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Naples, Florida, August 13, 1987
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in
and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the Board of Zoning
Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special districts as
have been created according to law and having conducted business
herein, met on this date at 9:00 A.M. in BUDGET WORKSHOP SESSION in
Building "F" of the Government Center, East Naples, Florida, with the
following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Max A. Hasse, Jr.
VICE-CHAIRfo'A":; Arnold Lee Glass
John A. Pistor
Burt L . Saunders '.,
Anne Goodnight
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ALSO PRESENT: Beverly Kueter and Maureen"Kenyon (2:00 P.Mo'),
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Deputy Clerks; Neil Dorrill, County Manager: Lori Zalka, Budget
Director; Stanley Litsinger, Jean Ganse1 and Jennifer Pike, Budget
Analysts.
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COURTS AND RELATED AGENCIES
Budget Analyst Litsinger advised that the main budget book will be
used during the presentation of Courts and Related Agencies.
Court Reporter ~ Page A-57 - Mr. Litsinger stated that this budget
reflects a 27% increase in operating expenses due to an increase in
the number and complexities of trials. He stated that on July 28,
1987, the Board of County Commissioners approved an additional $30,000
in 6xpenses for the current year to cover the expenses of the
increased workload, and therefore, the 2~~ Increase in next year's
budget is justified.
Commissioner Pistor questioned whether the budget request is suf-
ficient? He stated he has been advised by the State Attorney that
there are a couple trlals which may be lengthy and complex, and will
probably cost a considerable amount of money. Official Court Reporter
Carrothers stated there are a couple trials coming up" starting in
October, which look like they will be quite lengthy. He explained
that anytime a trial runs 10 days to 2 weeks or more, the expense
increases dramatically over normal trials.
Commissioner Pistor stated that he is not necessarily recommending
that the budget be changed, however, he wanted the Commission to be
aware that from all indications, additional funds may be needed. He
pointed out that it is not only the Court Reporter involved.
Mr. Carrothers stated that the Public Defender's Office and the
State Attorney's Office are very conservative with depositions. He
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stated that the unexpected costs in these agencies arise from an
unexpected lengthy trial.
In answer to Commissioner Saunders, Mr. Carrothers stated that the
triðls Commissioner pistor is addressing may cost an additional
$20,000. Ms. Za1ka stated that the budget office has not previously
received this information. Also replying to Commissioner Saunders,
Ms. Zalka stated that if the Board feels confident that there will be
substantial costs which are not reflected in the budget, those costs
should be reflected at this time.
Replying to Commissioner Glass, Ms. Zalka stated that any overage
in the Court Reporter's Budget is carried forward to the next year.,
Commissioner Saunders suggested that the Court Reporters budget be
increased by $20,000.' The other Commissioners agreed, with the excep-
tion of Chairman Hasse.
Court counselinq - Page A-58 - Mr. Litsinger stated there is no
significant change in this budget which shows a 2.7' decrease.'; He
said the decrease is due to a capital expenditure which will not be
repeated next year.
witness Manaqement/Viotim Assistanoe - Page A-59 - Mr. Litsinger'
stated there is a 68% increase in this budget, inèluding $4,300 in an
expanded service for computer equipment for automation of witness
records. He said an $18,000 increase in personal services is
requested for the phase-in of a,Clerk III from this year's budget and
the upgrading of two existing positions.
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In answer to Commissione~ Glass, Court Administ~ato~ Bell advised
that under Florida Statute Chapter 960, Counties have been given the
obligation to create a Victim's Assistance Program, which Collier
County has accomplished. He said that while the programs are located
in the same office,' they are two totally separate functions. He noted
it is spelled out very specifically what must be done to accommodate,
help, and aid victims of crime that are reported to the State
Attorney's Office. He stated that is why the program was increased to
3 positions during this fiscal year, and also why the addition of a
computer is necessary.
~tr. Bell stated that when a case is goi~g to trial, the State'
Attorney's Offièe subpoenas a list of witnesses. He said the list'
could be comprised of two witnesses or twenty-two witnesses depending
on the trial itself. He continued by stating that the function of the
Witness Management Program is to get the witnesses to the Courthouse,
get them before the right judge in the right courtroom, and hold them
here as long as they are needed in trial. He requested the Commission
to imagine what it is like to be told you will be at the Courthouse at
9:00 to testify in a case. He said pèople who have not had the
experience are traumatized to be here and don't know where they are
supposed to report. He said the Witness Management employees
literally take charge of the witnesses and have them present so the
State Attorney's case can proceed with order rather than the sometimes
chaotic scenes which have occurred in the past.
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Mr. Bell stated that F.S. Chapter 960 mandates that the Victim
Assistance Program provide everything from transportation to the
courthouse to intervening with the employer, death counseling or wha-
tever the victim may request. He stated they have to intercede in
every phase of the victim's life. He advised the program is wo~king
well, but the problem is the enormous increase in paperwork. Mr. Bell
stated a lot of money comes back to Collier County from the State
because of the accurate record keeping done by the program.
In answer to Commissioner Glass, Mr. Bell stated the program does
not run a hot line or anything of that nature. He also stated that
this program is only for victims in cases that are being prosecuted.
circuit court JUdges - Page A-50 - Mr. Litsinger stated this
budget reflects a 28% decrease over the curren~ fiscal year's budget.
He said the reason for the reduction is significant purchases of
office furniture and equipment made in the current year will not be
repeated next year.
Parol. , Probation - Page A-51 - Mr. Litsinger stated the tòtal
request represents a 46% increase, which includes expanded services
for one probation officer position and one probation officer assistant
position, and additional data processing terminal and service from the
Clerk's Data processing.
Mr. Litsinger stated the Budget Office does not recommend the
Probation Officer Assistant position due to fact that two positions
would represent a 22\ increase in Staff and there has been a 7%
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increase in the workload. He also noted that beginning with the
current fiscal year the Probation Department has gQne from b~ing a
totally fee supported function to requirfng ad valorem support.
Mr. Litsinger stated that in the operating expenses for services
from the Clerk of Courts, the Board added $24,000 on July 27, 1987 to
the current budget, an~ the large increase in expenses for next year
is for the same type of charges.
Commissioner Pistor noted that there will probably be a tremendous
increase in the number of people on probation because of current court
decisfons, judges using probation more of~~~, and early releases.
Parole & Probation Supervisor Offitt st~ted that in June, 1987,
the case load increased by 200 people. She stated it is their feeling
that this has been caused by the BAT Mobile increa~ing the number of
DUI convictions, as well as the number pleading guilty in DUI cases
because they can see th~mselves on tape. She stated there are pre-
sently l,944 people on probation with three probation officers, her-
self, and one assistant, or a case load of 600 persons per Probation
Officer.
She stated the Probation Officer Assistant currently has S2
warrants on her desk to be processed and each one takes approximately
one hour preparation before processing. She advised that the warrants
must be processed expeditiously before the person absconds from the
area or the consequences are not felt so severely. She noted the
JudQes are requiring the warrants be on their desks 7 days after
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someone has not reported.
In answer to Ms. Zalka, Mrs. Offitt stated that the number of
cases are already far exceeding the estimates given to the budget
office in March. Ms. Zalka inquired if there are 200 more cases for
June, how many finished their probation in June? Mrs. Offitt stated
that approximately 70 to 80 people go off probation each month.
Commissioner Saunders stated that he has worked with the Probation
Department and anywhere in the Country they tend to be overworked and
underpaid because it is an area people dn ~vt like to fund. He stated
that one of the functions they perform is an opportunity to rehabili-
tate through the probation process, and the numbers of 600 proba-
tioners per probation officer is astronomical and it is not possible
to contact that many people in a week. He stated that the expanded
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request for personnel is reasonable.
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Mrs. Qffitt stated that the salaries of the three probations offi-
cers has to be raised during the current year because of high tur-
nover. She stated the turnover is caused by the tremendous amount of
work vs. the salary rate.
In answer to Commissioner Glass, Mrs. Qffitt stated that the Board
of County Commissioners sets the fee level for probationers, with the
agreement of the County judges. She stated the current fee is $20 per
month. She noted there is one judge who will bgree to raising the fee
to $25, however, there is one judge who does not want to raise it.
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I~s. Za1ka pointed out that whèn thé:fee~:~re higher, fewer proba-
tioners pay the fee. Replying to Chairman Hasse, Mrs. Offitt stated
that if the probationer is indigent, they are not required to pay the
$20. She noted that probationers who ju~t do not pay are sent back
before the judge and may be sent back to jail, however, it costs $44
per day for incarceration. She also mentioned that with enough Staff,
collections may also increase.
Commissioner Pistor stated there will soon be another County Judge
and this will add more people to the pro~~~ion cases. He stated that
whether the Commission goes along with che budget or not, Mrs. Offitt
will probably be back within a few months requesting another budget
change to handle the overwhelming workload.
Commissioner Goodnight stated that if the Board is going to fund
the additional Probation Officer, the Assistant position also needs to
be funded. She stated 2/¡ is a good ratio, however 4/1 is not
realistic.
It was the general consensus, that the Parole , Probation Budget
be funded as requested.
Courtroom Operation' Maintenance - Page A-G3 - Mr. Litsinger
stated the increase being requested is 123% including expanded ser-
vices. He said the expanded services include $25,000 for Courthouse
Complex Security Services on weekends, conversion of the old Law
Library to a hearing room for Judge Hayes, and a position for a
telephone receptionist to serve the judges offices and assist in other
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judicial assistance functions.
Mr. Litsinger stated the Budget Office does not recommend fundi~g
the position of telephone receptionist because the main justification
was to answer the tel~phones and it is felt call-forwarding service
available from the County Switchboard could serve that purpose.
In answer to Chairman Hasse, Mr. Litsinger stated there were also
increases in current service because of a phase-in of a Mediator/
Coordinator position during the year and security services was
increased at the Courthouse Complex to include evenings.
Court Administrator Bell stated thet Juring the weekends there
have been break-ins. He stated the snack·'bar has been broken into
twice and Building "F" has been broken into twice. He explained that
security ends on Friday evenings at 9:00 p.m.~nd the ~rounds are not
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covered again until Monday mornings. He stated they would like to
take on another position and make it 24 hours/7 days per week.
Mr. Bell stated the County has contracted with Pinkerton
Detective Agency to provide thiD service. He said good service is
being provided, however, Staff is working with Pinkerton at this time
to improve that service.
In answer to Chairman Hasse, Mr. Bell stated that they are working
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with Facilities Management to work out conditions so that Building "F"
can be locked on nights and weekends. He noted there are a few
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problems with this since the Law Library has been lo~ated in Building
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Mr. Bell stated he has'b~eJIJ~~ue~~~¡bY each of the 5+ judge~,
and Judge Smith, to please beseech the Board to grant this position.
He said that they have been using call-forwarding, however, you would
have to go to the most backwoods section'of this Country to find a
Courthouse that does not have a receptionist. He stated this is not
simply a telephone operator to answer phones only for the judges, but
the person will fill in when necessary in actual offices whenever
needed. He noted that with the Federal Courthouse beginning September
8, there must be some central place for þê~p1e to call.
Commissioner Pistor stated that it is not even certain that the
requested $177,000 will be adequate to cover the increased costs with
the Federal Court.
It vas the general consensus that the Courtroom operation ,
Maintenanoe be budget be allowed as requested, inoluding the recep-
tionist position.
County Court Judges - Page A-64 - Mr. Litsinger stated there is a
request for a 19.5% increase in this budget. He stated the increase
is due to general office operations caused by an increase in the ser-
vice budget and computer costs. He stated they will be replacing
current typewriters with data processing equipment.
Eoonomic crime Rehabilitation Program - Page A-65 - Mr. Litsinger
stated there is a slight increase in this budget, however, the program
generates revenue and is self-supporting.
Aloohol Information Classes - Page A-66 - Mr. Litßinger stated
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this program is also self-supporting and mentioned that there is a
slight, de~rease in the budget.
In answer to Commissioner Saunders, Mr. Litsinger stated the
decrease is due to a problem with finding instructors for the classes.
Naples Wilderness Alternative - Page A-67
Mr. Litsinger stated
there is no significant change in this budget which reflects a 3.3%
increase. He noted the level of activity will remain the same.
state Attorney'_ ottice - Page A-68 - Mr. Litsinger stated there
is ~ 15.4% increase in operating costs due to increased telecom-
munications costs. He noted that there ~: a new revenue of $48,900
shown which reduces the net cost to ge~eral revenues by 35%. He
stated the new revenue is a reimbursement from the Local Government
Criminal Justice Trust Fund for communications" costs incurred by the
County in support of the State Attorney's Office.
Commissioner Pistor stated it is his understanding that there will
be more money available to counties for conflict cases, and there is a
meeting on this being held in September.
Public Detender's ottice - Page A-69 - Mr. Litsinger stated there
is an 8% decrease in expenses for this budget. He stated the decrease
is primarily due to an over-estimation of expenses within the current
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In response to Commissioner Saunders, Mr. Litsinger exp~aine~ that
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the Public Defender must estimate his workload to arrive at expenses.
Ms. Zalka stated these are items such as telephone, utilities, etc.
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MSTD special Revenue General Punð - stat. Attorney - Page C-l3 -
Mr. Litsinger stated this is the unincorporated area portion of the
State Attorney's budget. He stated it is for the enforcement of
County Codes and Or~inances such as zoning, building permits, tree
removal, etc. He stated there is a 22.6% increase in expenses,
however, there is a change in the method of paying for this particular
service.
Mr. Litsinger stated that previously the Board paid for a one-half
posi~ion funded under personal services and next year it will be a
contract for direct service on an hourly basis as the service is used.
In answer to Commissioner Saunders, Ms. lalka stated the hourly rate
has not b~en established as yet.
Ms. Zalka stated that the previously funded position was funded in
conjunction with the City"of Naples. She advised that the State
Attorney has had continual problems in filling the position, and not
much service was provided. She stated that a contract has been
suggested, rather than the specific position, so that whichever
Attorney handles the County's cases would be paid. In answer to
Commissioner Glass, Ms. Zalka stated that if the Board decides on a
hearing officer method of enforcement, it would simply mean the County
would not be using the State Attorney's office as much for prosecution
of cases.
Commissioner Saunders stated that the reason for funding the posi-
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position for code enforcement so that they wouldn't always be at the
bottom of the list for prosecution. He said that if a special posi-,
tion is not funded, the State Attorney already hasthe'obligåtion to
prosecute code violations. He said it is a question as to when they
are prosecuted, not if. He asked if the contract would move the
County up on the list for prosecution?
Ms. Zalka stated that during discussions, the contract was pro-
posed as a way to encourage higher priority. Commissioner Saunders
stated that using this method, the County i~ paying for the service
twice.
It was the qeneral consensus that the ÞUðqet be lett .s it is tor
now, anð betore the wrap-up session, Statt meet with the State
Attorney to ðetermine Justification tor proviðinq an hourly tee to the
state Attorney's otfic~.
Commissioner Pistor volunteered to talk to the State Attorney in'
regard to this matter.
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Public Services Administration - Page A-28 - Budget Analyst Pike
stated this budget has increased 45%. She stated. the increase is due
to an expanded service request for an Assistant Public Services
Administrator. She advised there has been a decreas~ in operating
expenses due to ð move from off-campus to Building "F", however, since
the'b~dget was prepar~d, the office will be again moving :oft~cämPùs.
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Ms. Pike stated a revised budget will be presented during the
wrap-up session.
Veteran Servioes - Page A-29 - Budge~ Analyst Gansel stdted this
budget increase is 37.6% for a total request of $109,900.00. She
stated the primary reason for the current service increase is due to
rental of a building and associated cost. She stated there is an
expanded service request of $6,900.00 for a computer and office equip-
ment for a Veteran's Information System.
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Youth Guidance - Page A-30 - Ms. PÜe stated that Youth Gt.l1dahce
has been operating two programs, one in Naples and one in Immokalee.
She advised that the Immoka1ee Program has been funded by a grant and
Collièr County has not been awarded that grant for the next fiscal
year. She stated this \liil mean a change in the program.
Public Services Administrator O'Donnell stated the reason the
grant is not available to Col1ièr County next year is' because it was a
three-year funding grant which was non-renewable after FY-1987. He
stated the Youth Guidance Director has been attempting to secure addi-
tional funds, however, has not been successful. He noted that this
grant essentially operated the Immokalee Office, including personnel
and operating costs of $56,000.
Mr. O'Donnell stated that the program will operate next year with
a Staff of one Director and two Youth Guidance Specialists. He stated
they anticipate trying to provide service County-wide, however, the
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level of service will be reduced. He stated the Director has been
able to secure meeting spaces with the Sheriff's facility and the
Library in Immokalee to try and maintain service in that area.
In answer to Chairman Hasse, Youth Guidance Director Conners
stated they work with the school Board when children are referred to
Youth Guidance Programs. She stated they were going to begin a
tutoring program in the fall because the guidance counselors in the
schools feel that the children with disabilities could use more
tutoring. She advised that most children are referred from the
Schools, HRS, and the Courts. She noted that the School,Board does
not contribute to this program.
Commissioner Pistor stated that this is an important activity with
the problems being faced in Immokalee and he p:rsonslly would hate to
see it end.
Commissioner Goodnight stated that at last year's budget hearing,
the Commission was told the grant would not be refunded. She stated
her feeling that the County must either fund the program or place a
position in Immokalee. She stated that left the way it is proposed,
Immokalee will not receive any service, and half of the program is
comprised of youths in Immokalee. She stated her feeling , that if the
program is to have services cut-back, it should bè done on a County-wide
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Mr. O'Donnell stated that with the addition of p'arks &,Recreation
Programs in Immokalee and the opening of the Immokalee,Co~~~ity Park,
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it is felt that the Summer Day Camp can be taken over by the Parks &
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Recreation Department.
Replying to Commissioner Saunders, Parks & Recreation Director
Crawford stated that some of the needs can be met, however, .there is a
difference in the scope of the programs. He stated that Parks &
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Recreation is specifically oriented to recreational opportunities for
children, whereas, Youth Guidance seems to be oriented to counseling
of children. He stated there is a little overlapping, but Parks &
Recreation could fill the recreation portion of Youth Guidance's
summer program.
Ms. Conners stated that at one time Yo~th Guidance was
recreational, however, the program is moving more and more into
guidance and counseling. ~he stated that they agree that they need to
drop the summer day camp program, but keep the Consequences of Crime
Program, Advertures of Life Program, Self-Group, Pals Program,
Community Betterment Progf.am, and the Tutoring Program. She noted
that these programs are fo~ pre-delinquents and delinquents.
Answering Commissioner Saunders, Ms. Conners stated her feeling
that the department will have a problem running the programs in
Immokalee and recommended another specialist be placed in Immokalee.
Commissioner Goodnight stated she would be happy if only one posi-
tion was eliminated from Immokalee ðnd one position would remain
there.
County Manager Dorrill rec~mmended that in order to maintain, the,
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budget, because any addition to the budget will result in reductions
in other programs or reductions in the reserves, that Youth Guidance
be a three member department, one director, and two counselor posi-
tions, one in Naples full-time and one in Immokalee full-time, with
the recreation element being picked up by the Parks & Recreation
Department within the new Community Parks.
Ms. Connors stated that the Adventures of Life Program is for ado-
lescent boys and it should not be taken over by a woman and it will
have to be eliminated in Naples. She also stated the Tutoring Program
will need to be eliminated. She advised that if there is to be a
full-time position in Immokalee, they will np.ed office space.
Mr. Dorrill stated that office space 10 the least of the problems.
He stated counselors will be needed in both ar~as and probably will
have to insist that someone from Immokalee be hired in that position.
He stated that he is sure that they can work within the recommended
$101,000.00 budget.
Ms. Pike suggested that this budget be brought back at wrap-up
showing how it will work within the recommended budget. Commissioner
Saunders stated he would like to see it shown two ways: l} showing
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one counselor in Immokalee and one in Naples: and 2) showing one posi-
tion in Immokalee and leaving two in Naples.
Animal Control - Page A-31 - Ms. Pike stated this budget shows
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Commissioner Pistor asked if th&re is any way the license fee for
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animals can be increased to help bring in more revenue? Ms. Pike
stated the budget shows an 8.3% increase in revenues.
Meðioal Examiner - Page A-32 - Ms. Pike stated the total budget
has an increase of 25%. She stated there are a number of items listed
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on Page 33 showing increases in current service, as well as expanded
service requests. She stated they are requesting a computer, two new
telephone lines, a microscope and setting up and equipping a septic
autopsy room.
In answer to Chairman Hasse, Ms. Pike stated that the telephone
lines are currently paid for by the Medi~o~ Examiner. Public Services
Administrator O'Donnell stated that the Meùical Examiner is a
contractual employee and picks up the telephone expense. He stated
that the Medical Examiner has requested that item be picked up by the
County. Ms. Pike pointed out that he is requesting only an addi-
tional two lines and he will still be responsible ~or the base cost of
the telephone.
Mr. O'Donnell stated there are currently three employees in the
office: the Medical Examiner, an Associate, and a Secretary. He
stated the work area and freezer is a short distance away from their
actual offices and they would like a phone in the work area.
Ms. Pike stated that a 4.5% increase for the employees is
reflected in current service and is consistent with Board policy.
Replying to Chairman Hasse, Mr. O'Donnell explained that the County
contracts with the Medical Examiner and he contracts with his
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employees and pays them.
Replying to Commissioner Saunders, County Manager Dorrill stated
that the $15,100 in revenues is the amount contributed from the State
for cost sharing.
Medical Examiner Schmid stated that the present r~muneration for
his Associate is impractical considering present market conditions.
He stated that one of the junior pathologists at Naples Community
Hospital just resigned because of an offer of more money. He stated
that current market conditions indicate that it is realistic that his
Associate will be able to secure a job offer for $40,000 per year more
than he is receiving now. He stated that he has not been able to keep
the position filled because of the low ~muunt of money. He then
requested that his Associate's position be raised from $68,000 to
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$1l5,000 per year.
In answer to Commissioner Pistor, Dr. Schmid stated there are
some efforts underway to get the State to take over the expenses of
the Medical Examiner's office, however, he is not sure of the exact
8tatus.
Replying to Commissioner Saunders, Dr. Schmid stated the
Secretary's salary is $l7,472 per annum and his is $l19,000 per annum.
He stated that he has done work for this County since 1963 and has
been full-time since 1972. He stated his assistant has been in
Collier County for 11 years and is from Madison, Wi~consin. He said
he was in Pathology Residency ~~fore coming to Collier County. He
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stated there is no other physiêián ¡i~!Colliér County that is Board
Certified being remunerated at this lo~ level. He noted that there
are no fringe benefits for the assistant position.,
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County Manager Dorrill stated that CGllier County pays more than
Dade County today. He said that since neither the State Stðtutes,
nor Dr. Schmid's contract preclude him from workirg in the private
sector, he would suggest that Dr. Schmid's office take on more private
work.
Replying to Chairman Hasse, Dr. Schmid stated they do occasional
private autopsies when requested by re11ltives of patients who die. He
stated that in those cases, they charge on a service for fee basis.
Commissioner Saunders stated that $68,000 sounds low to him. Mr.
Dorrill stated that Dade County has three assistants with a salary
range of $65,000 to $80,000; Sarasota, Manatee and DeSoto Counties
are paying $50,000 to $70~000: and Lee County pays per autopsy which
would provide an assistant with $50,000 to $55,000 based on $300 to
$400 per autopsy.
Chairman Hasse requested Mr.. Dorrill to also E.-:e how other ,coun-
ties handle the facilities of the Medical Examiner. Commissioner
Saunders requested that the benefit package ðlso be shown on the sµr-
vey.
I~ was the general consensus that the budget of the Medical
Examiner will be readdressed at the wrap-up session when more lnfor-
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mation i. avail.ble.
Publio Health Department - Page A-34 - Ms. Pike stated this
budyet reflects a 4.7% increase which includes the $165,000 for the
Improved Pregnancy outcome Program.
In response to Commissioner Saunders, Health Department Director
polkowski stated that the OB-GYN situation is still a crisis. She
stated that recently a local obstetrician was in the hospital for 48
hours straight because of the heavy workload.
County Manager Dorrill stated that the $165,000 for the Improved
Pregnancy Outcome Program, which was a new program this year directly
related to the OB crisis, is still in the budget. He stated the
program may not be currently implemented to the degree that either the
Board or Dr. Polkowski would like, but it is still in the budget ana
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does not preclude revising the program to include midwives.
Commissioner Saunders stated that he feels now is the time to
discuss the OB/GYN program, however, if there is no interest in
discussing, he is happy to proceed to the next budg~t.
Dr. Polkowski stated that the $l65,000 is not really sufficient.
She stated that some alternatives are being discussed at the present
time and it is going through the hospital and medical committees.
Mental Health - Page A-35 - Ms. Pike stated the MentålHealth
budget reflects a 4.5% increase.
Commissioner Glass asked how much money goes into this'orgðniza-
tion from County, State, grants., and private donations? He alsoðsked
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if the County's contribution is mandated?
Public Services Administrator O'Donnell stated that the County is
mandated by the State to contribute 25% of the total operation of the
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Mental Health facility. He stated it does not have to come directly
from County monies, "but is specified as local match. He stated that
this could come from private donations. He also stated that the match
is specified by Mental, Health, and not specifically for David
Lawrence, however, David Lawrence is the agency fulfilling this need
and why they have historically received this money.
In answer to Chairman Hasse, Mr. O'Do~~~il stated that the County
Mental Health obligation is being contr;buted only to David Lawrence.
He stated the County is funding to a lesser extent some agencies, such
as Hospice.
Commissioner Glass stated that he does not bel~eve the Commission
has a handle on what is going on with all of the different monies. He
stated there is a lot of fee basis work going on at David Lawrence and
activities are expanded more toward providing profit services.
Responding to Commissioner Glass, Commissioner Goodnight stated
the services in Immokalee are not actually new. She said they have
been there for several years and they have been housed in County
trailers by the landfill. She stated they have received money from
the State to build a new facility. She advised that it is an alcoho-
lic center and has been funded for approximately 1,0 years.
Commissioner Saunders requested discussion on where the money is
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being used.
Mr. David Schimmel, Assistant Director of David Lawrence Mental
Health, stated that David Lawrence is a non-profit organization. He
stated they charge fees on a sliding scale to match State dollars. He
staled they receive funds for their match from private donations,
fees, and the County Commission.
He stated their total budget is
$4,000,000 and they provide the County Staff with audit reports so the
County has a complete breakdown of revenues and expenses.
Mr. Schimmel stated that of the $4,000.~~0, half comes through
State contracts which all require match money. He stated there was a
time when the County provided almost 25% of the budget. He advised
the amount being requested for FY 87/88 represents approximately 16%.
Chairman Hasse stated that as long as David Lawrence continues to
expand, they will not ~how a profit. He advised that the County has
just about reached its saturation point.
Mr. Schimmel stated that David Lawrence is the only licensed
agency in the County. He stated that it is their responsibility to
provide the services.
Commissioner Glass asked whether David Lawrence took an active
role in trying to prevent a new psychiatric hospital from getting a
Certificate of Need in North Naples?
Mr. Schimmel stated yes, they
did. Responding again to Commissioner Glass, Mr. Schimmel stated they
took this position because the need did not exist in·~their' opinion. :
Chairman Hasse stated that if David Lawrence continues to inóre8se the
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Schimmel stated their service grows because the need is there.
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years and the David Lawrence Mental Health Center has tripled in size.
In answer to Co~missioner Pistor; Mr. Schimmel stated the programs
are not the same as they were 10 years ago.
Responding to Commissioner Glass, Mr. Schimmel stated that the
Youth Drug Program has been operating since January, 1987 and things
are going smoothly. He said the census at this point is approximately
60% of which 90% are from Collier County. He also stated that the
only requirement the State has imposed Js that David Lawrence assess
people from Lee, Hendry and Glades Counties. He advised that Sarasota
just opened their own adolescent drug treatment center. He stated
than since inception, chi~ program has graduated aþproximatelY'lO'to
12 individuals, there ðre l3 or 14 children in treatment at this time,
and maybe two children are from outside the County.
County Manager Dorrill advised that State Statutes require that
local sources contribute 25% of the revenue. He said they Can consist
of contributions from the County Commission, donations from local
citizens and client associated fees. He said the State funds for this
activity next year are Ðpproximately $2,000,000: client fees and dona-
tions make-up over $l,OOO,OOO and the County Commission is being asked
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and donations meet the letter of the law, the minimum amount of
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funding that is required per Statutes. He said the $636,000 in sup-
port from the County Commission is in excess of the local requirement
for licensed mental health providers in each respective county.
In answer to Chairman Hasse, Mr. Dorrill explained that what he
means is that the local minimum funding, required by Statute, is met
through the client fees and donations from either the Foundation for
~Iental Health or private donations and contributions. Mr. Schimmel
stated that Mr. Dorrill's assessment is accurate, and they have
always been very appreciative of support from the County and probably
the reason why they are one of the better Mental Health Centers in the
State of Florida.
Responding to Chairman Hasse, Mr. S~hil~mel stated they are fami-
liar with the other groups requesting monies, however, they do not
feel there is duplication of services.
Mr. Dorrill explained to Commissioner Saunders that the $17,200 in
operating expenses is for meals provided to the "detox",facili~y,in
Immokalee. He said for years the Sheriff's kitchen has provided the
meals program for the "detox" center which is adjacent to the Immokalee
Jail. Mr. Jarvis, Comptroller for David Lawrence, stated tha~ ,these
funds are not disbursed to David Lawrence, but rather sent directly to
the Sheriff on a per meal basis.
Mr. Dorrill advised that local sources are paying approximately
48% to 49% of the David Lawrence Mental Health Center's buågetas
opposed to the minimum level of,funding of 25%. Mr, Jarvis stated
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that if the Center has to go back to operating at a minimum level, it
will require the discontinuation of a lot of programs.
In answer to Ch~irman Hasse, Mr. Dorrill stated that the Center
submits audited financial statements, however, they do not break down
the expenses to such things as salaries. Mr. Jarvis stated that wages
are in excess of $2,800,000 for both salaries and fringe benefits.
Chairman Hasse requested Mr. Jarvis to supply Mr. O'Donnell a break-
down of the salary schedule.
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It was the general oonsensus to approv~ ~he Mental Health Budget
at last years level of $609,200 plus th~ $l7,200 for the meals at the
"detox" oenter, for a total funding for FY 87/88 of $626,400.00.
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Tri-County Senior serVioes - Page A-36 - Ms. Pike stated there
are two expanded service requests being recommended by the County
Manager: 1) $7,700 in matching funds which will enable the Center to
purchase 5 new vans; and 2) $8,800 for movable wall partitions.
County Manager Dorrill stated he is recommending the money for the
movable partitions because public donations built a senior center in
Immokalee. He stated the County is using that center as a small audi-
torium or activity room. He stated these partitions will accommodate
multiple meetings in the building at one time.
Hospioe - Pag~ A-37 - Ms. Pike stated the recommended budget for
this program is $ll,OOO which is a 10% increase over the current year.
Commissioner Pistor stated that if this funding is not continued,
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the Commission would need to increase the Social Services Department
budget because Hospice is presently providing services for people who
would otherwise use the county Department.
Chairman Hasse stated that he feels it is worthwhile and within
reason.
County Forester - Page A-38 - Ms. Pike stated that there is no
increase requested in this $3,000 budget. She said the moneY is used
for technical services.
Chairman Hasse asked if this request is sufficient? Public"
Services Administrator O'Donnell stated ~\~ $3,000 was the request
of this agency.
Collier Soil & Water District - Page A-39 - Ms. Pike stated
there is a 4.6% increase in this budget for a total of $39,300. She
said there are two expanded programs: 1) $600 for a membership in the
National and State Association of Conservation Districts; and 2)
$l,OOO for travel to attend conservation district meetings and
training sessions.
Mr. Tom Jones, District Conservationist for the USDA Soil
Conservation Service and primary technical advisor to the Collier Soil
& Water Conservation District, stated they are present to request
funding for a staff position in order to increase, the level of service
to the County in the area of water irrigation management., He stated
that Water Resources in Collier County are under incfeasing' pressure
from expanding population, expanding tourist industry, and an
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expanding agricultural industry. He stated they feel one way to
increase the longevity of the water resovrces is to promote a program
that will advocate the use of conservation irrigation practices. He
stated that in conjunction with the technology currently available
in the irrigation industry, the application of these practices, the
efficiency will be maximized throughout the area.
Mr. Jones stated the way to accomplish this is to provide tech-
nical assistance in the field on an individual and case by Case basis
to work with the individuals involved with the systems. He 'said an
irrigation system contains two parts: J.) the hardware component: and
2) actual operator of the system. He said assuming the components,
such as pipelines, sprinkler, emiters, are installed properly, the
individual who decides if·· it is time to irrigate or not to i'rrlgate,"
for how long they need to operate the system, become the management of
the system. He stated that if time is spent with these individuals,
the irrigation systems in this County could be maximized.
Cou~ty Manager Dorrill stated thÍlt this was presented to/him,'
however, he elected not to fund it iit' his recommended bud~èl::;'He
stated the reason is that this is an activity which Counties are not
required to participate in, although Collier County does through
secretarial and clerical assistance and monies to allow travel to
meetings and training sessions. He stated his analysis is a lot of
people are interested in agricultural, citrus in particular, and there
wili be some duplication. He said the County Agricultural Extension
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Office presently has a citrus activity: there is a new State
Agricultural Research and Testing Facility being built in Immokalee
which will have State Research people in it: the SFWMD has technical
staff who devote the balance of their time for citrus related matters:
as well as most of the large grove owners in Collier County have pro-
fessional and technical staff within their companies who plan and
develop water management related systems for the citrus industry.
Mr. Dorrill stated that if the Collier Soil and Water District
should get into this area, the County should create a special taxing
district in the citrus related portion of the County, typically the
Immokalee ðnd State Roðd 29 portion of tt'l<, :ùunty.
Commissioner Glass stated that with~n one mile of the Courthouse
there are major tomato and citrus fields. He stðted the County needs
to be careful of water. He stated our citrus advisor in the
Agricultural Department is primarily looking at the health of the
trees. He stated we need to be very attentive to what we are doing to
our groundwater supplies. He said a function of a technician who is
specifically trained in irrigation management hydrology can provide
service until such time as the district can be extended. He also
stated that tomato and vegetable crops require a tremendous amount of
water in the winter time. He stated there must be an education, '
program and someone to watch it.
Mr. Dorrill stated that the way the program was presented was, a
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Commissioner Goodnight stated that not only will the District be
working with the farming and citrus, but also with. the horticultural
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industry which is very big business in Collier County and uses a lot
of water. She stated the Agricultural Research Center being built in
Immoka1ee is strictly a research center and they will not be going out
to individual farms. She stated her feeling that this new position
will be very beneficial to Collier County.
Mr. Jones stated they have also received supplemental funding from
the SFWMD for particular demonstration t'lPo programs in order to
disseminate the actual application of these practices.
He said that
although there are a number of different agencies, there are no dupli-
cation of services at the field level.
Commissioner Saunders stated that this is a fu~ction of. the
Pollution Control Ordinance rather than by giving funds to the.
District. Commissioner Glass stated that enforcement happens only
after there is a problem or after the water is contaminated.
When taking a consensus of the Board, Chairman Hasse and
Commissioner Saunders were in favor of approving the budget as recom-
mended by the County Manger. Commissioner Pistor, Commission~r Glass
and Commissioner Goodnight were in favor of funding the additional
$26,400 for the position.
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durinq the wrap up-session.
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Social service. D.par~m.nt - Pagp. A-40 - Ms. Pike stated there
is a 4.7% increase in this budget due to the phase-in of a Secretary
III position.
Library - Page A-4l - Ms. Pike stated the Library's budget has
increased 5%. She stated the Library Books budgeted were budgeted in
the operational budget this year, will appear in the capital improve-
ment budget for FY 87-88.
She also pointed out there is a phase-in
of a part-time Library Page to a full-time Library Page.
Ms. Pike stated there are three expanded service requests for
positions: 1) a temporary full..time Library Page at headquarters: 2) a
Library Processing Technician at headquarters; and 3) a Librarian II
at the East Naples Branch. She said thE: other expanded requests are
for office furniture and equipment.
Parks' Recreation Department - Page A-43 ~ Ms. Pike stated
the total increase in this budget is 80%. She said the current ser-
vice increase is due to the development of the four Community Parks
which are funded through the General Fund. She reported that $91,300
is an increase in electricity and grounds maintenance for the
Community Parks. She stated that beach concessions, food, resale and
supplies have increased. She noted there is a $63,600 phase-in of
the Marco Community Park and an increase in electricity for the new
Administrative Center.
down into categories:
Ms. Pike stated the expanded services request have been broken
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$14,900 - Clerk III position
Park Maintenance:
$79,600
$47,000
$33,200
$l4,000
- Operations, personnel and capital equipment for East
Naples Community Park.
- Landscaping for Golden Gate City Park and land adjacent
to Golden Gate Community Center.
- Two groundskeeper3 for North Naples District and special
projects
- One Kubota tractor with attachments
Beach and Water Park Operations:
$l68,300 -Annual County operation of Ti~ertail concession, revenue
forecast is $l47,600 resu]c~ag in a net loss of $20,700
$ 46,200 -Four month County operation of Clam Pass concession,
revenue forecast of $30,400 .esu1ting in a net loss of
$15,800.
$ 15,900 -Park Ranger for beach patrol
Recreation Programs:
$53,800 - One temporary part-time Program Leader I for Marco
Racquet Club; phase-in of one park coordinator and an
assistant coordinator for East Naples Community Park:
two assistant Community Park Coordinators
$ 5,400 - Supplies and operating expenses for special recreation
events
$ 1,500 - Racquet string machine for Marco Racquet Club
County Manager Dorril1 stated that the Beach and Water Park
Operations have been shown as if the County were operating the con-
cessions at Tigertail and Clam Pass 8S requested by the Commission.
He stated that both are projected to operate at a loss. Commissioner
Saunders stated that he does not want to sce the Cpunty operate either
concession. He stated he does not think it is a question of the
County operating them, but a question as to who will run them.
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Mr. Dorrill stated that the concern seems to be park security and
parking lot accountability. He said the County has historically
operated the parking lots at all of the attended facilities and recom-
mended that the County should continue to maintain this control.
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In answer to Mr. Dorrill, Parks & Recreation Superintendent
Loubier stated that operating the Clam Pass parking lot boo~h would
require $38,000 for one full-time attendant and four part-time atten-
dants. He advised that the senior citizen contract for parking atten-
dants was cancelled by the Senior's Agen~~.
Mr. Dorrill stated his advise to th~ Board would be to cut
$160,000 from the requested expanded services for Parks & Recreation
for the operation of the concession stands, and present in final form
at the wrap-up session. He also suggested that Staff submit a bid on
the concession stands when they are solicited, to see if, they are com-
petitive at that time.
It was the general consensus that the expanded service request tor
Parks , Recreation be decroased by $160,000 and the tinal bUdget be
submit~ed a~ the wrap-up session.
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reflects a 5.3% increase with no significant changes.
Museum - Page A-46 - Ms. Pike stated there is a 7l.4\ increase
in this budget. She pointed out that this percentag~ is compared to
the 1987 adopted budget which was an interim funding level ~ntil.the
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She stated there has
been a phase-in of a Museum Archivist. She stated the expanaed ser-
vice requests are rental of exhibits, eq~ipment, and historical arti-
facts.
Public Services Administrator O'Donnell stated that the dedication
of the Museum will be ~eld on Thursday, September 17, 198ì, which
coincides with the 200th anniversary of the Constitution.
Emergency Management - Page A-47 - Ms. Pike stated there is a
63.6% increase in this budget. She stated that this increase includes
the phase-in of a Communications Officer and a Switchboard Operator.
She also noted that these two positions were transferred from the
purchasing Department. She said there Br~ three expanded requests: a
remote water level monitoring station and a central receiver: a part-
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Mr. Dorrill stated this office has become the Public Affairs
Office which was approved during reorganization. He stated that the
part-time Emergency Planning Technician duties will include main-
tenance of plans which the County is required to keep, and an
increased level of participation in the rezoning and development pro-
cess in evaluating DRI's, largePUD's, and Rezones for hurri~a~e eva-
cuation.
Mr. Dorrill stated that the central receiver is an innovative
technique to be used to monitor storm level flood readings on Marco
Island for the coming year.
He said it is a telemetry device which
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sends a signal to the Emergency Operations Center to help in eva-
cuation decision planning based on flood levels at the causeway
entrance to SR-95l.
Ms. Pike stated they will address the changes to the budget as a
~~su1t' of reorganization at the wrap-up session.
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Project Help - Page A-49 - Budget Analyst Gansel stated that the
recommended funding level of this budget is $11,000 which represents
the portions of the program which Staff feels are not duplicated ser-
vices.
Commissioner Saunders stated for the record that he is no longer
on the Board of Directors of Project Help. He stated this decision
has nothing to do with his feelings for the organization, but rather
to avoid problems because they are requesting funds from the
Commission.
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history ~f events since the time they first requested the Commission's
financial assistance. She stated they are not seeking $45,000, but
rather requesting $30,000. She also advised that she has met with,
each of the Commissioners and answered their ques~ions and has defined
the differences between the David Lawrence Mental Health Center.and,'
Project Help.
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stated that grant is specifically written to serve the victims of
crime even if they have~not reported the crime to the appropçiate
authorities.
Ms. Knake stated that Project Help provides 24-hour per day ser-
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vice for any problem. She stated the Hot Line and'Rape Crisis receive
referrals from EMS, Law Enforcement, Schools, Doctors, Youth Relation
Deputies, etc. She noted that serious crime in Collier County rose
another 10.7% in the first half of 1987 and suicide is the 8th leading
cause of death. She advised that teen suicide is the 2nd leading Qause
of death among teenagers, second only to accidents.
Ms. Knake advised that Hot Line has r~6ponded to over 39 suicide
calls this year: 300 calls for alcohol and drugs usage: over 800 calls
this year in which people just needed someone to talk to; the Rape
Crisis Program has 42 ~ases since January, 1987 with II more that
received telephone counseling. She stated the Hot Line has received a
total of over 4,000 calls so far this year.
Ms. Knake stated they ran an intensive media drive for money when
they were notified they would be losing their private funding source
next year. She advised they have raised $10,000. She then displayed
a chart with the amounts of money donated by other Counties to their
Project Help Programs.
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Mr. Michael Geraghty, President of the Board of Directors of
Project Help, stated they have always tried to keep the program apoli-
tical. He stated they have some 60 volunteers who work on Project
Help and he has the utmost confidence in them and their two Staffmem-
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bers. Mr. Geraghty stated they also have funds promised from United
Way.
County Manager Dorrill stated that his recommendation of $11,000
was a result of $5,400 for rent, $4,600 for phone and $1,000 'for
training volunteer members. He stated the balance of the request is
mostly for administrative salaries and O~~=L overhead for vehicle
reimbursement, etc. He stated it is hh feeling that Project He,lp
could operate on a completely volunteer bat:lis."
In answer to Commissioner Glass, Mr. Dorri1l stated that some of
. salaries listed are $23,100 for the Director and $14,700 for the
Assistant, along with r.etirement, social security, and insurance.
Commissioner Glass stated that he would like the Commission ~08et
a policy for this type of funding before next year's budget and recom-
mended that the Commission fund Project Help with $20,000.
Commissioner Saunders suggested that the amount of funding be $30,000.
After a lengthy discussion, it was the general consensus that
project Help be funded with $20,000 in the FY 87/88 ~udget.
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Deputy Clerk Kenyon f.placed Deputy Clerk XU.tar,
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Division of Forestry
'Budget Analyst Pike stated that this is the budget where the
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county pays the State 3¢ per acre to protect the rural acres and there
is a 4' decrease in this budget.
In answer to Commissioner Hasse, Public Services Administrator
O'Donnell stated that the decrease is attributed to less acreage,
adding that as Coll~er County is growing and developing, there is less
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rural acreage.
Commissioner Goodnight stated that another reason would be the
amount of lands that has been taken over by the state and federal
government.
Parks and Recreation
Budget Analyst Pike stated that thi~ budget is funded through the
MSTD general fund, adding that the budget has decreased by 52.5' and
this is because more of the community parks are being picked up in the
general fund and the o~ly items that are being funded now in MSTD are
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Immokalee and Everglades Parks & Recreation operations. She stated
that in the expanded services, there is a request for an assistant
parks coordinator and summer program leaders as well as a vehicle and
communication equipment.
In answer to Commissioner Goodnight, Mr. O'Donnell stated that
anything that the County would maintain as a park recreation area is
what these funds would be used for.
Commissioner Hasse questioned where the assistant park coordinator
will be working, to which Mr. O'Donnell stated that he will be working
in the Immokalee Community Park, adding that there will be staffing of
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two individuals: a community park coordinator and an assistant com-
munity park coordinator. He stated that they will do light main-
tenance, take registration, provide security, answer general questions
and m~ke sure that the parks are in good shape.
Youth Guidance Grant
Guidance Grant which has been terminated.
Public Services Administrator O'Donnell stated that it was a three
year grant that the County was advised that they were not eligible to
apply for again.
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Recreation Grant money which addresses tht-, $172,900 land and conser-
vation fund which is going to be transferrud to the construction of
the East Naples Community Park and $50,000 is Florida Boating
Improvement program money which is money that is received through the
boat registration funds. She stated that this money is currently
being held in abeyance until there is a sufficient balance to build a
boat ramp at Bluebill at Vanderbilt Beach.
Social services Services for Seniors
Budget Analyst Pike stated that Page C-3l represents a 39.8%
increase in grant funds and this allows for an increase in services to
the citizens of Collier County. She stated that there has been a
phase-in this year of a Case Supervisor I position and a Clerk III
position:
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Social Services Director Skinner stated that during the past year,
the labor market was tight and the contractors that are providing home
health care services through the home health care agencies in town
could not keep personnel to serve the County clients, therefore, the
contracts had to be,. renegotiated and the prices increased. She stated
that she expects to serve 400 clients next year and the service and
salary has increased this year. She noted that the BCC supports this
grant at 10% on one grant and 30' on the other grant, which is overall
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Library Grants
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Budget Analyst Pike stated that PagE. C-33 represents the Library
grants noting that in the expanded service request, Collier County
Library qualifies for two grants in the next fiscal year. She stated
that one grant is for $5,000 which requires a $1,800 match from the
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County. She noted that t6is is the only change in the budget and the
funds are being budgeted for data processing equipment and equipment
for proc~,ssing books.
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Budget Analyst Pike stated that Page C-35 is the Golden Gate
Community Center budget which has no significant change in the service
provided at the Community Center. She noted that the millage rate has
decreased from .39 mills to .28 mills due to some capital improvements
during the current fiscal year that have been completed and funds, are
therefore, not necessary for next year.
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Budget Analyst Gansel stated that Page C-45 is the Isle of Capri
Fire District Budget which is a total volunteer fire district. She
stated that the budget of $52,000 is an increase of 11', adding that
the major expense is that they are creating a reserve for a new pumper
and that is now at $30,000. She noted that at the time that they need
a new pumper they will have a substantial down payment and very little
to borrow. She noted that the millage rate is going down 24".
Ochopee Fire Control District
Budget Analyst Pike stated that Page C-46 represents the Ochopee
Fire Control District budget, adding thðt ~nere is a revision to this
budget and the reason is that Western Gateway Emergency Ambulance has
asked that it be changed from a volunteer service to a paid service.
She stated that it was originally presented a~ a special assessment
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fund and they were told that they could not do this and it was decided
that it would be presented as an expanded request as part of the
OChopee Fire Control District. She noted that with regards to the
Ocho~ee' Fire Control budget, there Is a lO' increase which is tò
addrêss' the current service increase of $16,100 for overtime to
satisfy FLSA requirements. She noted that there is an expanded
request for Ochopee only of $14,900 which is for a Secretary I posi-
tion. She stated that che expanded request of $128,200 is for Western
Gateway Ambulance Service.
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Ochopee Fire Control Advisory Boðr<Land explained that the Board
tentatively adopted a 2 mill increase above and beyond what was
submitted in the budget for the Western Gateway proposal. He stated
A that the Advisory Board recommended a mill increase provided that the
County come up with additional funds equivalent to the one mill
increase. He noted that this equates to about $64,000. He noted
that the original proposal was to fund foùr full time EMT's, an ambu-
lance and some equipment. He indicated that based on discussions with
the County Manager, the Board of County Commissioners should be
cautious about using County funds for an operation that is only going
to serve the OChopee Fire Control District ~:~a.
Commissioner Goodnight stated that l8 ~non~hs ago when Western
Gateway came before the Board it was because ther~ was between 45
minutes and one hour for response time by the EMS, adding that the
Board of County Commissioners agreed to fl.lnd them so that they would
do the volunteer work. She stated that what was happening is if 8~
ambulance had to go to Everglades, there was an ambulance being pulled
from Golden Gate to sit at S.R. 951 and U.S. 41 to cover Golden Gate
and Marco Island because the àmbulance in Marco was going to
Everglades. She stated that the whole system was being closed down as
far as response time. She reported that after all the calls have been
tallied by Western Gateway, it t:!S been determined: that almost 50% of
the calls that they are responding to are not from residents of the
Eveçglades area. She indicated that they are residents from allover
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the State of Florida that are having accidents on U.S. 41 or Alligator
Alley and that is the reason that the Ochopee Fire Control District
Advisory Board feels that the County should pay one mill and the
taxing district pay for the other mill. She stated that she would
recommend that the extra mill be taken out of the money that the
. Federal Government pays the County in lieu-of-taxes.
In answer to Commissioner Pistor, Mrs. Eva Weeks of Western
Gateway stated that the ambulance service does bill but they can only
charge for a first aid call which is $15.00, adding that they normally
package up the person for the helicopter ~L the ground unit, and then
they are transported. She stated that ~y being a volunteer system it
is difficult to keep up with the book work and also to keep up with
the collections.
Assistant County Attorney W~igel stated that this proposal is to
provide similar service as EMS is already providing county-wide,
adding that in this particular area the response time is very slow and
there is not a unit that is close to the area. He noted that the way
Western Gateway wanted to handle this matter created legal problems as
he felt that there would be double taxation involved. He noted that
he feels that the way to handle this matter would be within the
general fund area for EMS. He noted that this may require Western
Gateway to enhance thei~ credentials to be consistent with the EMS
service.
Commissioner Hasse questioned why the County ambulances do not
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handle this area and why outside service is needed? Mr. O'Donnell
stated that the County units do respond but the closest one is Marco,
Island and if they have their own unit, it helps t~e County out and is
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a quicker response time.
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EMS Director Greenfield stated that if a complète system is to be
provided for the area, it will cost between $170,000 to $200,000 a
year for personnel and'equipment for an ALS unit. He indicated that a
BLS unit can operate for less money. He stated that what is being
considered is 6 government employees, their benefit package and the
equipment and supplies that it is going to take to keep them
operating. He stated that there is an OChopee Fire Control rescue
unit that is responding to every call 8]80, adding that the problem is
not first response, it is the level of service ðnd transport capabili-,
ties and the best that he "can do under ideal weatht:!r conditions during
the day is about 18 to 25 minutes by air and 3S to 40 minutes by
ground.
Mrs. Weeks stated that $84,600 is for the four EMT' s, $l, 600 ~f.!I.
for uniforms, and $42,000 is for a new ambulance. She stated that
they spent about $2,000 on the old ambulance for a new motor which
could possibly last another year so she would propose that they buy
the ambulðnce themselves from the profits that they receive at their
seafood festival.
Commissioner Hasse stated that this County is supposed to provide
service for the entire County and he does not feel that Eyerglades
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.h~uld have to pay for their own ambulance service.
Commissioner Goodnight stated that this proposal is strictly to
help improve their services and they are willing to pay for it, but if
the County wants to do this, it is up to the County. She stated that
the people of this district are willing to help pay for it and under
those circumstances the County should help them if possible.
Public Services Administrator O'Donnell stated that he sees two
options if the Board wants to support this proposal: one would be to
have them under the Ochopee Fire Control District and become County
employees and the other option would be to contract with Western
Gateway as non-county employees.
Commissioner Glass stated that he would recommend that this be
brought back at the wrap-up after staff can come up with the 'answers
and the proper mechan~sm to handle thiA proposal. He indicated that
this is something that needs to be researched.
Commissioner Saunders stated that it appears that the Board would
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can be used to do this.
Commissioner Glass stated that staff could come back wlth"all'
alternatives using the total $128',000: the $84,600; or a cont'r'ác't <,'
basis.
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the entire amount should be funded because if the ambulance should
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money at that time and it may not be avai18ble then.
Vince Doerr, Chief, Ochopee Fire Control District, stated that
they are covering half the County and he would like to see sòmething
progress and not go bacKwards. He indicdted that there is a definite
need for ambulance ~ervice in the area and he would be willing to work
with EMS on this matter as well as any of the staff.
Budget Director Za1ka stated that this will then be addressed at
the wrap-up session after there has been research done on the matter.
She noted that the date of the wrap-up s~b1ion will have to change as
there will not be enough time on Friday, Aligust 21,1987, to handle
all the remaining issues.
Collier county Fire MSTD
Budget Analyst Gansel stated that Page C-48 represents all the
areas that do not have fire districts, adding that they are assessed
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one mill. She stated that the budget has gone up 17.7% and is a
reflection of the increased millage rate and the interest that is
being earned.
Bmerqency Medical service~
Budget Analyst Pike stated that Page E-l8 is EMS in the enterprise
and internal section, adding that there is a l5.9% increase which is
due to reclassifications of personnel which costs approximately $54,000
annually and also a purchase of a Type II Van at a cost of $33,000 and
refurbishing and new chassis for two vehicles at a cost of $3l,000
each. she stated that there has also been a phase-in of a training
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officer position and there are two expanded service requests. She
stated that there is a request of $116,lOO for personnel and opera-
tions for the EMS substation a~d this will be a mid year phase-in.
EMS Director Greenfield stated that the phase-in is part of the
growth manaoement objective for a station in the area of Pine Ridge
and Airport Road. He noted that there are monies allocated, in the
gro~th mariage~ent that would allow him to purchase land in the area
and build a building.
Budget Analyst Pike stated that there is a 4% increase in ambu-'
lance fees proposed to help fund the improved service.
Public Services Administrator O'Donnp1l stated that the acquisi-
tion cost of a new ambulance is budgetr~d .!.n the CIE of the growth
'management plan.
EMS Grant Money
Budget Analyst Pike stated that Page F-6 is the EMS grant mónéy
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Medical Trust Fund and the grant for the current year was $45,000 and
it has been used to upgrade EMS training programs. She noted that the
grant that will be received in the next fiscal year wil~þay frir
acquiring an ambulance.
Commissioner pistor stated that the grant money is not in this
budget, to which Public Services Administrator O'Do~~ell stated'tnat
that money is in a trust fund.
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will be put in the trust fund for the upcoming fiscal year which
he has not made application for yet. He stated that he will be coming
back to the' Board in the next few weeks for a resolution to approve')"
that particular budget.
BUdget' Dltector" Zalka stated that' she would recommend that 1 t :bê
included in the budget as long as there is an estimate.
Animal Control Neuterinq Proqram Trust Fund
Budget Analyst Pike stated that this budget is on Page F-7 which
shows a 24% increase, adding that higher revenues are being antici-
pated and therefore, the reserves are beio~ increased.
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Budget Analyst Gansel statèd that this trust fund on Page F~Swàs
establlshedto accept donations and contributions for a fund to be
used in a summer youth program for Youth Guidance and currently for
next: year:s budget $6, lOO is going to'be budgeted for operating"arta
$7,000 is in reserve. She stated that it has not been deêídeëf how' i-,
these funds will be used. She indicated that anticipated revenues of
$13,100 includes the carry forward and any contributions that'rllight be
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money that has been budgeted specifically next year is $5,000 'that
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There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned by
Order of the Chair - Time: 3:l5 P.M.
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