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Naples, Florida, September 27, 19B3
LET IT BE R~MEMB~RED, that the Board of County CommissIoners In
and for the County of Collier, and alao acting aa the Board of ZonIng
Appeals and as the 90Vftrning board(a) of Ðuch special distrIcts as have
boen creatod according to law and having conductod business herein, met
on this date at 9:00 A.M. in Regular S..slon in Building -,- of the
Courthousc Complex, East Napl.s, 'lorida, with the tollowln9 members
present:
C H^ I RMMh
VICE-CHAIRMANI
Mary-Frances Kruse
David C. Brown
John A. Pistor
frederick J. Voss
C. C. -Rod- Holland
ALSO PRESENT: Jameo C. Gll"., rhcal OfCicClf ElInor III. Sklnn!:r
and Mauroen Kenyon (11:OS A.M.) Deputy Clorkol Burt L. Saundura, County
Attorney Billy P. Bockett, .....I.tant County Manllgerl Terry Virta,
Com~unity Devcloµmvnt ^dginlatratoc Xnute Hart~an, Public Work.
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JlMministr.1tor¡ Irving 8urzon, Utilities ^dminiatratoc Donald Norton,
Public ~,,·rvlc.1I ^dr.alnllltrlltoCI /lonry Hill, ^d/lliniatrntor ot Mllliniatra-
tlve ::;'HvICC5¡ 148il Dorr!ll, l'ubl1c ~a(Hy Adminiatrator Nancy
1:; c",:1 lIIon. ^.JJII!nlatcðt.lvu Secretary to tllo Board, IInd Ocputy Chief
lI..ymond Ii.Hnett, :ihorl!!'1I l>opllrt_nt..
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ACE~DA - APPROVED AS AMENDED
Coaais.ioner Brown aoved, .econded by COftmis.ioner Vo.. and
carried un.ni~ou.ly, that the agenda be approved with the following
a.end."nts,
^. 9B (I) - Turnover roport for Solid Wa.to Depl. - Added.
B. 9£(1) - Contract for new County Forestor service. - Continued
lndefinitely.
c. 9E(S) - Addendum to the CETA AdmJnl»tration Controct and
~odiClcðtlons to the JTr^ plan - Added.
D. 12d(2) - ^pproval o( agroement with D.ltona Corp. providin9
conveyðnce by Warranty Deed of land to bo utilized for park
purposes on ~rco Island - Continue~ to October 4, 1983.
E. l2C - Dlscus.lon re floor .pace 1n Huildin9 -r- - Addod.
r. 120 - OIßcu&~lon of P~rcolatlon Ponda at .ew4go tre.t.ent
p:llnt In North Naple. Sewer Aro. -^- and )-'mH" funding _
AdcJcd.
G. 12l - Thrce ðPpointments to WMA8 - hd~cd.
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MIHUTES or SEPTEMBER 6, 1983 - "PPROVED AS PRESENTED
Co..i..ioner Plstor aoved, seconded by Co..I..loner Vo.s and
carried unanlaou.ly, that the .lnute. of Septe.ber 6, 1983, b. ,approved
a. pre.ented.
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ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR POSITION IN BUILDING COOl COMPLI~CI DEPT. _
EXEMPT FROM THE HIRING rREEZE
Co.~unlty ~veloµm.nt ^d~lni.trator Virta .aid the County
inspection rate 111 up con.iderably over a year ago and it Is i.portant
that the electrical Inapoctor ~ftltlon be f111d.
Coaals.ioner Plstor .oved, .econded by Coaai..ioner Vo.s and
carried unani.ou.ly, that the electrical In.pector position In the
Building Code Co.pliance Depart.ent be e.s.pt fro. the hiring frseas.
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ABSISTAJIT COUNTY MAMAGER nCIttTT TO RESEARCH rUNCTIONS or SOLID WABU.,., ..
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Public Worka Adaini.trator Hart.an reCerred to the Turnover ~e~r~
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for the Solid ~a.te Department for tho period of September IG, 1982 to
Septel:lbor 16, 198J, includoc1 in the agonda package, which indicates
there h,lYe been 12 .epar/ltlons during tht. period. 11. laid throe were
layoff. and thllt two wer~ durin'l the six month probatIon period. lilt
.aid that tho layoffs wero nece.aary to reduce oxpense of tho
operatton. 110 said thllt two peruona _ro dlschar<)ed with one being
disch.orqed durlnq the .1x ~onth probðtion period. Ho said one person
",a. to/!lporArlly omployed while IIn cmpJoYtJu WillS sick. 110 said th.:1t tvo
o( the thre~ pursons who left (or bctter jobs 1e(t durIng tho six month
probation period. CIlð1rm.on \ru:sq polntcu out thllt a 48' turnover rðto
t. hlqh and Mr. Hðrt~ðn .1r~od.
Responding to Commlsslonor 1I01hnd, Mr. lIartman laid that, in hi.
opinion, the workln<;¡ condItions lit tht' lllndflll and the NoJp1es Tranafor
Station lire dlc!lcult ond thðt tho titð!f ~Id not glv" thOKU persona
hlrt'd onoùqh lo'lmlll.:¡rlz.Hlon wit!, tl1q workin'l condltlona for the" to
ro"11%8 how dlUlcult thll work CDn be. Cor.ar.l1sslont'r lIoll.and .aid the
81tuðtlon In surl~u~ ynou~11 to Wllrrant II change bocllu~Q with /I 48\
turnovor Ulere In no Wl'IY th.Jt op"ratlng cost Cð~ be kapt down. Mc.
Hllrt~n s/lld on~ aolutlon ~I~ht bo to hlrc a bottor ð..lstðnt lor Mr.
fllhvy be~ðu8e tho ~tllt( Iß currontly Involvod with II considerable
amount o( stall work 1111 wall ..8 the day-to-dAY operlltlon. H~ said that
the ::it.}!! 1:1 currently workln.:¡ on II\MHlatory collection, dl:lf>Osltton of
the site on ~)~c:stJc ^vunu~ ðnd control ol thu lIIolld w.st~ atreoa which
will take consII.Jo.:rabl" th0U'1ht. CO/MIIi..loner Hollðnd C!xpro.lI~d the
opinion that t;tIC anti rc oporatlon o( t/.. Sol lei ¡'a.to ~...artJ:lent .hould
b~ look_d At Instcad o( hlrln~ any AIIS19tðnt. 110 s"ld he h4a rec.tved
cOl'lplalnts ,¡bout tl10 Gltuoltlol1.
Ch~lr~n Krus. .~Id thAt .nø ha~ Indicated to.the County ~na~or
4nd Mr. F4h~y her qrllvo concurn with th. operation o( the di..el
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engine. of the LCU duo to their .izo and compl~xity. Sho .ald she had
indIcated, in hor opinion, that i( anyone waa hirod to work on tho..
engine. it should not be the atðndard fleet ~aintenance group, however,
they havo boon working on thone englnos. Sho said sha had mcdu It
clear (rom the beginning that thqre was a potentIal prob1om and that
the engine. had to havo plro¡:.le working on them who knew what th.y were
doing and, she added, that Is not ^RA's field.
Commla.loner Voaa soid this situ/ltion Is on administrative
function and he recommendod that AssI.tant County Manager Beckett
investigate the sltubtlon. He sold it is not a function of the Bee to
get into the d.part~~nts other th~n to call attention to a problem.
Mr. Beckett .ald he would do GO.
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DONATION or TWO NEW ELEVATOR CABS FOR BUILDING ·f· fROM WEST COAST
ILIVATOR, IHC. - ACCEPTED. PURCHASE 0' FURNITURE PADS TOR SAMI _
APPROVED IN THE AMOUNT or $700
Public Safety Mmlnlstr'ltor Dorr1l1 uld that the project buðget
had not called for n~w Irlev/ltor cabs for building -,- a. a res~lt of .
study that Indicated thot the current cab. were structurally sound and
had tho capabllltle. to ~ov. quicker up and down tho elevator shaft.
and serve the olght floors and enhance their capabilitiea. He ..1d
that West Coast £levotor, Inc. Approached tho County and proposed an
initial cona.rvotlvc flqur~ In order to provide the County with two new
elevator cabs to enhance their overall tlnished product. He .ald, ln
hi. opinion, thú County did not have the buðget to acco~pliah that and
throuqh -horsotc,¡¡Jlng- tht! propoaðl has been reachod whor.by Weat Coalt
Elevator, Inc. haa o(fered to provide two nwv elevator cabs that would
have coat between $G,OOO and $10,000 at no Coat to the County. He aald
the COClpany has asked perJ:llaslon to dUx. slNIl placard Inside each :.;,;-"""
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be purchased for each cab for protection of the walls whon furniture i.
lIIoved.
Co..i..ioner Vo.. lIIoved, .econd~d by Comml.sioner Pi.tor and
carried unanimou.ly, that the BCC accept the donation of two new
elevator cab. for Building -F- from We.t Coast Elevator, Inc. with
thanks and apprecIatIon, and that two furnIture pad. be approved for
purcha.e in the amount of $700.
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ANNUAL BIDS '657 THROUGH '668 - AWARDED TO VARIOUS VENDORS
Logo1 notice having bo~n published in tho Na~lea Daily News on
July IB and 19, 19BJ, as evidenced by Affidavit of Pub1lc~tion filod
with the Clork, bids woro received for Bids '657 through '668 until
2:JO Y.M. August 17, 198J.
Responding to Ch~lrmðn KruH~, County Attorney Saundors sold it
would be approprlðtc to dct on lh~ annual bids as a grou~ unloss there
was 4 quostion on a particular Item. Administrator of Administrative
Services Hill pointed out that the Courthouse grounds maintenance Cor a
second y~ar in a row has come in approximat~ly 25' loss than was
budg"ted. Hospending to Conll:dssionor Voss, "1r. Hill said that thore 1.
moro thlln onu supplier ,on some o( the bld:! for oXII/IIple, on tools,
b~caus. tho .upplier~ providod lowor prices on dif(oront tools Cor
dlfferont departments.
Co..I..ioner Pistor lIIoved, seconded by Comals.ioner Voss and
c.rrhd unanilllous1y, that Blda '657 throu9h 1668 be awarded ..
indicated on the Executive Su...ry dated 9/15/03, aa reco..ended by the
Purchasin9 Director to be the lowest responsible bid in the beat
interost of the County and that the Chair.an be authorized to s19" and
the Clerk to attest the resultlnq a9re..ent for the. following It....
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Bid 1657 - Unifor.. Bid 1663 - Metal Culvert Pipe
Bid '658 - Gasoline , DiQul BId 1664 - Helicopter Spray
Fuels ServIce
Bid 1659 - Courthouse Grounds Bid 1665 - Sign Blank. and
Maintenanc:e Post.
8id '660 - Li.erock , rill Bid '666 - Gras. , rertillzer
81d 1661 - Aaphalt Itells BId 1667 - Aquatio Weed
Bid 1662 - Concrete Pipe Che.icals
Bid 1668 - Tools
Mr. Hill a.ked Cor approval to awðrd the annual contract for tires
which was not put out (or bid because of a sole source. Chairman Kruse
reCerred to the Executive Surnlllllry which explains thðt no other
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acceptable bidders have been idvntltiod who CDn ollcr the type. of odd
tires and service. that the County require..
Co..i..loner Pl.tor moved, seconded by Co~i..ioner Holland and
carried unanl.ously, that the annual contract for tire. be reneved vith
Naples Tire and Service Center.
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CONTINUATION OF AWARD OF BID .678 - AWARDED TO TAMIAMI FORD rOR
ALTERNATIVE BID FOR ^ 1984 FORD LTD IN THE AMOUNT OF $8,152.00
Chairman Kruao notod this i. tho continuation of the award of Bid
'678 for fleet Operðtions Vehicles fro~ the acc meeting of Septellber
20, 1983. She referreú to the Executiv. Su.~ry dated 9/22/83, which
contains the recommendation to award the alternative (or the Ford LTD
to Ta~laal ford in the amount of $8,152.00. Adminl.trator o£
Adllinlstratlve Services Hill said that a delllonstratlol'l wa. arranged for
thl. Itelll and that, while the Ford Tempo h A .ath(actory vehich, the
COIIIl\isslonera and Staff agreed that It would not bo a. comfortable as
it could be Cor four adults who might have to take 10n9 trip..
Co..i..loner Holland ~ved, seconded by Co..l.sioner Pistor and
carried unanillou.ly, that the alternative bid for a 19.4 rord LTD be
avarded to Ta.l..i 'ord In the ..ount of .',152.00.
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CUSTODIAN POSITION - APPROVED
Responding to Commissioner Voss, Mr. lilll said that currently
thero i. a te_porary abaenco in tho Custodial Dop.rtQent due to illnos.
.nd there is ~n Immodiate lack ot personnel. He said that tho
dep.rUnent ia porenniðl1y working undor-staffod and that tho Staff is
901n9 to take a lon~ look 4t contracting out custodial C4r~ in the next
year. He .aid thllt with the turnover th.t normally occurs in this
dopartment, due to people not wantinq to work lonq tenurQS of time, in
Sta!(s' opinion there will be a vacancy within a couple of months and
this will not bo a posltlon of hiring .o~eono .nd then looking to
dimnis. the/ll shortly.
Co~lssioner Vo.. .oved, .econded by Com.is.ioner Pistor and
carried unani.ou.ly, that the filling of the vacant cu.todian position
be approved.
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BID '~77 POR 250 ELECTIOH BALLOT KACHINES - AW~~DED TO ELECTIOM
SUPPLIES ~I"IT£D IN THE AMOUNT or $28,350
Leq.d not.ice h.vin~ bct'n published in the Nðples Daily Hew. on
Auqust 11, 1963, aM ovideneed by ~f(idavit o( Publication tiled wIth
the Clurk, bid, were accwptod (or bid ~577, (or 250 eloctlon ballot
[Ið chi no. , un t II 2 : J 0 P..'1. ^ u'J u s t 3 I, 1 98 3 .
Co.-issloner Brown aovod, .econded by Co.-i..loner Pistor and
carriod unanl.ou.ly, that Bid '677 for 250 election ballot ..chine. be
awarded to Election Supplle. Ll.itod, Nap., CIllfornla, In the aaount
ot $28,350, with trade-in o( 100 exiating booth., a. reco..ended by the
purcha.ing Director to be the lowest and responsible bid In the beat
interest of the County, and that the Chalr..n be authorIzed to a19n and
the Clerk to Attest the resultIng ~9r.e..nt.
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KR. JAMES L. HIC~ HIRED ON A CONSULTANT BASIS TO ASSIST IN EVALUATION
or INSURANCE BIDS
Ad~inlstrator of Administrative Service. Hill oxplained that
durin9 the month thAt thv InsurAnce policy haG boen out to bid the
Staff has learned ~ore ragArdlng tho optJon of Half-Insurance, which is
more properly called self-(undlng. Ho soid it i8 Staffs' opinion that
the r19ht people should be aVAIlab10 to better inform the BCC on this
option ÞeCAus. it looks like I more vIable option. Ho said that Siver
Ind Msociatu. will be reviewing tho bid specifIcation. lie requested
that Mr. Jðlll... L. HIck!>, Risk I'I.!Inðger Cor Lee County, look at tho bids
from I s"lf-insurl:r's p<:r:;¡:'.:ctlvCI ðnd be aVAil..'Ibl. for the BCC workshop
to enscuss the... Item". l<esl,0lluin9 to Chairman Kruse, Mr. Hill saJd
th"t Mr. Hicks 1.6 A LI:I: County employee and thAt this recommendatJon is
to hire him on an outs1du con5ultðnt bAsia, and he has ~ade arranCJe-
IIICInt5 with Leet County to do thlll.
Comllllsaiont:r Holland tlxprea5f1d his opposition Ind said that the
acc dirocted ataff In July to go out lor bid. for the s.me coverage
that the County currl!lItly hali /Jnd that now the BCC Is being told the
bid» will not be aVllil/lble until Septe~ber 30, 1983. H. said, in his
opinion, Still! ill ch^nglng pedley with this proposal. lie said that
there i. little dlfferonce betw.en the inforQAtion he road In the
newspaper on September 26, 198J, that was suqgest'd by Mr. llickfi, and
the In(ornotion on this subject thAt wa. reco~mendod by Mr. SJver. He
said he was not In favor of chðnqlng anything on the Insuranc.
.ituation until tho UCC recolves tho (acts and figure. that the BCC
voted to ask for. Cor.amlllslonor VOIIS said that ttu, specification. went
out aa the BCe directed and following that, there were .everal
JnquJries regardlnq aelf-Inøurancti. He .ald Mr. Hick. wa. a.ked to
come down and di.cu.s this and that he has peraonl1ly s.ked .everal
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by going to self Insurðnce. lie said, in his opinion, the County would
be derelict if øelt-inaurancu is not included ð8 an option. He said
that, while Mr. Siver Is competent in many kind. of insurance, in hiD
opinion, he CAnnot guide the County on 8elf-lnsurDnc~ bocause he has
not had oxperience in thnt situation. Chair~an Krusð ~akod if anyonv
has contacted Mr. Ray Dunn, the Statu Insurance Commissioner'u aide,
who come. to the Courthouse onco .a month, and Mr. /1111 sðld this was
not done becau:lc Uto1Cf hðs not reðchud thv point o( r:\lIking any
recommendations.
Co~mlasloncr Plstor said that tho insurance the County hða been
carrying 15 hll If wlIY to slllf Insurance. Mr. /U 11 IIgreed and uid that
the conventionlll ¡Jo 1 It: Y tho County currently hils i5 such that the
County is -blllllcally p/lyln') 1 tn 0"'" (ro Iryh t- and thlJ County is not part
of lIny lar'J~r group. lie 5,)lcJ that the only point in which thorc i. II
true insur~nce In II &cn~e of largo actuðrily basad protection Is II
$50,000 stofJ lost! or C:ðp. lie slIld ðl1 th... prumiums go to µðy tho
incurred 105n up to th/lt poln:.. Chlllrll\ðn Kruse oald she would be lIIore
comfortAblo It Somconv 11~1r Mr. Dunn wos ¡Jrus..nt to explaIn the option.
to tno ecc an an Ynbl~lIvcJ luvql on ð ~tllto wlJ~ basis.
Di5clJSlilon contlnuud ~ur¡I1'J "..hich Comll1lßsioner Vo.s said that 011
¡Jortlon of the monvy the County 10 currently payln<j Gull Insurance
Compllny to m.:. na'J " th~ Insurllnct 31tu.stion waul d be s.,vad undor . ..U-
insurancu program. He sllld that t.hv roa1 trick in alllt-lnsur~nce end
D.:Ivlng ~onuy Is to police tho cllli~8 and that la not wh~t 1. occurinq
at tho preSent t I,,,,.. Ii" Þaid th/lt 1s why he i. rlllcollllllonding .1 Risk
Mðnðgcr who ~uld do this.
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COIllIllIS.10n.H Holland conC:und",d th.t the insur"nclt clðim. h.v. b.en
IIIlahandlod IInd th,)t he 15 opposetd Lo hirinq .Ollloon", e1&e for ~h.
bW« uTi rACE 631.
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Co..issioner Voss moved, seconded by Commissioner pistor anð
carr~ed 3/2, with Co..issioners Holland and ~ru.. oppos.d, that Mr.
J.... L. Hick. b. hired on a con.ultant ba.i. to a.sist the BCC during
the workshop 1n evaluation of the insurance bids that are due Sept..ber
30, 1983, and that Mr. Siver and Mr. Dunn also be pre.ent at that
workshop.
Chairman Krusc said, for the record, that h~r opposition i. that,
in her opinion, this situation ~hould havo boen handled for next year's
insurance ðnd not lit this late limo. No datu Cor. tho workshop was
dote rl:\inuù.
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ANNUAL REPORT BY CHRIS ANDERSON, COLLIER COUNTY FORESTER - ACCEPTED.
Collier County forcoter Cheis Anderson presented his annual report
a. outlined in his letter d~ted September 10, 1963, included in the
agenda. He said that the five major divisions in which he spends hi.
time are Urban Forestry, Educational actlvitie~, rorest Management,
Fire Control and Insvct and Dlsual. control. He explaineõ current
projects such AS An Inventory program with ~he lethal yellowing
aituðtion and the! County Parks developMent. He uld that a method of
reporting And iliA king his s~rvices available to thè County departments
has been improved over the llllOt year 50 that his .ervice. can be I114de
readily available to the County. Responding to Commissioner Vo.., he
.aid he has spent approxlmðtely l800 hours in Collier County in
training aclivil1t:s, mCCltlngs and spec1!ic work projects. He explained
that Collier County contracts with the Florida DIvision of fore.try to
provide a forestvr to advi.e in a technical way on envIronmental
concern. and other are.s and that tho amount the County pays fund. a
portion of his .-oslt.ion in co1l1or County. lie said that tho other
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portion of his contract i. covered through state and federal fund..
Mr. ^oderson said that the Commissioner of ^griculture and
department hO.lds are in tho procoss of getting his contract r,udy find
providing it to Collior County. He aaid it will bu retroactive to
October 1, 1983. Hesponding to Chairman Kruso, he agrQQd that the 8CC
could contlnuð with status quo on hid contract until the document
arrivos. Mr. Anderson said that that he will bo Dssigned tu1l timo to
Collier County and thoro will bo an incro^so from $l,500 to $3,000 for
the contract. Chairman Kruse asked Mr. Anderson Lo got tho contract to
staft as soon as it lsavailab1e so that Staff con add it to tho
agenda.
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REORGANIZATION or CETA/JTP^ OFFICE - APPROVED AS RF.COMMENDED
Public Survlcus Aumlnlütrator Norton explained thiG it~m i. a
rccommondot10n for th~ r~or~anizatlon of tho curront CETA which will be
renamed th~ Job Training Partnorship ^ct (JTP^) oC(ic~ a~ of Ocotber 1,
1983. He sdld Colll~r County lu ro~ponslblu for 0 four county Service
Dolivery Area th.:lt inclu'Jes Collier, Ch,Hlotte, Hendry and G1ados
Countlus. He uld that four Privata Inductry Council (PIC) meetin9s
hllve bðen huld ðnd that the PIC votlld that, in the CASO of Hendry and
Glðùos County, tll.:ro will be ð Bub-contr.:l<:tor which ill ,\qriculture
Labor progr.:.tm, Inc. (ALPI). I/o !lAid th.:t the slIrvice deliverer will be
the current CLTA o!fico and that no County (unds will be Involved tn
this. lie said tho r<1commondations 01111 outlined in the Executtvft SUllllllðry
d.Jtod 9/20/03 will bu tho upqrac1in') of two positions and the addition
of two posltion3 because of the incroa.ed responsibility.
CORaissioner Piator .oved, seconded by Co..ls.ioner Vo.. and
carried unani.ously, that the reorganlzaton of the CETA/JTPA office be
approved as contained in tho Executive Suamary dated 9/20/83.
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TRIAL PERIOD or 90 DAYS rOR MR. RON JAHRO TO REORCANIZE THI COLLIrR
COUNTY MUSEUM - APPROVED. VETERANS' SERVICES SECRETARY - APPROVED
UNDER AN AGREEMENT WITH JTPA rOR A 50' REIMBURSEMENT ARRANaEMENT WITH
THE COUNTY IN THE AMOUNT or $8,519
Public Services Admlnlstrðtor Norton offered an a1ternativo
proposal req~rdln9 the reorganization of the County Museum from the one
outlined in the Exucutlvo £ummary doted 9/19/83. He expl~ined that the
Staff c10arly wantG to toke the same opproðch In turms o( increa.inq
the volunteer effort IInd tn~t the members o[ tho Colliur County
HistoriclIl sociuty have IndlclItcd that they want to bo involved. Ho
.aid that Mr. Hon Jðmro, in tho Personnel Dopllrtment, has II Mdstera
Degree in history ðnd Mr. Huth f('cla hc could otfer a groat deAl of
pro(es.lonðl sUl'tJ0rt 011 0 temporary b.aals. Mr. Norton said that rather
than taklnq the promotional action ,lt this time he requested that the
Bce authcrlze thu tcm~orary a651gnmont o( Mr. Jamro to coordinate the
volunteer prolrem in the MUßeum and t.. change the ulrection of it to
~ake sure thoro ala contlnuod public service. in that area.
H..por-ding to Commlu510ner Pi.tor·s question about financing Mr.
Ja~ro'. salary, Mr. Norton snld the arra~~.ment ~uld bo a slvlng.
because the ~useum Clor~ would not be promoted immediately. He said
Ulðt Mr. Jalllro'a aalðry woulu bo the sarn a. currently bud?eted snd
thot item could be left In t.he Personnel Department. He s~ld there
WCJuld bu no cho.lnge in M:tU.)} dollar amounts. Mr. lIill said he sat in
on tho meeting whero this situation was discussed and that ~r. Jaero
volunteered to te~o over this effort. He .oid that it was dlscus.ed,
at thðt IIICI.tinq, that Mr. Jð/torO'¡¡ reapon.ibll1t1ua in tho Per.onnel
Depðrtment we r. !1 rat. and for.,moat. lie said that Mr. JI.ro hila been
IQðdo aware that hIs ra..,onslbil1tie. to the p.rsonne1 Depart¡.ent would
take precedonce and that he loIOuld be available in " leas than full tS..
ba.I. to the Museu. and also durIn9 the evenIng, and he added that Mr.
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Jamro ia willing to do this in addition to hi. Qxisting dutie..
Responding to Commissioner Piator, Mr. HIll sði~ that Mr. Jamro 1.
volunteerIng to do a certain ð~ount of tho work unpaid.
CODaissloner Pi.tor moved, seconded by Co~ml.sloner Voss and
carried unanimously, that a trial period of 90 days for Mr. Ron Jamro
to reorganize the Collier County Mu.eu~ be approved.
Mr. Norton said that tho Vetcr~ns' ~Qrvjccs Cecretary is a
position thðt has been funded through CETA funds and is ncudcd. 110
said that tho cucront person Is working out well. 110 roco.,lmendod thðt
this position be hlrud 'by the County under an <!grccmenl with tho JTPA
office for <1 50\ reimbursoment ðrrangement.
COII.issioner lIolland moved, seconded by CO/llJll1aa1oner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the Veterans' ServIces Secretary be Gpproveð
under an agree.ent with the JTPA office for a SOt rei/llbursellent
arrangement with tho County in the amount of $B,5l9.
Item -114
ADDEND~ TO THE CETA ADMINISTRATION CONTRACT AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE
JTPA P~N - APPROVED
Public SQrvlcoa ~~!nls~rQtor ~orton said this item consIsts of
minor modifications to tho C~T^ ^dmlnlstratlon Contract ~nd the JTPA
¡.¡lan.
Co~ission.r Holland lIoved, seconded by Co~issloner Pistor and
carriod unanimously, that tho addendum to tho CETA Administration
Contract and the DOdItications to the JTPA plan, as described In the
Executive Summary dated 9/23/83, be approved.
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COWTRACT WITH U. S. CEHSUS BUREAU TO CONDUCT SPECIAL CENSUS - APPROVED,
PROPOSED BUDGET AMEN~!NT - APPROVED IN THE AMOUNT OF $25,0001 INITIAL
$20,000 CONTRIBUTION FROM NAPLES COMIIIUNITY HOCPITAL - ACCEPTED.
RECONVENED: 10100 ^.~.....
Administrative Moist~nt Bolley oxplainod this Item 1ø a result of
a request by th~ Stoff on July 7, 19U3 to contact the Census Bureau to
conduct a Spacial Census, tho main purpose of which would be to gain
Metropolitan Statiatica1 ^rt!(J (M5A) støtus for Collier County. He 8lIid
this would grant local 90v~rnmont. anù other agencios increased funding
1evlII"" In c(.'rtldn progf.¡n1li. II!! r,,(erred to the Executivft Summary dated
9/16/83, which outllnet; ttlU benefits, a financing plan and 41 proposal
of attlllnlng M5A stùtu£.
Commisaloner rlstor said that the N~plus Community Hoapita1 has
qenero~laly ðqrecd to contrlbut~ a propor aharo of tho money needed for
this Special Cen~us, b~CðUSQ uvcrybody in thu County will benefit from
any DcJcJit10nDl monoy the tioafJlt(l rccuivII.. Ife said that Collier
County ~ay rccelvo $33,433 from Stote Hcvonue Sharing ~nd the çounty I.
a»ked to pay G25,OOO toward the expcnso of the census. He said that
the City ot Naples ~ay rccuivo $)50,000 Crom tha Community Dovelopment
Block. Grant Progr4/!l and Yilt thcy are .sked to pay $25,000 ",Iso. fl.
commented on the way. thw City 18 a~l. to co11.ct.~oney (or ~~rvlces
which are not available to thu County.
Commissioner VOl. said th.:Jt 1! the anticipðtl,Jd benetlts that the
threll bodies will gain ar~ considered on a percentage ba.is Naple.
CO/lmunity lIospltnl would PIlY $126,000 and they have ocrered to ~y
$130,000 which i& 7!t. liot uid thllt the City of "aplea would receive
27.3\ which would UII .ppro.>Clmately $0;9,000 thct they should pay and
Collicr County would roc.lve 2.6\ and ahould only PIlY $5,000. u. ..ld
that, In hi8 opinion, the County i. buin9 ovorly 'ilenltrous. IIIr. Holley
said that the finðncin9 plan was not bllsed on a percenta90 ba.l~ to
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which commisfJionwr Voss sAid, in his oJlnion, it should ha'lt.' boen. Mr.
Holley s"lel tll~t tho bcnufits derived from the MSA deslqnation portaln-
In~ to the Community Development Ulock Grant proqram is difficult to
.atlrnoto.
110 cxpl.:llnnd th.H the 5tðCf u~ed C4;150 ontitl<:ment funds thllt
have beun ~rovldcd to cltiea of similar size, howover, it Is based on
poverty lev"ls within thoa~ cltlea And It is difficult to t/)ko one city
and try to osscsa povurty leveln. lie lðid tho City of Nð¡..les could
gain entitlement lunds AS low AS 5100,000 or QU high AS G350,000.
Ollllrman Xruse adld that tho ~rimary rcci~icnt of funds will
probably bu the hos~ltðl ~hich will bwnefit IIIl County and City
ro»lù"nta.
~he Agreed with Comrnlusionerll Voss and Plator reqðrdlng the
City'!! contribution. RcspondlnrJ to COlllmioslonor VOU.I, Mr. !Jolley said
that tho 1982 eutl~te by the Buslnells Economic Roacllrch ~ection o( the
Unlvlltrslty of "lorlda, which SClld!! W.:Illhln,gon florida's estm~te, was
98,094. He :laid thdt \,.uhlnc;ton, D.C. will m.,kc their 0..." estImate
Cro~ that !i9uro .:Inù ~^~hln9tons estimate will bu out In October. Ho
sold thðt th"r~ 15 ð I~D"blllty, when tho Census BureAu provideø tholr
t1st!I:1.:1te oC tho: populðtlon 01 Coll1or County, that the County will 9ð1n
:"\:>^ :Hðtus and that WQu1J r)ðpJotn lit the en'l of Oclo::>er or thœ first
p"rt ot Nov"rJb..r.
lIe :;,110 tldli r\:<¡ut:'st Is to provide tho 1nlc.l.Jl
In5tll11mont to <Jct the IJp.:cl.d '::lJnlillll IIt.Hult movln'J IInd If th. M:J^
st.:ltuli ili qillned n'!xt r.1onth, U)d prOl:\!IiS .::.:.n be stoppod ðl\U whdtll!ver is
not spent the County would 911!t bðCk.
Coaai.aionor Pistor Daved, .econded by Co..l..ionor Vo.., that the
contract with the United State. Cen.u. Bureau to conduct a SpecIal
Cenaua lor Collier County be approved that the propo.ed budget
..endDont lor the Special Census b. approved in the a.ount of $25,000,
tbat the Initial $20,000 contribution fro. the Napl.. Co..unlty
Hoapital be accepted a. the flr.t installment to the C.~.u. Bur..u and
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~. tb.t tho Star! be authorized to contact the Cit~ of Napl.. and Napl..
Co..unlty Hospital to aocure r.maining funds nec..sary to complete the
Special Cenaus.
Mr. MIke Zewa1k apoku in .upport of thI. propoaal. He commended
Hapl.. Community Ho&~ltal as one of the fineat in the state to whIch
Co~mi..ioner piator agreed.
Upon call for the queation, tho motion carried unani~ou.ly.
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RESOLUTION 83-172 AUTRORIZING USE or FLORIDA BOATING IMPROVEMeNT
PROGRAM rUNDS rOR THE CITY or NAPLES MUNICIPAL DOCK FACILITIES PROJECT
- ADOPTED WITH A PLEDGE or $25,000 or SAID rUNDS FOR FOUR YEARS
Administrativo Aldd Holley said this item is thø second request by
tho City of Nnplcs for Boating Improvement Funds for the construction
of the City dock. Ho said ct this time thore are no projects that are
competlnq for the funds that arc being requosted by the City of Naples
and he added thoru dre boats within tho City that contribute to the
County Trust fUnd in Tðllðhðsseo.
Co..lssioner Voøa moved, seconded by Comml.sioner Brown and
carrlod un.nl~ou.ly, that Resolution 83-172 authorIzing the use of
Florida Boatin9 Improve.ant Pr09ra. Funds for the City of Napl.a
Municipal Dock 'acilitles Project be adopted with a pledge of $25,000
of aaid funds for fours years beginning in August 19B5 and ending In
Auçust of 1989.
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TEMPORARY ELECTRIC UTILITY EASEMENT TO 'LORIDA POWER , LICHT COMPANY
'OR THE COUNTY REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM - WATER TREATMENT PLANT SITE _
APPROVED
Co.-is.ioner Brown moved, seconded by Co..i.sioner Voss and
carried unanimoualy, that the temporary electric utility ea.ement to
Florida Pover , Light Company for the County Regional Water Sy.te. _
Water Treatment Plant Site be approved.
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R£SOLUTION 83-l73 AUTHORIZING ~GR!!MENT WITH ASSOCIATED UTILITY SER-
VICES, INC. AS CONSULTANTS FOR CCURRO - ADOPTED. AGREEMENT - APPROVED
County Attorney Saundors explaIned that tho CCURRB revIewed l~n
request aa outlined In the £xocutlve Summary dat.d 9/19/83, and are
.sklng BCC approval.
Co__isslon.r Pistor mov.d, s.conded by Com.i..lon.r Voss and
carried unanimously, that ResolutIon 83-l73, authorIzIng the agre.m.nt
with Associated Utility Service., Inc. a. con.ultant. for the CCURR8 in
r.vi.wing .nd pr.paring the inltial rate applic.tlon forms, appropriate
schedule. and other .upporting documents be adopted at a cùst not to
exceed $3,000 and that the Agreement b. approved.
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DIRECTOR or ENGINEERING TOK ~UC~ TO RETURN TO HIS POSITION AND ASSIST
THI UTILITï DIVISION PROG~ RI THB OPERATION OF THB HEW COUNTY
REGIONAL WATER PLANT ON AN AS-NEEDED BASIS
Asøiatant County M4nager Beckett .aid that Engineering Dir~ctor
Kuck has buon on a temporary ~..ignment to the Utility Division and ho
has requested to return to hi. duties in the engineerIng Departmont
with thv proviso that h. will ~int4in the contact and provide
asslstanc~ to th~ Utility Døpðrtrnent whenever it is requested.
Com.iaaionor Vo.. .oved, aeconded by Co~lasioner Pi.tor and
carried unani.ously, that Engine.ring Director Tom Kuck r.turn to hi.
poaition and that he a.aiat the Utility Divi.ion Program with regard to
the operation of the new County Regional water plant on an a.-needed
baais .
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UTILITIES ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT RE OPERATION OF TH! NEW COUNTY
REGIONAL WATER P~T. COUNTï ATTORNEY TO INVESTIGATE CONTRACT WITH
CH'M HILL Rt ENGINEERING CHARGES
Utilities Admlnl.trator 8erzon roported that at the pro.ent rate
ol progruns the County RQqlon~1 kator Plant will b. r.~dy for operation
on at IOð~t a llmltod basis in the ~iddle a! Decembor, 1983. He said
that /li'pllc.1tlons hdve 'boen 1101 1I.:i tad for Cl~.s ^ oporator. ðnd two
appllc~tlons ~re on hllnJ. 11o a~ld applications have been recoived from
two Claus tI o¡'>lIr.Jtors "nd t\<o Clad. C oporûtorø. lie lIu9ge.tvd that at
least one ~nd possibly t~Q of th.s. applicants bo hired befora tho end
o[ OCtober and hava th~m work In the plant aa tho final Installation of
tho inatrumftnt~tlon dnd some of the olectrlcal equipment i. baing dono.
Ho said, in tho contrllct with the consultllnta, there are arrangement.
for start-up and th~y will turn over oporational manuals to tho County.
lie said that hll dnd DOmbvr. of hi. staU hsve wi tno..ed moat of the
conatruction ðnd tho critical ele.onu ot tho phnt will bfo the
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.." lnstrumentation and the process control, which .,,111 be9in ln the next
two or three ~eeks. He soid that the ~Coromuntion.d positions are
provlded as part of tho opuroting budC)et for 1983-64, of tho plant. tIe
sald, with Dce concurrence, he would liko to have one or two of tho
tho.. positlons tIlled in the next two or three ~o.ka and shortly
thereaftor to begin monnlng the remaining IIta£! that would be n..clod at
the plant. lie said that a fe~ months ago he wan approached by an
operAting firm thAt. does opuration41 work on a contract basis and that
they are prepôring a proposal for the County. tie said they ~ou]d offer
the s.rvIc.s of as ~any pco~lc as Dr. n~edcd for the length of timo
nece.sary to get the plant opvrating ond would train the County
employee., if necessary. 110 ..,ld if thll County finds that tho right
two persons ðre not a\lAilllble to Btort the operation of the plant these
servlces would be aVdllablu on ð contract b~als.
Chairman Kruse roferred to a mell10 dated 9/20/83, that indicated
that CH21'1 Hill'. bill connu~ted with hor ðgriculture \ofIt11 was going to
bo reduced because of their Input within it. She said it was unclear
if the total .:Jmount of the bill wa IS solely r.,lnted to tha t portion of
engineering baRcd u¡:.cn the exlnting ^griculture we 11. She .ald if the
total bill Iota. ralated to it, in h.r opinbn, the f1 rill should no t be
paid at all bcclluae they Iotore wrong. She sald thát till' South Florida
Water Kðna<Jv~cnt DIstrict and ~lasimer and ^ssocietea sald they ~re
~rong and sho asked thðt thet situation be checked. County ^ttorney
saundora saId that lt _~s hia un~erst.ndlng thnt tho totAl .~ount waa
for tho tlxtrð en',lnecrlncJ to 'Whir-II Mr. borzon I<;rcecJ. Chllrllln Kru.e
sold, In her opinion, the County should not pay for incorrect
engineerinq. Ço~mls.ionor Vos~ agre.d. R..pondin9 to Chair..n Kru..,
Mr. Slunders sAld he would check the contrAct lnd the englnoerlng !lra
end report bDck to the öCC.
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BIDS .679 RI WATER SERVICE SADDLES, 1681 RI SINCLE METER BOXES AND .682
RI BRASS rITTINCS AND MATERIALS FOR ANNUAL CONTRACTS FOR THE COUNTY
WATER DIVISION - AWARDED TO VARIOUS VENDORS. AWARD or BID 1680 -
DEFERRED FOR THREE WEEKS
Utilitios Admlnistrdtor Ber%on rofcrred to the Exocutivo Summari.s
tor Bid 1679 ùated 9/20/UJ, Bid .GOO dated 9/19/63, Bid 1661 dated
9/16/83, and Uld .682 dðted 9/16/83 for Dnnu~l contractß for tho County
Water Divl~lon which Indicdt~ that bids wore rocelvod until 2:00 P.M.
on Sept(mber 7, 1983, from vacioua vondorll. He said he received a
comment by mail (rom ono of th. othur bidders for Bid 1680 that stated,
in t.h~t blddar's o~lnlon, that tho low bidder, Rockwell Intornational,
did not ~uet tho specifications. Ho said he has doubts as to whether
that objectIon is valid, however, hu requ~sted that ~ld .680 be
duf.rrod for thro~ weeKS while he Invoatigatus the situation and added
ho 10'0,'1 rO[)Qrt back to thu IJCC on the subject. He s.,id thIs bid is
for thu largo meters and thure 19 not tho urgency nbout th~m os thore
mlqht be for the 5mð]l~r muter~.
Com.iaaioner Piator aoved, .econded bï Com.is.ioner Brovn .nd
carried unaniaously, that Bids '679 re water aervlce saddles, '681 re
.ingh ..eter boxes lu\d '682 re brðs. fittings .ond a"ter1ala for annual
contract. for tho County Wator Dlvi~ion be awarded to various vendors
a. explained in the aforementioned Executive 6ummarioa.
Coami.sionor Voss moved, .econded by CO.Di..ioner Brown and
carried unanimously, that Bid '680 re annual contract. for water .eter.
be deferrod for three weeke.
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ROUTINE BILLS - APPROVED FOR PAYMENT
Pursuðnl to Resolution 61-1S0 the fol10~in9 ch~ck. w.r. I.aued
throuqh Septembor 23, 1903, in paymont of routlno billol
CII1:C!< DESCHI P1'IOH
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BUDGET AMENDMENTS 83-86~ THROUCH 83-896 - ADOPTED
fi.cal Officer Cil.s .aid he ha. a.ked that E. W. Siver'
A.aociate. appe.r before the acc at 1130 P.M. thl. date to ~lve theIr
reco.mendation re9ardin9 bid. receIved on property/Liability Insurance
lor 10/1/83-e6.
Co..i..ioner Pi.tor .oved, .econded by Co~l..loner Vo.. and
carried unaniMou.ly, that Budget Amend.ent. 83-889 through 83-092 be
adopted .. pre.ented.
Co.-ls.ioner Vo.s .oved, .econded by Co..i..ioner Brovn and
carried unanl.ously, that Budget Amend.ent 83-893 be adopted a.
pre.ented.
Co..is.lonor Pi.tor Moved, .econded by Co.-I..ioner Vo.. and
carrIed unanl.oualy, that Budget Amend.ent. 83-894 through 83-896 be
adopted .. pre.entod.
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MOTION TO INVESTICATE "IRINO A RISK MANACER - DENIED
CommissIoner Vo.. SAId that if the County 90e. to self-insurance
on the health inøurðnce, .. the County currently 1. sol! insured on
Workman. CoÞpensatlon, in his opinion, it is imperative that the County
h.we a cO/llpetent Riak M.1nager. 110 IIIld thllt although this matter will
not be settled until 80metime In October, in hIs opInion, the Staff
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would handle the health insurance and Work/llllns CompensatIon which Mr.
CA11agher 1. curront1Y'handllng lor the County.
Coaai..loner Voss .oved, seconded by Comaisslonor plstor, that
.taff Start looking for a Ri.k Manager to hIre In the event the
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Chaltman Kru4a stated (or the record that ahe llOuld have to voto
a~aln.t the motion because ahe cannot hire someone (or a position that
does not oxlat.
County Attornoy Saunders øaid thAt in the Clark'G Report thero 1.
a letter !ro~ E. w. Sivor talking about the lIability and proporty
damage covorage for the Coun~y. He ~aid that Mr. Siver raco.mend. a
program which Inc1uJes aOllle self insurance. II" a..lid, In his opinIon,
in determining whether self insurance is .dvisab1~ Cor tho liability
portion, for tho Individual who runa off II County road and sue. the
County bucause tho streots \lOre not proporly .Alntainud, that. thero S.
ð naed to det~rmino what t.he c1alœs history ha. boen ovor the past
couplv ot yoars and how much ha. boon paid in clal.. and how .uch by
tho insuranc. companies tor attornoys' fooa and how Much the County'.
promiur.ls are. 110 aald th"t Mr. Sivur'. roport do.. not include any of
thAt in(ormation and h. said tho.. Items should bo Investigated
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bocauaa, in hi. opinion, the liabilIty covoraqo Is an Imporant
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Upon call for the que.tlon, the motion fllleð 2/3, with
Co_i..loner. Holland, Brown and Kruse opposeð.
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WORKSHOP SCUEDULED fOR OCTOBER 11, 1983, RE ALLOCATION OP PLOOR SPACE
1M BUILDING ·f-, COST ESTIMATES TO FINISH THE 8TH FLOOR AND DISPOSITION
or MOBILE TRAILERS AT THE COU~THOUSE COMPLEX
Commi.sloner Voss Baid someone should take a good look at the
overall ruquirements of tho department. in Building -F- anù provido a
firm plan for locating the vllrloul d.part~ants. Ro.ponding to Chair~ðn
J<ruso, Mr. Dorrill said thðt ðS part of the original projection of need
the Staff, with tho holp of the conGtruction ~anDg~r, a programatic
effort to de(lnu spaceD for 5, lO and 15 yoars for all of tho Bee
activities DB woll ~& the Constitutional Officer.' activities wa. made.
He said th~ro was a Uluo Hibbon Citixens Committee selected to vi:lt
each d.p~rtment nnd review those nocds and that matarial is available.
He said t.h"rc will be Vllcðtod spaco on the first floor of Building -r-
Ind that the 8th floor will be shelled In and this could be fini.hed
and occupied, at D reùuced cost. Al.o, thore will be a nu=ber of
mobile officvs that will be vacated al a result of the JustIce Center
completion. lie said he agreed that tha situation needa to be reviewd
a9ain and a ~lan neods to be ~de for the vacant .pace. and that, In
hi. opinion, tho HCC hðs an obl1C)ðtlon to ensure, a. 4 rOlult of the
completion of the Justice C~nter, th~t Bce activities receive lome
priority in tor~Q of additional space. 110 said a plan i. ne.ded to
detur.ine what will be done with the .oblle buildings and where they
.ay be relocated to .erve the County bettor.
Co.mlaøioner ristor sU9ge.ted that a workshop be held on this
subject. Mr. Dorrill ..id that the allocation ot curront .pace i.
under the juri.diction of Ma'l1nlstrat1v. Sorvic.. and Mr. H111. I'.e
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8aiJ, in his opinion, it would bo prudent to provide the BCC with the
coat infor~~tion, thro~h Chango Ordors, to fInIsh the Bth floor of
Building -f- and in(ormatio~ ahowlng tho v~catod space. In BuildIng
and the mobile offices that will be avaIlable as D rosult ot the
comp1otIon of the Justic~ Centor, wIth 10gic~1 analysis from tho
original allocation that will show a list of those areas that have the
most critical nevd in terms of the original apace progr~~. Rosponding
to Commissioner Holland, ~r. Dorril1 said that the original project was
modified bocGuøe it included expansion of actlviti~ø to include Dee
departmonta to meet the initial 5 yoar needs. Ho ø~id tho Staff
subsoquont1y deforred all activities and any space requirements under
the BCC to targ"t only toward Justice Centtlr recjuirem.nts. Ife saId
that policy will havo to bo changed if the acc fec1ø their activities
ar~ deserving of additional space.
It was the consensue of the Bee that a workshop be scheduleð for
the Constitutional Offlcera and the Bce Gtaff for October 11, 1983 at
1130 P.M. or at the conclu.lon of the Bee .eetlng regardIng .allocation
of floor apace in Building -,- and cost estl.ates to fInish the 8th
floor and dispo.ition of mobile trailers at the Courthouse Complex.
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REPORT RI USE or PERCOLATION PONDS IN COLLIER COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT -A-
- NO ACTION TAKEN
Chairman Kruse referred to a latter from DER datød 9/l9/Ð3,
8tatln~ that the County had not co~p1.ted the CertifIcate of CompletIon
by th~ timo the percolation ponda were put into u.. at the .ewA98
tr.:at.nont p1'ant in :';owor Dilltrict -A- and that anothGr condition of the
per~it enquired tho County to retain the engineor of r_cord for
inapection oC the projoct. She said that the letter further stated
that the vn9inotlr is required t.o inspect tor conforllllty to construction
permit ðp~lic.tion. .nd .søocloted documents and that recont conver..-
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tiona with the on<)!.neor of ret'o~d lncHcatea this was not dono. Sho
.aid that the letter also stated that, .s of the date of tho inspec-
tion, the sowage trUGtment plant did not have a flow moter which is
requIred by Florida law. She said that It ia hor understanding that
there wa. a meoting on 9/26/û3, and that the.e Item. have been worked
out with DI;R to which Ut1l1tio. Mm1n1otrator 8erzon ru.ponded affIrmA-
tively. She pointed out that there i. an engineer of record baing paid
on that job, the County operation running tho plant and a project
consultant paid to ~nÐge tho proj~t't nnd, In her opinIon, one of them
should have not1fi~d D~H thllt tho porco1atlon ponds wore open. She
said it waø har underattlntllng thlJro 10';'111 an oClergency, however, that DER
should have been noli!lod.
Mr. ücrzon explaInod lhill tIlt' cm.rCJcncy wa. the result of the
heavy rains that occurred around Lllbor Day. Ha related the sequence of
evonts that resulted in the pondn being open and his coversntlon with
tho project man"gcr. lie saId that the overflows were vorklng and that
the wator lovel. wore rising and some erosion could have occurred, In
hi. ustir.lðtlon. It ""tI. a prudent act on the part of whomevor dcclded
to use tho pond., he ø~id.
RegArding notifying the DER, he saId that
-everyone dropped thu ball- because it wa. never 'ntended to place the
pondø into activo sorvIce other than as a relhf .ea.ure. He saId that
once this situation waø pointed out to the DER, in hIs opinion, the
.atter was rosoh·cd. 110 SAid thot. tho key problem thAt the DE~ faced,
which WOIS brouqht to the ~ta!f.' att"ntion over a wek aqo, was that
th.re .eemed to be 0 lÞck of wi11In9ne.. on tho part of the consulting
engineer and the project manllgor a. to who was going to comply with the
requirements of algn1n9 off on the project. He said that this had been
resolvcd even before the DER rAised the objectIon whIch was poInted out
at the ~oetln9 of 9/26/63. He Aðld that the 'low~etor did 90 out of
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servIce approximAtoly thre, or four day. before the DER inspection and
that thio is .tI phce of ttquilJlllont that cannot be ropairedin tho stato
without. lot of ag9ravatlon which has boen experieneed in tho past.
He said that hu has assurod D~n that the County will qet ~ new
flowmeter.
Chairm4n Kruse ~grued that -somebody droppod the ball- and said
that it i. not p1øð.~nt for tho Ch~irman of the BCC to receive this
kind of letter (rom tho DEn. Mr. Berzon said that whenevor thero 1.
any typo o( breakdown his department notifies the DEn and alao when the
condition Is corroctud. Chalrman Kruso aakod Mr. Berzon to contact tho
projoct m4nðg~r and ð6k him to -pay attention to tho rules of the qamo-
in tho tut~rol.
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COUNTY ATTORNEY DIRtCTED TO INVESTIGATE OPtNINC DISCUSSIONS WITJI MR.
DREW, STATt DIRECTOR, r.HA, RE LOAN rUNDS FOR WATER-SEWER DISTRICT
5!RVIC! AREA -A-
Cl4irm.n Kruso roferred to a lettor datod 9/11,/83, from Btato
Dlroctor Mitchull N. Druw, fmH~, to Mr. Borzcn, øtatinq thAt the
:i1,500,OOO fr:aH^ funding (or tho n.Hor-Selllor D1Atrlct Servlce ^rea -A-
hða been _lthdrðwn. Utll1tlus ~DiniøtrAtor aerzon said that was
..:orroct and rofurrold to . IIIOQOr4nr!\J he sent rcgardin9 this subjoct
dc.tod 9/19/0). 110 ul~ that, In hi. opinion, tho 'rlH^ teoh that
Colll~r County doeB not nQud tholr holp. Responding to ChAir~n
KrUDO'. Guuation concernlnq whothcr thl. could have been avoided by
buglnning tho other ~xpðnølon at the .ð~O tl~. or by vftlldetin9 the
bon<.ilJ, Mr. tWr%on ..lId ttlllt the bond valid4tlon we. tho bl9gest thinl
thAt conc"rn..d the rll~I/'. He said that the County can proceed with the
proqrQQ with tho Qxception of 4ddln9 a second ~illion 9allon oxpansion
to tho plant lQmodiAtely, hOW9ver, wIthin tho next YCdr to fift.en
months th. County prOÞðlrty wtll t?e 1n .. posl tion to do t.hat ..nd at .
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bonds should hnvo boen 5\ bonda, although FmllA'ø policy hos chlln90d on
that and that he could not soy with certaInty tho bonds would hove beon
5\. He "oid hn ho. tr lad to obtaIn the loon.
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Reaponding to Chairmon Kruø., Mr. Berzon ..Id he .sked for
volidatlon on thl. project In ^ugust, 1982. lie saId ho suspects that
when the objection for tho origInal permit was filed In September 1982
there mIght have boen good reason to hold bock untIl the settlement was
roachod, since thDt objection w.o f1lod by tho samo person who origIn-
ally objected to the project In 1977-78. RospondIng to ChoIrman Kruse,
County ^ttorn~y 54unders aaid that in Mðrch, 1903 a process was begun
to validate bonds and In July he roceiveð the resolutIons and
approprIate do~umonta for valIdatIon (rom the bond counsel, whIch have
been forwarded to tho vllrious dupartmont. for thoir revIe.". He .aid
thore have bown con!l!ctln~ signAl. over the laut two montha ðS to
whether the County should or øhould not vnlIdate. He said, in hi.
opInIon, tho County was not. rendy to vAlIdate in 1982. ChaIr~an Kruse
roquested that Mr. SIIunder8 appruach the raHA to .ee if discussions
cannot be roopened with Mr. Draw reqardInq the fundinq and sugqested
that board lIIelllbcrø go wI th Mr. Saun~ers for this purpos., If neecled.
Co..issioner Brown aoved, seconded by Co.-i..loner Pi.tor and
carried unaniaoua1y, that the County Attorney be directed to
inve.tiqate openinq dIscussIons vith Mr. Drev, State Director r.RA,
regardinq the loan funds for Water-Sever DIstrict Service Area -A-.
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MESSRS. JOSEPH IONNESS, STEPHEN MITCDELL AND MR. EDWARD ~ APPOINTED
TO THE WMAI
Co.-i.sloner ~ruse 8Oved, .econded by Co..i..ioner Brown and
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carried unanimously, that Mr. Jo.eph Bonne.. be reappointed to the
WKAB .
Commissioner Brown ~oved, .econded by CommIssioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that Mr. Stephln Mitch.ll be appointed to fill the
unoxpired term of Jerry Cutlip on the WMAB. Chairman Kruso noted that
Mr. Mltchnll had boan an alternate and that, according to policy, there
are no 10ngor alternates on AdvIsory Boards with thiø appointm~nt.
Com.issioner Brown movad, seconded by CommIssIoner Voss and
carried unaniDously, that Mr. Edward Kant be appoInted to fill the
unexpired term of A. B. Curry on the WMAB.
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STAPP DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION IN VICINITY or
VANDERBILT BEACH RAMADA INN TO NEGOTIATE WITH DELNOR STATE PARK TO
OBTAIN AN EASEMENT TO PURCHASE SAME IF THIS IS NOT POSSIBL%
Pub11c ~orks I,drulniatrðtor lIartmðn dlstributod copies of Mr. John
Her~d'~ lettcr dðtud 9/12/83, to County Managcr Norman, requeøting
reopening of the hCðring regarding the BCC meoting to consider
duv<110~ent o( poJ,kln'J ~pIlCOØ on 6luQbi11 Avenuu. He re(orrod to the
~x~cutlve Summ~ry In which ho roquvat3 th.Jt the acc roafflr~ their
initial Dpproval of tho propos~d additional parking on Bluebill Avenue
~nd to o3k Mr. Nornd abo~t the Ramada Inn donatln9 their oxisting beach
aC:=llss eoJllement .:Ind to nuthorizo the County to provIde a six foot chain
11 nk foncll be two en the Inn property, County r ight-o(-way IInd uld
OIlSGment, 1! 1 t Is gr.:lnted.
i~ [ . Nerlld W.1S glvon a CO'Jy of the Exocutive Summary. He read hi.
lot tor In which he statod thAt the Ramada Inn management will close the
accus. to the beach to avoid the problemG of unðuthorized parking a.
datai10d 1n hi. lotter of 9/l2/0J.
A diacu.aion was he!d re9.rdin~ postponemont 0' this ~tt.r until
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I'Ir. Norl1d has a chanc. to d1acus. Mr. 114rtll1ðn'. ~rocommenððtlon with ht.
a.soctate.. Rosponding t~ Chairman Kru.e, Mr. Hartmðn said that hts
depart/llent personnol will b09in constructin9 the 18 pðrkin9 .poce.
within the next ~ek or two. Mr. Nørad said that his corporatIon would
..ke the ~eciaion rogardinq tho donation of tho .asem~nt and thl. would
.ean G dolay until Aftcr November 21, 1983, for hi. nöxt Board m..ting.
He said that, in hi. opinion, thoro would not be acceptance by hIs
Board of Dir_ctors to donate the easement bocause there Are plans for
that 20 root apAce. Hoaponding to Chairman Kruao, County Attorney
Saunders .aid that the BCC has tho Authority to uso eminent domaIn to
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obtaIn this typo ~C proporty for Accesa to tho beach. Mr. Nera~ .aid
thðt the oas"aont is wo rth lIIore than tho cost. o( the proposed fence ðnd
that the property i. not for sale.
Chairman Kru.o said that Mr. Nored 1& placing the BCC in An
uncomfortable position because no is saying his corporation 1. 901n9 to
c1os. the beach access and that leave. tho acc with tho decision of not
havinq the use of an accvas that has beon used over the years or
purchasin9 the proporty. Mr. Norad said hi. Board o( Director. would
not bo interested in tho rocoll1~nda~ion.
Co..l..ionor Voss .oved, s.conded by Co..issioner Brown that Staff
proceed with the parkin9 lot construction in the vicinity of th.·
Vanderbilt Beach Rea.da Inn. PIotion carried unani~usly.
Co..i..ioner Vo.. aovod, seconded by Co..l..10ner Rolland .nd
c.rri.d unaniaously, that Statf be dlr.ct.d to n.90tl.t. with De1nor
Stat. P.rk to obtain an ......nt of .inl..1 width for u.e fro. the
p~rklng lot to the be.ch .nd to purch... .... if thl. S. not po..lbl..
Mr. Mike I.walk .poke In favor of tho BCC action to proceed with
the parkin9 lot construction.
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***.The f0110win9 it... w.r. adopt.d and/or approved und.r the
Con..nt ...genda by aotion of Co_I.doner ,lator, .econded ','
by Co..ls.ion.r Brown and carried unanl.ously···*
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CHAIRMAM AUT~ORIIED TO SIGN CERTIFICATES rOR CORRECTION TO TnE TAX
ROLLS "'S PRESENTCD BY TilE PROPERTY "'PRAISER'S OFFICE
TANCIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY
1982 TAX ROLL
1982-455, 457-459
9/15 - 21/83
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LAKI TRA"ORD MEMORIAL CARDENS DEED NO. 361 ACCEPTED FOR RECORDATION
See P89-
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PETITION TR-82-29C, TERRENCE .... KILLS, REQUESTING'" 3 MONTH EXTEHGION
~,TEMPORARY RESIDENCE PERMIT IN COLDEN GATE ESTATES
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SANT... B"'RB"'RA BOULEVARD BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT (BID NO. 599, OVER
TilE B-1 CANAL) - ACCEPTEDI fINAL PAYI'\ENT RELE"'SED IN TItE "MOUNT 01'
$22,428.03
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PINt RIDGE RO"'D EXTENSION CONSTRUCTION 'ROJECT (BID NO. 594) -
ACCEPTED FIHAL PAYMENT RELEASED IN TUE AMOUNT OF $87,831.08
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BID 1683 'OR ANNUAL PURCHASES or 'APER PRODUCTS - "'W"'RDED TO UNIJAX,
HOATII FT. MYERS "'NNUAL PURCHASES FOR PLASTIC BAGS - AWARDED TO OIL'S
24 HOUR STORES, NAPLES
Leqal notlce h~ving been publishod in tho Mapl.. o.ily New. on
Auguat 17, 1903, aa .vlJuncod by Affidavit of Publication filed with
the Clerk, bids ~rQ acceptod for Did IGB3 tor annual contracts for
paper ðnd plastlc pro~ucta until 2130 P.M. 5.pto~b.r 7, 1983.
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~CELLAHEOUS CORRESPONDENCE - FILED AND/OR REFERRED
Ther. be1n9 no objection,. tho Chair dlrocted tho following
corre.r~ndcnce to bo filod and/or retorred to tho various departments
as indIcated 1
Copy of a lettwr dated 9/G/B3, from Jam.s F. Hurley,
Director, Dapt. o( Community Affairs, regardIng the role of
tho Reqlonal Plannin9 Çounci18 in our particIpation in the
St.to'ß Small Cities Community Dovelopmont Block Grant
ProqrÞm. xc Mr. Nor~ðn and Hr. Virta. Filed.
1.
Copy of 1ettor dated 9/8/03, from Lynn S. Bramlett, Budget
Analyst, Dopt. of Hevenue to Mr. Guy Carlton, TaX Collector,
indicating npproval of the attached budqet rnquost for fiscal
year 1903-84, pursuant to Section 195.007, Florida Statutes.
xc ~'r. Gl1as. ~·iled.
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Departmontal keports received and filed:
A. Collier County for.ster, August, 1983.
B. Colli or County Foroatwr, ~nual Report, with
att~ched let.ter datod 9/10/83. xc Hr. Norman.
C. Soclðl Servicos, June and July, 1983.
4. Coplos oC ~lnutos received and filedl
A. CM'C /IIlnute. of 9/1/83 and agenda 9/B/83. ,
ß. Golden Gate Community Center Advisory Committee
July 26 and AU'Just 30, 1983.
C. Library Advisory Board, 8/25/83.
D. Ochopcw fire Control DIstrict, 9/8/83.
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Lettor dated 9/9/03, from Fred J. Borch complimenting
work of Collior County Transportation DIrector Geor~e
Archibald. xc Mr. Nor.an, Mr. Hartman and Personnel
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Co~y of Public Notl~o Crom the Army Corps
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conøtruct parking lot nt Tigertail Be.ch.
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STArr DIRECTED TO CONTACT OWNERS or SITES 5 AND 3 RI I""OKALI£ PARK
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par~ .ite to bu located at tho Immokale. H1gh School sIte and tho
Trafford .ito as they are tho most centrally locdted and would be the.
most b.neficial to the plfoplo of Immoka1eo. He stated that Pat
Carroll, £ngi~eer III, would give tho presentatIon.
Commi.sionor Kruse queationed the total dollar amount tor tho Lako
Trafford Marinð, to which Mr. Norton repliod $240,000 <jrllnt funda.
Commissionor Kruso stated that if tho grnnt !un~s ore not availab1.,
thw County i. talking about uµ to ono-half million dollars juøt for
acquisi tion.
Ms. Pat Carroll .toted that the introduction in tho report
basically out11nos tho critorln which Sta(! analyzud. Sho stated that
the crit.ria standards ar. aet in the Comprøhonsive Plan. She roCarrod
to nn ovwrhead map f~intlng out th~ distrIct boundaries of Immoka1eo.
~ho notod th.n the populatIon Cigur.a; ....ere tnken 'rom tho lCJ8~ consus
rwport and !rom the community develo~ont reports. Sha stated that
onco tho diøtrlct boundario. (or Immokalu. wert: a.tab1iAhod, aerials
.....r. Mtudi.d for th~ wholo distrIct and outlined any vacant proporty
thðt 'WOuld utls.!y the mlnimum criteri.1 which would be 22 acre.. Sha
noted tho1t there were 14 possibh locations bofor. zoning or ownars
wur" invclStlCJ..t~d, 4Iddin'] thðt ðCter furthor reMearch was don. DOQe 0'
tho ait.. ....\lru el1t.Ünj\teJ. She notud th.1t SIt. 11 1a on ^lrport
proporty and Wo1S olimlno1ted becauso oC it. aize and locatIon within the
district. bhe statod that SIt. 12 1. property above Ros. ^venu. and
was eliminatod b"causu it ~a. zoned Industrial and would be too costly.
Sho indicated that Site '3 wa. initially eliminatvd but ha. b..n
includud in this ruport plfr roquo.t of Com_is.ioner Brown. She stated
that SIta I. is land at the Iaaokal.. Hi9h School ðnd i. con.idered a.
a prilllory .ite.
Sho repott_d that Site 15 i. b.tween Immokal.e DrIve'
.nd kobertaAv.nue, i. k~own a. the H.ath-Robert. .it~ And h.. b.en
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kept in the report for further analysis. She stated that Site '6,ls
land at the lIiCJhllln<1a Elementary School and i. aho a primary s1te.
She indicated that Site '7 was land that wrapped around the exist1ng
Winn-Dixie and has been eli~in.ted because 1t is zoned CommercIal and
the potential cost. She stated that Site In 1. land on Immokalee DrIve
and has baan kept for consideration, adding thnt Site '9 is at the
corner of Carson Drive and Lðko Trafford Road and is also considerod In
the report. She noted that Site 110 was elIminated bOCAUSO of the
Commercial zoniny and high cost. She atated that Site III is North of
Lake Tra!!ord School Þnd Site 112 is on Lðke Trafford and site '13 and
14 ia the Lðke Tra!ford Marina, adding that all these sites have been
kept in tho report.
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In a~swer to COm~i5510ncr Kruse, MS. Carroll indicated that Sites
13, '4 and III aro all adjacent to schools.
Ms. Carroll stated that one way aho analyzed the distrIct. was to
compute the geographic center of tho I~okalee District. She reported
that the population center of the district. was also co~puted whIch was
based on the 1980 census. She referred to an overhead ~p showing the
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Carroll stated that thw population in 19G2 was 11,438 which 1s an
adjuated fi~ur. from the 1980 conSUD.
...s. (.;arroll atated that in the rAting systOlll the first criteria
listed is location, which is the most important of the criteria. She
referred to an exhibit which showed the calculations lead~g to the
total points 9ivon to each ai' o. She refer.red to . chart that show_"
her roting ot each site which include. the location, the .lze,
.urround1ng uaea, com~4tibllity w1th the coaprehenslv. plan, acce.s,
aesthetics, watur activitie., and ownership,
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the roault of tho basic analysis and computetionl whIch 9ivel tho
number of points used to rank each lite. She referrod to another
exhibit which shoWQd the rankin9 of the 9 sit.. that were considered,
addin~ that thoro aro thro. ways to r~nk the sites. She stated that
one way WAS by locotlon only with ßite '6 bein9 number one, Sites 14,
IS, and .6 wore r~nkQd second, and SIte '3 was rankðd third. She
atated that another way to rAnk them was excluding 8ize with Site '4
bein9 numbor ana, thu HeAth-Roberts sito and Sitos '8 and 13 following
next in line. She stated that the third way is ronked according to the
ovorall r a t1 ng which includes all criteria and Sit. 14, tho HIgh School
alt.e \{ould be n umbo r one and Site . e would be the second choice with
Sit\.! IJ be=ing tho thIrd aite and Sito 19 beincJ the fourth choice.
Ms. Ca r roll stated that ono of tho reasons LAko Tr~fford waa
Includ~d In the roport WII8 that Staff hlt it was important to attempt
to provide a mln Imum of 35 acroll of land for Immokaloe, which hila been
the aVIHÐgo for the other p.Jrk sites. She noted that if there was not
35 ~cr~a avoil.Jb1u, ~ke Trafford would take advantage of ð unique
rr:crolltlonlll opportunity lInd would provido a sU¡Jplomonta1 ~ark for
Immokilloo.
Shu reportti~ that tho concluølons that Staff came to a. a rosult
of th~ report is that lmmokaleo noed. a community park with at loaet 35
acres to construct most of the facilit.ies that Im~okal.. dosiee.. She
notod that the recommended altern.Jtivos baaed Oil the ratln9 and rankin9
of thu roport would bo (1) to aC4uirtl 35 .tcros at Site 14 if available,
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per Co~miQs10nur Brown'. ruquoat, and (4) to acquiro J~ acres at Site
'9. She noted th.Jt if tho Board t..ls that the central location ot
Imlllokaletl should be. uud, !itoff would At.tempt (1) to acquir. 25 acf4.
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noted that the third alternative would be to acquire 2S acres at Site
'6, plus 12 Acreø at Lake Trafford Marina. She reportod that
~lternativ.. recommended by Commissioner Brown would be to acquir. Lak.
Trafford Marina with the additional acreage, acquire 23 acres of SIt.
,'5 and acquire 39 acren or Sito 13 plus the additional 10 acres. She
noted that a combination of these to be acquired lø wh~t Staff
understands that Commissioner Brown would like. She stated that,Staff
recommendðtion is tho 3~ acros at the High School site which would
provide a contral location (or a park, if availablo from tho School
Board. 51161 statotd that. thu second recommendation would bo to acquire
25 acreo at Site '4 and Lake Trafford Marina and the third
recommendation would be 23 /lcre. at Site '5, plus the Lakv Trafford
Marina. Sho stlltod that the arua around the Immoka1ee High School is
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tho central /lrea could not be Ð~quirod. She noted that there are
sovoral good altornðtiv~a availab10 to the Board, adding that a good
community program Cor pllrks can be ~ade available' to tmmokalee by using
one of thoso alternatives.
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Commlsøloner Krus. stated that for the record, that there ..... to
be 80~e emotion.l Drqument that tho Com/llisaioners dented a town hearing
in Immoka1e., addinq that the.e funds are County-wide tax dollars and
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any hearing. to deturmino how that County-wJde funding 1s to be .pent
.hou1d be h~ld in thtt Courthouso. Shtt stated thAt Staff d1d a Un. job
puttJng togother thIs r.porl and aftor Staff ha. completed their report
it 1s the Commission'. job to make the flnÐl deci.ton. She stat4d that
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0110 would not pl..ly t'.dco for tho 841m. Illnt! which tho school BO(lrd owns
now, addlny thot It i. public l~nd alru~dy.
Ms. C^rroll stated thot shu h~s contacted the owners of Site IS,
addin; that ~'r. Uoath h.3o IItAtød thAt he will donatio! his portion of th.
l~nd to lllu County !or ~ pnrk sit~ nnd that Mr. Roberto will work with
thu Count~· c\nd woulcJ Uk.., t.o so. £In iI¡J¡>rDia,ll lInd thcrü is c1
pOIi:.Jl:Jility th.Jt hu will donDte tho land, but t.hdro WlIS no comrnitmant
.1t t~lls point. Sht;t indiclIteù that ßhe hLJ8 £I fin:! vùrbil1 commitment
from ,.Ir. IIO.1t:.h t.h,1t hO,woulù cJonato tho pro¡Jcrti'.
CO¡:lrto1:Jsionar Holland IItc:ltod thoJt tllo County purchê1sed 35 <Jcrcs for
the p.:¡rk ulto in l:.a~3t ¡'¡,Jpleo /lnd quostioned whot ¡JIJrKs lire bl!lnCJ
i!l<!dntoJlncu In tho Laut Naples District by thu County and the othcr
Jlatrlcts.d~ wol1 as whal thu po~ul£1t10n flguras arc?
I'W. <,:,:.I[ro11 st,Hu<J thðt by thot tlr:1U t:1C p¡¡rK Is built the
~~~ul~llan for LJst N"pluw will bo 4roun~ 25,uOO pco~l~ in 1984.
.....r. 1tlc.~, Pnrks " Rccrolðtion :)lrl'ctor, IIt.nod lh.:¡t In East NllpleG
CIDtrict, the 'ollowin~ {ðcilitles i]ru ma1ntð1ncd: Avulon ~chool area,
5-7 ¿jc:rc~; Sh'lI':o\o.l.':I1,.;n ,)rcù, :; acre:J; li,,~'vicw park., 3.2 ""crosl "~nd Ltl1y
Hign :'chool ,Hca. III: stlltcl':; th~t 111 11;\.nokc1loJll thli! followill9 fðcil1ti".
"r~ r.lcdnt,1in<.'u¡ 011 ,;.:11 Pürk, ~ ðcrus; Lnmokl11c:u 1'.1rk., 5 acres 50uth
I":T.OKùl\!t1 PilrK 3.5 ,¡cr<::s/ Ilnmokdle., 1I11)h ~chool, 3 c1CrNJ¡ bðsaball
t i I: lu <it J:.lddloJ 6l.:ilool, J <Jcr.J1>1 dnc.l !..lkQ Tr,~(ford, 4 ttcrcs. He .tAtod
thDt in ttll! Goldun Gl:lu ...reD, the (ol1o....in<] !/'Ic111tles lire IDllintainodz
tl1<.: l:oldcn <;¡¡to PJrK, ).2 - J.5 ,"'Crall and olcmantlJry school ba11tiuld,
;, <1cr\ls. Ii.. I>t.Jtud to"t in ':'¡orlh Napllts tile followin.] !ðclliti.. lire
~.Jlnt.Jint1~1 N~pla~ Pðr~ clQm~nt~ry, J.5 acrus, Sl1l1gôtw olem.ntary, 4-5
,,~rU6; Poil1cliJn" \iillð')oJ p"rk, 1 ðcro llnd poin-:lan3 elementAry, 4-5
.acrt!lJ. lie lodlc<Jtuù llH1t ill ~rco Clstrict tile followin9 Cðc:il1ti..
t'lCIJ Nlntnlnftø: TOhlr.'Ile tlAr!hJ.d ~chool, J.S - 4 ilcres, 'ri'JertoU B'I.éh
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_~ Park, 31.6 Acre., pi~dmont Circle Park, 5 acre.t Wlnterberry
Park, ~.7 acres and Caxnmbn5 PQSS Par~, 4.7 acre..
HA. Carroll stGted that she did not have the po~ulAtion f19ures
for MArco Diatrict, ðdding that by 1984 EðØt Nnplos would be Dbout
25,000 in population, North Naples would be 18,000 and Golden Gato
would b. l!i,OOO.
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Commissioner Holland stated that he doe. not believe that people
are aware that thia coard has mAintðlned A lot of the p3rks and built
and equipped thorn.
Commissioner Kruse stuted that she is not against a pArk site next
to a school, but a com~unity p~rk is Cor the entire communIty,
including tho adults, and if too many park situs aro noxt to schools,
the family orientud or old~r puop1e Ara being precludod simply blcau..
of the Dctivitit=. that would bo in a park next to a school.
Commissioner Kruse atðtud that aha thinks it would be nice to havI
Site 15 lInd the additional l.akc Trafford because it would free. up 80me
additional money for tho development of park aitos.
The following people spoko in op~~ition to the purchase of Site
13, stating that it is not centrAlly located, too costly to clear and
prepare for G pArk aito, too swampy, and water pollutions
Mr. Johnni~ Goodnight
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P. O. Box 13l5, Inullokalee
Hr. lIonry Noronll
Raw. Howard AllIIn
Lucy Ortiz
Mr. ~te vo Prl co
^lbort Lee
I"IAr i a Sanchez
Olivia Reyna
602 poinsettia St. ImmokAlee
430 GAunt St. Immokale.
G06 Robert. ^ve. Immokalee
Immokale.
!.J09 Pine St. Ia'Ølokale.
P. o. Ø4x 1102, Immokal..
205 E. Adams Ave. Iamokalee
The above rofenncod ¡..eople spoke In favor of purchasing Site 14
or Site 15 and the additional acreaIJe for wk. TuHord Marina for the
community of Im~okale. AS it i8 centrally locatoó.
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^ letter was presented by Rev. Allen, for the record, from the
ImmokaloQ Civic Aøøociðtion IndIcatIng Sito 15 a8 tha number one cholco
and Site I. as tho number two choIce.
Commisa1onot Brown atated that h. hat always wAnted Slu 15 a.
woll as ûite 13 and a portion of tho Lake Trafford Marina.
Commioaioner Piøtor stated that he looked at many of tho sites in
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donated it would UO ð 900d community park projoct.
Commissionor Voss stated h. a1øo looked at many of tho sites and
SItos 14 and .5 in hIs'opinion are thv best, addIng that this wa.
confirmed by everyone that he talked with. He stated that he felt Sit.
'4 is 4 1ittlo bott~r, but Sito IS is vory close and if It 1. donated
thon the County should accopt It. He stoted thðt it would be nice to
have both'of them, but th~y ore not both noedod.
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Staff be directed to enter into negotiations with the owners of Sit. .5
and also with the School Diøtrict lor Site '4 and come bac~ to the
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thl.l tloard could then lIako A docision.
Commissioner Brown stDtod that hot wou1 d stick to his doc!øion.for
~ito '3, :>ito , 5, and the /'Iðrinlt.
Commiaulonar Kruse stated th4t she fel t thoro w~s nothing wrong
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aho he. no problom with Gito IS as it is bein9 donated, addIng that it
th~ tot~l do1l4r amount Is considerably 1... to acquir. all of th...·
p~rka than the one in North Napl.. or Colden Cate, .he has ~o .
ubj~ction. She noted th4t she would vote against it becAu.., il the
doll.r A~ount is fair, th~r. Is no rooson why there cannot be an active
and passive pork.
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.... Up\)n call for the quutlon, the IIOHon hUed 2/3, (CollalulC)n.era
Holland, Brown, and ~ruae opposed).
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COlllSlisdoner lIolbnd .oved, s.conded by cOlllllhdoner Brown .nd
carried 3/2, (Collmlaal~n.r. pl.tor and Vo.. oppo.ed), that Starr be
directed to contact the owner of Site 15 for the beat available offer
and the owner of Site 13 for the beat flgur.. for the I~okalee Park
Site and bring back to the Board a total dollar coat figure.
..... Rece.sl 1105 P.M. - Reconvened. 2115 P.M. at which
tl.e Deputy Clerk Skinner replaced Deputy Clerk ~enyon .....
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PROPERTY/LIABILITY INSURANCE PROGRAM II SUBMITTED BY BENSON INSURANCE
AGENCY AND UNDERWRITTEN BY TilE INA/AETNA GROUP - APPROVED WITH CHANGES
Fiscal Officor Giles ox¡.¡lDlncd that the purpose of tho senlon 1.
to hODr the recommendatlonR from C. W. Siver and Assoclatos, Inc.
reqArdlnq the property/liability InsurAnce bidD received. He said that
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in May, 19CJ, the bCC contrActed with thl. firm to prepare the County
bid specifications and to review the bide received and ~ke recOlllllonda-
tions to the BCC on a throo-yoar policy. He said that the County'.
current policy Is A throe-year policy which expire. Doptember 30, 1983.
He said thal a couplo oC yeArs ago the County had a Rluk ~nager on
!)taC( und~r the suporvlo10n of the Clerk'. Office' and that per.on waa
terminated and that, since that time, the accounting and record keeping
for property/cAøually/l1øbi1ity in.urance haG been done by the Clerk'.
Office. II. referred to Pðge 5 of the Clork'. Report in the agenda for
this ~eetlng which contains the recommendation of E. W. Siver.
ÀSlóociatell, Inc.
Mr. Ted Slvor, presld.nt ~r ~, W. stver , ~Gocl.tea, Inc. of St.
Peter.bur9, atatod that Mr. Steven W. Corde., fro. hi. flra, wa.
proaent. II'" ex"hinod that thirty-five (35) propoaal. weu received
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from fIve (5) agenta/brokora and thirteon (13) in3uror8. He saId
the net result is thnt tho County will save money over its currant
program, for _xample, .a much a. $189,656 can b~ saved at th~ maximum
cost lovel. He uxplained that ~ith an account the 8izo of Collior
County and spending upward. of close to $GOO,OOO for the Workers'
Compensation, General Liability, Auto Liability, rroporty Inaurance,
etc. thoro will normally be in placo a type of program wheroby the
costs will bo dotormined by tho actual 10aa08 that aro Incurr~d by the
County. 110 aaid thJs i. in contrast to amaller accounts whore tho
pr.lllum 1a paid to the innuranco company and that company pay. all the
10.... and if the company does wvll thoy keep the profit and if they
don't do well tho rates may advance in a aubsequent year. He .ald that
All tho proposah hðVU a so-calhd ,)djustlnont feature, whoroby the net
costs are detormlned by the clftims tllat Arv ~ctuðlly paid for or to tho
County or on behalf of tho County. 110 liøt.d the followin9 choice. for
conslderðtion:
Program I - All coveraqes to b. fu1ly-inaured with a promium
IIdjusunont feature whereby funds can be returned to the County if
loa. experience ia favorable. Tho program was submitted by ^. J.
Callagher , Co. with tho major coveragos underwritten by the Home
lnauronco Co.
Pro~rDn II - ^ll cov~r~9.. to bo fully-insur.d ~lRo witn a premlua
ddjusunent foatur.. The pr09ram waS submitted by Benson Insuranc.
Agency and un~.rwrlttðn by the IN~/Aetna Croup.
Program III - Tho mnjorlty of the progra~ ia self-insured with
atop-loUd lnsurancI om~loyed to limit thr. County's mðximua ri.k.
It wa. pcopoacd by ~. J. Callagher on behalt of Lloyd'. and oth.r
insurer..
Progr~rn IV - This roµro.ents tho County'. current, In-torce
µroqrau, with tho majority of coveraqos fU11y-insurød Qxceptlnq
workers' comp~nøatlon whIch is ..If-insured. Th. 4g.nt. ar. alA
ðnd Gal1ð9h.r, respectiv.ly.
Mr. Uivor said that thQr~ i. no adjuøt~Qnt teature tor PrograD IV,
and that BI^ i& th. agent doln9 all but worker.' compensation and
C.11hgher h tho a.¡cnt do1r/g t.ho workers' cOIDPon.ation. lie add that.
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-" all of the proposlIh lire subject to adjustment bllsod on 10..os. He _aid
that a slmpl0 WlJ)' to view the situation 1. that tho County will pðy the
loss.s p1uB the expenses of doIng busln... end that the question, lost
of the tlm., is wnat lire tho expenseo thðt will make tho dif!oronce?
Ii. said thðt the lOGses will romaln the sarno no matter whllt company is
usod.
Mr. 5ivdr re(~rred to the churt on page G o( the Clerk's report
whic~ compðro. tho four progrlJms. He explðined thðt Expected Cost
lIIeðns thøt hi. firm 111111 rQvlowed th<t County'. loss experience over the
pllst soven or eight yeoro and has determined the ~mount, based on the
overogo 10nn exporlcnro In pbst years, hos brought that ðmount forwørd,
trended It (or inClatlon Dnd thllt amount is used for the losses thðt
con be axpectad In tho future yellrs. lie said that Collier County 1.
not lllrgo enough lor Actuarlally credibility so thðt thoso figures
connot be tDkon a8 lJb~olule, however, they are indications of what
should occur in th~ fulure based on whot hils hoppened in the p~st.
County ^ttorney ~aunders Þskod if Hr. Sivor had a broakdown as'to how
much would bo th. property damago ch iN and liabl1i ty cla ims, and Mr.
Siver aÞid that n\.lllber is in the .poc1flclltlon.. Mr. Siver rehrred to
Exhibit A which ll!lts tho vllClous kinds of Insurance deductibles that
II re be 1119 pro po sad and the prem I UIIIS 0 f sallie. He aai d thð t the £xpoc ted
Cost under Progrðm
Is $55),61~1 under Progrcm 11 it 1. $559,085,
under Program III it 18 $~20,15' IInd that the current County progrolll
with the slime losses would produce II coat to the County of $536,404.
lie «sx¡.¡lòlned that Maxilnu::! Coat loans tho maxhllllll olllount that would be
paid by the County regardleaS of tho los.e. or claiJl., which I. on
.ggr~gate Gtop-10ss f.atur~, which meana when tho cllll~. reach a
certain point the County no longor haa a responsibility. 110 referred
to footnote 2 on pAge 6 which stðte. that. -l'I4xlJ1ulI cost. ..sUlle no 10.s
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will exceed tho li~its of tho Umbrella coverage- which 1. in tho ran~.
of $1,500,000.
Mr. Siver said thot tha Mlximu~ Cost of Progrom I Is $SS3,6lS,
under Progro/ll II it is $559,OeS, undor Program III it is $610,973 and
under the existing County program it i. a possible cost of $743,271.
Iht .aid 011 of these amounts are annual IInd not three year numbers. He
oxp1Ain_d in detail the points as outlined in his memorDndum to the BCC
datod 9/20/8J. He said his firm recommends ProgrDm III, thft Callagher
Packa9~d Protected Solt-InsurAnce Program anù they support their
rocommendation by commentary on their ðnðlytic criterIa. He sðid that
Progrðm III preaents the lowost cost at the Expected Cost level as
shown above. lie aaid that progrom III does present a potentially
higher cost at the Maximum Cost 1ev~l, meaning the County's risk 1.
gr..ter. . He Ctxplained, howevor, that Proqrðm III includes a loss
limitation (eaturol i.e., no sln~l. loss occurrence can be charged to
the County which oxcoeòs $100,000. He said th~t this Is contra.ted
with the $300,000 that. is chargeable under Proqra~ I and $375,000
chðrqeablo under Program II. Ho said because of the feature in pcogca.
III thðt SdYS no sill~lQ lo~g occurrence Cðn be ctlarged to the County
which exceods $100,000 the posaibillty of the amount reaching the
~ðxl~um Cost a! $610,97J 13 moro remote. Responòlnq to Commissioner
piator, Mr. ~lvar öðid that a person could look at the 10.. limitation
feat.ure In a wny AS a deductible like his parsonal insurance. He .aid
thðt at the Exp.rctud Coat level program II I has a sðvin')s of approxi-
Mutcly ~25,OOO to $JO,OOO ovor the other two programs.
Chairman Kru~. asked what is the deductible for individual 10....
for the(t ðnd Mr. Sivor aaid the deductibh wi:':' be $25,000 on property
which h chargublo to the County'. 10" fund. lie said there is an
ð99re9at- 10.0 fund that cut. off and creatdS the MaximUM COlt.
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Chairman ~ruse said that previously thore was $1,000 deductible for
each report. Mr. Siver said that Collier County haa grown 80 fasl and
there is too much ~onoy involved now for tho County to take nominal
deductible risks its~lf and insure with a company.
Mr. Saunders said that he is concerned About the number of
liability claims that havo been fIled, because he assumed under a
.elf-insurance progra~ the County ^ttorney's office would defend tho..
claims. lie said t.hat a.soc1otud with thosIt types of claims would be
inveatigdtor'. and attorney's costs. ~o said he had no idoa of the
nl.lTlb«r of claims that havu been fillld per year over the past two or
three yvaro. Mr. ~Ivc:r sillcJ that in lIHt program that is being
rocom~ended, the clal~G ocrvlces arc provIded by C~lla9her-Bassett
which is a subsidIary of the: Gðll~qher organization, which is tho Sa~e
fiul that is now hand11ng thu \.IQrkltrG' compensation. Ho said this firm
would continuo to rucelvu the (IrGt reports of public liability, and do
the invotltiqDtlonl however, they would not provide defense costS within
the area of tho deductible or retrntIon. Ho øaid a decision would be
lude al to whether the County Attornoy's oCClce would provide that
defense or whethor an outside Cirm would be enga~ed to do it. "'r.
Saundera said that, In his opinion, It would be better for an attorney
who Ja working for thll County to handle lhAt type of cIa I. AS opposed
to spondlng $IOO an hour Cor outside counsel. Mr. Slve: agreed, if he
10 talking about routine cl.l~n. "o~ever, ho said if "'r. Saunders 1.
talkin~ about a surlous ~~ttcr that would very likely exceed the
deductibl. and then the IXCOGS insurer Lloyds and others would want to
associAte in th.. deCltns" of that caGe. HI said often they would take
the lead in aehction and bur thli r proportionate sharo of the dehn..
cost as related to the totðl of the claim. Mr. SAunders .ald thAt
dealing with liabI1Ity..spects and the neg1igenco type. of cla1. he
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assuØlod Mr. !Hvor has taken into conll1doration the LImIts of LIAbilIty
undor ChApter 7óB of FloridA Statutos dealIn9 with soverÐi~n Immcnity.
~r. Siver said ho had. Mr. Saunders said that the doductiblo on that
type of claim is $100,000. Ho saId that the County would pay the first
$100,000 of any claim, howðvor, Gal1~9her would arrange for the defense
of the clai~, to which Mr. Sivor said thüt Callagher-Bas.ett would
investlglltu th<J c1nlm alS any adjuster would do. 11~ IJlIid if a clailll
rtlquired dofenGo then It would bet the County's policy nil to whether the
Staff counsel would defend it or whother it W48 A CAGe that tho County
p<Jrceived to be asslgnod elsewhere. Mr. saundurs said he was concerned
about the burden of work and if, for example, there wer" SO neg1igence
clai~s filed a YOdr an~ th~ County docided to defend all of those
cIa IN in-house, tI"n would require the hiring of another attorney,
.tlcretary and poaslbly an InvcøtlC)Dtor to handle tll.1t number of claims,
hO''''ever, if thltro ðro only 10 c1l1ima, th.:lt would be a diCferent story.
Mr. Siver con(orrod with hiü colle~~ues and reportod thðt the consensu_
is that tho nlAllber of cla Ims that re'iui ro a 11 U«Jatlon or any groat
dual of lawyer'~ tlmu is very IImall. he said that tho majority of
claims will b. sottlud t.hrough tho routlr, pro~cduro of tho Calla9her-
8l1Gsett c1.11ms adjuGtroent firm .:In~ tho hðndlin') of tho claim. Mr.
~øunders soid th.'t WoJ' onv of tho pointø lie wanted to mako because, if
thu County 18 solf-ln:>urud, som~ of the 8~a11 clAi~s that an insuranco
company r.a~y be willln~ to sottlo to IIvoid liti')ation cost, the County
~dY want to dofend thoso routinely and thAt hu would like sOØle ide. of
the numbor. and type. of clolm. Actually filed 80 thðt he would know
whether thoy could b" hon~l.:d in-house. lie said the County lIay not b.
'Wi11in\l to sottlu tho cl..im& if it lIS ~ayinl'J the lIIoney out of the
lolC-insurclnco pool. Mr. sivor a9rood. lie said that when hi. other
cli.nt. lIIove from what (~ known as . full 'I lnaunJd posture to .
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~. qUAsI-Melf-insurod they usually will not add im~edi.telY to atall and
will wait for a ye.r and ..e what the demands Are and ~ake Adjustments
accordin91y. Commi.sioner Voss s.id, In hi. oxperience, if tho claIms
are ri90rously defended thoro are lower claims. Mr. Siver Agreed. ~
di.cu..ion fol10wud regarding this .ubject. Mr. Siver cxplained the
.anner in which tho specifications werc writtun.
Tape 110
Responding to Comml.sionor Holland, Mr. Siver laid that If the
County had two $250,000 occurronces both of thoae claima would be
charged to the pIon and thðt would put the County lrnme"'lato1y into the
.aximua premium in Program I. He .aid In Program II with that same
situAtion both ot tholie cl/liron would bo chargoable to tho plan and the
County would bo at max illlum pr eml urn. lie .aid considering Program III
with the saMe situ~tlon $100,000 would be charg.d for each of the
occurrences. ~r. ~lver explained that one consideration In the pricIng
i. the time valuo of monay, that is the time the County gets to hold
mon.y under /I Bolt-insured proyrD~ beforc it is p/lid out In clalma.
said undor .olf-insurance tho County get. the inv.stment earning. and,
thereforo, his firm's !iguros show tho net inv.stment .arnlngs oppor-
tunities of the various plans and they Ar. not all the ..... Mr. SIver
said that tho Gallagher program has the County paying its own 10.... up
to the loss 11mit/ltlons cnd tho firQ pays losso. which exce.d the
I hnltAtions.
:>1r. Ciles said h. IIgrlted with Commlssion.r Holland in that h.
would like to soo the ·~pples to Applo.- compari.on. He .aid, in hi.
opinion, with Program III thero might bo indirect costs that CAnnot be
anticipat.d at lhis tJmo, such Aa tho litigation expena.. that Mr.
Saundors mentioned. Ho said thero is 01.0 the upoid. riak or the
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not strictly ..naqed. He saId he wa. concernod slightly with rogard to
carri4rs. He said that the County ha. had exc.llont service froD
CAlla9her on worker.' compensation whIch is a portion of tho total
insurance i'4cka'J.' He .ald th.st on the prop.rty c..ua1ty insurllnce the
County ha. had good rulation.hips with OIA and thuy arc clooo at hand.
Comglssionor Yo~ø said, In hi. o~inlon, pro')rnm III is tho loqical
pro<JrAIII. Responding to Commissioner flollnnd, I1r. Siver .aid that the
Callagher firm ha~ ~ fort Myoro office that handles claims. Mr. Tony
Abolla, ropro.entlng Arthur J. Callagher , Company, said hi. firm has
been hanlll1ng thu County's workers' componsatlon claims since 1978. ne
said that program II already ~alf-Insured and the County has had II qood
exporlunco with It. tie gave: back<Jround Informatlon rc':arding service
his firo ~ðl providud tho County. Administrator of Administrative
Surviccs 11111 said lhðt thu G.:dl.:J'jher firm hd8 <Jiven the County
excollwnt sorvlcu In thw workers' componsation cl~lmG.
Co.-is.ioner Yos. .oved, seconded by Co..i8sioner Pistor, that
Program III .ub~itt.d by Ga11agher/L1oyds be .pproved.
Mr. DAvo ~pcod, reprolcntln~ bI^I^etna-IN^, sald that hla co~pany
presontly wrltuß tho pro?crty, <]Qnoral li~bl1lty ~nd auto~obi1e
I bDl1l ty coverago .)/1<1' hðll for sovcHal years. He sr-oko on bllhalC of
Progrðn 11. lie IlAld that Progrll:tl III will pay $3'),000 10.. or $62,000
lIorc thAn Proqrðm 11 dependln<] upon the County'. loall experience. He
gave a hyvothctlc~l uxample so t.hat the County's insurAnce cOlt under
Pro'Jrul III falls betwcttn -;:'O,OCO ,)nd $010,000. He uld t.ho cost
wuld bo ~565,000. II..: said that progra. II is guarllntoed at $559,005.
II. ..,ld that BI,\!Autnð-IN^ Is " locAl FloridA, UnIted State. insurance
comp4ny aG compAred to Progra~ III which i. an out-of-town agent and an
out-of-county company In ~ngland. Ho 8Aid that there i. . f~ctor of
whother tne bce wants to· keep th.ir prollllU11! doll.H. hOllo or expor"
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..', them. He pointed out that that the $375,000 lo~. licItatIon .hown in
the .xhibit do.. not ~ko any differ.nce becau.e if thare 1. a 10.. of
$1,000,000 all the County could pay under program II is $559,065 and
undor Pr09ram III, If there iM a 100. ovar $100,000, tho County m~y
still ~AY tho $610,973. H. .aid regardle.. of the loss under Program
II ,the County woulC:: only pay $559,085. He uid, in his opinion, it is
confu.ing to show that the maximum 10's under Program II is $375,000.
Responding to Commiusionor pi.tor, Mr. Speed explained thA~ under
Program II his company i8 pAying the losses and that the County i.
pnylng for in8UrðnC\;. 110 BAld undcr Program III tho County would bo
self-insuring and the loa~os are stopped At different lovels up to
$100,000. He 8/'deJ thllt under progrnm II tho totðl premium is $559,085
with l1tigðtion and 1e<JIII costs included. 11. lIsked ~lr. Siver to
explain the statement regnrdJnq the chargeable loss being $375,000
under Program II. Mr. ~ivor oaid that In Program II the compensatIon
is what i» called n r<ltcntion progrom and 'the premium 10 ~J75,000 and
in theory the whole nmount euuld be chargod Agalnst a single loos. He
sðid that the only loss adjuGtment feature of the ~I^I^etna-lNA program
i. tho workerG' cOl'.1ponllatlon, therefore, the lIaxilllum 1088 that could b.
charged undor the complln.ðtlon program is the net premium itaelf. .He
said that In Progrðm III the County would be holding thoir own lIoney
and as the clðir:'lß devclop the County pay. tholll a. thoy are adjudicated
or ncgotinted, whereQs under Program II all tho money i. paid to tho
insurance cOr:'lpDny cnd there is an adjustmont ba.ed on 10..... Mr.
Giles sold in one cose the County p,ys the cla im by prellium and In the
other casu by svlf managin9. .^ discu8ßion fol10ved on this subject
dudn9 which COlllmluloner /lo1land aøked if progru III includu legal
sorvlces to which Mr. Slver snid th~t tho 10gal ..rvic.. are Includod
in tho deductiblo. Com~i.sioner Uolland noted that the 10gal .ervic..
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ArQ included in Pro9ram II to which Mr. Siver a9roed. Re.pondin9 to
CommIssioner Voss, Mr. Siver 8ald th~t thd annudl pre~ium for Pr09ram
II Is paid In 12 equal Installment. and the County <Jeto the inter.at
Income on ^p~roxlmataly one-half of tho money pAid in beCAuse it 1.
ovar a 12 month perIod. 110 said that all thtt chimø monoy in Pro<jram
III tho CQunty holds until It i8 paId.
Mr. lIill uid he would not like to soo the County <JIve up the
oxce110nt oorvico of Ca11ð<Jhvr-Baasett on workers' componsation. A
discu.sion followed during whIch Chairman Kruse asked why Gallagher was
toamed with the other two companies and not. BI^/Aotna to which Mr.
Siver. sDld that program w~s done, however, a high maximum of
Approxim~tø1y $670,000 dov~lopod. Ho Baid that BIA/Aetna's
compensatIon proqram only proposal Is d1fCoront thon that which is
packagud with 1111 o! the cOI:1Jany's coverage. 110 saId, therefore, when
~IA/^etna 10 coupled with Gallagher the workera' co~ponaation loss
makUB the ~xlmum qo up tu the aforrnontionod amount. Roapondlng to
COr.lmIssionltr Holland, Mr. Clles sllld th.:lt tho County hall hðd the
rolatlonshlp of E. h. Siver advising tho County on particular coverages
and BIA/Aotna procusBln~ c1ai~q for thot covernge .:Ind ho Is a lIttle
wary oC making drð~tic changos bvcauso thore io not Btronq Inaurance
1~..nll<Jllmllnt 1:"1 thu County, at this tlmu. Mr. 11111 GAid ho would have to
view chan')lng thu workers' cOr.lpcnsotion covorA911 as a dr.:Jtltlc chan11,
alao. fo II 0,", 1 n~ continulld dI.cu.aion the decision wall mado to ask Mr.
Rv ed, Mr. AlIelléJ and Mr. ~ivor to conBult tOljeth"r to .ue If a pr09 rAil
could be devised b9twoon Ga11ðghor-Bacsett And BI^/Aotnll-IN^.
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following thlt reClUS, Mr. SIvers reportod that tho repr...nt.tivo.
workcd out tho n\.Chers relative to the combination of the pr09r4II1G ..
thoy woru ori9Inally øub~Lttod and all Agreed that tho rcsultin9 fI9u~.
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lie Baid that th. question wo. placed to
~. of~ov.r $700,000 w.. too h19h.
the principal ploï_rs of whether they ~Qre willing to compromise enough
to lower the amount to the $559,000 range and Mr. Abella and Mr. Reed
responded that their programs remain the sarno as submitted.
Mr. ^bel1~ sold that both programs have si9nificant differences
when thoy apply to covcra90 and the differences were spelled out In his
firms. proposal and the County's consultant has taken them into
consideration. H. &~id that there oro broodor de(initions in his
pr09ra~ when it CQmv» to ~ropcrly insuranco end picks up all propertios
whether lhoy h~vo buun roportod to the company or· not on II full
replAcemont cost basis .....1 thout hllvinq to replace it. lie explolned
other (ootura. o( hlß progrllrn.
Upon coll for the quoation, the motion failed, 2/3, with
Co..issioners Holland, Brown end ~ru.e opposed.
Co.-Iaaioner Hollond moved, .econded by Co..i..loner Brown and
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carried 3/2, with Commissionor Vo.. and pi.tor opposed, that the
Property/Liability Insurance Program II, .ubmitted by aen.on Ió.urance
^gency and underwritten by the BIA/Aetna-INA 9rouP be spproved.
A ~iacusalon (ollowcd durin9 whirh Mr. Sivers explained that tho
covera90 can be Increll.ad Crom $2,000,000 to $5,000,000 for an
additional annuàl premi~~ of $6,000 and he referred to Item 0 on p.ge 9
of £xhibi t 1\.
Coaalssionor Hollend aoved, .econded by Comai..ioner Brown and
carried unani.~u8'Y, thet the Umbrella policy, It.. 0 on page 9 of
Exhibit A which would increase the coverage fro. $2,000,000 to
$5,000,000 be approved.
^ diacua»lon followed during which "r. Gile. explained that Ite.
H, the aircraft coverage, undor all threo pro9ra.s there i. . full
promi.. or $26,888 for hull insuunce for the County h.licopt.rs which
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In thu ,.6ast. lie said he spoka with Public
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Commls.lonor Holland moved, seconded by Commissionor plator and
carried unaniaously, that I~.D ø, the hull covera90 on the County
hellcoptor, be deleted from the policy.
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Thor. being no !urthtr busineGs for tho qood of the County, tho
meeting was Adjourned by order of the Chair at ~:06 P.M.
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IiOMD OF COUNT)' COMMISSIONERS/
BOARD OF ZONING ^PPEhLS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING aOARD(S) OF
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