Agenda 04/24/2012 Item #11D4/24/2012 Item 11.D.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Recommendation to approve the Collier Area Transit (CAT) Paratransit Fare Study and a
Fare increase of $1 per one -way trip for the Transportation Disadvantaged (TD) and
Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) programs.
OBJECTIVE: The Collier Area Paratransit (CAP) operation desires to sustain a current level of
service; however, service revenue is, and has not been, sufficient to cover the increasing costs of
operations. Staff recommends that the Board of County Commissioners accept the findings
articulated in the Collier County Paratransit Fare Study and increase one -way fares by $1.00 for
the Transportation Disadvantaged (TD) and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
paratransit programs effective October 1, 2012.
CONSIDERATIONS: As the Community Transportation Coordinator (CTC), the Collier
County Board of County Commissioners (BCC) offers safe, accessible, and courteous paratransit
transportation service known as Collier Area Paratransit (CAP) to eligible community members.
Recent increases in ridership and operational costs, coupled with the decreasing availability of
revenue, have lead to an overall program budget deficit. Paratransit ridership forecasts detail an
increase in paratransit trips with total trips exceeding current and future fiscal operating budgets.
The Local Coordinating Board (LCB) and the governing body of the transit operator (BCC)
determine fare levels for the TD and ADA programs respectively. Increases to such fare
structures can be adopted only after an appropriate equity study has been undertaken.
Accordingly, last year, the Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO), the Alternative
Transportation Modes Department, and CAT cooperatively charged the MPO's general planning
consultant, Tindale- Oliver & Associates, Inc., to analyze the CAP ridership, fare data, and
service usage. This review was required to be completed in accordance with the Federal Transit
Administration (FTA) Circular 4702.1A Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
As part of the CAP Fare Study, scenarios were devised and evaluated to determine the potential
revenue that could be generated based on a fare change as well as assess whether fare changes
would be equitable to ADA and TD customers in accord with federal regulations. This equity
analysis for a potential fare change was a complicated task due to regulatory requirements. For
example, FTA regulations prohibit an ADA customer fare from exceeding twice the fixed -route
fare during peak hour service.
Under the existing income -based fare structure a fare increase as low as $0.50 and up to $1.00
per one -way trip for ADA customers was reviewed. Additionally, the Study analyzed a fare
increase from as low as $0.50 to as high as $3.00 per one -way trip for TD service populations.
After analyzing the revenue generation, user demographics of the ADA and TD customers, trip
volumes, and regulatory requirements, the Study results determined that to implement an
increase on one customer population at a higher level than another for the same potential one -
way trip would create disparities and inequalities. Therefore one Fare Study recommendation
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result was that any potential fare increase would be implemented at the same level for ADA and
TD customers.
The study also analyzed a trip -based fare structure that would charge a lower fare for medical
and employment trips and a higher fare for educational and recreational type trips. The analysis
showed that such a fare structure did generate additional revenue over the current income -based
fare structure; however, the potential for inequity was much greater on lower- income
populations. A distance -based structure was also evaluated. The distance -based structure, on its
methodology, initially seemed more equitable because persons wanting to travel a longer
distance would pay a higher fare. As in other scenarios, the distance -based rate structure did
generate more revenue than the existing income -based structure. But it was deemed to be
inequitable because a majority of minority and low- income populations reside on the periphery
of the County, thereby requiring these populations to travel longer distances for their trips to
County's services that are located in the core metropolitan area of Naples. The trip -based fare
structure and the distance -based fare structure were not recommended in the Fare Study.
Based on public input, and an analysis of budget revenue projections, operational opportunities,
and the equity impacts, the Fare Study recommendations include that:
1. CAT increases the existing CAP fare structure by $1.00 for the TD and ADA one -way
fares; and,
2. CAT staff review the fixed -route and paratransit fare structure every two to three years to
implement justifiable, smaller incremental increases when necessary to address
increasing costs.
The Fare Study was presented to the Local Coordinating Board (LCB) on March 21, 2012. The
LCB endorsed the study with a recommendation that the BCC approve a $1.00 increase to the
Transportation Disadvantage (TD) Program fare. The LCB was silent to a fare increase to the
ADA fare structure. The MPO's Transportation Advisory Committee and Citizens Advisory
Committee both adopted a motion to increase the ADA and TD fare by $1.00 at their respective
March 26, 2012 meetings. The Fare Study was also taken to the MPO Board on April 13, 2012
for action and the Board approved the study and the recommendation to increase the TD and
ADA fares by $1.00.
FISCAL IMPACT: The fare increase is conservatively projected to provide approximately
$63,761 in additional farebox revenue for the Transportation Disadvantage Fund 427, Project
31427, in a fiscal year.
GROWTH MANAGEMENT IMPACT: There is no Growth Management impact associated
with this Executive Summary.
LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS: This item has been reviewed and approved by the County
Attorney's Office, is legally sufficient for Board action and only requires a majority vote for
approval —SRT.
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RECOMMENDATION: That the Board of County Commissioners approve the
recommendations of the Fare Equity Analysis and increase the TD and ADA fare by $1.00 per
one -way passenger trip.
PREPARED BY: Michelle Edwards Arnold, Alternative Transportation Modes Department
Director
ATTACHMENTS: 1) Collier Area Transit Paratransit Fare Study; 2) Collier Area Transit
Paratransit Fare Analysis Presentation
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COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 11.D.
4/24/2012 Item 11.D.
Item Summary: Recommendation to approve the Collier Area Transit (CAT) Paratransit
Fare Study and a Fare increase of $1 per one -way trip for the Transportation Disadvantaged
(TD) and Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) programs (Michelle Arnold, Director, Alternative
Transportation Modes /Growth Management Division).
Meeting Date: 4/24/2012
Prepared By
Name: SilleryTessie
Title: Operations Coordinator,Altemative Transportation
3/28/2012 5:32:09 PM
Submitted by
Title: Director - Alt Transportation Modes,Alternative Tr
Name: ArnoldMichelle
3/28/2012 5:32:10 PM
Approved By
Name: SotoCaroline
Title: Management /Budget Analyst,Transportation Administr
Date: 3/29/2012 9:20:35 AM
Name: CarterGlama
Title: Manager - Public Transit,Alternative Transportation Modes
Date: 3/29/2012 11:30:15 AM
Name: ArnoldMichelle
Title: Director - Alt Transportation Modes,Altemative Tr
Date: 3/30/2012 5:32:28 PM
Name: BetancurNatali
Title: Executive Secretary,Transportation Engineering & C
Date: 4/2/2012 3:08:27 PM
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Name: TeachScott
Title: Deputy County Attorney,County Attorney
Date: 4/5/2012 8:19:21 AM
Name: MarcellaJeanne
Title: Executive Secretary,Transportation Planning
Date: 4/9/2012 8:23:37 AM
Name: OberrathKaren
Title: Senior Accountant, Grants
Date: 4/12/2012 2:42:45 PM
Name: StanleyTherese
Title: Management/Budget Analyst, Senior,Office of Management & Budget
Date: 4/16/2012 9:20:09 AM
Name: KlatzkowJeff
Title: County Attorney
Date: 4/17/2012 9:45:05 AM
Name: OchsLeo
Title: County Manager
Date: 4/17/2012 11:13:38 AM
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Table of Contents
Section1: Introduction ........................................................................................................................... ............................... 1
Background............................................................................................................................................ ...............................
2
ProjectObjectives ................................................................................................................................ ............................... 4
Section 2: Previous and Existing Fare Collection System ........................................................ ............................... 5
ExistingFare Structure ...................................................................................................................... ............................... 5
Section 3: Fare Policy and Structure Assessment ...................................................................... ............................... 7
RidershipTrend Analysis ................................................................................................................. ............................... 7
PeerAnalysis ......................................................................................................................................... .............................10
Section 4: Determination of Elasticity ............................................................................................ .............................12
Summary................................................................................................................................................. .............................12
Section5: Public Involvement ............................................................................................................ .............................13
PublicMeetings ................................................................................................................................ .............................13
AgencyInterviews .......................................................................................................................... .............................14
Section 6: Alternative Fare Structure Selection and Evaluation .......................................... .............................17
FareRevenue Gains .......................................................................................................................... ...............................
22
Section7: Equity Analysis .................................................................................................................... .............................23
Demographics....................................................................................................................................... .............................23
Methodology..................................................................................................................................... .............................26
Effects of the Proposed Fare Increase ......................................................................................... .............................27
Proposed Actions (Avoid, Minimize, Mitigate) ........................................................................ .............................29
Conclusion.............................................................................................................................................. .............................29
Section 8: Study Recommendations ................................................................................................ .............................31
FareChange Recommendation ...................................................................................................... .............................31
Additional Cost - Effectiveness Recommendations ................................................................. .............................31
Conclusion.............................................................................................................................................. .............................33
Appendix A: Independent Statistician Elasticity Estimations for CAT Ridership .......... .............................34
AppendixB: Public Workshop Notices ............................................................................................ .............................41
Appendix C: Public Workshop Transcripts .................................................................................... .............................42
List of Figures
Figure1: CAT Ridership Trend ........................................................................................................... ............................... 7
Figure 2: Fixed -Route Revenue Trend ............................................................................................. ............................... 8
Figure 3: Paratransit Ridership Trend ............................................................................................. ............................... 9
Figure 4: Paratransit Revenue Trend ............................................................................................... .............................10
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List of Tables
Table1: CAT Fare Structure History ................................................................................................. ............................... 5
Table2: CAT Fare Policy Peers ........................................................................................................... .............................11
Table 3: Peer Comparison of Fare Structures ............................................................................... .............................11
Table4: Elasticity Estimates ................................................................................................................ .............................12
Table 5: CAP System Ridership and Fare Revenue Projections ............................................ .............................18
Table 6: Farebox Revenue Based on Trip Type Fare Structure ............................................. .............................20
Table 7: Farebox Revenue Based on Distance -Based Fare Structure ................................. .............................21
Table 8: Collier County Low- Income and Minority Populations ........................................... .............................23
Table 9: Fixed -Route On -Board Survey Results ......................................................................... ............................... 26
Table 10: CAP Minority & Low - Income Ridership (Based on Inferences) ........................ .............................27
List of Maps
Map 1: Study Area and Existing Bus Routes .................................................................................. ............................... 3
Map 2: Existing Bus Routes and Below Poverty Population ................................................... .............................24
Map 3: Existing Bus Routes and Minority Population ............................................................... .............................25
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Section 1: Introduction
Collier County, located in the southwest portion of the State of Florida, according to the 2010 U.S.
Census has a population of approximately 321,520. The Collier County Alternative Transportation
Modes Department administers Collier County's public transportation system, known as Collier
Area Transit (CAT), and serves as the Community Transportation Coordinator (CTC) for Collier
County. As the CTC, CAT is responsible for the coordination of transportation services throughout
Collier County. The services provided by CAT include fixed -route transit service, the required
Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) service, Medicaid transportation service, and Transportation
Disadvantaged (TD) services. CAT also partners with Lee County Transit (LeeTran) to provide an
express route between the two counties. The funding for these transportation services is provided
by a variety of sources, including the State Commission for the Transportation Disadvantaged
(CTD), the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT), Medicaid, the Federal Transit
Administration (FTA), local funding, and directly generated revenues. Despite the various sources
of revenue, the costs for public transportation services in Collier County has risen in recent years
resulting in a shortfall between operating expenses and revenues. Due to the shortfall, CAT is
exploring a fare increase on some of its services.
Transit providers within service areas containing more than 200,000 residents are required under
Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to complete an equity analysis of any major service change or
fare change. CAT conducted this fare equity analysis in compliance with FTA Circular 4702.1A. The
analysis must be completed during the programming stages, regardless of the proposed fare
increase or decrease amount. Requirements for major service changes differ based on the
magnitude of changes and established thresholds.
The objectives of FTA's Title VI Program, as set forth in FTA Circular 4702.1A, "Title VI Program
Guidelines for Federal Transit Administration Recipients," are:
• To ensure that FTA- assisted benefits and related services are made available and are
equitably distributed without regard to race, color, or national origin;
• To ensure that the level and quality of FTA- assisted transit services are sufficient to provide
equal access and mobility for any person without regard to race, color, or national origin;
• To ensure that opportunities to participate in the transit planning and decision - making
process are provided to persons without regard to race, color, or national origin;
• To ensure that decisions on the location of transit services and facilities are made without
regard to race, color, or national origin; and
• To ensure that corrective and remedial action is taken by all applicants and recipients of
FTA assistance to prevent discriminatory treatment of any beneficiary based on race, color,
or national origin.
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CAT's fixed -route and express -route services are open to the general public, while customers
utilizing any of the paratransit services (ADA, TD, and Medicaid) must be approved for service
through an eligibility process. The existing CAT service area and routes are shown in Map 1. The
paratransit trips are administered by CAT through the Collier Area Paratransit (CAP) program.
Passengers must complete an application as part of the certification process and qualify as eligible
under the ADA, Medicaid, and /or TD program to utilize paratransit services. The majority of CAP
trips are provided for travel to medical appointments, nutrition sites, and employment.
Since CAT began operating the CAP system in 2006, the one -way passenger fare has not increased.
Over the past six years, CAT has increased the fixed -route fare twice; however, the paratransit fare
has remained the same in an effort to maintain transportation costs for those persons on fixed
incomes and who are most reliant on the public transportation system. While the paratransit fare
has remained static at $2.00, overall system expenditures have significantly increased due to fuel
costs and other operating expenditures outside of CAT's control. In addition, increases in the CAP
ridership are also contributing to the rising program costs. As a result, the CAP expenses continue
to increase, the available funding is exhausted earlier, and the County share continues to increase to
cover the shortfall.
While CAT is experiencing increases in operating costs, it must also struggle with local funding
decreases, placing the system in a financial crisis. The County continues to experience budgetary
challenges due to the global economic recession and the related impacts on Collier County's
economy. The County has lost approximately $63 million in ad valorem taxes due to the taxable
value reduction since FY 2008. According to the County's FY 2012 adopted budget, County staff will
need to explore all available options to minimize service level changes in FY 2013 and beyond,
including optimization of existing resources.
CAT is consistently reviewing ways to improve service efficiencies and reduce overall operating
costs to contend with these financial woes and optimize the system's operating characteristics.
Most recently, CAT has increased its efforts to collect fares from CAP passengers who are not paying
for their trips. According to CAT, a result of the improved effort is that current fare collection is up
from 65 percent in previous years to approximately 80 percent during the current fiscal year. CAT
cannot deny Medicaid trips to passengers who refuse to pay; therefore, there are no alternative
options for CAT to increase collections with regard to Medicaid customers unwilling to pay the fare.
CAT continues to review other opportunities to reduce overall operating costs and increase system
revenues. These alternatives range from evaluation of a proposed fare increase on the CAP system,
reducing operating expenses through additional multi - loading, and more aggressive education
campaigns and policies and procedures to reduce fare evasion.
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This study has been completed in an effort to examine potential alternatives for generating
additional revenue to cover the operating budget shortfall and to meet the FTA Title VI
requirement. CAT is experiencing an 8 to 10 percent increase in paratransit trips resulting in an
anticipated FY 2013 shortfall of $164,000 to $250,000, depending on the actual increase in
ridership for the complete fiscal year. To avoid any reductions in current transit services, CAT will
have to generate additional revenue and create efficiencies within the existing system.
In compliance with FTA Circular 4702.1A, minority and low- income populations were examined to
determine whether any disproportionate impacts would occur based on the potential fare changes.
In addition, if a disproportionate impact was identified, justification on how an alternate action
would result in an even greater impact to these populations or actions to mitigate the potential
impacts has been identified. Section 7 of this report includes the fare equity analysis that is
required when considering the implementation of a fare change. The analysis was completed using
the County's most recently available demographics and transit agency statistics.
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Section 2: Previous and Existing Fare Collection System
Table 1 presents the CAT fare structures since Collier County began operating the public transit
system. Fare structure updates were instituted in 2006 and 2009 for fixed -route and express -route
service.
Table 1.: CAT Fare Structure History
Category
2005 & Prior
August 2006 ?,
March 2009
Full Fixed -Route Fare
$1.00
$1.25
$1.50
Reduced Fixed -Route Fare
$0.50
$0.60
$0.75
Transfer
Free
Free
$0.75
Reduced Transfer
Free
Free
$0.35
Children
Age 6 & Under
Free
Age 6 & Under
Free
Age 5 & Under
Free
All Day Pass
$3.00
$4.00
$4.00
Reduced All Day Pass
$1.50
$2.00
$2.00
Weekly Pass
-
-
$15.00
Reduced Weekly Pass
-
-
$7.50
Monthly Pass
$30.00
$35.00
$35.00
Reduced Monthly Pass
$15.00
$17.50
$17.50
Marco Express Single Fare
$2.00
$2.50
$2.50
Reduced Marco Express Single Fare
$1.00
$1.20
$1.20
Marco Express Monthly Pass
$60.00
$70.00
$70.00
Reduced Marco Express Monthly Pass
$30.00
$35.00
$35.00
ADA Fare
$2.00
$2.00
$2.00
Medicaid Fare
$1.00 fare or
co- payment
$1.00 fare or
co- payment
$1.00 fare or
co- payment
TD Fare - Under Poverty Level
$0.00
$0.00
$0.00
TD Fare - 101% to 150% of Poverty Level
$2.00
$2.00
$2.00
TD Fare - 151% to 225% of Poverty Level
$3.00
$3.00
$3.00
TD Fare - 226% to 237% of Poverty Level
$4.00
$4.00
$4.00
TD Fare - +337% of Poverty Level
$6.00
$6.00
$6.00
Existing Fare Structure
Fixed -route bus service is available to all residents and visitors for a base fare of $1.50 per one -way
trip. CAT began charging for transfers on the fixed -route system at the same time that the last fare
increase was implemented in 2009. Children age five and under may ride for free when
accompanied by an adult.
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Fares on the paratransit system have not been increased since CAT began operating the system in
2006. The one -way fare for ADA- eligible riders on CAP is $2.00. FTA regulations do not allow the
ADA fare to be increased to more than twice the regular fixed -route fare. The TD fare is income -
based, with riders below the poverty level riding CAP for free and ranging up to $6.00 for persons
337 percent above the poverty level. CAT may increase the TD fare to any level it deems
appropriate, pending the completion of an equity analysis as required by FTA and approval of the
Local Coordinating Board and the Collier County Board of County Commissioners. Medicaid riders
pay a $1.00 fare. The Medicaid fare may not be increased any higher than the existing $1.00 fare as
set by the State of Florida. All CAP patrons must be certified as eligible to use the system under one
of the programs. Patrons may qualify under multiple CAP programs.
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Section 3: Fare Policy and Structure Assessment
A ridership trend analysis was completed to review system ridership growth before and after the
most recent fare increase. Since the paratransit fare has never been increased, the most recent
2009 fixed -route fare increase was used for evaluating the impacts of a fare increase on both the
fixed -route and paratransit systems.
Figure 1 provides the trend in total ridership for CAT between fiscal years 2008 through 2011.
• The trend analysis of ridership growth before and after the March 2009 fare change
indicates an increase in the ridership growth trend prior to the fare change and a decrease
in the ridership growth trend following the fare change between March 2009 and
September 2011. That trend is displayed in Figure 1 by the blue and red dotted lines.
• Ridership decreased more than 1 percent following the March 2009 fare increase; however,
ridership increased over the trend period from 89,827 riders in October 2007 to 92,051
riders in September 2011.
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Figure 2; Fixed -Route Revenue Trend.
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the fare change.
Figure 3 shows the trend in total ridership for CAP between fiscal years 2008 and 2011.
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system in Collier County, the ridership trend uses the fixed -route fare change as the
comparison point. The blue dotted line shows the trend prior to the fixed -route fare change
and the red dotted line shows the trend following the fare change. The CAP system was not
affected by the fixed -route increase. Ridership has continued to increase over the trend
period by approximately 10 percent.
Figure 4 displays the trend in total revenue for the CAP system between fiscal years 2009 and 2011.
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2008 to August 2011. While the fare was not increased on the paratransit system, the
revenue has increased by approximately 50 percent since March 2009. This increase in
revenue correlates to the increase in ridership.
Peer Analysis
A comparative analysis of similar transit systems to CAT was performed to assist in determining the
appropriateness of specific fare policies and fare structures. A peer review is a common tool
utilized by transit agencies to compare and evaluate transit systems operating within a similar
operating environment or that might share other similar system characteristics. For the CAT fare
policy peer review, peer systems were selected based on the following.
• Peer transit systems from the CAT Transit Development Plan and Transportation
Disadvantaged Service Plan
• CAT staff input
Table 2 presents the CAT peers systems.
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2008 to August 2011. While the fare was not increased on the paratransit system, the
revenue has increased by approximately 50 percent since March 2009. This increase in
revenue correlates to the increase in ridership.
Peer Analysis
A comparative analysis of similar transit systems to CAT was performed to assist in determining the
appropriateness of specific fare policies and fare structures. A peer review is a common tool
utilized by transit agencies to compare and evaluate transit systems operating within a similar
operating environment or that might share other similar system characteristics. For the CAT fare
policy peer review, peer systems were selected based on the following.
• Peer transit systems from the CAT Transit Development Plan and Transportation
Disadvantaged Service Plan
• CAT staff input
Table 2 presents the CAT peers systems.
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Peer Groups
Location
Escambia County Area Transit (ECAT)
Pensacola, Florida
Lakeland Area Mass Transit District LAMTD
Lakeland, Florida
Lee County Transit LeeTran
Fort Myers, Florida
Manatee County Area Transit MCAT
Bradenton, Florida
Okaloosa County Transit OCT
Fort Walton Beach, Florida
Pasco County Public Transportation PCPT
Port Richey, Florida
Sarasota County Area Transit SCTA
Sarasota, Florida
Space Coast Area Transit SCAT
Cocoa, Florida
Volusia County Transit Votran
South Daytona, Florida
Information on fare policy and fare structure was collected either directly from the transit agency's
website or by contacting each agency's public information telephone line. Table 3 summarizes the
fare structure, fares, and transfer policies for each of the peer transit agencies. Important to note is
that most transit systems are charging ADA fares greater than the CAP fare of $2.00 per one -way
trip. With ADA one -way trip costs ranging from $2.00 to $4.00, the peer group average is
approximately $2.60. The CAP fare is 30 percent less than the peer group average fare.
Table 3: Peer Comparison of Fare Structures
Transit
System
Base Fare
Daily
Pass
7 -Day
Pass
Monthly
Pass
Transfer
(Y /N)
Transfer
Fare
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ADA Fare
TD Fare
TD Bus
Pass
CAT
$1.50
$4.00
$15.00
$35.00
Y
$0.75
$2.00
Income
N
ECAT
$1.75
$5.25
$14.50
$47.00
Y
Free
$3.50
Y
LAMTD
$1.50
-
$12.00
$47.00
Y
Free
$2.00
Y
LeeTran
$1.25
$3.50
$12.50
$35.00
N
-
$2.50
MCAT
$1.25
$3.00
$15.00
$30.00
Y
$0.25
$2.00
N
OCT
$1.00
-
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$26.00
Y
$0.25
Varied
$0.25
PCPT
$1.50
$3.75
-
$37.50
N
-
$4.00
$2.00
$1.00
SCTA
$1.25
$4.00
$20.00
$50.00
N
$2.50
$2.00
$2.00 (ADA)
J$1.50 TD
SCAT
$1.25
-
$35.00
Y
Free
$2.50
$1.25
N
Votran
$1.25
$3.00
$12.00
$40.00
N
$2.50
Varies
N
'-The OCT ADA fare is calculated based on both trip length and income; therefore, the agency could not provide the cost per
trip.
2. The CAT TD fare is income -based ranging from $0 to $6, with persons earning below the poverty level paying $0.
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Section 4: Determination of Elasticity
In order to estimate the impact of fare increases on ridership, a fare elasticity analysis was
completed for the CAT system. The purpose of developing the elasticity was to estimate the
impacts of fare increases on paratransit ridership; however, it was impossible to determine
paratransit -only elasticity given the data available since no previous fare changes occurred. The
data sample must include some type of price change; therefore, the approach taken was to estimate
the fixed -route system's transit demand elasticity and infer the paratransit elasticity. Inferences
could be made since the overall transit demand conducted for the fixed -route system was normal,
meaning elasticity between -0.3 to -0.5.
A major determinant of elasticity is the availability of substitutes to the fare change, including fare
passes. For paratransit, there are even fewer substitutes than the fixed - route. The alternatives
include cabs, driving, or rides with others and often many of those substitutes are not options for
ADA and TD passengers. Therefore, to account for the lack of substitutes it is the professional
opinion of the statistician for this analysis, Dr. Brad Kamp, professor of Economics at the University
of South Florida, that the paratransit elasticity would be somewhere between 20 to 40 percent of
the regular transit elasticity.
Summary
Appendix A includes a summary of the various analyses that were completed to estimate elasticity.
Table 4 displays the elasticity estimates for both fixed -route and paratransit. It is recommended
that CAT conduct a paratransit rider survey to gather data and better understand what determines
the paratransit users' mode choice. The survey data may be used to complete a paratransit
elasticity based on paratransit ridership rather than inferences from the fixed -route system. CAT is
in the process of contracting for a comprehensive operations analysis for fixed -route and
paratransit service that will include on -board surveys.
It is recommended that CAT staff consider the following elasticities for use: a total ridership fixed -
route elasticity of -0.37 and a total ridership elasticity of -0.12 for the paratransit system. The
paratransit elasticity has been applied to some revenue projections made later in this document for
the purpose of assessing the actual revenue that could be generated if the ADA and TD fares were
increased.
'fable 4: Elasticity Fsti hates
Data Utilized
Elasticity
Fixed- Route, All Riders
Paratransit, All 'Riders
Revenue Mile Data, Labor Force
Statistics, Gasoline Prices, and Fare Data
-0.37
-0.12
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Section 5: Public Involvement
A series of public outreach activities were conducted as part of the fare evaluation in order to
obtain feedback from the general public. Two public meetings and four agency discussion groups
were held to discuss the potential fare increase. With the exception of a couple participants who
felt that any increase would be a hardship for their clients, the general consensus among the groups
was for CAT to proceed with the lowest fare increase possible in lieu of reducing the existing
service. Meeting participants shared many creative ideas in an effort to help CAT cover the budget
shortfall and maintain existing service levels. More specifically, many participants commented that
tasteful advertising on the buses should be further explored as a source for additional revenue.
Each of the meetings is described in greater detail below.
Public Meetings
Two public meetings were conducted as part of the fare equity analysis. The meetings were noticed
in the local newspaper in both Spanish and English languages and advertised on the buses, see
Appendix B. In addition, bilingual representatives were present at both meetings to provide
language assistance to Limited English Proficiency (LEP) attendees. A transcriptionist was also
present at both meetings to formally document all discussion and public comment for an official
record.
Collier County Complex, Human Resources Training Room
A public meeting was held on Wednesday, February 15, 2012, from 5:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. The
meeting began with a formal presentation, including an overview of CAT and CAP services, system
ridership trends, fare elasticity, peer review of fare structures, equity analysis, fare increase
scenarios, and recommendations. Following the presentation, members of the public were given
time to ask questions and make comments for the record. The following is a summary of the key
comments made at the meeting. The meeting transcription in its entirety is included as Appendix C
of this report.
• A user of the transit system commented that the fare increase makes sense based on the
price of gas and the cost of maintenance. She would rather have the fare increased by $1
than have the service reduced.
• Reducing the number of days that certain trips, such as shopping, are provided would be
very acceptable.
• Being in a wheelchair, there is no other way to get somewhere other than paratransit.
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Immokalee Library
A public meeting was held on Thursday, February 16, 2012, from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. The
meeting began with a formal presentation, followed by a discussion period and opportunity for the
general public to provide comments on the record. The following is a summary of the key
comments made at the meeting. The meeting transcription in its entirety is included as Appendix B
of this report.
• It seems like the audience is captive; therefore, if the fare is raised they must pay the extra
money.
• Previous public meetings have been held on the topic of a CAP fare increase. More than 250
people attended a total of three meetings on this topic in 2011. Person after person
commented that they would be more than happy to pay an additional fee if that is what it
took to maintain the services.
• Representatives have said that the fares have to be raised to increase revenue, but the fare
cannot be raised on Medicaid users.
• Golden Gate Estates is not a minority or low income community and it is the most rural area
with no bus service.
• With a $1 increase, the system will still need additional revenue to cover the projected
shortfall.
• Members of the public that attended previous public meetings regarding the fare increase
should be asked to attend the County Commission meeting.
• CAT should reach out to some of the agencies that have money to help finance the people
going to their facilities or private charities that could fund the shortfall, if that is legal.
Agemy Interviews
A total of four meetings were held to obtain input from human services agency representatives and
Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) committee members. Invitations were sent human
services agencies, MPO committees, and participants from other transportation meetings affording
them the opportunity to participate in any of the planned discussion group meetings as their
schedules permitted. A total of 12 persons participated in the agency interviews /discussion
groups. Those persons were representatives from Elder Affairs, Sunrise Community of Collier,
Collier County, Care Club, the Local Coordinating Board (LCB), CAT, Foundation for the
Developmentally Disabled, Naples Shelter,
Network, and a paratransit contract provider
during each of the meetings.
Pathways Advisory Committee, Island Coast AIDS
Below is a summary of the discussion that occurred
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Meeting 1
• Advertising on the buses would benefit CAT.
• Social trips for the developmentally disabled may not be considered a priority, but those
trips are critical.
• Contractors have concerns that a TD bus pass would put them out of business.
• If the fare increase is well explained, than the increase should be accepted.
• The fare increase should be minimized as much as possible.
• Approximately 95 percent of the developmentally disabled are considered low- income, on
social security, and reliant on their parents for money.
• Agencies should survey their users to determine more specific impacts of a fare increase on
their clients.
Meeting 2
• The rate should definitely be raised.
• Mobility for the residents of Golden Gate Estates is a concern.
• Immokalee residents go to doctors in Naples.
• Shopping should be limited to three days per week.
• CAT should consider limiting recreational trips to two days a month.
• Increasing the fare from $3.00 to $10.00 per trip is a hardship.
• System suspensions should be implemented for non - paying customers.
• Often, five buses show up at the same time to pick up the passengers, but loading the buses
takes time so it would be better to stagger the arrival of buses.
• Agencies have researched purchasing vehicles, but concluded that they cannot sustain a
program based on the costs of directly providing trips, the County size, and location of
customers.
• The service is wonderful, even if the fare goes up $1.00.
Meeting 3
• Many TD passengers live in Golden Gate Estates because that is where they can afford.
• Agency customers using Medicaid service would be jeopardized if the service were
eliminated.
• Certain types of trips should be limited to specific days; however, assigning allotments of
trips per month would be preferred over restricting days.
• Social trips should be prioritized last.
• Service needs to be made available to the neediest people who have no means of becoming
not needy.
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• There is a need to reevaluate advertising on the buses. The County should sell bus wraps to
one company for conformity.
• Many agency meetings are Monday, Wednesday, and Friday so that the agencies can
monitor their clients throughout the week. If other days are preferred for use of the CAP
system, CAT should communicate the need to the agencies.
• Later evening hours would allow for later support group meetings.
• CAT should have fundraisers to generate additional revenue.
• The preference would be to maintain the existing fare and make advertising available on the
buses to cover the revenue shortfall.
• The terminal is not user friendly.
• Efforts are being taken by CAT to redesign the terminal and make it safer and more
accessible for all.
• Social justice issues exist between the funding levels for transit versus the subsidies for
building new roads.
Meeting 4
• CAT takes Children Medical Services clients to Miami, including the caretakers and family
members all for $1.00.
• There are almost no Medicaid providers in Collier County, which requires clients to travel
outside of the County for medical needs.
• Not renewing the Medicaid program is scary.
• Disabled persons rely on recreational trips for social interaction. If not for those trips, they
would not leave their homes.
• Disabled clients have fixed- incomes and live off of little money. An additional dollar per
one -way trip would be a hardship.
• Greater enforcement of suspensions for persons unwilling to pay their fare should occur to
ensure that all persons pay.
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Section 6: Alternative Fare Structure Selection and Evaluation
Three fare structure change scenarios were used to analyze the impacts of the potential fare
adjustment alternatives.
1. Income -Based Fares - Existing fare policies remain the same with an equal increase across
the entire fare structure with the exception of Medicaid.
2. Trip -Based Fares - The existing fare policies and structures would be modified to charge
fares based on the type of trip using a prioritized listing of trip purposes. Trips for medical
purposes would be given the highest priority and lowest fare, followed by employment and
education.
3. Distance -Based Fares - The existing fare policies and structures would be modified to
charge fares based on the length of the trip. Within the distance -based fare structure, trips
with fewer miles would be charged the lowest fares.
The proposed fare alternatives were analyzed in order to find the total revenue and ridership gain
or loss for each scenario. Table 5 illustrates the existing ridership and projected revenue at a fare
increase ranging from $0.50 to an increase of $3.00. In addition, Table 5 includes the projected
ridership levels with the application of the fare increase and the corresponding revenue to be
generated with the elasticity -based ridership projections. Based on the varying programs offered
under the CAP services, the proposed increases were applied as follows.
• No increase to Medicaid transportation under any scenario.
• An increase starting at $0.50 for ADA service up to $1.00. At a $1.00 increase, the new CAP
ADA fare would be $3.00 and amount to twice the regular fixed -route fare. In scenarios
considering an increase above $1.00, the ADA fare is maintained at the $1.00 increase.
• Increases to the TD fare ranging from $0.50 to a top -level increase of $3.00 per one -way
trip.
As shown in Table 5, the projected revenue at a $1.00 increase to the ADA and TD fare will generate
an additional $81,473 at the existing ridership levels and an additional $79,701 in fare revenue
when the elasticity is applied to the ridership at 100 percent collection. At the 80- percent
collection rate the actual farebox revenue generated ranges from $65,178 to $63,761, at existing
and elasticity- applied ridership levels, respectively. In addition, with the elasticity- applied
ridership level there would be approximately a six percent decrease in ridership. This ridership
decrease would reduce the CAP system costs by approximately $185,000 when using the fiscal year
2011 average paratransit trip costs of $29.22. The increased farebox collection plus the trip cost
reduction would cover the current shortfall; however, if trip levels do not decrease by six percent, a
shortfall will still exist, even at the increased fare level.
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structure were implemented. This table utilizes ridership provided by CAP for the existing trips by
category. Elasticity is not applied to the ridership, so the fare generation is higher than what actual
fare generation would be if this structure were implemented. Based on the fares increasing for
some individuals, they might choose to reduce some trip types. As stated previously, elasticity was
not developed for this fare structure and, therefore, is not applied. The following is assumed in
Table 6.
• Medicaid trips are maintained in each scenario at the $1.00 fare.
• Medicaid trips have been deducted from the total medical trips prior to applying the ADA
and TD trip percentages to determine these trips levels.
• ADA trips are assumed at 35 percent of all trip types based on the current ratio of ADA and
TD trips in the CAP system.
• TD trips are assumed at 65 percent of all trip types based on the current ratio of ADA and
TD trips in the CAP system.
• The base fare scenario assumes a $2.00 - per -trip fare generating $199,227 in total revenue
for 113,422 trips.
• The ADA fare is not increased beyond the $1.00 amount in any of the fare scenarios.
• The TD fare is increased from between $0.50 to $7.00, which would make the highest TD
fare under the last scenario $9.00 per one -way trip for the other personal category.
While a trip -based fare structure would generate more revenue than an across - the -board fare
increase, as discussed later in this document, this change to fare structure would create a more
disproportionate impact to some low- income passengers.
Table 7 identifies the farebox revenue based on a distance -based fare structure. The distance -
based fare structure on its premise appears more equitable as those persons requiring longer trip
distances; thereby, having a higher trip operating costs, would pay a greater fare. However, since
the majority of Collier County's low- income and minority CAP system users live on the external
portions of the County and further away from inner -city services, this option would also have a
disparate impact on some system users. CAT provided the ADA and TD distance based trips
between each mileage category from fiscal year 2011 trips. A fare increase was applied to all trips
using the same assumptions as Table 6, with the exception of the reduction of Medicaid trips from
the ADA and TD ridership as those numbers were not included in the trip by distance traveled
information provided by CAT. The distance based fare structure generates less revenue than the
trip type structure, but more than the across the board fare increase to the existing structure.
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Collection
Farebox
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Collection
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4,327
829
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29,685
$ 59,370
TD
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15,722
3,372
3,660
56,120
$ 112,240
Medicaid
27,617
$ 27,617
-159,382
Total
113,422
$ 199,277
N/A
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Increase
$1.00-
Increase
$2.00-
Increase
$3.00-
Increase
Total
Revenue
Amount of
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Amount of
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Amount of
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ADA
$ 58,230
$ 12,981
$ 2,487
$ 3,711
$ 77,409
TD
$ 83,415
$ 47,166
$ 13,488
$ 18,300
$ 162,369
Medicaid
$ 27,617
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-�-213,916
-54,534
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Revenue
Amount of
Revenue
Increase @
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Collection >s
Amount of
Increase at
80%
Collection
Amount of
Revenue
Increase @
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Collection
ADA
$ 69,876
$ 12,981
$ 2,487
$ 3,711
$ 89,055
TD
$ 100,098
$ 62,888
$ 16,860
$ 21,960
$ 201,806
Medicaid
$ 27,617
Total
31-8,478
$ 119,251
$ 254,782
$ 95,401
$2.00-
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$4.00-
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Amount of
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Increase @>
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Amount of
Increase at
80%
Collection
Amount of
Revenue
Increase @
80%
Collection
ADA
$ 69,876
$ 12,981
$ 2,487
$ 3,711
$ 89,055
TD
$ 133,464
$ 78,610
$ 20,232
$ 25,620
$ 257,926
Medicaid
$ 27,617
Total
374,598
$ 306,430
$ 299,678
$ 140,297
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The elasticity was developed based on the current fare structure model and, therefore, has not been
applied to the variation in projecting revenue by trip and distance. It is more difficult to apply an
elasticity not calculated for those purposes to the ridership because a trip could be a longer
distance at a higher fare, but for a medical trip that a person will take no matter the fare (as long as
the fare is not higher than market), where as a recreational trip at the higher fare may have a
greater elasticity as the price increases.
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Section 7: Equity Analysis
This section includes the FTA- required fare equity analysis that must be completed, in compliance
with Title VI requirements, to evaluate all potential fare changes, regardless of amount.
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To assess the fare change impacts on low- income and minority populations within Collier County,
data were collected from the 2006 -2010 American Community Survey (ACS), 5 -Year Estimates.
Table 8: Collier County Low- Income and Minority Populations
Source: 2006 -2010 American Community Survey 5 -Year Estimates.
Since paratransit services are provided to the entire County and demographic data have not been
collected on CAP customers, Geographic Information System (GIS) technology was used to review
ACS data for minority and low- income Census tracts throughout the County. To be sure that the
review assessed meaningfully greater population, an average of all minority and low- income
Census tracts was first computed as the threshold. The assessment determined that 27 percent of
the County's Census tracts are above the County average for persons below the poverty level and 24
percent of the Census tracts contain minority populations greater than the County average.
Map 2 depicts all below poverty Census tracts greater than the County average of 12.2 percent. As
shown in the map, the Census tracts with greater numbers of persons below the poverty level are
located in the rural northern- and southern -most portions of the County, with several in the more
dense urban area. These Census tracts all have full or partial fixed -route transit service in addition
to ADA, TD, and Medicaid services.
Map 3 depicts all minority Census tracts greater than the County average of 14.2 percent. Census
tracts with the highest minority populations are located in the northern -most portion of the county
and south of the urban area. These Census tracts all have full or partial fixed -route transit service
in addition to ADA, TD, and Medicaid services.
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Below Poverty
% Below Poverty
Minority
% Minority
County
Level Population
Level
Population
Population
Collier County
38,196
12.2%
44,958
14.2%
Source: 2006 -2010 American Community Survey 5 -Year Estimates.
Since paratransit services are provided to the entire County and demographic data have not been
collected on CAP customers, Geographic Information System (GIS) technology was used to review
ACS data for minority and low- income Census tracts throughout the County. To be sure that the
review assessed meaningfully greater population, an average of all minority and low- income
Census tracts was first computed as the threshold. The assessment determined that 27 percent of
the County's Census tracts are above the County average for persons below the poverty level and 24
percent of the Census tracts contain minority populations greater than the County average.
Map 2 depicts all below poverty Census tracts greater than the County average of 12.2 percent. As
shown in the map, the Census tracts with greater numbers of persons below the poverty level are
located in the rural northern- and southern -most portions of the County, with several in the more
dense urban area. These Census tracts all have full or partial fixed -route transit service in addition
to ADA, TD, and Medicaid services.
Map 3 depicts all minority Census tracts greater than the County average of 14.2 percent. Census
tracts with the highest minority populations are located in the northern -most portion of the county
and south of the urban area. These Census tracts all have full or partial fixed -route transit service
in addition to ADA, TD, and Medicaid services.
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The methodology for completing a demographic analysis of the CAP system used ACS data and
survey responses from the CAT TDP on -board survey completed in 2010. Demographic data are
not collected during the CAP program eligibility process and an on -board survey has not been
completed on the CAP system. Due to the lack of customer demographic data, inferences had to be
made based on the CAT survey responses and ACS estimates for the County.
Table 9 presents the paratransit demographic composition based on responses from the CAT fixed -
route on -board survey applied to the existing paratransit ridership, including Medicaid trips. The
percentages for each of the categories are applied to the CAP ADA and TD ridership in Table 10 to
estimate the number of low- income and minority passengers. Since the Medicaid fare is not being
changed, the equity analysis does not consider these users. It is important to note that one qualifier
for access to the TD program is income. Other qualifiers for access to the TD program include: age,
lack of any other transportation access, and disability. Fares are charged based on percentages of
the federal poverty level; therefore, the actual number of low- income users on the paratransit
system due to the TD program may be slightly higher than the number of fixed -route users. The
typical Collier County fixed -route user is also in the lower - income threshold. Because of the hour or
more headways on the fixed -route services, those persons in the County that can afford private
automobile transportation typically do not use the CAT system.
Table 9: Fixed -Route tin -Board Survey Results
Paratransit Trip -Based Demographics (Usage Inferred
from Fixed-Route Usage
Male
54,873
48%
Female
58,549
52%
Total
113,422
100%
White
23,883
21%
Black
15,123
13%
Hispanic
69,068
61%
Asian
1,936
2%
Other
3,412
3%
Total
113,422
100%
Under $10,000
37,529
33%
$10,000 to $19,999
25,925
23%
$20,000 to $29,999
17,249
15%
$30,000 to $39,999
8,049
7%
$40,000 to $49,999
2,300
2%
$50,000 or more
2,613
2%
Do not work
19,757
17%
Total
113,422
100%
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Table 10. CAI' Minority & Low - Income ridership (Based on Inferences)
Paratransit
Programs
Annual
Ridership
% Minority
Ridership
% Low- Income
Ridership
Annual
Minority Trips
Low- Income
Trips
ADA Program
28,106
78.9%
56.0%
22,176
15,739
TD Program
56,120
78.9%
56.0%
44,279
1 31,427
*Percentages of ridership are based on inferences made from the fixed -route on -board survey results.
From the demographic maps presented previously in this section, the determination can be made
that Census tracts on the periphery of the County contain higher percentages of minority and low -
income populations. These Census tracts are greater than the County average; therefore, it may
also be the case that the paratransit system provides service to more minority persons in
comparison to the fixed- route.
Effects of the Proposed Fare Increase
Each of the proposed scenarios presented in Section 6 were evaluated to determine the overall
effects, particularly on the low- income and minority populations. Based on the demographic
composition of CAP users inferred with fixed -route ridership data, the majority of passengers are
minority and low- income. Those persons would be impacted by any proposed fare change, but not
at a disproportionate level, as the majority of the system is minority and low- income and any
proposed increase would be applied to all system users. The impacts that would occur as a result of
implementation are summarized below under each of the proposed fare alternatives.
Fare Change ($1.00 ADA & TD Income -Based Structure)
• Persons below the poverty level currently pay the least of all system users. The existing
fare structure would remain under this alternative; therefore, persons earning the lowest
incomes would continue to pay the lowest fare to use the system.
• The TD program is an income qualifying program; therefore, low- income populations would
be impacted by the fare change. However, the proposed fare change is consistent across all
fare levels and would not disproportionately impact one group more than another. In
addition, the fare increase, while being a hardship to some users with lower incomes, would
be less drastic than a reduction in service to those same users.
• Based on the demographic composition of CAP users inferred from fixed -route ridership
data, the majority of passengers are minority and low- income. Those persons would be
impacted at a greater number by the proposed fare change, but not at a greater magnitude
than other system users.
• Increasing the fare based on the existing fare structure is not limited to any one geographic
area; therefore, there will not be a disproportionate impact to any one specific Census tract.
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An across - the -board increase to the base fare was reviewed for ADA and TD customers starting as
low as $0.50 and up to a $1.00 for ADA customers and $3.00 for TD customers. After review of the
impacts on ridership, the revenue generation, and the potential inequities of varying levels of fare
increases between ADA and TD customers it was determined that at this time only a $1.00 across -
the -board increase would be recommended. The revenue generation from a $0.50 increase, as
discussed in Section 6 will not generate enough revenue to reduce the shortfall.
Fare Change (Trip- Based)
• Persons below the poverty level who currently pay $0 per one -way trip may be required to
pay a significantly higher fare, depending on their trip purpose. The alternative could
disproportionately impact low- income populations more so than other alternatives.
• Data are not available to review paratransit users' income levels and minority status cross -
tabulated with trip types. Therefore, this analysis cannot determine if minority or low -
income persons have a need for one particular trip type. However, since a trip -based fare is
proposed to charge lower fares for employment trips versus recreational and social, it is
assumed that unemployed persons (lowest income bracket) would have a greater
disproportionate impact as more of their trips could potentially fall in the higher trip -based
fare categories, i.e., recreational, social, and other.
• The trip -based fare alternative is not limited to any geographic area; therefore, there will
not be a disproportionate impact to any one specific Census tract.
• This alternative requires CAT to prioritize the trips by type. Depending on the customers'
program qualifying conditions, trip types may have different levels of importance to
different passengers.
• The current fare structure for the TD program customers is based on income; therefore
changing to a trip -based fare structure would have a disproportionate impact on low -
income populations because these customers would no longer receive the benefit of paying
for service based on what they could reasonably afford and would be required to pay a fare
for every trip based on type.
Fare Change (Distance- Based)
• Based on the GIS analysis of Collier County's Census tracts, low- income and minority
populations are residing on the periphery of the County. Trips for those persons would
require the highest fares, resulting in a disproportionate impact
• This alternative may encourage customers to choose services closer to their origin and may
result in improved efficiency and cost - effectiveness. However, if customers are unable to
locate services within the shorter distance fare category, they would be required to pay the
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higher fare. Most services are located within the urban core; therefore, it is likely that both
the minority and low- income populations would incur the highest fare levels.
• Persons who cannot locate affordable housing options near CAT fixed- routes or their
service providers would be required to pay higher fares to travel longer distances.
• Individuals qualified to use CAP under the TD program based on their income would be
impacted by the fare change because they could go from no fare or lower fares under the
current structure to higher fares under a distance -based structure.
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FTA Circular 4702.1A states that a recipient can implement a major service reduction or fare
increase that would have a disproportionately high and adverse effect provided that it is
demonstrated that the action meets a substantial need that is in the public interest and that
alternatives would have more severe adverse effects than the preferred alternative.
In the previous section, each of the alternatives was reviewed to assess the impact on low- income
and minority populations in Collier County. The alternative with the least impact and the potential
to generate additional revenue to offset the possibility of future service reductions is the
implementation of a uniform $1.00 fare increase for the entire paratransit fare structure, except for
Medicaid trips. CAT has made every attempt since taking over the CAP system to maintain fares at
the lowest levels and has sustained those levels for 11 years. Due to the current budgetary
constraints and increasing ridership, the need for a fare increase is in the public interest and the
other alternatives (reduce service levels, discontinue service, or modify fare structure by trip type
or distance traveled) would have a more severe impact on paratransit users.
In addition, CAT has taken steps to improve farebox recovery and increase efficiency. Even with the
implementation of the fare increase, CAT will have to continue to make service efficiency
improvements and review other options for decreasing the budget shortfall. Some of those changes
may include the discontinuation of Medicaid service as recommended in the next section and /or
the limitation of recreational trips. CAT will continue to evaluate implementing service suspensions
for non - payment of fares for ADA and TD customers, and fee penalties for no shows in an effort to
collect the maximum farebox and reduce the number of vehicles that are unnecessarily dispatched.
Public outreach efforts indicated that the implementation of a fare increase rather than any future
service elimination is preferred by the general public. The analysis demonstrates that alternatives
other than an across - the -board $1.00 increase may disproportionately impact the low- income and
minority populations using the CAP system. Therefore, the fare equity analysis concludes that
implementation of the $1.00 across - the -board fare increase to TD and ADA customers should be the
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preferred alternative and is justified under the Title VI program in accordance with FTA Circular
4702.1A.
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Section 8: Study Recommendations
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It is recommended at this time that CAT implement an increase to the existing CAP fare structure of
$1.00 to the TD and ADA fare. It is also recommended that CAT review its fixed -route and CAP fare
structure every two to three years and implement smaller incremental increases over time to keep
pace with increasing costs. If costs have not increased over the reviewed time period, CAT will not
need to increase fares; however, if costs do increase, the fare increase will have a less significant
impact on users because it will be a smaller dollar value increase.
Designated Recreation and Shopping Trip Days
Based on the need to identify other creative efficiency system modifications, it is recommended that
CAT consider limiting specific types of trips (i.e., recreational and shopping) to certain days of the
week when the system has greater capacity to accommodate these trips. The greatest efficiency
savings for the CAP system would be achieved through the limitation of out -of- county trips to
specific days and locations versus trip -type limitations. Limiting out -of- county trips to specific days
and locations will increase multi- loading ability, while still providing the same access to various
locations. i.e., trips to Miami on Tuesdays, trips to Orlando on Thursdays.
Medicaid Contract Discontinuation
In consideration of the significant financial burdens placed on the paratransit system by providing
Medicaid transportation services, it is recommended that CAT discontinue the Medicaid contract
for the provision of Medicaid transportation services. Prior to federal fiscal year (FFY) 2008,
Medicaid transportation did not require a significant level of County subsidy to provide the service.
In FFY 2008, Medicaid legislation in the State of Florida underwent revision, which left many transit
systems with a tremendous financial burden related to Medicaid transportation. At that time, many
Florida transit providers opted out of providing Medicaid transportation and have not taken those
services back under their paratransit programs. Transit systems that opted out of Medicaid include
many of similar size to CAT, including Votran and Sarasota County Area Transit (SCAT).
Collier County has maintained operation of Medicaid transportation and, in 2008, provided a
subsidy increase of over 2,000 percent. This subsidy has continued to grow through FFY 2010 and
experienced a slight decline in FFY 2011. At the same time, the State Medicaid reimbursement had
an average decline, changing the State Medicaid reimbursement from covering 98 percent of
transportation costs in FFY 2007 to 42 percent in FFY 2011. In addition, the farebox recovery from
Medicaid passengers during FFY 2007 through FFY 2011 also declined. Due to the State prohibiting
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denial of trips to Medicaid passengers and maintaining control over the fare rate at $1.00, CAT has
no mechanism to reduce or eliminate the shortfall. This will mean that the County will have to
continue to subsidize Medicaid transportation at an unknown level for future services. If trips
continue to increase and the State reimbursement and policies regarding fare collection are
maintained, the County will have this uncertain financial burden.
As part of the Fare Study effort, numerous public meetings were conducted to obtain feedback from
agency representatives and users of the CAP system. During these meetings, it was repeatedly
mentioned that there are almost zero providers within Collier County that continue to accept
Medicaid as payment. The denial of Medicaid by physicians and medical establishments has
resulted in the Medicaid clients seeking medical services outside of the County. This problem of
locating providers is not unique to Collier County and many providers in neighboring counties are
also denying Medicaid patients, resulting in trips to Orlando and Miami for Medicaid reimbursed
medical services. The average Medicaid out -of- county trip cost is $129.00. Out -of- county miles
related to Medicaid transportation increased from approximately 186,000 in FFY 2008 to
239,000 in FFY 2011. If the Medicaid system continues to experience a shortage of providers
within Collier County, out -of- county trips may increase, which are more costly. However, there
may also be a decline in ridership as individuals experiencing difficulty with finding a provider may
choose not to seek medical care or services.
Based on the analysis completed of the CAT system's operating statistics, the following bullets
summarize the supporting facts for the recommendation to eliminate the operation and
administration of Medicaid service under CAT.
1. The fully loaded FY 2012 Medicaid cost per one -way trip is projected at $39.62. The total
projected cost of providing Medicaid trips in FY 2012 is $1,139,396. The Medicaid
reimbursement and the related farebox revenue are projected at $579,797 and $8,358,
respectively. Therefore, the County's projected contribution of $551,241 in local funds
would be needed to cover the shortfall. It is important to note that CAT is estimating a more
conservative increase based on the average trip costs versus the monthly program costs from
the first four months of FY201Z which was used to project the numbers included in the Fare
Study report.
2. The passenger fare for a Medicaid one -way trip is $1.00 regardless of distance or income.
CAT cannot increase this fare and cannot deny transportation to any passenger unwilling to
pay the $1.00 fare.
3. CAT is currently collecting approximately 80 percent of the fares that are due. This is partly
a result of the Medicaid requirement that agencies cannot refuse to provide transportation
to Medicaid passengers regardless of fare collection. Passengers refusing to pay the fare
only add to the existing operating shortfall that is being covered through County funds.
4. Many transit agencies in the State of Florida have discontinued their Medicaid contracts and
Medicaid has entered into contracts with private transportation operators. Medicaid is
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negotiating higher reimbursement rates with these private transportation operators,
resulting in the private operators collecting more reimbursement from Medicaid in
comparison to the public transit agencies.
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While the County has also experienced an increase in the TD trip subsidy from FFY 2008 through
FFY 2010, with a slight decline in FFY 2011 of three percent, the County with LCB approval can
adjust TD passenger fares, limit trips, prioritize trips, and implement a host of other alternatives to
bring TD costs in line with revenues. In FFY 2007, the TD reimbursement from the CTD covered 60
percent of the program costs. The CTD contribution has decreased to 35 percent in FFY 2011.
Therefore, CAT has the ability to modify service and rates to bring the County subsidy back in line
with the available revenues.
If CAT were to discontinue Medicaid trips, the State would have the responsibility of finding an
alternate provider in the area; therefore, residents would still have transportation, but the County
would not be able to regulate the quality of that transportation. The new provider would contract
directly with Medicaid rather than Collier County as the Community Transportation Coordinator.
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Appendix A: Independent Statistician Elasticity Estimations for CAT
Ridership
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I. Introduction
While Collier desired an estimate of its paratransit elasticity, it is impossible to estimate the
paratransit elasticity directly given the data that were provided. To estimate elasticity, there would
need to be some type of price change during the data sample. Since the paratransit fares have not
been changed since CAT's provision of the program, no such data exist to directly estimate
paratransit elasticity. The studies reviewed, to determine an appropriate mechanism to actually
estimate elasticity for the CAP system, would require the use of survey data. This might be an
approach for Collier to take with future CAP elasticity estimates: have the paratransit riders
complete a survey at the end of their trip. The data gathered from the survey could be utilized to
estimate a direct CAP elasticity and may also be used to better understand what determines mode
choice (paratransit, regular bus, cab, car, etc.) - this is really what the papers examined were more
concerned with (see the list reviewed at the end of this summary). The elasticity estimates in these
papers were a bonus result to the estimation of the CAP elasticity, providing additional data
support
The approach used to estimate Collier's transit demand elasticity - as completed for various other
transit systems in Florida, such as LYNX and PSTA, was to determine the fixed -route elasticity and
then use that to infer the paratransit elasticity. The main concern was that transit demand in
Collier was assumed to be quite different than in other counties, making it more difficult when
trying to determine a reasonable estimate for paratransit. Fortunately, this was not the case and
the demand for public transit in Collier County appeared to be quite "normal," so that educated
inference as to the effects of prices on paratransit could be calculated. To complete the elasticity for
the CAP system, CAT's overall transit elasticity was developed.
"Normal" transit demands tend to have an elasticity somewhere in the -0.3 to -0.5 range. The well -
known Simpson -Curtin rule is that the elasticity is - 1/3. The American Public Transportation
Association (APTA) completed an extensive study in 1991 that questioned the blind use of the
Simpson- Curtin rule and provided some methodology suggestions, including the two methods that
are used in this study. The main result from the APTA study is that demand elasticities, particularly
for small agencies, can run higher than -1/3, with values between -0.4 and -0.5 being reasonable.
The study estimated 52 transit elasticities. Cities over 1 million people had an average elasticity of
-0.36; under a million averaged -0.43.
II. Data Limitations
Our data spanned from January 2008 to November 2011, providing 47 monthly observations.
During this time period, there was one pricing change. In March 2009, full fare and reduced fare
single rides were increased from $1.25 to $1.50 and $0.60 to $0.75, respectively. In addition, CAT
started charging for transfers (754 for full, 354 for reduced). None of the other fares were changed
at that time (or anytime during our data set). What we saw was a dramatic decrease in single rides
and transfers, and a big increase in pass purchases (for example, CAT sold 690 full -day passes in
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March '08 and 2,654 in March '09). Total ridership had a drop, but not a significant one. To
acquire a good estimate of the overall ridership elasticity, we would need an across -the -board
change in the nominal fare (as in August '06); however similar data for this time period through
November 2011 were not available. The single ride elasticity at the full and reduced rate was
estimated. Since transfers were included up to March '09, I added to the fare the average transfer
cost (number of transfers / single riders x transfer price). This elasticity is not really all that useful,
it just gives an idea of how willing people are to substitute passes for single ride tickets. To
estimate the total ridership elasticity, I used a measure of the average fare paid as my price.
Average price is endogenous (i.e., riders have some control over it, so the people you are trying to
measure affect one of the independent variables), so the estimate will be biased downwards. So, it
is best to think of the elasticity presented as the bottom of the range - the actual elasticity would be
slightly (0.02 - 0.1) higher. This endogeneity illustrates what economists call the substitution
effect, where people substitute to goods whose relative prices have fallen. Should CAT raise all
fares by the same percentage, there would be no substitution effect across ticket types, and demand
would fall more - hence, a more elastic demand.
III. Some Simple Background and Variable Definitions
Typically, the demand for transit depends on the price, the level of service, some demographics of
the region, the number of working days in the month, and prices of substitute transportation
modes. In this project, I used revenue miles as the proxy for level of service, the labor force as the
regional demographic, the price of gasoline as the price of substitute modes, and the real fare as the
price of transit. Real fares were obtained by dividing the nominal fare by the Consumer Price Index
(CPI) deflator. The CPI was normalized so that the base was January 2008. I was able to obtain
both national and southern regional CPIs. I ran one of the models with the southern CPI and
obtained the same result as with the national, so I have included only the national CPI models. The
price of gasoline is commonly used for the price of substitute modes, so it was used here. Tampa
Bay prices from the late 1990s on were similar to gas prices in Collier and were used in the
calculations. These prices came from American Automobile Association (AAA) South. Tampa Bay
and Collier gas prices move together making either location's prices substitutable. Workforce was
used as a proxy for population, mainly because the monthly employment data are more accurate
and readily available than monthly population data. Also, workforce and population are highly
correlated. The employment figures came from the Local Area Unemployment Statistics (LAUS)
data set. Data on revenue, ridership, and revenue miles were all provided by CAT.
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Variable definitions
The monthly data were run from January 2008 to November 2011, resulting in 47 observations.
The following is a list of variable names and definitions.
cpi Consumer price index (national, not seasonally adjusted), normalized so that October 2001
= 100
raff Real average full single ride fare. It was calculated as 1.25 /cpi until March 2009. Beginning
in March '09, the fare was adjusted to reflect the price increase as well as charging for transfers. To
adjust for the transfers, the ratio of transfers to single riders was determined, then this was
multiplied by 754 and added to $1.50. This was then deflated by the CPI. The CPI was normalized
so that the base was January 2008.
rapf Real average reduced single ride fare. It was calculated as 0.6 /cpi until March 2009.
Beginning in March '09, the fare was adjusted to reflect the price increase as well as charging for
transfers. To adjust for the transfers, the ratio of transfers to single riders was calculated, then this
was multiplied by 354 and added to $1.50. This was then deflated by the CPI. The CPI was
normalized so that the base was January 2008.
rff Average fare was calculated by dividing revenue by paying ridership. It was converted to
real terms in the same manner as the other variables.
revmile Revenue miles. Obtained from the CAT.
wkforce Collier County labor force. Obtained from the LAUS disk.
wdays Number of working days in the month. Holidays not considered working days were:
New Year's Day, Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday (January); President's Day (February); Memorial
Day (May); Independence Day (July); Labor Day (September); Thanksgiving (November); and
Christmas (December). If the non - Monday holidays fell on a weekend, no working days were lost.
rgas Real price of regular unleaded in the Tampa Bay region. (From AAA)
tride Total monthly paid ridership. Transfers are counted in this figure (even when
transfers were free, as they had to pay a fare). Free riders are not. Obtained from
CAT.
ffride Full -fare single trip ridership. Obtained from CAT.
pfride Reduced -fare single trip ridership. Obtained from CAT.
Natural logarithms (i.e., base e) were taken for all variables.. These are denoted by placing an "I" at
the beginning of the variable names listed above. E.g., Iwkforce = log(wkforce).
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First differences were also taken, both of the level and the logs of the series. Differenced data
variable names start with the letter "d." So, for example, dffride = ffridet - ffridet.1, while dlffride =
log(ffride)t - log(ffride)t., .
IV. Model Estimates
Initially, I worked on the total ridership series and used national CPI. The model was initially
estimated in logs, but there were problems with the residuals. The residuals seemed to have an
autoregressive component. This is pretty common when you work with time series. There are two
ways to correct for this, estimate a transfer function with an AR component, or difference the data.
I ran both models.
A transfer function combines regular OLS with ARIMA time - series modeling. I ran one, assuming
that the error terms followed an AR(1) process (i.e., xt = Rlxt -1 + rlt). The final model estimated after
dropping the constant (you usually do not keep constants in a transfer function), insignificant
variables (the gas prices were insignificant), and highly - correlated independent variables (such as
wdays) was estimated in logs:
ltridet = R1 lrfft + Rz Irevmilet + R3 lwkforcet + Et
The final estimate of this model (t -stats are below the coefficient estimates) without including the
error term AR(1) process:
ltridet = - 0.2971rfft + 0.9301revmilet + 0.046 lwkforcet
( -2.99) (8.29) (0.46)
adjusted Rz =.80, DW = 1.82 The residuals looked pretty good.
This gives a ridership / price elasticity of - 0.297. This is somewhat smaller than the Simpson - Curtin
result, but remember, this is biased downwards.
I also ran the regression in differenced logs.
dltridet = -0.319 dlrfft + 1.02 dlrevmilet + 1.59 dlwkforcet
( -3.74) (10.36) (3.43)
adjusted Rz =.71, DW = 2.77 The residuals looked pretty good.
This implies an elasticity of - 0.319. Not significantly different than the transfer function.
I also estimated the demand as linear. This is a typical starting point, and for short series, you
sometimes get a fairly accurate result. The estimated elasticity for this was -0.32.
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Given these results, I'm pretty confident that the total ridership for CAT's elasticity is somewhere
between -0.33 and -0.4. The most accurate elasticity number between this range would be
approximately -0.37.
I also ran these regressions for the single full and partial fare. I ran them in logs. There was no
problem with the residuals, so I didn't have to difference or run a transfer function. The wkforce
variable was dropped from the reduced fare model, as most people on reduced fares are not in the
labor force. While these specific calculations may not be of significant value to CAT, they served a
purpose in verifying the end results. Both of these elasticities should be much bigger than the
average fare, and the full fare should in theory be more elastic than the reduced fare. Obtaining this
result increases my confidence in the full ridership estimates. Here are the results:
lffridet = -30.66 - 1.351rafft - 0.101rgast + 0.931revmilet + 2.61 lwkforcet
(- 23.69) ( -4.02) (6.21) (10.68)
adjusted R2 = .97, DW = 2.73 The residuals looked pretty good. This gives an elasticity of -1.35 -
pretty large.
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1pfridet = -5.89 - 0.821rapft - 0.12 lrgast + 1.291revmilet
( -8.78) ( -2.17) (3.72)
adjusted R2 = .68, DW = 1.10 The residuals looked pretty good. This gives an elasticity of -0.82. As
predicted, much bigger than total ridership, but less elastic than full fare.
These agree with the theory mentioned above.
V. Paratransit
How can we adjust these to paratransit? I was able to locate three studies that actually give an
estimated value for the price elasticity for paratransit service. Again, all three of these estimates
were obtained from survey data - not actual price and ridership data. They run from a low of -0.04
(in Stern's paper) to -0.16 (in Franklin and Niemeier) and -0.21 (in Sutton). Stern made mention
that Sutton's estimate will be biased upwards, as it is based on a very simple survey. I am inclined
to agree that Franklin and Niemeier are close to the upper bound.
A major determinant of elasticity is the availability of substitutes. When only the single ridership
fare was increased, there were many good substitutes available (passes), so the demand was very
elastic. When we looked at total ridership, we saw a much less elastic demand, about 1 /4th, because
there are not as many good substitutes. For paratransit, there are even fewer substitutes. For door
to door, it is just cabs, driving yourself, or rides with others. Since a substantial portion cannot
drive, they only have cabs or rides with others. Cabs are quite expensive and most of these people
are retired or on disability. It is my opinion that the paratransit elasticity would be somewhere
between 20 percent to 40 percent of the regular transit elasticity. As our estimate is between -0.33
and -0.4, that would give a range on the low side of about -0.07 to a high of about -0.16 (Franklin
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and Niemeie's result). So if they add $1 to ADA fares, we would expect a drop of between 3.5 and 8
percent. Adding $1 to Medicaid should result in somewhere between a 7 and 16 percent drop.
This is the best I can come up with given the lack of data. If they really want a good estimate with a
high confidence level, they need to conduct some surveys.
One side note: while looking over the paratransit ridership since FY 2008, I noticed that nearly the
entire gain is attributed to ADA riders. This could be explained by the increase in disability claims
during the recession. As many of these people can still drive, their demand might be a bit more
elastic than that of the TD or Medicaid riders. This would come out in a survey, particularly when
using the data to estimate mode choice.
Here are the three papers I referenced:
Stern, S. (1993). "A Disaggregate Discrete Choice Model of Transportation Demand by Elderly and
Disabled People in Rural Virginia." Transportation Research -Part A: Policy and Practice, 27(A), 315-
327.
Franklin, J, and Niemeier, D. (1998). "Discrete Choice Elasticities for Elderly and Disabled Travelers
Between Fixed -Route Transit And Paratransit." Transportation Research Record, 1623, 31 -36.
Sutton, J. (1990). "Travel Choice and the Mobility Handicapped: Some Preliminary Investigations
Utilizing a Disaggregate Choice Model." Transportation Planning and Technology, 14, 229 -241.
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Before the undersigned authority, persona person` are invited.
appeared Debbie Landreth, who on oath says DATFmMEnocAnoN
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 Thursday, February 16, 2012
she serves as the Controller, of the Naple. 5:30p.rn_to7:30p.m. 5:00p.m.to7:00p.m.
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News, a daily newspaper published at Naple Human Resources Training Room 417 N. First Street
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in Collier County, Florida: distributed in Naples; FL 34112
and Lee counties of Florida; that the TOPIC - POTENTIAL FARE INCREASE TOPIC - POTENTIAL FARE INCREASE
attached copy of advertising was published Collier Area Transit (CAT) provides paratransk transportation services to the
residents of Collier, County through the Collier Area Paratransit (CAP) system. CAT
newspaper on dates listed. is evaluating the implementation of a fare increase on the CAP system. Please join
us at one pt the.: two public... meetings noted above to discuss the proposed changes
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MS. BARNETT: Well, I'm sorry more people haven't
shown up, but we want to go ahead and get started out of
respect for your time. I'm LaChant Barnett with Tindale-
Oliver and Associates, and we've been hired to do the
fare analysis for CAT. Also, with Tindale- Oliver and
Associates is Fabrizio Ponz (sic) and Patricia Witten .
And here with CAT is Glama Carter. And with the MPO is
Lorraine Lantz and Michelle is somewhere - she'll be
back in here, Michelle Arnold, Director for Alternative
Transportation Modes with Collier County.
So, want to let you know that this is being
recorded, so that we can have a transcription of all of
the public comments. And in accordance to the Title VI
Act, this meeting is open to the public, and CAT does
not discriminate with regard to race, color, national
origin, and so the meeting has been noticed. It is
February 15th, 2012, and we're going to go ahead and
start the meeting. Are there any questions up front?
With this presentation we're going to cover CAT
existing services, give you an overview of our
objectives, what we've been hired to do. The existing
CAT fare structure, as well as what we're proposing, and
some fare trends that have occurred on both the fixed
route and the ParaTransit system. In addition, we also
developed a fare elasticity to show for every ten
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percent that you increase the fares, what happens to the
ridership, so that we could accurately project the
revenue. And then, we have some revenue projections and
a recommendation for what the fare should be, or the new
With regard to CAT services, they have fixed route
service. They are managed and operated by Collier
County. There are ten fixed routes, and as far as the
schedule, CAT color -codes their routes to make it easier
for the public to understand. In addition, they have a
new express service, which is a partnership between
Collier County and Lee County. And they also provide the
Collier County ParaTransit Service, which we'll refer to
as CAP.
Collier County is currently the CTC, so with that
designation that means they handle Transportation
Disadvantaged trips, as well as manage all
transportation for Collier County. The County Commission
is designated as the CTC, and the responsibility is
placed on CAT to oversee the transportation in the area.
With regard to the ParaTransit services. They were
started in February of 2001. And there is an eligibility
requirement for the service, so there is an application
that is required, in order to utilize the service. They
have three programs that they primarily want out of the
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service, although they do some senior trips, as well, is
Medicaid, Transportation Disadvantaged and Americans
with Disabilities Act.
The Medicaid transportation is governed by the
Florida Legislature, so CAT really does not have control
over adjusting the fare, really the reimbursement rate.
They are required to provide that service to medical
trips, as long as they sign the agreement with Medicaid
to provide those services. And they receive a
reimbursement for that service. The Medicaid trips, the
co -pay for that is $1, and CAT cannot refuse
transportation, even if the individual does not pay the
$1. It's required that they provide the service.
In addition, the Americans with Disabilities Act,
transportation is required within three quarter mile
from any fixed route. And then, the Transportation
Disadvantaged program is for persons that have, either a
disability, they can't access the fixed route, because
it's not available to them. They have no other
transportation options, which in a lot of Collier
County, as you can see from the maps that have the
Collier County routes on there, there are a lot of areas
of the county, where there just is not transportation
available to individuals, which would qualify you for
Transportation Disadvantaged services.
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Right now under the CAT program, they provide
medical trips, social trips, recreational, educational,
work trips, so really there are no limitations with the
service right now. As part of this analysis, we are
considering whether or not prioritization of services or
limiting service for a specific day, like grocery
shopping trips only on Tuesday when the service is a
little less at capacity for the - for the transportation
provider. We're considering that as an option that CAT
may want to - want to actually implement, in order to
try and regulate cost for the service.
Our objectives, when we were hired, was one to look
at the existing fare structure, and recommend a fare
structure that they could go to. CAT looked at their
revenues, their operating expenses and they recognized
that based on the increase in trips, there was an
anticipated short fall between 164,000 to 250,000. And
that range is because the 164 is if they only provide
the trips that they're currently providing. The 250,000
is if they continue to increase ridership.
They've been experiencing between eight to ten
percent increase in ridership, so if they have those
additional trips, then the cost would go up, increasing
the short fall. Previously when they've had a short
fall, the County Commission has increased the subsidy.
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The Commission put in about 2.1 million just for the
ParaTransit service, and there is no additional money
available for them to continue to increase the subsidy.
And so, that's why CAT is looking at how they can get
additional revenue, and one of those options is to
increase fares to the customer.
So, we're looking at that. We're actually doing a
revenue projection. We're measuring, both from an equity
standpoint, what would this fare increase mean? So,
we're looking at minority and low income populations,
which is required by the Federal Transit Administration,
under Title VI, to make sure there are no adverse
impacts to those populations, that this increase will
not create a greater disparity for any one race or any
one income group.
And then, we're projecting what the actual
revenue would be, if they did the fare increase at
different levels, so that they can review that. But, we
are making a recommendation that they increase the fare
to $1, which you'll see later in the presentation.
This is just to give you an idea of what's happened
with the CAT system. The fixed route fare has been
increased twice to date, since they started the
services. And so, you see the initial fare of $1, and
now it's $1.50. The ParaTransit services have never had
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a fare increase. So since 2001, it's been the same fare,
even though costs continue to rise, because of
additional IT support, gas prices, contracting, which
they actually were able to get a better contract, so
they are looking at avenues to save money and create
efficiencies to lower costs. But there will still be a
short fall.
So for the ParaTransit system, the ADA fare is $2
currently. The Medicaid fare, as I said, which is
regulated by the State is $1, and then the TD fare is
income - based, so there is a tier. And under 10,000 and
you're looking at not paying a co -pay, and then as you
go up that tier. You go from $2 all the way up to $6,
based on your income.
And just to show you what's happened previously
when CAT has implemented a fare increase, which is shown
by the vertical line. When the fare increase was
implemented in March of 2009, they did actually
experience a drop in ridership. Now, ridership has never
recovered to the pre -fare increase rate, but that was
not just an increase to the base fare. At that point,
they also had a charge for transfers and they
implemented the weekly pass. So they have seen, which
I'll show you a little bit later on, a transition in
which type of fare people use, but the ridership does
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typically decrease slightly after a fare change. So, we
have to account for that when we're projecting the
revenue.
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However, the funny thing is, while the ridership in
- decreases, because of the higher fare, the revenue
typically increases, and that's really what we're
looking to do with this fare increase is to generate
additional revenue. So as you can see, the revenue was
much lower, prior to the March 2009 fare change. So,
from the $1.25 to the $1.50 and implementing the
transfer fare and some additional passes, they had seen
a spike in revenue.
On the ParaTransit system, we still show the fixed
route fare increase, when that happened, just to show
that that fare increase really did not have an impact on
the ParaTransit service. You still see pretty up and
down ridership. It trends around - it started out
around, a little bit over the 8000 mark, and now it's
trending more around the 11,000 mark. And so, you are
seeing an increase in ridership, even despite the fixed
route. So, what we do on one part of the system doesn't
necessarily affect the other part of the system, with
regard to ridership.
Because the ridership is increasing on the
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the revenue is increasing, consistent with the
ridership; however, the costs are growing at a much
greater rate than that revenue, and that's what's
producing the short fall.
Basically, what we've seen as far as the Para -
ParaTransit system is the local funding and pretty much
all of the funding sources are exhausted before all of
the trips are provided. And so, that's why we do
currently have that short fall, and as I mentioned
earlier, the local government has been covering that
subsidy, and they no longer have the funding to do that.
The county has continually increased their support of
the CAT system, because of these types of short falls.
And now, they're looking for the passengers to actually
contribute more to help offset that short fall.
Operating expenses have increased, because of fuel.
So while CAT is looking at as much as they can to create
efficiencies and reduce cost, there are some things that
are outside of their control, like fuel cost, healthcare
cost that are causing the overall cost of the system to
increase. In addition, as I mentioned in - when we
showed the trend analysis, revenue is increasing with
regard to the fare (inaudible), is the other support,
local, Federal and State that's either stagnant or not
keeping pace with the cost. And neither are the fares,
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even though they're increasing.
With regard to the fixed route fare, when the March
2009 fare increase went into effect, what happened with
the system was there was a 16 percent decrease in the
cash fare. So, because the fare went up 25 cents and you
now had to pay this transfer fare, more people
transitioned from using the cash fare to the passes that
are available, because it became more economical to
purchase a pass than to pay the cash fare.
Unfortunately, with the ParaTransit system, although the
pass options are not available, so you do have that co-
pay when you are using the ParaTransit system.
Right now with the ParaTransit - oh, I went the
wrong way. As I mentioned earlier, one of the things
that we are calculating is the elasticity. And we
calculated the elasticity for the fixed route system and
for the ParaTransit system. So, for every ten percent
you increase the fare on the fixed route system, then
you see a - a corresponding four percent decrease with
the ridership.
On the ParaTransit system, the ridership decreases
a little bit less than the four percent. It actually
drops to one percent, so for every ten percent you
increase the fare, the ridership goes down about one
percent. The reason it's so much lower on the
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ParaTransit system is because they have less
availability to other options. If you are on the fixed
route system and the new fare goes in and you just can't
afford to pay it, a lot of people on the fixed route
system have the ability to walk or to bike, where those
options aren't available to some of the people on the
ParaTransit system. So, because they're more captive,
when you increase fares, they pretty much have to
continue utilizing the system. So, that's why the
ridership decreases at a much lower level.
As part of the fare analysis, we looked at the peer
systems, both from the TDP and the TDSP, just to give us
an average of what other systems that are similar to CAT
are charging for their fixed route fares and for their
ParaTransit fares. And I won't go through the entire
list. You have that at your seat, but basically the
systems are charging $1.25 up to $2.50 for their fixed
route fare. And CAT is at $1.50, so they are on par with
their peers.
With regard to the ParaTransit system, the fares go
from $2 all the way up to $4. So, the average fare on
ParaTransit for CAT's peers is $2.75. So, that's one of
the reasons why we are recommending that they do go to
$1 increase. One, because right now to be on average,
they would have to be at 2.75, and because they don't do
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fare increases as often, it's likely that you won't get
another increase for a couple years, which will put them
behind their peers. So, we're recommending the $1
increase.
As part of the fare analysis, as I mentioned
earlier, the Federal Transit Administration requires an
equity analysis, where we look at the impact of an
increase on minority populations and on low income
populations. Interestingly enough, in Collier County,
when we looked at the minority populations, this one
starts with income, but - when we looked at the minority
populations, the cut -off is any census track that has 51
percent or more of the minority or low income
populations.
For Collier County, actually the minority areas,
there were only two areas that actually have more than
that 51 percent that we would have to address. So, we
did a further analysis to say, Well what's the average
minority populations within the county? And within the
county, that average is about 14.1 percent, so the areas
that you see on the map here actually have above that
14.1 percent. And so, we've identified those as the
minority areas that we need to ensure are not adversely
impacted by the fare increase.
The same thing happened with the income. Collier
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County happens to be one of the higher income counties
in Florida, so your median income level is skewed higher
than most places in Florida. So, you have very few areas
that meet the criteria for having an adverse impact that
had to be reviewed. So, we actually developed an income
level for Collier County, so that we could look even
closer at what tracks might actually be affected. And
we'll use the American Community Survey data, in order
to develop those poverty levels.
As the arrows show earlier, with regard to the
elasticity. The 1.2 percent is really what we're looking
at, as far as impact. So, that's what we applied when we
did the revenue projections, and we did revenue
projections starting at if you were to have a 50 cents
increase across the board. And we looked all the way to
if you had a $3 increase across the board. And we are
not recommending higher than a dollar. One, because we
believe that would definitely have an adverse impact on
users of the system and would be something that would
totally shock them.
And so, we are recommending that CAT look at more
incremental increases that are either ties to inflation
or 25 cents, you know, every two years, tied to the cost
of the service, so that more frequently they would
assess the service cost, and actually increase the fare
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at smaller levels, so that people could tolerate it and
budget for it better than having $1 increases, similar
to what occurs on the fixed route side, where you go
from $1.25 to $1.50 versus from $1 to $2. So, we are
recommending that.
Basically, this slide shows what happens with the -
the revenue at different levels and different ridership
projections. So, the static or no growth, shows what the
revenue projections would be if ridership was maintained
at the same level. And then, the current trend with
elastic demand actually looks at if we do the increase
and we apply the elasticity, that 1.2 percent decrease
in ridership, what would happen to the revenue. So, it
shows a decrease in ridership to more accurately project
the revenue.
And what was happening at the 50 cent scenario was
the 198,000 in revenue. But currently CAT is collecting
about 157,000. So really, even though you see 198,000
and you heard me say that the short fall is between 160
to 250, that doesn't cover the short fall. That only
produces about 39,000 additional dollars.
When we go to $1 scenario, which is shown on the
bottom, then the revenue is between 238 and 237 between
the 50 cent, or between the static and the no growth.
And so, that still does not cover the entire short fall,
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but it gets them half way there. So, it covers about 50
percent of their short fall and is generating an
additional $80,000.
So, CAT is aware that additional steps have to be
taken, even with this fare increase to cover the short
fall. And so, we are looking at what some of those
additional options will be, whether it's start looking
at charging for trips, based on the type of trip, charge
based on the distance of the trip, maybe limit some
trips to specific days. Start prioritizing trips where
medical trips would get priority over recreational
trips, to try and bring cost in line with the revenue
that they're actually going to collect.
And we're having these public meetings to gather
input to collect comments, and there is a 30 day comment
period from this meeting, so you have until March 16th -
March 16th to submit comments. And we do have comment
cards here, but we actually wanted to get input from the
public on how they feel about the proposal of $1
increase across the board, where ADA and TD Services.
Again, we have no option for Medicaid services. It will
be $1.
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So, this is our recommended fare structure. CAT has
done a lot of public involvement. They have reviewed
this issue for quite some time now, trying to address
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the short fall, to look for other options. They've done
public involvement in - from the meetings that they've
been to, the message has been, from the public, we need
this service, so we're willing to pay an additional
fare.
So with that, we're going with $1 recommendation,
based on our analysis. We are going to be delivering a
draft report to CAT. There will be two additional
opportunities for public input. This will be presented
to the local coordinating board. I should say two more
opportunities after the meetings tomorrow. We're having
a meeting at nine to 11 and then one to three at the CAT
Horseshoe Drive facility. And then, we'll be in
Immokalee at the library taking public comments tomorrow
night.
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After that, the 30 day comment period is open until
March 16th. And then, there will be a presentation to
the local coordinating board, where the public is able
to give comments. And then, to the County Council for
approval, which the public can also give comments at
those meetings. So with that, I'll open it up for any
comments, questions.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I have a question for
clarification for benefit of - of the public, is - is
the $1 recommended just for the TD program or also for
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MS. BARNETT: For TD and for ADA.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Because Medicaid is capped at
MS. BARNETT: Yes, or we would recommend that that
be increased as well. And we - we recognize that
Medicaid is one of the areas that's actually burdening
the system, because of the cost and the reimbursement
from Medicaid, along with the fact that you can't refuse
the trip. So even if they don't do the co -pay, you still
have to provide the trip. Whereas with the ADA service
and the TD service, you have the ability to try and go
after the individuals to collect the co -pay, to assess
penalties, to collect the co -pay. But you don't have
those options with Medicaid. Any other questions or
comments?
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: On the same subject, and - and
I just want to clarify this. The ADA, the current pay -
co -pay is $2.
MS. BARNETT: Yes.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: So, it would go to $3?
MS. BARNETT: It would go to $3 for ADA and then
for individuals on the TD system, at this point we're
looking at maintaining the income -based systems by tier.
We are addressing if there were to be a transition to a
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trip -based fare type or distance -based fare type, what
that revenue would be, so that you have that information
available to you to make the decision. But at this
point, we're recommending the tier -based system stay in
place, based on income. And so, if you don't pay
anything right now, your fare would go to $1. Those
paying $2 would now pay, under this proposal if it's
approved, would pay $3, and so forth. So at the higher
end, those paying $6 would then have to pay $7. The
Medicaid would still be $1.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Thank you.
MS. BARNETT: Any other questions or comments? We
also have, if anyone needs translation services, we have
someone available to translate, so for whatever
language. Well, we will be here until seven, so if you
don't feel comfortable making comments on the record,
you can ask us and - and your comment will not be on the
record if you ask us individually.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I can make a comment on the
record, and I can (inaudible). I'm a user of - of the
transit system. And I can totally understand the raise,
because I've (inaudible). If you've listened to the news
and hear about the gas - and other that you don't even
think about maintaining the buses and stuff. It just
makes sense, it - for everybody to have to - but, I
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mean, it makes more sense to me if - it is more
palatable to me to raise it $1 than to cut off the fact
that, like, if we couldn't go to the grocery store or
something like that. That would be terrible. But as far
as the raises are concerned, I - I see no problem in
that. I see no reason why everyone shouldn't go for
that.
MS. BARNETT: Thank you.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: How - how about what do you
think about reducing the, you know, the number of days
that we would provide shopping trips?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: That - that's one part with
me, I could totally understand that.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Okay.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: That - that would be very,
very acceptable.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Okay.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: It's not that I'm more easy
going than you, I'm sorry, it's not that I'm more easy
going than anybody else, it's just common sense tells
you these things have to be done.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I think I forgot what I was
going to say.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I know that trips cannot be
refused to anyone, but what happens in a case like that?
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Where - what's the outcome if people - and I - and I
know I've experienced, I've seen it. Where people don't
have money everyday, everyday, everyday. What happens in
a case like that, because I know that a number of years
back when all this happened to me. I was done by a
hospital day in and day out when I got home from the
nursing home. And I got tired of it.
And I just said to the last person who called me, I
said, 90 percent of my bill has been paid by my
insurance, my savings account was cleaned out. I said,
Why don't you go after some of the people who haven't
paid anything? And I said, I know it's not your fault,
but, and the woman said, You know, you're right. She
said, and then she just hung up. She - she couldn't say
anything. What could she say?
And you know, in a case like that, who's fault is
it? It's not the fault of anyone - any of us who pay.
The people who don't pay, and literally, some of them
have something to pay.
MS. BARNETT: Right.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: And they just don't, because
they know it can't be refused to them.
MS. BARNETT: And right now, CAT collects about 80
percent of what it should be collecting from the co -pay.
With Medicaid, they can't refuse the trips, so there is
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no option for CAT, with regard to the Medicaid customers
that use the ParaTransit service. For the ADA and the TD
customers, they do have options and CAT has actually
started sending out letters to those customers,
educating them on how them not paying impacts the
overall system, as well as requesting that they pay the
fare for the trips that they've taken.
Some systems have implemented a penalty, where you
have 30 days to pay any of the co -pays that you haven't
paid for the trips that you've taken that month. And if
you don't pay within the 30 days, then they suspend your
service for 30 days. And so, that's one of the options
that's available. CAT has not started suspending service
for nonpayment, but they are sending out letters to try
and encourage people to go ahead and pay that, because
it does impact the revenue and their ability to provide
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Now, when you say they can't
refuse the Medicaid people, that - but that doesn't
mean, like myself, if I get on and didn't have the
money, they could refuse to take me, right?
MS. BARNETT: Yes, are you a Medicaid trip?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: No.
MS. BARNETT: They could refuse to take you, if you
were under the ADA or the TD program.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I don't mean to single
MS. BARNETT: We - they actually have the ability
to refuse to transport ADA and TD for nonpayment. From a
customer service prospective, it really doesn't make
sense. The vehicle has already been dispatched, so CAT
is going to pay for that trip to their contractor. So in
most cases, they provide the trip.
And that's why some systems have looked at the
notification. You won't - if you're not making the
payments under ADA and TD, then you won't be able to
take the service, and they let you know that. If you
don't make payment by this date, you won't be able to
take the service for 30 days, so they won't even
schedule the trip. But if the contractor gets there to
provide the service to you, Tech Trans, then it doesn't
make sense for them to say for your $2 co -pay, they're -
if you don't have it, they're not going to take you,
because they're already paying, on average, the $29 for
that trip.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: But at the end of the day, it
all translates to if - if we don't collect the funds and
- and some people decide not to pay, they translate to
us - for us, having to make a decision on whether we
deny trips or whether we are short on our funds.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Are there a lot of people
that - in the system that don't - that refuse to pay?
MS. BARNETT: About 20 percent.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: About 20 percent. Yeah, it's -
it's gotten better with the year. It's gotten better
with the years. About two years ago, we were having
about a 30 percent over on riders that did not, but it's
gotten better. It's now up to - to 80. But still,
there's the 20 percent that -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah, two or three percent
would be better. Two or three percent would be a lot
better.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Exactly.
MS. BARNETT: And so when you're talking about
revenue that they collect from fares of 150,000, you
know, a ten percent, then there's 15, so at 20 percent,
that's $30,000 out of the system. So, with the short
fall of 164 just maintaining ridership, if you got 30
more dollars, because - 30 more thousand, because
everybody paid, that short fall would decrease by quite
a bit. So, they are trying to implement efforts to
encourage people to pay. Medicaid -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Have you gone through, too,
any other areas of the country that have the same
systems? Because they're - you know, they're all over
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the country. See what - how they implement payment and
how they are doing things?
MS. BARNETT: We actually looked at just the CAT
peers here in Florida, but we had someone, even this
morning at one of our meetings, say that in Houston,
they do a similar process, where if you don't make the
payments, they do suspend your service for a two -week
time period.
The - the problem, here in Florida, because the
majority of that 20 percent is more than likely
Medicaid, because they know they have the right to
refuse payment, and so that is something that's mandated
by the legislature. So, no one here has control over
that. And that would be something that would have to be
changed at the State level.
And there are groups that go up to the State.
There's a Transportation Disadvantaged day. It happened
a week or so ago in Tallahassee, where they do make
known, to the State, that Medicaid is a problem. Many
transit agencies have now refused to provide Medicaid
transportation, and private providers are providing
Medicaid. Lee County, which is your neighbor, they do
not provide Medicaid or TD. Good Wheels provides that
service for Lee County. So, Lee Tran is only providing
the fixed route and the complimentary three quarter mile
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ParaTran, ADA ParaTransit service.
So, some places are refusing to provide Medicaid,
because of the cost associated with it and the revenue
that they're getting in. It's being heavily subsidized
by the local governments and they can no longer afford
to do that.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: This was something that was
supposed to subsidized by the State and the National
government. Local governments are subsidizing it
instead. That's wonderful.
MS. BARNETT: And now, with the economy the way it
is, local governments just do not have the availability
of funds that they used to have to subsidize services,
like this and they're making decisions between, you
know, whether they continue to fund police, (inaudible)
education or you know, give additional subsidy over what
they've budgeted to the transportation system. And that
becomes very problematic. And so, now to maintain the
services, we're trying to get additional revenue from
the customers, which after 11 years, it's logical that
there does need to be some type of fare increase to
accommodate the additional cost.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well at one time, it was a
lot higher, because I know it - I guess it was right
after my husband passed away, I had to use - start using
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ParaTransit to go to the doctor and things like that.
Even though I went - I didn't have the same disability
that I do now. I wasn't driving, due to a different
disability. I, you know, go to work and - and
everything, but I wasn't driving. And if I had to go to
a doctor's appointment downtown or something, it would
run me $16, just to go to the doctor. And $16 to come
back. And that's - that's - oh, yes it was.
MS. BARNETT: That - that was not by CAT though.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: It was costing me - yes -
not CAT.
MS. BARNETT: No.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: CAT didn't have a contract
back then.
MS. BARNETT: Right. (inaudible)
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: (inaudible) That wasn't CAT.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: It was Community
Transportation. It was all the same thing, but it wasn't
CAT just recently got the contract. But Community
Transportation was originally the one who had the
contract. But yes.
MS. BARNETT: In 2001, CAT started providing the
services, and so the fares have been what the $2 -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Not 2001.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I think so.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Not CAT, not for
ParaTransit. No, not 2001. Not for ParaTransit.
MS. BARNETT: Okay.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: No, it wasn't, because
that's the year my husband passed away. ParaTran - CAT
just started doing it recently.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: No.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: It was Community
Transportation.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: No, actually it was CAT in
2000 - prior to 2001, it was a different vendor. It was
- it was Community Transportation, there was, I think
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (inaudible) Good Wheels.
Good Wheels. Also, after Community Transportation.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And then there was another -
another vendor as well, but CAT, or Collier County,
hired McDonald Transit in 2001 -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: As the management.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: - as the management of
ParaTransit. And then, in 2005 or six, we consolidated
fixed and ParaTransit together.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Oh, but it's 2006; okay.
That was - I knew it wasn't 2001. That was Community
Transportation back then doing it.
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MS. BARNETT: So, I mean, it - we did ask, this
morning, whether people felt like it was a good value
for the price they pay, whether they felt that the value
would still be maintained, even with the $1 fare
increase. And all the indication we got was yes. You
can't get a cab for that amount and so, you know, people
are willing to pay more, just to maintain the service.
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people that aren't paying and trying to collect from
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: In - in my position, in a
wheelchair, a - a - there is no other way to get
somewhere, except with ParaTransit.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well, I use a walker, during
the week, because I have enough trouble with a cane, so
it's a - you can't get any place. You can't -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I just want to say that the
LC, the local coordinating (inaudible) has been looking
at this issue for somewhere between nine and - nine
months to a year, and they've had a lot of public
meetings and a lot of input from citizens and users. And
it's been, pretty much, the same. They understand the
fare has to increase. The - the citizens, as well as the
board understand that the fare has to increase, but
they'd rather see it increase, whatever it has to do,
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than - than go away all together.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Definitely.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And so, that is the sentiment
of the board, as well as the - what they've been
hearing, I mean, their - their input is based on what
they've been hearing (inaudible) --
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Or even to limit the trips
to just medical and no groceries.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yes. Yes, they have also
discussed limiting the types of trips and having, maybe
not doing as - the recreation, but having the medical or
having the - the necessities.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And the sentiment is to keep
those.
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: The sentiment, I'm sorry, if I
said it incorrectly. The sentiment is to keep the
medical and if they have to do the lower priority trip
of the recreational.
MS. BARNETT: And we did hear from some agencies
that while some people see trips, like to the mall or to
bowling allies as recreational, for people with
developmental disabilities, those trips are educational
to help them integrate into the community, to know how
to interact with individuals. So, sometimes the
perception of the trip is not the actuality for the trip
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purpose. So, yes. So, we have to keep that in mind and
with looking at, you know, staggering trip types or
prioritizing trips, based on the type of trip. There is
the potential to disenfranchise some people that are
taking recreational trips for educational or medical
purposes.
One of the things with the distance -based trip,
which some systems have in place already in the longer
distance, as you pay more, because that trip costs more,
is that the way your fixed route system is set up, a lot
of individuals in some of the outlying areas doesn't
have access to fixed route, and they are the minority
populations and the low income. So, it would be more of
an adverse impact for those individuals, which is
problematic with implementing a distance -based type
system.
CAT would love to expand the fixed route service.
They've done plans, recommending expansion of the fixed
route service to try and give additional mobility to
people to utilize a fixed route versus ParaTransit.
Unfortunately, when you have short falls for the system,
whether it's fixed route or ParaTransit, they still see
it as a transit short fall, so there's no money coming
in to do expansion of any of the services when you have
a short fall. So hopefully, through the fare increase,
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through their continued efforts to create efficiencies
and maybe generate additional revenue, expansion will be
a possibility in the future.
Well, we'll be around the room if there are no
other questions for the record. Feel free to come up,
ask questions or raise your hand and we'll be happy to
come to you and answer any of your questions. Thank you.
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CERTIFICATION OF TRANSCRIPTIONIST
I, JENNIFER NALEVANKO, Legal Transcriptionist, do
hereby certify that I was authorized to and did
transcribe the meeting in the foregoing matter; and that
the transcript, pages 1 through 32, is a true record of
the digital recording.
I FURTHER CERTIFY that I am not a relative,
employee, or attorney, or counsel of any of the parties,
nor am I financially interested in the action.
DATED this 29th day of February, 2012.
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In The Matter Of:
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PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE
COLLIER AREA TRANSIT
POTENTIAL FARE INCREASE
DATE TAKEN: February 16, 2012
TIME: 5:34 p.m. to 6:32 p.m.
PLACE: Collier County Public Library
417 North First Street
Immokalee, Florida 34142
REPORTER: TONY WRIGHT
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MS. BARNETT: Well, we're going to go ahead and
start. I would like to thank everybody for coming.
Collier Area Transit, ParaTransit fare analysis meeting
was published in the Naples Daily News as well as the
Immokalee Bulletin to let everyone know about this
meeting. We have people available here tonight to
translate in Spanish or Creole, so if you prefer another
language, please let us know. We're able to do that.
This meeting is being conducted in accordance with
the Federal Transit Administration and Collier Area
Transit's Title VI program, meaning it's open to
everyone without regard to race, color, national origin,
disability, gender or age. I want everyone to feel
comfortable asking any questions, so at any point if you
have a question, feel free to go ahead and stop me.
During the presentation, we're going to go over
CAT's existing services, our study objectives for the
far analysis, as well as the existing fare structure,
what we're recommending for the fare structure, the
trends from the previous fare increase on the fixed
route, as well as trends for ridership and revenue with
the ParaTransit system. And a peer review to show you
what other systems are charging.
Right now, CAT, I'm going to say that instead of
Collier Area Transit, because it's a lot easier, but CAT
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is managed and operated, the transit service for Collier
County. And they actually have ten fixed routes. The
routes are identified by color to make it easy for
individuals to understand it on the schedule. So, they
have blue route, red route, easy for the customers to
understand.
They also have a new route, LinC, which is an
express route between Collier and Lee County, which is a
new service introduced. And they have ParaTransit
service, which is the Collier Area ParaTransit service,
and I'll refer to that as CAP.
CAT is the CTC for Collier County. That's
coordinated transportation, community transportation
coordinator. With that role, they're require to oversee
all the transportation providers in the area, provide
Transportation Disadvantaged services, and I usually say
TD. Use a lot of acronyms, but the Transportation
Disadvantaged service is for anyone that does not have
access to transportation, because they're disabled,
because of income, because there's no transportation
available to them, because of age. So, there are a lot
of reasons or ways to qualify for Transportation
Disadvantaged service.
They also manage the Americans with Disabilities
Act service, which is required by the Federal Transit
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Administration, FTA. For all transit agencies that
operate fixed route service, anywhere within a three
quarter mile from that fixed route service, you have to
offer ADA service. So, individuals that are disabled,
they apply for the ParaTransit, which is a door -to -door
service.
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In addition, they offer Medicaid transportation. As
the CTC, they're not required to offer Medicaid
transportation, but CAT has been offering Medicaid
transportation. They have a contract with Medicaid to
offer the transportation services. And they get
reimbursed for those services. And that's only to
medical appointments for Medicaid eligible customers.
Right now on the ParaTransit system, the trips are
for any purpose, pretty much. You can go to work, you
can go to medical appointments, you can go to school,
you can go shopping. So, there really is no
prioritization of the trip type. Anyone that calls up
for service that's eligible is being provided that
service.
Because of that, because they're not denying any
trips to anyone that's eligible, there is a short fall,
because ridership has continued to increase, the cost of
providing those services have continued to increase. The
ParaTransit service averages about $29 per trip, which
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gets very expensive. Right now, Collier County puts in
about $2.1 million to help fund the ParaTransit, while
the customer pays about four percent of the total cost
of that service. And that's through various co -pays, so
they have a short fall now of about $164,000, and they
have to generate revenue in order to make up that short
fall. So, that's when discussions started about a fare
increase.
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As part of the FTA regulations of a transit agency,
is considering a fare increase or a major service
change. They have to complete an equity analysis to make
sure they don't adversely impact on a particular
population from the fare increase. So, that's part of
our study objectives. We have to complete an equity
analysis, make a recommendation on what.the fare
structure should be and tell them how much revenue would
be generated from that.
As part of the equity analysis, we identify an
elasticity, which helps us determine, Okay if we raise
the fare by ten cents, how many people won't be able to
afford that and will stop using the system, because of
that increase? Which we call elasticity.
Right now, this is the existing fare structure, and
it shows both the fixed route and the ParaTransit. The
fixed route starts at the top, and the ParaTransit at
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the bottom. One of the things you'll notice about the
fare structure, the ParaTransit fare structure stayed
the same, since it started in 2001. There has not been
an increase for 11 years.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: That's fantastic.
MS. BARNETT: Whereas the fixed route system has
had increases. In August of 2006, the fare increased. It
increased again in March of 2009. And because they're
increasing it every three years, they're able to do
incremental, smaller increases. They're able to go up a
quarter every three years or so versus having a major
increase, which is what we're considering for the
ParaTransit system.
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A lot of individuals would consider going up $1. A
major increase, when you're on a fixed budget or you
don't have enough.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, you're - they're 161,000
for ParaTransit, how much is - is CAT in the - in the
red?
MS. BARNETT: Is CAT in the red?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah, is - are they in debt
MS. BARNETT: Well, CAT is considered one system,
even though they have fixed route service and they have
ParaTransit service. It's considered one system. The
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county puts money into the overall system. CAT is not
making a profit. They never will make a profit. It will
also be subsidized by the local government, the State
and the Federal government. So -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: But I mean, because of the
economy and everything, has it gotten worse or is it the
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MS. BARNETT: It has gotten worse, because of the
economy. One, the county doesn't have the same
flexibility, because they're not generating the same
revenue into the county's general funds. So, they can't
afford to provide additional subsidies to CAT to help
offset the increases in fuel prices, increases in
healthcare costs that are associated with the rising
cost of providing the service.
But in addition to that, CAT is experiencing an
increase in demand. So for the ParaTransit service, they
had a ten percent increase in ridership, so there are
more people that need the service now and the budget
just was not expanded to accommodate that, and that's
what's creating that short fall.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: The difference too is, you
know, when you have an increase in ridership on the CAT
- the fixed route side, you really are not having to add
additional buses as much as you are on the ParaTransit
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so many - so few vehicles and
high. So, the per - we have a
estimate, a per trip cost, of
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lower the costs is. So -
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then the demand is - is so
per passenger cost or
almost $30 compared to the
your fixed bus side, the
MS. BARNETT: So, transit agencies like to
transition people from the ParaTransit system over to
the fixed route. So, if you're able bodied and there's
some way they can get you on the fixed route, that's
what they like to do, because the increases on the fixed
route are positive. Whereas the increases on the
ParaTransit side are negative, with respect to cost and
revenue.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: How - how do you do that?
That sounds like -
MS. BARNETT: One, expansion of service, so if you
can expand -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I mean, how do you convince
people to - you say you want to make people go from CAP
to CAT?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, I think a part of our
service that we provide on the ParaTransit side is to
people that don't have any other source of
transportation.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Oh, they don't have access
to CAT?
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: They don't have access to - to
the fixed route, because we don't have service there.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Oh, right. Because CAT goes
to your house.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Well, no. The - the fixed
route service, which is a fixed route, only goes to
limited parts of the county.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And if we were to expand that
service, so that it goes most places, then we would be
able to - those able bodies that are using ParaTransit
could use the fixed route.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I thought - I thought you
have to be qualified to use the -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, and a part of your
qualification is that you don't have any other means of
transportation.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Oh yeah?
MS. BARNETT: This is the CAT - the blue lines show
the CAT fixed route service, so you have all of these
pockets of the community that don't have access to the
fixed route service.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So like, people live in
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MS. BARNETT: Don't have access to fixed routes.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: - like if they're five miles
from his bus -
MS. BARNETT: Right.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: - it's - they can't -
MS. BARNETT: They're considered Transportation
Disadvantaged if they have no friends or no family
members that could take them or they don't have the
income to afford to take a cab, they would be considered
Transportation Disadvantaged and able to qualify under
one of these -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, it's - it's - I could
use it, if I - as opposed to a person who's disabled or
ADA. And that's the main purpose is for people like
that, right?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Well, that's what we would
like for the majority of our riders on the ParaTransit
side to be people that aren't able to use fixed buses.
MS. BARNETT: The other thing that helps people
transition from ParaTransit to fixed route is it gives
them more mobility options. With the ParaTransit, you
have to call in advance to schedule your trip. You have
to wait, then, for the van to come to your door and pick
you up. You know, and so scheduling that versus having
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the fixed route, which is constantly available. You
know, you know if it's coming every hour, every hour and
a half, so it gives you more options, more mobility
options. You don't have to schedule it. It is a little
bit cheaper, unless you're doing a Medicaid trip. It's
cheaper to take the fixed route service. You can do a
monthly pass or a weekly pass, and go all week or all
month. So, that's some of the benefits of taking the
fixed route over the ParaTransit.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, how many people are just
individuals that don't have access to bus service versus
people who actually need it for special needs, like
percentage -wise, you know?
MS. BARNETT: I don't know -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Guess?
MS. BARNETT: - I know that 60 percent of the trips
are TD trips. So -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: TD?
MS. BARNETT: The Transportation Disadvantaged
trips are 60 percent of the CAT.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, that's more than half is
just people who don't have access to bus service.
MS. BARNETT: Well, they may not have access. They
could also qualify, because of income or age, so there
are other reasons why they may qualify for TD. But a
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large portion of them are outside of the fixed route
service area, and so that's why they're qualifying.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Is that because we have such
a rural county and you can't have bus routes everywhere?
It's impossible.
MS. BARNETT: Well, you don't have enough funding
to have bus routes everywhere, which is one of the major
causes for not having service everywhere. There's just
not enough funding to expand the fixed route service.
Also, the county is not very dense, so -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Right.
MS. BARNETT: - you have pockets of people in
certain areas and then you have long roadways with
nobody and nothing on it, where people aren't going to
go. So, it doesn't make sense to put fixed route service
in some of those locations, because it wouldn't be
successful.
So, what this is showing is the fixed route
ridership before the March 2009 fare change and then
after the fare change. So before the fare change, you
can see that the ridership was going up each month.
There's a dip right there in the summer months, but
pretty much the ridership was on an upward pattern.
Once they implemented the fare change, which it
only went up a quarter for the fixed route, but they
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began charging for transfers. So, a lot of people
migrated to passes, but some people did stop using the
service. We can't attribute the entire decrease in
ridership to people just not using the service, because
of the fare change.
The economy also changed, so a lot of people may
have been laid off. So, there was no reason for them to
take the bus. They didn't have those work trips, so
there are a lot of factors that go into that. But there
was a ridership decrease after the fare was the fare
increase was implemented. However, the revenue
increased, and that's what the purpose of a fare
increase is for. It's to generate additional revenue
into the system. So with regard to the ridership, even
though it decreased, it was a positive impact of the
faring change - fare change, because they got more
revenue into the system.
From the ParaTransit side, this is not a
ParaTransit increase, this is still the fixed route fare
increase. We just wanted to show that there was no
impact on ParaTransit ridership, because of the fixed
route. So, the systems don't really impact each other
with fare increases. What you may see sometimes on the
ParaTransit side, is if you increase the fare, then
people will consider fixed route more than they do now,
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if they have access and they're able to utilize it.
The ParaTransit revenue has also been increasing.
There are a few dips, but their trend line, you can see
that the ParaTransit revenue is increasing. The revenue
is increasing, not because of any type of fare
increases. They haven't had one. It's increasing,
because the ridership is increasing. So, there are more
people paying.
One of the reasons why they're considering the fare
increase now is because they've exhausted their funding.
The locals funds are being exhausted quicker, because
you have more people using the system. The grant funds
are being exhausted quicker. They don't want to be in a
position, where they can't provide the service, so
they're looking at options, in order to continue the
service and continue without having to impact a majority
of the people.
In addition, their operating expenses are
increasing. As many of you know, fuel cost are going up
and a lot of other things are continuing to rise. So are
the costs for transportation. And CAT is actually doing
everything that they can to try and control those costs
and keep those costs down. They just - well, it's been
about a year or so - that they actually went out for a
new contract and they got a new contractor.
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And they are trying to keep those ParaTransit trip
costs down. As well as they're starting an operations
analysis soon, where they'll be looking at ways to gain
operational efficiencies, which will also help with
controlling the costs.
As I mentioned earlier with the fare increase,
where they went up a quarter and they implemented a
transfer fee, a lot of people stopped paying the cash
fare. They had a 16 percent decrease with regard to the
cash fare. But, the day passes went up more than 100
percent, as well as the other pass types. And the seven
day, the weekly pass, was actually a new pass, and is
very popular with the 80 percent increase, since the
fare - since 2009 fare increase.
I talked about this a little bit earlier, but it
might have been at the table, but when you increase the
fare, usually when you increase the fare, then ridership
decreases. Well, we hired an economist and they actually
did a fare sensitivity. They looked at the revenue for
CAT. They looked at the ridership. They looked at the
market trends. They took all of those numbers and the
information, applied some really complicated formulas
and logarithms, and they came up with what that
ridership decrease would be on the fixed route system
for every ten percent the fare goes up, the ridership
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goes down four percent. And you could see that with that
trend slide, with the fixed route ridership, after the
fare increase, the ridership started to go down.
The same thing happens on the ParaTransit side.
When you increase the fares, the ridership goes down.
But with the ParaTransit system, because some of those
users are disabled or elderly, they don't have other
options. On the fixed route side of things, some people
will choose to walk, rather than take the bus or they'll
decide they're going to bike. On the ParaTransit system,
some of those individuals can't walk or bike, so they
are more of a captive audience. So, that decrease is
only one percent in ridership.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, it seems like the - you
have a captured audience and if you raise the fare,
they're stuck with paying the extra money.
MS. BARNETT: Yes.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And that's a part of the
reason why we do this analysis, because whatever fare
increase we recommend to the board, we don't want it to
have an adverse impact on those people. Because like you
said, this is their only option.
MS. BARNETT: And I mean, CAT's overall goal is to
provide mobility and to transport people, so it's not
their intent to make people stop using the system, but
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the system has to be financially feasible with the
revenue that's coming in. So -
As I said earlier, we did a peer - we did a peer
analysis as part of the fare assessment to see what
other systems are charging. And there are a lot of
systems there. We did your neighbor, Lee County. We also
did Sarasota, Volusia, Okaloosa, so there are a lot of
different counties that we looked at -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Where - where's Okaloosa?
MS. BARNETT: - in Florida. (inaudible) Where's
Okaloosa? But they do have transit service. We looked at
Manatee County and also Polk County to see what their
fares are. And as you can see, from the fixed route side
of things, their fare is pretty much from $1 to $1.75.
Some of the larger systems, like in Orlando and Miami,
their fares are actually $2, so you guys are on par with
your peer systems.
It's not like CAT is charging more than their
peers, and as you can see with the monthly pass, they're
actually a lot cheaper with their monthly pass than a
lot of the peer systems. So, they are providing a deep
discount for some individuals.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Just East of (inaudible).
MS. BARNETT: Smart phones. With the ParaTransit
system, when we look at the peers, and these are all the
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acronyms, so you have Escambia, Lakeland, Lee Tran,
Manatee, Okaloosa, Polk County, Space Coast and
Sarasota. And Space Coast actually uses SCAT too, but we
just switched it up, so you know the difference.
Sarasota County and then Votran in Volusia County.
And the average between all of these was 2.75. The
reason we put varies here is because they do a little
bit of an interest thing, fare type, where they do it
based on income for the fare, and so, it's difficult to
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And trip length.
MS. BARNETT: And trip length, so the distance
you're going and so - but the average for the peers are
- is $2.75, so at $2, they're a lot cheaper than their
peers. With the fare increase that we're recommending to
$3, which has not been approved, it's just proposed,
they will still be pretty close to what the system
averages, and a lot of these agencies are also looking
at fare increases at this point, because of the economy.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Has - has there been any
opposition from the riders to the fare increase?
MS. BARNETT: No, it's been very positive feedback
from the riders. They recognize the value of the
service, and they don't want the service to go away. So
what we're hearing, while it may be a hardship for some
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people, they prefer to have the service and pay the $1
than to not pay it and have service decreased.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Now, this - this discussion
hasn't - this is not the first time we've had this
discussion about fares. We were faced with an issue last
budget year, where we were - our ridership was exceeding
what we projected what we were going to have. I
shouldn't even say that we project - we did project
more, but we had a certain budget and the ridership
exceeded that budget.
So, we brought it to the board's attention and one
of the considerations was to stop providing service and
we went to the - the riders, we went to our local
coordinating board and they - the riders - we had a very
good turn out for those meetings, and the riders said,
We'd rather you increase the fare, rather than cut the
service.
And the board hearing that, they found additional
dollars to support the rest of the fiscal year, but they
asked us to do this analysis to come up with what would
be a fair fare to - to provide for this particular
service.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: And I work for the Collier
MPO, which is the Collier Metropolitan Planning
Organization, and we actually run the local coordinating
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board meetings that are what Michelle was referencing.
And so, I can tell you there were hundreds of folks that
came to multiple meetings. It was probably in excess of
150 people at the first meeting, and almost 100 the
second meeting, and quite a few that third meeting.
We had a - a total of three meetings for this topic
in 2011. And so, person after person got up and actually
individually spoke to this at these meetings and asked
the - the service, not because - that they would be more
than happy to pay an additional fee if that's what it
took to maintain the services.
And so, I can tell you that I was surprised at the
great number of people that spoke to that, and the
service is so crucial to so many people that we're -
we're attempting to hold more meetings to - to make sure
we've reached out to everyone we can by having them in
Immokalee and other locations.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I think that's your best
argument when you go in front of the commission that
that many people, the actual people who would pay
(inaudible) .
MPO REPRESEPTTATIVE: Yeah. It's really amazing. I
was actually doing the microphone thing and helping
people to speak. And it was really amazing how many
people were speaking to - in favor of this.
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MS. BARNET: Yeah, when you say you're taking
something away or if we said we were going to charge $10
more, then probably a lot of people would be here. But
$1, some people can tolerate that, so -
As part of the Federal Transit Administration
requirements, as I said earlier, before you do a fare
increase, CAT is required to do an equity analysis to
make sure there are no populations that would be
adversely impacted by the fare increase. And so, what we
did was look at the lower income areas to one, see if
they even had access to any other service options and
what type of services they were eligible for.
And we have income information, because when they
fill out the ParaTransit application, they do collect
income information, so we could see if there is going to
be a greater disparity for one income level versus
another. And what's shown in the darker brown color here
are the pockets of Collier County that have the lower
incomes. Where the greater majority of those census
tracks are actually lower income.
We did the same thing for minority. We tried to
identify what areas of Collier County had a minority
population of 51 percent or greater. When we did that,
only like one area showed up, one or two. So, we went
back and we said, Well what's the average minority
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population for Collier County? And that average was
about 14 percent. So what we did was then say, Well what
census tracks have more than the 14 percent? And we
identified those as the minority areas to see if a fare
increase, with the ParaTransit system, would adversely
affect these areas, more so than any of the other areas
in Collier County.
Again, one of the things that we looked at', was
what would be the revenue if we did do a fare increase,
so that we could recommend what options CAT should take.
If we're going to increase the fare 25 cents and it's
not going to generate enough revenue to cover the short
fall, then why make that recommendation? You're not
going to be able to do anything.
So what we looked at were two ridership scenarios.
One where there's no growth in the ridership. It stays
the same as the current levels, and then one where we
applied that elasticity, knowing that when the fare
would go up, the ridership would go down. What we didn't
look at was one where ridership increased, because it
really is an unknown.
Based on everything that's been happening with the
system in previous years, it's likely that ridership
will increase, but we wanted to at least give them
conservative estimates on what revenue generation would
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be. And we looked at everywhere from 50 cent increase
all the way up to a $3 increase.
Medicaid is regulated by the State of Florida and
CAT does not have the authority to change the co -pay for
Medicaid, so that will remain at $1 no matter what. What
they do have the authority to do is not provide Medicaid
transportation services, which has been discussed.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: What - say that again?
MS. BARNETT: CAT can not contract with Medicaid.
Right now, they have a contract with Medicaid, so they
provide the transportation services.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (inaudible) opt out of
(inaudible) ?
MS. BARNETT: Yes, they can opt out of providing
the Medicaid services.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: What percentage of CAT is
MS. BARNETT: It is -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Because you're not raising
their fare. You're just raising everybody else's fare,
right?
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MS. BARNETT: We're not raising the Medicaid fare.
I want to say it's -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: You can't. You said you
can't.
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I was thinking, like 25, but I
don't remember.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC:
MS. BARNETT: I had it
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC:
you want to raise the fares. Yo-
enough to generate revenue, but
the Medicaid.
Okay.
on here.
That's okay. I mean, because
u said you got to raise
you can't raise it on
MS. BARNETT: You can't raise it on Medicaid, so
then you have to look at what increases on ADA and TD.
And for the ADA fare, you can't raise it more than $3,
because the Federal Government doesn't allow you to have
that fare more than double the fixed route. So since the
fixed route is $1.50, the ADA fare can't be more than
$3.
So, when I say we looked at several scenarios from
50 cents to $3, once we got beyond $1, we only applied
those increases to the TD customers. And one of the
things that does create is a disparity, because majority
of the TD customers, while they are in these areas that
don't have access to transportation services, are lower
income as well.
And so, applying a $3 increase to a TD customer and
$1 to ADA and nothing to Medicaid, while that's not one
of the areas that's covered under the equity analysis
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between the programs, because those TD customers are in
outlying areas, which happen to be - oh, it's that one
- but the outlying areas are also the minority areas.
And they're also the low income areas.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well, the Golden Gate
Estates is not any minority and it's not lower income,
and that's the most rural area. There's no bus service.
MS. BARNETT: Right, it doesn't have bus service
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Everybody there has a pick-
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you know, sometimes you think people have access to
transportation, and they actually don't.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: They don't; yeah.
MS. BARNETT: But, so that's why we looked at
several options to see what revenue would be generated,
so that we could make a recommendation to CAT. What we
found, with no growth, they could generate $198,000, if
the fare was increase by 50 cents. That sounds really
good, like, Ooh 198,000 that will cover the $164,000
short fall. But, that's 198,000 overall. Right now, they
are generating already $157,000. So, that increase is
only $41,000, because they're - they're existing revenue
is 157.
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So, at 50 cents, we know they're not going to cover
their short fall. And then when you apply the decrease
in ridership, because of the fare going up, then that
revenue generation number goes down about $2000.
At $1, they can generate 238,000, which then gives
them about 80 -some thousand dollars. And then with the
ridership decrease, it goes down about 1000 or so. So
really with $1, they're only going to generate 80,000
additional dollars, which is only 50 percent of that
short fall. But based on the equity analysis, we believe
that anything greater than $1 would be adverse to a lot
of the customers and would really shock people and would
make the transportation unavailable to them.
But we are recommending that CAT not wait so long
for additional fare increases. That they incrementally
increase the fare over time. So like they do on the
fixed route, where every two to three years, they go up
a quarter, that they consider a similar process for the
ParaTransit.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, what are - are you going
to raise it $1 every two or three years?
MS. BARNETT: No. No. Like a dollar this year and
then maybe two years from now, it might go up a quarter.
It might go up 50 cents. We are also looking at some
other options, where they could perhaps price, based on
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the trip distance. So, people that travel further would
pay a higher fare. As well as the trip type, where
medical and life- sustaining trips would have a lower
cost and recreational trips would have a higher cost.
Some other things that have been discussed is - or
discussed are also limiting certain trip to - trips to
certain days. Right now, Monday, Wednesday and Fridays
are the higher capacity days for the ParaTransit
service. So, the vehicles are in high demand and it
really impacts their on -time performance. It's hard to
deliver all of those trips on those days, so moving
shopping trips, maybe, to only Tuesday and Thursday when
they have more vehicles with capacity to try and help
them from a system perspective.
Also, limiting out of county trips to certain days,
so people - so that would give them more options to
multi -load. One of the problems, though, a lot of the
out -of -area trips are Medicaid trips. So, those
individuals are only paying $1, and they're going to
medical appointments in Miami and Orlando, because they
can't find doctors in the area that accept Medicaid. So,
there are still some problems with the system, as far as
the regulations that guide the type of trips.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, the dollar increase will
take - you'll get 80,000 more and you'll still be 80,000
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MS. BARNETT: Right.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So then, then the county
would just pick that up?
MS. BARNETT: Well, no. The county is not just
going to pick it up. We're trying to come up with some
other options that might help decrease the cost. We're
also saying that they need to go back and look at the
potential for advertising to generate additional
revenue. And they're taking steps to try and increase
the farebox recovery.
Right now, even though they have these co -pays
established, they only collect about 80 percent. Some
people don't pay their co -pays, so 20 percent of the
revenue they should be bringing into the system, they're
not, because individuals that take the system aren't
paying. And that amounts to about $30,000 per year. So,
if they were able to get those individuals to pay.
And one of the problems with that is they can't
refuse to provide Medicaid transportation and a lot of
individuals that are on Medicaid know that. And so, they
won't pay the $1 fare, and there's really nothing CAT
can do with regard to that, so but for the ADA and TD
customers, they are sending out letters, letting them
know that when they don't pay their co -pay, it impacts
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the overall system and their ability to provide the
trips.
And they're looking at the possibility of having
penalties, where if you don't pay your fare, they'll
send you a letter, saying, You owe this amount. You have
this amount of time to pay it and if you don't, the
service will be suspended for two weeks or a month, to
try and encourage people to pay that fare, because they
really do need those dollars to come in.
So, that's 80 plus 30, if they got that, so 110.
They're getting there, so there's a lot -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (inaudible) trying to
contact those people too and you're talking about a few
dollars and you're spending 50 cents to send them a
letter.
MS. BARNETT: They get cheaper bulk mail rates.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Oh okay.
MS. BARNETT: They're the county, it's like six
cents.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Okay.
MS. BARNETT: So as I said, we're recommending to
CAT that they actually increase the fare, so that ADA
fare would go to $3 per trip and the TD fair would
still, at this point, be based on your income level and
currently, the - the people that are paying - I'll go
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back to that chart, so - wherever it is
currently the people that are under the
that are paying zero, would now start p,
then, those individuals that are paying
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poverty level
crying $1. And
$2 would pay $3,
$6 would go to
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: What percentage of - of your
riders are under poverty are paying nothing right now
and then they'll start at - they'll start (inaudible).
MS. BARNETT: You're going to ask all the
statistics, right?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Sorry.
MS. BARNETT: When I get through this one, I'll go
through the Excel spreadsheet with the statistics in it.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Okay.
MS. BARNETT: No, it's good that you're asking
questions and participating. We like to see that. I'm
actually at the end, and we just wanted to let people
know that the public and the users of the system have
been supportive of the fare increase. They understand
that having a service, where the fare hasn't increased
for 11 years has been a real bargain, and that costs are
going up. And so, they are willing to contribute some
additional.
But they wanted it to be known as well that a lot
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of the individuals are indigent or on fixed incomes. And
so, if they could try and minimize what that fare
increase would be, that that is appreciated.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Do you have a list of all
the people that went to those meetings?
MS. BARNETT: I do.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: And if you could contact
them and ask some of them to show up.
MS. BARNETT: Yeah, we definitely have their names.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Do you have, like, indigent
- people with ADA show up to continue they'll give you -
they'll give you a million dollars. I'm serious. They
can't say no to people.
MS. BARNETT: Hopefully, it'll be that easy. But
like I said, they are also - Well, that was one of the
things. We had several meetings over the past two days.
We've had some in the morning, some in the early
afternoon and then evening meetings to also talk to the
agencies that assist a lot of the users of the
ParaTransit system, and some customers to get their
feedback and see what they feel about the fare increase
from an agency perspective. How would it impact - and
we've heard both positive and negative from those
agencies.
We had an individual from ICAN participate in one
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of the meetings this morning, and they helped support
individuals with AIDS, HIV and AIDS. And a lot of the
individuals that they help, he said they're not even
making it. He has a family where they - six people live
in the back room of someone's trailer and because it's
so small, one of the daughters actually sleeps in a
broken down car, and they really have no money, and the
agency actually pays for all of their transportation
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So, he said,the agency is struggling with donations
and grants and so if they're paying a higher cost for
these trips, that is a hardship. So, he really would
like to see some other options pursued versus a fare
increase. So you know, there is positive and negative,
but he understood that costs are increasing and you
know, that people that do have can't always subsidize or
over subsidize the system.
So, he understood that the county is putting in a
lot of money now, and so to ask that the county continue
to put in more and more and more, without even trying to
get additional money from the users, is a hardship for
the county.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: A friend of mine, I spoke to
her about the meeting today, she said have you tried to
reach out to some of these agencies that have money to -
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to help finance the people going to their facilities, or
the private charities in Naples? I mean, you could
probably get one private charity to pay this 80 grand in
a second, you know? But is that legal to do that to -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Well, the county is not a not
- not a non - profit.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Right.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I mean -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So this is a county - yeah,
you can't do that.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: We could accept donations.
MS. BARNETT: I was going to say they take
donations.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: But - but you know, it's I
don't know. It's not - it's not something that the
county does on a regular basis.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well like you said, some of
the agencies are paying the people with (inaudible),
because they're so poor. But that's - you're just giving
them money to - to get on the bus system.
MS. BARNETT: They're purchasing the bus passes or
they're giving them the $2 when they know they have a
trip.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: It's not an official
relationship between the county and them, right?
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MS. BARNETT: No. No. It's between them and their
clients.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: This - this is kind of a
Publix to get some information (inaudible) profit 25
billion of (inaudible) -
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MS. BARNETT: Publix? The grocery store?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Ask - ask for donations for
MS. BARNETT: Well, the county doesn't actually go
out and ask for donations, because there's no tax break
for the county. And one of the agencies that
participated said that they're actually having problems
getting the same level of donations, because so many
people are going to the same individuals, asking them to
help out these agencies. And with the economy the way it
is, people are afraid to continue donating at the same
level. And they've even seen some of their grants
decrease.
So, it's a hardship all the way around, and I think
that CAT is being very progressive in looking at
alternatives to try and reduce cost. And also, in
increasing the fare to try and keep pace with the rising
cost, so that passengers do pay a fair share. Public
transportation will never make a profit. The roads are
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going to be subsidized. It's at what level.
And so, I think right now, with the passengers
paying four percent of the total cost of the service, a
fare increase is more than warranted on the ParaTransit
side. So, any questions, comments?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Do you know if any transit
agencies have, like for example, our library system has
the Friends of the Library, and we have had our Domestic
Animal Services have Friends of Domestic Animal
Services, where people do provide donations for in the
case of the library, books and - and they help the
Animal Services with their care for the pets? Do you
ever hear anything like that?
MS. BARNETT: No transit agencies that are
establishing
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I mean, I'm thinking like
shelters - shelters, you know, because we actually have
been approached by individuals to donate a bench or you
know, that type of thing.
MS. BARNETT: They are - there are some transit
agencies where they have partnerships with certain
social service and non - profit agencies, where they allow
them to purchase the bulk passes at discounted prices to
help their customers. Coalition for the Homeless gets a
10 percent discount for Links passes, so they have that
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relationship to try and help them out.
They also did an income, for a short amount of
time, they did an income qualified pass, where they
offered a lower priced bus pass to anybody that was
affiliated with, like the TANF, Temporary Assistance to
Needy Families, the wages system, because the income had
already been verified by another agency, so the transit
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were able to offer those individuals the - the non-
profit sent over a list of their clientele, so that if
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the reduced fare passes.
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get like ten ride tickets. And it's ten percent cheaper
to buy the booklet of tickets than it is to just pay the
cash fare. But the Friends of, no, some of them are
partnering with the Chambers, so that they can get the
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Michelle, it sounds like you
want to start Friends of CAT.
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: And I know the County
Commissioner, they like Friends of this, Friends of
that. They love the volunteer thing.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah. We - I mean, because we
do get comments a lot about shelters and amenities
provided - to provide for the riders. Not necessarily
ParaTransit, obviously, but - but fixed route side. So
MS. BARNETT: You don't allow people to purchase
shelters for your customers?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE:
yes we would open them -
Well, I mean, if they would,
MS. BARNETT: Oh, okay. Because I - no, a lot of
transit agencies allow - now, they're - more are
reviewing the development orders too that when new
witnesses come in -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, that's how we - that's
how we have gotten some of the donations that we've
gotten.
MS. BARNETT: Right.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: It's been a development
MS. BARNETT: Yeah, so a lot of transit agencies
are doing that now. And a lot of the fast food chains
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are putting shelters in front, so that they can have a
stop in front to encourage people to come in to their
restaurants, and so - It's catching on some places as
transit is becoming more popular.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Now, the history of CAT,
it's fairly new, right? In Collier County? How many
years?
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MS. BARNETT: Yes, it was taken over by the county
in 1999 as more of a deviated fixed route system. And
then in 2001, they started offering regular fixed route
and ParaTransit service.
MEMBER OF THE
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amount of time.
PUBLIC: What was here before 1999?
It was private providers that -
kTIVE: Just the ParaTransit system.
PUBLIC: Yeah? So there was no public
what you've done in that short
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Mm hmm. (affirmative)
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I got a question, when the
bus has all seats occupied. There is not empty seats. It
is legal for people to stand on the bus?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: On the fixed bus? Yeah.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: And the CAT?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah.
MS. BARNETT: They just usually are not allowed to
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stand beyond a yellow or a white line. I'm not sure what
color it is on your buses, but -
CAT EMPLOYEE: White. Mm hmm. (affirmative)
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: What is it?
CAT EMPLOYEE: White. Yes.
MS. BARNETT: So usually they can stand, just not
beyond that line. What happens is the transit agencies
typically develop load factor standards, so they'll say
that they'll allow up to 150 percent capacity, which
means they can have - if you have a 35 foot bus, 35
seats, they'll allow an additional 17 people on that bus
standing. And then, once they hit that level, then they
start looking at putting additional buses out there or
increasing the frequency on that route to try and
decrease those loads.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I'm just concerned, because
this one time this lady was holding her daughter and she
had another bags in her hand, and she almost (inaudible)
So, I don't know -
MS. BARNETT: So, buses have the poles and usually
the overhang, so that people can hold on. And I've -
I've stood up on the buses and when they stop, I know
that -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (inaudible) tall, they're a
pain, but (inaudible) -
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: They - they have posts too, in
some cases, depending on where you are.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And there - there are hand
grab bars on -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: On the chairs.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: - on the back of the seats;
yeah.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: (inaudible) was a gentleman
that standing to let her -
MS. BARNETT: And that's where - usually if there's
a nice -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: That's what he should have
done before that happened, right? I'm just kidding.
MS. BARNETT: And that - I mean, I see it when I
use the bus sometimes, you know, if there's an elderly
person or someone with children, some of the able body
people will give up their seats. A lot of times, if
they're younger able body, like 25 and under, they
ignore it. And sometimes, if they're nice gentlemen,
then they'll give up their seats. Not all the time.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: The gentleman is supposed to
stand up and give the woman the seat.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, no requirements of seat
belt?
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: No. No. Not in - only on the
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ParaTransit side, we have seat belts.
MS. BARNETT: And they are required to strap down
the wheelchairs that board the buses. So, they are
required to strap them and otherwise no seat belts. And
that's been debated at the Federal level, whether or not
seat belts should be required on buses. School buses
don't have them and it's a safety issue, because you
have so many people. The buses are typically bigger, so
in most accidents, the buses and the bus passengers end
up okay, it's whoever they hit or were hit by - because
there are great drivers and usually it's not their
fault.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: You never get money when you
hit a bus. They never pay. Never.
MS. BARNETT: But exiting, because of the seat
belts, if you have that massive amount of people trying
to get out of the vehicles, if one jams or things like
that, so they debated whether or not. But so far, no
requirements for seat belts on the buses.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: It's harder to get out from
the seat belt.
MS. BARNETT: Yeah. And it's annoying. Safer in the
car.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: I have a general question
about transit, have you ever thought about rapid
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transit, like trains here or anything? I know it's - you
started ten years ago and there's probably no
infrastructure to do it. Has it ever come up, the idea?
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yes.
MS. BARNETT: Yes.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah?
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: And that's my kind of - my
gig, because I'm that metropolitan planning, that
planning part, right?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: So, we did actually look a
little bit at - at rail for commuters in this last long
range plan that was through 2035. And it was determined
at that time that although there's interest in it,
especially in the shorter running, kind of, the small
cars that might run down just Fifth Avenue or something
in Naples.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Oh, right.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: There's a lot of interest for
that.
that.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Because it looks cute.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: But at that time, yes.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Right in Miami they have
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yes. So anyway, we were
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constantly looking at new ideas and - and ways to make
transportation better, and this is what the MPO actually
does. And we update our plan every five years, so when
we start to do the next update, that's the time for the
citizens to come out and actually -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: What's your opinion on that?
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: I believe that it takes a
certain density to support it -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Right.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: - and if you don't have that
density, that this is a lot of money -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: - and quite honestly, I'm kind
of a bus advocate, because the - the cost for rail is so
much higher than the cost for bus lines. We could do so
much with the same money, if it was invested in bus
lines.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Buses; right.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: There - there was also some
discussion about utilizing the rail that's already here,
because at one point, we did have rail that came all the
way out down to U.S. 41 at the depot. I don't know if
you know that museum in the city.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Yeah, I - (inaudible) showed
me a map once of the rail that used to be here.
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, it used to go down
Goodlette, near Goodlette Road. That's where the line
used to build. But a lot of that right of way is
abandoned, but there was discussion about utilizing the
rail - rail head, which is just South of Lee County into
Collier County, and having some sort of commuter rail.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Between the counties.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: Or - or like a hybrid -type
rail - rail bus thing, because they do have those
vehicles that convert from a rail and then they go on
wheels that go on the - the road.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: They do?
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MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, and there's a thing also
for what is called a busway, which is a dedicated track
that is sort of like what Michelle was talking about,
where it may have dedicated right of way that is not on
the roadway, and yet that would allow for the bus to
move freely without interacting with all of the regular
congested -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, that's your way of doing
transit with buses?
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Nice.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: In fact, Lee is actually
looking at that. They'll do it way before we do it.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well, they're - they have
more density.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: They have twice as many
people.
issue.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: More density. So, that's the
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, they're a smaller - a
smaller size, so they have both things going for them. I
used to work in others areas, where there was transit of
trains though, and I can tell you there were some very
big challenges, even if you get to the point, where you
can think about a commuter rail. What Lee is going to be
looking at will require sharing rail lines with other
types of traffic. So, they will be using a commercial
line -
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Train lines?
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Like with freight trains and
everything?
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah. Yeah.
MS. BARNETT: Everything -
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: So, that's - that - that look
has to take that into account. And so, you're dealing
with the freight lines, sharing the lines with traffic
that's for passengers.
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CAT REPRESENTATIVE: I thought you were talking
about their BRT route.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: Yeah, but on top of it, we
were looking at actual rails. So anyway, yeah there's a
lot of challenges for this.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: So, not a big global
warming, when is CAT going to go totally electric?
MS. BARNETT: Totally electric?
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: What year? What year?
MS. BARNETT: Well, they have hybrid -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: We do have some hybrids that
are green, so but the cost for purchasing hybrid buses
are twice the cost of our regular diesel. But with all
the regulations that there are, the diesels are pretty -
pretty good to the environment right now. A lot better
than they used to be, you know, so that's my story and
I'm sticking to it.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Good - good line.
MS. BARNETT: And actually, just if you're
interested, the Center for Urban Transportation
researched out of Tampa, CUTR, they just released a
report on hybrid bus usage and whether they are getting
the fuel returns and whether it's worth the investment
for those vehicles. So, I'll be happy to give you the
website if you're interested and looking at that.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Sure.
MS. BARNETT: Some agencies have had some
mechanical issues with the buses. Some have not seen the
fuel efficiency that they anticipated with going to the
hybrid vehicles. So it's a higher cost vehicle, they're
not really seeing the reduction in fuel cost for them,
so - But from an environment standpoint, it might be
worth the investment.
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MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well, we don't have a lot of
density here, so we don't have bad air pollution, like
in big cities -
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: No, we don't.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: - where it's more - you have
to do that.
MPO REPRESENTATIVE: They were considering
tightening the regulations and we still weren't going to
be in a non - attainment, so we have a little ways to go
before we're at that point.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC: Well, this economy, it will
be double sized in 20, 30 years, I mean it's just
normal. The population will go up.
MS. BARNETT: Any other questions, comments? Well,
there is a 30 day comment period, so you have until
March 16th. If you know of anybody that's going to be
impacted or once you leave here, you're like, Oh I
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should have said this. Please feel free to send us your
comments. We have comment cards in the back of the room,
so if you want to take some with you and hand them out,
please give us your comments. We really want to know
what the public has to say about this.
It will be taken to the local coordinating board
for approval. They really only have authority to approve
the Transportation Disadvantaged fare, but the entire
recommendation will be taken to the LCB. In addition, it
will be taken to the Collier County Commission, and that
would be the final approval will come from the Collier
County Commission.
So, there are additional opportunities for public
input and we are going to take all of the input that we
get and present it to the county, included in our
report. So, feel free to give us your comments. That's
why we're coming out here before they actually go
forward with any of the proposals. So thank you all for
coming, and we're around the room. We're here until
seven, so if you want to ask us your questions
individually or make your comments, feel free to come up
to us and make them. And thank you. Take a cookie.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: (inaudible) are you hearing
anything from passengers about fares or anything like
that? No?
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CAT EMPLOYEE: Actually, they thought the fixed
route was going - was going up also. Yes, that's all I
heard (inaudible). Not really.
CAT REPRESENTATIVE: And were they upset about
that?
CAT EMPLOYEE: Some of them, but it was - it was
more like they didn't believe it, because it was
(inaudible) .
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CERTIFICATION OF TRANSCRIPTIONIST
I, JENNIFER NALEVANKO, Legal Transcriptionist, do
hereby certify that I was authorized to and did
transcribe the meeting in the foregoing matter; and that
the transcript, pages 1 through 50, is a true record of
the digital recording.
I FURTHER CERTIFY that I am not a relative,
employee, or attorney, or counsel of any of the parties,
nor am I financially interested in the action.
DATED this 29th day of February, 2012.
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Nanles Reporting, LLC
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Naples Reporting, LLC
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