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CAC Minutes 06/10/2004 R June 10,2004 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, June lO, 2004 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 1 :30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Ron Pennington Tony Pires Graham Ginsberg John Sorey III James Snediker (Excused) John Arceri (Excused) ALSO PRESENT: Maria Bernal, Tourism Dr. John Staiger, City of Naples Ron Hovell, Utility Engineering Dept. Shane Cox, Utilities Engineering Dept. Paul Kwa, Utilities Engineering Dept. 1 NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING COAST AL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA THURSDAY, JUNE 10,2004 1 :30 p.m. I. CALL TO ORDER II. ROLL CALL III. CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA IV. PUBLIC COMMENTS V. APPROVAL OF CAC MINUTES A. Approval of minutes of May 13,2004 VI. NEW BUSINESS A. Wiggins Pass Permit Modification Study B. Draft Marco South Beach Renourishment Permit Application VII. OLD BUSINESS A. County / City of Naples Beach Renourishment Update B. Hideaway Beach Renourishment Update VIII. PUBLIC COMMENTS IX. ANNOUNCEMENTS X. COMMITTEE MEMBER DISCUSSION XI. NEXT MEETING DATE/LOCATION A. August 23, 2004, BCC Board Room COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE June 10,2004 Page 2 XII. ADJOURNMENT Notice is hereby given that the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee will hold a meeting on Thursday, May 13th at 1:30 p.m. in the Board of County Commissioners chambers, located on the third floor of the W. Harmon Turner Building, Collier County Government Center, 3301 E. Tamiami Trail, Naples. The agenda includes, but is not limited to, the following: In Regard to the Public Meeting: All interested parties are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in writing, to the board/committee prior to the meeting if applicable. Collier County Ordinance No. 03-53, as amended, requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying activities (including, but not limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners, an advisory board or quasi-judicial board), register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department. If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding, you are entitled, at no cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County Facilities Management Department located at 3301 East Tamiami Trail, Naples, FL 34112, (239) 774-8380; assisted listening devices for the hearing impaired are available in the County Commissioners' Office. For more information, call Maria Bernal at 213-2966. --..- June 10,2004 I. Meeting was called to order by Chairman Ron Pennington at 1 :31 PM. II. Roll Call: Roll call was taken with Mr. Snediker and Mr. Arceri being excused. A quorum was established. III. Changes and Approval of Agenda: Mr. Hovell mentioned the representatives from Eco-Shore were asked at the last meeting if they would consider doing an experiment at their cost and was not sure they would be in attendance. Mr. Ginsberg would like to speak on the topic of people being excluded from particular beaches. Mr. Pennington stated to be within their policy, if a member wishes to bring up an item, should be under "Members Comments" at the end of the meeting. Mr. Pires moved to approve the agenda as presented. Second by Mr. Sorey. Carried unanimously 5-0. IV. Public Comments: SPEAKERS David Roellig - Non-Incorporated area - reason he came today was that he was under the impression - "members serve until they are replaced" and find that is not the case. He expressed his appreciation of the staff for all the work they have done and bid his fellow members a fond farewell. The reason he is not going to be reappointed is because there is talk Pelican Bay may be annexed into the City of Naples and that would give the City of Naples another vote. He has always voted with the City of Naples and Marco Island and anyone wanting to improve the maintenance ofthe beaches. He hopes they get a notice from DEP in July that they will issue the permit for the County. If not they don't advertise and award a beach renourishment. When there are a lot of unknowns and variables, he hopes they don't advertise the job unless they get the permit. He has enjoyed his tenure on the committee and said his "goodbyes" to everyone. Mr. Pennington thanked him for his service on the Committee and assured him if they don't get the permit, they will not award a Contract. Mr. Pires also personal1y thanked Mr. Roellig. Mr. Pennington welcomed their newest member Mr. Murray Hendel. V. Approval of CAC Minutes: A. Approval of minutes of May 13, 2004. _ Page 6 - 3rd Par. - 2nd line - insert (coma) after development services director. Add (and) insert - would (not) be to get the County Attorney's opinion. _ Page 7 - Speaker John Findley - change - title to tidal. _ Page 7 - Should state Wiggins Pass (Inlet) 2 --- June 10,2004 _ Page 7 -last line - capitalize (Outstanding Florida Waters) Mr. Ginsberg moved to approve the minutes of May 13, 2004 as amended. Second by Mr. Pires. Carried unanimously 5-0. VI. New Business: A. Wiggins Pass Permit Modification Study - Shane Cox (Sr. Project Mgt. Public Utilities Engineering) Update from Humiston & Moore is as follows: · One problem - Gulf erosion along Barefoot Beach and the other erosion inside the channel. · Option for Gulf side - renourish beach, address dredging plan and erect control structures. · Shore protection structures and realign the channel were two solutions discussed with realigning the channel with the most interest. · Was asked to prepare another proposal to continue with that solution. · Has proposal for Phase II of the Study including survey and modeling. Would compile off other charts and look at various dredging discussed previously. · Not compatible with structures on their effect of outcome. SPEAKERS John Findley - Estuary Conservation Assoc. - Chairman of Milestone Committee - (monitors the pass) - He mentioned Parks & Recreation Advisory Board was going to give some recommendations. The erosion is continuing. The beach is not building back up. He showed pictures on the visualizer. He showed places of erosion. Depths are dropping down where the dredging was done. Had been concerns with 13 foot level and reducing it. Natural level into the gulf is 13 feet. Most of the erosion on Barefoot Beach took place 9 months after initial dredging that went to 13 feet. Was down to 8-10 feet after most of the erosion took place. The 13 feet is not a big factor on the actual erosion. The river is a more dominant force now. Recommendations by the Estuary Conservation Assoc. were to take out tidal shoaling. Showed the area on the map. Water and stronger tidal flow causing curve. Not dominant force but with rains it is cutting into back side of island. That is what the Parks and Rec was concerned about. Recommend to endorse straightening of the pass and taking it out. Will create a better health to the estuary for incoming tidal surges going in and out. Would reduce dredging. Continued to show many pictures. Further discussion followed on Mr. Findlay's above remarks with the Committee. Mr. Hovell mentioned the State Parks people attended a meeting at St. Johns Church and expressed some of their views. Mr. Findley asked the person who he was representing and the person stated he was representing the State Parks & Recreation and not the State itself. 3 June 10,2004 Mr. Pires recalls a comment from the State park people involving the preserve. Some of the materials he had, stated they should leave it along. Part of the concern was the erosion was caused by the depth of the dredging project going to 13 feet. He talked about a report from Humiston & Moore on the increase of the erosion rate north at R16 - increased scope of the dredging proj ect - technical information was; part of the channel is filling in - depths of 8 feet. His thought was to leave it as it is without any further dredging. Mr. Hovell said there are two sides to the erosion - gulf side (dredge or not to dredge) and the interior side (bay side) has more to do with the shape of the channel and the amount of water coming from inland sources. The concept to deal with the two forms is two different things. On the interior side is to study two versions of dredging the flood shoal. Mr. Findley gave the members a history of the shoal. Discussion on the increase of flow, the rains and the S curve. Mr. Ginsberg mentioned cutting a straight line may create more erosion on the north and south banks at the mouth of Wiggins Pass. Many of the things discussed are items that would be in the study. Murdo Smith - Parks & Recreation - made a correction from Mr. Findley's remarks. Mr. Findley attended the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board for the County, and not the State. It was the State giving their opinion of not being in support of this - not the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board of Collier County. Doug Fee - North Bay Civic Assn. - Mr. Fee had a handout for each Committee member. (Handout was not given for Minutes & Records.) They asked at the last CAC meeting to have Parks & Rec hear the presentation being the sponsors. He felt they were not in support of the T-Groins and continuing to dredge to 13 feet outside the mouth. They were not prepared whether they would support removing the flood shoal. Felt more information needs to be presented. In the future they would or would not recommend. They need to determine how much more study is needed. He read the same thing that was read at the last CAC meeting. Those important remarks are as fol1ows: · Two important things: Preserve lands north and south of the pass. Both held by the State of Florida internal trust. · Florida Statute 253.034 all lands acquired in the trust shall be managed to serve the public interest by protecting and conserving land, air, water and the states natural resources. · Manage with a single purpose in mind. · Barefoot Beach and Wiggins are preserves and decisions should be made that they remain as natural as possible. · Designation of the waters at the pass, as wel1 as parts of the Estuary, is Outstanding Florida Waters and needs to be kept in mind. · Discussed the Statutes and DEP factors and read 2 of them - habitat and navigation and flow of water. 4 June 10,2004 · North Bay Civic Assn. - concerned with public not having enough time to comment and see what is in the report. Parks & Rec Advisory Committee needs to see what is in the report and discuss it. · Barefoot Beach - the southern tip has stabilized with the public being able to enjoy the beach. · Study seems to focus on navigation issues. · Dredging to 13 feet has a direct effect on the erosion of the shoreline occurring after the major dredge. · Not in support of T -Groins on the north side of Barefoot Beach. GMP clearly states they are not permitted. · Many questions were raised on the dredging ofthe S Curve. In the handout he had a picture from the Wiggins Pass Inlet Management Plan adopted in 1996. Showed the Pass system. Referred to different items in the handout. Mentioned review of the Manatee Protection Plan, adequate depth criteria's showing shal10w water system. Discussed many of the photos he provided to the Committee. He discussed pink highlighted areas in the handout. (Boundaries, sea grass and Hardbottom) Need to weight impacts. Attended meeting "Friends of Barefoot Beach". Mentioned different issues Dr. Gore mentioned of which one was "recommended boaters slow down and take their time getting in and out of the passes. Deeper and more frequent dredging wil1 only worsen erosion on the north of the area." Mr. Fee stated no one is arguing it needs to be navigable. Most boats have a shal10w draft _ 3 feet or less. No problem with the system and need to keep this in mind. Mr. Pennington asked about the funding being a transfer from Reserves. Mr. Hovell stated the Revenues from TDC have increased approx. $200,000. Mr. Pennington would like to see the status ofthe different accounts in the Budget when there are request changes. It would be helpful for making recommendations. Mr. Hovell can give him the projects from his office, but can't from the entire Tourist Tax Category "A" Fund. Mr. Pires found the Wiggins Pass Monitoring Report from Humiston & Moore submitted September 13,2002 conflicting with references of recommendation. He mentioned one page stated the erosion at the north side of Wiggins Pass should expect to continue with the highest erosion occurring during the months fol1owing a dredging event. Nothing referenced inflows or fresh water from upstream sources. The dredging related erosion should diminish over time with successive maintenance dredging. Also talked about the stability of the inlet channel and getting beach quality sand. He continued reading the parts ofthe report stating they already have a study that indicates engaging in that type of dredging could result in exacerbation of the erosion issue on the north shore. He didn't know what they would be spending the $51,000 for or if needed. Mr. Pires moved to recommend to the Board of County Commissioners and TDC to not engage in the scope of work and deny the request for further study. Motion was seconded. 5 >..,,"_..~______w~_._""'''''~'--- ~._.". "..-....----- June 10, 2004 Mr. Pennington mentioned doing nothing was an option and there are differences of opmlOn. Mr. Hovell mentioned staff brought this to the Committees attention with the proposal before them because of the options mentioned at last months meeting in feeling this was the best course of action. His office has no recommendation one way or another. Parks & Rec asked to address specific erosion issues, pending further studies. They are cautious about doing anything, but were interested in what the potential impacts might be. He will check with the project sponsor to see if they wish to go forward or withdraw the request. Motion carried unanimously 5-0. B. Draft Marco South Beach Renourishment Permit Application - Paul Kwa _ Public Utilities Engineering Dept. - Showed pictures of South Marco Island- Caxambas Pass - is slated to be constructed the winter of '05/06. His report included the fol1owing: · Area used as a borrow sight for 1991 & 1997 restoration project. · Showed where sand was added - 560,000 cubic yards (1991) · Dredged 60,000 cubic yards of sand from Caxambas Pass to South Marco Beach (1997) · City of Marco Island is sponsoring the project and application will be submitted for their approval. · Showed Borrow area photo · 130,000 cubic yards are needed to fil1 the beach to design specs. · The grain size was discussed. (has mean grain size of .33 millimeters) Mr. Hovell mentioned details need to be decided. One is a list of alternatives. Tourist Tax funds are for beach renourishment and the most efficient way to renourish Marco South Beach may not be to dredge Caxambas Pass. The City of Marco Island's name wil1 probably be on the permit and be requested to sign it. They are looking for approval from the City that the application reflects appropriateness. He showed a map of hotels and resorts meeting the public access criteria of the state along with the Parks and Recreation meeting access with boardwalk and parking. Mr. Hendel has a problem considering an application when the basic applicant isn't ful1y approved. Mr. Pennington had a problem with the sponsorship - with funding policy only applying to sponsor for liability concerns and structures on the beach. There is no authorization or basis for it. He suggested they approve it and work out the details later with staff etc. Mr. Sorey moved approval of the FDEP Permit Application submission for Caxambas Pass dredging South Marco Island Beach Renourishment. Second by Mr. Pennington. Motion fails 3-2. Those voting "no", Mr. Hendel, Mr. Ginsberg and Mr. Pires 6 June 10,2004 Mr. Pires felt it was a skimpy application. He wondered if it could be changed. A lengthy discussion pursued and Mr. Pennington stated the State says they have a responsibility of maintaining the passes. Mr. Hovell stated the Board of County Commissioners is committed to maintaining a navigational channel to a certain depth. They monitor and continue to say the pass doesn't need to be dredged and the channel markers not moved. Mr. Pires moved to forward the permit application with substantive additions to the particular aspect of the application dealing with the analysis of available alternatives. Second by Mr. Sorey. Carried unanimously 5-0. BREAK-3:06 PM RECONVENED - 3:13 PM Mr. Pennington mentioned Mr. Hendel wil1 be leaving at 3:30 PM. This leaves them with no quorum. He was under the understanding they can discuss further but to take no action or make no decisions. Mr. Hovell stated in checking with the Attorneys Office ifthere is no quorum the meeting should be adjourned. Mr. Pires stated he advises his public sector clients the same. Mr. Pennington then asked to have Mr. Hovel1 e-mail an update on the balance ofthe Agenda. The Committee proceeds with the rest of the meeting until they need to adjourn. x. Committee Member Discussion: Mr. Pennington stated Commissioner Fiala Chairman ofTDC is in agreement of a joint meeting in August. They wil1 have "Joint Agenda items" so the meeting can be recorded legal1y and any other business would be conducted at their September 9th regular meeting. Also noted _ Joint meeting for Hideaway Beach Renourishment on Sept. 9th. Need to confirm that date with TDC. Mr. Hovell mentioned they can't ask contractors to submit bids if no funding partner. He suggested the "Joint meeting" be the September 9th CAC meeting and invite TDC. Mr. Pennington wil1 address this change with TDC. Other items addressed: · Beach funding approved by legislature and moved up on the priority list. · Agenda packets are now sent via E-mail- reducing costs. · Maria wil1 post entire Agenda. Large files of back-up materials will need to be mailed or posted to the website. · Mr. Sorey has been advised not to have anything e-mailed to his home computer _ entire computer is public record and could be subpoenaed. . Discussed the process for links etc. Will start with their next meeting. . Large downloads taking more time was also discussed. 7 ,.,.---;,,---' June 10,2004 Mr. Hendel asked the status ofthe membership. . There is one vacancy at this time - one was appointed Tnesday from the City of Marco Island, and Mr. Roellig's seat (at-large) was advertised and should be appointed at the June 22nd Board meeting. Mr. Sorey asked about dual board membership. There was a consensus at the City Council meeting there was no problem. Mayor Barnett wrote a letter June 3rd to that effect. Mr. Ginsberg would like two items added to the next meeting: . One was "Week-end Clean-up Crew for Beaches" - but the Committee did not feel the subject to be in the pmview ofthe CAC Committee or in the Ordinance. . The other item Mr. Ginsberg wished to be on the Agenda was - "individuals being asked to leave particular beaches." Again members did not feel was in the pmview of the CAC committee. Seems to be going beyond the realm of the Ordinance etc. Discussion followed on the ru Ie of the Coastal Advisory cummittee establishing po lici es of flmding, beach restoration and beach access points. The Cummittee discussed the role of Parks and Recreation and the Coastal Advisory Committee and the concerns and differential of each. (Mf. Hendel left at 3:35 PM.) The next meeting ofthe Coastal Advisory Committee will be July 16th, 2004. ***** There being no further business for the good ofthe County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 3:37 PM. COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Chairman Ron Pennington 8