Agenda 03/13/2018 Item # 2C03/13/2018
COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 2.C
Item Summary: February 27, 2018 - BCC Meeting Minutes
Meeting Date: 03/13/2018
Prepared by:
Title: Executive Secretary to County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: MaryJo Brock
03/06/2018 1:36 PM
Submitted by:
Title: County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: Leo E. Ochs
03/06/2018 1:36 PM
Approved By:
Review:
County Manager's Office MaryJo Brock County Manager Review Completed 03/06/2018 1:36 PM
Board of County Commissioners MaryJo Brock Meeting Pending 03/13/2018 9:00 AM
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, February 27, 2018
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the
Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special
districts as have been created according to law and having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in REGULAR SESSION
in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida,
with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Andrew Solis
William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Donna Fiala
Burt L. Saunders
Penny Taylor
ALSO PRESENT:
Leo Ochs, County Manager
Nick Casalanguida, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal Kinzel, Director of Finance & Accounting
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you, Mr. Manager.
Welcome everyone to the County Commission meeting this
morning. We'll begin with the invocation and the Pledge with
Reverend Craig Goodrich from the First Presbyterian Church of
Naples.
Item #1A
INVOCATION BY REVEREND CRAIG GOODRICH, FIRST
PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH OF NAPLES
REVEREND GOODRICH: Yeah, good morning. And this is a
prayer adapted from a prayer by Wallace Fridy, Methodist minister.
Let us be silent for a moment.
This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in
it. Oh, God, for another day, for another morning, for another hour, for
another minute, for another chance to live and to serve, we are truly
grateful.
We ask this day that you would free us from all fear of the future,
from all anxiety about tomorrow, from all bitterness toward anyone,
from all cowardice in face of danger, from all laziness in the face of
work, from all failure before opportunity, from all weakness when
your power is at hand, but fill us; fill us with love that knows no barrier
with sympathy that reaches to all.
Fill us with courage that cannot be shaken, with faith strong
enough for the darkness, with strength sufficient for our tasks, with
loyalty to your kingdom's goals, fill us with wisdom to meet life's
complexity and with power to lift us to you. Be with us for another day
and use us as you will.
Bless the Commissioners today and all who speak and present.
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May all be done in the spirit of the common good and for the
betterment of our county.
This we ask in your holy name, amen.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you for that wonderful invocation.
Commissioner Fiala, could you lead us in the pledge.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I will.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
Item #2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY'S REGULAR, CONSENT AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS AMENDED (EX PARTE
DISCLOSURE PROVIDED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR
CONSENT AGENDA.) – APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED
W/CHANGES
MR. OCHS: Good morning, Commissioners.
These are the proposed agenda changes for the Board of County
Commissioners meeting of February 27, 2018.
The first proposed change is to withdraw Item 6A. That was your
public petition request from this morning. That's withdrawn at the
petitioner's request.
The next proposed change is to continue Item 11C to the next
meeting which is March 13th, 2018. That's at the staff's request.
That's an item having to do with the expansion of the Collier County
Water/Sewer District service area boundaries.
The next proposed change is to withdraw Item 16F1. This will be
brought back when we make some additional tweaks to this agreement.
That's at the staff's request.
And the final change proposed this morning is to continue Item
16F3 to the March 13, 2018, BCC meeting. That's a business location
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inducement grant. Again, some loose ends that need to be tied up
there. That's made at Commissioner Taylor's request.
Those are all the changes that I have this morning, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Good morning, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Good morning. Changes?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I have no changes to the
agenda, and on the consent and summary, no declarations.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Thank you very much. First of
all --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Excuse me. May I make a -- I
missed one.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: On 16A10, I did have meetings
and correspondence. I'm sorry. Forgive me. Forgive me.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's all right.
Back to me. Okay. First of all, on the consent and summary
agendas, 17A I just had a report, that's all. Nothing else to declare on
that.
Secondly, I have no changes except that I wanted to pull for the
next meeting -- I want to continue Item No. 11A. I've been trying to
study, kind of like you did the last meeting. You know, you try and try
to study in these five days, and you just can't get there, and so I've
asked a few other people to help me with it. But I'll tell you, with only
a few days I just could not get there. So I was wondering if we could
continue it till the next meeting.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Is now an -- I'm sorry. Go
ahead. She was first.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You know, and I respect your
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concern to really review this, Commissioner Fiala, but I think whether
we move on it or not, I think it needs to be discussed. This
Community Housing Plan actually was before us last year in a bigger
fashion, and now we're kind of zeroing in. So I think it's probably wise
to go forward with this right now.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Mr. Chair?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And vote on it as well as?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, we'll see what happens at the
end. It could be -- I think this will be self-explanatory for you. But
we'll see.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I just wanted to say that it's
going to affect our whole community for years to come, and this is a
huge subject. We have to be careful to make sure it's what we want.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And my -- I agree with what
Commissioner Fiala has said, but I really think that we should go
through the process, vote on what -- if we can vote on and not on what
we don't need to at this time, but I -- because it is enormous. I mean, I
think I read that three times. And I'm fairly knowledgable in what's
going on with our Housing Department but, woo, there's a lot of
information.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, it's changed. Yeah, it is.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So -- and I have some points I'd
like to make on it, I want to have for discussion. So I think if we do
hear the item and then --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And not vote?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, vote or not vote. That
will be up to the Board at this stage. It is advertised as such. There are
people here that I believe that want to speak, and that -- and then we
can make decisions accordingly once that item comes up rather than
just continue it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. But I just have to say, I didn't
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even bring material with me because I thought everybody would agree
with me.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Certainly, you can make a motion to
continue it at the time that we get to it. I would like to hear it also just
to hear what staff has to say in the presentation.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I would agree as well.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And maybe Mike could get you
the material so that you have it, and certainly our office -- you know,
there'll be materials online that we can get.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We'll show you what button to
hit.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any other disclosures or --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No. I have no changes or
corrections to the agenda.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And as I said, just the one disclosure
on 17A.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No changes to the agenda. I
appreciate the willingness of staff to continue a couple of items that I
was looking at. But also, the only discussion I had with -- on 16A --
oh, no, I'm sorry. I beg your pardon. It would be the 9A and 9B were
just very cursory standard discussions with staff on these two items.
Nothing where I had a special meeting or folks came to me to talk to
me about it.
MR. OCHS: You'll make those declarations when those items are
ready to be heard, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, that's correct.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Right. This is just the consent.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I beg your pardon then. There's
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nothing changing on consent at all. And nothing to declare on the
summary agenda or the consent agenda. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I have no changes and no
disclosures as well.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you. I have no disclosures and no
changes as well.
MR. OCHS: County Attorney, sir --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: County Attorney?
MR. OCHS: -- anything?
MR. KLATZKOW: Nothing, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Madam Clerk, anything?
MS. KINZEL: No. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Make a motion --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Do we have a motion?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Motion to approve as stated.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Me.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: One opposed. Motion carries.
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Item #3D1
RECOGNIZING DANIELLE MORDAUNT, SUPERVISOR-FOOD
PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY AND HUMAN SERVICES, PUBLIC
SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS THE JANUARY 2018 EMPLOYEE
OF THE MONTH – RECOGNIZED
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, that takes us to Item 3D1 on this
morning's agenda. This is a recommendation to recognize Danielle
Mordaunt, the supervisor of the food programs in our Community and
Human Services Division in your Public Services Department being
honored as your January 2018 Employee of the Month.
Danielle, if you'd please step forward.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Stand right in the middle there.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: There you go.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Not in front of Commissioner
Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Nobody can block me out.
MR. OCHS: And if you'd just stand right there for a minute, I'm
going to tell the audience a little more about you.
Commissioners, as you know, Danielle is our nutrition supervisor,
supervising four senior meal sites and the Senior Home Delivery Meal
program in the county.
She's responsible for staffing and monitoring the health and safety
regulations for USDA and the Older Americans Act guidelines. And,
recently, the Seniors Nutrition program completed two audits, both of
which passed with flying colors, and Danielle, as normal, went above
and beyond the call in preparing all the client files for that single audit,
with very short notice, I might add.
So Danielle interacts with the community on a regular basis, is
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always looking for community resources to assist our seniors. She's
energetic, extremely caring, and very deserving of this award.
Commissioners, it's my honor to present Danielle Mordaunt as
your Employee of the Month for January 2018.
Congratulations, Danielle.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you for what you do for our
seniors.
Item #4
PROCLAMATIONS – ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT ALL
PROCLAMATIONS
Item #4A
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING FEBRUARY 18-24, 2018 AS
ENGINEERS WEEK IN COLLIER COUNTY, IN RECOGNITION
OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY ENGINEERS TO THE
HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS OF COLLIER
COUNTY. ACCEPTED BY MEMBERS OF THE CALUSA
CHAPTER OF THE FLORIDA ENGINEERING SOCIETY –
ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, we move on to Item 4,
proclamations. 4A is a proclamation designating February 18 through
24th, 2018, as Engineers Week in Collier County in recognition of the
contributions made by engineers to the high quality of life for the
residents of Collier County. To be accepted this morning by members
of the Calusa Chapter of the Florida Engineering Society: Summer
Foster, the president, Marlene Messam; Sally Goldman; Norm
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Trebilcock; and Ralph Merastro (phonetic).
If you'd please step forward.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You talked to them before,
Lavah, right? They did it very well.
MS. FORESTER: Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. TREBILCOCK: Good morning. My name is Norman
Trebilcock, and I'm a past president of the Florida Engineering
Society, Calusa Chapter, which includes Collier County and four other
counties in Southwest Florida.
We are part of a 3,000-person membership organization
statewide. We'd like to thank you, the Board of County
Commissioners, staff, and our County Manager, for this proclamation.
Engineering is often called the invisible or stealth profession.
The stereotypical engineer is quiet and reserved; however, everything
in our civilized society is linked to engineering. This very building we
are in is, and is even named after a past president of the Florida
Engineering Society, Calusa Chapter, W. Harmon Turner. The
unincorporated area of Copeland is named after Barron Collier's chief
engineer, David Graham Copeland, who helped plan the original
Tamiami Trail over 90 years ago.
Today our society is so much more complicated, and we have
many diverse disciplines of engineering. There's one thing all of us
engineers have in common, and it's not pocket protectors, no. We use
math and science to solve real-world problems. A core value of our
engineers is that we shall hold paramount the health, safety, and
welfare of the public. So no matter who we're working for, the public
is ultimately our client, which helps -- keeps us on the right side of
things.
So thanks again. We're honored to receive this proclamation and
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to be in service to you. Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING MARCH 8, 2018 AS
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY AND ZONTA ROSE DAY IN
COLLIER COUNTY. ACCEPTED BY DR. JANICE GREEN, DR.
SHARON HENRY-WOODBY, LESLIE CHEEK, MARY ELLEN
CASH, STACY LEE-WILLIAMS, ALEXIS PETERSON, AND
NANETTE TABAK – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4B is a proclamation designating March 8th,
2018, as International Women's and Zonta Rose Day in Collier
County. To be accepted by Dr. Janice Green, Dr. Sharon Henry
Woodby, Leslie Cheek, Mary Ellen Cash, Stacy Lee-Williams, Alexis
Peterson, and Nanette Tabak. Good morning.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: They asked that I read the proclamation.
Whereas, the Zonta Club of Naples has been an active component
of Zonta International in Collier County for 45 years, since 1973;
Whereas, Zonta International envisions a world in which women's
rights are recognized as human rights and where every women can
achieve her full potential. In such a world, women have access to all
resources and are represented in decision-making positions on an equal
basis with men; and,
Whereas, in such a world no woman lives in fear of violence; and,
Whereas, Zonta International strives to promote and protect the
human rights of all women and girls with local international service
projects and initiatives such as awarding grants to the United Nation's
agencies that seek to change personal and/or political knowledge,
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attitudes, and behaviors contributing to violence against women and
human trafficking.
Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, hereby recognizes the
Zonta Club of Naples for its contributions to numerous local women's
initiatives and that March 8th, 2018, be designated as International
Women's Day and Zonta Rose Day in Collier County.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, Leslie, thank you so much.
DR. HENRY-WOODBY: Good morning. I would like to thank
this commission. I'm Dr. Sharon Henry-Woodby, a member of the
Zonta Club of Naples. And on behalf of our club, we so sincerely
appreciate this recognition.
Zonta is an international organization, as was mentioned in the
proclamation. It's a global organization of professional women
dedicated to empowering women worldwide through service and
advocacy, especially advocacy against violence. Our vision at Zonta is
to have a world in which women's rights are recognized as human
rights, as was mentioned in that proclamation, I just wanted to
emphasize that, and that every woman is able to achieve her full
potential.
In such a world, we think that women will have access to all
resources and are represented in decision-making positions on an equal
basis with men. And, finally, no woman, no matter where she lives in
this world, will live in fear.
Thank you so much again. We really do appreciate your support.
Item #4C
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING AND HONORING THE
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NAPLES CHILDREN AND EDUCATION FOUNDATION FOR ITS
UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF COLLIER COUNTY'S
UNDERPRIVILEGED AND AT-RISK CHILDREN. ACCEPTED
BY MARIA JIMENEZ-LARA, CEO, NAPLES CHILDREN AND
EDUCATION FOUNDATION
MR. OCHS: Item 4C is a proclamation recognizing and honoring
the Naples Children and Education Foundation for its unwavering
support of Collier County's underprivileged and at-risk children. To be
accepted by Maria Jiminez-Lara, CEO of the Naples Children and
Education Foundation.
Good morning.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Center yourselves a little bit, please.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Do you want to speak?
MS. JIMINEZ-LARA: Good morning. Thank you, Collier
County Commissioners, for this incredible recognition.
The Naples Children Education Foundation is a founding
organization of the Naples Winter Wine Festival, and we are
committed to improving the emotional, educational, and health
outcomes of underprivileged and at-risk children in our community.
For the last 18 years, through our annual grants program and
strategic initiatives, we've impacted 40 of the most effective and
incredible nonprofits in our community, and we've provided more than
200 children -- 200,000 children in our community essential services
that they need to excel. We've reinvested over $176 million into this
community for the last 18 years.
Our unique approach, which emphasizes collaboration between
organizations and bridges public and private resources, has become our
blueprint on how to transform our community one issue at a time.
I would be remiss if I didn't say that we would welcome the
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opportunity to further partner with the Collier County Government to
continue improving the lives of the children that we all very much care
about. On behalf of our board of directors, our staff, and the children
we believe in, thank you for this honor.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I don't know if I may say, just for
a moment, I cannot tell you, to express in words, the impact that this
organization has made on the lives of children, especially
underprivileged children in this community. More importantly, they're
not slouching on it. They just don't give and turn their back. They
demand a participation by each group that they get themselves
involved with. So there is accountability, there's a strong sense of
acute business sense brought to this giving, and the generosity in what
you've been able to do year after year after year is short of amazing.
Thank you very much.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair -- excuse me.
Mr. Chairman, if I may get a motion to approve today's
proclamations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion and a second. All in favor, say
aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
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Item #5A
PRESENTATION BY THE EVERGLADES SOCIETY FOR
HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO DISCUSS A RESOLUTION IN
SUPPORT OF A “HISTORICAL VILLAGE” PROJECT IN
EVERGLADES CITY – PRESENTED; MOTION TO SUPPORT
AND BRING BACK THE “HISTORICAL VILLAGE” PROJECT
IN EVERGLADES CITY FOR DISCUSSION – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: That moves us to presentations.
Item 5A this morning is a presentation by the Everglades Society
for Historic Preservation to discuss a resolution in support of a
historical village project in Everglades City. This item was brought
forward at Commissioner Fiala's request.
Good morning.
MS. REPKO: Good morning. Can you hear me?
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
MS. REPKO: Good morning, Manager, Commissioners. We are
the Everglades Society --
MR. OCHS: I'm sorry. Your name for the record.
MS. REPKO: I'm Marya Repko --
MR. OCHS: Good morning. Thank you.
MS. REPKO: -- and I'm president of the Everglades Society for
Historic Preservation.
And I'm going to talk a little bit about what's been happening.
You probably all know that Barron Gift Collier was, as the
commissioners said, after his death, our father and a great builder and a
great friend.
Collier came down here in the 1920s, and he bought a million
acres or more of land. He'd made his money in advertising. He
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wanted -- well, he wanted to finish the Tamiami Trail because, of
course, there were no roads when Collier was here in the '20s. And the
counties -- it was Lee County at the time -- said, oh, well, we're not
going to spend money in the swamp.
So Collier went to Tallahassee with Tommie Barfield of Marco
Island and persuaded the legislature to create a new county with all of
his land in it, then he found the money to build the Tamiami Trail.
Of course, first he also had to build a city, because he selected the
little village of Everglades, which had a few families, including the
Storter family, farming along the banks of the river, but he thought,
well, this river at least will allow me to get supplies up to where I'm
building the trail.
And so he got David Graham Copeland, a naval engineer who'd
retired, to come and design a little city and also to supervise the
building of the trail.
And -- I don't have a pointer. I don't know -- they built a
courthouse because it was the county seat. It was the first county seat
of Collier County. They also built the trail. And you can see, there's
the courthouse on the circle in the center. I don't know if many people
have been to Everglades City. It looks pretty much like it did in this
photo. We've lost a few buildings but not many.
That was 90 years ago. Let me go back for a second and just
remind you that on April 26th we're going to have the 90th celebration
of the opening of the Tamiami Trail, and we will be coming back with
a resolution to declare that a special day, but that's a different matter.
Okay. Ninety years after the Tamiami Trail was open, we were
hit by a disaster. Hurricane Irma struck on September 10th, and the
water flooded, oh, gosh, I don't know, at least three or four feet. And
what happened was strange -- because as I walked around the city a
couple of days after the hurricane I noticed that some places didn't
have an awful lot of water and some were just sodden, and everybody
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who lived in low-lying buildings -- and that's a lot of us because they're
the old original Collier buildings -- lost everything.
And you can see in the picture -- there. You can see bedding,
clothes. Lots of people lost things like photo albums and all that kind
of stuff that you just don't think about until you've got three feet of
yucky mud in your house. The little building up here on the top
right-hand corner is a very strange example, because we figure that it
floated. It came up off its foundations, which were pillars, and shifted
a couple of feet, and then as the water went down, it dropped. And
when we'd go in it, there's hardly any mud or anything. And all the
furniture is just sitting there. It just looks as if it did before it got
moved a couple of feet.
The owner of the building very generously said, I will donate the
building to the Everglades Society for Historic Preservation, and that
put the idea into our heads, oh, well, we better have a historical village
to put this building into. She doesn't want it on her property. She
wants it moved. And so we've been working on that off and on since
about two weeks after the hurricane.
As far as who we are, we started in 2004 to save the city hall
building. Now, that was the courthouse. And in 1959, there was a
referendum, and the people of Collier County decided to move the
county seat here in East Naples.
In 1960 we had Hurricane Donna, and the water then was actually
at least eight feet, and people were hiding upstairs on the top floor of
city hall, the second floor. I wasn't there, so I can't say if it was worse
than Wilma (sic). Possibly it was.
A lot of the buildings, though, did survive, like our little museum,
which survived 1960 and also has survived subsequent hurricanes.
In 2005 when we had Wilma, it wasn't so bad, but the wind was
bad, and the city hall building was saved by FEMA, who came in and
completely redid the foundations and the roof and restored it
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beautifully.
In Irma, this year, we did have damage on the ground floor of the
city hall building, so the water did come up the steps and into the first
floor. That's all been repaired, and I must say thanks to Mayor Howie
Grim who's here someplace, on the next item on the agenda, who
jumped in. He was -- he was actually elected mayor pro tem about a
week before the hurricane struck.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Four days.
MS. REPKO: Four days, okay.
And, of course, all the things he wanted to do were put aside
because he had to take care of this emergency that we had. And it was
thanks also to Commissioner McDonald (sic) who came down and was
there all the time. We also had visits from other commissioners and
from our Senator -- Mario Diaz-Balart, our representative, and lots of
other people.
Anyway, so we're still stuck with some people still not in their
houses after Irma waiting for funding and waiting to decide what they
can do. Some people are going to put their old houses up on stilts,
which they have to do, and they'll feel safer doing it.
We're pressing on with our project to have a historical village for
the houses and the buildings that the owners do not want to repair and
do not want to put up on stilts, and rather than demolish them, we've
said, well, give us a chance; maybe we can save them and put them
into the little village.
Now we're looking for some land for a site. We think we've found
one. It's zoned commercial, which is fine, and it's in a historic area.
We need to find the money to pay the owners of the land, of course.
Once we have the land and we can move some of these little buildings
in, we'll strip them back so they're empty shells and then try to find
tenants to operate, say, a coffee shop or a book shop or an information
shop or a gallery and arts and crafts store or boutique. And, obviously,
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we'll also have information about the town and how old it is and how
unique it is in Southwest Florida.
The reason why I'm here today is, obviously, we're going to need
an awful lot of money and, of course, if the county has any, we're not
going to turn it down, but what we really would like is for the county
to endorse what we're doing with the resolution.
And it's here -- thank you. The resolution is here. It's a draft that
I did in January 9th and then couldn't present. And we don't commit
the county to do anything except say this is a great idea.
I was hoping -- and I don't know -- the Manager suggested that
the Commission consider it and perhaps we present it at a future board
meeting.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
MS. REPKO: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: A motion and a second. All in favor, say
aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
MS. REPKO: Any questions?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, but I'd like to comment on
something, if I might.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Come up to the mic.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I'm sorry. I was just -- a friend
of mine who was, believe it or not, in my graduating class from high
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school and lives in Cleveland, Ohio, he and his church group, United
Church of Christ in Cleveland, came down here to work in Everglades
City, and they spent 10 days. You probably met them, right, Marya?
MS. REPKO: Possibly, yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And they spent 10 days. Seven in the
morning they would take the bus out at this church that they were
staying at, and at 6 o'clock at night they would come back. All day
long they were working, and some of them were old codgers, you
know, and -- but they worked all day. And they said when they left,
although they were working this entire time, they said you could
hardly see the difference they made; there's so much devastation still
remaining in Everglades City.
And so I think that it's noble of you to be here concerned about
the history when all that stuff is still going on, and that gives them
something good to think about as far as the history goes. And I just
wanted to comment that if anybody thinks the work's done, it's not
done.
MS. REPKO: No, it definitely isn't. But thank you. And I must
say, we had some wonderful volunteers from all over who came down
and, you know, almost camped out, in fact, and went around and
helped people, individuals, and whatever -- did whatever they could
do. It was -- it was very heartening.
Have I run out of time yet? We -- at the beginning, right after the
storm, there were -- people came down every day and set up food near
what used to be the fire station, which was completely flooded, and
we'd serve hot dogs and hamburgers and potato salad and everything.
And they came from all different -- there was a group of musicians
from St. Pete that came down because they said, oh, well, you know,
we want to do something to help. It was amazing.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you, thank you. And I just want to
make sure that our County Attorney, did he have a question or -- he
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was making a face.
MR. KLATZKOW: No. At the end of the day, the City of
Everglades is really responsible for historic designations, but this is
more of a support issue, so it's fine.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. All right. I just wanted to make
sure there wasn't an issue.
And, Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The other thing is, County
Manager, I'd like to encourage our museum down there that takes care
of the history of the area to work in concert with this if it goes forward,
or at least to come back and talk to what they're doing. I know it's not
buildings. I know what museums are not, but it's certainly history.
And I think if this goes forward, there should be a partnership, not
a competition, and that's where I'd like to, you know, square away right
now. Because the history is history, and it's open for everyone. But
you have a specialty, I have a sense, would be the village would be the
structures, and that's so far away from the history of it, although it
represents the history.
MS. REPKO: And, of course, your museum down there was a
historic -- still is a historic building, because it was the laundry, and it
was the women's club who made sure that it wasn't destroyed.
Let me say, the people -- the volunteers in the Friends of the
Museum in Everglades City and in the Everglades Society for Historic
Preservation are actually the same people. We just wear different hats
depending on what we're doing, so we don't fight.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thanks for all you do. Thank you.
Oh, Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Pardon me. I'm glad
Commissioner Taylor mentioned the museum.
I go down to Everglades City quite a bit. I always see
Commissioner McDaniel down there; a great place for getting good
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seafood and sitting over the water.
I was there this past Saturday, and Everglades City is definitely
open for business. Every restaurant was just jampacked. The city has
really been cleaned up tremendously. That image that was shown on
the screen of all the debris there, I had that same picture on my cell
phone. It was pretty much a disaster on September 11th after the
storm.
I'm wondering if -- and I'll just plant the seed, that this type of
historic village really is kind of a tourism-related facility. And people
-- if this is set up right and you have the shops there, tourists from all
over Florida will come to -- they come to Everglades City anyway, but
I think it would be a real attraction.
I'm wondering if staff could just take a look at the potential of
there being some tourist-related grant to assist in this effort, because I
do believe this would be a tourism-related project; just something
small that would help defray some of the cost.
MR. OCHS: We'll do the research.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And as you -- as I think we're
bringing this back, it would be very important to have some kind of
weigh-in by FEMA of what can be insured and what cannot be
insured.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am. That will be part of the review.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
Item #5B
PRESENTATION OF PROCEEDS FROM THE NAPLES IS
ROCKIN’ CONCERT HELD ON DECEMBER 9, 2017 TO ASSIST
WITH HURRICANE IRMA RELIEF EFFORTS. PRESENTED BY
EILEEN CONNOLLY-KEESLER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF COLLIER COUNTY AND
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ACCEPTED BY MAYOR HOWIE GRIMM OF EVERGLADES
CITY AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM HABITAT FOR
HUMANITY – PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Item 5B is a presentation of the proceeds from the
Naples is Rockin' Concert held on December 9, 2017, to assist with
Hurricane Irma relief efforts. To be presented this morning by Irene
Connolly-Keesler, executive director of the Community Foundation of
Collier County, and accepted by Mayor Howie Grimm of Everglades,
and a representative from Habitat for Humanity.
(Applause.)
MS. CONNOLLY-KEESLER: Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
MR. WERT: Anybody that wants to talk, please do. Mayor,
please. You take the lead, please.
MAYOR GRIMM: My name's Howie Grimm. And I want to
thank everybody for all the -- all the help we received from the county.
It's been overwhelming, and from the -- and I was just talking
yesterday. I think we had over 8,600 volunteers in Everglades City
alone since the storm. It's been unbelievable.
But like Marya was saying, you know when you drive through
town, we're open for business, and it really looks good, but there's
probably -- and I haven't taken a count. I'm going to do that today
because I'm going to put that in a grant, too. There's probably still, like,
30 homes in Everglades City; they look fine from the outside, but
when you walk up in them, you know, there just hadn't been any work
done.
Insurance has been a big problem. You know, I don't have to tell
you what-all's going on. But stuff like this helps so much that the
people give because we can get it a lot quicker than when the
government does. I know there's a lot of money coming, but a lot of
people can't wait two years until it gets here. So this really helps a lot.
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And, you know, I hope that people don't forget us and just
continue to give. And we -- Penny and I had talked about giving it to
Habitat for Humanity, and Nick's already working down there, and
they've just hired some new people and stuff. They're doing a great job,
and any more resources that we can get to him, we can get to the
people and get them back in their homes and stuff, would be fantastic.
But I just want to thank all you-all for everything that you've
done, too. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: And thank you for everything that you've
done. Four days before the hurricane.
MAYOR GRIMM: It's been a ride.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: That's jumping in with both feet, right.
MAYOR GRIMM: Especially -- I mean, I was a city council
member, but still it was -- but, you know, it's good. It's all good. We
had some great people around me. Dottie -- as all you-all know Dottie,
you know, has been fantastic help, and everybody else that works
through the city is; it's been them more than me. I've just kind of took
the helm and tell whatever to do, and they take off and run with it. But
thank you.
MS. LEFKOW: Good morning, Commissioners. Lisa Lefkow,
Habitat for Humanity CEO.
I just want to echo what Mayor Grimm has said. Habitat for
Humanity has been down in Everglades City since September 11th and
working regularly, attending the weekly interagency meetings.
I'm so grateful for this and the vote of confidence that this
represents. Habitat for Humanity is focused on elevating homes. So
this money will be earmarked and targeted to help bring those homes
up above the floodplain both so that they're insurable and safe in the
next storm.
So, again, I'm grateful for the vote of confidence, for the support.
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Mayor, I'm reminded that for years my parents, my mom in particular,
told me there are only two kinds of experiences, good and learning.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
MR. WERT: For the record, Jack Wert, your tourism director.
I just wanted to say thank you to all of the commissioners for
your support. When we first brought this idea -- and, Commissioner
Taylor, you really were kind of championing this idea that there were
still a lot of unmet needs in our community after Hurricane Irma. And
we felt a little celebration would be kind of wonderful just to get
people together and really enjoy each other's company, number one;
raise some money, we hoped, to help some of those unmet needs in the
community.
It was a -- it was a rainy, cold night. We had 2,500 people show
up. And the tickets sales --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: What did they all say? What did
they all say? We need more of these.
MR. WERT: Oh, yeah. We definitely heard that more of this
kind of activity would be good.
So they brought great ticket sale numbers, and we were able to
also get some really good community support from some sponsorships.
You approved some tourist dollars to kind of be the catalyst for that,
and it really worked.
Arthrex stepped up and really became our title sponsor. So it was
a wonderful night. Great entertainment and so forth. But I think the
real wonderful thing that came out of this is these proceeds that we
were able to realize from it are really going to the right place.
As I walked around a couple weeks ago in Everglades City, it was
pretty obvious that place definitely needs help. And Mayor Grimm
and I talked a little bit, and I was sensing, this is really the unmet need
that we might be looking for.
And so the Community Foundation and United Way chose this
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way of putting these proceeds to work in our community.
So, Commissioners, thank you. Mayor, thank you so much for all
of your help with Habitat, and we are going to make a difference down
there.
Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #5C
PRESENTATION BY MARY BETH GEIER FROM THE
RICHARD M. SCHULZE FAMILY FOUNDATION AND EILEEN
CONNOLLY-KEESLER FROM THE COMMUNITY
FOUNDATION OF COLLIER COUNTY, PROVIDING A HIGH-
LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY
ASSESSMENT – PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Item 5C is a presentation by Mary Beth Geier from
the Richard M. Schulze Family Foundation, and Eileen
Connolly-Keesler, Community Foundation of Collier County, to
provide a high-level overview of the Collier County Community
Assessment.
MS. GEIER: Good morning, Commissioners. My name's Mary
Beth Geier, and I'm the Florida director for the Richard M. Schulze
Family Foundation, and Eileen Connolly-Keesler and I, who is the
president of the Community Foundation, are hoping to present to you
an overview of a study that we just did titled the Collier County
Community Assessment.
To give you a little bit of background on the community
assessment, you should know that several years ago the Community
Foundation approached different nonprofit organizations in the
community about funding a study to look at all of the needs and assets
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of the community. At that time the different nonprofits and
organizations involved weren't necessarily interested; however, about a
year ago our foundation was approached with the idea, and we decided
to move forward with it.
The purpose of the community assessment was to look at all the
different needs that existed throughout Collier County as well as look
at the assets so that we as a foundation could figure our strategies for
funding going forward but, more importantly, to find out the
underlying look of Collier County.
The long-term goal was to bring different agencies, nonprofits,
and community partners together.
What we did was gather a group of community partners to serve
as our advisory committee. The community partners covered all
different areas. In business we had representatives from Arthrex, the
Greater Naples Chamber of Commerce, as well as Southwest Florida
Workforce. In terms of education representation, we were fortunate
enough to have Collier County public schools participate, Florida
Southwestern College, Champions for Learning.
In terms of special populations and social services, we included
the Immokalee Community Redevelopment Agency, Habitat for
Humanity, and the Naples Senior Center. Healthcare representation
included the neighborhood health clinic, NCH, and Healthcare
Network of Southwest Florida.
We also had county and city representation. We were fortunate
enough to have the Collier County Manager's Office participate on our
advisory committee, as well as Collier County EMS and Sheriff's
Office, the City of Naples, and Marco Island PD.
Other community groups included, not completely, the
Community Foundation, NCEF, United Way, and the Conservancy of
Southwest Florida.
Clearly, we had great representation from the community as part
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of the advisory committee. More importantly, we had great
representation from the community itself in participating in the survey
and in our focus groups.
We had 3,705 valid participants complete our survey; 40 percent
of them completed the survey online. The additional 60 percent
completed the survey through different in-person activities. We held a
library day so that all of the community could participate. We invited
members of the Rotary club to participate in the survey. We had a day
here at the Collier County Courthouse so that county employees could
participate. Throughout the community, various nonprofit groups
presented the survey.
We also had 22 focus groups across the county. Six were
conducted by experts, which was the company called Q&Q Research
Consultants who pulled all of this together. The other surveys were
done by trained volunteers.
The different focus groups included areas concerning health care,
environmental, infrastructure, housing, the Haitian population, the
Immokalee population, teachers and first responders, families of
developmentally disabled people, single mothers, seniors, seasonal
folks, young professionals, the Seminole tribe, and then we also did the
focus groups within nine different ZIP codes.
As you can see, our survey was well represented throughout the
community. By the age category, we had 1 percent of the people
taking the survey who were under the age of 18; 11 percent of the
participants were between ages 19 and 30; 16 percent of the
participants were 31 to 40 years ago; 19 percent of the participants
were 41 to 50 years old; 19 percent of the participants were 51 to 60
years old; and 34 percent of the participants were 61 years old.
We had 34 percent of the people completing the survey
represented by the male population and 66 percent represented by the
female population.
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Likewise, the groups -- the ethnic groups completing the survey
were varied: 69 percent of the folks who completed the survey were
Caucasian, 22 percent were Hispanic, 5 percent were African
American, 1 percent were Native American, and 3 percent represented
themselves as others.
The survey was also judged based on -- or not judged -- evaluated
and looked at based on people's education level. We had, through the
survey, 3 percent of the participants had an eighth grade or less
education level; 4 percent self-reported as some high school; 13
percent self-reported as completed high school or had their GED; 17
percent self-reported that they had some college; 35 percent of the
participants self-reported as college graduates; 4 percent represented as
vocational training; and 24 percent of the survey participants
self-reported as having an advanced degree.
In terms of income level, again, we were across the board: 3
percent of our survey participants made less than $5,000; 6 percent of
our survey participants had an income of 5,000 to $15,000; 10 percent
of the survey participants had an income level between 15,000 and
25,000; 16 percent had an income level between 25,000 and 50,000; 15
percent had an income level between 50,000 and 75,000; 16 percent
had an income level of 75,000 to 100,000; 34 percent of the survey
participants income level of 100,000 or more.
The point of all of that is to demonstrate that through the survey
we had fair and equal distribution among the community. We
participated with all the different communities so everywhere from
Immokalee to Port Royal, Everglades City to North Naples. It was our
goal to really get into the communities and find out how they felt and
what they knew about what was going on, again, pertaining to needs
and assets.
And now I'm going to turn it over to Eileen so she can give you
more of the detail overview.
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MS. CONNOLLY-KEESLER: Eileen Connolly-Keesler. Good
morning.
So I'm going to just talk to you a little bit about what we found on
the survey, and this is really just a very tiny snapshot, because we don't
have much time. But the one thing I do want to mention is Q&Q, who
we hired out of Miami, said it was the first time they did a study where
the leaders in the community and the people in the community pretty
much felt the same.
So usually you have leaders feeling one thing and people in the
community a whole different story going on, but actually it was really
unique here. So that was great for us to say, okay, so we know the
things we have to work on and where we're going to head we believe
will be, you know, really supported by the community.
What we know in a growing population in Collier County is we're
outpacing the state. We have a growth of about 12.9 percent. Florida
is about 9.2 percent. Age-wise in 65 and up, demographics are
expected to project -- right now we're at about 29 to 30 percent. By
2040 we're estimated to be 35 percent. So we know the population's
going to continue to age here. People are moving into this community
at a much faster rate.
And growth in the Hispanic, Latino, and black populations, right
now it's about a third of the community. They're estimating that will
be half of the community by 2040.
We know there's an economic gap. We, I think, ranked second in
the state in this economic ramp where 1 percent of our population here
in Collier County has an annual income over $4 million, and the rest,
when you average it out, comes to 57,258. So there is huge disparity
here, I mean, huge -- from the wealthy to the not wealthy in this
community. That is highly unusual. They don't see so that in many
studies. Again, I think there's only two counties in the state of Florida
that have this.
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Minimum living wage for people, family of four, you actually
have to make $66,000 here to live, and that means that is paying the
very basic: Housing, food, you know, rent, whatever it is. There are no
-- there's no fluff here. There's no extra money to go to movies and
everything else when you deal with Collier County. So 66,000 is what
we need.
The median household right now is 59,783. Thirty-four percent of
these families are below the ALICE threshold, and ALICE, which the
United Way has worked very closely on putting this study together.
It's Asset Limited Income Constraint Employed. So it's your working
poor population. I'm sure Steve would elaborate on that, but bottom
line.
Employment was interesting. People in the community really felt
that there were jobs, and there are. I mean, you drive around; you see
"help wanted" signs all over, but they're very low-income jobs that
we're faced with. So as you look at this projected growth, the things
that we need to look at really is how you get those wages up. And one
of the things that came up several times throughout this study is more
training, more technical, more vocational training that needs to happen
in this county.
Housing. Forty percent -- you're going to be talking about
housing. Forty percent of Collier County residents qualify for housing
as cost-burden, meaning there's lack of affordable housing on the
market either for sale or for rent. Resistance in many developments to
have that mixed working poor, lower income and higher in the same
type of neighbors, and many serve as public service workers that really
are forced to go across the county lines here, which -- you might go,
well, so they have to drive.
Well, that's true, but you're paying them here, and they're going
there to spend their money. That means they're eating in the
restaurants, they're buying gas, they're buying groceries in another
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county, and they're just coming in here to work, you know, eight hours
a day and then they leave. So it's something I think the county wants
to continue to look at, and I know you're having discussions later today
on this.
As far as growth, Collier County's expected to grow at about 17.8
percent through 2020. That is a big number. The public is often
unaware of the impact of county development and growth plans. What
they're saying to us is they need more education. We need to get more
information out in the hands of people in this community to understand
what is the growth plan here? What is it going to entail? What is it
going to include?
And interesting enough, there was support for the sales tax. We
did put a question or two on there because we knew there's been
discussions about that here at the commissioner level, and about 53
percent were very likely or likely to vote for it. There was 23 percent,
I believe, that said -- or 27 maybe that said they were unlikely or didn't
know what they were going to do.
So we found that encouraging, because as you hear about a lot of
things in the study, it kind of matches up with some of the things
you're talking about on that sales tax. Whether or not that works, I
don't know, but it is housing, mental health you're going to hear here
frequently as we go through the study.
So environment. People are asking -- the experts and people were
talking about focusing on the beach access; parking -- concerns about
parking and threatening the beaches; stormwater drainage, which we
just went through a hurricane. We knew that was going to be a high
priority; loss of habitat on land and wetlands due to development.
Certainly concerns there; more education and awareness on water
quality, conservation, and threats to the environment.
And, really, they felt like there was no political debate about sea
level rise, but since this I've heard there is actually a study going on
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here on sea level rise. But I think, again, the community's not aware of
it, I was not aware of it.
So from the residents' perspective, I think the residents feel the
environment really is -- about 68 percent were saying they kind of feel
it is protected during growth, that people are really taking that into
account when they're doing developments.
Overall, community residents are satisfied with air quality, water
quality, and green spaces. Pesticides and fertilizer, pollution and runoff
certainly was a concern. Copeland and Immokalee were less satisfied
with all of these: Air, water, and green spaces.
Health care. This was interesting. Really, the bottom line on
health care, mental health care and addiction treatments availability,
they feel there is not enough. The other concern, I think, for people
who can't afford the concierge doctors, there was very much concern
about what kind of health care they're getting here in Collier County,
and I think it's something that's going to have to be looked at
somewhere down the line. Definitely feeling like there was some
discrimination at times on whether people who have money or don't
have money are on health care.
Education. Residents were mainly concerned with insufficient
pre-K slots, affordable pre-K options and, again, lack of vocational
options for our students who are graduating high school. And, overall,
the residents are very satisfied with the quality of the K-12 and teacher
quality. So that was a big pat on the back for the school district here in
Collier County.
Infrastructure. Experts predict traffic in the western part of the
county will be above average until the services in the east match that
growth, and residents are concerned about lack of public transportation
as well as safety for pedestrians and bike/walking. Very much a
concern that they can't move around this community and feel safe
when they're on a bike or walking. They also felt it was very dark;
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dark at night here, which we're like, well, it is dark at night, so -- but
they did feel like a little bit more streetlights might be worth it.
Overall, residents are satisfied with the quality of public space
and how -- public spaces management as well as access and
availability to recreational activity. So that was great.
So next steps. We're all to inform the community. We have
several meetings coming up, nonprofits, government, anybody who
wants to attend on March 7th, one at 9 and one at 1 p.m. at Artis
Naples. We're going to dive deeper into this. I mean, we're giving you
a very tiny little overview of what this study of hundreds of pages is
going to look like.
And for the community at large, we have three times on the 13th:
9 a.m., 2 p.m., and 5 p.m. at the Naples Daily News. Anyone is
welcome to attend those and hear more about what this study showed.
And, you know, as we all move forward as funders, we want to know
what people think the needs are, so this was great, and I really
appreciate the Schulze Foundation stepping up and putting all the work
into this study for us.
So any questions? Good.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: If I may?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, fine.
MR. OCHS: Commissioner? Excuse me. Ma'am, I'm sorry.
Could we get you to speak into your microphone.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, sir. I first have to get up close
to the desk. It's hard with these short legs.
Thank you so much for coming into my office and talking with
me. And she had asked, well, you know, where can they go in East
Naples? Because they realize that, you know, there's so much
low-income here. But there's -- one of the problems we have in East
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Naples that other areas do not have, we don't have agencies that reach
out into the community.
We have all of the not-for-profit agencies here, but they are
concerned with their own agency and the people that come in there, but
even then Youth Haven wasn't involved in this, or at least I didn't see
them, and St. Matt's House, who has a plethora of kids over there. You
see them walking home every night to St. Matthew's House from the
schools. And the public health unit, it's always filled with people.
And it's in a good location. Everybody can get here via the buses and
everything. And also the Salvation Army. And then the latchkey kid
program. I mean, these are all things that we have. And those are
different ways to reach out, because we don't have the other people
involved at getting into the general population.
And I was hoping that maybe we could somehow look into that as
this -- as this moves forward. You've done a great job, really great job.
But I wanted to mention also that little things are missed because
there is no agency to reach out into, like, the schools and so forth. For
instance, we were -- we, East Naples, Kiwanis Club received $10,000
from the Naples Lakes Women's Club -- Ladies of Naples Lakes, it's
called, and they said specifically for the children of -- underprivileged
children in East Naples.
And so we worked only with two schools, because that's all we
could do at the time. And one of them was Parkside Elementary
located right in Naples Manor. And Parkside Elementary has 99
percent minority, and 1 percent -- less than 1 percent, actually, white.
And so they have a lot of needs in there. But I never thought of
these needs when they gave us the money. And I reached out to
Parkside as well as Shadowlawn, and Parkside said, you know, as
much as we'd love to give the kids Easter -- I mean Christmas presents
and so forth, what they need right now are blankets and pillows. They
had lost all of those in the storm. I would have never known that, and I
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didn't read this anyplace. But you have to get into all of those things
because there's not much news about how to help with the poverty
stricken in our area.
So I would love to work with you again, and maybe we could
even take a ride around, and, you know, do whatever we can to help. I
don't know how they appear on your survey. I'd love to see.
The last time they gave a survey -- if you remember, the very first
one was pretty thick and everything -- and they mentioned all parts of
the county except East Naples in there because there was no way to
reach into the community. So I'm hoping that we do a better job this
time.
MS. GEIER: And if I can respond real quickly, Commissioner
Fiala, the organizations that you mentioned, Salvation Army and so
forth, those were part of our outreach into the community. They
weren't listed as part of our advisory group.
We tried to keep the advisory group pretty confined, and we
didn't, very honestly, want to include too many nonprofits because we
didn't want bias in the study. But in our outreach, we did use
organizations like Salvation Army, Habitat for Humanity, the different
schools, different churches in East Naples to get the survey to the
people. So that was not mentioned in here because, as Eileen said, this
is the overview.
More specifically, though, to your point, we do have data per ZIP
code. So in terms of East Naples, we can drive down the data to say
this is how the people in East Naples felt about all those different areas
throughout the survey. So we can get specific but, again, we had a
limited amount of time for today.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you. I can't wait to see in.
MS. CONNOLLY-KEESLER: Yeah. And I think the
organizations you mentioned, you fund, we fund, United Way funds.
We are all involved in those organizations in East Naples. And as far
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as the school district, United Way and the Community Foundation,
when we had the Collier Comes Together Fund, one of the first grants
out was $34,000 to help with the kids who were displaced and
homeless in that school district. So we've got our -- you know, we're
looking at it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It's harder to get --
MS. CONNOLLY-KEESLER: I can assure you they're not being
ignored.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- to them without an organization
representing them. I mean, they have not-for-profits representing, but
the multitude of children don't have anybody representing them.
MS. CONNOLLY-KEESLER: Right.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. I also wanted to echo
what Commissioner Fiala had to say. I wanted to thank the Schulze
Foundation.
And you know you spoke earlier about not everybody knowing
what was going on with sea level rise. Not everybody knew that the
Schulze Foundation was actually doing a survey. You-all caught up to
me over in Immokalee, and that was one of my questions I wanted to
ask because, as Commissioner Fiala has pointed out, there's a lot of
diversity within our community. And what -- what are our plans for
utilizing this data in the specific areas of our community? Everglades
City was mentioned as well, and I know there was a reach out there to
our community in Everglades.
So I just wanted to hear from you what your next steps were with
regard to implementation, who's going to best benefit by receiving this
information and having this survey done.
MS. GEIER: First, our first goal is to create awareness within the
community, so we want as many people as possible to know the details
of the survey.
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Then what we'll be doing as a foundation, along with the
Community Foundation, are bringing together different areas
addressing the domains we discussed. So environment, different social
services, education, and so forth. So we'll be inviting our combined
nonprofit partners to look at this study in depth, perhaps form teams of
people to really study its impact in the different communities, and then
hopefully begin working to develop strategies to eliminate the gaps
that might currently exist so that we can kind of bring things into a
more even keel, and then we would, obviously, look at funding of
some of those initiatives as they go forward.
But it's not either of our jobs to determine what happens next.
That's why we want to get the community involvement to say, here's
your information. We're not being proprietory about the information.
It's available to everyone to use to develop their own strategies to best
fit the organization and community moving forward.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I can't thank you enough
for doing --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Here, here.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There again, your
acknowledgment of the lack of the propriety with regard to this
information. And if I might suggest to staff and my colleagues that
this information be disseminated to our planning staff -- planning and
zoning staff. We've got a -- we've got a model that's being developed
right now for population estimation and housing and land-use
modeling component within it, and this information -- and four
land-use plans east of 951 that are up for review.
So having this information and express knowledge of wants and
not wants as the community goes, as these land-use plans are coming
forward, I think this information is vital, because that's the GMP
amendment. The GMP is the beginning of our -- how we're going to
do what we're going to do.
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So having this information to our staff and be implemented into
those policy decisions as we move forward on those land-use plans is
imperative. So thank you again. Just thank you.
MS. CONNOLLY-KEESLER: And one reason we wanted to do
this study is there's never been benchmarks set for the community, and
all the money that flows in and out of this community, what difference
is this really making?
So this is going to give us some benchmarks now. In five years --
I hate to even say this because we just got finished with it. But in five
years we're going to do it again. We're going to do the study again in
the exact same manner and see if we've been able to move the needle
on any of these issues that now we know face us.
So that's the point of why you have this kind of data. It's not
going on a shelf to dust up for five years.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We like measurables and
milestones. That's what we're all about.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Just one fast comment, and I'll make
it fast.
I just -- I never even heard of the Schulze Foundation, and they
come into town, and it's kind of like they're wearing white hats and
riding on a horse. You came in for no other purpose than to just help
people, and I'm just -- I'm still shaking my head with admiration. That
was just wonderful.
MS. GEIER: Glad to be a part of it. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you for all you've done. And
maybe there's a way to have the study on the county website or
something so that people could access it in the community. Thank
you.
Item #5D
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PRESENTATION BY LAURA BURNS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE UNITED ARTS COUNCIL OF COLLIER COUNTY,
PRESENTING THE RESULTS OF A STUDY TITLED: ARTS &
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY-THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF
NONPROFIT ARTS & CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS & THEIR
AUDIENCES – PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Will do. Yes, sir.
Item 5D is a presentation by Laura Burns, executive director of
the United Arts Council of Collier County, presenting the results of a
study titled Arts and Economic Prosperity - The Economic Impact of
nonprofit Arts and Cultural Organizations and their Audiences.
Commissioner Fiala had asked for this item to be presented this
morning.
Good morning.
MS. BURNS: Good morning. Thank you very much. My name
is Laura Burns, and I'm the executive director of the United Arts
Council of Collier County, and thank you to Commissioner Fiala for
getting us on the agenda today.
You may have seen some of the results of this study in the Naples
Daily News and also on our website. And I've been making the rounds
with the Community Redevelopment advisory boards and also
working with individual organizations who participated.
It's important to note that without the support of the Community
Foundation of Collier County we wouldn't be here today, because they
funded this in part, and also the support of the Americans for the Arts
and the Lee Arts Alliance. So we're working in true partnership so that
we can gather this information and make good decision making on
moving forward in the economic development through arts and culture
here in Collier County.
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So with that, I would like to move ahead with some of the results
of this study.
The AEP5 is the fifth economic impact study of spending by
nonprofit arts and cultural organizations and their audiences. It is the
largest and most comprehensive of its kind ever conducted; 341 study
regions in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. So small rural to large
urban populations ranging from 1,540 to four million people.
Even our smallest communities, the arts have a measurable
impact in economics. Only nonprofits and municipal arts and cultural
organizations are included. No for-profit entertainment businesses
such as Broadway, motion pictures industry, and no individual artists
were included, even though all are vital to our cultural ecology, but
they are all beyond the scope of this study.
Why just nonprofits, you might ask? We chose just nonprofits for
the study because government and philanthropic dollars are typically
directed to these organizations. It's appropriate to ask, beyond the
quality of life, what is the ROI of this investment?
The Americans for the Arts have used a conservative and reliable
methodology. We've only included data from organizations that
actually provided it. We made no local estimates for nonrespondents.
So out of the 182 organizations that were eligible to participate, we had
45 organizations participate in the survey.
So what that says to me is, United Arts Council needs to do a
better job at going out and communicating with our community, and it
also says that we are underreporting the impact that arts and culture
have in Collier County.
And as this was the first study that we've participated in, it's
expected that we would be underreported, and we look forward to
working with even more organizations moving forward with the next
study.
We do a major oversampling of audience interviews and conduct
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them at a diverse range of events. So we use performing arts events,
museums, free open-air festivals, and in Collier County, specifically,
748 audience members were surveyed here. Nationally, 212,691
surveys were collected, and all of the audience data was collected in
2016.
We study how a dollar ripples through our local economy, and
we've used Georgia Tech economists to customize an input-output
model for all 341 study regions. This enables economists to track how
many times a dollar is re-spent within our local economy and, thus, to
measure economic impact generated by each round of spending.
For example, when a theater company purchases paint from the
local hardware store, that has a measurable economic effect; however,
the economic benefits typically don't end there because the hardware
store uses some of its income to pay the clerk that sold the paint as
well as to pay its utility bills and other regular operating expenses. So
each round of spending is measured, and its impact is measured.
The input-output models that were used have been the basis of
two Nobel prizes in economics, and the AEP method was vetted by the
White House Council of Economic Advisors and also bank account
economists, among others. So it's very legitimate data.
The American public appreciates this value that the arts bring into
our communities. And while 87 percent believe they are important to
the quality of life, an impressive 82 percent also believe the arts are
important to local businesses and the economy.
Our total economic activity is composed of two figures:
Spending by nonprofit arts and cultural organizations and the
event-related spending by their audiences. Nonprofit arts and cultural
organizations spend an estimated $166.3 billion nationally. This is a
myth buster for a lot of people. Sure, we appreciate the beauty of the
arts, but most folks don't realize that these are businesses. We're
employing people locally, we're purchasing goods and services within
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our communities, we're members of the Chamber of Commerce and
involved in marketing and appropriation of our regions. Arts
organizations are really good business citizens.
What's the impact of that spending here in Collier County? Our
arts and cultural industry generated over $100.7 million in total
economic activity. That's a lot of money here. And when you
consider how underreported we are, how much more impact there
actually is happening.
Sixty-three million were by nonprofit arts and cultural
organizations and an additional 44.7 million in event-related spending
by their audiences. This, in turn, supports 2,923 full-time equivalent
jobs here and generates 57.4 million in household income to local
residents, and this delivers $10.8 million in local and state government
revenue.
This study shows that the arts mean business, and when we
support arts, we not only enhance our quality of life, but we also invest
in Collier County's economic well-being.
Arts organizations employ more than just artists, curators, and
musicians. They also pay plumbers, accountants, printers, and other
occupations spanning a dozen or more other industries. Remember
that our economic analysis measures jobs supported throughout the
community and not just at arts organizations.
And because arts organizations are strongly rooted in our
communities, these jobs remain necessarily local, and they can't be
shipped overseas. So even in our global economy, arts remain local
employers.
Local, state, and government receives over 10 million in revenue
every year as a result of the economic activity of nonprofit arts
organizations and their audiences. Currently, there are threats against
nonprofits because of the mistaken assumption that they only take and
they don't give back. This study shows that beyond their public
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benefit, there is also a significant economic return as a result of their
investment. Arts funding to nonprofits is not a one-way street.
Like all industries, spending by arts organizations has a
measurable economic impact. Unlike most industries, the arts generate
a bounty of event-related spending for local businesses. Dollars that
land in the pockets of local business establishments, like the parking
garages, restaurants, the retail stores, hotels, and even local babysitters.
We did 748 Collier County audience surveys, and this is what the
average spend looks like. There we go. Average folks spent $19.02 on
meals and snacks; $2.54 on transportation; $4.27 on souvenirs and
gifts; $3.06 on lodging. It's important to note that the lodging is only
associated with attendance of those arts and cultural events, and so it's
one night. It doesn't go into the several other nights they might have
stayed participating in pickleball or something along those lines; $3.00
for clothing and accessory; and miscellaneous things, 41 cents. So
miscellaneous things could lead to someone having a dairy farm and
they needed to pay a milker while they were out of town.
In addition to this spending information, interviewed attendees
also provided their ZIP code so we could determine whether they live
in the county in which the arts events take place or outside the county.
So in the county we'd consider local, and outside the county we would
consider nonlocal.
Nationally, 34 percent of arts attendees come from outside the
county that they live in, and that's up from 32 percent in 2010, so
there's a continuing trend of growth and opportunity specifically for
Collier County. The spending in Collier County is at an even higher
rate, and it's at nearly 40 percent.
Nonlocal attendees spend an average of $40.05 per person per
event, and that does not include the cost of admission. We asked
nonlocal attendees, "Why are you here?" 61.7 percent said the arts
event is the primary purpose for my trip.
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We asked local attendees about what they would have done if the
arts event they had attended was not taking place, and 41 percent said
they would have traveled to a different community to attend a similar
arts event. That's big news. It's not anything we didn't know already,
but this is quantifiable evidence that we can use to leverage other
investments.
Of the 34 percent of arts attendees who are nonresidents,
nationally 14 percent reported an overnight lodging expense. They
average $169.06 per person. So when you can get those heads in the
beds, that's how we keep our cash registers ringing here.
This data shows the power of the arts to draw visitors to our
community, and these people spend money there. It also shows that
the arts keep locals and their discretionary spending in their own
community. That's why we say a vibrant arts community is good for
local business.
It's important to note, again, that for this analysis only one night
of lodging expenses is counted toward the audience expenditure
regardless of how many nights these cultural tourists actually stayed in
the community, and this conservative approach ensures that the
audience spending figures are not inflated by nonarts-related spending.
Our community leaders are not the only ones who appreciate the
quality and life -- quality of life and value and economic value of the
arts. The American public values this as well. Eighty-seven percent
believe they're important to the quality of life, and an impressive 82
percent also believe the arts are important to our local business
economy.
And with that, we couldn't have done our study without the 45
participating organizations and also the Community Foundation of
Collier County, Alliance for the Arts, the Southwest Florida
Community Foundation, and the dedicated staff of the United Arts
Council. We wouldn't have been able to do that, and our volunteers
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who collected all this information.
The other thing to note is that the AEP5 has national partner
organizations, and they're part of a public and private sector that steer
billions of dollars in public and private sector arts funding and creates
arts-friendly policies. They're our partners because they also believe
that the arts are a fundamental component of a healthy community, and
they approve of the methodology of these findings. So their logos are
included on all of our information to be disseminated. This boosts the
credibility of our data.
It's also important to know that the US Conference of Mayors and
National League of Cities are our partners in these studies and that the
International City County Management Association is a partner and
also that the conference board and committee, engaging corporate
philanthropy, are our partners. Private funders and the Council on
Foundations and the independent sector are also partners in this study.
So our tourism and development additional partnerships would be
Destinations International and the National Alliance of Community
Economic Development Association as our partners.
So with that, I would like to open the floor if you have any
questions, and thank you very much for the opportunity to be here
today.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
And if there's any questions, just -- we just need to be mindful for
our court reporter, that she needs a break at 10:30.
Any questions?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you very much.
MS. BURNS: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, I notice we have several residents
from the Isles of Capri in the audience this morning. They have a
particular interest in Item 11F. I wonder if we might advance that item
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on the agenda at this time.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Sure.
Item #11F
RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING
THE BOARD’S INTEREST IN PURSUING A PROPOSED
PROPERTY ACQUISITION RELATED TO THE ISLES OF
CAPRI NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, AND IF SO DIRECTED,
PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO STAFF ON THE PREFERRED
SOURCES AND SEQUENCING OF IDENTIFIED FUNDING
OPTIONS, INCLUDING AUTHORIZATION TO APPLY FOR
FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST (FCT) FUNDING FOR THE
PURCHASE OF PROPERTIES IN THE UPCOMING GRANT
CYCLE – MOTION FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO WORK
WITH PARKS AND RECREATION TO FIND THE MONEY TO
SECURE BOTH PROPERTIES AND HAVE THE ISLANDERS
HELP PAY THE LOCAL MATCH INCLUDE THE FCT
FUNDING – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 11F is a recommendation to
provide direction to the staff regarding the Board's potential interest in
acquiring property on the Isles of Capri related to the further
development of the Isles of Capri neighborhood park and, if so
directed, to provide some more specific guidance regarding your
preferred sources and sequencing of identified funding.
Mr. Williams, your Parks and Recreation Division director, will
make the brief presentation.
MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you, Leo.
Commissioners, thank you. Barry Williams, Parks and
Recreation director.
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Just before I start, I just wanted to mention every October,
without fail, I'll get a call from Ann Hall, and Ann will remind me that
bocce season is coming and to be ready for it. And I just want to say
that all of our parks are unique, but certainly this particular park has
got a unique flavor.
Right now it's March Madness. There is over 100 bocce players
that are vying for the championship of Isles of Capri as we speak. So I
just wanted you to know that. This is a very unique park. It's not like
any other. It's a neighborhood park that we manage.
You wouldn't think there was much there or much going on, but it
is a tremendous thing. When somebody approaches us about, hey, can
we expand a park, you know, I'm a park guy. The immediate reaction
is, well, let's look at it.
What I would tell you about this particular idea -- let me get to a
slide for you -- is -- we were approached a couple of years ago with
this concept, and so we bought the property in question. You can see
the Isles of Capri neighborhood park. We have a playground there and
a bocce area, as I mentioned, some pavilions and picnic tables.
And so this was a residential property that was brought to our
attention, and we were able to acquire it and develop it to that manner.
So when you look at this property and you look at it on the Isle of
Capri, you can see the island. Primarily, this is a residential area. You
don't have a lot of lands that are available for a community park. You
do have in your AUIR the potential for a community park at Manatee
Park. Currently that is being looked at as a passive park. That's a
couple miles up the road. But that's what you have as far as
developing a community park for this particular area.
So with that said, when we looked at the property and the
potential for this, we did talk to the realtor who indicated the price
points for those two properties. You can see that they're asking
$159,000 for one of the parcels; $235,000 for the second. When our
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real estate services valued the properties, we see that the values are a
little less than that.
When you look at cost in terms of developing the property -- and
I'll go back to the slide and show you. One of the things that you see
on the 145 Capri Boulevard is a residential -- is a house, and so part of
the premise is to remove that house. It is -- I don't know exactly the
condition of the house in terms of the person that owns it and how it's
managed, but it is, as it sits right now, what one would consider to be
an eyesore.
So the thought would be, if there was the acquisition of the
property, you would tear that house down, and there's a cost associated
with that of roughly $13,000.
So that with the other cost in terms of site development, you're
looking at an all-in of roughly, from what we value the property, of a
cost associated with acquiring those two parcels, of $441,000. These
are unbudgeted funds. We don't have a budget for it, and I think that's
the question. If there were a desire for us to pursue this property, you
do have existing projects that are budgeted for FY '18. If there was a
desire to look at those projects and redirect money to acquire these
parcels, that's an option for you.
I will mention, too, that we could pursue Florida Community
Trust grant opportunities for these two properties. The nice thing
about FCT grants -- and we've been successful in getting them over the
years. In this particular instance you can buy property or make
improvements, apply for the grant money, and it's retroactively
applied. So that's a unique feature of that.
The FCT, though, does require a 25 percent match, so we would
have to find that if there were that desire.
But right now our recommendation, sitting here without a budget,
is we can't really move forward with the purchase of these properties
unless there was a desire to do something different than what we're
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doing with our FY '18 capital projects.
So with that, I'll stop and see what questions that you have.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any questions for staff? We do need --
how many public speakers do we have?
MR. MILLER: I have four registered public speakers.
THE COURT REPORTER: I'm okay.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Are we okay? We can continue.
And I would just urge the public speakers, if we're going to repeat
what someone's already said, please just say "ditto" or something like
that and we'll move on.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, your first public speaker on this
item is Ann Hall, and she'll be followed by Jeri Neuhaus.
MS. HALL: Thank you. I'm Ann Hall. I'm a resident of Isles of
Capri for 21 years. One time I said I'm 21 years old when I was
thinking about this but, as you can see, that's not the case.
I'd like to thank you again for an opportunity to come and share
with you the request that we have. And I want to first of all thank
Barry for all of the help that he's provided and Commissioner Fiala for
the encouragement and help she's provided.
I'm here to urge you to move forward to acquire the property in
whatever way we have to do by hook or crook because it's too late. If
we don't do something immediately, it's over. It's gone. There is no
more adjacent property to this park. And if we don't move forward, it
will be our last chance. It's very time sensitive; even if we only
purchased one of the properties at this time to get something next to
the park.
Failure to do this is going to -- is actually going to render this
park worthless, the one that we have now. Because if property is sold
and people do build on it, there is no place for anyone to park. More
than half the park or even three-fourths of the people that attend this
park that come to the park have to come by vehicle. So this is why it's
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so urgent that we do this at this time.
It's going to put people in the position of breaking the law because
they are going to come. As you well know, we have a big support
group, and these are ones that have just come to help, a few.
But the position of breaking the law, they're going to park in the
streets, which are extremely narrow on our island, and they're going to
park on the sidewalks, and they're going to cause completely
dangerous opportunities for pedestrians and motor vehicles as well,
and cyclists.
It's also -- there's a health hazard. This particular building that
was mentioned by Barry, this is what it looks like right now. There
have been rats that have been sighted. We're assuming there must be
mold in there. And the fence that you see there is the border within
two feet of our bocce court. So we are really talking about a health
hazard at this point. This is the particular property that we were most
interested in as being urgent at this time to take.
The other thing that we want to let you know is we think that --
because we haven't been able to sell any properties, houses around this
particular property -- as you can see, no one would want to build or
buy next to something like this. So we feel like to have this one
improved, even if we just take the building down and do nothing but
provide a small amount of parking area at the front of the property
until we can later afford amenities that would go in this, that this would
be an increase in the offset of the cost, because your property values
are going to go up, property around it, it's going to sell, sell for more,
and so taxable dollars might come back in enough to, even over the
long haul, support the cost of this property.
But it is critical to act now -- this is my summary. It's critical to
act now, not later, even if it is just the one at this time.
We also want to make sure that we have an opportunity to notice
that there are very few properties available on the island here. It's very
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unique. And my time is up.
Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you. Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Jeri Neuhaus. She will be
followed by Eddie Hall.
MS. NEUHAUS: I'm Jeri Neuhaus. I've been a property owner
on Capri since 1995. I will try not to duplicate --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Please.
MS. NEUHAUS: -- what Ann so eloquently said.
The parking situation is bad, which she -- it's not the people -- it's
going to become illegal. It's illegal now. We're parking on
everybody's grass. We're parking inappropriately on private property.
The two properties in question are actively being marketed. The
duplex is harder to sell right now given its condition. The lot will sell,
and the lot will -- that's going to go, and I would expect it to be gone
this season. I would also expect something to happen with the duplex.
The property owner has a mortgage and equity line on it, and she is
actively interested in getting that sold.
I think that the property values don't -- are a tad too low for what
they actually reflect because they each have a water view, which I
think is an asset for a county park to be able to view the water. As a
realtor, I'm working with the owner on the duplex and have waived the
commission on that so that she could try and get her price down. I'd
like to see it lower, but that's as low as she's going right now. And if I
help the county on the lot, I'd be crediting back to the county any
commission that would be due me to help offset costs as well. So I
have no financial interest in this. I only have the interest of expanding
our park.
Our demographics have changed. We have a lot of -- we have
toddlers, but now we have a group of children between toddler age and
teen-hood. We have bars. We have restaurants. We don't have
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anything for these kids except that park. And if we can get the duplex
next door and expand the park itself and get the lot and get the parking,
that's a real amenity for our island that doesn't involve liquor and food.
In summary, the time is now, and we're going to lose this
opportunity, and we won't -- won't have it again.
So I would ask the Commissioners to instruct staff to try and go
after any grant money and help us fund this. If you need help from the
community, let us know. We'll try. We've got people who have said
they'll try to hold the property for you, so -- but we need you to have
staff move forward on a grant thing and act now before we lose it.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Eddie Hall. She (sic) will be
followed by -- oh, I guess that's our final speaker. I had two slips for
the same person. I'm sorry.
MR. HALL: Yeah, and I am a he.
Andy, thank you for having us today, giving us this opportunity.
For the sake of redundancy, Mr. Williams covered my area pretty
well. So I'll be brief.
But I would like to recognize the people we have here from our
bocce league who kindly came down. Would you all stand up. Yeah.
They played yesterday, and most of them still are in the running.
But as we speak, if you listen, you probably could hear the cheers
coming off the island, because there are 32 people out there playing
today. But we have a lot of fun.
And I will add one thing, that our island is lengthy for our -- from
our vantage point, and we have -- from one end of our island it's 1.5
and three-tenths miles to get to the bocce court. The other end, it's
about nine-tenths of a mile, almost a mile.
So with that said, we need parking to get to the park. We have a
lot of people that are not quite as agile and mobile as they used to be.
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They're not senile, but they're hanging on. And so we need a parking
area for them and access to the park, because without it it's going to
really diminish our accessibility.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: We have exceeded our 10:30 cutoff for
our court reporter. Can we save our questions till we get back?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, of course; absolutely.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. We'll take a 10-minute break.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd take your seats,
please.
Mr. Chairman, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you, Mr. Manager.
We'll move on to questions from the commissioners. We've got
Commissioner Taylor first.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
A couple of questions I have. First of all, really appreciate the
advocacy of the neighborhood. That's just wonderful.
But I do have a question. I did copy one of the statements by one
of the speakers that the community would help. Have you considered
an MSTU?
MS. NEUHAUS: I don't know that we've got time for that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, we always have time for
MSTUs. We would just bond it, and then you'd pay it off.
MS. NEUHAUS: Well, certainly give us the information, and
we'll certainly look into it.
MR. OCHS: We're going to have to get on the record.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. Why don't you --
MS. NEUHAUS: Hello again.
Certainly, the community would consider something like that, but
we're concerned about the time frame; that the property will be lost by
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the time we accomplish that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think there's ways to get around
that, you know, so that there would be guaranty.
But another question about that one property that you're so
concerned about, and you should be, is there an open code case on this
property, County Manager?
MR. OCHS: I'm looking at Mr. Williams, and I know Mr. French
was making a call this morning as well.
MR. WILLIAMS: We are looking at that. At the time of the
preparation of the item, we did not detect a code case. But I don't
really have complete information for that, and I would wait Mr.
French's clarification.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I haven't visited the property,
but it certainty doesn't look like it shouldn't have a code case.
MS. NEUHAUS: It is inhabitable. They are living -- somebody
is living upstairs in the upstairs part of the duplex. That back part
that's missing is the back porch area that -- of that picture, and it's got a
lot of equipment -- a lot of equipment.
They're negotiating with the insurance company for proceeds to
repair the structure. Of course, I think they'd prefer to take the
insurance proceeds, sell the property, and be gone. But when
Roosevelt -- what is Roosevelt's last name?
MR. WILLIAMS: Excuse me. Ma'am, my apologies. In the
executive summary, Real Estate Services did investigate that, and they
did indicate review of the property revealed no current code violations.
Just to clarify.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: When was that review done?
MR. WILLIAMS: This review was done in preparation of this
item, so this was done the last three weeks.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, my goodness.
MS. NEUHAUS: The damage is mostly exterior. I will say this,
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there's -- we didn't note mold in there when we were in there, but the
home needs a lot of work.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Specifically, that was -- you
know, that was just sort of looking at the way it looked. I haven't been
inside.
MS. NEUHAUS: Yeah, that's the exterior part of it. The interior,
the downstairs, there's a lot -- there are a lot of issues with this building
and, yes, neighbors and bocce ball players and people like that have
noted that there has been a rat problem there. We've seen that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Mr. County Manager, is there a
way that we could somehow secure this property and based on the -- I
believe they have to have a vote, the neighbors would have to have a
vote of an MSTU on Isles of Capri to purchase this land for parks.
MR. OCHS: I'm not sure. I'm going to look to the County
Attorney.
MR. KLATZKOW: No vote's necessary. The Board could
impose the MSTU if it wished. In the past, sometimes the Board has
gone to a community saying would you -- do you want pay for it, and
we take a survey. Other times the board has imposed an MSTU. There
is no legal requirement for a referendum.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right. So that's under a half a
million, and we could figure out what that would be per household
based on property value. I'm assuming that's the way it goes. I don't
remember.
MR. OCHS: So in your executive summary we gave you a
couple of options. If you wanted to move quickly to secure the
property, we would recommend at least initially that we look at your
unincorporated area reserves and some residual funds in your other
parks capital projects to see if he could secure at least the land this year
and then look to Fiscal Year '19 to budget for any improvements.
In the alternative, we could wait and apply for this Florida
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Communities Trust grant this summer that Mr. Williams talked about,
or we could do both concurrently, frankly, and secure the land now
with the hope that we get the grant which Barry indicated can be
retroactively applied against the purchase price, or -- and/or we could
secure the land and then look at the imposition of an MSTU to pay
back the Board, essentially, for the cost of that land.
So you have multiple options available to you. I think, obviously,
the biggest concern I'm hearing is securing the property before it gets
away from everybody.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I would support securing the
property contingent upon outside funding that didn't impair, for
instance, the Big Corkscrew Park that we're trying to fund for --
MR. WILLIAMS: One clarification, if I may, just in terms of
funding sources.
So this particular purchase is not eligible for impact fees because
it's defined as a neighborhood park. So this would not take funding
streams away from Big Corkscrew Island Regional Park, just to
clarify.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. All right. Good.
MR. OCHS: And we also heard loud and clear the potential offer
for the community help to raise some funding for this, and we would
want to pursue that with all vigor with the community.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the best part about it is is if
we did have that land, we could always sell it again if the money didn't
come through, you know, and it would probably be sold at a higher
price. So I think it's an investment that we could make at this point.
Thank you very much.
MR. KLATZKOW: You're going to want to get appraisals.
MR. OCHS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Pardon me?
MR. OCHS: We did two in-house appraisals but, yeah, we'll
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want to make sure we have formal appraisals as well.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Do you want to make the
motion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You can.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, I'd like to make a motion
if you're --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, maybe I better make the
motion myself.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I was going to say that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I was trying to be kind, but I'll --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, I'll give a brief -- well,
you know, you're the leader of the band here. I like what
Commissioner Taylor had to say with regard to the MSTU -- when I
was speaking to staff yesterday. This is a fairly localized purchase for
a small segment of our community, and if the community is interested
in assisting with the payment, then I'm very much in favor of assisting
the community in getting through the timing issue in the creation of an
MSTU.
So I concur with Commissioner Taylor in that regard as well, and
I would like to see staff proceed in holding up with -- not holding up,
but getting the property acquired so that we have some say-so and
control.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. In speaking with the County
Manager and Assistant County Manager and with the people in the
community, the County Manager explained that there are ways that we
have some pockets of money here and there that are left over that we
can gather together which will give us the opportunity to at least buy
that property, and the Florida Communities Trust has been very, very
good to us in our county.
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And I think it's an outstanding thing to apply for that right away,
secure the property, and it looks like they'll probably be able to get
most of it, and then maybe if you want to help with that 25 percent, or
unless we have it already, then you could do fundraising on the islands
-- there's four islands involved here -- and see what we can do.
I don't think I've ever seen anybody have to pay for their park
before in an MSTU. I've seen them do landscaping in road medians
but never an MSTU that then just goes back to the county anyway.
So I would prefer to make a motion that we work with the County
Manager and the Parks and Rec Department about finding the dollars
to secure the property and apply immediately for the Florida
Communities Trust and then, as that money comes in, the islanders can
help raise the money to pay that, whatever, 25 percent or whatever it is
to do that.
MR. OCHS: The local match you're talking about?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, local match. I'm sorry, yes.
That would be my motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion and a second and some
discussion. And, Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just a little bit of discussion. I
actually rode out there a couple weekends ago, and there were some
folks playing bocce ball, and there was no place to park. There were
cars parked across the street on a lot. So I can attest to the fact that
even late in the afternoon on a Saturday there were folks out there
playing bocce ball.
I agree with Commissioner Fiala; I don't think communities -- I
don't think we have MSTUs for community parks, unless I'm mistaken.
Do we have some precedent for that? Because I --
MR. WILLIAMS: You have one MSTU related to Golden Gate
Community Center that pays for a portion of the operating expense of
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the community center, but you don't have an MSTU that has bought
park land for a purpose like what we're describing.
MR. OCHS: No. We have other neighborhood parks that have
not been purchased with MSTUs.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Right. So I support the motion
to move forward to acquire. I'd like to explore acquiring both those
lots. I understand that there's one that's the primary one. And maybe
you can change the motion to the point of focus on the first one, let's
get that under contract, but also explore the second lot. I'd like to see
us consider both of those.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'd be delighted to add that to my
motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And so would the seconder.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And then, in terms of an
MSTU, I think we can find a way to deal with the park without having
to create an MSTU for it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. And just as a point, again,
how we get there with regard to the funding is really immaterial to me.
I really would like -- and the community has expressed a willingness to
assist with that. And I'd suggested when I met with staff yesterday the
MSTU as a path. This is -- there is a park there. The county did
provide for that neighborhood park there. This is an expansion and
enhancement of that park, so it's not like they're creating their own
MSTU to buy their own park.
There's extraordinary circumstances because of these amazing
bocce players, bocce ball players that are here that are exacerbating the
parking circumstances on a seasonal basis. So how we get there really
doesn't matter to me.
There is, obviously, a willingness for the community to assist, and
that was Commissioner Taylor and I's idea as an avenue to do that so
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that it is equitable, because you're going to have somebody that doesn't
want to spend the money, and an MSTU --
MS. HALL: It will be lost.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- can assist with it being
equitable and disbursing that expense.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But then what do you -- well, I'm
going to just leave the motion as is. I'll ask that question afterwards.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners -- and, again, to Commissioner
McDaniel's point, without belaboring this, there are ways to fashion
public/private participation without necessarily an MSTU. So -- and I
think we have some precedent in Palm River, for example, where that
was done on a neighborhood park.
So I think we can get the public, perhaps, to participate, but
maybe not in as formalized a method as an MSTU with all the
administrative costs and the time that it takes to put that together.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That is a drawback of the
MSTU.
MR. OCHS: Fair enough?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay, great.
MR. OCHS: Okay. So we can pursue that while we're pursuing
the acquisition of the properties.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And then if the Florida Communities
Trust goes through --
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- you know, what would they do
with their MSTU anyway? I think it's -- I think it's a better way to go
for all of them.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: And I'd only like to understand better if
we're going to move funds around from some other capital projects or
something in the parks budget what that's going to mean. There's some
items -- I mean, Veteran's Park for me is -- there's a thousand kids that
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need a ballfield.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. When we come back with the acquisition
action, we'll delineate the exact source of funds from each line item.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But you did say that you're not going
to take away from any of the other parks and their procedures as you're
in it right now, like -- I don't know, the big park that they're building or
the upgrades over at Veteran's Park, it's not going to interrupt that,
right?
MR. OCHS: No, ma'am. We'll bring you back exactly where
we're going to source those funds.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. So there's a motion and a second.
All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, Commissioners.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Are we going to have the U.S. Open bocce
tournament one of these days?
MR. OCHS: Oh, don't do that to me.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
MR. OCHS: I can hardly handle pickleball.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think pickleball's got to get
fixed first.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I want you to know I was
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watching Mr. Isackson's face back there. When you said you could
make it work, County Manager, he started to smile. He just walked
out of the room quietly.
MR. OCHS: I was going to say, I've never seen him smile, so
that's --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: He may have been laughing.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
Items #9A & 9B – ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT BOTH
ORDINANCES
Item #9A
ORDINANCE 2018-06: AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 09-65,
THE SIENA LAKES CCRC COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT, TO APPROVE AN INSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE
TO THE CPUD, TO RETAIN THE EXISTING TOTAL NUMBER
OF PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL UNITS BUT REVISING THE
RATIO OF PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL UNITS BY INCREASING
THE NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS,
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF ASSISTED LIVING BEDS AND
DECREASING THE NUMBER OF SKILLED NURSING BEDS
AND MEMORY CARE BEDS; AND TO REVISE THE MASTER
PLAN BY CHANGING THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, THE
ENTRANCE LOCATION, AND THE SITE, LAKE AND
BUILDING CONFIGURATIONS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY
CONSISTS OF 29.25± ACRES, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE
OF ORANGE BLOSSOM ROAD BETWEEN AIRPORT-PULLING
ROAD AND LIVINGSTON ROAD, IN SECTION 1, TOWNSHIP 49
SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA [PDI-
PL20160003125] – ADOPTED
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Item #9B
ORDINANCE 2018-07: AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 92-
75, AS AMENDED, THE ORANGE BLOSSOM GARDENS
PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD); PROVIDING FOR
AMENDMENT TO ADD TEMPORARY PRINCIPAL USES FOR
OFF-SITE SALES, MARKETING AND ADMINISTRATION FOR
THE SIENA LAKES PUD AND TO ADD PRINCIPAL USES
ACCESSORY TO ST. KATHERINE’S GREEK ORTHODOX
CHURCH INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND
CLASSROOMS ANCILLARY TO THE CHURCH; PROVIDING
FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS; PROVIDING FOR
AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN AND PROVIDING FOR
AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTING
OF 5.85 ACRES IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
ORANGE BLOSSOM DRIVE APPROXIMATELY 1/10 OF A MILE
EAST OF AIRPORT PULLING ROAD IN SECTION 1, TOWNSHIP
49 SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, IN COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
[PL20170000524] – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, Mr. Chairman, that takes us back to
Item 9, advertised public hearings.
You have two companion items. I think you may want to hear
those together; Item 9A and 9B. Both of these items require that
participants be sworn in and ex parte disclosure be provided by
commission members.
These are requests to amend the Siena Lakes Commercial
Planned Unit Development to approve an unsubstantial change to the
CPUD.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Just a quick question. Do we have any
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public speakers for this?
MR. MILLER: I have no registered speakers for either 9A or 9B.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. So maybe we can --
MR. OCHS: Yeah. Hopefully we can move this fairly quick.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Just as a point of order, I think
we should announce, too, 6A was withdrawn that was on our agenda --
MR. OCHS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- and approved today. And
there were a lot of people that were asking about it, were here to talk
about it, and it has been withdrawn, I think, by the petitioner. If I'm
not mistaken.
MR. OCHS: That's correct. We mentioned that when we were
doing the changes this morning. You're right, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I didn't hear that part. Forgive
me.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
All right. So if we could get ex parte disclosure from the board
members.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So we need ex parte disclosures first.
Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. I have had meetings.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Meetings?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I've had staff reports on both items,
and that's all; no meetings or anything.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Read the staff report, very brief
conversation with staff, very brief conversation with the attorney
representing the petitioner.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Saunders?
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And same here. I had a
meeting with the attorney representing the petitioners and have
reviewed the staff report.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, it would be appropriate after you
make disclosures to swear everybody.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Swear everybody in. Sure. And I'll just --
I had meetings with Mr. Mulhere, Mr. Yovanovich, Mr. Archibald, I
think the reverend from the church, and I got an email from Colleen
Brady, and I've also -- do we need to disclose that we've read the staff
report? It's the staff report, right?
MR. OCHS: No.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I didn't think so.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, I'm not so sure. I've been
hearing a lot of things about people aren't reading their agendas, and so
maybe we need to declare that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Not in ex parte.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah.
Okay. So now we can swear the witnesses or anybody that's
going to testify.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
MR. MULHERE: Thank you. For the record -- should I start?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yes. Go ahead.
MR. MULHERE: Yes, I'm sorry.
For the record, Bob Mulhere with Hole Montes here representing
the applicant. I just wanted to say that based on your Summary
Agenda 16A13, this -- one of these items would have not come
forward for you to hear and the other one would have been placed on
the summary agenda. But since we -- since we're on your agenda, you
don't have any public speakers --
MR. KLATZKOW: One of them would have been brought
because you didn't have full Planning Commission support, did you?
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MR. MULHERE: We didn't, but that wouldn't have been brought
here based on the change. It would have ended at the Planning
Commission. It's a PDI. That one was a PDI.
MR. OCHS: Gotcha.
MR. MULHERE: That -- Mr. Attorney, that item is a PDI. So if
this was in effect, we would not have had to come here because we had
a 5-1 vote for approval, correct? Okay.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: But you're here, so --
MR. MULHERE: But we're here, so let me continue.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Why don't we just make it quick then.
MR. MULHERE: I will. In summary -- I'll just be very, very
quick.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll make a motion for approval.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion and a second. All in
favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That was a great presentation.
MR. MULHERE: Two items.
MR. OCHS: Mr. County Attorney, do you want a separate
motion to vote on 9B, or are you okay with --
MR. KLATZKOW: I'm okay with one vote.
MR. OCHS: Both 9A and 9B.
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MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Approval and motion did
reflect both items.
Item #11A
RECOMMENDATION TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO BEGIN
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY HOUSING PLAN
(CHP) BY TAKING NECESSARY ACTIONS TO PURSUE THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS (BOARD) ADOPTION
OF: (1) A NEW DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING; (2) A
NEW HOUSING DEMAND METHODOLOGY; (3) A POLICY TO
ADVOCATE FOR FULL FUNDING OF THE STATE HOUSING
TRUST FUND AND OTHER HOUSING FUNDING; (4) A POLICY
TO CONSIDER HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN ALL FUTURE
PUBLIC LAND ACQUISITIONS; (5) AN AMENDMENT TO THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM; (6) AN
AMENDMENT TO THE EXPEDITED REVIEW/FAST TRACKING
PROCEDURES; AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO GROWTH
MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT (GMD) TO ADVERTISE AND
INITIATE ORDINANCE, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND
GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN AMENDMENTS –
ITEM #1: MOTION TO APPROVE AND INCLUDE HOA FEES
AND ASSESSMENTS; – APPROVED;
ITEM #2: MOTION TO ACCEPT – APPROVED;
ITEM #3: RESOLUTION 2018-38 – ADOPTED;
ITEM #4: RESOLUTION 2018-39 – ADOPTED;
ITEM #5: MOTION TO ACCEPT REPORT – APPROVED;
ITEM #6: RESOLUTION 2018-40 – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Thank you, sir.
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Commissioner, that moves us to Item 11A.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: County Manager, what about public
comment? I don't know that there is any.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There wasn't any.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: There wasn't any.
MR. OCHS: Well --
MR. MILLER: There was one none for that item, for either one
of those items.
MR. OCHS: Let's announce it anyhow. Public comment on
general topics not on the current or future agenda.
MR. MILLER: And I have no registered speakers at this time for
that either.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: All right. We move to Item 11A.
As Mr. Giblin comes to the podium, Commissioners, I'll remind
you that this is a followup to the Community Housing Plan
presentation that was made by the staff back in October that was the,
essentially, culmination of almost two years worth of effort by many
members and stakeholders in the community and as well as your
county staff.
And as Cormac steps up, it does give me an opportunity to
recognize all of his efforts in this regard. And I would tell you I think
we're very fortunate to have anybody that has his talent and expertise
and also his commitment to this issue facilitating the discussion on this
important public policy issue.
So I thank Cormac for his good work and ask him to begin the
presentation.
MR. GIBLIN: Thank you, County Manager.
Good morning, Commissioners. For the record, my name is
Cormac Giblin. I'm your Housing and Grants Development manager
in the Community and Human Services Division.
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Today we're going to be presenting to you Step 1 of the
Community Housing Plan that's been in the making now for going on
about two years and that you accepted on October 25th.
These are some of the more foundational and structural elements
of the Community Housing Plan that you'll be going over this morning.
Some of this will be recap from that October meeting where you
accepted the plan. We will look at what housing that is affordable is
and what it is not and recommend a new definition.
We'll go through the new housing demand model to answer the
question of how much housing do we need and for whom.
We'll outline some of the first steps of the package of incentives
and programs included in your housing plan designed to meet that
need.
Commissioners, here, for Step 1 of our implementation plan we're
presenting six items for your consideration today. The first is the new
definition of affordable housing, the new methodology. We're going to
ask you to advocate for full funding of the Sadowski Housing Trust
Fund for SHIP and other funding dollars. We'll be asking for a policy
to address housing that is affordable in future public land acquisitions.
We're recommending changes to amend the Affordable Housing
Density Bonus Program and to create a concurrent zoning review and
approval process.
The following few slides are going to set the stage to remind us
why we and your committee are recommending that we do anything
related to the housing plan. In this process your stakeholder committee
had to transcend the belief systems and develop a plan that is based on
facts.
And, again, here are some of the undeniable facts that the
stakeholder group used when preparing this report: 61.4 percent of the
jobs in Collier County pay less than $33,250 a year; 57,567 households
are cost burdened; rental rates have gone up 15 percent in just the last
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year; the Chamber of Commerce has identified the lack of affordable
housing as its number one public policy issue; households earning the
median income cannot afford the median priced home in Collier
County; prospective employers can't -- prospective employees can't
afford to live here; 40,000 people commute daily to work in Collier
County from neighboring counties; and there's little to no vacancy in
rentals.
Commissioners, there's an ongoing interest in the vitality of this
community with a significant focus on economic development. This
graphic shows a number of the contributors to a healthy and growing
community, and one of those elements is sufficient housing for the
various income levels. Housing that is affordable for all Collier
residents is just as critical as any of these other contributors to a vital
community.
For years the same questions have been asked about affordable
housing in Collier County: What is affordable housing and who needs
it?
Let's start again by recapping some of these slides we went over
in October of what we're not talking about here this morning. We're
not talking about public housing, we're not talking about slums, and
we're not talking about value reducers. There's been no credible study
that has ever correlated the addition of affordable housing with the
lowering of neighboring property values.
What we are talking about here is affordable, safe, and decent
housing. It's housing that costs less than 30 percent of your monthly
income, and there are several examples of that today here in Collier
County. Here we have four more examples ranging from all over right
here in our backyard.
Commissioners, an initial and ongoing struggle in answering the
question of who needs affordable housing has been achieving a
common understanding of the definition of affordable housing. As we
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know -- as well as how that housing is tracked and reported on in order
to inform decision making.
This plan recommends a new and simple definition of affordable
housing to be in line with federal and state definitions. It focuses on
the household income in determining whether or not housing is
affordable. Under the definition, if a household spends less than 30
percent of their gross monthly income on housing, then it is affordable.
The definition is inclusive of all populations including seniors and
persons with special needs.
The plan goes further and introduces a new definition of
affordable housing to quantify the number of approved affordable
housing units which are those that are restricted, income verified, and
price restricted for a period of time as well as creates a new category
called unrestricted market rate affordable housing. This refers to those
housing units that may be naturally affordable in the open market but
are unrestricted with no income or price restrictions. There is no
knowledge of or restriction on the income or costs of those households.
The most prevalent reasons that these household -- housing units
are valued as such that they may be affordable or that they may be
perceived as being affordable have to do with factors such as location,
age, condition, type, and size of the units.
The units that may be affordable in this category will fluctuate as
the market conditions change; however, this definition attempts to
quantify and report on units that may naturally occur in the open
market based on their value assessed by the Property Appraiser.
The housing plan shows that there are 10,766 approved affordable
housing units in Collier County and that there are 78,127 unrestricted
market rate affordable housing units.
Within our definition of affordable housing, there are certain
targeted income levels that are expressed as percentages of median
income based on family size. In Collier County, it is proposed that we
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focus our public efforts on those households from 0 up to 140 percent
median income.
This slide shows the actual incomes for a family of three that fall
within those income ranges and some typical occupations with those
incomes.
This slide shows how much those households can pay -- can
afford to pay for rent per month or how expensive a house they can
afford to buy.
Commissioners, this is the simple definition. All housing serving
people up through 140 percent of median income meets our definition
for housing that is affordable. There are no more special buzz words
or niches like essential services personnel, ESP housing, workforce
housing, professional housing, or reasonably priced housing.
Affordable housing is an umbrella term that encompasses all of our
targeted income levels.
So to review the section on the definition, we have a new
definition and reporting format, we know what incomes it addresses,
we know what jobs make up those incomes, we know what those
households can afford in rent, and we know what those households can
afford to buy.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Mr. Chair?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Not to direct traffic, but
Commissioner Fiala expressed a concern at the beginning of our
meeting today with the inordinate amount of information that is
included in this agenda item, and one of my suggestions is that maybe
we break it up into six individual discussions about all six proposed
adjustments and segment it out that way to -- because it's a lot for those
of us who know a lot, and it's a lot.
So I would suggest that we talk about the definition, since
Cormac's done, and agree or disagree, vote on that or not, as the case
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may be, then go to the next if the chair so --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Was Cormac done?
MR. GIBLIN: I'm done with the first section of six.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Is Cormac done? He's not
done. There's six of these things.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. What's the consensus? I mean, I
don't mind doing it that way either.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's easier to bite it off and
understand it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: It's fine with me. Let's proceed. So --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll make a motion to accept the
suggested definition.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Discussion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I just -- I haven't dissected it.
I've been trying to figure out what impacts this would have, if it's an
outstanding impact, if it's the way we need to go, and I just haven't had
a chance to do that. So I can't even give you an opinion one way or
another.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Well, I've got a couple of questions
about the definition. I remember a while back I went to the advisory
committee's meeting, and we were talking about the definition. And I
think we need to include more than just mortgage payments and
insurance or taxes and insurance, because at one time I remember
looking at all the properties listed under $300,000 in Collier County,
and there seemed to be a lot of them, but if you're not taking into
consideration that most of those or many of those were condominiums
or residences within a community that has assessments. I mean, some
of the condominium assessments are like a mortgage payment.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Almost, yes, sir.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So while it looked like there were a lot of
housing units that would be affordable, I really didn't think it was
accurate because when you add on the condominium assessments, they
really weren't.
So my concern with the definition is that it doesn't clearly include
taxes, insurance, and any other assessments that you have to pay to
own the property.
MR. GIBLIN: I can address that. We have looked at those
issues. When we talk about rental, the typical 30 percent income, or
30 percent housing costs include your rent and your utilities payments.
That's federal guidelines.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
MR. GIBLIN: When we talk on the ownership side, it typically
includes principal, taxes, and insurance -- principal, taxes, interest, and
insurance. And for our purposes, as we get further in my presentation
for the demand model, we are also taking into account those HOA
fees.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So -- I don't mean to interrupt.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: But doesn't that have to be within -- we
have to be consistent. We have to have it considered in the definition
of what is affordable if we're going to look at it on the other side and
what the model says, don't we, or am I not understanding that?
MR. OCHS: Well, what we're saying is that cost burden is above
30 percent of your monthly income. And when he does that
calculation of cost burdened for a single-family home, he includes the
HOAs. For renters, he includes the utilities. So it is in the cost burden
definition.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So you're saying it's factored in?
MR. GIBLIN: We are using it already.
MR. OCHS: Yes.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: But it's not in the definition specifically.
MR. GIBLIN: It's not called out in the definition. If we'd like,
when we bring this -- and I'll remind, this is -- we're only looking for
direction here, because the definition is in your Land Development
Code. So whatever discussion we have today is --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
MR. GIBLIN: -- the fashion of whatever official Land
Development Code amendments move forward. So if you'd like to
include specifically what makes up that 30 percent number, we can call
that out specifically.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I think it would be helpful for me, and I
think it would be helpful for everybody to understand that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It needs to be defined. It
absolutely needs to be defined. I really -- and I wanted to compliment,
because if you are familiar with the LDC description -- the Land
Development Code description that we currently have, all these
housing types are commingled into one paragraph. This is a specific
segregation of individual housing types that we have within our
community and the incomes that travel along, so -- and, to quell a
concern is, is this is recommendations. We are coming back to these
individual items.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No concern.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Well, you had
expressed it early on about not having time to digest.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And there is more -- we're
going to have more discussion on these things as we actually adopt the
LDC amendments.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Let me just figure out where we are
on the comments here. So, Commissioner McDaniel, your light's on,
but I'm going to --
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, that was --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Are you done?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, sir, I am, for the minute.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Just a quick question from me, then
--
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- on the same.
When you have two teachers, for instance, or a nurse and an
X-ray tech or something, married and they have a child, and they have
a place, but they wanted a little nicer place. They didn't want to stay
under the 30 percent, but they feel with their combined income they
can afford more and they knew that the property value would go up.
Are they still in that 30 percentile or below that after that they're cost
burdened?
MR. GIBLIN: If they choose -- we have many people in Collier
County who choose to spend more than they can afford on housing,
and so that would be a household decision.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right, correct.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But are they considered cost
burdened?
MR. GIBLIN: They would be cost burdened, yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Cost burdened, even though they
make that conscious decision. I see. Okay. I just wanted to clarify
that. Okay.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I really like the simplicity or the
simplification of the definition a lot, and I think your income criteria is
not Collier County's source, but it is based on an intricate mathematical
formula that is national and standard; is that correct?
MR. GIBLIN: That is correct. The 50 percent, the 80 percent,
and the 120 percent levels are based on state and national breakpoints.
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In Collier County we have the additional category of gap housing
which was created by this commission about 12 years ago to address
that segment of the population that fell above where the national
thresholds were but still was having difficulty finding housing in this
market. So the gap housing level is a Collier County invention.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. GIBLIN: And this proposal seeks to continue that but at the
140 percent of median income level.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Good.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So there was a motion and a second, I
believe. Was there a second?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: And I was just going to ask if the motion
maker would include the discussion that we just had about including in
the definition, specifically, other assessments that may be HOA
assessments.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'd be happy to do that, but
I think it's --
MR. MILLER: I'm just wondering, I'm sorry, how you want to
do speakers on this. I do have two speakers, and now you're breaking
this up into six parts. I'm not sure how you want me to call the public
speakers.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Good point. Does anyone wish to speak
on the definition?
MR. MILLER: I have Gary Lubben and Lisa Lefkow registered
to speak.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Definitions.
MR. OCHS: It doesn't look like they want to speak on the --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Not on the definition, okay.
MR. LUBBEN: I did have a comment on that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Are you a registered speaker?
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MR. LUBBEN: Yes, I am.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Please.
MR. LUBBEN: Gary Lubben, L-u-b-b-e-n; sorry. Probably my
poor penmanship.
Thank you for the chance to speak. I am a resident of Collier
County, specifically District 4, more specifically East Naples.
And so my comments, I'll just make them, you know, covering
the waterfront of issues, one of which bears on the question of
definition. But with the end in mind my recommendation is that the
Commission move carefully and thoughtfully on these issues.
And I would specifically recommend a more thorough evaluation
and impact assessment that can be done specifically for District 4 and
East Naples, in particular. So that's the basic takeaway message, is
take your time, evaluate this carefully.
I have three areas of concern, and I actually only looked at this
very late. I looked at it yesterday. And three things pointed out -- or
jumped out to me. One was the rationale for the redefinition of
affordable housing, this gap section that was characterized moving
from 150 to 140. I think that only serves to lower the bar and increase
the demand for affordable housing, and I don't understand the rationale
for reducing it from 150 to 140.
And the second is the removal of the existing safeguards to
protect community interests via the fast tracking of approvals. I think
there's a salutary effect of ensuring the community has input into
where affordable housing is granted, where it's placed, where it's
denied.
Third point is altering and specifically increasing the densities
being permitted. If I read correctly, their recommendation was up to
12 dwellings per acre.
I think all of these coupled together with the apparent
predisposition to cluster development in certain areas of Collier
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County, most specifically East Naples, will adversely affect existing
community in East Naples and stress existing schools and
infrastructural investments.
It's worth remembering that East Naples has a high degree of
disadvantaged schools, disadvantaged programs, so I will encourage
you to take that into account.
I think all of these run counter to existing Florida statutory
obligations to evenly distribute affordable housing across the entirety
of the county. And, again, I would recommend tabling or completing a
more thorough analysis before moving forward and, bottom line, I
think the public needs to be engaged in this entire process, and I think
that the commission needs to demonstrate through their policies and
actions comportment to existing Florida law. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. You had a question for
--
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, now that we've -- how many
speakers do we have?
MR. MILLER: I just have one other speaker, Lisa Lefkow.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay, okay. Because if we're going to
split this up and we had a number of -- numerous speakers, then how
much time were they going to get on each one. But I think she didn't
want to speak on this item, so we'll just move forward then.
Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm going to support the
motion, but just for clarification for staff purposes, there's a -- you've
got the definition that talks in terms of the monthly rent or the monthly
mortgage payment, including property taxes and insurance, and I'm
assuming what you're suggesting is adding -- under the monthly
mortgage payment also including homeowner's fees and assessments.
So just for staff's purposes, it's a simple change.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Right. That was my request that we
specifically include that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah. And I was -- and that
was your question before we got off on how many public speakers we
were having and all. But I would like to see that, and I think that that
is something that we can address specifically when we actually do the
LDC amendment, making sure that the inclusion of those things are in
there. But, certainly, we've given direction to staff to include those
items in.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I'll agree to the amendment
of the motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and an
amendment and a second to the amendment.
Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I might just add that because I
haven't studied that and see what the impacts will be on this, I just can't
vote for it either way. So I don't know if you can abstain from it until
you get more information, but that's what I'd ask to you.
MR. KLATZKOW: No. I mean, you need to vote no.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: You have to vote? No?
MR. KLATZKOW: You don't have a conflict here. You'd have
to vote.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Oh, you have to vote.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's okay to vote no. If you're
not comfortable, don't vote for it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But I didn't want to vote no. I just
wanted to know the impacts before I voted one way or another. Well,
I'll vote yes with the majority, and then if I find that that's not so good,
I can always reconsider.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We'll fix it in the LDC process.
MR. OCHS: Right. Yeah, these will be memorialized ultimately
in LDC amendments that you'll vote on in the future separately. So
this is not your last bite at this apple.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: As Commissioner Taylor likes
to say.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So there's a motion and a second. All in
favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
MR. GIBLIN: All right. I'll move on to -- the second item is the
update of the housing demand model and its methodology, which
answers the questions of how much housing do we need and what type
is it.
Commissioner, we already have a housing demand model. This
model was approved by the Board in March of 2015. It measures new
entrants into the county based on population growth. It assesses their
household income levels, looks at the existing supply of rental and
for-sale inventory in those price ranges, and computes a need.
The current model shows a gross demand of 1,817 units and an
existing supply of 1,323 units available for purchase and 409 -- 499
available rental units, for a total of 18,022 (sic) units. At first blush you
would look at this and conclude that the supply matches the demand,
and there's no problem; however, if you look at the supply columns as
to what incomes the available product is affordable to, you see a severe
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disconnect with virtually no units available at the lower levels. It does
not target the incomes of the need.
Another glaring shortcoming of this model is that is assumes that
everyone who is already living in Collier County is living here
affordably and has no need for additional affordable units. It ignores
the 57,567 households currently living in Collier who are cost
burdened spending more than 30 percent of their incomes on housing
expenses.
The Urban Land Institute suggested using the concept of cost
burdened to quantify affordability. Spending more than 30 percent of
your gross household income on housing-related expenses means that
you're housing cost burdened. They said that having a high cost
burden percentage drives people out of the county for housing along
with their spending power.
17.4 percent of the workforce in Collier County or, again,
approximately 40,000 people, commute daily from outside Collier
County; 32 percent of our BCC employees drive more than 30 minutes
each day to work; 1,000 public school employees don't live in Collier
County. This affects the Sheriff, the city, our hotels, and other major
employers. And remember that 61.4 percent of all the jobs in Collier
County pay less than $33,250 per year.
The ULI looked further to see if people in these occupations
could find and afford housing in our market. They found that of these
13 or 15 sample jobs and their entry to mid-level salaries, only 3 out of
the 13 can afford the median rental cost in Collier County, and none of
them could afford to buy the median home. Further, only seven could
even afford to buy a home at half the median cost. They determined
that two out of five households in Collier County cost burdened or
currently living unaffordably and one out of five of our neighbors are
severely cost burdened, meaning they spend more than 50 percent of
their income on housing expenses alone.
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This chart compares Collier County's cost burdened percentage to
that of other counties in our region and to that of other similar coastal
counties with like populations. It shows that Collier's cost burden
percentage is over 1 percent higher than our nearest competitor, Lee
County, and much higher than others in our region and other similar
counties throughout the state.
The housing plan introduces a new housing demand model that
seeks to overcome the shortcomings of the previous model. It uses the
county's entire housing supply, calculates a gross need, accounts for
existing supply, and computes a remaining annual need.
One other addition is that it uses the demand not only from
population growth, but also the demand generated by striving to reduce
the number of cost-burdened households by just 1 percent. This finally
establishes a level of service to quantify the county's need for
affordable units at specific income levels.
Here's a look at the complete model showing exactly how many
units are needed, what income they are needed for, and what type of
units they are; rental or owner occupied.
The plan document goes into great detail on the math assumptions
and metrics behind the model, and some of those sources are footnoted
here. At a very high level the model shows the current and future
housing need and that the greatest needs for affordable units falls in the
rental category for households less than 80 percent of median income.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: What are we talking about, that
income? What number is that, less than 80 percent? Is that 40,000?
MR. GIBLIN: It was -- for a household of three, it was 50,240 or
less. It's on the chart.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Show me where this is on
the chart. I'm looking right at it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Column 4.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, I'm going over here. Pardon
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me. Okay. Who -- let's go back and look at occupations. I want to tie
that into life in Collier. You just went by it, I think.
So that's a registered nurse, medical assistant, teaching assistants,
a firefighter, beginning firefighter, administrative assistants.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Is it based just on their salary or
their partner's salary in the same place?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: If they have a partner.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Three-person household.
MR. GIBLIN: That 50,240 was for a household of three. So it
could be two wage earners and a child or one wage earner, two
children.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: The total income is the 50,000
mark, right.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Right.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: And can we -- let's just let Cormac finish
his --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Of course. I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: -- presentation, and then --
MR. GIBLIN: We're here. We're at the end of Section 2 with the
new methodology.
Just to summarize, we looked at the existing demand model and
its shortcomings, we looked at the benefits of the new model, that it
shows the greatest need is where and what type of housing, it addresses
current needs, not only those from future entrants, it uses real time
availability, and it's easily updated with market conditions.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So you need direction from us
to accept that?
MR. GIBLIN: We have an existing model that you adopted in
2015, and this is -- we're presenting the recommended update to it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. And I think, Commissioner Fiala,
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you were first.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I was. Thank you.
These are all, then, based -- all of these figures are based on the
cost-burdened figure of 30 percent and -- is that correct?
MR. GIBLIN: Not all of them. The cost burden is a factor in the
new methodology, but it still also relies on population growth as well.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I see. Okay. And will that cost
burdened, then, even if they decide to spend 40 percent and they feel
that they can easily do that, they would still be considered cost
burdened, so that would increase the level of people in need because of
that cost-burdened thing; is that right?
MR. GIBLIN: It would, and that -- there are probably -- could be
households within that 57,567 total households but, again, remember,
we were only basing it on 1 percent of that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. I also -- first off, were
you done, Commissioner Fiala? Were you done?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I cannot accept this
methodology for calculating the demand. The inclusion -- and I
applauded staff in the definition cure in the first item, but the inclusion
of cost burdening, which is an entirely new animal with regard to the
population of Collier County in the methodology for determining our
housing, LDC amendments, and GMP amendments, I can't concur
with.
We have state law, we have federal law, and we adjusted our
definitions to comply with state and federal law, and then now we're
adding in something that doesn't have anything to do with state and
federal law as far as the county's compliance with the supply and
demand chart of the available units. And cost burdening, as
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Commissioner Fiala has very adeptly pointed out, can, in fact,
sometimes be a choice.
And, two, we regularly talk about this population, a population of
residents who doesn't or can't afford to live in Collier County. They
may have chosen to not live in Collier County just because of some of
the expenses that are coming along there. We need to be reminded that
85 percent of the population of works -- of our workforce in Collier
County lives here in Collier County.
Yeah, so there is a -- they talk about this -- what looks like a
voluminous number of people that are -- that come from other areas,
but 85 percent of our population who works here actually lives here in
Collier County. Some by choice, ultimately, end up being cost
burdened, and then others -- I know there's a nice young lady that
works at the chamber that shared with me she and her husband didn't
want to be house burdened, so they moved to Estero.
So I have an issue with this calculation for how, specifically with
the cost burdening side of it. I would like for that to be taken out of
this from an estimation standpoint to see what that does with the
estimation of these numbers.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I needed to ask a question,
Commissioner McDaniel. You said 85 percent of the people living
here work in Collier County, or did I mishear -- did I -- is that a --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I might have misspoken,
Commissioner Taylor. Eighty-five percent of the working population
of Collier County live in Collier County.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So you're --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, but -- go ahead.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So what you're saying is that 15 percent of
all the people that work in Collier County live outside of Collier
County?
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But that contradicts what Arthrex
presented us with. Arthrex said 30 percent of their workforce works
outside of Collier County.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Arthrex is one employer of
Collier County, Commissioner Taylor. And I'm not refuting -- I mean,
we have to be careful about where the data, in fact, comes from. That
was on the ULI report that you voted for to hire and pay them to come
and actually do that study. Arthrex is one employer. And there's going
to be -- whenever you have a percentage like that, there's going to be
individual employers who have a higher percentage of folks that live
out of town.
Arthrex's main 300,000-square-foot facility in Ave Maria is easier
to be accessed by Lehigh Acres and come in through Immokalee and
29 and 82 than it is to necessarily come from Collier, so...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Twenty-five percent of the school
-- the employees of the school board live outside the county.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's -- that I'm aware of. I'm
just -- I was keyed in on the global study that was done by ULI that did
say that out loud with regard to our population of workforce.
And if we start to segment the individual employers and their
percentages one way or the other, that's -- I think that's another slippery
slope that we're heading down with -- similar to the cost burdening.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well -- and I respect your
opinion, I just respectfully disagree with it, because the largest
employer in Collier County is the school board; 25 percent of their
workforce lives outside the county. Perhaps, arguably, the second
largest which is Arthrex; they employee about 3,000 people, according
to John Schmieding; 30 percent of their workforce lives outside Collier
County. They would like that workforce here.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, we would all like the
workforce here, Commissioner Taylor. There's no discussion with
regard to having more people here. The argument with regard to
ancillary income that comes from folks living here, working here,
buying their groceries here, entertaining themselves here is a positive.
There's no argument there.
And whether the percentage is 15 percent or 30 percent, irrespect
-- it should be a motive of our board to incentivize employers to have
employees here.
But in regard to your statement about the school board, the school
board is an independent taxing district that owns its real estate that has
the capacity, if it so chooses, to assist with its own housing needs to
hire new teachers and actually has already been assisting with law
enforcement. You've seen those trailer units and things; mobile homes
show up on school properties and the like. There are a lot of
alternatives to assist with the school board's employment needs and
their housing that's along with it other than just ours.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Are we comfortable with the 85 percent
number? The staff's comfortable with this?
MR. GIBLIN: It's the opposite of the fact that I presented in the
beginning. It's -- I presented that 17.4 percent of the workforce
commutes. It's --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Right.
MR. GIBLIN: -- the opposite.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: It's the other side of that. Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I think we can learn from this, too,
because, as Mr. Schmieding said -- oh, I'm sorry.
As Mr. Schmieding said, you know, a lot of his employees travel
from Lee County, but they're located right there near the Lee County
line. And the affordable housing or even moderate income housing
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that you can find is not in North Naples. So do they want to drive over
into Lee County, or do they want to drive down to East Naples? They
probably want to drive into Lee County because it's closer to their
place of employment. I'm guessing that that's the case.
I think that -- people don't actually have to live close to their job.
We all remember how we've seen things where people take trains to
work in the morning for an hour-and-a-half ride. But we think -- we
like to move them closer because we keep them off the roads a little bit
and allow the roads to be more functional.
But I think in this case, if we could incentivize housing to be built
in the North Naples area for moderate-income employees, maybe we
would be able to house more of them up there. I don't know.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. I think the next was --
Commissioner Saunders was next.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. What is the practical
effect of keeping the original definition or transferring -- or adopting
the new recommendation? I assume all it's going to do is change some
of these numbers here --
MR. GIBLIN: It does.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- which are targets anyway.
MR. GIBLIN: It does. If you were to remove cost burdened as a
factor, you would eliminate Column 10, and that 1,400 would come
out of the remaining need.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. So that 1,400 would
come out of which column?
MR. GIBLIN: The final 1,665.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So that would leave you with a
need of only 200 units?
MR. GIBLIN: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So --
MR. GIBLIN: Which would only address new entrants to the
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community and not address folks who already live here.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: They're already here.
MR. GIBLIN: But they are cost burdened. They're living here
unaffordably, is what the model suggests.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, just as you're contemplating this,
and I don't mean to interrupt, but I'd like Cormac just to briefly
comment on the 30 percent and the cost burden as a metric; it's not a
local metric or something that we came up with. The origin of that,
please.
MR. GIBLIN: Well, as we just went through in the definition,
that's where the 30 percent comes from as a universal definition of
what it is to be affordable.
And so this cost-burdened metrics is a national -- a national
metrics that's is used by Fannie Mae, and it is this -- it's put out in
Florida by the Shimberg Center for Affordable Housing at the
University of Florida, and we are directed by the legislature to use the
data from the Shimberg Center in the creation of our housing -- of how
the counties address housing.
MR. OCHS: So if you believe -- or if you don't want to use this
as a basis for a demand model, then you have to either come up with
some other basis to identify demand, or you just want to say that
whatever it is today it is, because I don't know how you pick a target
without some basis for identifying the demand, if you believe there's a
demand. You know, that's the other side of the argument. If it's okay
to be cost burdened at any level, then we may not need to, you know,
even have a demand model.
MR. GIBLIN: I can say that our committee, that -- both the
AHAC and the Workforce Housing Advisory Committee adopted this
model, in particular, because it segments the need by income level. So
whereas there may be a supply or a lack of need at some incomes, it
definitely shows remaining need at other incomes, and they liked the
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way that it targeted exactly what kind of units, what price points, and
what occupations and salaries those units need to be made to
accommodate.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And this demand model
ultimately has an impact on our LDC in terms of --
MR. GIBLIN: It does not directly feed into any incentive
program. It is here for the Board's consideration as data to consider
when making future decisions.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And this is the model that's
generally being used by other communities at this point? I mean,
you've said that it's been recommended, but have you seen this being
used in other communities?
MR. GIBLIN: We haven't. There is no -- there is no
level-of-service-type metrics when it comes to evaluating the need for
affordable housing. We've created this based on population growth and
cost burden, which are the two major drivers of your housing needs.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I take exception to that.
You're representing that statute requires us to include cost burdening
into this calculation of our housing need, and it's not part of the statute.
You represented it in the executive summary, and I applauded you for
adjusting the definitions to state requisites, but this can shed a different
light on the true need and what the board by policy needs to do as it's
gone through. And I'm not debating this.
And, again, Commissioner Saunders, you brought it up. This is a
target for us, but I really want us to give consideration to accuracy.
And if we are -- if we are bringing in -- we could maybe include cost
burdening in a separate segment of our decision-making policies as
opposed to utilizing it in a housing need plan. I don't want to disavow
cost burdening. But Commissioner Fiala brought up an amazing point
that I hadn't even thought of, and that is some people choose to be cost
burdened. And so that data can -- that could skew this plan which
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would then force the policymakers to make decisions that aren't
necessarily the best.
MR. GIBLIN: Yeah. I can clarify a couple things. I didn't mean
to say that the legislature directs us to use cost burdened as a metrics.
I'm saying -- in fact, the legislature is silent on how you measure.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Completely silent, and that's
one of the clarifications I want --
MR. GIBLIN: What the legislature does, though, is fund and
recommend use of the data from the Shimberg Center as counties look
for sources of data to make informed decisions.
The issue of folks who are voluntarily cost burdened, I think that
it's important to look at the income ranges where we show the most
need. I think that might be prevalent when people have other options,
but at the income ranges we're specifically trying to target, I don't
know if you'll find it that prevalent people voluntarily being cost
burdened.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Let me just make one comment, and I
know you're next.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, no. Go ahead.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Because I'm looking at the chart and, one,
I think there's a difference if you're making $100,000. There's a
difference in choosing to be cost burdened if you're making $100,000
as opposed to when you're making 50-.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Amen.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Number two, the way I read this chart, if
you look at Columns 12 and 13, the available units, I mean, some
people, clearly, in the county do not have the option not to be cost
burdened, right?
MR. GIBLIN: (Nods head.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I mean, this is what this says.
MR. GIBLIN: Correct.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: In the extremely low, very low and, really,
to the extent of the low, you don't really have an option because there's
hardly anything available. I think this is -- this is -- for me, this is the
issue that we're talking about.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right. But if we were to
eliminate Column 8 -- forgive me if I'm -- I don't mean to interrupt,
Mr. Chairman. If we were to eliminate Column 8, it would add in the
necessity of units in those lower income brackets.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Is --
MR. OCHS: For future growth.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: For future growth, but the people --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: -- that are here --
MR. OCHS: That's why I say, I think your assumption is that
everybody that's here, living here is satisfied with what they're
spending on their housing.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And so, therefore, then, if
they're not, they have to rely upon future growth in order to be able to
change those conditions.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Future growth of what?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Future growth of units,
development, units that are, in fact, available. We're -- I think I'm
saying the same thing. Maybe I'm not.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I don't think so. I don't think -- anyway.
Are you finished? Because Commissioner Taylor's light's been on for
quite a while.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, when you please, our public
speaker does want to comment at this point after Commissioner
Taylor.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. You want to wait?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, I'll wait.
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MS. LEFKOW: Lisa Lefkow, Habitat for Humanity. Though I
don't want to speak on behalf of Habitat for Humanity but only to just
share that, as a mortgage underwriter, it is industry standard -- and if
we have any bankers in the audience, they could speak to this as well.
It is industry standard that a loan would need to meet that 30 percent or
under qualification in order for it to be a healthy loan.
So as we're looking at affordability, that's important. Across the
broad spectrum, whether you're making a million dollars a year or
whether you're making $50,000 a year, that affordability of having a
loan -- this is part of what got us into a lot of trouble in underwriting
sub-prime loans, that we were writing loans that were not affordable.
So we weren't taking into consideration that 30 percent ratio.
So I just wanted to throw that in there as -- it is absolutely best
practice and an industry standard for affordability. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think the issue that -- if we don't
-- if we don't weave in the cost-burdened aspect in the idea that without
-- without a program whereby we encourage workforce housing at this
-- or affordable housing at the same time, we leave it to the market, and
the market has shown that it's not very sympathetic to anybody that
doesn't make a lot of money in Collier County, and it seems to be
continuing in that way.
So I think this is something that we need to proceed slowly, but I
don't understand why an assessment of what is cost burdened is such a
bad thing. I think that folks that -- I think it's true that someone
making a lot of money, you know, can kind of take the gamble, but I
can tell you that I know many, many families that it's not where they
want to be.
And I think it's very important in this conversation about cost
burden that we do listen to -- we do listen to what the feet (sic) are
doing, which is 25 percent of the school, the largest employer in
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Collier County, they live outside of Collier County; the largest
employer -- private employer, Arthrex, 30 percent of those workforce,
and know that both of these entities were involved for two years in this
process. This isn't something that just suddenly came up because ULI
was here. ULI kind of put the icing on the cake, but the cake was
baking for two years with basic Collier County data.
It's a big -- it was -- but it was, you know -- and I'm not saying
this in a derogatory way. It was before you were elected. It doesn't
mean that you aren't aware of it. And you may have been involved
with it in Immokalee, I don't know that, because it was a countywide
program.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: May I address her, or do you
want to just let this go?
This cake's been baking for 35 years that I've lived in this
community. The dynamics of the community, the demographics of the
community, they come and they go and they change.
The advent of ULI coming to our community to do a study, in
fact, proved what necessarily those of us that have lived here for a long
time, been involved in the real estate business, been involved in the
banking business, been involved in the community already knew. We
do not have an affordable housing crisis. They said it.
We have a housing-affordability issue that could become a crisis
if we don't take certain actions. All I'm asking for today is for us to
give consideration to not adding in a non-statutorily required
estimation of those that are cost burdened to see how that impacts this
model.
And if you want to pass this thing for now and at least let me have
a look at before we move into the LDC process, fine. I've actually
suggested, Commissioner Taylor, that we give consideration to the
cost-burdening segment in a separate portion of this as opposed to the
overall housing demand model that our staff's utilizing that's going to
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come back to us as policymakers.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I will respond by saying,
when ULI was here, when we were all here, and they said it wasn't a
crisis, one of the largest employers in Collier County and highly
respected employer stood and up said, it's a crisis. And when I heard
that is when I got very involved, because I'm not -- I'm not hearing -- I
heard this from an employer, Al Reynolds, in the back of the room,
stood and up said it's a crisis. I'm listening to employers. I'm your
representative on the economic development and, by gosh, we want
companies to stay here.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, certainly, we do, and
hopefully you're not representing that I don't listen to employers. I
don't think that's even -- I hope that's not part of this conversation.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well -- and on that note I just --
just one moment. If we could put the letter on the visualizer. I'd like
to read a letter from Mike Boose who works for --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Arthrex.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- Arthrex, and he wrote this this
morning.
For early mid-career professionals, logistics and manufacturing,
we need housing, condo or private residence, in approximately 15- to
1,800 square feet range, either twos -- 2/2s or 3/2s starting in the low
200s.
While still a significant stretch for many employees -- while still a
stretch for many employees, it is likely the best we can hope for given
the local market. Additional density, two- to three-story apartments
and condos could be very helpful given the overall lack of available
building spaces. More available units in the 1,000 to $1,500 range
would be very valuable especially if roommates are allowed, splitting
monthly cost. There it is, gentlemen and lady.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. I think we've got Commissioner
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Saunders now, and then I'd like to move forward and, if there's a
motion to be made, to have a motion made at least on this model that
we're discussing.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And that's what I intend to do.
Do we have any other speakers on this particular issue? I think we had
the one that's taken care of.
MR. MILLER: No, that's it at this point.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make
a motion that we accept the model that's been presented. When this
comes back, though, to have a comparison of what this model does
compared to the old model just for purposes of consideration. But I
prefer moving forward with this model as presented by staff.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion. Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, point of clarification.
Accepting's not approving.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If I need to say "accepting"
other than "approving," that's fine. I'm just trying to move the process.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll amend that motion just to
accept the staff recommendation as opposed to approving.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I can live with that, because I
think I heard you also say that we'd at least get a comparison to
removing cost burdening out and seeing the impacts that --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'm down with that.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I included that because I
think it's a good conversation, but I just want to send the message that
we're --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Any other discussion?
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. So, in other words, what you're
saying when it's brought back to us, you want to see it with cost
burdened and without cost burdened and see what the difference of the
two is; is that what you're saying?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah, just for that
conversation. But I prefer this, and that's why I've made the motion to
accept this model but to come back with the additional information
when this comes back.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's been a motion and a second. All
in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: 4-1. Thank you.
MR. GIBLIN: Okay.
MR. OCHS: Do you want to take a lunch break?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: And I think we need another -- lunch
break and a break for our court reporter, so we'll return back at 1:05.
(A luncheon recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Very good. So I think we're now onto the
next section.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
MR. GIBLIN: Yeah. We're continuing with Item 11A. Again,
for the record, I'm Cormac Giblin.
We'll start now on the third recommendation in this pack of
housing plan implementation recommendation is for the Board to
adopt a resolution that was set as a policy to advocate support and
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authorize the county's lobbyists to support current and future state and
federal legislation as identified by county, the staff, or the lobbyist, that
authorizes additional funding for affordable housing incentives.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'd like to make a motion.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And a second.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- to support that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries unanimously.
MR. GIBLIN: All right. The fourth item in this list is to adopt a
policy resolution that would consider housing that is affordable in
future public land acquisitions. It would read "to address the growing
need for housing that is affordable, that public properties now owned
by the county or to be acquired by the county in the future be
considered for use as affordable housing or for the collocation of
affordable housing and public facilities." This policy was
recommended to you as part of the housing -- Community Housing
Plan. The stakeholders did peer research with other communities
around the nation and found that this was a, quote-unquote, best
practice to move forward.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And could you point out where
some of these properties are located, please.
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MR. GIBLIN: Well, we already do have a policy that addresses
your currently -- currently owned lands --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Right.
MR. GIBLIN: -- once a year to address them for the suitability
for affordable housing.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But those are the three in East
Naples, right?
MR. GIBLIN: There are two that you recently put out for a
request for information process. One was the future Manatee site. The
other is the Bembridge PUD on Santa Barbara.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Right. Isn't there a third one?
MR. GIBLIN: No, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Is there any more that we
own?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: That was the Grey Oaks one, I think.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, that was the Grey Oaks one,
but they put that to bed real quickly.
So what -- where else do we own property?
MR. GIBLIN: We don't. We've already done that assessment.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, how about the 6Ls? Oh, we
don't own that.
MR. GIBLIN: Those two properties were the ones that came out
of the assessment of your current inventory. What this policy would
do is looking forward, as the Board were to acquire new properties,
now that you just simply look at, would it make sense to collocate
housing that is affordable within those sites with those uses or adjacent
lands.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Now, let me ask you, we had talked
about incentives a while back, and one of the things I thought, as long
as we have properties, we could incentivize to build better housing,
because it would be our property, and we've been -- and mostly it just
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goes into low income. Like in North Naples, they're going to have a
thousand new jobs within the next two years just with the two
companies, Arthrex, 560 jobs, and between Alfie Oaks' place, 450
jobs. A thousand right there.
Now, you don't want to put them all down here, because they all
have to drive back and forth, and it would be an impact on our roads.
You would want to put them there closer to their jobs. But we don't
own any land there. What do you do about people -- about those
people who need some housing right there and better housing?
I don't know about Alfie Oaks' place. He might need more lower
income but, certainly -- certainly Arthrex needs higher income, and it
would be an opportunity for us to incentivize if we own something, but
we don't.
MR. GIBLIN: I think that's exactly the purpose of this policy
would be that as the county looks to acquire more properties, wherever
they are for whatever use, that you also evaluate could they be
additional sites for housing. Whether it be a new library going up off
north Livingston or a new park or a new water management area,
whatever the use might be, that you also look at including affordable
housing or housing that's affordable.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Would this be appropriate for
us to have discussions about -- Commissioner Taylor and I were
talking about the schools and the fire districts, all of which are
independent taxing authorities. Could we as a board policy adopt this
type of language for all government entities, or --
MR. OCHS: I don't think we have jurisdiction over those.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I know we don't have any
jurisdiction, but if we directed policy that this was a path that should be
followed. We're not the only ones. And if this was a shared
experience with other taxing authorities as our policy, then we might
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be able to incentivize -- because they've got to come to us to get their
zoning approval, correct?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Not the school district.
MR. OCHS: Not for school.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, the school district doesn't,
right. But the fire department.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Not for schools, but for bus barns and
--
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It was just a thought.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So wouldn't that fall under collocation of
affordable housing and public facilities? I mean, that would be --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Kind of.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Collocation means --
MR. OCHS: Yes, but, you know, for properties that you own.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's only for us. This is not for
the school board or the fire district. But anyway, I'll move for
approval.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion and a second. Any
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries unanimously.
MR. GIBLIN: All right. Commissioners, the next
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recommendation in this set is to amend the Affordable Housing
Density Bonus Program. We're seeking -- again, this is one of -- this
item is seeking just direction to move forward with a future Land
Development Code and Growth Management Plan amendment to
increase the affordable housing density bonus from the currently
available eight extra units per acre to up to 12 extra units per acre.
This would allow the developers of affordable housing to reach the
county's full maximum density; whereas, right now it doesn't quite get
them there.
This slide on the left-hand side shows the current program. It
offers up to eight bonus units per acre. They're based on a sliding scale
based on the affordability commitment. It requires a 15-year
affordability period, and it creates a lower ceiling on density for
affordable housing than is available for other residential use in the
county.
So we're suggesting to fine tune this program to increase it to the
12 units per acre. When added to the base density, that would still
remain under your 16 units to the acre maximum density cap. It would
put housing that is affordable on a level playing field with other
available residential units that can maximum that 16 units to the acre
today.
It would -- we are proposing to increase the affordability period
from 15 years out to 30 years for compliance, and this does not change
any of the public hearings, approval processes, or notice requirements
that the properties currently have to go through.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Bill was first.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. I have a thought, and I've
talked with staff about -- well, Leo and Nick. I haven't talked with you
all that much, Cormac, which I want to. But I think that the idea of
extending the affordability period is a nice idea, but I think it only does
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the inevitable, which is kick the can down the road for the true need
when we really don't have a clue as to what the need will be 30 years
from now.
We regularly, since I've been on this board in the short time, 14
months, have seen housing units that were designated as affordable roll
off and into the free marketplace; thereby, then, no longer being
affordable.
And so I would like to see an effort -- and I know there's a
balance because there's supply and demand and there's a marketplace
and there's resistance from the development community. But I would
like to see some in perpetuity with these affordable housing density
bonuses so that we --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Say that again.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I would like to --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: For density bonus?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. If a density bonus -- I
would like consideration to be given that if a density bonus is given for
housing affordabilities, that we're now calling it, that those density
bonuses would be bequeathed with lifetime deed-restrictive covenants.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So affordability period would go
from 15 to perpetuity?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, something along those
lines. And at least, minimally, for us to have a discussion there. I
mean, it certainly -- I think it's a little easier in the rental marketplace --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- but I would like for us to at
least give some credence to it even in the ownership side just because
all we're doing's kicking the can down the road. The land costs go up,
the impact fees go up, the cost of construction goes up, not necessarily
commensurate with the wage and the like.
And 30 years from now, when these units roll out, we've got a
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whole new set of demographics that we're not -- there's no way we can
actually estimate that population.
So I'll move to move this forward, but I would like some credence
given to that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. First of all, with that -- and I
respect that, but then people's property values raise anyway, you know,
whether you like it or not. So even if it's raised, then, out of the
affordability level, they're still considered affordable, so then the
people couldn't sell their houses to somebody else. I think that that's
going to be a problem. I know --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well -- and I don't necessarily
know that it isn't going to be a problem. What I do know is we do
have a problem now and that there is -- or there is an issue, not
necessarily a problem. And that under the current circumstances, these
properties roll off the tax rolls or roll off the affordable housing list,
and then we're relegated into a new land cost, a new impact fee, a new
construction cost, which are significantly higher than they were 15
and, in this proposition, 30 years ago, and we still have that same
mandated need to supply.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And you're right. I liken it to Naples
Manor. They've been affordable for at least 40 years, right, if not
longer than that. Although they're not counted anymore as affordable;
they're considered regular housing. And so that isn't in our accepted or
approved stock anymore even though -- well, we've got a lot of them in
this area.
So I don't know, though, if that would hurt the homeowners who
might want to improve their quality of life and change to a different
area but now they can't sell their house because it remains affordable.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And without a lot of
discussion, I had a conversation with a seated councilman from New
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Jersey last year, last spring, and they have similar demographics in
their community, and there was -- and housing prices as well, and they
established an income-restricted housing type, and they delineated
specific professions with specific income levels and then tied deed
restrictions to that income restriction, and then -- so that if you are a
schoolteacher -- because you have to remember, if you're, to use the
example, a schoolteacher that is provided a home that is affordable
through one of our programs and you do increase your level of income
and want to move away, then you're required to sell it to another
first-time teacher coming in with a certain level of appreciation. And
we do have that in our current code. You know, I think there was a 5
percent appreciation allowance within our current ordinances and code.
So similar process there.
I just -- I would like for us to add some longer-term processes to
what we have going on and not have this revolving door rolling out
and then future boards are burdened with a need for the community.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, that one -- because I don't
think I could even comment any more than I've just done because I'd
have to study that one, too.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: There's so many things. I have to
understand what the ramifications are. So let me go on to my two other
questions.
First of all, we've been talking about limiting density because of
our road system, and we can't widen any of these roads anymore in
these older sections of town, and even in the new sections we have
that. So I'm concerned about limiting.
And, thirdly, where do the mobile homes fit into this? We have a
lot of mobile home parks, but I don't know where they fit into this
whole thing.
MR. GIBLIN: Mobile homes were included in the methodology
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that you adopted this morning. The mobile home count is included in
that methodology.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We approved it. We did not
adopt it.
MR. GIBLIN: Okay. Specifically in this recommendation on
density bonus --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. GIBLIN: -- it is applicable to those residential units that
seek a density bonus through a rezone or a PUD.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. Because those are mostly
lower income and I would have to say, for my area, anyway, seniors.
We have a lot of senior housing there. But I didn't know where that
would all apply.
MR. GIBLIN: And, Commissioners, I should have mentioned at
the beginning of the presentation that your Community Housing Plan
has about 20 or 25 total recommendations. We've blocked that up into
kind of bite-sized chunks. Today you're getting the first six.
So we have other sets of recommendations that we plan to bring
to you in the coming months that are going to address lots of different
things.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Will they address more of the
question that I just had about mobile homes?
MR. GIBLIN: Sure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Because right now I'm on a
speaker circuit, and I'm speaking to the mobile home parks as well.
And there's a lot of people in them. And so I just wanted to find out
where that sits. In fact, if you want to just come in and explain to me
-- because it says -- it refers them nowhere in here, okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel, I like
your idea. I was told, though, many years ago by a city attorney there's
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no such thing as perpetuity in law. So I always kind of smile at that
one. But, clearly --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We're learning that on the golf
course there in Golden Gate, aren't we?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But the concept of at least 50
years or more, I think, is a common one in communities, I'm
understanding. And I've spoken to a couple of folks who are a lot
more knowledgeable than I am in this.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: The land-use attorney on the
other side of you is there going --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Is it?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: What? I don't know about
what other communities are doing. I thought 30 years was a
reasonable restriction. And I agree, we shouldn't say in perpetuity,
even though it does have meaning. That's just a long time, obviously
and --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Can we quote you on that?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Somebody write that down.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: But I thought 30 years was a
reasonable number, quite frankly. But, again, we're not casting
anything in stone. If we accept this recommendation, obviously, we're
going to be dealing with it longer, and maybe the County Attorney can
-- or staff can let us know what other communities are doing. But I
just thought 30 years was a -- that's kind of the useful -- I think that's
getting close to the useful life of an apartment building.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I did want to correct, it
was "accept" that methodology, not "approve" it by the way.
Commissioner Saunders said it appropriately.
MR. GIBLIN: Commissioners, on the 15, 30, 50, or in
perpetuity, a couple things to keep in mind is that this is a voluntary
program. This is when someone voluntarily comes to Collier County
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and says, I wanted to build affordable housing. And so it may be
prudent to remember how much you tighten the screws on a voluntary
program that people aren't exactly banging down the door to get in
right now.
The 50 years lines up -- it does happen to coincide with -- most of
these, in a practical sense, are going to be your low-income housing
tax credit rental developments that get the state housing tax credit
vouchers. Those come with them a 50-year requirement that they meet
the affordability requirements of the state. So if you were looking for
somewhere in the middle, 50 would line up with what, in practicality,
most of them are used to doing already.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Owner occupied -- say, for instance,
you're in a neighborhood and everybody's fixing their place up and
mowing their lawns, and it's looking pretty good, and they're taking
some pride in their community, and they've increased their value of
their house. Still they have to sell it at low income even though they
could, you know, have a benefit of property values increasing?
MR. GIBLIN: They do not. On the owner-occupied side, you
have a choice. You can either sell it to someone else who qualifies at
the income level, or you can sell on the open market, but as a penalty
for that, your appreciation is going to be capped at 5 percent per year,
and then 50 percent of that goes to the county.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So then they won't be able to get
ahead and use their property values to --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: But you also have to remember
they received the benefit of the low price in the beginning. This isn't to
offer them an opportunity for a reduction in an acquisition price and
then a windfall later on down the road. This is an opportunity to allow
for people of lesser income to be able to afford to purchase a home and
live in Collier County. And that's the -- that was my rationale with
allowing it for a longer term was to not allow for that windfall to come
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at a later date.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's a different paradigm.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Is there a motion?
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, the one registered speaker we had,
Lisa Lefkow, did want to comment on this section.
MS. LEFKOW: Thank you. Lisa Lefkow, again, Habitat for
Humanity.
Again, I'm not necessarily speaking on behalf of Habitat, but only
to thank you for at least hearing this item and being open to the
advantages of the density bonus program.
Within the Habitat program, density is something that we
consider very carefully. Higher density is not necessarily what we're
always going to go after; however, it is one of the many
recommendations that you'll be hearing from the Housing Department
that is an incentive for others to come and join us in helping to stop the
gap and stand in to provide primarily, as Cormac has already
identified, rental apartment units which we are in desperate need of,
and particularly rental apartment units that can be affordable to those
making a more moderate income.
So I really want to encourage you to look at this as an incentive
for those that are making a little bit more money that are here that need
to be able to get into someplace affordable so that they can join our
workforce and live locally.
So thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, I'll make a
motion to accept the staff recommendation. This will come back with
the 30 years, but we may want to change it to 50 years after we hear
some more discussion about that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion and second. Any other
discussion?
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, no. I just think it's going to be a
burden on the families that would be buying them and be unable to sell
them.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. That's a no.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Motion carries 4-1.
MR. GIBLIN: And, Commissioners, the last recommendation we
have for you today in this set is to amend your expedited permitting
and fast-track procedure for housing that is affordable. We currently
do have a fast-track procedure for applicants looking to get building
permits, land development issues, rezonings, PUDs. It establishes a
120-, 60-, and 75-business-day approval expectation. The 120 is for a
rezone, the 60 is for a Site Development Plan, and the 70 is for a
building permit.
It creates specific timelines that each reviewer has within to turn
around their reviews and issue either an approval or a rejection, but it
does not limit the number of subsequent reviews that a particular item
can go through. So we find these cycles where projects get denied and
denied, denied, go through this 120-, 60-, 75- or 15-, 7-, 25- cycle
several times. Before you know it, several, several months have gone
by.
So, again, what we are suggesting here for this item is some
fine-tuning of our existing procedure. It would allow for initial
submission, then comments received back, and then a resubmission.
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After that it would require a project review meeting after a second
rejection to speed up the process and save money.
It would allow discrepancies to be corrected and public hearings
scheduled, but it does not change any of the public hearing, approval,
or notice requirements of any development permit.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Thank you.
Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm assuming Mr. Cormac and
County Manager, that I mean, you vetted this fully with staff and
everybody's on board for this; is that correct?
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right. I make a motion to
accept -- accept -- the amendment of No. 6, amending the expedited
permit fast-track procedure.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and second.
Commissioner McDaniel, discussion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. Just as a point of
discussion and a question, this doesn't take away any of the rights of
the public to speak in the initial processes for the approval. This is
basically fast tracking after we've gone through the public hearing
processes and the community neighbors have had opportunity to speak.
MR. GIBLIN: Correct. All neighborhood meetings, all
advertisements, all public meetings with the Planning Commission and
the Board still remain as they are.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We had a public speaker that
expressed a concern with regard to the fast-tracking aspect, and I
wanted to assure them that my understanding is this is after the public
process. It's not during the approval process. It's the public input.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, but it's also the -- for example, the
review of a PUD, it's the staff's review time period.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sure.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: But the public -- so it might be before a
public hearing --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: -- but --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We're not taking away any of
the public's opportunity --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- to participate in these
processes --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- in an effort to expedite them.
I just wanted to make that clear.
MR. OCHS: Correct.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I just -- I have to tell you again,
I haven't had the ability or the time to meet with my advisors. It's hard
for me to vote on any of these things. You see, my area is going to be
affected the most out of everybody's, and -- well, yeah, but you don't
have as much as we have, you know.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Not yet.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, and you have to be careful of
that, because we hear it's coming.
But, anyway, so, you know, I'm here to try and allow us to try and
get a quality of life commensurate of everybody else's, and that would
be nice for my people. I don't know if that will happen, and I don't
know if these are -- if these will help us or continue the slide that we're
already on. So I cannot vote for -- I cannot vote yes for this. And I'm
still going to have the people come and meet with me. As you said,
this is coming back. I just have to have people a lot smarter than me
talking to me and telling me right or wrong or good or bad or it will
help or won't help, and I can't do that myself. So, as I say, I have to not
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vote for this. Vote no.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. So there's a motion and a second.
All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Me.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. The motion carries 4-1.
MR. GIBLIN: All right. Then, Commissioners, that's the
conclusion of this item. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
Item #11B
RESOLUTION 2018-41: RECOMMENDATION TO EVALUATE
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CONSERVATION
COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION ADVISORY COMMITTEE
(CCLAAC) BY REVIEWING THE ATTACHED DRAFT
RESOLUTION AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND THE
CCLAAC REGARDING THE USE OF PROGRAM CRITERIA
ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSERVATION COLLIER
ACQUISITION SELECTION PROCESS IN THE CURRENT
NINTH ACQUISITION CYCLE, FUTURE POTENTIAL CYCLES,
AND REGARDING THE CONSERVATION COLLIER
ORDINANCE, ORD. 2002-63, AS AMENDED – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, we move on to Item 11B. This is a
recommendation for the Board to review the draft resolution regarding
the criteria used for Conservation Collier Land Acquisitions in the
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Ninth Acquisition Cycle and also to direct the Board on any changes in
the criteria that you would like to see for future cycles and, Barry
Williams, your division director for Parks and Recreation, will begin
the presentation.
MR. WILLIAMS: Commissioners, good afternoon. Barry
Williams, Parks and Recreation director.
This item just -- I guess I wanted to start with just some opening
comments and let you know that staff in -- in our staff we have a
high-quality staff with Conservation Collier. Alex Sulecki has
operated that program for several years with Christal Segura and
Melissa Henning. They do a tremendous job in managing the 4,090
acres, the 19 preserves that we have. And I'd want you to know that
Alex and her team have received numerous awards and recognition in
the State of Florida for the work they do in Collier County and are
highly respected in what they do in terms of their land management.
So just with that said, you know, the process of making decisions
and selection related to preserves -- and part of what we dealt with is
when the 10-year period ended and there was a need for us to stop
acquiring parcels, her group continued to work with the Conservation
Collier Land Acquisition Committee to continue the process of that
land management. When they stopped acquiring properties, there were
properties that were remaining on the list, as you're aware.
And I had a handout that I wanted to put on the visualizer, if I
could. And this just shows in the gray area the A and B listed
properties when this review ended in 2011. So you can see the
properties in question. And a couple properties of note to mention
relate to Red Maple Swamp and Winchester Head. And part of the
acquisition where folks, through the Land Development Code have
sought either through donation, monetary donation, there have been
parcels that have been acquired to continue that -- that area and
finalizing that.
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And, again, part of the conversation has been in terms of land
management for those particular properties, you know. As you recall,
it's a matrix of properties. Some we own; some we don't. And as you
acquire those properties, the land management costs are nominal. If
you have a property right next to the other in terms of exotic removal
or not, it doesn't make sense to remove exotics on your property and let
you -- in adjoining (sic). So these have been wise purchases that,
through that Land Development Code, we've been able to continue to
acquire some of these properties.
But you can also see, then, the area that's not in gray. These are
the parcels that -- as we receive direction to continue to take
applications and look at potentially restarting the program, you can see
the properties that staff have evaluated. And the evaluation process --
and we mention in the executive summary -- is a two-step process.
There's the initial evaluation and then the ranking process that we're
bringing to you on April 24th, and we'll bring you those properties in
total with a ranking.
So I know one of the questions that staff have in terms of us
bringing these parcels forward -- as you know, there's $32 million that
are set aside, and it creates interest income that we use to manage our
existing properties. When you do the simple math, I mean, our
operating budget for this year for Conservation Collier is roughly
$700,000. So if you divide that by the number of acres you have under
management, that's roughly $172 per acre in terms of cost associated
with that land management.
What I would tell you is, in actuality, there are variances to those
land management costs, as you can imagine. We look at the variety of
properties that we have. Some have higher costs than others
depending on the circumstances in the property. And Alex is here, and
she can explain any of those if you have questions about those.
But in looking at that in terms of what it costs to manage
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properties in Conservation Collier, you know, what I would tell you is
that the staff have done a tremendous job in their ability to manage.
They have a very -- staff that's -- we have three staff members. We
just hired one. And so when you compare that across the State of
Florida, they do an excellent job in that.
With all that said, as we were talking with County Manager about
this selection and this process coming forward, there became a
question about looking at the criteria. Are there ways that we can
tweak this criteria in ways that we bring this ninth cycle forward? And
part of conversations that we've had with you over the last couple of
weeks -- I wanted to kind of put up a slide, if I could.
We heard a lot of different ideas in terms of how we could
improve the process. And this item that we have before you today is
actually a resolution that we're using as an example of how we could,
with the current ordinance and the criteria associated with the
selection, put weights on the criteria in order to make better decisions
as we have conversations with you with these rankings.
One of the things that we've recognized in the 16 years of
Conservation Collier is that, as board compositions has changed, there
are different expectations and focuses, area of focuses that people
have. And so the thought is, if you had this resolution, before you
enter a cycle of applications and selection, agreeing on a particular
resolution and weighed criteria associated with that upcoming cycle.
With that said, what we're suggesting and recommending to you
is that this is a vehicle that you could use for future cycles. Our
recommendation is that you don't apply it for the ninth cycle.
You do have an ordinance that gives you criteria that establishes
how these properties have been selected, applied, as well as ranked in
this ABC method. You'll have that opportunity when we bring them
forward to you on the 24th to look at that process, understand in totally
what that means, and look and give us direction in terms of what you'd
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like to do as far as moving those recommendations forward.
So we're saying to you, you have a mechanism to do something in
future cycles. We're recommending that you not do that in this ninth
cycle. And what we'd ask for you is for us to bring forward -- allow us
to bring forth those applications for the ninth cycle April 24th and look
at those with us and give us some direction.
So with that said, that's basically my presentation. And certainly,
if you have any questions, myself or Alex are here to answer.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I just want to tell you, you've
done a great job, just a great job; bless your heart. And it's not been
easy sometimes. This is written very well. This tells you that the land
-- I know a lot of people have been fighting the fact that we're buying
land that nobody else would ever use and so forth, but it's with a
purpose, and it's a purpose to preserve our future water sources in
perpetuity, I'll use that word, because that is exactly what we need.
And they join up to CREW, which is so important.
And I just think, as much as I'd love to see some in the urban area,
I think it's very important to always keep our eye focused on things
that we can't see but we know are going to benefit all of our people in
the future. I'm solidly before it.
And if I'm allowed to, I'll even make a motion to approve.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So there's a motion.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry. I have one registered
speaker on this item.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: And Commissioner Daniel's light was on
as well. So we'll get --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Go ahead and have the public
speaker. My -- remember your system was locking up. Mine just
started spinning, and I can't get to my notes.
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MR. MILLER: Our registered speaker is Meredith Barnard from
the Conservancy.
MS. BARNARD: Good afternoon, Commissioners. Thank you
for having me speak here today. My name is Meredith Barnard on
behalf of the Conservancy of Southwest Florida. I also want to thank
staff. We have enjoyed collaborating with them and are thankful for
all the work they do on this program.
We commented on these proposes changes that were brought
before the Board in November of last year, and nothing has changed,
really, in our position since then.
First, it is really important to understand that with no additional
funding beyond the 17 million that's been borrowed from the
management fund -- and the current application cycles are being
ranked based on the existing criteria -- we think it's a bit premature to
be discussing changes to be made to future cycles. Such future cycles
cannot move forward without a renewed source of funding. And
though we are hopeful Conservation Collier will be placed on a
referendum in 2020, on the ballot for referendum, excuse me, there is
no solid funding source at the moment.
With regard to giving certain criteria heavier weight than others,
we believe that this really, in effect, does limit the latitude that the
CCLAC has and Board has in making decisions. As each parcel
comes to you as it is currently, you have the ability to give weight to
the criteria on a parcel-by-parcel basis, and as do all the parcels get
moved forward to you at the Board, you will have that same privilege.
Knowing that, we think it's unnecessary to designate certain
criteria to be consistently weighted heavier than others. For example,
if a parcel becomes available in the urban area and has great potential
for recreational access, it's going to be ranked very, very highly, and it
doesn't need a special weighting system to achieve that high ranking.
Looking more closely at the ordinance, which I believe was also
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brought up in this item to enhance the program, like contribution to the
management fund changes and then looking at habitat classifications,
those certainly have merit, and the Conservancy is happy to look more
in depth into that and make recommendations to support that; however,
as I noted, since the Conservation Collier program does not have
additional guaranteed funding at the moment, we just feel it's not the
appropriate time to engage in that discussion.
The program has that 17 million to spend, and we are looking
forward to engaging with the CCLAC and staff and you-all in the
upcoming month in April when that's brought up to your consideration.
We encourage you today to take the same position that you did
back in November of last year and not move forward with the
proposed resolution to weigh the criteria. We also request that you
consider the other proposed changes at just a more appropriate time
when future cycles are imminent and they have a designated funding
source.
Thank you so much.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I got my notes back.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. I just -- a couple of
questions, Barry. And since Meredith just talked about it, I wanted to
make sure that the staff recommendation is to not adopt any of the
adjustments proposed in the ordinance in the backup data?
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. We're saying, basically, this is a
vehicle if you wish to do this, but we're not suggesting that you apply it
to the ninth cycle.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well -- so the suggestions in
the ordinance adjustments, we're not voting on those today. This is
only, leave the ordinance as it is now, pass the ninth cycle as per the
old ordinance, and then make the necessary adjustments to the
ordinance before the next cycle?
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MR. WILLIAMS: It's an option for you, yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's the option --
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- that I want to go.
Again -- and I really appreciate you taking a moment to share
with me -- because I've asked regularly the price per acre.
Commissioner Taylor and I have talked about this, about the on --
well, maybe she didn't realize she was talking with me about it, but
about the expenses associated with the ownership of conservation
lands.
Commissioner Taylor, you and I know of other data sources that
talk about the actual costs that are associated. And so this was a big
help today. This was the first time that I've got to see this from our
staff since we did it last year when we made the move to move 17
million out of the Trust Fund and into the acquisition side.
And just as a point of reference, that $15 million -- should the
entire 17 be spent, which it hasn't, that 15 million left will last us, at the
current 250-some-odd dollars an acre for the 4,000 some odd acres that
we own, it will last us almost 15 years.
So there is an opportunity for us to explore alternative funding
sources for the acquisition side. So as long as we're not adjusting the
ordinance per the suggestions that are in here and we're -- if the action
of -- the request of staff is to leave the Cycle 9 alone, I'm okay with
that.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I have concerns about the -- I
felt it was rather arbitrary to move the contribution from the
maintenance side from 15 percent to 20 percent when I didn't have full
knowledge of what the actual costs were associated with the land
holdings. I thought that was rather arbitrary. It's not. I'm sure you had
a plan. But I would like some further exploration there.
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MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I then had concerns -- and
I don't know specifically where it was, but with regard to the
extinguishment of development rights for lands purchased with
Conservation Collier money, I would like a little more latitude for our
Purchasing Department to be able to negotiate with those
developments rights or not.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Is that it?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, that's it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So there is a motion on the floor, and it
was a motion to approve the recommendations of the staff, right?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and a second. All
in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm opposed not because these are
very bad recommendations. It's just unnecessary to do right now. We
don't even know if Conservancy Collier's going to pass in three years
or four years, so -- but, you know, it's a framework. That's it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I'm sorry. Your light just came up. So it's
4-1; motion carries.
MR. OCHS: So you'll see the full list, then, in April of the Cycle
9 ranked acquisition recommendations.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Right; that we don't apply these
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recommendations to.
Item #11D
RECOMMENDATION TO RE-ESTABLISH THE “TICKETS TO
RIDE” PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO DEVELOP A
STANDARD USE AGREEMENT WITH WILLING ALL-TERRAIN
VEHICLE (ATV) RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR COLLIER
COUNTY CITIZENS TO USE THESE RECREATIONAL
AMENITIES IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA AT A COST NOT TO
EXCEED $20,000 AND CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH BIG
CYPRESS BASIN ON THE USE OF THE LAKE TRAFFORD SITE
FOR POTENTIAL USE AS AN ATV PARK – MOTION TO
CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, that takes us to Item 11D, and this is
a recommendation to re-establish the "Ticket to Ride" program and
authorize the staff to develop a standard-use agreement with providers
of ATV recreational services, and Mr. Williams will make the
presentation.
MR. WILLIAMS: Commissioners, Barry Williams, Parks and
Recreation director.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: One second. I think Commissioner
McDaniel would like to speak.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: If my colleagues would allow,
I would like to make a motion to continue this item to our next board
meeting. What are you looking at him for?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's all right to do that? Okay.
No. Because I knew you were going to recuse yourself.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Ultimately, when we get to
voting on it, yes.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But it's okay for --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Let me make the motion to
continue it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If you're going to recuse
yourself, you should --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, recuse yourself.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I thought that's what you were going to do.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll make a motion to continue
it to the next meeting.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and a second.
Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Do I need to recuse myself
from that?
MR. KLATZKOW: No.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
Did you want to speak on this one?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, not on this one; the one
before, and you ignored me, but that's all right.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: You jumped in anyway. You got your two
cents in.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Two pennies.
Item #11E
RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD INVITATION TO BID NO. 18-
7239 TO FERREIRA CONSTRUCTION SOUTHERN DIVISION
COMPANY, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,098,980 FOR THE
2018 WIGGINS PASS AND DOCTORS PASS DREDGING
PROJECTS, AUTHORIZE NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENTS, AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE
THE AGREEMENT, AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS ITEM
PROMOTES TOURISM – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11E is a recommendation to award bids for the
dredging of Wiggins Pass and Doctors Pass in the amount of
$2,098,980, which is the recommended lowest responsive bidder, and
Mr. McAlpin will make the presentation.
MR. McALPIN: Commissioners, I could either answer questions
or make a short presentation, whatever you wish.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Make a motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Was that a second? Did I hear a second?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and a second.
Any discussion? I've got one question.
MR. McALPIN: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: For somebody that doesn't know how
surveying and the dredging of these kinds of things works, how do you
mark the area that you're going to dredge that the permit covers?
MR. McALPIN: It's marked by -- it's obviously --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: You'll have --
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MR. McALPIN: -- it's identified by the permit, and we have --
the dredge, as we go through it, has GPS equipment on it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
MR. McALPIN: So the cutter head on the dredge (sic) always
has a GPS signal on it that identifies where it is on X, Y, and Z plain,
and that's how we stay in conformance.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah. And just because -- as you know,
there's residents up in Vanderbilt that are concerned that there's an area
just south of what the permit -- appears south of what the permit covers
that may present, at least in their mind, a hazard, and they were trying
to ask me how they would know whether or not, you know, the area
covered by the permit would cover this area in question right there just
south of the pass, and --
MR. McALPIN: Surely. We could stake that area out so that the
residents can see up to the south end. You're talking about the channel
that leads out to Water Turkey Bay --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Right, exactly.
MR. McALPIN: -- where that stops. We would be happy to
stake that area out so that the residents can see exactly where the
dredge template and the dredging permit stop.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I think that would be helpful, and it might
just be a safety issue, too. That way they would know -- if you weren't
making it all the way because it was outside of the permit, that they
would know that it might be a little shallow there.
MR. McALPIN: We'd be happy to do that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Great, thank you.
So there's a motion and a second. All in favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed? Aye -- any opposed?
Sorry. I'm sorry. I was voting in favor of it. I got ahead of myself.
No one opposed. So motion carries unanimously.
MR. McALPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Item #12A
RESOLUTION 2018-42: APPOINTING INITIAL MEMBERSHIP
TO THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE: CHARLES
HARTMAN (DISTRICT 1), MURRAY HENDEL (DISTRICT 2),
JOEL KESSLER (DISTRICT 3), THOMAS ALLEN LANSEN
(DISTRICT 4), JACQUELYN PIERCE (AT LARGE), LITHA
BERGER (AT LARGE), LARRY MAGEL (AT LARGE),
VICTORIA A. TRACY (AT LARGE), WITH DISTRICT 5 STILL
OPEN – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, we move to Item 12, County
Attorney's report. 12A is a recommendation to appoint the initial
membership of the Senior Advisory Committee.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How are we going to do this?
MR. KLATZKOW: My suggestion would be that we go in order
of district number with the commissioner of that district making a
nomination for the potential candidates. When we fill the commission
district seats, at that point in time we'll have four at-large members
from the remaining candidates. So it's starting off with District 1.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Doug Hartman, please.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Would we need a motion on each one?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I nominate Doug Hartman to
be my representative in District 1.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And forgive me, I hit -- I lit up
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this agenda item, and the Productivity Committee, which is the next
agenda item, is the one that lit up. So I'm sure it wasn't OE, operator
error.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sure it wasn't. Would you like to
look at mine?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'll second -- no. I'll
second your motion for District 1 just to move it along.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion by Commissioner Fiala
and a second by Commissioner McDaniel. All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Congratulations, Mr. Hartman, you're the
first one.
MR. KLATZKOW: And I'll highlight as --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And he's been patiently waiting
all day.
MR. KLATZKOW: -- we go so --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Be careful what you wish for.
MR. KLATZKOW: And I'll highlight as we go so you'll know
who the remaining candidates are. District 2.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I would move to appoint Murray Hendel
as the District 2 representative.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and a second.
Any discussion?
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Now, who's Commissioner
Saunders going to make mad?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: It's a toss-up here.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He gets to choose between all his
applicants.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm going to go with Joel
Kessler.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion and a second. All in
favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
MR. KLATZKOW: District 4's turn.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes. Mr. Lansen, please. I'd like
to nominate Mr. Lansen.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I'll second that.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Dr. Lansen.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion and a second. All in favor, say
aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
MR. KLATZKOW: All right. District 5, that seat will remain
open until we have a candidate.
That leaves you with four at-large members. At-large members
must be nominated by anyone but requires four votes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'd like to nominate Victoria
Tracy, please, at large.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you very much,
Commissioner.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion and second. All in favor,
say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'd like to nominate Litha Berger for
District 1 -- well, for all districts, at large.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a motion and second. All in favor,
say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to
nominate Mr. Larry Magel.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I've heard Jacquelyne Pierce is
wonderful, and I've seen her in action, and she seems to be very good.
So I'll nominate her unless somebody else wants a chance to do
something like that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: A motion and a second. All in favor, say
aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So we have a committee with
-- and I do have two folks that have expressed an interest from District
5.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We've saved your seat.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We thought we had one, but
then we found out he wasn't old enough.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Twelve is a little young.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: He volunteers, and then I think
you have to be 62 to be on the committee, and he wasn't yet. He's
close.
Item #12B
RESOLUTION 2018-43: APPOINTING THE INITIAL
MEMBERSHIP TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT
PRODUCTIVITY COMMITTEE: JAMES R. GIBSON, JR.
(DISTRICT 1), MICHAEL DALBY (DISTRICT 2), LARRY
MAGEL (DISTRICT 4), LAUREN MELO (DISTRICT 5),
MICHAEL LYSTER (AT LARGE), GERALD GODSHAW (AT
LARGE), AND WITH DISTRICT 3 STILL OPEN – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, thank you.
That takes us to 12B, and this is a recommendation to appoint the
initial membership of the County Government Productivity
Committee.
MR. KLATZKOW: And I would suggest the same process
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beginning with District 1.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: District 1, Jim Gibson.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: This is a tough one for me, but I'm going
to move -- we've got three or four great candidates here. Hopefully we
can get two of these people on there. But I would move for Michael
Dalby to be the District 2 representative.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
MR. KLATZKOW: District 3, we're waiting for applications, so
we'll move on to District 4.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I have a question. There's no
prohibition in the county for dual membership -- for membership on
two different committees, correct?
MR. KLATZKOW: Correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: He's done it before.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Madam --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, yeah, please.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I was going to say Madam
Chair. But Madam formerly chair, I've known Larry Magel for many,
many years --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- and he has an incredible
background. He'd be really great on that productivity committee, I'm
just throwing that out.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Then that's -- I'll take your
recommendation and nominate Larry Magel, not to diminish Mr.
Blankenship at all.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'd like to nominate
Lauren Melo.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion and a second. All in favor, say
aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
MR. KLATZKOW: And that leaves you with two at-large
members.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'd like to -- if I may, I'd like to
nominate Mike Lister. He was an instigating factor in helping move
this initiative along last year.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I'd like to nominate Jacob
Winge. I think he would be a good guy to be on there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Amen.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, good. Is that a second?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second it. That's an amen.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. Let's nominate someone
else. You might as well do it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Pardon me?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, I mean, I think I would very much
like us to consider Jerry Godshaw for this position because of his
specific background in accounting and economics. This is a
productivity committee. And while I have great respect for Jacob, he's
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already on two committees, and I just -- I really would like to see Jerry
-- would bring a very experienced and --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Measured.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Measured and -- but also very
experienced. I mean, he was with one of the larger -- the largest,
maybe, accounting firm.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But this is productivity. Do you
think that that would still fall into the --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah, absolutely.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- same category?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. Because last time we got into
budget all the time instead of productivity, and so --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, we redid the ordinance to make sure
that it's focused on productivity, and that's exactly why I think Jerry
Godshaw is really somebody that would look at it at the efficiencies of
things. I mean, he's an economist. And how efficiently things are
being run is, I really --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's about how Jim Gibson is, too.
So I bet they'd work together well.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And so I'll -- as much as I would
love to give Jacob a chance, I will second your motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So you're withdrawing the first
motion for Jacob and -- because there was a motion and a second.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There was a motion and a second.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We don't have to vote on it if --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, that's right. There was a motion
and a second. So we should vote on that first and --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Unless you withdraw your motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: If you withdraw --
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Do I like you that much?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: I don't know, do you?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm not sure after today.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I would suggest withdrawing
that so that there won't be a --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Someone defeated.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. I mean, Mr. Winge's
got two --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, as long as Jacob is already on
two committees. And he's a great guy.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: He is.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We've got him doing some things
for East Naples Civic. Sorry, Jacob, but I will withdraw, and I'll
second your motion.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I seconded.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: There's a second somewhere in there.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I did.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So there's a motion and a second. All in
favor?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I was the second.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye. I seconded it before you
seconded it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, it had a second.
All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries. And I would also say to
Jacob Winge, I have great respect for him, and he's doing some great
things for the county, and he's doing some great work on the other
committees. I just -- this particular one was, I think, important to have
Jerry on there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Before the County Attorney
goes away, there is one other subject matter. It has to do with the term
of appointees. I would like, for simplification purposes, just to make
them all two-year terms. Because it says District 1 or 2 -- one-year or
two-year and at-large are at two. I would like to make them all
two-year terms initially. And, of course, people can come and go
based upon their -- we've got in the bylaws and things -- I believe we
do in the bylaws with regard to attendance and such. I just -- I would
suggest, as opposed to one- or two-year terms, we just make them all
two-year terms.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Is that something we can do in this --
MR. KLATZKOW: Sure. I'll bring back an amendment to the
ordinance; meantime you'll have a full productivity committee.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Because as of now -- right now there
staggered.
MR. KLATZKOW: Right now they're staggered. I was going to
ask after this to stagger them, but we're fine now. If what you want to
do -- if you want to give everybody the same term, you can do that by
majority vote. I'll just come back and amend the ordinance.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: But the committee is
established. We'll just adjust the ordinance for their terms.
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So bring that back.
MR. KLATZKOW: If that's the majority of the will of the Board.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So is there a motion to amend that?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I would so move.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Will my second count this time?
No. I already heard it.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. There's a motion and a second. All
in favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Motion carries.
And thank you for indulging my request. I do appreciate that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I could see that you really wanted
the very best, and you knew the guy pretty well, and I know that's the
guy I chose for -- Jim Gibson also. It sounds like they'd work together
well.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Jerry Godshaw comes and testifies quite
often when there's --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. He's an economist.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: He's an economist, very economical.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So this is, what is it, Collier
Citizens Committee?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah, he's outstanding.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, he really is.
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Item #15
STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that moves us to Item 15, staff and
commission general communications.
I have the reminder of your upcoming board workshops on the
visualizer. Other than that, I have nothing else today, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. Any comments or questions about
the schedule?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I do have a question. On the
workshop in May on the Blue Zones, yes, the rationale behind the
workshop is to do what?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm passing it as we speak.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Uh-huh.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: This will give you kind of the
background on it. There is no cost to it. It is -- and for them it is, I
think, marketing tool they use to not only market what the Blue Zone
is about, but I also think, at least with the Dan Burdens of the world,
going from FDOT to this speaks of his vision of newer communities
becoming more pedestrian friendly; less dependent on automobiles,
encouraging bicycles, that kind of thing. That's his vision. And so it's
fascinating.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sure. Well, I've -- they've been
very involved with our Immokalee master plan --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, of course.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- and I just -- I wanted to -- I
just wanted to ask out loud the rationale behind -- now you've told us.
So thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I have one for you. I came
prepared.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
We don't need to approve the schedule? We've already approved
that.
MR. OCHS: No, not at all, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: So we're moving on to --
MR. OCHS: County Attorney?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: -- County Attorney.
MR. KLATZKOW: Nothing.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Madam Clerk?
MS. KINZEL: No. Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, three.
Number 1, we had a discussion and a fairly fast move-through on
Items 9A and B today with regard to assisted living facilities and the
like, and I would like to find out how my colleagues feel about -- we
know there is a shortage of affordable beds for assisted living facilities,
whether it be Medicaid or the like.
What?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Affordable, you're right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And so I would like to find out
how my colleagues feel about exploring some language to have those
be provided for in future developments that are coming forward.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: As a requirement or as -- through a density
bonus or something like that?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'm not about -- I'm not into
regulations all that much. Incentivization I can talk to you about. But
we know there's a need, and I just -- I think that it's something that we
ought to explore at some stage.
And I'd be happy to work with staff on it and see if -- but I just
wanted to -- before -- I like to -- staff likes to have head nods before
we head down a path.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Do you mean that someone who's
coming in for a single-family gated community would be -- there
would be incentives so that they would build an assisted living facility
there?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No. I'm talking about an
assisted living facility providing for a percentage of beds for Medicaid
recipients or --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- for affordable recipient --
affordability within that facility. That's what I was talking about.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right. Okay. I would be
interested in exploring that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You okay with that?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Sure.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So you get your head nod?
Number 2, I would like to thank Commissioner Fiala, and this is a
little bit self-serving. As you all know, maybe you don't, I've been on
the board of directors of Goodwill of Southwest Florida for 18, 19
years. And if you haven't, drive by our Towne Centre store on the East
Trail. And it was largely due to my friend assisting us with that
facelift that has recently come to that facility. It's been a long time
coming, and I wanted to thank you for that and just acknowledge your
assistance in working.
Because it's difficult, because you're -- we're a tenant there, in
Towne Centre, Goodwill is, and you've got, you know, landlords,
private property ownership. They don't really have to do anything, but
they reached out -- we reached out to the landlord and worked through
the process and got that facelift done, and it's really amazing. It's a
beautiful store.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It is. And people are flocking in. It
looks so much better now.
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And, you know what, just to -- this will be my time. You didn't
have to even accept my suggestion. You didn't even have to pay
attention, and you didn't have to get me connected with the right guy,
but you did all of those things, so the thanks goes back to you. Thank
you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, it just shows that -- I
mean, and this was, Commissioner Taylor, way before I came onto this
board --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yep.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- Commissioner Fiala had
reached out to me because she knew my relationship and I was able to
work through the process and then, recently, facilitate it. So thank you.
It was -- we all worked together. At the end of the day, we're all doing
the right things.
Last, but not least, I did take Commissioner Fiala's position -- or
not take. I wasn't -- for NACo, the National Association of Counties,
and I am going to Washington D.C. And if you-all have a specific
note for our President, let me know, and I'll make sure I get over and
see him this weekend. No notes?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's great that you're going. That's
wonderful.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's all I have, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Nothing.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: There was, but I forget, so why
don't you go.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: A couple things.
First, I want to congratulate and thank Commissioner Taylor in
terms of where we're moving with affordable housing. It's been a long
time coming, and it looks like we're making some giant steps forward,
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and hopefully this is the year we'll have all this on the books and see
some real progress.
Also, I had planned on attending the fly-in from the Florida
Association of Counties --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's in April.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- in April, correct. And I'll be
staying at the same place you're saying at.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Nice.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just -- I think you're going
there in April.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, I am going in April, but
I'm going this weekend as well for the EELU committee, the Steering
Committee.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The third item, we're going to
be making some decisions on the sales tax issue, and I'm not sure
where that's ultimately going to go. We have one commissioner that's
opposed to it. We've had -- I think there was -- Commissioner Taylor,
I think you had pointed out in your monthly or --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Newsletter, yeah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- newsletter that you are
going to -- willing to put it on the ballot but you were not going to
campaign for it or do -- you know, be part of any promotional aspects
of this.
And as we get closer to it, some of the political issues are going to
start to surface a little bit. We're going to start seeing some of the
polling data. We're going to be making a decision as to whether this
can pass without unanimous support and advocacy from the
Commission.
And so I don't want to miss the opportunity to have an initiative
on the ballot in 2018. And so if we make a decision not to move
forward with the sales tax -- and I'm not expecting that that's going to
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necessarily happen. But let's assume just for argument purposes that
we have some second thoughts. I'd like to be teed up to go with the
Conservation Collier.
And so that's going to take some staff effort to put together, you
know, the ballot language and that sort of thing. So come April and
May, if we back off the sales tax, I want staff to be ready to move
forward with Conservation Collier as a backup.
And so I don't know what the position of the Board would be, but
that would just be a fallback if --
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Have you talked to the Conservation
Collier people about that?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, I have not.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Because they have said they
didn't want to be a part of it. I mean, they told us here.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: They didn't want to be part of
the sales tax.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. They do not want to --
what I'm saying is that we don't have a unanimous board supporting
the sales tax, and we don't have a unanimous board that's going to
promote it. And it's very difficult to get those types of things adopted
if you don't have good support from the Commission that's putting it
on the ballot.
As we get closer to it, if we start to decide, well, maybe we
shouldn't put this on the ballot because we don't feel it's going to pass,
I'd like to be in a position to put Conservation Collier on.
So I just want to see if the Board would agree to have staff ready
for that in that -- in the event that that happens.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me see if I understand what you
just said. If you think that the sales tax won't go then, to take its place
on the ballot, you'd like to put the Conservation Collier effort instead
of the other?
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay. I didn't understand that.
Okay. So just that Conservation Collier thing instead. I think that --
you know, as long as they're willing to do it, too, I think --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I just want to have it teed up
just in case we don't go forward with the sales tax. So I just want to
see if the Board is in agreement with that; then staff can do what they
need to do to have that ready in the event that we make that decision
not to move forward.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And you are -- this is going to
sound patronizing, but you are the father of this. You were the first to
introduce this concept to this community, and I know this is heartfelt.
But I think -- I'm going to say -- to ask you to maybe have a
conversation with the -- you know, Ellin and -- Ellin Goetz and the
Conservancy about this in that preparation for, if you would, please.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah. And I'm actually -- you know, I'm
reluctant to do it that way, because I think then we'll have potentially
two referenda that are kind of competing against each other. You
know, I think, for me, if we're going to go through -- we said we're
going to bring the sales tax forward. If we do that, we do that. If we
don't do that, my understanding was that the Conservancy and the
environmental groups didn't want to be part of this referendum this
cycle and that they would be on 2020.
I really see that -- I mean, if there's -- the sales tax for the -- the
sales tax referendum would be hampered by, I think, having the
potential for a different one on there. And then when we get down to
making a decision as to which one's going to be on there, we'll have
competing -- that's my -- I mean, that's --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. That makes sense. And
-- but I just wanted to raise that, because we don't have strong board
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support for the sales tax. When I say we don't have strong support, I
mean, we know that we have one no vote on it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Who's that? Oh, that would be
me.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, but only because you want a
commensurate reduction in the ad valorem tax, millage rate.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct, as a -- yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. Well, I'll withdraw that
suggestion, but I just wanted to --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And just as a point of reference
there, too, with regard to Conservation Collier, the 15 million that we
have left -- or the 17 million that we have for acquisitions right now,
that list -- I didn't ask Barry to put it back up, but that list was added to
from last year, the 23-some-odd million dollars. The Hussey piece is
on there, I think, and there's some other pieces that have been added on
since we did that analysis last year.
So if you stay with the original A and B list of acquisitions, it's
less than 10 million, which is going to, at the current pace, take us
some time to get through from the acquisition side. And there are a
couple other ideas as far as funding sources go that may not require a
referendum.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: You know, and just to clarify what I'm
saying, I'm not -- I'm not against bringing the Conservation Collier
referendum to the voter, because that's what I thought we needed to do
anyway. But in my speaking engagements recently, you know, going
from one to the other like that I think is going to hamper both of them.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: People are not understanding it very well,
and I think we have -- either one would require some -- still require
some education. And to switch in midstream, I think, would hamper
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either one.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. I'm not suggesting
switching at all. I'm just saying that -- all I was saying is that if this
board at some point in the near future decides not to move forward
with the sales tax, I'd like to be teed up to go with Conservation
Collier. That's all I was saying. Not as an alternative, but just --
because we're going to start hearing both sides of the story here in
terms of that particular issue, and we don't have a strong board support
for this right now. So that was the only reason I was bringing that up.
There will be time to discuss it further.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I did want to say something. I
just said I had nothing.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I would ask that board
members consider giving direction to our affordable housing staff to
distribute more equitably all of the affordable housing that they want to
distribute and create and incentivize to other places so that we're not
left carrying the multitude of everything. It's getting more and more
difficult all the time to try and improve an area when you have no
support on your board and, of course, nobody stops them from packing
it in. And it's almost like we're beginning to drown in it.
And the schools -- it's just terrible for the children in the schools.
And until we start -- until we start spreading it around -- of course, as
the state statutes say, we're -- it's breaking our back.
So that's just what I want to say. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I've remembered.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Would it be possible, and to be
with government policy, for each CRA, Immokalee if they choose, but
certainly the CRA on Bayshore, to have its own social media site and
to be operated by -- the government's probably -- well, we do it for
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tourism. So could we possibly do the same for the CRAs? Because --
at least the CRA, because what happens is it does kind of require a
full-time position. It requires someone to monitor it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Did you say social media?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, social media: Facebook,
Twitter, those kind of things.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think we do for our CRA, if
I'm not mis -- for Immokalee. Doesn't Maria handle -- or is that just
for our Latin community?
MR. OCHS: No. I think it's all routed, ultimately, through your
communications office.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. OCHS: We have a social media specialist that works with
Troy and Mike Sheffield and that team.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Because I think what
happens is -- and I'm hearing it's happening -- is because the CRA
board has been there on Bayshore for such a long time and they know
people, it's -- things can be influenced where if there was a little more
impartiality with it, there would be an even hand with the marketing.
Kind of, agree with me, I'll market you, if it's -- that marketing is done
from the outside.
And that's kind of what's kind of blossoming a little bit now, and I
thought maybe we could have it more of an institutional effort. But if
we already can do that, that would be great. And I guess they would
have to come to you to talk about the postings and how to do this and
whatnot.
MR. OCHS: Yes. And I'll talk with Deb Forester, and we'll see
if we can't understand the issue a little better and how to better address
it through our social media people and staff.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. And then, not to rub salt
into a wound, I just, again, want to bring everyone's attention to
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Arthrex and the letter that I received this morning. Arthrex needs
low-income housing. They need apartments that are $1,000 to $1,500
as well as they need the upper level.
And I just, again, want to say, this is so much more than just
putting people in housing, which is extremely important. This is about
economic development and diversifying our economy for our children
and for our future.
So I really appreciate what we did today. It was really hard, and I
think it's not only going to get -- it's not going to get much easier, and I
really appreciate Commissioner Fiala for your participation. And I
think you should feel fairly good, because one of the major
low-income properties in your district is now going to full market rate,
much to my dismay, and that's Whistler's Cove, and it houses hundreds
of people and many, many families, and those people are going to be
displaced, and that's the reality.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: When is that happening? I didn't
even know that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It happened last -- our last
meeting.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's Section 8 housing.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Not anymore.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Not anymore, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We've got a few Section 8 housing
units in there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Stay up on the mic, please.
Even though we're all talking, people like to hear what we're saying.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I didn't realize that they were doing
that. Don't they have certain limitations to doing that?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: They expired, and they are now
full market rate.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I didn't know that.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Back to Commissioner McDaniel's point
about the 15 years.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Or perpetuity.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: That's a long time.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: In perpetuity.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Anything else?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's it, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: The only thing I'd like to say is that last
week I went to visit the Miami-Dade jail with the sheriff and
representatives of David Lawrence and others and -- because Dade
County has received a lot of attention for the things that it's doing
proactively on the mental-health side.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Nice.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah. And it's, obviously, a huge facility.
Their population is much greater than ours, and they have a lot more
funding. But the -- and it was -- they were doing some innovative
things, but I would like to report that while they're getting a lot of
attention for the things they're doing, many of the things they're doing
are things that we're already doing.
So it was -- there were some good ideas, I think, that will come
from that in terms of what the Sheriff is doing, what the community's
doing, David Lawrence, NOMI, and the mental-health efforts we're
engaged in here. So it was a great trip, and -- but I was -- you know, I
was heartened that we could come away with some ideas that maybe
we hadn't thought about locally and, at the same time, that we're really
engaged in doing the things that they've already been doing. So we're
definitely headed in the right direction. We just have to keep it going.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Quick question. Did you
happen to hear the stat with regard to the population of their jail in
mental illness and drug addiction? Was the statistics similar to our
demographic? Do you remember that?
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, it does work a little differently,
because one of the things I found out was that there if there's a felony
involved, you're staying there regardless of whether or not it's a
mental-health related issue or not. It really didn't matter.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So that would increase the
population of mental illness in the population of the jail where we
would necessarily move someone to a treatment facility in lieu of
incarceration.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Right, exactly. So I don't know that it's an
apples-to-apples comparison, but I think their statistics, just like ours,
it's growing exponentially, and they're struggling to deal with it.
They actually had to do these things because they were under a
consent order from the Department of Justice because of the conditions
that they had before.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: What is it? The one where they
were living underneath the -- Castro emptied out his prisons and those
folks were put underneath the things, and they committed a lot of
crimes. Was is Mariel?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Well, it was -- yeah, the consent order
related more to the facility they had before, which was the old jail
downtown by the courthouse and the infamous ninth floor which was
so bad that I think the government came in and required them to make
these changes, and a lot of the things they're doing is -- we're well
underway on doing those things, which is what the federal government
wanted.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You mean making it safer to stay at
the ninth floor or something?
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Safer, more humane, right, yeah. It was a
problem.
Anyway, I won't belabor that point, but thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Anything else?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I wonder where -- I was
surprised about the Section 8 housing. I know we have -- I know we
have a few others in East Naples, but I don't know, does anybody else
have Section 8 housing in -- do you have any in the city?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We had it. Oh, yes, we had, and
they expired.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No -- do you have any?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I have no idea.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Golden Gate City. And, by the
way, as prior chairman of the Collier County Housing Authority, I
oversaw all 462 vouchers that are available in Collier County and have
decent dispersal. And if you'd like to have a report on it, I'll ask
somebody from the Housing Authority to come and do it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I'd love to do that. It would just
be interesting. And how could they just get rid of that --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, it bodes the question
with regard to the supply and demand and what we have coming up
with availability and those that are rolling off the rolls and onto the
rolls and what we're doing in the future.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'd love to have the report on that.
That would be just great.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Just so you know, there's at least one of
those in District 2 right up off of Old 41.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Is there? Uh-huh.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Yeah, one on Airport Road, right?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well -- and that might be
something that we can do as --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That would be good to know --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- as we're looking at --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- because you can't say unless you
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know.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- as we're looking at data, and
that's where the actual dispersal of the affordable housing units, in fact,
are throughout the whole county.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And do you think -- like, for
instance, the one you were just talking about on Airport Road, are they
building one to replace another or --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- are they trying to find other
places?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, it's not a matter of trying
to find. It's a matter -- and, again, without belaboring -- we're going to
have a lot more discussions about this in the future, but it's about -- it's
about the supply and demand of what we actually have and availability
in the marketplace. So it's not -- it's not a replacement process.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So when you give me a report, it
will be supply and demand?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I hope so. That's what I'd like
to see.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. That would be interesting.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: We were just going around and around
about how to figure the demand, right?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. That would be interesting to
find out.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: This is the supply side.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Okay. We're all set. Anything else?
MR. OCHS: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN SOLIS: Thank you.
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**** Commissioner Taylor moved, seconded by Commissioner
McDaniel and carried that the following items under the
Consent and Summary Agendas be approved and/or adopted ****
Item #16A1
RECORDING THE FINAL PLAT OF SILVERWOOD AT AVE
MARIA (PHASE 1), (APPLICATION NUMBER PL20170002303)
APPROVAL OF THE STANDARD FORM CONSTRUCTION
AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND APPROVAL OF THE
AMOUNT OF THE PERFORMANCE SECURITY - THE
DEVELOPER MUST RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF
ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES (COA) PRIOR TO THE
ISSUANCE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FINAL
APPROVAL LETTER
Item #16A2
RECORDING THE MINOR FINAL PLAT OF CREEKSIDE
COMMERCE PARK LOT 4, APPLICATION NUMBER
PL20170003819 – LOCATED WEST OF GOODLETTE-FRANK
ROAD ON CREEKSIDE BLVD
Item #16A3
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR WINDING CYPRESS PHASE 2C, PL20160000783 AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
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DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – A FINAL INSPECTION
WAS CONDUCTED ON JANUARY 12, 2018 AND FOUND THE
FACILITIES TO BE SATISFACTORY
Item #16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR TUSCANY POINTE - PHASE 2, PL20150002630 AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – LOCATED OFF OF
COLLIER BLVD, NORTH OF VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD
EXTENSION
Item #16A5
ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR HACIENDA LAKES, PHASE 2, PL20150002473 AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE SECURITY
(UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $23,115.80 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – A FINAL INSPECTION
WAS CONDUCTED ON JANUARY 16, 2018 AND FOUND THE
FACILITIES TO BE SATISFACTORY
Item #16A6
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FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER UTILITY
FACILITIES FOR CARICA ROAD WATER MAIN EXTENSION,
PL20150001113, AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY
MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES
PERFORMANCE SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION
BOND IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $8,530.50 TO THE
PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED
AGENT – A FINAL INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED ON
MARCH 30, 2017 AND RE-INSPECTED ON JANUARY 2, 2018
(POST HURRICANE IRMA) AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO
BE SATISFACTORY
Item #16A7
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR MARSILEA VILLAS, PL20150000974 AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT
Item #16A8
THE RANKED LIST OF DESIGN PROFESSIONALS PURSUANT
TO RFP NO. 17-7188, “PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR
NEARSHORE HARDBOTTOM MONITORING,” AND
AUTHORIZING STAFF TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH
THE TOP RANKED FIRM CSA OCEAN SCIENCES, INC. FOR
SUBSEQUENT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
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APPROVAL; OR, IF CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS ARE
UNSUCCESSFUL, TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO COMMENCE
CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SECOND RANKED
PROPOSER, APTIM ENVIRONMENTAL & INFRASTRUCTURE,
INC., AND FINDING THAT THIS ITEM PROMOTES TOURISM
(PROJECT NO. 90033)
Item #16A9
AWARD BID #17-7187 - “MAPPING AND DOCUMENTATION
OF CORE BUSINESS PROCESSES” TO P&M HOLDING GROUP
LLP D/B/A PLANTE & MORAN. (FISCAL IMPACT IS
$332,880.) – WILL BE USED TO TRAIN STAFF IN
PROCESSING MAPPING AND DESIGN OF PROCESS
METRICES WITHIN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT
DEPARTMENT
Item #16A10
RESOLUTION 2018-27: AMENDING RESOLUTION 2009-58, AS
AMENDED BY RESOLUTION 2014-37, AS AMENDED BY
RESOLUTION 2015-40, RELATING TO THE STEWARDSHIP
SENDING AREA WITH A DESIGNATION AS “BCI/BCP SSA
10”; APPROVING THE EXTENSION OF CERTAIN DATES TO
MARCH 10, 2021 IN THE STEWARDSHIP SENDING AREA
CREDIT AGREEMENT FOR BCI/BCP SSA 10, THE ESCROW
AGREEMENT AND ACCEPT THE AMENDED NOTICE OF
RESTRICTIONS FOR BCI/BCP SSA 10
Item #16A11
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AWARD INVITATION TO BID (ITB) NO. 18-7241 “CONCRETE
SIDEWALKS, CURBS, GUTTERS AND RELATED ITEMS” TO
BONNESS, INC., AND TERMINATE AGREEMENT NO. 16-6624
“CONCRETE: SIDEWALKS, CURBS, FLOORS AND OTHER
APPLICATIONS” WITH HERITAGE BUILDERS, LLC D/B/A
HERITAGE UTILITIES - HERITAGE HAS FAILED TO
PERFORM WORK FOR THE ROAD MAINTENANCE DIVISION
AND HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE TERMINATION
Item #16A12
SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
AGREEMENT #4600003787 BETWEEN THE SOUTH FLORIDA
WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND COLLIER COUNTY
FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SR-29 (A/K/A BARRON
COLLIER) CANAL – COMMENCING ON THE DATE OF
DOCUMENT’S EXECUTION AND CONTINUING FOR 5-
YEARS
Item #16A13
REPEAL OF PREVIOUS BOARD DIRECTION REQUIRING
AFFIRMATION OF COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING
COMMISSION (CCPC) OR HEARING EXAMINER (HEX)
APPROVAL OF INSUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO PLANNED
UNIT DEVELOPMENTS (PUD) AND RESUME THE CURRENT
PDI PROCESS SPECIFIED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
AND ADMINISTRATIVE CODES
Item #16B1
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THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BOARD
(CRAB), APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT
AUTHORIZING UP TO $30,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE RENOVATIONS OF A SINGLE-
FAMILY HOME TO ESTABLISH INDEPENDENCE PLACE,
IMMOKALEE’S FIRST HOME SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR
SUPPORTED LIVING FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH
DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, LOCATED IN THE CRA,
AND AUTHORIZING THE NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENT – AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY
Item #16C1
A CONTRACT WITH TARGET ROOFING & SHEET METAL,
INC., UNDER INVITATION TO BID NO. 17-7227 RE-ROOF OF
BUILDING “G,” IN THE AMOUNT OF $116,306 – LOCATED AT
3303 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST THE FORMER PROCUREMENT
SERVICES BUILDING
Item #16C2
AMENDMENT #1 TO CONTRACT #13-6064 IN THE AMOUNT
OF $301,994 FOR “ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE AND
CONSULTING,” WITH WOOLPERT, INC. TO INTEGRATE THE
PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND THE FACILITIES
DIVISION INTO CITYWORKS
Item #16C3
EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH SHERYL L. DORTA, AS
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TRUSTEE OF THE SHERYL LYNN DORTA LIVING TRUST,
DATED MARCH 11, 2016, AND ROBERT W. DORTA, AS
TRUSTEE OF THE ROBERT WAYNE DORTA LIVING TRUST,
DATED MARCH 11, 2016, AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED $5,500
FOR THE ACQUISITION OF A COUNTY UTILITY EASEMENT
FOR PROPOSED WATER AND WASTEWATER
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT NO.70103 –
LOCATED OFF OF TWIN EAGLES BLVD
Item #16C4
AWARD REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NO. 17-7176, AN
ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR UNDERGROUND UTILITY PARTS
AND SUPPLIES, TO FERGUSON WATERWORKS, INC.,
EFFECTIVE APRIL 2, 2018 - TO REPAIR VARIOUS PUBLIC
UTILITIES DEPARTMENT ASSETS LOCATED AT THE
REGIONAL WATER TREATMENT AND WATER
RECLAMATION PLANTS, THROUGHOUT THE IRRIGATION
QUALITY, RAW AND POTABLE WATER DISTRIBUTION
NETWORKS, AND THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION
SYSTEM
Item #16C5
EXECUTION OF DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO CONVEY AN
EASEMENT AND AN UNDERGROUND DISTRIBUTION
FACILITIES INSTALLATION AGREEMENT TO FLORIDA
POWER & LIGHT COMPANY, IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF
$27,645.60 FOR NEW SERVICES AT THE NE RECYCLING
DROP-OFF CENTER – FOLIO #00209961005
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Item #16C6
RESOLUTION 2018-28: RE-AFFIRMING THE
AUTHORIZATION OF THE CLOSING OF THE ACQUISITION
OF THE REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY CONSTITUTING
THE GOLDEN GATE CITY SYSTEM OWNED BY THE
FLORIDA GOVERNMENTAL UTILITY AUTHORITY BY
COLLIER COUNTY WATER SEWER DISTRICT
Item #16C7
AN ASSIGNMENT AND AMENDMENT TO THE TRIPLE NET
LEASE WITH COLLIER PLAZA, LLC, TO CONTINUE THE
CUSTOMER SERVICE OFFICE IN GOLDEN GATE CITY AS
PART OF THE FGUA ACQUISITION – LOCATED AT 11985
COLLIER BLVD., UNIT 7
Item #16D1
AN AGREEMENT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE WITH FRANK
J. CELSNAK AND MARLENE J. CELSNAK, AS TRUSTEES
U/D/T (OR U/A) DATED 27 DECEMBER 1991, FOR 2.73 ACRES
UNDER THE CONSERVATION COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION
PROGRAM AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED $16,250, AND
APPROVE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN WHEN COMPLETED –
PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE RED MAPLE SWAMP
PRESERVE
Item #16D2
AN AGREEMENT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE WITH
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ORLANDO V. BUENO AND CLAUDIO A. COSTA, FOR 2.73
ACRES UNDER THE CONSERVATION COLLIER LAND
ACQUISITION PROGRAM AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED
$35,400 – PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE WINCHESTER
HEAD PRESERVE
Item #16D3
LEASE AMENDMENT NO. 1 WITH THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE (USDA)
TERMINATING THE LEASE EARLY AND AUTHORIZING
COUNTY REFUND OF THREE MONTHS’ RENT TO USDA FOR
RENT PAID AS OF DECEMBER 1, 2017, THE PROPOSED
TERMINATION DATE AND DATE THE USDA VACATED THE
UNIVERSITY EXTENSION OFFICE, DUE TO DAMAGE
CAUSED BY HURRICANE IRMA
Item #16D4
A PRIVATE DONATION OF $5,000 TO BENEFIT THE COLLIER
COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY WITH HURRICANE IRMA
RESTORATIONS
Item #16D5
AWARD FOR INVITATION TO BID #17-7206 “VANDERBILT
BEACH MUNICIPAL SERVICE TAXING UNIT (MSTU)
ROADWAY LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE” TO GROUND
ZERO LANDSCAPING SERVICE INC., AND AUTHORIZE THE
CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT –
PROVIDING ON-GOING MAINTENANCE OF LANDSCAPING
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AND IRRIGATION
Item #16D6
EXECUTION OF THE FY17 SECTION 5339 GRANT AWARD
FROM THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION (FTA) IN
THE TRANSIT AWARD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (TRAMS)
AND AUTHORIZE A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE
AMOUNT OF $299,889 FOR FAREBOX UPGRADES AND
CONSTRUCTION OF A BUS SHELTER
Item #16D7
A JOINT PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT (JPA) BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION (FDOT) TO ACCEPT FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION (FTA) SECTION 5339 BUS AND BUS
FACILITIES FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $103,594 FOR THE
PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF TWO (2) MOBILE
COLUMN LIFT SYSTEMS AND TO UPGRADE MOBILE
SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS ON SIX (6) BUSES
Item #16D8
A FLORIDA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY (FNPS)
CONSERVATION GRANT APPLICATION FOR A MARITIME
HAMMOCK RESTORATION PROJECT AT THE GORDON
RIVER GREENWAY PARK IN THE AMOUNT OF $16,357 –
VOLUNTEERS WILL PLANT JUST OVER 700 TROPICAL
MARITIME HAMMOCK PLANTS AND 44 ACRES OF RARE
NATIVE PLANT COMMUNITIES WILL BE TREATED FOR
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INVASIVE, EXOTIC PLANTS
Item #16D9
A SECOND AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT NO. 11-5608-NS,
PERTAINING TO A SOFTWARE LICENSE, SERVICE
AGREEMENT, AND CUSTOMER SUPPORT AGREEMENT FOR
THE COLLIER AREA TRANSIT (CAT) SYSTEM, BETWEEN
ROUTEMATCH SOFTWARE, INC. AND COLLIER COUNTY TO
TRANSITION FROM MOBILE DATA TERMINALS (MDTS) TO
TABLETS, INCLUDING TWO (2) YEARS OF SUPPORT AND
MAINTENANCE FOR A COST OF $31,889.75 - RM MOBILE
PROVIDES GPS NAVIGATION AND TRACKING, LOGS THE
ARRIVAL TIMES OF ALL TRIPS, TWO-WAY MESSAGING,
AND FARE COLLECTION LOGS THAT IS DIRECTLY
INTEGRATED WITH ROUTEMATCH SOFTWARE
Item #16E1
AWARD RFP #17-7221 COLLECTION AGENCY SERVICES TO
ALLIANCE ONE RECEIVABLES MANAGEMENT, INC. FOR
COUNTYWIDE COLLECTION OF UNPAID ACCOUNTS
Item #16E2
A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND
NECESSITY FOR NON-EMERGENCY INTER-FACILITY
AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS TO JUST LIKE FAMILY
CONCIERGE MEDICAL TRANSPORT SERVICES, LLC TO
ALLOW POST- HOSPITAL INTRA-FACILITY AND INTER-
FACILITY MEDICAL AMBULANCE TRANSFER SERVICES TO
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CONTINUE AFTER AN OWNERSHIP CHANGE – DUE TO THE
DEATH OF THE PRINCIPAL OWNER OPERATOR
Item #16E3
RECOGNIZING CARRYFORWARD FOR ACCRUED INTEREST
FROM THE PERIOD JULY THROUGH SEPTEMBER, 2017
EARNED BY EMS COUNTY GRANT REVENUE AND
APPROPRIATE FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $253.63
Item #16E4
AN AWARD OF ONE AEROCLAVE DECONTAMINATION
SYSTEM PURCHASED FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL
SERVICES BY THE COLLIER HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY
PREPAREDNESS COALITION IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,438 –
FOR DECONTAMINATING AMBULANCES AFTER
TRANSPORTING HIGHLY CONTAMINATED PATIENTS
Item #16E5
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR DISPOSAL OF
PROPERTY AND NOTIFICATION OF REVENUE
DISBURSEMENT – THE COUNTY RECEIVED TRADE-IN
VALUE OF $3,600 FOR NEW EQUIPMENT
Item #16E6
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR CHANGE ORDERS
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AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING
BOARD APPROVAL – FOR 20 CHANGE ORDERS THAT
MODIFY CONTRACTS
Item #16E7
INCREASING THE PURCHASE ORDER TO CDR MAGUIRE,
INC. UNDER RFP #17-7116 DISASTER RECOVERY
CONSULTING SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF $750,000 FOR
CONTINUING SUPPORT IN DEVELOPING AND PREPARING
PROJECT WORKSHEETS FOR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT OF
EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH HURRICANE IRMA
AND AUTHORIZE A BUDGET AMENDMENT – PROPOSAL
FOR THE NEXT 12 TO 16 WEEKS INCLUDES COORDINATING
SITE VISITS TO APPROXIMATELY 500 FACILITIES AND
DEVELOPING PROJECT WORKSHEETS FOR PERMANENT
REPAIRS WITH A TOTAL COST NOT EXPECTED TO EXCEED
$750,000
Item #16F1 – Withdrawn (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE TOURIST
DEVELOPMENT TAX FUNDING AND AN EXEMPTION OF
COMPETITION FOR WEBSITE SERVICES WITH MILES
PARTNERSHIP, LLP, IN THE ANNUAL AMOUNT OF $300,000,
AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE ATTACHED
CONTRACT, AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS
EXPENDITURE PROMOTES TOURISM
Item #16F2
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A SINGLE SOURCE WAIVER REQUEST FOR VISIT FLORIDA
FOR THE BALANCE OF FY 18 FOR DESTINATION
MARKETING PROGRAMS AND MAKE A FINDING THAT
THIS EXPENDITURE PROMOTES TOURISM – INCREASING
THE WAIVER TO $125,000 FOR ON-GOING PARTICIPATION
UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30, 2018 SINCE THE $49,000 LIMIT HAS
ALREADY BEEN REACHED
Item #16F3 – Continued to the March 13, 2018 BCC Meeting
(Per Agenda Change Sheet)
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT
TO THE BUSINESS LOCATION INDUCEMENT GRANT WITH
POSITION LOGIC, LLC, WHICH CLARIFIES TAX PAYMENT
REQUIREMENTS
Item #16F4
RESOLUTION 2018-29: AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING
GRANTS, DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS OR INSURANCE
PROCEEDS) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2017-18 ADOPTED
BUDGET
Item #16F5
PROVIDING CONCURRENCE OF APPOINTMENT FOR THE
NOMINATION OF BILL DIAMOND TO THE LOCAL
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD, REGION 24
Item #16J1
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BOARD APPROVAL AND DETERMINING VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE FOR INVOICES PAYABLE AND PURCHASING
CARD TRANSACTIONS AS OF FEBRUARY 21, 2018 – AS
DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16J2
RECORDING IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN
FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN FEBRUARY 1 AND FEBRUARY
14, 2018 PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 136.06
Item #16K1
RESOLUTION 2018-30: APPOINTING JULIAN MORGAN TO
THE IMMOKALEE LOCAL REDEVELOPMENT ADVISORY
BOARD
Item #16K2
RESOLUTION 2018-31: APPOINTING BERNARDO BARNHART
TO THE IMMOKALEE BEAUTIFICATION MSTU ADVISORY
COMMITTEE
Item #16K3
RESOLUTION 2018-32: APPOINTING RYAN WHITE, AS AN
ALTERNATE MEMBER, TO THE COLLIER COUNTY CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD
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Item #16K4
RESOLUTION 2018-33: APPOINTING JEFFREY S. CURL TO
THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Item #16K5
RESOLUTION 2018-34: RE-APPOINTING SUSAN CALKINS TO
THE CONSERVATION COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Item #16K6
RESOLUTION 2018-35: RE-APPOINTING ROBERT P.
MEISTER, III TO THE CONTRACTORS LICENSING BOARD
Item #16K7
RESOLUTION 2018-36: RE-APPOINTING HELEN CARELLA TO
THE RADIO ROAD BEAUTIFICATION ADVISORY
COMMITTEE
Item #16K8
A STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$80,000 AS FULL COMPENSATION FOR THE TAKING OF
PARCEL 429RDUE, AS WELL AS $11,789 IN STATUTORY
ATTORNEY AND EXPERT FEES AND COSTS, REQUIRED FOR
THE EXPANSION OF GOLDEN GATE BLVD., PROJECT NO.
60145 (FROM EAST OF EVERGLADES BLVD. TO THE FAKA
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UNION CANAL), IN THE PENDING CASE STYLED COLLIER
COUNTY V. ANGEL CRESPO, ET AL., CASE NO. 17-CA-1386.
(FISCAL IMPACT: $38,759)
Item #16K9
A STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT
OF $9,300 FOR THE TAKING OF PARCEL 457RDUE
REQUIRED FOR THE EXPANSION OF GOLDEN GATE BLVD.,
PROJECT NO. 60145 (FROM EAST OF EVERGLADES BLVD.
TO THE FAKA UNION CANAL), IN THE PENDING CASE
STYLED COLLIER COUNTY V. CKC PROPERTY HOLDINGS,
LLC, ET AL., CASE NO. 17-CA-1398. (FISCAL IMPACT: $4,070)
Item #17A
ORDINANCE 2018-05: AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 03-40, AS
AMENDED, THE HERITAGE BAY PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT, TO APPROVE AN INSUBSTANTIAL
CHANGE TO THE PUD, TO ADD A DEVIATION FROM LDC
SECTION 4.06.02.C.7.A TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR
A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG AN INTERNAL SIDE
SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN LOT 1A, LOT 2A, AND
LOT 3A OF THE HERITAGE BAY COMMONS - TRACT D
SECOND REPLAT SUBDIVISION, AND PROVIDING FOR AN
EFFECTIVE DATE. THE PUD IS LOCATED ON THE
NORTHEAST CORNER OF IMMOKALEE ROAD AND
COLLIER BOULEVARD (CR 951) IN SECTIONS 13, 14, 23 AND
24, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST, COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA, CONSISTING OF 2,562± ACRES. [PDI-
PL20170001859]
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Item #17B
RESOLUTION 2018-37: AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING
CARRY FORWARD, TRANSFERS AND SUPPLEMENTAL
REVENUE) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2017-18 ADOPTED
BUDGET
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 2:29 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CONTROL
________________________________________
ANDY SOLIS, CHAIRMAN
ATTEST:
DWIGHT E. BROCK, CLERK
_________________________
These minutes approved by the Board on ____________________, as
presented ______________ or as corrected ______________.
TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF U.S. LEGAL
SUPPORT, INC., BY TERRI LEWIS, COURT REPORTER AND
NOTARY PUBLIC.