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CAC Minutes 05/13/2004 R May 13,2004 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, May 13,2004 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 1 :30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Ron Pennington David Roellig James Snediker Tony Pires Bedford Biles Graham Ginsberg John Sorey III William Kroeschell John Arceri (Excused) ALSO PRESENT: Maria Bernal, Tourism Dr. John Staiger, City of Naples Ron Hovell, Utility Engineering Dept. Shane Cox, Utilities Heidi Ashton, Assistant County Attorney 1 NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA THURSDAY, MAY 13, 2004 1 :30 p.m. I. CALL TO ORDER II. ROLL CALL III. CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA IV. PUBLIC COMMENTS V. APPROVAL OF CAC MINUTES A. Approval of minutes of April 8, 2004 VI. NEW BUSINESS A. Authorized Uses of Tourist Development Tax Funds B. Wiggins Pass Feasibility Study / Status ofPEM Considerations VII. OLD BUSINESS A. County / City of Naples Beach Renourishment Update 1. Easements 2. Schedule: discussion of progress and potential barriers to meeting a November 2004 construction start date B. Hideaway Beach Renourishment Update 1. Request for Additional Information #2 2. Plans and Specifications Work Order Proposal 3. Schedule: discussion of progress and potential barriers to meeting a November 2004 construction start date VIII. PUBLIC COMMENTS IX. ANNOUNCEMENTS COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE May 13,2004 Page 2 X. COMMITTEE MEMBER DISCUSSION XI. NEXT MEETING DATE/LOCATION A. June 10,2004, BCC Board Room XII. ADJOURNMENT "-..-..--..-..-~"---.,"".-,.~.--. - May 13, 2004 I. Meeting was called to order by Chairman Ron Pennington at 1 :31 PM. II. Roll Call: Roll call was taken with Mr. Arceri excused. A quorum was established. III. Changes & Approval of Agenda: None IV. Public Comments: None V. Approval of CAC Minutes: A. April 8, 2004 - Page 4, bottom Paragraph - word should be "de minimis." - Page 5, last Paragraph - should read "were" included. - Page 7, second Paragraph - omit the word "no" sea turtle nesting. Mr. Sorey moved to approve the April 8, 2004 minutes as amended. Second Mr. Roellig. Carried unanimously 8-0. VI. New Business: A. Authorized Uses of Tourist Development Tax Funds Heidi Ashton - Assistant County Attorney - State Statute Section 125.01.04 Sub-Section 5 - more expansion than what Collier County has in their Ordinance. She noted the Committee should be familiar with the categories, but covered them briefly. "Categories" are: · "A" - Beach Improvement Maintenance · "B" - Advertising & Promotion - Ordinance is written to promote and advertise County Tourism with the State of Florida nationally and internationally. Encourages Tourism with emphasis on off season visitors to Collier County. · "c" - County Owned Museums and Museums owned and operated for not-for- profit corporations and open to the Public. · "Acquire, construct, extend etc." - one or more fishing piers which are publicly owned and operated. · Current distribution - Category "A" - 50% of 2% & 100% of 1 %. Category "B" - 23.236% of the 2% tax Category "c" - 26.764% of the 2% tax and then broken down between County and Non-County for Museum categories. The Fishing Piers - up to $200,000 per year. . The percentages were adopted by Ordinance. Questions were asked and recommendations and answers are as such: 2 May 13,2004 · Recommended if funds are going to be used to acquire property that is not beachfront property, they suggest another Attorney Generals opinion. AGO opinions are not binding on the courts. · Public Access to Inland Lakes & Rivers - laws of Florida adopted by Legislature and codified in the statute books, 87-280 added language at the end: including shoreline protection, enhancement clean-up, or restoration of inland lakes and rivers to which there is public access. · The Statute with Public Access applies to Inland Lakes and Rivers. As far as legality under the Statute, it does not require explicitly public access for other applications. · Inland Management and Coastal Beaches - memo referring to Wiggins Pass by Ms. Ashton - attached a copy of Guidelines for Development Inlet Management Plans. Maintenance of the passes was part of the beach management program. There is a relationship between dredging the pass and maintenance of beaches. She felt it was sufficiently qualified for Category "A" funding. · Ms. Ashton stated her task is to advise the Board whether she thinks a funding would comply with the Statute and be legal. There are Policy issues that are flushed out by decision makers. Cannot be inconsistent with State law. · Mr. Pennington mentioned a memo on 2/12/03 from AGO 87-16- regarding Hideaway Beach Erosion Control Line - Included AGO 86-68. Cited public funds could not be used for private purposes. Had recommended denial of request for dunes at Barefoot Beach because it was on private property. Ms. Ashton stated the Erosion Control line sets the boundary between private and public lands. Her opinion was if the Board found a primary purpose for the project, then there could be an ancillary private benefit. · Storm Water Outlets concern - outlets on private property and dumping water onto beaches. Ms. Ashton did not know enough about the scenario to address it. Mr. Pennington: all within the city, being proceeded upon as though it is a private responsibility. (Question City Attorney relative to that, but it would be up to Dr. Steiger if we do that) · Mr. Pires reiterated that if the Board of County Commissioners makes a determination that the expenditure of Public funds has a public benefit it can have an incidental or ancillary private benefit. · Mr. Ginsberg wanted to know how the use of the funds related to promoting tourism. He used Hideaway Beach as an example where there is no public transportation. How can they continue using the funds in that situation? He referred to an attachment from the Attorney General concerning the definition of a beach. It discussed the connection between access and a beach. He stated in the Florida Statutes it discussed public access relating to inland lakes and tried to decipher whether it meant inland lakes and beaches etc. He questioned how Ms. Ashton's office has come to the conclusion that 3 May 13, 2004 the tourists are benefiting from the expenses in that location. Ms. Ashton responded - AGO 87-16 indicates it is a general rule of construction that words of common usage are not specifically defined. (Plain and ordinary meaning) F.S.125.0104(5): when the term "beach" is not specifically defined, it (factual determination) is up to our Legislative and Governing body ofthe County,..... BCC to determine themselves what that definition means. She doesn't know how the Board came to their determination, but her personal opinion is that people come to Collier County because of the beaches. The renourishment is related to tourism. . Mr. Ginsberg's concern was the lack of access to the beach or persons able to stay and enjoy the beach. . Discussion pursued in the promoting and advertising of tourism nationally and internationally along with the Category "c" funding. Mr. Ginsberg asked about particular questions addressed to Ms. Ashton's office. Ms. Ashton would like someone to discuss a voting conflict with her office directly, but if it is a legal question, they should be directed through staff (Maria Bernal or Ron Hovell) and staff will contact our office (County Attorney) with their questions and we will then provide a written memorandum. Mr. Pires would like to have the group as a whole contact the County Attorney's Office. The issues should be brought to the Committee and then ask the Chairman to make inquiries of the staff. A personal question outside the Committee was not a recommended position of accessing answers to the County Attorneys Office. They provide advice to the BCC and different departments and advisory committees. They are not there for the public for persons to call and ask questions. They do not maintain malpractice insurance and would have to hire more attorneys to answer the many questions they may receive. Mr. Ginsberg mentioned the feasibility study on Wiggins Pass with the use of T -Groins and the LDC stating there should be no groins used on any islands. Not having a background, he called the County Attorneys Office for information. Mr. Pennington mentioned if it has to do with the business of CAC it should go through the Committee. Mr. Pennington asked for a clarification ofTDC funds being available for use of buses and boats for transportation to the beaches. 4 May 13, 2004 Ms. Ashton responded it would be appropriate as a beach park facility and before a proposal would be forward she would like to research any Attorney General opinions Mr. Hovell- Utility Engineering Dept. - any beach renourishment projects need permit requirements for additional work. Those permit conditions are eligible for Tourist Tax Funds. Ms. Ashton agreed - they are eligible under beach renourishment. Mr. Ginsberg asked about funding of the turtle monitoring program. TDC funds do not fund the entire program. They have conglomerated the funds into one grant application. (Ms. Ashton left at 2:07 PM) B. Wiggins Pass Feasibility Study/Status of PEM Considerations: Shane Cox - distributed handout and gave a visual presentation on the feasibility study by Humiston & Moore: · Outlined the problem of erosion along the gulf side of the beach as well as the north side of the pass (Barefoot Beach) and possible solutions. · Showed different pictures of what it looked like in 1951 to date. · 1995 - Consultants had a dredging plan and decided it would be beneficial to deepen and widen the channel outside the pass to act as a silt trap. · Solutions by Humiston & Moore - more beach nourishment - adding more sand. But close to channel and not economical. Done every year or more. · Alter dredging plan. · Erosion control structures - t-groins (worked well) · Shore Protection structures - sea wall, rip-rap etc. - Alternative would be realign the channel - dredge and remove sand deposit. · Straightening the channel will improve the inflow and outflow of the tide preventing erosion. · If material is beach compatible can be used in other projects saving costs. · Consultant recommends a slow and phased approach. Modifications of permit. Dredge delta material out of pass. · Need computer modeling. Mr. Pires asked what the public benefit would be. Asked about the sea turtle nests and if the park use isn't adversely affected, as it is the primary purpose to improve the navigability of the channel? Mr. Hovell responded they are trying to prevent further erosion of Barefoot Beach. Showed pictures on the visualizer of the erosion effects. Under the policy, they 5 May 13, 2004 coordinate coastal projects at the request of Parks and Recreation. They wish to stabilize the beach. Marla Ramsey - Director of Parks & Recreation - mentioned the southern tip is the State owned portion they are managing. Mr. Hovell mentioned if they want to pursue structures, they have a Growth Management Plan issue. State does not permit shoreline hardening structures - only erosion control structures. In Engineering there is a difference. Mr. Pires stated if they wanted to do that, the mechanism that gives them the finality and certainty is the development services director. Request for interpretation under the code would be to get the County Attorneys opinion. Mr. Hovell stated at this point Parks & Rec is not interested in pursuing structures. If and when any dredging occurs in the gulf the depth will be restricted. The bay side has not been dredged. Parks & Rec would like to see straightening or dredging out the shoal area and provide a more straight alignment and reevaluate it at a future date. The erosion and dredging patterns were discussed from the past years. Permit modifications would not be needed to reduce the dredging. Wiggins Pass annual monitoring is being done and waiting for the report. Permit modification was discussed. They have a proposal of rough costs for steps to be taken. In 2003 Humiston & Moore proposed a number of steps - next would be preliminary design and permitting. Need to get the permit modified. Mr. Ginsberg asked about the rock outcrop. (8' depth) Can they request a survey of the location of the rock outcrop? Mr. Hovell felt in the past in surveying the area that the rock has been identified. The current permit precludes them from dredging any of the rock. He stated Collier County would not propose blasting out any rock. Mr. Ginsberg stated it would help him in knowing where the rock is in the decision making process. He asked why they aren't taking a Southwest angle to entering the inlet. Also why are they considering dredging to 13 feet again when it should be 8 feet from the mouth into the gulf? The average sand has been moving to the north - not making it across the inlet and is starting to get to the northern side. Mr. Hovell stated it was not recommended by Humiston & Moore to be changed as the alignment of the channel. He talked about the tides and man made dredging. The permit for the dredging describes the existing solid rock layers. Much of the discussion was shown in the presentation. Mr. Ginsberg suggested another approach is to make the channel a straight section going through navigable depths but fill in the existing channel. 6 May 13, 2004 Mr. Pennington didn't think they should redesign it but need more solid data with the modeling. Mr. Ginsberg asked about re-depositing sand along the ocean side. Mr. Pennington mentioned the Florida Statutes 161 state they will deposit on the down drift side of the first dredging. (Could go north.) Mr. Hovell stated this is just a feasibility study and no design before them - just a concept. More information is needed. SPEAKERS John Findley - resident of Lee County and on the Board of the Estuary Conservation Assn. in Collier County - showed pictures (1999) of how the river flows and after heavy rains. Trying to do a natural cut and proceeding to the gulf area where the dredging was. Showed different pictures of the past and what it looks like today. Showed pictures and discussed the mangroves, title shoal and supporting the straightening of the channel. Not getting the incoming tide - was always going out, so not getting the salt water coming in and need the brackish waters for the mangroves. He recommended they support the straightening, and believe it will increase the overall estuary system along with the health and welfare of the system. Showed pictures of mangrove damage and how it is changing the direction into the beach. Stated the Engineers are actually following the way the gulf is maintaining where it is at this time. Not cutting from the gulf side, it is cutting from the backside. Showed where the damage is on the pictures. Funding is part of the issue, he realizes, but to stay on plan they need to look at implementing a plan and have a maintenance plan. Doug Fee - President of North Bay Civic Association - (handout) Important parts of his remarks are as follows: · Wiggins Pass issue and Estuary is vitally important to the area. · Two important things: Preserve lands north and south of the pass. Both held by the State of Florida internal trust. · Florida Statute 253.034 all lands acquired in the trust shall be managed to serve the public interest by protecting and conserving land, air, water and the States natural resources. · Manage with a single purpose in mind. · Barefoot Beach & Wiggins are preserves and decisions should be made that they remain as natural as possible. · Designation of the Waters at the pass, as well as parts of the Estuary, are outstanding Florida waters and needs to be kept in mind. · Discussed the Statutes and DEP factors and read 2 of them - habitat and navigation and flow of water. 7 May 13, 2004 · North Bay Civic Assn. - concerned the public has not had enough time to see what is in the report and comment on it. Asked if the Parks & Rec Advisory Committee has had a chance to receive and discuss what is in the report. · Barefoot Beach - the southern tip has stabilized with the public being able to enjoy all areas of the beach. This was not the case a year ago. · The study seems to focus on navigation issues. · Dredging to 13 feet has a direct effect on the eroding of the shoreline. The erosion occurred after the major dredge. · Not in support ofT-groins on the north side of Barefoot Beach. The GMP clearly states they are not permitted. · Many questions of dredging the S curve fledge shoal. Further erosion was questioned. Mr. Pennington mentioned he attended the public meeting and noted there were many environmental and water quality concerns. Felt navigation was a minor part ofthe meeting discussions. Mr. Hovell stated the two choices are 1) get a consensus of which option presented to pursue and, 2) go back to December 2003 proposal and make recommendation of an amount "not to exceed." The CAC has put the dredging on the 10 year plan, adopted by the Board, but at this time no project sponsor has requested sponsorship. The inlet management plan will be done every other year. If no action is taken to change the permit, they can dredge to the limits of the permit which cannot be any deeper that the permit allows but can dredge less deep. Can't exceed the 8 feet but could make it a shallower dredge. Mr. Pires asked about the 8 foot depth and the effectiveness ofthe maintenance dredging. Could it have been done by Mother Nature if the emergency dredging would not have been done? Mr. Sorey felt they should ask staff to look at all the issues, have the Advisory Board look at them and have staff come back to the Committee with a proposal at their next meeting. Marla Ramsey stated the reason for their concern is the dredging to 13 feet and seeing many changes to the area. It is affecting Barefoot. With the feasibility study they want to make sure there is enough information before them before dredging. They have to be educated before making a decision. The Parks & Rec Advisory Board will see the study next week. Mr. Sorey moved they request staff consult with the public and Parks & Rec and come back with a proposal at the next meeting. 8 May 13, 2004 Mr. Pennington stated there were approx. 50 people at the public meeting and wondered if there was something else staff feels they need to investigate further before making a recommendation. Mr. Hovell felt there is plenty of opportunity of public input, the advisory Board meeting, today's meeting and can receive additional comments and ask Humiston & Moore to come up with a more detailed conceptual design. Second by Mr. Pires. The 10 year plan was discussed, and leaving it up to Mother Nature and letting the channel take a natural path, along with saving the mangroves being a benefit. Motion carried unanimously 8-0. BREAK - 3:20 PM RECONVENED - 3:30 PM Mr. Hovell continued with the status of the PEM considerations. Humiston & Moore attempted to contact engineering in Europe for feedback. The system was also presented to the State in Tallahassee. Short term there was nothing to address the erosion on Barefoot Beach - it would be experimental. Would need a conceptual plan and not sure where to go with the system at this time. Mr. Pennington found there was no experimental money available and felt unless the Company wanted to do an experiment at their own cost; he did not feel they should pursue it any further. He stated through research from Humiston & Moore it was found the reports were not as conclusive as the representative indicated. Mr. Ginsberg didn't feel the costs were enormous and if they could provide the labor or installation, he would like to see them work with the Company. Ulla Doose from Eco Shore International mentioned she would go back to the company in Denmark and ask them if they would partake in an experimental process. Providing labor would be helpful. Tallahassee recommends she find a government entity help with permitting. She also stated it has worked in Denmark. Additional information is always welcomed, but no further action will be taken at this time. VII. Old Business: A. County/City of Naples Beach Renourishment Update: More information is needed as per handout from DEP. They need to answer all the questions and continue to get questions related to hard bottom. 9 May 13, 2004 The second major area is the sand source for the City of Naples area. If they were to remove the N-5 borrow area from the permit application, many of the questions would go away. Mr. Pennington stated it is his view they should abandon any intent of using the near shore source, which is the finer sand. Plenty of sand is there, but is an additional cost to move it further. Mr. Hovell stated all the cost projections have been based on using the sand from T-l. Mr. Pennington will go before the City Council and request their concurrence we use only the sand from Tom Hill. It will be a bit coarser but would be difficult to distinguish. He continued to discuss the sand SIze. Steve Keene - Coastal Planning & Engineering - explained they were going to use a hopper dredge - sort out the rock, but the borrow areas are different with the silt content. He brought down the N-5 to 5.25%. Tom's Hill is 1 Yz%. Almost all quartz sand. The silt content, sand and hard bottom was discussed. CPE is doing a survey for final design and could reduce the sand quantity and gain the same performance. May not make a big difference in the budget. Mr. Keene felt there was justification of moving north from the limits of Park Shore and then moving south. Need to take precautions if they are to last a minimum of six years and the areas do need width. Dr. Staiger talked about the disruption and negative comments of traffic with the trucking. Mr. Hovell noted appropriate approvals from the City and the County will be needed on the noise, work hours, easements and complete the process of extending the erosion control line. Once the DEP accepts the permit as being complete will then have 90 days to issue the permit. Their average is more like 110 days. If response is done by the end of this month, and is complete, the best case scenario is a permit at the end of September. But on the purchasing side, you should have the permit in hand before signing the Contract. With the timeframe presented and funding and another 30 days needed, it may not be done this winter. Mr. Pennington felt if they get started by mid-December with a 4 month schedule they could make the deadline - being optimistic. Mr. Hovell cautioned everyone concerning the weather and working days that time of year. The TDC and CAC could possibly have a joint meeting 10 May 13, 2004 mid or late August to award the Contracts - implying bids would be in hand. (Mr. Pires left at 4:04 PM) Mr. Keene stated they are asking for a 10 year (State) -20 year (Federal) permit. This is a long term permit and may want to keep the Corp process going and curtail the State process. There is a consulting process that goes on between the two permits. 1. Easements - there has been a 40% response so far and they have run into mailing problems with addresses, returns and if in a Trust there are no addresses. A public meeting was held with approx. 12-15 people in attendance. Presentations were given; it was televised live and is now on channel 12 at various times and is now on at 3:00 AM. Good questions were asked and all the information concerning the project can be seen on the County's web site. www.colliergov.net B. Hideaway Beach Renourishment Update: 1. Request for Additional Information #2 Mr. Hovell gave some of the same information as above. Need additional information. They are questioning the sand source and still have easements issues. State is asking if owners are agreeing with the project. During the Special Taxing District they may get answers. Other information needed in the RAI was discussed briefly. Application will be complete by the end of June and permits by the end of September. Purchasing side - breaking into two separate contracts. Sand placement may be a couple of months behind but being done before April 15,2005 including the groins. First Special Taxing District meeting is May 18th. Interlocal agreement is also being worked on. The sand source and permit applications was discussed. The $50,000 work order amendment was recently approved. 2. Plans and Specifications Work Order Proposal Next step is to get the plans and specifications and construction estimate. That portion of the work will be under $40,000. Permitting fees have already been paid. Mr. Hovell is asking the Committee to look at the portion of the letter on Plans and Specifications and Opinion of Probable Costs for $38,580 on page 49. 11 May 13, 2004 Mr. Snediker moved to approve the Work Order for $38,580. There was much confusion on the amounts and the proposal. Mr. Hovell stated on the 3 page letter from Humiston & Moore dated February 6, 2004 is the Plans and Specification and Opinion of Probable Cost. They estimated $38,580 and he would recommend, since it is time and materials, make it $45,000 as not to come back again. They will need to do a Budget Amendment of$35,000 to cover the $45,000 Work Order. Mr. Snediker's motion dies for lack of a second. Mr. Hovell is only asking for the money that relates to the Plans and Specifications. The rest is work that will be done in conjunction with the construction and probably worked into the cost sharing agreement and Special Taxing District with paying percentages. Mr. Sorey moved to approve a time and materials Work Order, not to exceed $45,000 and a Budget Amendment for Plans and Specifications and Opinion of Probable Costs. Second by Mr. Roellig. Due to more confusion and for clarification the motion referred to page 48. Motion carried 5 yes - 2 no. Mr. Pennington and Mr. Ginsberg voting "No." Mr. Ginsberg voted no because of the ineligibility to get TDC funds. 3. Schedule: discussion of progress and potential barriers to meeting a November 2004 construction start date. Already discussed above. VIII. Public Comments: None IX. Announcements: · Mr. Hovell asked the Committee to consider a date in mid-August that would be convenient with everyone. · They will meet in June, no meeting in July. · A Joint meeting ofCAC and TDC in August was discussed. TDC meets the 23rd of August. That will be proposed to TDC. · Mr. Arceri will not be in attendance at the June 10th meeting. X. Committee Member Discussion: 12 May 13,2004 · Mr. Sorey - trying to understand the categories - wanted to convey issues ongoing concerning Naples Bay. It is a key tourism destination and need to consider funding. Received $2,090,000 to continue studying the needs for improving the quality of the Bay. · Mr. Ginsberg - wanted to discuss the e-mail he sent about the feasibility reports that come out. He wondered if the information could be received concerning the LDC. · Mr. Hovell responded it was in the report as he responded to Mr. Ginsberg earlier. The entire text was not there, but the reference was there. · Mr. Ginsberg stated there was no indication of what the legality of the structures and is a consideration. · Mr. Hovell and Mr. Ginsberg had a dialogue concerning the page numbers and references of the report. · Mr. Ginsberg was dissatisfied with the reference ofthe proposal and legality of structures at that location. (Mr. Sorey left at 4:51 PM) · Mr. Pennington was asked to meet with the County Manager on the support of the CAC at their meetings with Mr. Hovell. The County Manager also expressed his concerns. CAC is primary a technical organization and liaison with staff is primary with Utilities and Mr. Hovell. Mr. Mudd agreed they do not come under the Tourism section but do receive administration support from them. He was satisfied with the conversation with Mr. Mudd and their concerns were resolved. Their primary liaison is Mr. Hovell. The 10-year plan with the BCC was resolved concerning the Vanderbilt Beach Parking Garage. Was concluded, with the Resolution of Hideaway Beach there was $2M available to be applied to the parking garage. Cost of garage has increased. Difference of what will be available and the required costs will be made up from the Beach Park facilities budget. Hideaway Beach concerns - agreement reached was that the T -groins will be funded by Tourist Tax Funds and the renourishment funded totally by Hideaway Beach residents. The monitoring costs will be cost shared between TDC funds and Hideaway up to a maximum of $50,000 a year of TDC funds. Storm Water Outfall City of Naples - number of storm water outlets extend across the beach. Private ones dump out from sea wall onto the beach causing 13 May 13,2004 erosion. Met with Dr. Staiger, Steve Keene, the City and himself and asked for a recommendation of what structures should take care of the issue. Doctor's Pass - scheduled for dredging next year. In process of getting permitting. Mr. Biles and Mr. Kroeschell were thanked for their services on the Committee as their terms have expired with one of the replacements being Mr. Murray Hendel from the City of Naples and not sure of the other. ***** There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 5 :03 PM. COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Chairman Ron Pennington 14 Patricia L. 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