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CLB Minutes 10/20/2004 R October 20, 2004 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE CONTRACTORS' LICENSING BOARD Naples, Florida October 20, 2004 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Contractors' Licensing Board, in and for the County of Collier having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Les Dickson William Lewis David Beswick Sydney Blum Michael Boyd Richard Joslin ALSO PRESENT: Thomas Bartoe, Licensing Compliance Officer Paul Balzano, Contractor Licensing Supervisor Robert Zachary, County Attorney Patrick Neale, Counsel to the Board 1 _.__.,_._~.~--_.. AGENDA COLLIER COUNTY CONTRACTORS' LICENSING BOARD DATE: OCTOBER 20,2004 TIME: 9:00 A.M. W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING (ADMINISTRATION BUILDING) COURTHOUSE COMPLEX ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THAT TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. I. ROLL CALL II. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS: III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: DATE: September 15, 2004 V. DISCUSSION: VI. NEW BUSINESS: Rory O'Neill - Request to reinstate his aluminum license and waive the Business & Law exam for his Residential Contractor's license. VII. OLD BUSINESS: Sidney J. Hubschman - Request to reinstate the county Swimming Pool Commercial license Without retesting. Alan Soares - Request to qualify a 2nd entity. VIII PUBLIC HEARINGS: Case #: 2004-04 - Debora Kucko vs Charles C. Willey D/B/A B & W Asphalt Paving & Seal coat IX. REPORTS: X. NEXT MEETING DATE: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 October 20, 2004 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Tom, you ready? MR. BAR TOE: I believe so. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. I'd like to call to order the meeting of the Collier County Contractors' Licensing Board for October 20th, 2004. Any person who decides to appeal a decision of this board will need a record of the proceedings pertaining thereto and, therefore, may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made which record includes that testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based. Roll call, starting to my right. MR. LEWIS: William Lewis. MR. BESWICK: David Beswick. MR. BLUM: Syd Blum. MR. BOYD: Michael Boyd. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Les Dickson. MR. JOSLIN: Richard Joslin. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Bartoe, good morning. Any additions or deletions? MR. BARTOE: Good morning. For the record, I'm Tom Bartow, Collier County licensing compliance officer, and I would like to welcome Mr. Michael Boyd to the board. And Mr. Chairman, you can explain to him later the great pay system. And I understand that it is on the Board of County Commissioners agenda next week, Tuesday, to appoint a new consumer to the board, and we'll be back to nine members. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Who did -- who did we lose? That's right. Okay, but-- MR. BAR TOE: Mr. Lloyd and -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Lloyd left. MR. BAR TOE: -- and Mr. Burrell. MR. BESWICK: Mike Burrell. 2 -'-'-'- October 20, 2004 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mike Burrell. MR. BARTOE: Additions or deletions, under old business, there will not be any. Mr. Hubschman advised me that he cannot make it today, and -- excuse me. He advised office staff, and office staff advised him if he wants to be on the November agenda to let them know by November 1. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. BAR TOE: The second gentleman, Mr. Soares, had some things on his application that he had to get squared away, so we'll postpone that. And under public hearings, we will postpone that public hearing. I believe I put a letter in your packet from Mr. Willey's attorney. Do you have that letter? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Uh-huh, yes, sir. MR. BARTOE: I want to discuss that letter later, or maybe we can just -- let's discuss it after I finish additions and deletions. We'll probably reschedule that hearing for January 19th, 2005. And under reports, I'd like to discuss the advisory committee's outstanding members service award program, which I just passed out some paperwork to you on that, and also discuss if we are also going to use Gainesville Independent Testing Services. And staff has no other additions or deletions. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Even though it's an entirely new agenda. I need a -- by the way, the pay is wonderful. It's just that the checks are somewhat slow. I haven't -- mine are 15 years late, but they tell me it's coming. I need a -- someone to approve the agenda as amended. MR. JOSLIN: So moved, Joslin. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Second? MR. BLUM: Second, Blum. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. LEWIS: Aye. 3 --_. -~---"~__""'.."_.",. October 20, 2004 MR. BESWICK: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Bartoe, let me do the minutes first. MR. BARTOE: Okay. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Also need approval of the minutes of the last meeting of September 15th. Motion, please, to approve. MR. JOSLIN: Move to approve -- I'll move to approve the minutes from the last meeting. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Second, please? MR. BESWICK: I'll second, Beswick. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. BESWICK: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Moving on to discussion. Let's talk about that letter. MR. BARTOE: In that letter, I believe Mr. Bryant's putting the cart before the horse, because near the end of the first paragraph, he says, I have not seen the prosecution packet to which I obj ect to this procedure prepared by your investigator and earlier provided to the Contractors' Licensing Board members. Which you have not received a packet, and he's had his packet for a week now. But he doesn't think that it's proper for the board to see a packet a week before the case. Mr. Neale or Mr. Zachary might want to comment on that later. MR. BLUM: I didn't know we were prosecutors either. I don't 4 -'"",^,. ~"'-"'--~~""'-""-"'" October 20, 2004 recall being called a prosecutor before. MR. NEALE: It probably is a bit strong of a statement, but, in effect, you are a quasijudicial body that is going to be deciding this, so -- and just -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any comment, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE: Yeah. In the past I think it's been our, the board's policy, to provide the respondents as much time as they feel they need to prepare an adequate case, and I think Mr. Bryant has a good point that he does, you know, under our rules of procedure here at this board and under the state rules of procedure, that we -- that this board follows, that the respondent is supposed to be given an opportunity to prepare a defense and provided adequate due process. So I think Mr. Bryant's well within the -- his -- it's reasonable for him to request a continuance to prepare for this. I would say probably a 30-day time period for him to get the __ subsequent to the time he receives the packet, to prepare is probably reasonable, because he needs the opportunity to interview witnesses, do his own investigation, if necessary. So that would be my __ CHAIRMAN DICKSON: The only thing I'm reading according to the report, is he's asking for December 15th, which is more than 60 days. MR. BAR TOE: That's the date his -- the respondent will be back in town, and that's the scheduled date for the December meeting. And I figured if he comes in town the same day, he probably won't want to meet that day. That's why I'm suggesting January 19th. MR. NEALE: I think that would be reasonable. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Is the infraction of such that it can wait that period of time? MR. BAR TOE: Yes, it can wait. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. BAR TOE: And Mr. Neale, I believe Mr. Bryant's main objection here is to the board having a packet to look at a week before 5 -- .-....."^-."..............-- ....-."""-,,.,...--.-- October 20, 2004 the meeting. MR. NEALE: It's difficult to tell from the actual letter. But I'm sure his primary focus is making sure that he has adequate time to be able to investigate the allegations made in the complaint. MR. BAR TOE: The procedure that was established quite a few years ago -- and we do not seem to have any problems with it -- is that we attempt to get notice to the respondent three weeks before the hearing and get the packet to the respondent one week before the hearing, same as we do to the board. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Which is fine, it always has been, and -- because 99.9 percent of the cases are handled by the individual. If someone feels they need an attorney, then -- and they want to pay for that, that's fine. MR. NEALE: And this board, I'm sure you remember, Mr. Dickson's been pretty liberal in granting continuances, if they do retain counsel to do full investigation. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. I don't have a problem with the continuance unless it's someone operating in a dangerous manner that would endanger the public, and then it's another issue. Okay, no problem. We do have the new business. Roy O'Neill, are you present? MR. O'NEILL: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: If you would come up to this podium, sir. I need for you to state your name, and then I'll have the reporter swear you In. MR. O'NEILL: My name is Roy O'Neill. (The speaker was duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Give us an overview of what you're doing and what you're requesting. MR. O'NEILL: Okay. I've been in -- moved to Collier County in 1969. I got introduced into the construction industry in 1971. I 6 October 20, 2004 went to work for Deltona. And as the county moved along over those years, I did a number of things. In 1981 I activated an aluminum construction license, which I've assumed I've maintained all this time. I've used it on and off over those years, mostly it was in inactive status for the last three years. Up until that point, it's been used constantly. After Hurricane Andrew hit, it took quite an impact on the aluminum industry. I recall at the time in 1992, we were getting about $2.50 a square foot for aluminum, and after everybody came down to start building all the cages that were lost, we ended up about $1.50 a square foot. So at that time I figured after 1 7 years, it might be time to start looking for something else to do besides aluminum construction. So I went back to my roots, which was in -- I have a background in architecture in college and drafting, so I went to work with Edickson (phonetic) Engineering and was an engineering designer for four years with them. At that point, my father-in-law had been running Federal Help Custom Homes. He started it in 1978 and has been running it since. After being with Edickson Engineering for three years -- and I'm not sure some of you know what kind of education you can get working in engineerings (sic) office when you're preparing all the plans, from proj ects, from multistory. I've got the largest under roof building on the Loos Brothers, Loos and Company, cable company. I designed that building. We did everything from residential to commercial, drawings, from site plans, right through from -- to foundations right on up to roof trusses . . englneenng. So after being with them for four years, my farther-in-Iaw's business, my wife had partnered up with him, and it started to become quite busy. They've opened a model home, and it's started to sell quite a bit. And pretty soon he asked for my assistance, so I came onboard with Federal Help Custom Homes about six years ago, six and a half, 7 .. '-~-"'-'-""'~-""'^-'--~~ October 20, 2004 actually seven years now. And after I came onboard I went and took my contractors' licensing test. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: At that time, was the business and law not required as part of the residential contractor? MR. O'NEILL: That -- if you had an existing license. My aluminum license had a one-hour business test in 1981. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. O'NEILL: And that was -- that was required. So when I went in to tell them I wanted to take my test for the contractors' license, they said, well, your existing license exempts you from the business portion. So you can go ahead and take your __ CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And that license was issued, right? MR. O'NEILL: No, that was -- I passed the test. And since my father-in-Iaw's license is current with the company, I was -- they held it, and I told them I would activate it as -- you know, as it became necessary . CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Let me interrupt at this point. MR. O'NEILL: Sure. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Neale, give us some guidelines. Can we exempt that test? MR. NEALE: Well, the board does have the ability and -- to waive a testing requirement when the applicant has -- can show adequate experience that would render the testing superfluous, and that is permitted under the ordinance. The issue, I think, here is that one of the things that's required under the -- under the ordinance is affidavits and other evidence showing a certain amount of experience. And, you know, the board needs to weigh those. And at this point you have the testimony of the applicant. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: The experience I was aware we could waive. I didn't know we could waive business and law, so that's why I 8 .....'---.,...,.-.. October 20, 2004 was asking. MR. NEALE: Well, you can waive testing requirements __ CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. NEALE: -- if it's deemed to be superfluous. MR. O'NEILL: Well, we haven't gotten to the crux of my case yet as to why I'm requesting that. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Let's get to it. MR. O'NEILL: I had put my license in the inactive status after I was -- after -- I guess it was 1999, and so I felt I wasn't going to have any current use for it, so I put it in inactive status, and I wanted it there to maintain my exemption for the requirement of the business testing, which is what the people at the desk told me to do. They said, if you maintain your license in inactive status to when you activate your contractors' license, then, you know, you're not required to take the business test, as long as your other license is in the inactive status, has not been cancelled. Well, I'm sure some of you gentlemen know, that a business like ours, you know, we do about $5 million a year. You get hundreds of bills a month, and at some point in the last three years, they said that I have not paid my annual fee to keep the license inactive. I have paid our -- the intangible taxes on the license, and so forth, to keep it going, even though I technically didn't have to do that. But anytime anything came through with my license in the office, I told my wife, just pay it. Until I get my builder's license, just pay it to maintain it, and I told her, you know, that's all we need to do. Well, I went into the licensing bureau in February of '03 and started the process to have my license activated with the corporation underneath my father-in-Iaw's as a secondary qualifier; him being the primary qualifier. So I went in there, they gave me the applications. I started the process. Being very busy that we are -- you know, I'm a one-horse operation down there on Marco, and since we did not have any 9 '--, -",..q,.-...--,._,.,,~..,... October 20, 2004 immediate need to get the license activated right away, I figured I would do it as I had time over the course of the year. Well, it's -- that was in '03. I made four or five trips up there since getting this form and that form and finding out that my original application had expired. And, fine, we'll do a new one. And it was three weeks ago when I came in with all the final paperwork and said, I'm ready to go ahead and send this through the state to get approval. They said, well, your aluminum license has been cancelled. I said, well, that's news to me. I said, nobody's mentioned that in the past year and a half, as I've been up here many times, and I've got all the paperwork and so forth. They said, well, that's the status of it now. And they said, because there was -- the inactive fees were not paid on it. And I said, well, I'm not aware of that. I've got check receipts that I haven't been able to draw up yet, I have my accountant pull up to show that we've paid over the last -- I have every check paid to the county over the last CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. O'NEILL: -- five years just to show that our intent was not to let that license get expired. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. O'NEILL: Or be put in expiration. So that's why I'm here today to request that my license be reactivated so that I can proceed with the process of having my contractors' license with the state applied for and accepted. Currently, I have scheduled a test to take the business test, and I'm also going to upgrade my license to a building contractors' license, so I've applied -- I've scheduled to have both those tests taken next month. I would prefer not to have to take the business test if I didn't have to, and that's why I'm here to see you gentlemen today. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Questions from the board? 10 -,_.,..._~ October 20, 2004 (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Oh, you're a quiet bunch this morning, huh? MR. BLUM: I'm trying to disseminate all this. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. They do send out -- they do send out an annual bill. It's a one-time bill though, correct? MR. BARTOE: To renew your license every September 30th. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Right. MR. O'NEILL: To keep it inactive? MR. BARTOE: I'm sorry? MR. O'NEILL: To keep it inactive, is that __ CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes. MR. O'NEILL: -- an annual bill? MR. BAR TOE: The correct word is dormant. MR. O'NEILL: Dormant. MR. BARTOE: Yes. And our records show that he was licensed in -- from '92 to '97, as Palm Coast Screen and Aluminum, and on the cancelled date in '97, he switched over to an individual, Rory M. O'Neill, and that license expired September 30th, '99, which means according to our printout, that there was no money sent in to keep it dormant. If he would have come in to get this residential license, having an active aluminum license, the staff wouldn't have questioned it at all. But way back in 1980 when he took the aluminum test, we only had a one-hour business and law included with it. MR. BLUM: Has the business law test changed substantially in 20 years? MR. BARTOE: It's a two-hour test now. MR. JOSLIN: I'm sure it has. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, it's substantially changed. MR. BLUM: So we're being asked to waive the business law portion for the aluminum license reinstatement because it got waived 11 _.. October 20, 2004 for the contractors' license that he hasn't got yet? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Right. MR. BLUM: Is that -- is that about it? MR. JOSLIN: So he can use the business and law to go and get the residential. MR. BLUM: Business law that was waived, to do this, to do that, okay. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. Ifwe reinstate the aluminum license, then the business and law is waived. If we don't reinstate the aluminum license, then he takes the test. MR. BARTOE: And the reason there's no application before you, I advised -- or someone advised Mr. O'Neill that there's, you know, no use submitting that until we come before the board and see what the board's pleasure is and whether you approve or don't approve. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, but at the same time, I'm sitting here looking at his test scores. He took each test one time. You guys have seen what some of these test scores look like and how many times they take them. MR. JOSLIN: Yeah. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: He got a 90 on the aluminum and an 85 on the residential the first time he took them. So obviously it's an intelligent man. Maybe you may not like what I'm going to say here, but you're not diligent if you started in 2003, and maybe some bills got past. But as far as your level of intelligence, you're obviously, you know, a capable individual. MR. NEALE: If I may? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes. MR. NEALE: There's some sections to the ordinance that are pretty much on point here, and the board needs to consider them. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. 12 ""--- October 20, 2004 MR. NEALE: Under dormant license, it's -- if a request is to activate a dormant certificate and it's been more than three years since testing, the retesting requirement can be waived by staff if the applicant proves that he or she has been active in the trade in another jurisdiction or has been active as an inspector/investigator in the trade, or for other valid reasons which would render such testing superfluous. The staff has decided not to do that and refer it to this board. When it's referred to this board, a different section of the ordinance kicks in, which is 22-184. And this specifically says, when an application is referred to the board, the board shall take testimony from the applicant and shall consider other relevant evidence regarding whether the application meets the requirements in this division. Upon evidence presented by the applicant and the contractor licensing supervisor, the Contractors' Licensing Board shall determine whether the applicant is qualified or unqualified for the trade in which the application has been made. Findings of fact and conclusions of law requiring approval or denial of the application shall be made by the board. They may consider the applicant's relevant recent experience in this specific trade, and based upon such experience, may waive testing requirements if convinced that the applicant is qualified by experience whereby such competency testing would be superfluous. MR. BALZANO: Mr. Chairman? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes, sir. MR. BALZANO: The reason -- I'm Paul Balzano, contractor licensing supervisor. The reason I did not make that decision, because his license was not dormant, it was cancelled. So I figured it was up to you to make that decision, where I could not. If it had been on a dormant status, we would have approved it right then and there. But it shows cancelled 13 "''"-'-""' . "-_.,,--~ "-"'~_..".__.-.."."... October 20, 2004 where he hadn't kept it up for four years. MR. NEALE: Yeah. And Mr. Balzano brings up a good point. In that same section, or earlier in this section that I have read about a dormant license, it says, any individual who fails to renew his or her certificate of competency prior to December 31 of the year following its expiration shall automatically have a certificate of competency that is null and void. To acquire a valid certificate from the county, the individual must pay the then applicable full application fee in accordance with the schedules of fee and charges adopted by regulation. If as of the date of the receipt of -- by the county of the new application three years have passed since the date of the application __ since the date of the most recent examination, that individual must then pass all applicable testing requirements, and then the waiver provision kicks in, so -- MR. BLUM: The aluminum license is the one he wants to reinstate, and he hasn't been in the aluminum trade in how long? MR. O'NEILL: Well, I haven't built a screen enclosure since 1999, but I -- on my homes, we build them all the time, and I design them and so forth, but go ahead. I understand. MR. BLUM: I'm just trying to go with what Mr. Neale has said here, that if you haven't been in the trade that you're looking to reinstate it in. You have not had an ongoing aluminum construction, aluminum installation job business? MR. O'NEILL: That's correct. MR. BLUM: Okay. MR. O'NEILL: But to be a homebuilder means that you encompass all those trades. MR. BLUM: No, I understand. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any other questions? MR. BOYD: Aren't there tests to become a state building 14 -..". "'_.._..,-_._-.-.._"..._.....~.._" October 20, 2004 contractor? MR. O'NEILL: Yes, I've passed that. MR. BOYD: You're going to have to take the test to do that? MR. O'NEILL: No. He already has the score on that. MR. BOYD: Is that license current? MR. O'NEILL: Oh, I'm sorry. You said, building contractor? MR. BOYD: Yes. You saying that you're going to become a state building contractor? MR. O'NEILL: I'm going to upgrade my license -- I currently __ MR. BOYD: There's testing involved in that. MR. O'NEILL: That's correct. I currently have a date to take that test in November. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: But if you have the residential contractor license in place, you won't have to take the business and law; is that correct? MR. O'NEILL: If I have a -- my aluminum license was in state, then I would not -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: That's not my question. MR. O'NEILL: I'm sorry. What's your question? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm two steps ahead of you. MR. O'NEILL: Okay. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So if we reinstate the aluminum license, then your residential contractor license will be reinstated? MR. O'NEILL: It will be sent to the state for application. That's what -- it has not been denied. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. And then if you upgrade it to the general contractor license -- MR. O'NEILL: A builder contractor. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- a building contractor, and you have a residential contractor license in place -_ MR. O'NEILL: Right. Then I'm exempt. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- then you'll be exempt from the 15 ".-~.-.. October 20,2004 business and law for that test? MR. O'NEILL: That's correct, or for any future tests as long as you have -- are maintaining a business in this county. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Right. MR. JOSLIN: So one step leads to a lot of things. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. One step will lead to three different -- two different things, three different things. MR. O'NEILL: At least. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Right. MR. JOSLIN: Is that -- I'm sorry. Is there any room for him to go under the grandfather stage, too, where he can grandfather that residential contracting license into a state certified residential license also? MR. NEALE: I'd have to research that. I'm not sure. He may be able to. MR. JOSLIN: To move it up the ladder. MR. NEALE: I'd have to look at that. I'm not sure about that. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Questions? MR. BESWICK: Have there been any complaints or citations? MR. BAR TOE: Not to my knowledge. MR. BALZANO: No. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Bill? Comment? MR. LEWIS: I'm ready to make a motion. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any other questions? (No response.) MR. O'NEILL: Anybody have any questions for my father-in-law as to my capability for running his company? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, no. MR. O'NEILL: Okay. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Could I have a motion? MR. LEWIS: I'd like to make a motion, please. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. 16 --..- ...."--~'".,."'''' -. <>--'-"- October 20, 2004 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman, I'd move to deny request for reinstatement, several reasons, but I'll just make that motion and leave it on the floor. MR. BLUM: I'll second. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Discussion? MR. JOSLIN: I just think he missed too many times over the past five years, four years, with the knowledge and all the upgrades and all the changes in the codes, requirements, and the testing to just let this aluminum license just carry on, which could put a lot of power in man's hands. And I think ifhe signed up to take the test now, he should continue and go ahead and take the test. MR. LEWIS: I couldn't have said it better. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, and up until the last few moments, I was thinking that taking the business and law test would be somewhat juvenile punishment for a man who's been in the business for as long as he has and obviously knows what he's doing. But all the added implications and maybe grandfathering have me concerned. It's a two-hour test that he's not going to have any trouble taking, so it's like, go take it. MR. LEWIS: Agreed. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any other discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. I have a motion, I have a second. All those in favor? MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. BESWICK: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? 17 '-~~-'"_.....-,._". .,_....__._"-~- October 20, 2004 (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go take the test. MR. O'NEILL: Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciated your time. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You'll pass that the first time with no trouble. No more new business. All old business is gone. Public hearings are gone. MR. O'NEILL: One question? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes, sir. MR. O'NEILL: For me to get my aluminum license reenacted, if I ever need it, I have to go take the aluminum test and everything all over again? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I don't know. MR. BAR TOE: He can do aluminum work with residential or building. MR. O'NEILL: Thank you, that's right. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, gentlemen. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Bye, Tom. I didn't recognize you. MR. JOSLIN: Nice meeting you, Jack. See you again. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Take care. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Bartoe, under reports, the stage is yours, advisory award. MR. BAR TOE: Monday I attended a training session for advisory committee staff liaison, and the packet I just handed you is a new program that the county's starting with a cover letter from the Board of County Commissioner's chairman, Donna Fiala, and an executive summary with it, a resolution, and a nomination form, that the objective of the program is to recognize significant contributions to the organization and/or community by members of the many advisory boards and committees formed to assist the Board of County Commissioners in carrying out their elected duties. All committee members who have completed at least one year of 18 '-_.... October 20, 2004 volunteer service on an advisory committee are eligible for a nomination. And the form is more or less self-explanatory, and we do not have to -- it's not mandatory someone be nominated, but anytime any member of the board wants to nominate another member of this board for that award, they can do so. Also, the county has implemented an appreciation type program for years service. I believe Mr. Joslin advised me he's invited to a November meeting for a -- some type of an award for serving on the board, and I think it's for a years service. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I've been invited to the same one. MR. BAR TOE: Have you been invited? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Uh-huh. MR. BAR TOE: I asked at the meeting Monday about total years service, if a person serves three or six years on the board and then was off for a number of years and then reappointed and only had two years on now, if all years would count, and I was advised, no, just present terms. So this is something for the board to think about. MR. BLUM: Is this something that the board is actually -- or our committee -- I guess I'm directing this to Les as well as anybody else. Can we meet as a committee to decide on doing this independently of this forum? Is this something that can be done other than public forum, come up with a nominee? MR. BAR TOE: Correct. This can be done, you, as individual, just filling it out and submitting it. I believe it has to be signed by -- it has to be signed by the nominator, which would be you if you want to nominate someone, and the chairman, Mr. Dickson, and staff liaison, which would be myself. MR. NEALE: And now, however, you can't meet together outside of a publicly noticed meeting __ MR. BLUM: That's what I was asking. MR. NEALE: -- to make that decision. MR. BLUM: But just -- it's still sunshine? 19 ---"'--..~,-, October 20, 2004 MR. NEALE: Yeah, it's still sunshine. MR. BLUM: That's what I was asking. Okay. MR. BARTOE: And I believe it explains in here, if you submit a name and they do not get selected one month, that name stays in the pool for five more months. That nomination is good for a six-month period. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Who came up with this, what commissioner? MR. BARTOE: Board of County Commissioners, I believe. There's a resolution in here. MR. BLUM: They recognize some people don't want to work. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, yeah, I mean, it's -_ MR. BLUM: It's pretty nice. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I mean, of course, the pay's not good, but I've served under six different chairmen, I think, in 14 years, and I watch these guys that have been on the board -- the chairman leaves and it's his last meeting and everyone says, okay, see you around, and he's served 10, 15 years. And not that anyone needs anything, but it's kind of like hey, at least thank you. I remember case in point, Bill Jones with Tamiami Builders. Bill was on this board and served wonderfully. Gary Hayes. MR. NEALE: Yeah, Gary Hayes is the one I was thinking of. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And just walk away, okay, you're finished. MR. NEALE: Well, you do get your certificate in the mail. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I've never even -- MR. BESWICK: If you could unfold it. MR. BLUM: Better late than never. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: The check is in the mail. So, yeah, I think it's -- I think it's wonderful, and I applaud the board for doing it, I applaud the board member who came up with the idea, because it is nice to say "thank you" for people. I think it's a great thing. 20 ."---"'-- October 20, 2004 So I don't know what this November meeting is about. I think you and I are going to get an award already, is the way it was explained to me. MR. JOSLIN: How did it start? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Don't know. I asked them if it was a paid vacation or, you know, whether they're gift certificates or what, and they just laughed. But, no, I would definitely go. So it's something we can keep in mind, especially as we have people leaving this board, like we did in June. I wasn't even aware that we had two people coming off the board in June. And we didn't have a June meeting, so in May I didn't even recognize that they weren't going to be here anymore, which I felt guilty for. MR. JOSLIN: Who puts this packet together? I mean, who-- like the packets that we receive, who types this out, puts everything together? Does staff do that or do the attorneys do that? MR. BAR TOE: Do what? MR. JOSLIN: How do we -- how do we come up with this packet that we get every month? MR. BAR TOE: Mostly staff. MR. JOSLIN: Staff does? MR. BAR TOE: Office staff and myself. MR. JOSLIN: In the past we used to get a little typewritten letter with everyone's name on the board, telephone numbers, and __ MR. BAR TOE: Well, we'll be updating -- we'll be updating the board members list. MR. JOSLIN: Good. With the expiration dates as far as when they leave or when their term expires and all that good stuff so we'll be able to keep ahead. MR. BAR TOE: Right. And-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I still get that. MR. BAR TOE: Bear with us also. Office staff is going to be shorthanded for approximately 10 or 12 weeks. Maggie broke her 21 "·"···<'~---_.._".__~~c October 20, 2004 ankle and is waiting for swelling to go down to operate. They were going to operate this Monday, but they're going to wait another week now. The swelling has not gone down. So our office staff will be shorthanded for a while. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Wow. Yeah, if we could get that updated list. I have the last one that we had with all the expirations and telephone numbers. It is nice to have. Mr. Bartoe, it's still your stage. Let's talk about testing. MR. BAR TOE: Excuse me a minute. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes, sir. MR. BALZANO: Mr. Chairman, this gentleman, Mr. Weeks, I guess he was before the board prior, and he was told to come back with a new credit report, which he has. We don't have him on the agenda. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, we've totally wiped our agenda out, so let's do it. You all agree? MR. BESWICK: Absolutely. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I do remember Mr. Weeks being here. Mr. Weeks, will you come forward to the podium. I need for you to state your name and have you sworn in. MR. WEEKS: My name's Robert Weeks. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. (The speaker was duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Tell us when you were here and what happened and what the license is and all of that. MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir. It's for installing cabinets and trim, and my credit was bad. And I went and filed a bankruptcy and all that stuff, got the letter from my attorney that -- as far as everything's been taken care of, as far as the credit. He had wrote a letter. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: How long ago were you here? MR. WEEKS: I'm not really sure. Probably about six months or so, five months? 22 October 20, 2004 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Has it been that long? MR. WEEKS: It's been a while. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I know you're searching, Mr. Neale. MR. NEALE: Yeah, I'm looking. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. It's wonderful. He has all the minutes in there of everything that went on. He'll find it here in a minute. And what did we ask you to do? MR. WEEKS: I think come back in six months, I think it was. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: With what? MR. WEEKS: I guess with a better credit rating. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Let me pass this down that way . You guys are good at those credit reports. I have a letter here, while Mr. Neale's looking, from a Jonathan Tolentino, attorney at law, addressed to this board -- well, the commissioners. Reference Robert Weeks, a request that Robert H. Weeks, the III, and -- I represent him in the bankruptcy case da-da-da-da-da, which was filed on 8/12/04. Mr. Weeks has attended the meeting of creditors in the case which was conducted 9/20/04. So my experience preparing Mr. Weeks' bankruptcy petition tells me that he is an honest -- that he is honest and forthcoming when given an opportunity. I believe he will be an asset to the county. Mr. Weeks should receive his discharge after 11/22/04. My understanding is that Mr. Weeks has formed a corporation titled Three Generation Construction -- Third Generation Construction, Inc. The corporation provides skilled labor. It does not require an inventory. This should not require credit. Additionally, it is my understanding that Mr. Weeks has produced the relevant liability insurance that's required. Thank you for your consideration. You got to it yet, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE : Yeah. He was here on March 17th. At that meeting -- at the time -- and I've just got the very brief notes here __ 23 -'--~--' ·>.__..·.·'.__...M,,__.__~,....,....._._._,_. October 20, 2004 that he did have a bad credit report. He had advised the board he was planning to file bankruptcy. And his license was disapproved with a request to come back to the board once he filed the bankruptcy because of the criteria set in the Florida Administrative Code that a bankruptcy can't really be considered as part of a bad credit report. So he was requested to come back. He's done what the board requested, and actually done it in exactly the amount of time that the board requested, so -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: But I do remember there was special circumstances which were causing this bankruptcy; is that not correct? MR. NEALE: Yeah. MR. WEEKS : Yeah. I had a failed business in South Carolina. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: South Carolina? MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Not in Florida? MR. WEEKS: No, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And that was how long ago? MR. WEEKS: About three and a half years now. I've been living here about three years. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And you've been working for someone else? MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir. I've been using other folks' license to basically still do what I do, but they back me with their license and whatever. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I got ya. MR. WEEKS: And they just pay me through, you know, working for them, piecework type situation. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Lewis, have you gone -- have you guys gone through that credit report? MR. LEWIS: Yes, sir. And it's basically the same thing that we saw before, but everything's now been charged off to bankruptcy, 24 --".,. ..... ..~."._-,.,.."..- ..--. -_.._...._-~-- October 20, 2004 which, as Mr. Neale said, we can't consider in our decision, which is fine. I think we still need to have a packet presented to us. I'd like to be refreshed with what I think is in my memory, but I'd like to have it in front of me. MR. NEALE: Yeah. I think it's appropriate that either the previous packet or an undated packet should be provided to the board that you do have adequate information to make the decision on. I think it would be to the benefit of the applicant and to the board both. MR. LEWIS : Yeah, with insurances and everything in place that we would know that everything's aboveboard and-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Are you going to have employees? MR. WEEKS: No, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Just you? MR. WEEKS: Just me, yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So all you need is liability. MR. WEEKS: I've got a million-dollar policy. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And your exemption form. MR. WEEKS: I've got exemption, I've incorporated. I've got totally everything -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I saw the incorporation. MR. WEEKS: Everything but the credit deal is all that's holding me up. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Staff comments? MR. BARTOE: No comment. What's the board's pleasure? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Is there an urgency for you? MR. WEEKS: Well, I've got a lot people of depending on me. I've got some pretty good-sized projects coming up, and they're kind of pressuring me where they can sign contracts and put me on as the installer. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: How does the board feel about making a decision contingent upon him presenting those documents to 25 -,-~~~ October 20, 2004 staff? MR. BLUM: Okay with you, Mr. Lewis? MR. JOSLIN: I don't think I have a problem with that as long as everything was in -- as long as staff said everything is in line. MR. LEWIS: As long as we do that like within 30 days. MR. JOSLIN: Right. MR. LEWIS: And that he's under a probation period. MR. JOSLIN: How soon could this happen, as far as him bringing paperwork to staff? MR. WEEKS: What do I need? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Insurance, everything. MR. WEEKS: I got it out in my van. I can run and go get it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. It's something you would do tomorrow when staff is back in the office. MR. BAR TOE: We may already have it in his packet. I-- MR. WEEKS: Everything is there. Everything was done. Like I said, the credit thing was all that's holding me up. I've got all applications filled out, references, you know, everything. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I mean, my attitude is, if we're going to do it, why postpone it 30 days when we have competent staff, and if we're not going to do it, then let's decide that. MR. JOSLIN: Right. MR. BLUM: I'll make a motion we accept the man's application based on no negative information coming back from staff within 30 days. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And-- MR. BAR TOE: And all proper paperwork being in order. MR. BLUM: Exactly. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Recommend and agreed? Okay. Second? MR. JOSLIN: Second the motion. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion. Bill, you okay with that? 26 "'H"m__"_.,_.~,., ,_.,..~._, '" . --..._,~,"_.~ October 20, 2004 MR. LEWIS: (Nods head.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. BESWICK: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: It's a good day for you. MR. WEEKS: I sure do appreciate it. MR. BARTOE: Mr. Weeks, it would probably be best if you come in the office, if possible -- MR. WEEKS: Sure. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- tomorrow morning around eight o'clock and -- because I'll be there at that time to be able to explain everything to office staff. MR. WEEKS: Okay. I sure do appreciate it. MR. BARTOE: And bring this newest paperwork that you presented here today also. MR. WEEKS: Okay. MR. BARTOE: And we'll see -- make sure we have everything in order, and hopefully we can get you licensed tomorrow. MR. WEEKS: Okay. I sure do appreciate it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Don't get there at 8:30. I mean, be sitting outside that door at 7:45 -- MR. WEEKS: Yeah. They told me it was a-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- because every one of those guys are gone by 8:30, okay? MR. WEEKS: I'll be there. I get up real early. MR. LEWIS: Mr. Weeks, before you go. Just a friendly reminder, our compliance officers are very good at what they do. Do not have employees on your job -- 27 _..-~ -"'","'""~-""'-"'-"' -"-'-'-.. "....."",,"""" October 20, 2004 MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir-- MR. LEWIS: -- unless you have the proper insurances. MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir. MR. LEWIS: Thank you. Good luck. MR. WEEKS: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Mr. Bartoe, let's go to testing. MR. BARTOE: I was -- Mr. Bowermeister from Gainesville __ Gainesville Independent Testing Services got me names of references from different counties to see if we could get letters from them, and I've only been able to get one, which I provided you this morning. Citrus County did advise me they just started using his company. They have no complaints. But due to the short amount of time they've been using him, she did not want to write me a letter. Hernando County promised me three different times to send me a letter, and I still do not have it. And the only letter we do have seems to be that they like this company. And I like the idea that, as they stated, and we have experienced, Experior has eliminated a large portion of the exams, and they go on to say, while Gainesville has made all the exams needed, even those that aren't very popular. And as we stated before, according to our ordinance, we are to use Experior or any other company that's approved by this board. And I think it's an overall consensus of staff that we would like to see the board approve this and give the people taking the test a choice of companies to use. And if we have a bad experience with the company, we can come back before the board. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Two questions for you. One, do they offer bilingual? MR. BARTOE: Yes. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. And just Spanish, right? MR. BARTOE: I'm sorry? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Just Spanish? MR. BARTOE: Can't answer that. 28 October 20, 2004 MR. BLUM: No. We asked that, I believe, and they do have multilingual available, but they need to know what it is and when you want it. They've got people on staff for German, French, other languages as well. They can prepare them in other languages. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I will never forget that man from Poland. Two years learning the language so he could take the test. MR. BLUM: Oh, yeah. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I mean, God love him. We were so thrilled to approve that license. MR. BLUM: They didn't mention Polish, by the way, as one of the languages. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. And then the other thing is, did you ever, in all of your attempts, get a response or a return call from Experior? MR. BAR TOE: No, I didn't. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Unbelievable. MR. BALZANO: Neither did I. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. So we can approve them and leave them on there or we can make them the sole testing, but your recommendation is to add them? MR. NEALE: Yeah. MR. BAR TOE: Staff would recommend both. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. NEALE: The board -- you could not eliminate Experior without having the ordinance revised by the Board of County Commissioners, because it's actually in the ordinance. But this board can add on top of Experior, so that's really the issue. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. How does the board feel? MR. BARTOE: As can you see, Broward uses two, and I believe it will take a while to get everything set up with this company when __ when and if they are approved. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So our motion would be, Mr. Neale, 29 -~._........~.,,"._---_..__..._. '..-'-'-",-~--"_. _....,-~._-_....... October 20, 2004 just to approve Gainesville testing as an additional testing facilitator for Collier County? MR. NEALE: Right, pursuant to Collier County ordinance. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. BESWICK: I'll make that motion, Mr. Chairman, we approve Gainesville Independent Testing, LLC, as an alternative testing agent for Collier County. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Second? MR. JOSLIN: I'll second the motion. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Is that motion in order, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE: Uh-huh. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. BESWICK: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN FIALA: Unanimous approval. Any other business to come before this board? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any discussions, old business? MR. NEALE: The only piece that -- I have one piece of old business or new business or whatever, is the county has just seen fit to renew my contract for another year, so you might be looking at me until November of2005 at least. MR. BLUM: How many trips to Russia this year? MR. NEALE: I always manage to make it back for these. 30 o..,~~_,.___.__., _._,. ,..........__.... '.'m...."..~."._,__,_ v__'____"_ October 20, 2004 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, Mr. Neale, I'll say this, is that was discussed among the staff and the board, you know, how the board felt, and I heard nothing but 100 percent positive comments __ MR. NEALE: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- that if you would accept it back, we wanted you to stay. MR. NEALE: I appreciate that. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So it's -- you do a wonderful job for us. MR. NEALE: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Especially when we can sit here and you pull back minutes and everything. You have kept us clean how many years now? MR. NEALE: I think six or seven, something like that. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: It's been a wonderful relationship. Just to touch base only, it doesn't affect us but maybe it does. I attended some meetings up in Orlando last week regarding all of the hurricanes. There's some movements within the state which may affect us as far as licensing. Just so you have an overall perspective. There aren't enough contractors in the State of Florida to rebuild all of the damage within the next two years. It will take two years to do it. That's obviously unsatisfactory, especially in my trade, roofing, which is a major issue. Most of the roofing contractors in the State of Florida right now are backlogged well over a year. GCs, take care of your roofers. Materials is an absolute nightmare. All suppliers statewide have delays. I can't even dry in roofs because I can't get materials. Concrete tile's out six months. So the discussions were made, what can we do to alleviate the problem? And as a group, and several of the groups came up with the recommendation, to allow licensed Florida contractors to subcontract to people from out of state, work under the umbrella of the licensed 31 ~'_._."'--._-.~"".._~-_..,... .,. October 20, 2004 contractor, which right now, you know, it's illegal to subcontract to someone who doesn't hold a Florida license. But that's the only possible way to bring enough people into this state to repair all of the damage. At least using that method, which the recommendation to allow unlicensed contractors into the state, that was immediately nixed by everyone. If you look at Governor Bush's executive order, which I have with me, he did allow it for a 90-day period up to December 15th if they posted a $100,000 bond, and it was left up to county discretion. We have found no county that has allowed that, because the problem is, is they don't want the citizens dealing with, if there's a problem a year or two from now, who do they call because that company's gone back to Texas or whatever. So we asked for Governor Bush to waive and allow us to subcontract to out-of-state contractors. Then two and three years from now and there's a problem, at least you have a licensed contractor in the State of Florida that will take care of those people or come before these boards. So right now, there's -- for 30 days we haven't been able to get a response out of Governor Bush's office. The lieutenant governor is in favor of it, but we don't know where Governor Bush stands. Do you see any problem with that? MR. BALZANO: The only problem that we have, we don't -- Collier County doesn't have a problem. We didn't have any damage, by the grace of God, through all these storms. MR. LEWIS: Amen. MR. BALZANO: And I have received many calls as the supervisor from out-of-state contractors that want to work in Naples. And I told them, if you want to work in Florida, go to Charlotte County or Lee County or Orlando where they need you. We don't need you in Collier County. And I believe Mr. Schmitt has taken that same stance, that they're 32 October 20, 2004 needed elsewhere. They're not needed in this county . We didn't have a state of emergency, and we don't have a problem. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. I've been all through the state and looked at the damage, and it's so widespread it's unbelievable. The other thing we want to do away with is wind zones. It's nonsense that there's a wind zone here and a different one there. If it's 140 mile an hour hurricane, it was 140 mile an hour hurricane in Orlando and Lake Whales, which if you go up there, you can see where the two of them crossed and made an X. But, yeah, it's devastating. So -- and I don't have any answer for the people, and that's what everyone's trying to come up with. Because right now those tarps are the biggest nightmare we're dealing with. Do you know -- well, I shouldn't say that. We're on -- tarps are a nightmare. Worst thing that could have happened, in my opinion. But any other new business? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I need a motion. MR. JOSLIN: Motion to adjourn. MR. BESWICK: Second. MR. BAR TOE: I would like to discuss something first, real short. This board is only required to meet four times a year, and as most of you know, you've probably been averaging 10 times a year. And the board has always liked to take a day off usually November or December. And if you would want to do that, staff would like to know in advance so that we don't schedule things. And staff is suggesting, if it's the board's pleasure, to not schedule a December meeting, which would be the 15th. MR. JOSLIN: Right. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Comments? Any problem? MR. LEWIS: No problems. 33 _.._."'....,~."."""',.__..,---,,....-...._-"~.,,- October 20, 2004 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We don't need a motion on that, do we? MR. NEALE: Nope. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Just take extended -- next meeting is November 17th, which is 10 days before Thanksgiving, so that works out fine. That would be fine with us, Mr. Bartoe. MR. BARTOE: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. I have a motion and a second to adjourn. All those in favor? MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. BESWICK: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Would you turn that thing off? ***** There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 9:59 a.m. CONTRACTORS' LICENSING BOARD LES DICKSON, Chairman 34 ._,_,..~._.,."._ _",_e "--·-··_'_··_'''''_·_'__·__e~~ < .-'.'""~"_"'~"~'_'~__~_'_'_'''''''>'_~'_'''_'_'''~'__...