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Fire Service Steering Committee Minutes 02/12/1990 February 12, 1990 Minutes of the Fire Services Steering Committee Meeting held at Port of the Islands at 7:30PM on 1-21-90 hosted by Ochopee Fire Control District. The attendees were the following: Walter Kissel, Comm. NNFD Jim Jones, Chief, NNFD Charles McDonald, Chief MIFD William McGrath, Asst. Chief MIFD Cindy McQuirk, MIFD Lenny Moore, Comm. MIFD Wayne Martin, Chief ENFD Greg Speers, Comm. ENFD Tom Cannon, Comm. ENFD Don Peterson, Asst. Chief GGFD Bob Siebold, Chief BCIFD Nancy Hughes, Comm. BCIFD Vince Doerr, Chief OFCD Jay Craven, Advisory Board Member, OFCD Bill Isaacs, advisory Board Member, OFCD Alley Poyner, Advisory Board Member, OFCD Linda Swisher, Secretary, OFCD Chairman Tom Cannon Called the Meeting to order at 7:50PM he asked if everyone had a copy of the minutes of the last meeting then wanted to thank the Marco FD for hosting the meeting last month and wanted to know if there needed to be any corrections or additions to the minutes, none were made. Tom Cannon reviewed some correspondence that he had received and also passed out hand outs in the way of a letter from the office of the Attorney General, a Fire Service Shared activities packet and a Fire Service Steering Committee Areas of Cooperative Endeavors Packet. Tom Cannon stated that he wrote to Ken Pineau's office in regards to hazardous waste and has received a reply back ,_.referring to a copy of the letter he handed out. He also referred to a letter fan Neil Dorrill stating that due to the Consolidation Committee which is presently meeting the County is not willing to adopt a County wide impact fee at this time. Also the County is in litigation over the collections of impact fees to Golden Gate. Tom Cannon proposed that the Steering Committee respond back to the County that what does it matter that consolidation is being discussed it should not have any bearing on County wide impact fees. He then stated that they could respond=.as=a group or hold a special election,-they are looking at $80,000.00 to hold a special election which we have already requested. Chief McDonald raised the question as to who would be collecting the impact fees, Chief Doerr speculated that possibly the tax collectors office possibly would collect them. However according to Comm. Speers the fees would be collected at the Fire Stations. PAGE 1 Tom Cannon stated that there was litigation at this time with the Golden Gate Fire Dept. in that the County is collecting their impact fees for them at this time. Golden Gate Fire Dept. was collecting their own impact fees but was asked by the County to have them paid to them and they charged a fee for collecting the impact fees. The County charged Golden Gate 1% per tansaction (that is for each fee collected) . Chief McDonald made reference to his economic impact statement that all the Depart- ments had to file, 3% to 5% was mentioned in the statement sent to the state. The statement was compiled to show how the impact fees would be collected however the percentages according to Chief McDonald were not binding. Tom Cannon feels it would be alot easier if the County would adopt County wide impact fees instead of bringing it to a referendum vote. Tom Cannon also stated he spoke to a reporter from the Naples Star and told her that one of the things the County is trying to say is that it is illegal to adopt an impact fee for another government agency. However that is not true because it has been done in Lee County so the County is not using that agrguement any more. The County has also considered adopting another tax, however he contends that impact fees have never been classified as a tax they are basically a fee. Chief Siebold feels that we are costing the established taxpayer right now more money by not having impact fees becaue they have to pay them up front. Chief McDonald stated that the Committee was :asked to petition the County that they were within their legal rights to adopt impact fees for Collier County by resolution. But feels that the County does not want to do that. Tom Cannon stated a few of the Commissioners that he conversed with thought it was a good idea to adopt a County wide impact fee until they went to the County Manager and he presumes they were told then something else. A further comment was made to the fact that he would continue to persue the abovementioned issue if not there is a 4-10-90 schedule for a mail in ballot. Chief Jones proposed that in reference to the 4-10-90 deadline on the mail in ballot, this being the later part of January that a commitment needs to be made to either go with it or recind or 4-10-90 will be . past us as far as Mary Morgan is concerned that is my understanding. He feels that they ought to request the County Commission put it on the agenda for us. Comm. Kissel's understanding is that they have to write a letter to the Collier County Attorney or Commissioners to request for the referendum to be approved for the impact fee for new construction. We have to do this so that Mary Morgan can set up because she has already made the commitment to the printer for the write in ballot. Tom Cannon then referred to a letter that East Naples Fire Dept. sent to the Attorney General's Office requesting an opinion on what the County is trying to do in refer- ence to inspections. Basically the letter is saying that they want both parties in- volved to petition the Attorney's General's Office so that they are not getting caught in the middle. Tom Cannon questioned Chief Martin whether they should ask the County to go in on this issue. Chief Martin in answer to Mr. Cannon replied that at the last months meeting the chiefs were directed by this Steering Committee to have a committee look into the issue of a single code interpreter. He set up the committee meeting and the County chose not to participate at that time. At the direction of the committee he as the Chairman contacted Ron McLemore to find out why they would not participate in it. He was told that they are directed by the Board of County Commissioners, they did not recognize the group and therefore would not participate. PAGE 2 (Continued from page 2) Mr. *McLemore stated that he would meet as one agency to another so last week he invited Chief Martin, Jay Reardon, the Manager of Development Services, Kenny Rogers and myself to meet. Chief Martin feels that the County has not changed their minds but that the Fire Services are in a position to have a lot of input based on their concerns because he thinks they know they are in trouble with out us, in other words they are the ones who say they will take us to court. They are aware that we have submitted this to the Attorney Gaeral, originally they did not want to do that based on "they did not want to hear what they were gonna have to hear." And he feels that the Steering Committee was of the opinion let's hear what the Attorney General has to say about it. At the direction of this group He recommended they move ahead and ask the County to partici- pate in this petition to get an answer to it. No matter which way it goes he feels it certainly is going to help their case or the Countys and settle the issue. Though they might end up in court if they have the Attorney General in favor of them at least they know who to write but yet are willing to do somethings with the County on new construction. He recommends to the Steering Group that they contact Mr. McLemore him to have the County Attorney also participate in this. Chief Siebold also replied to Tom Cannon's question by stating the Attorney General wants a response from both parties involved if the County does not want to participate, and he believes the incolusion of the County is possibly a courtesy. He feels they should just contact the Attorney General's Office again telling them they have tried to include the County but they turned them down and that they still need an opinion. Chief McDonald feels the County has declared us persona non grata, because the County has come flat out and said that they do not recognize any other group except for the citizens group studying consolidation which is to him a clear flag raised as far as they are concerned we have been abolished and the County is the only service available. Just like with reviewing these letters it is as if they do not exist. He feels they do not want us to exist therefore by ignoring them they do not exist. So he has a feeling that if they addressed the Attorney general over this matter they are going to have the same type of thing. Chief Siebold was in agreeance as well, as to the treatment by the County in reference to the Fire Departments. Chief McDonald commented that he bases his personal feelings as such are because JayRbardowihmrnot been at the meetings lately. He was their only liason between them and the County and he was at least there to explain some of the positions of the County. He Stated that Jay Reardon took a lot of heat but that is his job. Chief Doerr stated Mr. Reardon was away for two weeks for his Air Force Reserve Training that is why he did not attend tonight and that he has only missed two meetings. Tom Cannon proposed that the Fire Services make a presentation to the Consolidation Study Group. He has already infcc ally asked Chuck Mohlke the Chairman for that group permission to do this. He wants to educate the Study Group as to what is presently happening in this system for example automatic aid, mutual aid and move up. To illustrate that there is not a problem that exist today that is not being handled with- in the Fire Services. He wants to put forth an hour and a half presentation with all the Fire Services included. He asked for feedback from the Steering Committee in reference to this he wants to end the consolidation question immediately. PAGE 3 Chief Jones - "What kind of response did you get from Chuck Mohlke?" Tom Cannon - "He was all for it. Chuck's words were I think this is a very good idea it should have been done a long time ago." Jay Craven stated that they might be acting too slow. Tom Cannon stated that they might be acting too slowly but that they are only in meeting number 6 and that the Study Group is in meeting 32 or 33. His opinion of the Consolidation Group is they have looked at every issue but what the issues are. The have not talked about consolidation in 33 meetings. What he wants to do is go in there and show them how the system is working. Jay Craven back tracked a little by mentioning that at one of the Ochopee Fire Control District Advisory Board Meetings Jay Rerdon mentioned to him that he was quite interested in the work of this committee. "Now I grant that could go either way there is interest by one major Administrator, the County has not written us off as we are begining to feel I do not think." Tom Cannon did not agree with Jay Craven's statement he feels the County has written them off in a way because when the Consolidation Study Group speaks about Developmental Services they took the attitude we'll settle in Court if we have to. Not one fire professional mentioned the word court but them. All that they have asked them to do was to sit in the study group and study the issue which possibly could of come back as the same thing they are looking at which is let the County take over. But they did not want to go that far they would rather their staff prepare a papaer that said by the County taking over the Fire Inspection the Developmental Services would have to fund an addi- tional $172,000.00 to pay for it, then sit at a public meeting and say it does not say that. He surmised that if they are going to spend $340,000 and $168,000 is going to be collected then that means from somewhere a $172,000 has to come from. Tom Cannon asked if anyone had any ideas in reference to the hour and a half program he wants to present to the Study Group. Chief Doerr thinks it is a good idea. Jay Craven asked the question who did he have in mind such as representation Commissioners, Chiefs, Firefighting Personnel? Tom Cannon feels both should participate because the Consolidation Study Group feels the Commissioners are fighting consolidation in order to protect their jobs which is not true. Chief Jones stated that the Study Group needs to recognize how dedicated the Fire Commissioners are. Tom Cannon added that he thinks it is to that point that they do recognize that now. Chief Jones thinks the presentation to the Study Group should be well organized. Tom Cannon feels the same way the Study group wanted the presentation to be tomorrow and he told them it could not be done by then. He wanted a minimum of two weeks. Comm. Kissel Suggested to have input from the Fire Chief, Fire Marshall, Fire Commissioner, get all aspects so everybody does not have to think aboutaze item, everybody do there own part. Tom Cannon was thinking along those same lines or possibly taking various sections or maybe a representative from each Fire Department talking about what they are doing presently as far as mutual aid, brush fires etc.. . rn�n it Coml. Kissel stated every Department has a different situation what Ochopee does and what we do in North Naples are two different ball games you are still fighting fires but they are differentqpe 'atiQns. Chief Martin suggests using the Fire Service Shared Activities which is 32 items as an agenda for the presentation. Tom Cannon made mention that the County states that there is no Arson Task Force, but yet everytime he is at a fire the Fire Department is investigating, the Fire Marshall is called to investigate , and Collier County Sheriff's Office investigates that to him is some what of a Task Force. He suggested they go through the Fire Service Shared Activities List. Chief Martin went over the abovementioned list and pointed out possibly some ways of using the information on the list. For instance he stated the written Mutual Aid Agreement the County said we did not originally have, a report was provided on numerous ocassions, the Task Force is meeting again they are working at it, they could provide copies of the Bid Coop List that they use, pass out a 911 sticker to illustrate that their communications works, hand out their communications procedure that they are using. He feels any member of the Steering Committee could address the Study Group as to what they are accomplishing by this Committee. The Chiefs or Fire Marshalls could also standup and speak representing either one of those agencies. He mentioned the 5th County wide Firematics is coming up. The following is also being accomplished in unison by the Fire Departments According to Chief Martin: 1. They use the same fire codes. 2. They have participated in the purchase of a Repeater System and the moving of Control. 3. They have an Interlocal Agreement for reviewing plans any Fire Marshall could address. 4. They are providing protection with the other:Fire Departments in the way of Mutual Aid in District I in the amount of $600,000 a year the dependant and independant districts are providing protection. 5. They have a Board of adjustments and Appeals. 6. They share reserve equipment and training towers. Chief Martin suggested possibly a slide show with pictures of the training towers, Fire Apparatus, and what facilities are out there. He further stated the Mutual Aid Equipment List and the training audio visual equipment was just updated. The County is also buying a new County Command Post. The Emergency Medical Dispatch will probably be put into:.play around May or June and the Fire Departments will be participating in that. Possibly they could have an EMT demonstrate a defibulator and explain its usage and finally in reference to District Impact Fees share one of the Enabling Acts with the Study Group. Tom Cannon Stated that While Chief Martin was on the Enabling Act. one of the things Chuck Muhlke mentioned to him was how hard would it be to get most of the Enabling Acts equal some of the Departments have Eminant Domain Powers and others do not would it be feasible. Chief Jones stated that it could be d`ne if it has been done in Pinnellas County he believes it is just a House Pick and he feels very sure that Mary Ellen Hawkins would support doing that because she would not want to see them every year and if they took a look at the docket every year on that legislative hearing the Fire Departments take up a lot of time, and she does not particularly like that it takes up a lot of her time and gives us a visual out there he feels they do not need. He feels they should be all the same and that she would support that 100%. Chief Martin though that it should be a goal of the Steering Committee for the next year that if they could decide here tonight what they are going to do for instance 'et_:the Enabling Acts the same and bring them before Mary Ellen Hawkins if they have to next year. This would be a goal to work on also the annexation of District I might be another possi- A discussion ensued in reference to the type of presentation to be made. Chief McDonald suggested possibly a press conference. Chief Jones stated they needed at least four weeks to put a slide presentation together. He also stated that the Chairman Chuck Mohlke he believes would have to set up the press coverage and that if they were interested in a video he recommended they use Denny Hare to accomplish that. The general consensus of the discussion was that they wanted a professional product whether it was to be a video or a slide presentation and also in order to do that they needed a four week period. They were also in agreement in using the Fire Service Shared activities as an agenda for the presentation, possibly with the addition of pictures of, stations, equipment, rescue and fire calls, manpower and even putting an exercise together. They need the time to compile this information plus editing. Tom Cannon stated that the Study Group is very interested in what happens in the Steer- ing Committee and that he reports back to them every two weeks as to what is being accomplished. He also stated he would ask for as much time as possible to allow for preparation of the presentation. Chief Martin suggested that the two items that were discussed this night be added to the concept paper. One was Under Special Programs there is a concern to get our Enabl- ing Acts the same and as part of that they annex the areas that are part of District I together now into our Districts. Chief Doerr stated that it needs to be emphasized that no matter what happens with Consolidation the consept paper items he contends will have to be instituted. No matter with or without consolidation these are things that have been drug through both Commi- ttees. Chief Jones made the statement that because of the threat of Consolidation they have gotten alot of things done and will get more things done. Tom Cannon stated that one of Chuck Mohlke's comments today was if nothing becomes of Consolidation it has managed to bring the Fire Departments dependant and independant together. This group is a prime example he knows they have tried to bring the Commi- ssioners together four years ago and it did not last. It has enabled the Districts to work closely together to adopt some of the programs here so maybe it was worth it. Chief Martin stated they need to prioratize the items on the Concept Paper that they are not doing now and make them goals to reach in 1,2, or 3 years. Also the two added items Annexation and the Enabling Acts need to be ready so that a year from now they car: take it to the Legislative Delagation unless something changes. In regards to some of the other items some of them may be a year, some five to six years away. They really need to prioratize and put a time table on them so that they can work towards that. Both Jay Craven and Chief Jones concurred with Chief Martin's suggestion to prioratize items but to change them on each meeting agenda, Jay Craven stated they need to know what item they are going to work on first at each meeting. Chief Jones suggested that the priorities just like meeting agendas need to be changed regularly. Another general discussion in reference to Consolidation was started by Chief Siebold. He feels the Fire departments are already consolidated because they work together and as Tom Cannon added they work together jointly but are managed locally. However Chief Jones contends that with out all of the items in the concept paper put into play that they are still not consolidated. Chief McDonald feels that they have the best of Con- solidation because they retain their autonomy taking the best of consolidation without Consolidating. Chief Siebold feels the Steering Group should take on a stronger stance with the County and present their views as representing all of the Fire Departments and not each one individually. Comm. Kissel and Chief McDonald seemed to be in agreeance in reference to the Committee moving at a good pace and seeing results. Comm. Kissel went on to add that he feels in six months even more changes will be made by this Committee because of a cooperative effort. Because of comments made by Chief Siebold, Chief McDonald is under the impression that they should centralize all the Fire Departments under the Chairman of this Committee. nnoL, F (C3ntinued from page 6) Chief Siebold's reply was that he proposes that after all of the Departments report back to their own Commissioners through the Chairman of this Committee. Chief Martin commented thet he feels there are only a few left in the Study Group that are pro Consolidation and that those that are left that are against Consolidation are hesitating in making the motion against Consolidation. He went on to say that if we have not had our chance or if they have not discussed Consolidation they have discussed everything but it then if somebody makes that motion then there will be a staff report that says we never discussed Consolidation therefore staff recommends Consolidation. So the hold outs that are left in there he thinks are on our side and believe in the things they are doing. And some of them he believes are waiting for a report from us whether it be this report or our presentation that says where the Fire Services are going to take it and I think we are still saying the same thing. Tom Cannon stated his original thing with this presentation was to end it all once and for all get it over. with. Comm. Speer stated that from what he has heard tonight anyone in this room who is familiar with what has been going on and can express themselves in such a fashion could go into the Study Group tomorrow and blast them away. And I think that is exactly what has got to be done and people that are on the fence in there if they have an open mind at all may finally become aware that these things are going on he feels they cannot miss. Jay Craven stated that they were in a position to say look guys what we have done in six meeting what have they done in 32 or even tell them what they have done which is not much. The presentation was brought up again Asst. Chief Peterson suggested to present their program to the Steering Committee first then the Consolidation Group and then the press and let them know that this was presented to the Consolidation Group. Also it was brought up by Bill Isaacs that possibly they should appoint someone as their PR person from the Committee to make contact with the newspapers, radio and T.V. . Tom Cannon stated in the past he has been in touch with some of the media for instance John Lunsford and the Naples Star. He feels we should let the press get through to the citizens. Chief Siebold reiterated again that they need to go back to each one of their Districts and let them know what has taken place. Jay Craven stated that he was no lawyer but why couldn't this committee under the state laws incorporate as a nonprofit organization and gain our independence with this threat of County control, they would have a heck of a time undoing that. Chief Siebold presented that if the Consolidation Committee says to Consolidate and that it is the best thing for the County and it goes before the voters on referendum to Consolidate he would hope they would all meet and Reconsolidate under their terms. They know what has to be done and they have been doing it longer then the County has, he agrees they may not have all the answers but they do have the information to get it. Chief Doerr Brought out the point that the Consolidation Committee has considered that one way of Consolidating would be on a board of its own not under the County that has been mentioned. Tom Cannon confirmed the statedment made by Chief Doerr that it has been mentioned to possibly Consolidate under a board of its own. He stated a lot of that stems from John Lunsford's column that he did about six weeks ago about the consolidation move- ment, John Lunsford is pro Consolidation, but not under the County. He would rather see an independant board. To go back to what Bob is saying we can go back to them and show them we have consolidated ourselves to provide the best service to the citizens of Collier County but we are keeping local controls. (Continued from page 7) That way the people are getting the best of both worlds we are keeping our local controls and their taxes are staying in their districts. But they get the benefits of every Department. Any amount of tax they pay for fire is going for fire not to buy a mobile command post. Comm. Lenny Moore Posed the question that if any of the Commissioners opposes what they want to represent? Tom Cannon replied that is where each board would need to take a vote amoungst them- selves on what it wants to accomplish. Comm. Moore brought up the fact that possibly all the Fire Commissioners should see the Presentation and give some feedback on it before showing it to the Study Group. In answer to Comm. Moore, Tom Cannon stated East Naples Commissioners voted 3 to 0 in opposition to Consolidation. Comm. Kissel added the North Naples Commissioners choose him to represent him at these meetings and he returns to them and fills them in on what is going on. Comm. Moore stated that he and the other Commissioners in his area drew up a letter stating that they were not interested in Consolidation. Chief Martin stated it was mentioned to incorporate this Fire service Committee, as what has been brought out we are a Consolidated fire service it is that the Fire Service chooses to have identity within geographic areas because of geographic reasons. Chief Siebold feels the County has to recognize this Committee, by xce recognizing this Committee the County is saying they do not recognize the Fire Services. Further comments were from Chief McDonald that if another layer of government is added the people and those under them will get lost in the shuffle. He also feels they are the elected Officials of the people and are supposed to be the voice of the people. He contends that many of the County Officials are appointed and that they should not be dictating to them what is for the good of the people. Comm. Speer added that the general public in a sense is getting Consolidation rammed down their throats and they do not even realize it yet. They will find out when the smoke clears. Chief Martin aske1 if OchcpeeFire_Dist. was in a position to go Wit. Bill Isaacs stated he and 2 other board members were interested. Chief Doerr's reply was was that if it was economically feasable and if the people wanted it he would not oppose it. Comm. Kissel thought that if Chief Doerr handled the money himself it would go further and he would receive better interest on his money. Chief Doerr replied that he gets the same interest as the County's general fund. They County has personnel that all they do is move money around. According to Chief Doerr he is receiving the best interest on his money. He did state however that the County is now charging $36,000.00 to process Ochopee Fire Control District's paper work. Comm. Kissel and others present felt that was excessive and that a bookkeeper would be much cheaper and Chief Martin contends that he could make that money go further and that maybe Chief Doerr would like to spend that money on something else. Chief Doerr felt that it is not excessive for all the services Ochopee Fire Control District is receiving plus all it has received over the years. Other questions were posed in reference to how Ochopee Fire Control District is re- ceiving its funds from the County. Comm. Kissel asked if it was received in a lump sum or straggles in. Chief Doerr replied it is received just like them 2% to collect it 3% to appraise it then they receive a big check and it is put in the bank, where the difference for Ochopee is the money is registered in the computer and they draw it out when needed by Purchase Orders and the payroll sheets are processed through the County. Jay Craven stated going independant could be a little more complex for the in lieu of taxes that the District currently collects. Bill Isaacs brought out the fact that the County made a mistake of $105,000 in gasoline tax that was due to Everglades City, his contension and others present was if they made a mistake like that with their money they could make others. PACK A (Continued from page 8) Chief Doerr further added the other Fire Departments are in areas that are developing and expanding however Ochopee Fire District is not. So they really have to think before they make a jump therefore he does not go out there talking freely about going in- dependent this is actually the first time it has come up publically outside of a meet- ing that was held in Evergaldes City in which Advisory Board memeber Bill Isaacs brought up the fact that he felt that way and it was the first tiem it was ever mentioned in the history of Ochopee Fire Dist.. There were County Officials present at the Everglades City meeting in the way of Jay Reardon, Neil Dorrill and Anne Goodnight and he feels he took them by surprise. He stated that their budget is differenct from the other Fire Departments in that thiers is mainly advalorem and contracted area maybe, but Ochopee's revenue comes from inlieu of taxes, contracted area, and Everglades Contract. The revenue is there we make it every year. He commented again that he did not want to rock the boat unless he was really sure. Chief Martin stated that one of the thing he shares with the public if Consolidation under the County takes place the hours that the Fire Personnel put in will not be there anymore. Chief Siebold agreed. Chief Martin continued on to say that the service that this County is receiving from the Fire Service, Fire Chiefs, Firefighters the way it presently is they can not afford us with the hours and the efforts put in. And if Consolidation does occur under the County Fire Personnel will put in their 53 hours a week and take their Kelly Day every 6th shift and go home that is where it is going to be at and what the people have to day at Ochopee, Big Corkscrew, as an identity is gone east Naples the same way it is not going to be there people identify with their fire dept. volunteers will be gone. Comm. Kissel stated that the public has the best of two worlds right now. The trouble with Consolidation is not looking at the public there mind is a long ways from that. If they would consider the public the cheapest way to do it is the way it is being done now. Jay Craven stated that with both of its cities Collier County is not ready for a Metro Fire Department. Chief Siebold contends that it is a very good idea for the County it is a great source of revenue, and it all does not have to go back to Fire Protections. If they need more Fireman with the stroke of a pen they would obtain more no longer does the taxpayer vote on this. He stated that he even understands the County's point in this it is another source of revenue that we do not have to let back out. Comm. Kissel feels they would use it to take care of the County but as far as the public is concerned. The Departments that are farthest out with the least might have a two man engine company but if something big were to occur they would not have the man power to back them up where as now they do. Chief Siebold feels the people supporting Consolidation should be the Fire Services, the people opposing it should be the public. The nice thing about living here is that they can make their own decisions, if they choose to work 24 hours a day for 8 hours pay that is their choice. He enjoys what he does but if it goes the way of Consoli- dation then when he goes home his radio does not work and neither does his phone and that is what they are trying to protect. Tom Cannon suggested their next meeting to be the third Tuesday of next month at East Naples and Mary Ellen Hawkins will be at that meeting. They are trying to secure a growth management attorney. PAGE 9 • Chief Martin commented she was going to speak about growth management. Tom Cannon made mention the agenda for the next meeting will be May Ellen Hawkins and the presentation. So they will need various Departments to take some shots of their equipment and possibly any emergencies they have in the next week or so. He further stressed take pictures of your station's trucks, man power and anything else they feel could be used in the presentation. He also stated the consept papers are ready to hand out to the Consolidation Group tomorrow. Chief Siebold wanted to know if they are going to all go back to their boards and find out if they want them to work as one agency. The members of the Steering Group we all in agreeance with the abovementioned statement made by Chief Siebold. He wanted his above statement and reply mentioned in the minutes. Chief Mrtin stated that if they can show every Department in this presentation that will be saying a lot. Chief Siebold stated in closing perhaps the Chairman of the Steering Committee could send a letter to each Board. The Meeting was ajorned at 10:10PM. The next Steering Group meeting will be held at 7:30PM on 2-20-90 at East Naples Fire Station on Davis Blvd. PAGE 10