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Fire Service Steering Committee Minutes 03/20/1990 NOTICE OF MEETING PROPOSED AGENDA FIRE SERVICES STEERING COMMI'1TEE HOSTED BY BIG CORKSCREW ISLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT TUESDAY, MARCH 20, 1990 7:30 P.M. I. MEETING OPENED a Approval of Minutes II. OLD BUSINESS a Contacting County Commissioners b. Resolution of District Boards c. House Bill 599 Report d. Enabling Acts: Establish Committee e. Impact Fees f. Chartered Organization g. Fire Services Steering Committee (topics initiated by members) III. NEW BUSINESS a Independent Fire Districts b. Fire Services Steering Committee (topics initiated by members) IV. ADJOURNMENT MINUTES FIRE SERVICES STEERING COMMTlTEE FEBRUARY 20, 1990 HOSTED BY EAST NAPLES FIRE DEPARTMENT The meeting opened at 7:35 p.m. Present were East Naples Fire Commissioners Tom Cannon and Greg Speers, Big Corkscrew Island Fire Commissioner Nancy Hughes, Golden Gate Fire Commissioners Will Griffith and Marvin Steffen, Little Hickory Bonita Shores Fire Commissioner John Hill, North Naples Fire Commissioners Walter Kissel and A. P. Johnson, Chief Wayne Martin, Chief Bob Siebold, Chief Norman Hatcher, Chief Jim Jones, Chief Vince Doerr, Chief J.C. Nutley, Asst. Chief Don Peterson, Ochopee Advisory Board members Jay Craven and Allen Poyner, Captain Rob Potteiger, Driver Engineer Leo Malinoswki, Marilyn Malinowksi, Representative Mary Ellen Hawkins, and Administrative Assistant Yolanda Inabnitt. No changes or deletions were made to the minutes of the February 12th meeting. Chief Martin reported on last weeks meeting with the County. The purpose of the meeting was to get the County to participate with the attorney general's opinion on a single fire code interpreter. The attorney general would not render an opinion to a single district. Chief Martin commented that basically the attorney general's opinion has been challenged by the fire services. A brief mention was made of the newspaper article by John Lundsford regarding the single fire code interpreter. Chairman Cannon stated that the news media has been contacted on this issue, and expressed that this issue should have more exposure and one way is by having the fire commissioners from each district contact the media. A long discussion ensued with regard to the fire commissioners in each district contacting their county commissioner representative to further discuss this issue. It was the consensus of the group that a meeting be scheduled with the county commissioners. Chief Doerr gave a presentation on Sable Palm and Miller Boulevard. Chief Doerr reported that there is no official purchase in the south blocks as of this date. A long discussion ensued with regard to the Collier County Fire Chiefs Association supporting the acquisition and improvements of Sabal Palm Road and Miller Boulevard into the south blocks of Golden Gate Estates. Also discussed was that response time to fires and other emergencies would be greatly hampered with the closing of the north end of Miller Boulevard, leaving Everglades Boulevard as the only access. A letter will be sent to George Archibold, Director of Transportation Services regarding this matter. Special guest, Representative Mary Ellen Hawkins was present to speak on growth management. Other issues discussed with Representative Hawkins were as follows: - K•12 System - Governor's Budget - Unfunded Mandates: 1. Control Burn Bill 2. Confederate Veterans Fund - Florida Tax Law Study Special Session Chief Jones directed a question to Rep. Hawkins concerning the bill instituted by Fire Commissioners in Palm Harbor regarding municipal retirement for firefighters, giving special districts some of the monies which would be collected. Rep. Hawkins answered that this bill will most likely not be passed. Chief Martin made reference to a seminar he attended in Ocala, and stated that the fire services do not participate with growth management. Rep. Hawkins expressed that the fire services should participate with growth management planning. Representative Hawkins inquired on impact fees. Commissioner Cannon responded by stating that the county has been requesting county wide impact fees. Hawkins views on the publics' acceptance of impact fees are that they will approve. Additional information on this issue will be made available to the steering committee. A long discussion also ensued with regard to the districts building more stations. The following issues were discussed, and will have the support of Rep. Hawkins. - Same Enabling Act - Attorney General's Opinion - Alternative Funding Methods At the request of the Fire Services Steering Committee the fire departments in Collier County have created a slide presentation to present to the Fire Consolidation Study Group. Chief Jones will act as the moderator and introduce the presentation. Chairman Cannon will represent the committee and fire commissioners. The presentation was viewed in it's entirety for the first time by the committee. A long discussion followed with regard to other items that should be included in the presentation, such as: mutual aid, volunteers and how they are trained, and others. A long discussion took place with regard to consolidation, after a question brought forth by Rep. Hawkins. Chairman Cannon stated that in place of consolidating county wide, the fire services decided they would get positive results by uniformity, in place of consolidation. Cannon commented that the fire services can accomplish this a lot better, and cheaper then consolidating. It was suggested that a sub-committee be established for the purpose of instituting the same enabling act for the districts. County Commissioners will be invited to attend the next committee meeting. A brief discussion ensued with regard to chartering the committee. Chief Jones will invite media to consolidation meeting. The committee listened to a tape recording of an interview between Neil Dorrill and WNOG's, Carl Loveday concerning consolidation. Discussion followed. The meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m. MINUTES FIRE SERVICES STEERING COMMITEE MARCH 20 , 1990 HOSTED BY BIG CORKSCREW ISLAND FIRE RESCUE THE MEETING OPENED AT 8 : 20 P.M. PRESENT WERE EAST NAPLES FIRE COMMISSIONERS TOM CANNON, GREG SPEERS AND THEIR NEW COMMISSIONER HERB LUNTZ, BIG CORKSCREW ISLAND FIRE COMMISSIONER NANCY HUGHES , NORTH NAPLES FIRE COMMISSIONER WALTER KISSEL, OCHOPEE FIRE ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS ALLEN PAYNER, JAY CRAVEN AND CURTIS SMITH, LITTLE HICKORY BONITA SHORES COMMISSIONER JOHN HILL, GOLDEN GATE FIRE COMMISSIONER MARVIN STEFFEN, IMMOKALEE FIRE COMMISSIONER JACK JOHNSON AND THEIR NEW COMMISSIONER RAY DE LUNA JR. FIRE CHIEFS PRESENT WERE SIEBOLD, MC DONALD, JONES , DOERR, NUTLEY, M ,GGIO, HATCHER AND MARTIN. ASSISTANT CHIEFS PRESENT WERE SHANKS AND PETERSON. MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 20 MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE WERE APPROVED WITH NO CHANGES . ALL FIRE DISTRICTS WERE ADVISED TO CONTACT THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONER CONCERNING GETTING AN ATTORNEY GENERALS OPINION DEALING WITH WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO INSPECTIONS OF NEW AND EXISTING STRUCTURES . (FEBRUARY MEETING) COMMISSIONER HILL HAS BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL DESPITE NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT COUNTY COMMISSIONER VOLPE. COMMISSIONER LUNTZ OFFERED ASSISTANCE IN CONTACTING ANY OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS . COMMISSIONER LUNTZ IS AVAILABLE AT 774-8483 . MARCO FIRE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN CONTACTING COUNTY COMMISSIONER SHANAHAN. IMMOKALEE FIRE MET WITH COMMISSIONER GOODNIGHT AND EXPRESSED THAT NO MATTER WHO DID THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS , IT MUST BE CONSISTENT i . e. IF YOU INSPECT NEW CONSTRUCTION YOU ALSO SHOULD INSPECT EXISTING BUILDINGS . OCHOPEE HAD NO LUCK CONTACTING THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER CANNON AND CHIEF MARTIN MET WITH COUNTY MANAGER DORILL AND COUNTY COMMISSIONER HASSE TO DISCUSS A SINGLE FIRE CODE -INTERPRETER THE COUNTY FELT THAT IF IT WAS NOT CHEAPER THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO DO IT. FURTHER THE ISSUE OF CONSOLIDATION WAS RAISED, THE COUNTY POSITION AT THIS MEETING WAS THAT THEY HAD NO INTEREST IN CONSOLIDATION AND THE ISSUE SHOULD HAVE DIED. MANAGER DORILL STATED THAT IF THE FIRE DISTRICTS WANTED TO BE INDEPENDENT THEN THEY SHOULD BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT I .E. DON'T BUY FROM THE COUNTY SMALL STORE, DON'T COME TO THE COUNTY TO BUY A TRUCK OR TO BUILD A STATION, BITTER ABOUT HAVING TO CUT CHECKS FOR PAYMENT OF CONTRACT MONEY TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT PROTECT DISTRICT 1. THE. DISCUSSION LED TO THE COUNTY CONSTANTLY THREATENING TO SEE MINUTES FIRE SERVICES STEERING COMMITEE MARCH 20 , 1990 HOSTED BY BIG CORKSCREW ISLAND FIRE RESCUE US IN COURT. COMMISSIONER CANNON ASKED THAT WE STICK TOGETHER IN THE FIRE DISTRICTS ATTEMPT TO INSTITUTE IMPACT FEES . THE QUESTION WAS RAISED ABOUT WHERE THE INTEREST WAS GOING FROM THE AVATAR TRUST FUND #605, COMMISSIONER CANNON WILL CHECK INTO THIS MATTER. IMMOKALEE FIRE STATED THAT THE CONTRACT MONIES FROM THE COUNTY FIRE DISTRICT 1 ARE NOT RECEIVED BY THE FIRE DISTRICTS FOR SEVEN MONTHS AFTER THE CONTRACT IS RATIFIED ERGO THE DISTRICTS AD VALORUM TAXES MUST SUBSIDIZE THE COUNTIES FIRE DISTRICT. COMMISSIONER CANNON ASKED WHAT THE COUNTY HELPED THE FIRE DISTRICT WITH, SUCH AS THE FUEL TANKER AT SCENES OF LARGE INCIDENTS . CAN WE SET UP OUR OWN FUEL SUPPLY? NORTH NAPLES FIRE IS WORKING ON THIS PROBLEM. CHIEF MARTIN ASKED THAT WE LIST WHO HAS AUTHORITY FOR WHAT I .E. HURRICANE, BRUSH FIRE, HAZ-MAT INCIDENTS . COMMISSIONER KISSEL STATED THAT THE COUNTY, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE INCIDENT, MAY TAKE OVER. COMMISSIONER LUNTZ STATED THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ASSIST THE INCIDENT COMMANDER IN ANY WAY. A DISCUSSION ENSUED CONCERNING THE USE OF COUNTY EQUIPMENT SUCH AS THE MOBILE COMMAND CENTER AND THE NEED TO CLARIFY WITH MANAGER DORILL WHAT AREAS THE COUNTY WAS TO HELP WITH. CT-:IEF MARTIN STATED THAT EAST NAPLES FIRE WILL COLLECT THEIR OWN IMPACT FEES AS THE LAW ALLOWS . GOLDEN GATE FIRE NOW ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO COLLECT THEIR FEES FOR A PRICE. COMMISSIONER CANNON WILL APPOINT A COMMITTEE TO MEET WITH THE MANAGER TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE AND REPORT BACK TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE. THE ISSUE OF OUR COOPERATIVE ENDEAVORS LIST WAS DISCUSSED AND THE NEED TO GET BACK TO WORKING ON IT. THE NEED FOR A CHARTER WAS RAISED AND THIS WILL BE LOOKED INTO BY CHIEF MARTIN AND COMMISSIONER HILL. ALSO TO DRAFT BY-LAWS AND OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT. AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROPOSED LETTERHEAD WAS PASSED AROUND. CHIEF MARTIN STATED THAT NOT ALL THE FIRE DISTRICTS HAVE RETURNED THEIR RESOLUTIONS CONCERNING THE SUPPORT OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. IMMOKALEE FIRE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH SOME TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE ISSUE WILL BE BROUGHT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING. A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOUSE BILL 599 WAS TABLED TILL OUR NEXT MINUTES FIRE SERVICES STEERING COMMITEE MARCH 20 , 1990 HOSTED BY BIG CORKSCREW ISLAND FIRE RESCUE MEETING. AS WAS THE UNITED ENABLING ACT ISSUE. CHIEF HATCHER STATED THE POSSIBLE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE OUR UNION CONTRACTS AS WELL AS OTHER LIKE ISSUES TO FIRE DISTRICTS , FOR THE COMMON GOOD. NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN IMMOKALEE ON APRIL 17 , 1990 . MEETING ADJOURNED 10 : 55 PM.