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Naple., Florida, ^ugust 25, 1981
LET IT BE REMEMar.REÐ, that tho Board of County Comml..lon.r. in
.nd for the County of Collier, and al.o acting 8S the governlnq
board(.) of øuch øpecial d!øtrict. .. have been created accordinq to
law and having-conducted bus!n.øs herein, met on thiø date at 1.37 P.M.
In Workshop Session In Building ·F· of the Court~oule Complex with the .
following members present.
C"~rR"'^N.
VICE CJI^IRM~N.
John ^. pi.tor
Clifford Wonzel
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Mary-France. Kruse
Cavid C. Brown (1144 P.M.)
ALSO PRESENT. William J. Rðagan, Clerk, Carlene Cavid.on, Deputy
Clerk, Donald pickworth, County ~ttornel' Ken Cuyler, As.i.tant County
Attorney, Irving Berzon, Utilities ~anaqer, C. William Norman, County
Man~ger, ~erry Virta, Community Development ^dministrator, Danny Crew,
Planning Director, Lee :~yn. and ~erry Clark, Planner., Sondra V8te.,
Community Block Crant Coordinator, Jeffory porry, zo~inq Oirector,
crace spaulding, ~dmini.trative ~Ide to tho ~oard, and, Raymond
Barnett, Deputy Chief, Sheriff'. Department.
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1. pro.entation and discussion of work proqra. for Planning
Department, Community Development Division.
PRESENT^TION , DISCUSSION OF WORK PROCR^M FOR PLANNING DEP~RTMENT,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMEN~ DIVISION - BO~RD DIRECTION CIVEN rn~RINC Rr~ULAR
SESSION TillS D~~E
c~unlty Developmont ~minlstrator Terry Vlrta .tated that,
pur.uant to the Board'. request, at the time of budget he.rln9. for Py
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. both pendlnq and current programs, all of which must be accompli.h.d
ðurinq the upcoming year.
Mr. Vlrta stated that his .taft has prepared chart. which outlln. .
the various projects that his office i8 Involved In and the corre.-
pondlng amount of ~an ~onths necessary tor completion of same, addlnq
that the projections have been made conservatively. He laid that In
addition to the many projects that are slated to begin during FY 81-82,'
there have already been more added since the budqet hearing when the
lists and charts wero prepared, thus, Borne of the charts are outdated
already.
Planning cirector Danny Crew reforred to the aforementioned charts
and outlinod the projects that would be handled In the planning
Department for FY 81-82, some of which have not been Inltlatod a. ot
this date and Bome of them current. Among the current projects were
the development of a new zoning Ctdlnance, the first revl.lon of the
Comprehensive Plan, development of the Eastern County Wetland Survey
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maps, Zoning/Comprehensive Plan - coordination plans, Beach ~cce..
Master plan, ~s.lstance to the Public Safety Division for development ·
of a Fire Kaster plan, ~~lden Cate Fezonlng, Floodprooflng Code, ~olden
Cate Estotes Master Plan, Metro planning Organization re tran.por-
tatlon, Precinct dellnea~ion, Zoning Ordinance ~end~ents, Street
nU1ftber I nCH and,' Impact fees, all of wh Ich wl:'1 take approx hnlltely 88
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Mr. Cr.w outlined the following pending projects that have been
..alqned to the Planning Department recently, Including restudylnq the
land use and developing a Master plan tor the Isle of Capri, developing
. Malter plan for Immokalo. and, assl.tlng the Parks and Recreation
Committee In development of future park sites In the County, all of
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which aðd approximatoly 43.5 man months of work. .
Mr. Crew stated that the bottom Ilno la that th.re Is 131.5 man
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months of work to do in the next year, and he referred to several more
charts that broke the.. man months up respectively to the various
programs. ^lr.o explained were the hour. In meetlnq8 that the ataff
spends, the hours In committee meetings, the hours before tho BCC, the
CAPC and the hours following throuqh wi~h directions from the County
Manager regarding research, etc. Mr. Crew stated that there must b. 4
public hearings held in Immokaleo and B more In Naples for the
development of the new %onin<J Ord·lnance.
There was some discus8Son regarding the various amounts of man
~onths allotted for each progra~, the tact that there needs to be a
separate program fo~ beach access ,and the beach mana~ement areas, the
~any revision. that come up fro~ week to week reqarding the %onln9
Ordinance, and public hearing. over petitions for rezoning, compr.hen-
elve plan a~endmenta, etc., and, the fact that ataff also has to
develop a plan for land u.. for the Chokoloskee area.
Mr. Cr.w atated that there are only three Planner. with 12 ~an
.onthe available each year In the Plannlnq Department and that ~r.
Vlrta only ha. 3 ~In ~ontha availlble for planning-related vork, thue,
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the planning Department Is four full-time plann.rs short of being able
to ke.p abreast of current and pending work for the next year.
The MPO was discussed, during which Mr. Crew said that there !.
approximately 4 years work to do In ordor to meet the Federal, State
and local requirements. The projected time frames for various aspect.
of this program were outlined by Messrs. vlrta and Crew and were
discus.ed at length, a. were projected time frames for other programs.
Mr. Crew concluded by saying that the reason that the Planning ~
Dopartment is not responding fast enough to the Board's and the C^pC's
requests and directions Is bocause there Is not enough people to go
around and to be ab16 to efficiently cover all the programs thet
require attention. ~lso discussod was the turnover of employees In
thin area, and the time involved in training new personnel 80 that,they
can begin where their predecessor left oft on a project. ^lso, there
are fewer non-professional employees on board which mean. that the
profe~sionals must spond their time doing those job. that used to be
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handled by these positions. Also, Mr. Crew e~plained that the programs.
and the re.pectlve time frames are one thing, however, ther. will b.
additional projects assigned in the futuro that will be ~ore burd.nso~e
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for the current planning staff, taking up more time and .lowlng up the,
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Pelican Bay Parks plan. were dlscu.sed, during which Co~lsstoner
wimer said tha~ he has been awaiting this project's completion for
.everal year. and Mr. Crew responded that It has not been inltlat.d
because of the backlog of work. Mr. Richard Renderlong, fo~er County
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and reek, .tatod that this was Initiated as part of the Segate ~ap
coordination and Mr. Crew explained that It takoø a greåt deal of tlm.
to train someone and aqualnt them with the -every day routine ~atters·
let alone the specialized areas such as this. Re s"ld that ~r.
nenderlong was familiar with parks, etc., and handled tha~, kind of
project In the paRt. Mr. Crew stated that the County looses money In
t.r~. of time every time someone new has to be hired to replace 80meone
that leaves.
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~r. virta outlined various steps that the County muøt now undorgo
in ~rder to develop an MPO, which 18 mandated by the rOderD~govornment
now that the urban area of Collier County has been estimatod to have
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over 50,000 persons, according to the latest cenøus. ~.ferring to'
chart. and drawings, Mr. Vlrta outlined the many areas of concern that
~u.t be consldored when organizing and establlshinq the Metropolitan
Planning orqanlzation, adding that tho County will face tho VO··lbillty
of losing all future Federal funding if thl. 1. not accompli.hed within
a certain framework of time, aa well as experience the los. of Atate
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fund. for roads, etc., because the State Law parallel. tho.. of the
r.deral government regarding tho.e requlremente. Thl. vas dl.cu..ed at
length, during which Mr. vlrta .herod pest experience. In another
county which did not m.et the requlre~ent., I.e. 10.. of all Federal
loan., fund., grants, .tate aid for roads, etc. He referred to thle
proce.. a. being -de-certlflod- and explained In detail what would be
at .take, Including ~Illlon. of dollar. for Collier County annually.
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of IIUlbers, the phnning of work programs, the prospeetul, the unified ' ' 'u
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plan work progra~, the transportation plan, the system management
element, the long range element, and the transportation Improvement
pr09ra.. It was explained by ~r. virta that the County has to .how
good faith In accomplishing the goals of the MPO program and he
reterred to the temporary holdup on 951 which re.ulted beeluse of a
lack of such a display of good faith. Commlsøloner Pistor stated that
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Commlsøloncr Brown loft the room at this time - 2109 P.M.
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The discu.slon continued regarding the MPO, the possibility of
10.1 of funds in tho future, whot ~i9ht be expected it Collier doe. not
fol10w,through with this program and related ~attor..
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Commis.ioner Wenzel left the room at this ti~e - 2.15 P.M.
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County Manager Norman .tated that the next step II to aVlit word
from the Covernor as to the designation of the member.hlp. Hr. vlrta
concurred, adding that the designation, by Office, will be deteralned
by the Covernor, that there will be 5-15 member., I.e. five County
Co.-Is.loners and five City Councilmen. Once the Board 1. e.tabli.hed,
.eotlng. vll1 be Icheduled, the Interlocal agreement, which ha. already
been drafted, will have to be approved with tho City, tho County and"
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He added that the staff would also have to be determined and the
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DISCUSSION RE COMMUNI~Y ALOCK CR~N~ PRocnAMS
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Sondra Yaten, Community Development Block Crant Coordlnfttor,
referred to lome charts and outlined the current and pending ~ectlon R
pr09ram which her office i8 Involved with. She stated that In the
current progrðm thore will have been 27 houses rehabilitated, 4 houses
replaced and 5 roads paved and this program will be wrapp~d up in the
amount of $490,000 by October l, 1981. She said that beginning on that
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, 39 houses for rehabilitation, 2 streets to be paved, ~-g vacant
buildings demolished, an~ a neighborhood center rehabilItated.
Referring to the weatherization program approved tor application
by the BCC approximately 4 months ago, she said that this has been
Icrapped by the Re~gan ^dmlnlstration. However, It may be salvaged In
1981-82 by the Department of r.nerqy and, if this occurs, Collier County
1. at the ,top of the waiting Uat.
MI. Vates said that the current 11tuatlon with the Section 8
pr09ra~ is currently In HUD's handa and she said that she hal been
a.lured that there ia no reason to expect that COllier's application
vll1 be turned down. She said that, through this application, Collier
COunty will receive and has used approximately 82AO,OOO In the first
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year. She outlined the new proposed quldellne. for CSOP'. and lalð
that .h. consider. the work'accompllsh.ð and the work propolld tGr
Immokaleo to have been most beneficial to the County and to the gen.ral'
upgrading of entire nolghborhoods throughout I~mokalee.
~he method of letting bids for the rehabllit.atlon work was
dlscus.ed, as was the average amount of ~oney spent on any lingle unit,
which has been approximated at an average of $l2,OnO per unit. Th.
large numbors of applications for rehabilitating houses was outlln.d by
Ms. Yates as were tho quldellnes on which they are screened. The
general upgradinq of neighborhood Involvement and the attitude towards
accepting new community responsibility on the part of " the recipients of
these grant lunds wan also explained by Ma. Yates, with ~elsr.. Crew
and Vlrta commonting on the positive effects of the CBGP in Collier
County. Commissioner wi~er stated that -he feels the CBCP projects haY~
been beneficial to Collier County and that Ms. Yates has done a fin.
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There was a general diacu.siön regarding the various aspects of
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the Community Development Division, Its scope of work programs, and
so~e of the problems associated with the amount of work to be
accomplished In the next year.
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DISCUSSION RE REZONIN~ POnTIONS OF ~OLDr.N CATE r.~~ATES ~ND APPLICATION '
OF -ST- OVERLAY ON r£R~AIN ~RE^S ~JlERF.OP OtSCU~Sr.O - POLICY R!
NO~IFIC~~ION ~O PROprR~V o~rnF.R~ Rr. ~A~F. DTRCUFr.ED
Mr. vlrta stated that the staff would like Roard direction on
their Intent to handle the rezoning of that portion of the County which
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i. currently zoned under the Inmokal.e ^rea Planning dl.trict and i.
slated for rezoning to WEW Estatos as a pðrt of the overall development
of the ne" proposed Zoning Ordinance. n. said that, later, as the
eppl1cðtlon of the -ST- to that portion of land where this ov.rlay 1.
appropriate Is being considered, the staff would like to Initiate the .
process of Individual notifi~ation to proporty owners.
He said that the Board has gonG on record, about a year ago, that
they wanted all property owners to he individually notified at the tlm.
of ~ezono process and ho said that he prefero to make it ð two .tep
process without havlnq to individually notify the property owner.
rogarding the rezone as this would not ho a separate work, prógraÐ and
would be a part of the preparation of the Zoning Ordinance.
^lternatlves to Mr. Vlrta's suggestion W~8 discussed, a~ong them
was combining the rezoning and tho designation of -s~-, rezoning the
land And applying the ·SJw whero applicable ðnd then notifying the
property owners of this action when tax bills go out, and, notifying
the property owner. of the intent to combine the.. actions and allowing
them the opportunity, to object to same action prior to the time that It
I. done and notifying the property ownefS Individually only for the
d..lgnation of the ·STw overlay.
Mr. Virta said that both actions could be combined, howev.r, h.
think. that this will create proble~.. Commissioner. PI.tor and ~ru.e
expr....d their foeling that the two .hould be combin.d and the people
notlfl.d Individually. ~hls was dl.cu.s~ at length, during which
Planner Lee Layne stated that the problem is that the adoption of . ne"
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toning Ordinance requires no notification to property owner. except
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thl. program, then there Is no need to individually notify property
owners. However, said ~s. Layne, the ~oard has given staff direction
that individual notification of intent to rezone to -row Estate.'b.
Initiated. What the staff intends to do, if the Board approves, is
that, rather than have the rezone of the aforementioned property to -B-
estat.. designated as a separate work program, it could be combined In'
the proce.. of adopting a new Zoning Ordinance, thus, making it all one
process, .he .aid. ~lso, tho only notification required would be to
advertise In the newspaper..
Commisslonor Wenzel stated that he believes that thore has been' a
misunderstanding. He said that he considers ~hat If the County
intended to alter rogulations 80 that property c~uld no longer be u.ed,
the property ownors should have to be notified, however, It the intent
1. only to limIt the number of buildings allowed on the property, .¡c.,
thon, he does not think it i. nec..sary to send out Individual notices.
Hr. Virta .aid that there is no proposal, at this point In time, to
deny the us. of the subject land, it would be zon.d -E- Est.tes and
portions of it would have an ·ST- overlay. ~r. Virta stated that -ST-
does not Imply that land cannot b. developed, i" does, however, mean
that the property owner has to receive site plan approval and that tt.e
property will tall under, the corps jurisdiction over the pr..Ulltptiv.
wetlands. Commissioner wenzel .aid that that thl. ..ans that the Corpe
..y not let the property owners of -ST- lands u.e It, and the.e people
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.hou14 certainly be notified. Commls8ioner Wimer asked it the 14e. of
rezoning portions of this land which lie In the far eastern part ot the
County to WA- agriculture has been considered and ~r. vlrta replied
affirmatively. He said that only Coldon Cate City North will be zoned
eAe agricufture and the remaininq land at issue will be WEW F,states.
'!'hI. was discussed further, during which Commissioner Krus.~ IIsked Mr.
virta if he con8ide~s that tho proposed rezoning to wEw Estato. Is
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really a ~atter of -housekeeping- In ordor to brinq thllt portion of the
County that was left under the old Immokalee zoninq into line with the
other lands in that particular aree? "'r. vlrta replied affirmatively.
Commisøioner Kruse said that she has no strong feellnqs regarding the
need to individually notify prop~rty owners as long ðØ it is just a
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, to be applied, she feels that the property owners should be notified.
Mr. Crew expounded on the intent of the planninq Department, i.e.
combine the rezoning to -r.- Estates with the development of the new
Zoning Ordinance and, therefore, eliminate the need for individual
notification, and, later, when the -S~- will be applied, individual
notification to affècted property owners will be sent out.
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Commissioner Brown entered the meeting at this time - 212A P.M.
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Mr. Virta agreed that the wST- application warrants Indlvldu.l
notification and he said that, because the adoption of a new Zoning
Ordinance will generate a lot of discus.lon, he would prefer that the
COlden Cate r.tate. zoning not become Wthe l.sue- when thl. I. belnq
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PROPO~F.n ~DOPTION or Nr.w tONINn ORDIN~WCE ~ND THE 1.rFECT ~R~T 'HIS
ADOPTION M~Y ft^VE ON CERT^IN LAND US! PETITIONS IN THE INTERIM PERIOD
PRIOR ~O ITS ~DOPTION - DISCUSSF.D
Mr. virta referred to the proposed public hearings that have been'
scheduled re the aðoption of the proposed zoning Ordinanco. ne said
that the planning statt will be involved in 12 separate public hearing.
and that the BCC will be involved in four of the.e.
Mr. Virta statod that tho staff Is concerned that, as the
development of this ordinance Is goinq through the legal process, I...
public hearings, rovisions, etc., that applications will continue to be
mnde tor'what could inevitably be wnon-zoningsW, i.e. creating
non-conforming uses while the County is involved in developing a new
toning Ordinance. ~herefor., said ~r. virta, he would .trongly recom-
mend that at some point the ~ard not take any further applications tor
land use changes until the Zoning Ordinance has he en adopted, with the
exception of PUD's (~l',"ned unit Developments). ITe 8eið that the
reason that he is suggesting this excepti~n i. becauøe there are no
plans to alter tho present rUD requlatlon..
Commissioner wenzel said that If this il what he is recommendlnq,
Mr. Virta should have recommended that prior applications that have
been accepted and considered of late should not have been considered at
that time. ~r. Virte said that, if all goes as expected, the new
Zoning Ordinance will be adoptod on January 5, 19Ø2. He said that
.taff i. asking, at so~o point, the eoard to consider this recommen-
dation. He said that he did not know it It would be appropriate to
consider Initiating this now or porhaps It would be better to initiate
this .easure before the first public hearing. before the t~kale. and
COastal Area planning Commissions. In ansver to Commissioner PI.tor,
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Mr. Vlrta said that the staff has 25 such petitions that have been
filed and are belnq considered at this time. Commissioner rløtor a.ked
If the.e would b~ actod upon and Mr. vlrta replied afflrmatlvaly.
Ch.lrman pl.tor asked ~r. vlrta if he 18 suggesting that no more
petitions be accepted aftar these current petitions are handled and Mr.
vlrta concurred, adding that the only rezoning petitions t~at should be'
aco.pted by the County should be pun'., until after the adoption of the
zoning Ordinance.
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Chairman ÞlstQr asked ~r. Vlrta If he would submit a formal
recommendation to this effoct so that this could be acted upon during
the regular meetinq next week, and ~r. Vlrta agr~ed, ftddinq that thl.
would also apply to provisional uses and master plan approvals.
,COMMENT~ pno~ roo O^TF.S, CO^ST^L ~RF.^ PL^NNINO CO~~I~RION
Mr. Ed C~tes stated that he and the other member~ of the Planning
Agencle. share the frustrations of having specific work program.
beco~ln9 Wbogged down- bec~use of people In the Planning Department
leaving or becaus~ the work pr09ram. within the plannfnq Department ~ay
not be appropriately designated to that Dopartment, f.e. precinct work.
Mr. ·Oate. addressed the problem of Wturnover- fn the Planning
Department and outlined 80me comparative ealary level. for Planner. In
varlou. agencies and othar countle. In Florida I. exa~ple. of Why h.
doe. not teel that current entry-level sal~ri.. for planning po.itlon.
are competitive enoU9h to keep those po.ltlons filled and the people
working for the County. He .tated that planner t, tt, and ttt,
po.ltlon. are Inywhere from $1,000 - $1,500 at the Planner I level, to
$3,000 - $3,500 at the Planner ttt lovel, lower thin the.e other
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8gencl.s. Mr.~tcS .tated that thl., plus the high cost of living Aft,....
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poople In these .alary level., is causing the County a probleM.
Mr. Oates concluded hi. comments Ly noting that, while h.
understands the pressures that the Board are under regarding k.eplng
taxe. down, he believes that consideration needs to be made toward. the
concerns and a.sociated problems with personnel turnover In are.s a.
critical a. planning. '
county Manager Norman steted that he believe. that today's ..sslon
has contributed to an understanding of .ome problems related to
concerns of the Board regarding the {unction. of the Planning aria. of
the Community Development Division. He said that methods of solving
these problems have not boen decided, howevor. there ne.ds to be
certain priorities for work programs, as well as the Issues of salary.'
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He said that he is i~dicatlng to the p.oard that he intond8 to work with
tho Board toward. this end. Chairman pl8~or stated that he tooll .ur.
that the Board will be wSlltn~ to.cooperate and attend a ~imll.r
session as thi8 to considor solutions.
AD.10URN,..r.N~ - TIP-1F. t 't 37 P. M.
1here being no further busin.s. to consider during this Work.hop
Session, the meoting was ~djourned at 2.37 P.M. In order to reconvene
in Regular Se..lon and ~omplet. the agenda, having been rece81ed
earlier thl. date. ·
. Sev.ral Item. rolating to the above-referenced dl.cu..ion. during thl.
work.hop ....ion were acted upon during the afternoon ....Ion of the
R.gular Meeting
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