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Naples, Florida, September.~2, 1988
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LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in
and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the Board of Zoning
Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special districts as
have been created according to law and having conducted business
herein, met on this datc Lt 7:00 P.M. in FIN~L BUDGET SESSION in
Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naplcs, Florida, with the
following members present:
CHAIRMAN:
Burt L. Saunders
VICE-CHAIRMAN:
Anne Goodnight
John A. Pistor
Arnold Lee Glass
Max A. Hasse
ALSO PRESENT:
Ellie Hoffman, Deputy Cl~rk; Neil Dorr1ll, County
Manager; Ronald McLemore, Assistant County Manager; Lori Zalka, Budget
Director; Jean Gansel, Stan Litsinger, and Jennifer Pike, Budget
Analys~s; Ken Cuyler, County Attorney: Aubrey Rogers, Sheriff; Kevin
O'Donnell, Public Services Administrator; Tom Crandall, Utilities
Administrator; John Boldt, Water ~anagement Director: George
Archibald, Public Works Administrator; Leo Ochs, Administrative
Services Administrator; David P~ttrow, Development Services Director:
Harold Huber, Engineering Director; Sherry Rynders, Risk Management
Director; Jameš:Reardon, Emergency Services Director: Cliff Crawford.
Parks (. Recreation Director: Micllael McNees, Utilities Administration
Director and Nancy Israelson, Administrative Assistant to the Board.
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DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED T~X INCRE~SE TO FUND TIlE BUDGET
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily News on
September 18, 1988, as evidenced by Affidavit or Publication filed
with th~ Çl~rk, public hearing was opened to review the 1988-89
Tentative Budget.
Budget Director Zalka stated that the purpose for this final
public hearing regarding the CoLnty Budget is for a decision to be
made adopting the final Budget, and set the final millage rates.
advised that the reason for the 9.9\ tax increase is to fund new
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expanded services and new positions, including 39 Sheriff's positions.
which will include 17 officers at the jail and 11 officers for road
patrol and investigation.
She added that the increase will also pro-
vide 12\ more salary dollars for the Sheriff's Department, and an
increase in the Levels of Service for Parks and Recreation, Libraries.
Emergency Medical Service, and Clerk of Courts Operations.
She indi-
cated that o~her budget increases include 19 new Utilities positions,
and 22 positions in the Community Devel~pment Fund, which are paid for
by User Fees, and a 351 increase in Building fees.
She stated that
the Budget also includes Debt Service, which includes borrowing and
Capital Projects for building new roads, parks, libraries, and
buildings.
Commissioner S~und~r5 stated that public comment relating to the
Wiggins Pass MSTU will be heard at this time.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS
~gins Pass Municipal services Taxing Unit (MSTU)
Commissioner Saunders indicated that the Board was petitioned by
people in good faith that wanted a Taxing District established for th'
dredging of Wiggin~ Pass.
He advised that the Board of County
Commissioners eslabli2hed this T_xing District, which resulted in
controversy in the neighborhood, not only of the dredging, but how it
should be funded.
He stated that he believes solutions should be
found to dredge the Pass immediately, and at the same time, solve the
problem of the unfairness in the funding.
He suggested that ð mech~-
nism be provided where the County will pay a portion of the project,
without an MSTU.
fie noted that perhaps 50-50 funding could be
accomplished with County funds fro~ boating fees, or other alter-
natives, adding that it will get the Pass dredged and spread out the
cost.
He suggested dissolving the MSTU and place the dredging and
maintenance dredging on the bal1ot for 1989.
Public Works AdminIstrator Archibald advised that the projected
cost for the dredging at this time is $150,000-5200,000.
Commissioner Pistor stated that he is in agreement with a 50-50
split, but he is also suggesting that a fair share study be conducted,
before another MSTU is designed, which will determine a better way or
assessing the cost to the people in the area.
Commissioner Glass stated that he does not concur with a 50-50
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split, noting that this is a public waterway, and his feeling is that
the dredging should b~ funded totally from County funds.
He suggcstt:'d
that boating funds be looked at, plus reserve monies for future
budgeting in the planning process.
Commissioner Ilas!;c stating \-hat he does not feel there is a need
for the MSTU since ð good portion of the dredging will be paid from
boating fees, noting that the Pass will not require yearly dredging.
Commissioner Saunders stated that the consensus of the Board is to
eliminate the MSTU, making it zero, but the question is, what to do in
place of it?
Mr. Lee Frink, Vanderbilt property owner, stated that there is a
lot of merit in the suggestions made by the Board this evening, but
questioned whether the MSTU could be kept in place, without assessing
a tax at this tim'~, and pay for the dredging out of County funds, then
amend the MSTU to be compatible with the results of the study, thus,
ðmending the millage rate?
Çommission~r S~unders noted that Mr. frink's suggestion is an
option to be considered.
Mr. Cliff Arguie, Vðnderbilt resident, suggested keeping the MSTU
in place, with the changes as proposed.
He stated that when the
question of the"MSTU came before the Board, there was no opposition
from the property owners, but because of the publicity, people are now
coming forward, indicating they want it dissolved.
He stated that he
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owns waterway property, ~nd the Pass should be dredged immediately,
whether it is to be funded by th~ County, or the property owners.
Mr. Gorbatch stated that he is writing a book on Snook fishing.
lie noted that when the PaDS is dredged, all the sand will be going
through the fish, which will impair their breathing, and they wil1
die.
He stated that marine life will be put in jeopardy by dredging
the Pass, and suggested looking into this more thoroughly.
Mrs. viola Barclay, Vanderbilt Beach resident, stated that she
is requesting that the MSTU be dissolved, and start over to solve the
problems.
Mrs. Bettye Pangle, Vanderbilt Beach resident, stated that she
opposes the MSTU, and questioned what happened to user's fees?
She
- noted that the people in favor of the MSTU are the boaters, adding
that wiggins Pass is a public waterway, used by the public, more than
the residents.
She indicated that she is not against the dredging of
the Pass, but feels the cost should be borne County-wide.
Mrs. Grace Dlackmore, Vanderbilt Beach resident, advised that as
of today, she has not received the letter or survey regarding the
MSTU, noting that she would like her negative vote to be included.
She stated that she believes the MSTU should be rescinded.
Mr. Jim Hayward, Little Hickory Shores resident, congratulated th'
Hoard on their comments relating to the wiggins Pass issue.
He indi-
cated that the Ordinance which was adopted was flawed, and hopefully,
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if the MSTU is rescinded, the Board can move forward with more accura-
tely outlined information.
Mrs. Emily "'aggio, Little Hickory Shores resident., stated that shf"
is opposed to the Ordinance, noting that she [eels it contains flaws,
and hopes it will be rewritten.
She noted that she desires to serve
on any committee regarding this issue.
Mr. William Gras!ji, Little ,iickory Shores resident, advised that
he is opposed to the dredging of the Pass.
He noted that he believes
"nature ~hould take its own course."
He stated that he is agð inst the.
dredging, and the Laxation of the residents.
Mr. Philip Ash, Jr., Bayside Avenue resident, stated that he is a
member of the Coast Guard Auxiliary.
He noted that boats are con-
tinually being pulled off the sandbars, adding that the Pass is a
safety and navigation hazard.
He indicated that he lives in the area,
and he believes that he should be taxed to pay some portion of the
cost of the dredging of the Pacs, but he believes that the MSTU Should
remain as a structure to investigate alternative funding sources, in
addition to taxing the residents.
He stated that the State must have
some responsibility if the sand on both sides of the Pass is State
owned, and part of the Delnor Wiggins State Park.
He indicated that
the County clearly has ~ome responsibility, and commercial operations
in the area should also be taxed, i.e. the tour boats, the fishing
guides, tow boats, and marinas.
He stated that the recreational
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users and developers should also be taxed.
Mr. Paul Harvey questioned if the MSTU is try be dissolved, will
lhe funding [or lhe dredging and maintenance come from County funds?
Commissioner Glass staled that his intention is to have a line
item put into the budget, and co...lect County-wide.
Dr. Peter Schmieding, stated that he is in favor of the County
funding th~ dredgi~g, but added that he ~ líeves the MSTO should
remain in place, as indicated by the returned surveys, as of this
afternoon.
He advised that he bel:eves the MSTU should be kept only
as a reserve, if funding becomes a problem.
Attorney Steve Crawford, representing the Wiggins Pass Conservanc\.
advised that the Conservancy's primary objective is to have the
necessary job done, and to keep the Pass open.
He noted that the MSTIJ
should remain, and the Conserva~cy believes that a solution should be
provided for safely navigation reasons, but the apportionment should
b..-.. fair.
Commissioner Pistor suggested keeping the MSTU active, so that it
could be a tool for next year, after it is amended.
Mr. Gordon Eaves, Little Iickory Shores resident, stated that he I
against the MSTU, and believes it shoul¿ be phased out, and then
re-enacted on a fairer basis.
Mrs. Marilou Corrigan, Vanderbilt Towers resident, stated that sh"
is against the MSTU, and b('liev.....s the dredging of the Pass should be
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paid by those who usc ¡t.
Mr. A. T. Felsberg noted that he is opposed to the MSTU.
He
slated that he is in agreement with Commissioner Gla3s' suggestion to
fund the dredging from the General fund.
He stated that there are
sh~llow areas between the northwest area and Wiggins Pass, and
questioned whether this means that there wil1 be more Special Taxing
Districts, and more dredging?
tie noted that the County must decide
what areas need to be dredged, dredge them, and then take the money
from the General fund.
Mr. F..d Porter of Lak<:, Champagne questioned whether the Army Corps
of Engineers has been approached regarding the cost of maintaining the
Pass?
County Manager Dorrill advised that this is not a navigable water-
way as part of the Intercoastal Waterway System, and as such, the
Corps does not havc jurisdiction over the Puss.
Mr. Ira Evans stated that ~he Statutes provides that taxes will be
levied on those who directly benefit, and if the entire area is not
benefited, the MSTU is the method prescribed by the State Legislature.
He noted that before such a proj~~t is considered to be funded from
the General Fund, h~ urges the Board to examine how many other pro-
jects will have.cqual merit to be funded from the General Fund.
Commissioner Saunders advised that one letter of objection againsl
the MSTU has been received.
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Commissioner Hasse stated that he feels the Pass should be dredged
as soon as possible, using boating fees.
Commissioner Saunders indicated that there are not ~nough funds
available in the boating fund to dredge Wiggins Pass and other Passes.
He stated that he feels voluntar" contributions should be considered,
to pay a portion of the cost, and it also helps the Coun~y to spread
out the boating funds for other uses.
Mr. Ed McMahon suggested that the Board contact Mr. Dan Spiner of
the Moorings.
He noted that the Moorings property owners raised their
own funds for the first dredging, and-the funding was handled through
the City of lIaples, and then a plan for taxes for future dredging was
worked out by the City.
Mr. McMahon stated that this operation is
~Save the Bays~.
Mr. Paul Harvey stated these are two different types of waters,
adding that Doctors Pass is not considered a Class 2 Waterway.
He
noted that he has a problem with the 50-50 joint venture, adding that
50\ of the funds were put forth for the ~revious dredging, and to ask
the same people for funds again, does not seem realistic.
He indi-
cated that some people fecI that 1/4 mill va. 1/2 mill for Vanderbilt
would be fair.
Mrs. Emily Maggio submitted
3 ~etters of objection from persons
who could not attend the public hearing.
She stated if the MSTU is
standing on the books, and a tax is levied, the residents of Little
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Hickory Shores want to be counted out.
commissioner pistor moved, seconded by commissioner Glass and
carried unanimously, that no millage rate be assessed on the wiggins
Pass KSTU this year, and no taxes levied for wiggins Pass.
commissioner pistor moved, seconded by commissioner Hasse, that
staff be directed to advise the best means of tunding for the dredging
of wiggins Pass.
Commissioner Saunders question~d whether Commissioner Pistor would
object to amendIng his motion to include an analysis of sharing of the
costs by a 50-50 split, including voluntary çontributions from those
who will ben~fit by the dredging?
commissioner pistor amended his motion, accepted by commissioner
Hasse and carried 'lnanimously, that staff be directed to advise the
best means of funding for the dredging of Wiggins Pass, including an
analysis of sharing of the costs by a SO-50 split, to include volun-
tary contributions from those who will benefit by the dredging, as
soon as possible.
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Recess 8:00 P.M. - 8:10 P.M.
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Mr. Ed McMahon, representing the Greater Naples Civic Association.
noted that the Taxpayers watch Committee had questions regarding 24
items identifieà in the proposed budget, but noted he received respon
ses from County Manager Oorrill.
H~ stated that there is ð major item
he would like to call to the Board's attention:
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Proposed One-Stop Shop - Originally to be funded by Builders
and Developers. Pagc D-ll, 12 and 14, of proposed budget indica-
tes 5500,000 chargcd to ad ~al~rem taxes.
County Manager Dorrill notcd that the fees for a variety of deve-
lop~nt issues will be increased on September 27, 1988, to pay their
proportionate share of the cost ~f the new Development Services
Facility, and other major tenants, namely, the Utilities.Division,
will also pay their fair share of the rental costs associated with
that building.
wi th regards to the Growth "'anagement Housing and Urban
Development Section, and Zoning and field investigated activities, Mr.
Dorrill advised that substandard housing, the County's Growth
Management, and the enforcement of the County's Zoning Laws, have very
- little to do with building permit fees, noting that this year, those
agencies will pay their way fro~ ad valorem taxes.
Mr. Skip Riffle stated that the proposed budget reflects a 5.9\
increase in ad valorem millage and 15\ increase in assessments will
compute to almost 18\ higher taxes.
Budget Director Zalka stated that increases in assessed valu~ are
rolled back, and the Cou~ty does not receive extra money from that,
no~ing that extra money is received from the tax increase of 9.9\ and
growth in the tax roll from new construction, which is approximately
4\.
Mr. Riffle stated that many people of the County are on fixed
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incomes, and the average wage carner's dream of ð comfortable retire-
ment is crumbling fast.
lie suggested that if there is any fat in the
Budget, it should be cut out.
Mr. Al Spicer, Golden Gate resident, questioned how much building
property in 1987 was taxed for 19881
Budget Director Zalka advised that new construction in 1987 was
approximately $350,000,000, resulting in $1.6 million new taxation for
1988.
Mr. Glenn Yeakey staled that property taxes are made up of
valuation and millage rates, adding that based on State Regulations,
nothing can be done about valuation, noting that the only control is
mi l1age rates.
lie stated that he urges the Board to keep the millage
rates down.
Mrs. Molly Magee, representing the Isles of Capri Civic
Association, stated that assessments have increased dramatically in
that area, and questioned whether it was universal?
Commissioner Pistor advised that this County Commission has
nothing to do with individual assessments, adding that it is done by
t~n Property Appraiser.
lie noted that the total assessed value of th,'
County is submitted by the Property Appraiser's office.
Commissioner Glass sLated that this Board has no control over th,_'
assessed value of propcr~ies, and indicated that if there are con-
cerns, i~ is time for people to organize a petition drive with the
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State Legislature, ðnd get the law changed so that taxes cannot be
raised until a house is sold.
Mrs. Charlottc Westman, representing the League of Women Voters of
Collier County, noted that Page D-52, reflects .50 mills tax regarding
Beach Renourishment, and she understands the millage has been changed.
Budget Director Zalka stated that the Adopted Budget-will reflect
.1 mills.
Commissioner Saunders indicated that one letter has been received
from Helen C. Radke, citing her concerns regarding the increa~~ in
property taxes.
Mr. Ira ~vans stated that at the Public Hearing on September 7,
1988, there was discussion regarding the inclu~ion of a County-wide
tax of funds for beach renourishment, adding that he understood steps
would be taken not to tax Marco Island.
County Manager Dorrill stated that there is $169,000 in the budget
this year for planning and permitting only, as it relates to County-
wide beaches, exclusive of Marco.
He noted that until such time that
the County will be moving toward construction, the budget will remain
as it is.
Mr. Evans stated that previously there was a transfer of County
funds to the Marco Island Beach Renourishment MSTU, and he is
requesting that this be done again.
County Manager [~rrill indicated that a transfer could be made
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from the General Fund to the Marco Island MSTD in the amount of
56,120.
He noted, however, that people in Naples should not be asked
to help pay for beach improvements on Marco, through subsidizing
Tigertail Beach, and then Marco Islanders be exempt from contributing
to County-wide beach~s in the Naples area.
Commissioner Pistor moveð, seconded by Commissioner Hasse, to
transfer $6,120 from the County-wide General Capital Fund to the Ka~ç~
Islanð Beach Renourishment MSTD.
Motion carried 4/1 (Commissioner
Glass opposed).
Hr. Evans stated that the ad valorem taxes cannot double every
six years, and he feels that every item in the expanded budget should
be reviewed, and every item in it that is not the ultimate cost of
that item, should be impounded and reviewed again.
He suggested that
when the guidelines are set for next year's budget, a public hearing
be held in August, for public input.
Hr. Evans noted that in 1983, the County sold 58 million worth of
bonds to build 5 community parks, adding that according to this
budget, with 4 years of debt service @ 5900,000 per year, the balanc~
olJtstanding as of October 1, 1988, will be 58,235,000.
He suggested
that Clerk Giles look into this, and impound that money that was not
used for the specific intent.
LETTERS FROM T~XPAYERS
Budget Director Zalka advised that she received 3 letters from
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taxpayers who could not be present for this evening's public hearing,
citing that they arc against higher taxes.
RESOLUTIO" 88-222, AMENDING THE FY 1988-89 TENT~TIVE BUDGET - ~DOPTED
Ms. Zalka indicated that the backup for this resolution details
all changes that have been made since the budget was first presented
on July 15, 1988.
She noted that the changes that are made tonight,
will be revised, and added to the resolution.
She advised that
changes to be made arc:
eliminating the special revenue fund for the
Wiggins Pass Dredging MSTU, and amending the millage rate to O.
Commissioner pistor moved, seconded by Commissioner Goodnight an~
carried unanimously, that the Amended FY 1988-89 Tentative Budget be
, approved, and Resolution 88-222 be adopted.
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RESOLUTIOK 88-223, FY 1988-89 FINAL BUDGET, - ADOPTED
Commissioner Pistor moved, seconded by Commissioner Goodnight 8~~
carried unanimously, that the FY 1988-89 Final Budget be approved, ~n~
Resolution 88-223 be adopted.
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RESOLUTIOØ 88-224, FY 1988-89 MILLAGE ~TES - ADOPTED
~u~get Director Zalka stat~d that this resolution adopts all
mi11age rates which affect the tax bills.
tion with the millage rates.
Ms. Zalka read the resolu-
commissioner piator moveð, seconðeð by commissioner Gooðnight anC
carrieð unanimously, that the FY 1988-89 Millage Rates be approved,
thereby adopting ~esolution 88-224.
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There being no further business for the Good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by Order of the Chair - 9:10 P.M.
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~hese ~inutes approved by the Board
as pre~~~t~~' ~r as corrected
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