BCC Minutes 11/14/2017 RNovember 14, 2017
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, November 14, 2017
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the
Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special
districts as have been created according to law and having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in REGULAR SESSION
in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida,
with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Penny Taylor
Andrew Solis
Donna Fiala
William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Burt L. Saunders
ALSO PRESENT:
Leo Ochs, County Manager
Nick Casalanguida, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal Kinzel, Director of Finance & Accounting
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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AGENDA
Board of County Commission Chambers
Collier County Government Center
3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3rd Floor
Naples, FL 34112
November 14, 2017
9:00 AM
Commissioner Penny Taylor, District 4 — BCC Chair
Commissioner Andy Solis, District 2 — BCC Vice-Chair
Commissioner Donna Fiala, District 1; CRAB Co-Chair
Commissioner Burt Saunders, District 3
Commissioner William L. McDaniel, Jr., District 5; CRAB Co-Chair
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS MUST
REGISTER PRIOR TO PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA ITEM TO BE
ADDRESSED. ALL REGISTERED SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE UP TO THREE
(3) MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS ADJUSTED BY THE CHAIRMAN.
REQUESTS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON SUBJECTS WHICH ARE NOT ON
THIS AGENDA MUST BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING WITH EXPLANATION
TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AT LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF
THE MEETING AND WILL BE HEARD UNDER "PUBLIC PETITIONS."
PUBLIC PETITIONS ARE LIMITED TO THE PRESENTER, WITH A
MAXIMUM TIME OF TEN MINUTES.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD
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WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING PERTAINING THERETO,
AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD
OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE
TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO. 2003-53 AS AMENDED BY
ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-24, REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS
SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE BOARD AT THE
BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHO NEEDS ANY
ACCOMMODATION IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCEEDING,
YOU ARE ENTITLED, AT NO COST TO YOU, THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
ASSISTANCE. PLEASE CONTACT THE COLLIER COUNTY FACILITIES
MANAGEMENT DIVISION LOCATED AT 3335 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL,
SUITE 1, NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112-5356, (239) 252-8380; ASSISTED
LISTENING DEVICES FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED ARE AVAILABLE IN
THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIVISION.
LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12:00 NOON TO 1:00 P.M
1. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
A. Reverend Dawson Taylor of Naples United Church of Christ
2. AGENDA AND MINUTES
A. Approval of today's regular, consent and summary agenda as amended (ex
parte disclosure provided by commission members for consent agenda.)
B. October 10, 2017 BCC/Regular Meeting Minutes
3. AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS
A. EMPLOYEE
1) 20 YEAR ATTENDEES
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a) Benito Barnhart, Road Maintenance
2) 25 YEAR ATTENDEES
3) 30 YEAR ATTENDEES
a) Noemi Fraguela, Emergency Services
4) 35 YEAR ATTENDEES
B. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS
C. RETIREES
D. EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH
1) Recommendation to recognize Edwin Barroso, Maintenance
Specialist, Public Services Department as the October 2017 Employee
of the Month.
4. PROCLAMATIONS
A. Proclamation designating November 19-25, 2017 as National Farm City
Week in Collier County. To be accepted by Cyndee Woolley, President of
the Farm City BBQ of Collier County.
B. Proclamation designating November 2017 as National Hospice and
Palliative Care Month in Collier County. To be accepted by representatives
of Avow Hospice: Jaysen Roa, Phyllis Hall, Pat Martin, Kathy Schillreff,
Jack Fulmer, Kim Borselli, Dr. Cynthia Nehrkorn, Annalise Smith, Melissa
Phillips, Mark Beland, Rebecca Gatian, Kerri Ervin and Joel Cozzalo.
C. Proclamation honoring Mr. Daniel Pollitt for achieving the rank of Eagle
Scout. To be accepted by Daniel Pollitt, Jeffrey Pollitt, Danielle Pollitt and
Pam Shudes.
D. Proclamation honoring Mr. Efehan Timur for achieving the rank of Eagle
Scout. To be accepted by Efehan Timur, Scott Beatty, Deanna Bickford,
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Randy Rosal and James Cunningham.
E. Proclamation recognizing the outstanding work and extraordinary dedication
of county employees in preparing, protecting and safeguarding our
community before, during and after Hurricane Irma. To be accepted by the
County Manager, the County Attorney and the Senior Management Team on
behalf of County Employees.
5. PRESENTATIONS
A. Presentation of the Collier County Business of the Month for November
2017 to Woods, Weidenmiller, Michetti, Rudnick & Galbraith, PLLC. To be
accepted by Joshua Rudnick, Esq. and Bethany Sawyer representing the
Naples Chamber of Commerce.
B. Hurricane Irma Status Report from Dan Summers, Bureau of Emergency
Services Division Director.
6. PUBLIC PETITIONS
7. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE CURRENT
OR FUTURE AGENDA
8. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
9. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by Commission
members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all participants are
required to be sworn in. Recommendation to approve a rezone from a
Rural Agricultural (A) zoning district to a Residential Planned Unit
Development (RPUD) zoning district for the project to be known as the
Cleary RPUD, to allow construction of a maximum of 63 residential
dwelling units or 200 group housing units for seniors on property located on
the south side of Immokalee Road, approximately one quarter mile east of
Logan Boulevard in Section 28, Township 48 South, Range 26 East,
consisting of 8.99± acres. [PUDZ-PL20160001985]
B. Recommendation to approve a Resolution declaring the acquisition of the
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assets of the Florida Governmental Utility Authority serving the Golden
Gate community in Collier County, Florida, by the Collier County Water-
Sewer District, and implementation of county rates is in the public interest;
to establish rates and charges; and to modify the service area of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District.
C. Recommendation to review and approve the 2017 combined Annual Update
and Inventory Report on Public Facilities and Schedule of Capital
Improvements as provided for in Section 6.02.02 of the Collier County Land
Development Code and Section 163.3177(3)(b), Florida Statutes and adopt a
Resolution that updates the 5-year Capital Improvement Schedules. (PL-
20170000596/CPSP-2017-1)17-1)
10. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
A. This item continued from the October 10, 2017 BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to direct the County Attorney to advertise and bring back
for a public hearing an ordinance reestablishing the productivity committee.
11. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT
A. This item to be heard at 10:40 a.m. Recommendation to provide direction
to the Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Advisory Committee
(CCLAAC) regarding the use of program criteria associated with the
Conservation Collier acquisition selection process in the current Ninth
Acquisition Cycle, future potential cycles, and regarding the Conservation
Collier Ordinance, Ord. 2002-63, as amended. (Alexandra Sulecki, Principal
Environmental Specialist, Parks and Recreation Division)
B. This item to be heard at 11:00 a.m. Recommendation to accept the Jail
Master Plan Final Report, consider consultant and stakeholder
recommendations and provide further staff direction. (Margaret Bishop,
Principal Project Manager, Facilities Management)
C. This item to be heard at 1:00 p.m. This item continued from the
October 10, 2017 BCC Meeting. Recommendation to renew and approve
the annual Agreement between Economic Incubators, Inc. and the Board of
County Commissioners in continued support of the established public-
private partnership designed to advance the County's economic development
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efforts. (Jace Kentner, Director of Office of Business and Economic
Development)
D. Recommendation to accept the latest terms negotiated by the Naples City
Manager and County Manager for a renewal of the Interlocal Agreement
governing reciprocal use of City and County beach parking facilities and
park and recreation programs. (Sean Callahan, Public Services Operations
Support Division Director)
E. Recommendation to award a construction contract in the amount of
$1,943,585.04 to Mitchell & Stark Construction Company, Inc. for
Invitation to Bid No. 17-7201 City Gate Boulevard North Extension, Phase
3. (Project Nos. 60129 and 50110). (Jay Ahmad, Director, Transportation
Engineering)
12. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
13. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
14. AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND/OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY
A. AIRPORT
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
C. This item to be heard at 11:30 a.m. Recommendation that the Board of
County Commissioners, acting as the Community Redevelopment Agency
Board (CRAB), review the submitted proposals to develop the 17-acre CRA
property located in the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle Redevelopment Area,
and authorize staff to enter into negotiations with one or two of the
proposers.
15. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
16. CONSENT AGENDA - All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of
each item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will
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be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
A. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
conveyance of the potable water and sewer utility facilities for
Lagomar at Fiddler's Creek Replat, PL20160000440, and to authorize
the County Manager, or his designee, to release the Utilities
Performance Security (UPS) and Final Obligation Bond in the total
amount of$7,147.10 to the Project Engineer or the Developer's
designated agent.
2) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
conveyance of the potable water and sewer facilities for Parklands,
Phases 1-3, PL20150002492, and to authorize the County Manager, or
his designee, to release the Final Obligation Bond in the total amount
of$4,000 to the Project Engineer or the Developer's designated agent.
3) Recommendation to grant final acceptance of the private roadway and
drainage improvements for the final plat of Faith Landing Phase One,
Application Number AR-12639; acceptance of the plat dedications,
and authorizing the release of the maintenance security.
4) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
conveyance of the potable water and sewer utility facilities for
Parklands, Phase 4, PL20150002596, and to authorize the County
Manager, or his designee, to release the Final Obligation Bond in the
total amount of$4,000 to the Project Engineer or the Developer's
designated agent.
5) Recommendation to grant final acceptance of the roadway and
drainage improvements for the final plat of Faith Landing Phase Two,
Application Number PL20130001663; acceptance of the plat
dedications, and authorizing the release of the maintenance security.
6) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
conveyance of the potable water and sewer utility facilities for Golf
Club of the Everglades Phase 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 and Vanderbilt Beach
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Road Force Main Extension, PL20160000085, and to authorize the
County Manager, or his designee, to release the Final Obligation Bond
in the amount of$4,000 to the Project Engineer or the Developer's
designated agent.
7) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
conveyance of the potable water utility facilities for Courtside
Commons at Wyndemere, PL20160001135 and to authorize the
County Manager, or his designee, to release the Utilities Performance
Security (UPS) and Final Obligation Bond in the total amount of
$6,241.30 to the Project Engineer or the Developer's designated
agent.
8) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all
participants are required to be sworn in. Recommendation to
approve for recording the minor final plat of Heritage Bay Commons -
Tract D Second Replat, Application Number 20170002126.
9) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all
participants are required to be sworn in. Recommendation to
approve for recording the minor final plat of Buckley Parcel Replat,
Application Number PL20170003099.
10) Recommendation to approve the release of two code enforcement
liens with an accrued value of$108,594.39 for payment of$10,000 in
the code enforcement actions entitled Board of County
Commissioners v. GMAC Mortgage, LLC, Code Enforcement Board
Case Nos. CESD20130011486 and CEPM20160007563 relating to
property located at 5071 19th Ct SW, Collier County, Florida.
11) Recommendation to approve the release of a code enforcement lien
with an accrued value of$64,230.13 for payment of$1,800 in the
code enforcement action entitled Board of County Commissioners v.
ARLP Trust 4. Code Enforcement Board Case No.
CESD20140018438 relating to property located at 4225 11th Avenue
SW, Collier County, Florida.
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12) Recommendation to approve the release of code enforcement liens
with an accrued value of$233,050 for payment of$500 in the code
enforcement actions entitled Board of County Commissioners v.
Dusan Petric. Code Enforcement Board Case No. CESD20100004782
relating to property located at 3122 Santa Barbara Blvd, Collier
County, Florida.
13) Recommendation to approve the South Florida Water Management
District (SFWMD) Agreement Nos. 4600003760, 4600003761 and
4600003762 and authorize any necessary budget amendments to
recognize grant funding in the amount of up to $200,000, $238,860
and $800,000, respectively for the construction of the Lely Branch
New Weir (Project No. 60202), the Golden Gate City Stormwater
Improvements- NW Quadrant (Project No. 51029), and West
Goodlette-Frank Road Stormwater Improvements (Project No.
60142), respectively.
14) Recommendation to approve Amendment No. 1 to a Joint
Participation Agreement (JPA) between the State of Florida,
Department of Transportation (FDOT) and Collier County, in which
the original reimbursement amount of$759,125 is divided, with
$744,125 for the construction phase and $15,000 for the Construction
Engineering and Inspection (CEI) phase; for the Countywide State
Highway System Signal Priority Preemption Expansion. Project FM
#435338-1-58/68-01(SAP Project No. 33458).
15) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign a
Collier County Landscape Maintenance Agreement ("Agreement")
between Collier County and the Richmond Park Master Condominium
Association, Inc. for landscape and irrigation improvements within the
Immokalee Road public right-of-way.
16) Recommendation to waive formal competition and approve Contract
#17-7216-WV with Metro Forecasting Models, LLC as the single
source consultant for the software and services related to updates to
the Collier County Interactive Growth Model.
17) Recommendation to provide after-the-fact approval for the 2017
TIGER IX Discretionary Grant application, sponsored by the United
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States Department of Transportation, for the Immokalee Complete
Streets - Growing Connections to Create Mobility Opportunities
Project, in the amount of$16,415,864.
18) Recommendation to approve a short-list of professional engineering
consultants and to enter into negotiations with Johnson Engineering,
Inc. pursuant to Request for Professional Services (RPS) No. 17-7222,
"Post Design & Verification Testing Services for Tree Farm Road
Phase II" (Project Nos. 61001 and 70178).
19) Recommendation to recognize funding in the amount of$78,990 from
an approved Funding Agreement between Collier Enterprises
Management, Inc. (CEMI) and the Collier Metropolitan Planning
Organization (MPO), to prepare an amendment to the 2040 Long
Range Transportation Plan (LRTP).
20) Recommendation to approve an Easement Use Agreement
(Agreement) for Lot 7, Ashley Grove, according to the plat thereof as
recorded at Plat Book 32, Pages 26 through 27 of the public records of
Collier County.
21) Recommendation to direct staff to advertise, and bring back for a
public hearing, an Ordinance to extend the temporary moratorium on
cannabis dispensing facilities from December 31, 2017 to June 30,
2018.
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
1) Recommendation for the Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA)
to approve a one-year extension of the project completion date set
forth in the Commercial Building Improvement Grant Agreement
between the CRA and Western Bike & Auto, LLC due to certain
permitting and hurricane delays.
C. PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve the selection and award contracts for
RFP #15-6469 "Well Testing, Drilling, and Maintenance" to
Youngquist Brothers Incorporated, Layne Christensen Company,
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Wells and Water Incorporated, Naples Well Drilling Incorporated, and
All Webbs Enterprises, Incorporated.
D. PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve the FY17-18 contract with the State of
Florida Department of Health for the operation of the Collier County
Health Department in the amount of$1,455,000.
2) Recommendation to accept and ratify fee waivers granted by the
Director of Domestic Animal Services for the period of July 1, 2017
through September 30, 2017, in accordance with the process
established by Resolution No. 2016-125 in the amount of$270.
3) Recommendation to authorize a budget amendment to transfer funds
in the amount of$232,000 from Library Fund 129 Operating Program
31129 to the Radio Frequency Identification System (RFID) Project
44037.
4) Recommendation to approve a Release of Lien for five separate State
Housing Initiatives Partnership (SHIP) Impact Fee program deferral
agreements with one developer for a combined amount of$35,419.14
for properties developed by Habitat for Humanity of Collier County,
Inc. that have been repaid to Collier County and the Release of Lien
was not executed.
5) Recommendation to approve one Release of Lien to combine the
release of 29 separate liens for a combined amount of$223,265.78 for
properties developed by Habitat for Humanity of Collier County, Inc.
that have remained affordable for the required 15-year period set forth
in the State Housing Initiatives Partnership (SHIP) Impact Fee
program deferral agreements.
6) Recommendation to approve two State Housing Initiative Partnership
(SHIP) Subrecipient Agreements with Housing Development
Corporation of SW Florida, Inc. d/b/a HELP in the amount of$24,877
and Rock Island Economic Growth Corporation d/b/a Economic
Growth Corporation in the amount of$24,500 for the administration
of a Homebuyer Education and Counseling Program for State of
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Florida FY 16/17.
7) Recommendation to approve the acceptance of the State Housing
Initiatives Partnership (SHIP) Program FY 2017/2018 allocation in
the amount of$1,520,545 and approve a budget amendment
recognizing $219,282.19 in program income for Fiscal Year
2017/2018.
8) Recommendation to award Bid #17-7195 Purchase and Installation of
Bus Wraps to Bella Signs and Designs, Inc.
9) Recommendation to accept and appropriate a private donation of
$25,000 to benefit the Headquarters Regional Library and approve the
necessary budget amendment.
10) Recommendation to approve the after-the-fact submittal of a grant
request to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
(FWC) for funding in the amount of$3,675 for the purchase and
delivery of three (3) Bearsaver Trash Receptacles for three (3) Collier
County park sites.
11) Recommendation to approve a Resolution indicating the Collier
County Board of County Commissioners' desire to be re-designated
as the Community Transportation Coordinator (CTC) for Collier
County.
12) Recommendation to approve an Agreement with the State Department
of Environmental Protection (DEP) Division of Recreation and Parks
to provide transit service into Delnor-Wiggins State Park, and
authorize the Chairman to sign the agreement.
13) Recommendation to approve and execute the attached five-year Joint
Participation Agreement (JPA) with Florida Department of
Transportation (FDOT) in the amount of$1,791,176 under State
Transit Block Grant Program Contract Number G0Q98 providing for
State funding for eligible Collier County fixed route transit
administrative, management, and operation expenses in the amount of
$895,588, approve a FY17-18 local match in the amount of$895,588,
and approve the necessary budget amendments.
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14) Recommendation to approve the FY2017/18 Transportation
Disadvantaged Trust Fund Trip/Equipment Amendment with the
Florida Commission for the Transportation Disadvantaged (CTD).
15) Recommendation to approve a sub-recipient agreement between
Collier County and the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill of
Collier County (NAMI) providing for $24,579.15 of FY17-18
Emergency Solutions Grant (ESG) Funding.
16) Recommendation to approve an "after-the-fact" Amendment and
Attestation Statement with Area Agency on Aging for Southwest
Florida, Inc. (Agency) and to approve a budget amendment for the
FY17 Older Americans Act Title OAAIII Program to ensure
continuous funding for FY17 (Fiscal Impact of the OAA programs of
$11,460 and local match funding of$1,443.88).
17) Recommendation to approve an agreement with the David Lawrence
Mental Health Center (DLC) to administer the allocation of the state-
mandated match for FY18 in the amount of$1,949,400.
18) Recommendation to approve "after-the-fact" amendments and
attestation statements with the Area Agency on Aging for Southwest
Florida, Inc. (Agency), Community Care for the Elderly (CCE),
Alzheimer's Disease Initiative (ADI), and Home Care for the Elderly
(HCE) grant programs for Services for Seniors and authorize Budget
Amendments to reflect the final FY 16/17 grant funding amount. (Net
Fiscal Impact $1,957.21).
19) Recommendation to approve "after-the-fact" amendments and
attestation statements with the Area Agency on Aging for Southwest
Florida, Inc. (Agency), Community Care for the Elderly (CCE,
Alzheimer's Disease Initiative (ADI), and Home Care for the Elderly
(HCE) grant programs for Services for Seniors and authorize Budget
Amendments to ensure continuous funding for FY2017/2018. (Net
Fiscal Impact $179,372.45).
20) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid (ITB) #17-7105R
"Baseball and Softball Officials" to Collier Recreation
Baseball/Softball Umpire Association, Inc. and authorize the Chair to
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execute the attached contract.
21) Recommendation to approve Agreement #18-7243-NS with Collier
County Sheriff's Office for the reimbursement of$57,517.20 for
intersection control outside of Delnor-Wiggins State Park at peak
times during the year.
22) Recommendation to approve the after-the-fact award acceptance
electronically and execute the agreement with the U.S. Department of
Justice (DOJ) - Office of Justice Programs to accept funding for the
Adult Court Discretionary Grant Program in the amount of$400,000
and approve a budget amendment to allocate the funding.
23) Recommendation to authorize the necessary Budget Amendments to
reflect the estimated funding for Calendar Year 2018 Older
Americans Act (OAA) Programs in the amount of$1,065,348 and the
required match of$112,840.99.
24) Recommendation to authorize a Purchase Order in the amount of
$65,580 for USA Shade & Fabric Structures as the sole source vendor
to repair and install the shade structure for the pickleball courts at East
Naples Community Park.
25) This item continued from the June 13, 2017 Meeting.
Recommendation to reaffirm staff administration of the State Housing
Initiatives Partnership (SHIP) Program as administrative and
ministerial, adopt a $30,000 cash asset limit for applicant households,
and direct staff to amend the Local Housing Assistance Plan (LHAP)
accordingly.
26) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid (ITB) #17-7165 to
multiple firms to provide construction-related expertise and review for
grant-funded residential rehabilitation projects.
27) Recommendation to consider a request to waive Performance
Measures penalties assessed to Medical Transportation Management
(MTM), Inc. and MV Transportation, Inc. in accordance with
Agreement #15-6424 for Management Services Contract for the
Collier Area Transit (CAT) Fixed Route and Paratransit Program.
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E. ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to award RFP #17-7127, "3-1-1/Customer
Relationship Management (CRM) Initiative," to Qscend
Technologies, Inc.
2) Recommendation to recognize accrued interest from the period
October 2016 through June 2017 earned by EMS County Grant and
appropriate funds for a total amount of$614.72.
3) Recommendation to waive competition and standardize the purchase
of Stryker Power Pro Ambulance Cots, warranty, parts and
accessories from Stryker EMS.
4) Recommendation to approve the administrative reports prepared by
the Procurement Services Division for change orders and other
contractual modifications requiring Board approval.
5) Recommendation to waive the Ethics Ordinance and accept an offer,
at no cost to the County, to honor two members of EMS as
representatives of the agency for their actions and contributions
related to Hurricane Irma impacts at the American Music Awards
(AMA) in Los Angeles, California.
6) Recommendation to fund and authorize any necessary budget
amendments needed for a one-time payment in the amount of$50,000
to the Immokalee Fire District to partially reimburse funds already
expended for station plans for a future co-owned EMS/Fire station in
Ave Maria.
7) Recommendation to authorize issuance of a Purchase Order to CDR
Maguire, Inc. under RFP #17-7116 Disaster Recovery Consulting
Services in the amount of$633,800 and authorize a budget
amendment for continuing support in developing and preparing
project worksheets for FEMA reimbursement of expenditures
associated with Hurricane Irma.
F. COUNTY MANAGER OPERATIONS
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1) Recommendation to Award ITB #17-7130R for "Pelican Bay
Irrigation" to Stahlman-England Irrigation, Inc. in the amount of
$199,850, and authorize the chair to execute the attached Agreement.
2) Recommendation to award ITB Bid #17-7208 — Annual Landscape
Maintenance Bayshore MSTU to Ground Zero Landscaping Services,
Inc.
3) Recommendation to award RFP #17-7120 for Tourism Midwest Sales
Representation to Synergy-Connect, LLC, execute the County
Attorney approved contract in the amount of$81,500 and make a
finding that this item promotes tourism.
4) Recommendation to approve Tourist Development Tax Promotion
funding to support four upcoming December 2017 Sports Events up to
$19,650 and make a finding that these expenditures promote tourism.
5) Recommendation to approve an amendment to the FY 18 Category C-
2 grant to Artis-Naples due to storm damage to the Baker Museum,
approve Contract Amendment # 1 and make a finding that this action
promotes tourism.
6) Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating grants, donations, contributions or insurance proceeds)
to the Fiscal Year 2017-18 Adopted Budget.
7) Recommendation to approve a report covering budget amendments
impacting reserves and moving funds in an amount up to and
including $25,000 and $50,000, respectively.
8) Recommendation to authorize additional FY 2018 budget
amendments covering post Hurricane Irma clean up and recovery for
Debris Removal.
G. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
H. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
1) Proclamation honoring Mr. Joseph Manuel for achieving the rank of
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Eagle Scout. This proclamation will be mailed to Mr. Manuel.
2) Recommendation to approve a resolution requesting that the Florida
Attorney General increase efforts to investigate reverse mortgage
fraud.
3) Recommendation to approve a resolution endorsing the dedication of
the portion of Interstate 75 from mile marker 110 to the Broward
County line as the "Submarine Veterans Memorial Highway."
MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
J. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1) Report to the Board regarding the investment of County funds as of
the quarter ended September 30, 2017.
2) Recommendation to endorse the United States Department of Justice
and United States Department of Treasury combined Equitable
Sharing Agreement and Certification through September 30, 2018.
3) To record in the minutes of the Board of County Commissioners, the
check number (or other payment method), amount, payee, and
purpose for which the referenced disbursements were drawn for the
periods between October 12 and November 1, 2017 pursuant to
Florida Statute 136.06.
4) Request that the Board approve and determine valid public purpose
for invoices payable and purchasing card transactions as of November
8, 2017.
K. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1) Recommendation to approve a Mediated Settlement Agreement for
the total amount of$65,664 for the taking of Parcel 281RDUE in the
pending case styled Collier County v. Nabil Joseph, et al, Case No.
16-CA-1256, required for the Golden Gate Boulevard Project, Project
No. 60145 (From 20th Street East to east of Everglades Boulevard).
(Fiscal Impact: $53,464)
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2) Recommendation to approve a Mediated Settlement Agreement in the
amount of$56,650 for full compensation and statutory attorney fees,
expert fees and costs, plus up to $5,000 in supplemental attorney fees,
if any, for Parcel 146RDUE in the case styled Collier County v.
Benjamin Sanchez, et al., Case No. 15-CA-0249 required for
improvements to Golden Gate Boulevard (Project No. 60040). [Fiscal
Impact: $52,920]
3) Recommendation to approve a pre-hearing Joint Motion for Stipulated
Order of Taking and Final Judgment in the amount of$9,512 for
Parcel 443RDUE, in the lawsuit captioned Collier County v. John R.
Brunner, et al, Case No. 17-CA-1452, required for the Golden Gate
Boulevard Expansion Project No. 60145. (Fiscal Impact: $9,682)
4) Recommendation to approve a Joint Motion for Stipulated Final
Judgment in the amount of$12,400 for Parcel 33ORDUE, in the
lawsuit captioned Collier County v. Priscilla Dias, et al, Case No. 16-
CA-1393, required for the Golden Gate Boulevard Expansion Project
No. 60145. (Fiscal Impact: $5,900)
5) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the total
amount of$12,000 for the taking of Parcel 339RDUE required for the
Golden Gate Blvd. Project No. 60145 (from 20th St. E. to east of
Everglades Blvd.), in the pending case styled Collier County v.
William J. Zavasky, Jr., et al., Case No. 16-CA-1272. (Fiscal Impact:
$10,700)
6) Recommendation to appoint a member to the Coastal Advisory
Committee.
7) Recommendation to reappoint one member to the
Historic/Archaeological Preservation Board.
8) Recommendation to reappoint two member(s) to the Golden Gate
Beautification Advisory Committee.
9) Recommendation to reappoint a member to the Golden Gate Estates
Land Trust Committee.
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10) Recommendation to declare a vacancy on the Black Affairs Advisory
Board.
11) Recommendation to establish the Collier County Ad Hoc Senior
Advisory Committee, for an initial term of one year, to assist the
Board of County Commissioners in compiling and identifying issues
as they relate to the safety and wellbeing of senior citizens in Collier
County.
17. SUMMARY AGENDA - This section is for advertised public hearings and
must meet the following criteria: 1) A recommendation for approval from
staff; 2) Unanimous recommendation for approval by the Collier County
Planning Commission or other authorizing agencies of all members present
and voting; 3) No written or oral objections to the item received by staff, the
Collier County Planning Commission, other authorizing agencies or the
Board, prior to the commencement of the BCC meeting on which the items
are scheduled to be heard; and 4) No individuals are registered to speak in
opposition to the item. For those items which are quasi-judicial in nature, all
participants must be sworn in.
A. This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by Commission
members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all participants are
required to be sworn in. Recommendation to approve an Ordinance
amending Ordinance No. 14-24, as amended, the Buckley Mixed Use
Planned Unit Development (MPUD), to approve an insubstantial change to
the MPUD to reduce the minimum lot area and minimum lot width for single
family detached dwelling units, and providing for an effective date. The
subject property is located at the northwest quadrant of the intersection of
Airport-Pulling Road and Orange Blossom Drive, in Section 2, Township 49
South, Range 25 East, Collier County, FL, consisting of 21.7± acres. [PDI-
PL20170002630]
B. Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating carry forward, transfers and supplemental revenue) to the
Fiscal Year 2017-18 Adopted Budget.
18. ADJOURN
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INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA SHOULD
BE MADE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE AT 252-8383.
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MR. OCHS: Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats.
Madam Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Good morning. It's such a pleasure to
see so many people here. It's our one meeting in November. And on
behalf of the County Commission, I wish everyone a wonderful
Thanksgiving that's coming up and the beginning of a great holiday
season.
So on that, we will -- you know, let me just do one more thing,
and then I will give you -- I guess I don't have it here -- the artist in the
back, and I have it right here, just so we know -- I think I do. Forgive
me. Forgive me. I do not.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I wanted you to note while you're
looking for that that four of us got the message about wearing blue
today.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And one didn't.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Plus the Clerk of Courts office.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So the artist of the month is a part-time
Collier County resident. His name is Mauricio Garay. I don't know if
he's here. Forgive me for murdering that if I didn't pronounce it
correctly.
He descended from a family with an artistic tradition. And
Mauricio has had a passion for art from the early age. He is a
self-taught figurative and impressionist painter and has vibrant colors
that are among his personal signature. So we welcome that.
It's a -- it is a program that we have now recently installed in the
commission, and it's certainly enriched our meetings, and it's lovely to
see the talent that we have here.
So on that, we have the invocation from Reverend Dawson
Taylor and, after that, we'll have a Pledge of Allegiance. And,
Commissioner Solis, if you'd lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
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Item #1A
INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
REVEREND TAYLOR: Let us join our hearts together in
prayer. Let us pray.
Loving God, in this season of giving thanks, we pause in the
midst of a busy world to especially give you thanks for this community
in which we are so proud to be a part.
We give you thanks for all of those who have served our nation in
times of war and peace, for those who guard our streets, and for those
who continue to bring our community back to wholeness following
Hurricane Irma.
We ask that you be with each of our leaders as they make
decisions today, grant to them your wisdom, and we give you thanks
for all of those who make this great community what it is, and we ask
that you would continue to lead us forward.
In all this we trust and ask in your many names. Amen.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you, Reverend Taylor. And
Reverend Taylor is from the Naples United Church of Christ. Thank
you very much. That was a beautiful prayer.
County Manager?
Item #2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY'S REGULAR, CONSENT AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS AMENDED (EX PARTE
DISCLOSURE PROVIDED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR
CONSENT AGENDA.) – APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED
W/CHANGES
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MR. OCHS: Good morning, Madam Chair and Commissioners.
These are the proposed agenda changes for the Board of County
Commissioners meeting of November 14, 2017.
The first proposed change is to continue Item 16D6 on your
consent agenda to the next meeting, which will be held on December
12th, 2017, and that's a staff request.
The next proposed change is to move Item 16D25 off of the
consent agenda to become Item 11F under the County Manager's
regular agenda. This move is made at Commissioner McDaniel's
request.
The next proposed change is to add an item to the County
Manager's regular agenda. It will become Item 11G. This is a
recommendation to fund a Hurricane Irma concert event in Downtown
Naples which will be held on December the 9th. And that add-on is at
the staff's request.
The next proposed change is a related add-on item. It would be
Item 11H under the County Manager's agenda. This is a
recommendation to waive some of the public safety special event fees
related to the Naples is Rocking concert that I just mentioned, and that
is also added at the staff's request because of the time-sensitive nature
of the event.
The next proposed change is to move Item 16F3 from the consent
agenda to become Item 11I under the County Manager's regular
agenda. This move is made at Commissioner Taylor's request.
Commissioners, we have an ambitious time-certain schedule
today. Four items scheduled for specific time-certain hearings. The
first would be Item 11A. That will be heard at 10:40 a.m. That has to
do with some recommended modifications to the Collier --
Conservation Collier Land Acquisition criteria for site acquisitions.
Item 11B is scheduled to be heard at 11 a.m., and that's the report on
the jail master plan. Item 14B1 is scheduled to be heard at 11:30 a.m.
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That is a presentation from the staff and two of the proposers that have
submitted proposals to redevelop the 17-acre site in the
Bayshore/Gateway CRA. That's 11:30 a.m. And then at 1:00 Item C
is scheduled to be heard. That is the discussion on the proposed
renewal of the operating agreement between Economic Incubators,
Incorporated, and the Board for the county business accelerator
program.
Those are all the changes that I have, Madam Chair.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you very much.
Commissioner McDaniel, any changes to the agenda?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: None. Okay. And I think any ex parte
except the one that we have with our advertising hearing.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am, I understand. And
I have no ex parte.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I have no changes, no
corrections, no additions to the agenda.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No ex parte on the consent agenda,
but one small item on the summary agenda, which is 17A, and I
received a staff report.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No changes, no ex parte on the
consent or the summary agenda.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No changes and I have no ex
parte on the consent agenda as well.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. And I have no changes or
additions and just -- and no ex parte on anything except for the
advertised public hearing.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll move to approve the
agenda.
MR. MILLER: Madam Chair, I'm sorry. I do have a registered
speaker for a consent-agenda item. Item 16F5, Dr. Joseph Doyle.
Would you like to hear him now?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes. Before the motion, yeah.
MR. MILLER: And Dr. Doyle has been ceded three additional
minutes from Sandra Doyle, who is present.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Which item was this on?
MR. MILLER: 16F5, sir,
MR. OCHS: Sir, this is a recommendation to approve an
amendment to the FY '18 Category C2 grants to Artis Naples due to
storm damage to the Baker Museum, and approve a Contract
Amendment #1, making a finding that this action promotes tourism, as
it's a TDC Category C grant.
DR. DOYLE: Good morning, Commissioners. Dr. Joseph Doyle,
Naples.
I come before you today because I feel that the requested change
from an exhibition, which is going to be the Moderns exhibit from
October through January, to four concerts is an inappropriate use of
tourist tax dollars.
You can see here this is the original contract. It says -- if you
look down to the middle here it says, finding that the grantee qualifies
as a museum -- which is true for what the original intent was, $175,000
to bring the French Moderns exhibit to the Baker Museum.
But this contract was approved on your consent agenda on
September 26th. It was originally approved by the tourist -- the TDC,
Tourist Development Council, on May 22nd, but that was all before
Irma. Irma came -- Baker Museum is damaged. It cannot bring the
exhibit to Naples, so they're requesting the change.
So for one thing, I have issues with the fact that we're talking
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about four concerts. It's not going to be a museum exhibit. The
museum exhibit was going to be 90 days or so. These are four
concerts, four nights. That's a lot different.
I personally have traveled in my lifetime a couple times to Atlanta
to see King Tut, the Samurai Warriors, to Dallas to see the Eastern
Asian exhibits. I've traveled around the county to see exhibits. It's true
tourism when you spend your overnight bed tax, et cetera, et cetera.
These four concerts, I will tell you, are already sold out, okay. I
went online to the Artis Naples website last night. Most of these are --
February 12th is the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. That's one night;
February 27th and 28th is the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra; and
then there are just a few tickets left for the Academy of St. Martin in
the Fields March 27th with Joshua Bell.
Now, these are all fine things. My niece plays the violin, et
cetera, et cetera, but I think in this particular case these are already sold
out. What do they need $175,000 for?
Also, the exhibit that was going to run three months was
supposed to bring in 9,400 bed nights. Terrific. But these are going to
be four nights of concerts. They're saying that it's going to have
overnight visitors of 1,530. I would say that most of these are local
people who are going to go to these concerts, because I know I'd like to
go, too. So I really have questions about the figures.
So you have a couple of things you can do. You can, you know,
pull it off and talk about it, further discussion later today, or December
12th, your next meeting, or reject it outright. I mean, you have
options. I just wanted to bring this to your attention. I feel that it's --
the other thing you could do is even prorate it. You know, since it
looks like 9,400 bed nights, room nights were going to be the original
intent, now we're down to 1,500, if you even believe that. If you
prorate it by one-sixth, you'd give them about 30,000 instead of
175,000.
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Because I know -- you just found out from the Coastal Advisory
Committee that we're going to need some of this money now to restore
the beaches since we may not get reimbursed from FEMA based on the
way the sand came off the beaches.
So I just wanted to -- you know, a lot of things we can use tourist
money for. I just feel, unfortunately, it's unappropriate. And it's
nothing against Artis Naples. I just don't think that this meets the
intent of the ordinance.
Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Madam Chair, I'm sorry. I was handed an
additional slip on this item for Mr. Forester who, I believe, is with
Artis Naples.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, good. Okay. Any questions for
Dr. Doyle?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Dr. Doyle, I respectfully disagree with
you, and let me explain why.
There's a way of tracking room nights, and when you have this
lineup, I mean, it's incredible. I would think that people would come
and spend the night here from Sarasota or from Miami to hear this. I
mean, St. Martins in the Field, Academy of St. -- Vienna Philharmonic
Orchestra; we're talking top of the top.
Well, it's a huge draw, perhaps not for everyone. But if you know
classical music, this is a very, very impressive lineup, and it would, in
my opinion, draw people from other places to spend the night here and
enjoy our community.
DR. DOYLE: Oh, I don't doubt that. I just question the number,
1,500, and it also is one-sixth of the original draw that was going to be
for the exhibition, so I'm thinking proration.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
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MR. OCHS: The item was recommended by your Tourist
Development Council.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Thank you.
MR. FORESTER: I'd just like to make a couple comments.
Jonathan Forester, Communications Director at Artis Naples.
The concerts, while they are the centerpieces of this presentation,
are not the sole activities that people like the Vienna Philharmonic will
be participating in while they're here in Naples. They will be doing
master classes that are free and open to the public. They will be doing
performances in the schools. They're out in our community being a
part of our community, and they have been for the past two years.
This will be the third year of this residency.
And so I just wanted you to know that while there are limited
tickets available for the performances for the Vienna Philharmonic, but
there are tickets available for Academy of St. Martin in the Fields and
the Chicago Symphony that are all part of the series. It's not just the
performances themselves that will bring people into the community.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I'm sure there's a cost to bringing
these orchestras within -- to the community.
MR. FORESTER: Yes. The $175,000, I believe, that was on the
TDC grant, does not come anywhere near the cost of actually bringing
these people to our community.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm just curious. Is this -- are these
recurring concerts that they've been doing every year or --
MR. FORESTER: This will be the third year for the Vienna
Philharmonic to be --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. FORESTER: -- in Naples as part of a three-year residency.
Our visiting orchestras program every year brings in between three and
five world-class orchestras to the community to perform in Hayes Hall
and to do other events throughout the community. We've had in the
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past, you know, everyone from the Israel Philharmonic to the New
York Philharmonic. You know, this year, we have Chicago Symphony
with Riccardo Munti, who's their music director; we have the
Academy of St. Martin in the Fields with Joshua Bell, who's one of the
most renowned violinists in the world; and the Vienna Philharmonic
for their third and final year of this residency.
Going forward we hope to have similar residencies with other
world-class orchestras like the Vienna Philharmonic where we would
see them perform in our community year after year in order to, again,
continue to brand Collier County as an arts destination. And I think
that -- and a lot of this also goes to that. We want to brand Collier
County as a world-class cultural tourism destination.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I don't remember this from what
I've looked at, but have we used TDC funds for concerts like this in the
past? I'm just curious.
MR. FORESTER: I am not aware of that, but -- I'm sorry. I don't
have that in front of me.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'd like to ask the County
Attorney, there's been a question raised as to whether this type of
expenditure is appropriate. I want to make sure from a legal standpoint
we have no issues there.
MR. KLATZKOW: Yeah. The item went before the TDC. They
found it promoted tourism. And part of your deliberations on this is a
finding that it promotes tourism. That's sufficient.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. FORESTER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We've already voted.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. So --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We've already voted.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any discussion? Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. So there's a motion on the
floor.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The motion to approve the
agenda as amended.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Do I hear a second?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second -- third.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Motion to -- motion on the floor
to approve the agenda as amended and a second. Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I do have one point of
discussion. Are we approving the consent agenda and summary as
well at this time?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah, that would be included
in the motion. I apologize for not --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, no, no. I wanted to make
sure. I had two points I wanted to make. I didn't want to pull the issue,
but with regard to the extension of the moratorium, I want to be held as
not in favor of the extension of the moratorium.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Then you approve the agenda except
for --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- the extension of the moratorium.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am. His motion did
not include the consent and summary, and I just wanted to -- I wanted
to make sure that we -- where we were at, Madam Chair, so...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I hate to throw a monkey wrench
into the works here, but I'd like to have a discussion on that instead of
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doing that on a summary.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Let's pull it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Pull it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Can we pull the moratorium issue?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'd like to pull that and just have a
discussion about that.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. So I think if the motion maker
would agree to withdraw the motion to and the seconder --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It was Andy.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- would agree to follow the motion
maker, and let's start again.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Sorry.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So then what number is it on the
summary agenda?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: If you'd be a little more clear
with our motions, then we'd all know.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll try to next time.
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, Item 16A21 is the item --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. OCHS: -- that Commissioner McDaniel has an interest in,
and we would move that to the County Manager's regular agenda.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Which is No. J?
MR. OCHS: It would be 11J, yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: 11J, okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Then I'll try this again. I'll
make a motion to approve today's regular, consent, and summary
agenda, and the agenda for today's meeting as amended.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Ah, okay. Motion on the floor and a
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second. Any other discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: With one comment, and that is
-- the other point is, as you see, there are a couple of young men here
to be honored today with their Eagle Scout awards, and there was one
whose parents would not pull him out of school. What's up with that?
So Joseph Manuel is this young man's name, and I just -- I wanted to
formally mention his name. He is on the consent agenda because his
parents wouldn't let me take him out of school, so...
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm glad you brought that up. I was
wondering about that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. All right. All those in favor, say
aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously. Thank
goodness. All right.
Moving right along, good start.
Proposed Agenda Changes
Board of County Commissioners Meeting
November 14,2017
Continue Item 16D6 to the December 12,2017 BCC Meeting: Recommendation to approve
two State Housing Initiative Partnership(SHIP) Subrecipient Agreements with Housing
Development Corporation of SW Florida,Inc. d/b/a HELP in the amount of$24,877 and Rock
Island Economic Growth Corporation d/b/a Economic Growth Corporation in the amount of
$24,500 for the administration of a Homebuyer Education and Counseling Program for State of
Florida FY 16/17. (Staff's request)
Move Item 16D25 to Item 11F: ***This Item continued from the June 13,2017 Meeting.***
Recommendation to reaffirm staff administration of the State Housing Initiatives Partnership
(SHIP)Program as administrative and ministerial,adopt a $30,000 cash asset limit for applicant
households, and direct staff to amend the Local Housing Assistance Plan(LHAP) accordingly.
(Commissioner McDaniel's request)
Add-On Item 11G: Recommendation to fund a Tourism Division Sponsorship for a Post
Hurricane Irma concert event in the downtown Naples area up to $125,000, move these funds to the
Community Foundation for event expense disbursement and make a finding that this item promotes
tourism. (Staff's request)
Add-On Item 11H: Recommendation to waive EMS special event user fees in the amount of
$900.00 to provide dedicated ambulance coverage,to accept a donation by the Collier County Sheriff
for event security services to support the"Naples is Rockin' concert"being held to inform the public
that Collier County is open for business and encouraging tourism after Hurricane Irma,and to find a
public purpose in waiving such fees. (Staff's request)
Move Item 16F3 to Item 11I: Recommendation to award RFP# 17-7120 for Tourism Midwest
Sales Representation to Synergy-Connect,LLC, execute the County Attorney approved contract in
the amount of$81,500 and make a finding that this item promotes tourism. (Commissioner
Taylor's request)
Time Certain Items:
Item 11A to be heard at 10:40 a.m.
Item 11B to be heard at 11:00 a.m.
Item 14B1 to be heard at 11:30 a.m.
Item 11C to be heard at 1:00 p.m.
11/14/2017 8:32 AM
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Item #2B
OCTOBER 10, 2017 BCC/REGULAR MEETING MINUTES –
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Item 2B, Madam Chair, is approval of the BCC
regular meeting minutes from your October 10, 2017, meeting.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Move to approve the minutes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Second. Motion on the floor to
approve the minutes of the October 10th, 2017, BCC meeting, and
there's a second. All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously. Thank you.
Item #3A
EMPLOYEE SERVICES AWARDS – 20 and 30 YEAR
ATTENDEES
MR. OCHS: That brings us to this morning's employee service
awards. Commissioners, if you'd be kind enough to join us in front of
the dais.
Commissioners, we're pleased to present two employee service
recognition awards this morning. The first is recognizing 20 years of
county service in our Road Maintenance Division for Benito Barnhart.
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Benito.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thanks for all your service.
MR. OCHS: Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: And now we're celebrating 30 years of service with
county government in our Emergency Medical Services Division,
Noemi Fraguela. Noemi.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Notice how tall I look.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's what I was saying.
MR. OCHS: Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: And that concludes our service awards this
morning, Commissioners. Thank you.
Item #3D
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, Item 3D is a recommendation to
recognize Edwin Barroso, maintenance specialist with our Public
Services Department, as your October 2017 Employee of the Month.
Edwin, if you'd please step forward and receive your award.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Congratulations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Which department again?
MR. BARROSO: Parks and Rec.
MR. OCHS: While he gets his photo, I'm going to sit here and
brag on him a little bit and embarrass him.
Commissioners, Edwin's been with the Parks and Recreation
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Division for 25 years and works in our aquatics and irrigation branch
of the parks division. As an irrigation specialist, Edwin works all over
the county and has demonstrated he can take care of any task or project
that's assigned to him.
For the past couple of months he's been shaping up the aquatic
facility at the Immokalee Sports Complex and bringing it up to even
better standards. He's dedicated himself to this project and has worked
diligently to get the park in tiptop shape.
He's turned the complex around with his improvements and
continues working to make it a showpiece in the Collier County
community. Everybody knows if you want something done, you ask
Edwin. He gets it done.
That's just one of the reasons why he's so deserving of this award
and, Commissioners, it's my honor to present Edwin Barroso, your
October 2017 employee of the month. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
Madam Chair, that takes us to Item 4, proclamations.
Item #4
PROCLAMATIONS – ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT ALL
PROCLAMATIONS – ADOPTED
Item #4A
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NOVEMBER 19-25, 2017 AS
NATIONAL FARM CITY WEEK IN COLLIER COUNTY.
ACCEPTED BY CYNDEE WOOLLEY, PRESIDENT OF THE
FARM CITY BBQ OF COLLIER COUNTY – ADOPTED
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MR. OCHS: Item 4A is a proclamation designating November
19 through 25th, 2017, as National Farm-City Week in Collier County.
To be accepted by Cyndee Woolley, president of the Farm-City
Barbecue of Collier County.
Cyndee? I think she brought some friends with her today.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Boy, look at all the good guys on
this team. Thank you.
MS. WOOLLEY: And we can't let Bart hide. He's the past chair.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Here I am.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Cyndee, tell us how people can park.
MS. WOOLLEY: I'm happy to address that.
Good morning, Commissioners. For the record, my name is
Cyndee Woolley. I'm the President of the Farm-City Barbecue, Inc.,
of Collier County.
I'd like to start today by saying that our 2017 Chair, Bill Barker,
sends his regrets. He was not able to accommodate the meeting today
but lends his support fully and looks forward to seeing you next week.
I would also like to take a second to recognize some of our past
chairs who are with me today. That would include Sheriff Rambosk,
Jamie Weisinger, Bart Zino, and I believe we have Stephanie
Kissinger's husband, Steven Kissinger. So he counts in lieu; in lieu.
We also have our host sponsor this year, which is the Marine
Industries Association of Collier County and, of course, Mayor Bill
Barnett was here to join us as well in the showing of the support for the
Farm-City Barbecue.
As you know, the Farm-City Barbecue has humble roots in
Collier County. We tell the story of our second, third, probably third
and fourth generation volunteers at this point, my daughter joining
among those. We've weathered many storms together, and this event
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was started in -- following a bad crop season where the businesspeople
hosted the farmers in the city for a barbecue, and the next year the
farmers reciprocated.
Through the years, we've weathered storms such as Hurricane
Wilma and Hurricane Charley that have had devastating effects on the
agricultural industry. And numbers that I'm seeing are 2.5 billion
dollars in the State of Florida, including $760 million losses in the
citrus industry alone.
But all of our committee members stood strong, stood Collier
strong because of the relationships that we built through the years,
through working together, through events such as the Farm-City
Barbecue, and we're proud to be here, and we're proud to stand
together.
One of the events that was lost because of Hurricane Irma was the
Southwest Florida Lawn and Garden Show at the University of Florida
IFAS Extension Office because of damage sustained during Hurricane
Irma. At that event, normally Keep Collier Beautiful gives out about
3,000 trees, local trees, to area residents. When we heard of that loss,
the Farm-City Barbecue stood up and volunteered to give away those
trees as well.
So in partnership with Keep Collier Beautiful and the National
Wildlife Federation, Farm-City Barbecue will be giving away 3,000
Florida native trees at the Farm-City Barbecue this year, and those are
free to anyone who comes in and joins in the event.
We are also looking forward to donating back to growing our next
generation of leaders. This event does not have any paid staff. We
raise money in support of local leadership programs through 4H,
Youth Leadership Collier, Junior Deputies, and Kiwanis Key Clubs.
And we're expecting to give another 50- to $60,000 back into the
community just through the support of our generous sponsor and the
active engagement of our next generation of leaders.
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So, Commissioners, I'd like to say thank you so much for your
support. And we do have special parking designated for our
dignitaries who are coming in on tight schedules, but we're assured by
the City of Naples, and we've been coordinating extensively with the
City of Naples. Their permitting staff, their community services, the
Naples Police Department has lent their full support to the Farm-City
Barbecue.
And we will have signs directing where parking is available. And
we have shut down a portion of Eighth Street to ensure that there is
safety for those people that are walking and crossing between parking
garages and around the park.
So we're looking forward to a fun, safe kickoff to the holiday
season.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How many people do you expect to
greet there this year?
MS. WOOLLEY: We're thinking because of the location, we
could be getting 3,000 people. Our record number has been 2,400, and
we had 2,400 out at the Seminole Casino last year out in Immokalee.
So I think right now the pulse of the community is that we need to
come together, and we need this sense of community and strength.
And I think we'll have a strong support system there.
Thank you, Commissioners.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NOVEMBER 2017 AS
NATIONAL HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH IN
COLLIER COUNTY. ACCEPTED BY REPRESENTATIVES OF
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AVOW HOSPICE: JAYSEN ROA, PHYLLIS HALL, PAT
MARTIN, KATHY SCHILLREFF, JACK FULMER, KIM
BORSELLI, DR. CYNTHIA NEHRKORN, ANNALISE SMITH,
MELISSA PHILLIPS, MARK BELAND, REBECCA GATIAN,
KERRI ERVIN AND JOEL COZZALO – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4B is a proclamation designating November
2017 as National Hospice and Palliative Care Month in Collier
County. To be accepted by the following representatives of Avow
Hospice: Jason Roa, Phyllis Hall, Pat Martin, Reverend Kathy
Schillreff, Jack Fulmer, Kim Borselli, Dr. Cynthia Nehrkorn, Annalise
Smith, Melissa Phillips, Mark Beland, Rebecca Gatain, Kerri Ervin,
and Joel Cozzalo. I hope I got most of those right. Please step
forward.
(Applause.)
MR. ROA: Good morning. Madam Chair, Commissioners. On
behalf of myself, Jason Roa, the President and CEO of Avow Hospice,
our board of directors, our hundreds of wonderful volunteers here in
Collier County and, of course, our staff who goes out day after day and
provides care to all the residents of Collier County whenever they're in
need, thank you very much for this recognition.
Truly, it wouldn't be possible without the community for us to
continually provide the care we've provided to Collier County since
1983, if it wasn't for the community support and the support of Collier
County Government.
So, again, on behalf of our entire staff, our board, all of our
volunteers, we do truly appreciate this recognition. Thank you very
much.
(Applause.)
Item #4C
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PROCLAMATION HONORING MR. DANIEL POLLITT FOR
ACHIEVING THE RANK OF EAGLE SCOUT. ACCEPTED BY
DANIEL POLLITT, JEFFREY POLLITT, DANIELLE POLLITT
AND PAM SHUDES – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4C is a proclamation honoring Mr. Daniel
Pollitt for achieving the rank of Eagle Scout. To be accepted by
Daniel Pollitt, Jeffrey Pollitt, and Danielle Pollitt. If you'd please step
forward and receive your recognition.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Let me read the proclamation,
Madam Chair. Photographer, I'm coming down front. Let me read the
proclamation, and then I'll come down.
And if I may, please, forgive me for sitting, Daniel Lee Pollitt has
been involved in the Boy Scouts of America organization for 13 of his
18 years on this planet. Mr. Pollitt worked diligently to attain the rank
of Eagle Scout, which is achieved by only 4 percent of every hundred
boys that enter in scouting. Mr. Pollitt was awarded his Eagle Scout
rank during the Court of Honor, a formal ceremony on May 16th.
To achieve the rank of Eagle Scout, Mr. Pollitt had to earn at least
21 merit badges, demonstrate Scout Spirit, which he does all the time,
and an ideal attitude based upon the Scout Oath and Law, service and
leadership, and complete an extensive service project.
For his eagle service project, Mr. Pollitt built and delivered 25
raised dog beds to Collier County Domestic Animal Services. His
project promoted the health and wellbeing of animals during their stay
while promoting the values of scouting in cooperation with the
community.
In addition to receiving the Eagle Scout, Mr. Pollitt, a member of
Troop 25, was elected by his peers into the Scouting honor society
called the Order of the Arrow, which recognizes those Scouts who best
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exemplify the Scout Oath and Law in their daily lives.
This recognition provides encouragement for others to live these
ideals as well. Arrowmen are known for maintaining camping
traditions and spirit, promoting year-round and long-term resident
camping, providing cheerful service to others.
The Collier County Board of County Commissioners values Mr.
Pollitt's contribution to our committee -- to our community.
Now, therefore, be it proclaimed by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County that Mr. Daniel Pollitt is hereby
recognized and congratulated for all that he has done to make our
community a better place.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'll speak from here for a
moment, if I may. And I just want to say this. We recognized one
young man who wasn't -- his parents wouldn't bring him out of school.
All three of these young men I've been blessed to have had a small part
in their scouting career. And I really appreciate you all coming today
for this recognition.
Congratulations to you; congratulations to you. I'll give you a
hug.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Give him the proclamation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, yes, ma'am. There you go.
Congratulations.
MS. POLLITT: Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #4D
PROCLAMATION HONORING MR. EFEHAN TIMUR FOR
ACHIEVING THE RANK OF EAGLE SCOUT. ACCEPTED BY
EFEHAN TIMUR, SCOTT BEATTY, DEANNA BICKFORD,
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RANDY ROSAL AND JAMES CUNNINGHAM – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4D is a proclamation honoring Mr. Efehan
Timur for achieving the rank of Eagle Scout. To be accepted by
Efehan Timur, Scott Beatty, Chief James Cunningham, and I believe
your parents are here as well.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And that's correct. And while
they're coming up, I'm going to read his proclamation, if I may. Is that
okay?
MR. OCHS: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Whereas, Efehan Timur has
been involved in the Boy Scouts of America for the last seven of his 17
years on this planet.
Mr. Timur worked diligently to attain the rank of Eagle, which is
achieved by only four out of every hundred boys who enter Scouting.
Mr. Timur was awarded his Eagle Scout rank during the Court of
Honor, a formal ceremony on October 29th.
To achieve the rank of Eagle Scout, Mr. Timur had to earn at least
21 merit badges, demonstrate Scout Spirit -- I can read and shake
hands at the same time -- an ideal attitude based upon the Scout Oath
and Law, service and leadership, and complete an extensive service
project.
For his Eagle project, Mr. Timur, a member of Troop 2001, built
an additional canoe rack for the Greater YMCA of Collier County,
donated three canoes, personal flotation devices and paddles which
will assist to expand the aquatic program for children in youth
programs.
This recognition provides encouragement for others to live these
ideals as well. Eagle Scouts are known for maintaining camping
traditions and spirit, promoting year-round and long-term resident
camping, and providing cheerful service to others.
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Whereas, the Board of County Commissioners values Mr.
Timur's contribution to our community.
Now, therefore, be it proclaimed by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier, that Mr. Efehan Timur is hereby recognized
and congratulated for all that he has done to make our community a
better place.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Look at all the badges he's got; in
the back, too.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Now I'll really shake your
hands. Thank you very much. Congratulations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And look at Bill Poteet back there
like the Father Scout.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I know we're supposed to
talk into the mikes, but the Eagle Scouts, they walk among us. So few
are ever actually recognized for the contributions that they make to our
community, and it's such an honor for me to have had a small part in
these young men's lives and their Scouting career.
With that, let's all smile.
There you go. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
Item #4E
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THE OUTSTANDING WORK
AND EXTRAORDINARY DEDICATION OF COUNTY
EMPLOYEES IN PREPARING, PROTECTING AND
SAFEGUARDING OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE, DURING AND
AFTER HURRICANE IRMA. ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY
MANAGER, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE SENIOR
MANAGEMENT TEAM ON BEHALF OF COUNTY
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EMPLOYEES – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4E is a proclamation recognizing the
outstanding work and extraordinary dedication of county employees in
preparing, protecting, and safeguarding our community before, during,
and after Hurricane Irma. To be accepted by the County Manager, the
County Attorney, and the senior management staff on behalf of the
entire county employee team.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Now, we have to get the ones behind
Jamie to keep between --
MR. FRENCH: I asked them to come up.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I heard you ask; that's why I had to
say.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: She's all right. She's got a hole
right there.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I've got a hole right here.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No, she can't see you.
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: On September 5th, 2017, our teamwork
as Collier County employees was put to a test as the Governor declared
all of Florida in a state of emergency with Collier County Hurricane
Irma's mainland target.
And with extraordinary dedication, Collier County employees
placed duty above personal matters, exemplifying their
professionalism in every department and division serving when and
wherever needed. During mandatory evacuations, hurricane force
winds, and encroaching storm surge, Collier County employees acted
with courage and stamina day and night to safeguard our county.
Following the storm, the damaged homes, fuel shortages, power
outages, and compromised cell phone capabilities, employees stayed
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focused on clearing roads, restoring utilities, and keeping in
communication with frightened citizens around the clock. A grateful
community is emerging from the trauma and destruction with renewed
appreciation for the role the county government plays in their lives.
And with great pride, the County Manager and department heads
extend their heartfelt thanks for these outstanding efforts in supporting
and protecting our neighbors, their property, and their businesses
during Hurricane Irma.
I also received a proclamation given to Collier County. I'm not
going to read the whole thing, but it's from the City of Naples Airport
Authority. And I'd like to read part of it because I think it's very fitting
to be part of this procedure.
Hurricane Irma made landfall with the eye passing directly over
the City of Naples on Sunday, September the 10th causing substantial
damage at the Naples Airport. Significant effort and resources were
required to remove storm debris, initiate repairs, re-open the airport,
and restore critical facilities and services for the benefit of our
community in order to support emergency relief efforts immediately
after the storm.
And, now, therefore it is with sincere gratitude that the City of
Naples Airport Authority hereby honors and recognizes the following
organization for its exemplary response and support in providing
valuable assistance with the recovery efforts at Naples Airport. And,
of course, it is Collier County.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Congratulations.
MR. OCHS: Well, thank you, Commissioners, for that very kind
proclamation. We appreciate the support, and we'll make sure that that
proclamation gets on our county website so each and every employee
can download a copy and keep it right in their own office.
So, again, thank you very much. That was very kind. It's our
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pleasure to serve the community.
With that, Commissioners, if I may get a motion to approve
today's proclamations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Motion to approve today's
proclamations.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Motion on the floor and a second. All
those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
MR. OCHS: Thank you very much.
Item #5A
PRESENTATION OF THE COLLIER COUNTY BUSINESS OF
THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER 2017 TO WOODS,
WEIDENMILLER, MICHETTI, RUDNICK & GALBRAITH,
PLLC. ACCEPTED BY JOSHUA RUDNICK, ESQ. AND
BETHANY SAWYER REPRESENTING THE NAPLES
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE – PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: That takes us to Item 5A. This is a presentation of
the Collier County Business of the Month for November 2017 to
Woods, Weidenmiller, Michetti, Rudnick, and Galbraith, PLLC. To
be accepted by Joshua Rudnick, Esquire, and Bethany Sawyer on
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behalf of the Chamber. And if you'd please step forward and receive
your proclamation.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Sorry. I did not announce Rachel Kerlick
(phonetic), my apologies, and Susan Kuhar is here as well.
Congratulations.
MR. RUDNICK: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Congratulations.
(Applause.)
Item #5B
HURRICANE IRMA STATUS REPORT FROM DAN SUMMERS,
BUREAU OF EMERGENCY SERVICES DIVISION DIRECTOR –
PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Item 5B is a Hurricane Irma status report from Dan
Summers, your Director of the Bureau of Emergency Services. Mr.
Summers?
MR. SUMMERS: Good morning, Commissioners. For the
record, Dan Summers, Director of your Bureau of Emergency Services
and Emergency Management. And I'm happy to be with you again,
and thank you, again, for those very kind words this morning with the
proclamation.
I'll give you a brief update this morning. Certainly kind of a time
warp for all of us. It seems like we've been working this issue for a
very long time. And as I mentioned before, response is hard, and
recovery is harder, and the team continues to work very hard in all of
these areas.
Today let me just quickly go over three key areas: Survivor and
neighbor assistance, as well as debris removal, and see if you have any
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questions or comments towards the end today.
Again, the numbers for FEMA registration have climbed a little
bit. Our last report to you, 69,000 people had applied for assistance in
Collier County. That number now is 71,505. We continue to see a
moderate amount of traffic at the Golden Gate Community Center for
FEMA registration.
I am working with FEMA and the State. I want that disaster
recovery center to pay another visit both in Immokalee and Everglades
City not only to give folks the last-minute opportunity for FEMA
registration but to ask questions of the FEMA staff as they go through
the FEMA assistance process.
We want to make sure that you understand that FEMA, I think,
has done a pretty good job in getting out some individual and family
assistance; $8,530,000 have been made available for housing or other
emergent needs in Collier County, and that's up from $7.1 million in
FEMA assistance.
Thirty-five families are in hotels out of -- outside of Collier
County, and that's down from 62. That's a good trend. We hope folks
are getting resituated back into the county. Ninety-five families were
in hotels in Collier County, and that's down from 162. But at least
those folks had an opportunity to catch their breath and are getting the
additional housing options available to them.
Housing inspections, if you'll remember, that was running way
behind the curve with FEMA. It is necessary for a FEMA inspector to
come out for some of this assistance program as well as -- assistance
programs as well as temporary housing.
24,211 inspections have been completed. That's 94 percent of the
25,000 FEMA inspections that were necessary. So they did, in fact,
increase the staff at our request and have done a much better job.
This next bullet needs to be corrected on your PowerPoint
handout this morning: 85 families are eligible for family supplied
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housing; 22 have moved in. That's up from 17.
As you know, I'm still not happy with the progress there, but I did
speak with a housing coordinator at length yesterday, and this -- if
you'll remember when I reported to you last, FEMA was -- had
significant increases in their ability to pay rent to the fair market rental
rate. And there was a hang-up, so to speak, on some of their lease
agreements and utilities. That was corrected, and they expect to go full
bore very quickly on this apartment rental program. So I'm counting
on much, much bigger numbers next go-round as well as the trailer
programs are still continuing.
Twenty-one million has been provided for additional housing
assistance and, again, that can be in the form of relocation, rental, and
other lease options.
It's important to make sure that we remind folks that FEMA has
to have a method for validation. That's their inspection process. And
the home damages that people experience must be disaster related.
We're seeing where folks are making FEMA applications, but deferred
maintenance is not something that they can address. It has to be
specifically storm related, and sometimes that causes a little bit of
confusion, but we think they're working through those challenges.
The last is a great opportunity and speaks well of our private
non-profit efforts in the community. Salvation Army, Catholic
Ministries, Red Cross, Immokalee Interagency participants, United
Way, and the Community Foundation of Collier County are really
expanding their client assistant services.
Salvation Army, as you know, has opened up a disaster assistance
center across the street. They are working in partnership with FEMA
and other agencies to provide some direct client services, and that
system is getting better and stronger every day, and we can't say
enough about the generosity of the community and the generosity of
the United Way and Community Foundation to help make some of
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these resources available. So there's a lot going on in the scenes that
our local nonprofits know these clients and can provide some excellent
services.
I want to stress the FEMA aid process and what's necessary.
And, again, it's important that when you make the telephone call or
you log into this disasterassistance.gov or go to the disaster recovery
center that you have this information available to you.
We're running down to the time window for FEMA registration.
We've had one extension. I doubt seriously we're going to get another.
November the 29th is the last day for FEMA registration. That will
include both online as well as by telephone and in person. And FEMA
is not -- their folks are going to now take a little bit of a break, and they
will no longer be open on Sundays through the rest of their tour, but
they will be open six days a week for these disaster recovery centers.
Just a friendly reminder what to expect. Again, we continue to
hear where folks are getting calls from FEMA but are not returning
those calls. It's real important to stay with that process, work through
the SBA applications that are provided to you, and make sure that you
close the loop with FEMA in order to get that process started. And,
again, these disaster assistance centers can help with questions and
concerns that folks may have along the way.
Let me jump into debris removal real quick. And I know that
there's a new report this morning, so my slide was done on November
the 12th. 2.6 million cubic yards of horticultural waste. Running
somewhere around 190 to 197 trucks every day. Just a phenomenal
effort, in my opinion; 55- to 65,000 cubic yards of debris are being
picked up every day. And now it's starting to -- it will get a little bit
harder as some of these more difficult loads are going to be out there,
as well as the stumps and the leaners and some of those other things.
But, again, a great spirit of attack as far as I'm concerned.
So, again, some of the activities; you'll notice I've got that
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chainsaw in the picture there. What's going on now are some of the
challenging debris removal activities. And Dan Rodriguez's team and
AshBritt will continue to step up to hit some of these next -- this next
line of challenges with the cleanup.
The debris sites, I won't -- those are standard. Nothing has
changed, I believe, with the exception of the Immokalee transfer
station. I don't believe we clarified that that was closed on Sunday, nor
the Carnestown recycling center also closed on Sunday. And everyone
seems to have a pretty good understanding now of our debris sorting
and our mission and our piles, how that's worked together.
Two other things are in the loop here, of course, to -- as you
know, there's quite a challenge with FEMA in working with gated
communities. I think we have excelled with that with the modification
to the emergency management ordinance which addressed that, as well
as the right of entry process and, certainly, good damage assessment
and good estimate information that went into FEMA. And that's quite
a challenge, and that approval has been provided, as well as that
necessary effort to get right-of-entry forms signed that our debris
monitoring contractor is helping the team with.
So that's a real quick overview. I wanted to see if you had any
other questions or concerns that I could help you with this morning.
Commissioner?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I just heard some sad stories
coming out -- we have a lot of mobile home parks in the East Naples
area, and a lot of them are the lower income seniors. And their only
investment -- they live there year-round. Their only investment was
their trailer, except there's nothing left of it, and they're hauling them
away right now off these pieces of land. But because they don't own
the land underneath, they have nothing to even try and get a loan with.
I know that we have dollars that come into our Housing
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Department as well as we had $3 million to help people. Will that be
available to people like this who really don't have anything and they
would need at least down payment assistance in order to put a new
trailer on that piece of property?
MR. SUMMERS: Ma'am, it's my understanding that the best
route for that is that SBA loan, and that SBA loan is very, very
minimal in terms of interest rates, seems to be relatively easy to qualify
for. So that's the direction that I have. We'll be glad to research and
see what other options might be available.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. We give $30,000 to people as
a down payment assistance when they have that much in a bank
account so -- on, you know, affordable housing. So I would think that
we should have money available to these people.
MR. SUMMERS: Well, other programs, other things such as
other HUD or CDBG, sorry, I'm not familiar with what those options
are. But, again, let me encourage these individuals, don't give up on
that FEMA process. It is a little frustrating. There is a little bit of
paperwork involved there. But that may, in fact, even for a renter, still
be another option with them to consider for the purchase of that trailer.
MR. OCHS: Commissioner, if you have any contact information,
if you'd please get it to me. I'll make sure that we reach out to them and
--
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I would love to.
MR. OCHS: -- make sure that we coordinate every opportunity
for assistance.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Great. I think that we would -- you
know, you would be, like, riding in on your white horse.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. We're very happy to do that.
MR. SUMMERS: Absolutely.
MR. OCHS: Just -- any other commissioners that have a name or
contact information, if you can send it to me, and we'll coordinate it.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
MR. SUMMERS: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair -- oh, I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: My light's still on.
MR. OCHS: I didn't see your light.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I wanted to say that both Leo
and Nick have been very good with me with specific requests. The
information -- when someone has a specific request, our staff's done an
amazing job. So if anybody does have a specific need, direct it to your
commissioner, and we'll make sure it gets through the proper channels.
And I do know that there is some large federal money coming,
been appropriated by the Congress for CDBG funding which can be
utilized as a portion of the housing mission. We had a meeting over in
Immokalee, I think two weeks ago, with regard to that, so there is --
the white horse is trotting.
I have a couple of questions -- a couple of questions with regard
to debris. And I don't know if you're ready to answer, or if you want to
bring Dan up.
MR. SUMMERS: Let's bring Dan up. We'll phone a friend here.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Are you scared?
MR. SUMMERS: No, I'm not scared.
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, while he's coming up, I know that we
did have three citizens that wanted to speak on this subject. Under
your rules, you don't take comment under presentations. The next item
is public comment. We could roll them right in here, and it will fit
with this conversation. But it's related, I think, to debris removal and
some other things.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Right after, good.
MR. OCHS: So when the Board's done, we'll just move to public
comment and get them up first, if that's all right with you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes. No, that's -- unless I have an
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objection. No.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think that's a good idea.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We're looking forward to it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: All right, Mr. Dan. I have
three things. First off, are the transfer sites still receiving debris from
private individuals at no fee?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: We are, Commissioner, from private
individuals.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And would you name those
transfer sites? Can you? I think there's two.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: There's two of them. There's actually the
one in Immokalee, the transfer site there at the Immokalee landfill
that's been closed. We also have a site at the CVS at Santa Barbara and
Davis, and we have a monitor there. So when you do come with the
debris, they check your load, they get your information, and then they
let you dispose of it for free.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And, very specifically, it's a
matter of asking questions that you already know the answer to. But I
just wanted to be very specific. Do not look like a commercial hauler
or someone that is doing commercial debris cleanup as a private
resident. So don't even look like one when you're coming there with
the debris from your own home. But the fees -- the transfer fees are, in
fact, waived.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: That's correct. Great recommendation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Number two, how many
rounds of pickup are we scheduled to, in fact, do? I've been getting a
lot of questions with regard to that. And I know there's still a lot of
residents that have yet to have their debris picked up from the original
storm event, and now those that have been picked up are seeing new
material coming out. How many rounds are slated for the debris
removal?
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MR. RODRIGUEZ: There's actually three slated for the debris
collection.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: As you stated, we're getting close to the end
of the first one, but we still have areas that we still have to do that first
collection pickup, and then we'll start our second, and then the third,
we'll probably be picking up hot spots where we might have missed
someone or someone -- we're still getting a lot of snowbirds coming
down, and so we want to be patient.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Those are our northern
residents.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: The northern residents. Being a former
Michigander, I can relate. But absolutely. We'll have -- we'll make
sure we give them the opportunity to put their debris out. In fact, I got
a couple texts from a couple people asking, hey, don't forget about us.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Three.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I've just been hearing it's
very sporadic with the pickup. They're coming down half a street and
then not coming back to get the other half. And, again, as I said,
there's still a fairly large portion -- and I know we're working our way
from the urbanized area out, but there's still a fairly large portion that
have yet to even have the first round. And I'm already getting
questions how many rounds we're actually, in fact, going to do. So
thank you on that.
Last, but not least, and probably the most contentious point is
these transfer sites where we are taking debris. Are we grinding at
every single one of those transfer sites?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: We are, Commissioner. So your main five
sites, we have grinders there, and the goal is to reduce that material.
It's a reduction from four to one, and to get it out as quickly as possible
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so that we can get back to recovery of that site.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. I've had several people
over in Waterways that -- our winds have been coming out of the
northeast in the recent past. Wonderful weather, but not so good for
dust and debris that's generated by the grinding operations are flowing
over into those residential neighborhoods. And, as a request -- and I
understand it's an arduous task, but it's a seven-day-a-week operation,
daylight till dark, basically, and if there's any way to manage that so
that it's a little let arduous on the residents that are close as much as
can be done. It's a difficult -- when you're the one that's sitting across
the bushes and your pool's being -- and cars and vehicles, and there are
issues that travel along with that from potential debris and such, it's --
relatively speaking, it's going to be over soon, but everyone is
participating equally where these transfer sites have been located.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Absolutely, Commissioner, and we'll put
more resources to it and certainly work with the neighbors and make
sure we keep the noise down as much as we can and also the dust. We
do have water trucks on all the sites. We have people that monitor the
safety operations. So we're all ears. If there's anything we can do
better, we'll certainly do our best. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Particularly the one out at the
fairgrounds has had quite a bit heading into the Waterways
subdivision. So if we could ramp that up a little bit, that would be a
big help.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Sure will.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, Mr. Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Dan, just, again, for purposes of
educating the public, can you go through what's required for the gated
communities to have pickup of the debris. That seems to be the
biggest issue, at least in my district and, if you can, talk a little bit
about condominiums that may have gates. I think there's a lot of
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confusion out there. It might be gated, but if it's a condominium
community, then there might be some difference there on how it's
being dealt with, right?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Absolutely. As you know, there's over 440
gated communities in Collier County. A little more than half of those
still have debris in them where they haven't collected. They wanted to
wait for FEMA to get the approval.
So about two months ago, thanks to the Chairwoman, we sent a
letter to FEMA asking them to get approval to go into gated
communities, because the guidelines under FEMA are very strict. And
Dan Summers can tell you all day long, you don't want to pick up one
stick unless you want to pay for that. This debris mission's going to
cost between 77- and $100 million. So everything we can do as the
guidance from the County Manager and the Board to get those dollars
back, we need to follow their paperwork. Part of that paperwork is to
get a release from the gated community homeowners association that
holds the county and FEMA harmless. It's a requirement and -- in
order to get reimbursement.
So once we get that release from the gated community, we go in
and assess the amount of debris, and then we allocate the resources.
And that's been working fairly well. A lot of gated communities
wanted to be first out of the gate. We're working through that. We're
probably in about close to 80 of those gated communities now, and
we'll move into the rest as the weeks continue. Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And is there any difference if it's a
homeowners association as opposed to a condominium?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: No. It's considered a gated community or if
it's private property -- I'm sorry. Gated community or private road. We
can go into the private roads and we can go into gated communities.
So if it's a homeowners association or it's gated, we just need the
release. So there's no difference.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And just for point of clarification, I had
nothing to do with this. It was the guidance and the leadership of
County Manager Ochs and his team that, from the beginning -- as soon
as that storm was coming in, the concern was, how are we going to do
this? How are we going to make sure that FEMA reimburses us? How
are we going to manage this incredible storm that's coming in? You
just told me what to sign, and I signed it. So your leadership is
extraordinary. Thank you both, all of you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Hear, hear.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I would just like to make -- and
this is just a general suggestion, and maybe this is already being done.
But the presentation that Dan just gave and the answers to your
questions would be a great thing to have to YouTube or something for
the public to be able to find very -- I know it's on our website, but if
there's another way to get that out there in a format that people can see,
I think that might be helpful.
MR. OCHS: We'll do it. We'll do it.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Dan, if you could, we're getting a lot
of calls about drainage easements. And just touch on that real quick, if
you could, too.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Absolutely. We're probably moving the
fourth phase of this program, and that's to start cleaning out some of
the drainage areas, the canals, things like that. So working with our
contractor, as well as with our FEMA representatives, we're identifying
those canals that the county's responsible for, that the state's
responsible for, as well as South Florida Water Management District,
as well as the Coast Guard and laying out a game plan and resources to
get to those. So you should see that begin, as Nick outlined, probably
within the next two weeks.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Does that mean, like, the storm
drains, too, that are next to the curb?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: That's correct, the swales that have filled
with sand and silt and things like that. So we're working directly with
Travis Gossard and the transportation group, identify all those, because
that all costs money and, again, FEMA does have reimbursement
programs for that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And, Madam Chair, just one
quick comment, if I may.
Mr. Dan, would you please repeat the discussion in the gated
communities and the differentiation between association-owned
properties and private residents. Because, if I recall, there was
differentiation in those with who was responsible for that debris
removal.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Sure. If you're in a gated community, under
the normal guidelines from FEMA, you have to get their permission to
go in there to remove debris. So we have to first get FEMA's approval
to go in and collect, and then, of course, we've got to comply with their
form to do that.
If you're a private resident, own private property, you have a
public road, under their current guidelines, we can collect that as a
normal business.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And how about the association
common areas?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Because it is in the gated community, you
have to be careful. If there's country clubs, common areas, golf
courses where you have damage from trees, those properties are
insured, and FEMA requires that you go through the insurance
company. But if it's a single-family residence in a gated community,
those are eligible for collection. Great point, Commissioner. Thank
you.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Dan Summers, please. I got a call,
perhaps it was last week or the week before, where Department of
Children and Families was distributing SNAP, extraordinarily, forgot
about -- food stamps -- not in Everglades City, not in Immokalee. In
Fort Myers in Lee County. And I'm understanding they're not going to
come back. And there was one resident apparently from Everglades
City who spent seven hours only to be turned away. It was two hours
up there. He waited in line. It started to rain. They folded the tents
and they went home.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And left him standing in line.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Left him standing in line. And I'm
understanding -- I did appeal to Senator Passidomo's office, and she
went and talked to them, but is there any possibility of them coming
back to Collier County where the eye of the storm was?
MR. SUMMERS: I also was aware of that and also made my
complaints and frustration, notified state EOC about that and asked
that to be revisited. I have not yet gotten a reply as well for an
additional offering. But it's my understanding, if it's not in place today,
it's being looked at that the Salvation Army center that is opening up
across the street will have an application location. So let me confirm
that. But it was my understanding that they were going to try to make
a service center available for that.
Now, obviously, the other applications and the other assistance
programs are still in place. It's just that we don't have that regional
delivery. We asked for that in Immokalee, we asked for that in
Everglades City as well. Maybe we can go back and revisit another
option again. But I was keenly aware and not happy with that service
delivery. I think Representative Passidomo's help would be
appreciated, and I'll double-check with Salvation Army and see if that
service is going to be made available.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you. Thank you very much.
MR. SUMMERS: Thank you.
Item #7
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR FUTURE AGENDA
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, if we may move on, then, to Item 7,
public comments on general topics not on the current or future agenda.
MR. MILLER: Madam Chair, I have four registered speakers on
this item. Your first speaker is Shirley Cothran. She'll be followed by
Mary Ann Dobson.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right there.
MS. COTHRAN: Where do I need to be --
MR. MILLER: I'll play it.
MS. COTHRAN: Okay. Hello. We are all grateful that we have
survived the worst storm that ever formed in the Atlantic. The
electricity's back on, the streets are passible, and most houses are at
least temporarily patched up. We feel for the people who were still
struggling to get back into their homes.
But overall, Collier County has returned to a new normal.
In spite of all the preplanning and spontaneous problem solving,
there's a small group of people for whom the new normal has turned
into a new disaster. A sawmill is squatting on the park line that is
adjacent to our neighborhood right next to our backyards, and our
neighborhood is Waterways of Naples. We understand that there's a
huge amount of debris, and it must be deposed of.
And the method they've chosen to dispose of has resulted in some
unintended consequences. They would not have intentionally created
the situation that exists. They would -- if it could have been foreseen,
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they would have taken measures to alleviate the problem.
And the problem is, one, the noise coming from the grinders or
the chippers is 24 hours, seven days a week -- not 24 hours, I'm sorry,
12 to 14 hours. There is dirt and dust, but that is only the canary in the
mound.
The real problem is the airborne contaminates that we can't see
that, if the dirt and dust is there, there probably is other things resulting
from everything that was in the debris that was chipped.
We are a community of all ages, from small children to people in
the late '80s and '90s. Unfortunately, some of our residents are not in
the best of health. One of our neighbors cannot be here today because
he had to go to Tampa to have his brand new lungs checked out, and
he is very concerned that he is breathing in mold and other things into
these new lungs that have been such a Godsend for him.
Everyone with COPD or asthma or other respiratory problems
have the same concerns. If you could bring up the one slide, the
picture.
MR. MILLER: All I had was the video.
MS. COTHRAN: Oh, okay. Our areas could fit -- the area
affected could fit in this complex. It would be as if, when you walk
back and forth to this building, there was a sawmill over on the other
side of the courthouse with all this going into the air.
What I would like you to hear is what it sounds like to these
residents, and I would like any help you can give.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We heard it. The volume that
went loud, but -- and I do have a thought --
MS. COTHRAN: Okay. I thought I heard something in the
background.
But anything you can do to help alleviate it. There's a couple
other speakers. I hope I'm not stealing their thunder. One suggested
maybe moving things a little bit to another location. Thank you.
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MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Mary Ann Dobson. She'll
be followed by Denise Raisor.
MS. DOBSON: Good morning, everyone.
I came in this morning to represent my husband and I and other
neighbors in Waterways of Naples. My husband has COPD and
respiratory problems as well as a spot on his lung that they monitor
constantly from year after year. So he is at risk with a lot of the debris
that's in the air that he's breathing in, and we don't know for sure if
there are mold spores in this debris that they are moving around and
chipping and mulching. So he's having to monitor that very closely
right now, especially with the debris in the air.
I have been down with a sinus infection and a lot of respiratory
problems myself in the past couple weeks, and it's been really rough.
But we try to stay in as much as possible because that obviously keeps
things at a minimal with us.
I speak for probably a lot of the neighbors that are especially in
the 600 block of Grand Rapids in Waterways. And right around the
corner from where I live, the street kind of turns and goes into a
cul-de-sac. Well, we're right around the corner from where all that is
going on.
And so I have -- I've stopped sitting outside on my lanai. It's not
enjoyable anymore because we go outside, and all we hear is that noise
constantly from daylight to dark, and we're just not getting any break
from it at all.
And I used to enjoy my lanai. And I know it's going to be over,
hopefully, in the next few months; however, I would like to just
express my concern for myself, my husband, and my family. We have
family coming in for the holidays, and I don't look forward to that
going on every day while my family is here.
So hopefully -- you know, the holiday will come and go, and
everyone will be happy. My biggest concern is a lot of the people
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within Naples, their debris is gone, so they're happy about that;
however, out of sight out of mind. Once it's gone, they're happy,
however, it's been brought to our back door. So, you know, we just
kind of would like to -- I don't know if there's anything anyone can do,
but at least consider.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
MS. COTHRAN: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Denise Raisor. She'll be
followed by Moise Alexis.
MS. RAISOR: Good morning. Thank you for listening.
In September this year my family and I made the decision to
leave our home for our safety and well-being due to Hurricane Irma.
We left for a little over a week and came home to a house that was still
standing and in need of extensive repair. After weeks of hard work, we
were able to put our home back together and return to some sort of
normalcy, except it wasn't normal.
I live in Waterways, by the way.
Days after the storm, Orangetree -- the orange trees behind my
home were ripped out, and hurricane debris came in. Mountains of
debris.
Now, once again, my family and I are preparing to run from our
home for our safety and well-being. You see the trucks deliver debris
all day. We can hear them coming and going as early as 4:30 in the
morning. The high pitch of unmuffled diesel engines and inevitable
beeping as they back up and make turns, the screech of backhoes that
move the debris around and lift it from the trucks is all day.
I know every sound because I lie in bed only a hundred meters
away from wondering how much sleep I'll get tonight.
Around 6:30 a.m. the grinding machines start their work. They
grind 12 to 14 hours a day, seven days a week. There is no relief from
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the loud, relentless noise that's been going on for two months and is
estimated to last at least another three and, physically, I can't last that
long.
In addition to the noise, the grinding machines are so close that
they send a continuous shower of dust debris. My home is covered in
it. My windows are caked. We've power washed and vacuumed to no
avail. We simply can't keep up with the amount of dust. We're not
able to use our outdoor space. There is no enjoyment of my home.
Can't open our windows or doors.
The good weather's coming. My daughter has complained of a
headache daily for two months. After several trips to her pediatrician,
he is concerned that it might be mold spores rotting in the vegetation
behind our home. I, for the last two weeks, have been waking with a
wheeze. For health, we are going to have to leave our home that we
love.
The Occupation Safety and Health Administration has guidelines
for the exposure to noise and dust. Dust and fibers are solid particles
that are formed degenerate from solid materials through mechanical
processes such as grinding. Biological hazards includes fungi, which
are molds, that are responsible and can cause acute chronic infections.
They have computations for noise exposure. If I was at a work site,
according to the guidelines of OSHA, I would be required to wear a
mask and earplugs all day, except this is not a work site. This is my
home.
Yes, you'd think the Collier County laws ordinance (sic) have put
in place to keep citizens safe from harm were to protect me and my
family. The Board of Commissioners has found and determined that
noise level emissions in excess of their requirements established by
their articles are potentially harmful and injurious to the public health,
safety, and welfare and reasonably interfere with the enjoyment of life
and property in the county. If you want to look it up, it's Section 5485.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm
sorry, your time is up.
MS. RAISOR: May I please finish?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, I know it's a
little bit unusual, but we've got what appears to be a very substantial
problem. I'd like to hear, if it's okay with the Board, the rest of what
she has to say even though it's beyond the seven minutes or --
MS. RAISOR: It's not much longer, I promise.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. All right.
MS. RAISOR: Thank you.
Section 04-41 states that on-site use of equipment and materials
shall not create or produce excessive noise or dust. These are county
ordinances. There are laws that -- these are laws that I am not entitled
to simply because the county is still working under a declaration
emergency, except that the declaration clearly states -- and it was
enacted to protect public health, safety, and welfare. Where is my
protection? Where is my family's protection?
The county's asking for my patience and understanding. They
have told me to understand -- that they understand the difficulties the
site has created. I ask myself, do they? Do they really have any idea
what's going on out here?
The Florida Department of Environmental Protection guidelines
clearly state that there must be some method to control the off-site
migration of woodchips, dust, and other debris from the disaster debris
management site, or the DDMS. There is none.
The site must be located within -- must not be located within 50
feet of a natural or artificial waterway. It runs alongside one for
several hundred yards, just feet away.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: How much longer, ma'am?
MS. RAISOR: (No verbal response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
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MS. RAISOR: I have asked for and been rejected for noise
evaluation, a pollution evaluation, and violation of county ordinances.
I understand the need to clean up the debris, but it should be done
safely for all county residents. I believe the noise and dust are
excessive, well beyond what the county expected or anticipated, and
they deprive me and my family of basic human rights to safety in my
own home, our health, and our welfare. The county has asked for my
patience. I ask for reprieve from the county.
Thank you. Sorry for the length.
MR. MILLER: Your final speaker under public comment is
Moise Alexis.
MR. ALEXIS: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Good morning.
MR. ALEXIS: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Good morning, good morning.
MR. ALEXIS: All right. My name is Moise Alexis. I'm here on
behalf of me and my community. We could start by, if you look
around in the room here, where is us? We probably doing landscapes.
We probably working in the old homes. We probably doing the job
most won't do to help the community move on. But are we important?
I'm here because of police misconduct in Naples, Florida. I
believe we have a lot of racist or prejudiced officers working in our
city, and we tolerate them to brutalize us and -- sorry I stumble when I
talk -- and violate our constitutional rights. Because I've read a police
officer's job is to protect and serve the community, not going into our
homes without permission. Instead of finding what the problem is,
they start to scream and yell to make it seem like we're the problem.
They all in my bedrooms without permissions.
And when I go to make a complaint in the police station about a
cop, they don't want to take a police report or complaint. So we have
to end up going to internal affair.
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So I have a problem with this guy named Melendez. Teddy
Melendez, he work for the county jailhouse. He's a sheriff now. He's
been a problem before me and after me. And it's hard for guys like me
to get a lawyer to work on our behalf.
And the city's tolerating this guy. And also we have young good
officers that's coming in that know the law, that study the law, and
know that their job is to protect and serve, and they have to go under a
guy like Melendez which could cause fear and them to follow -- I don't
even call him officer -- a guy like Melendez. I don't think he should be
a cop in the city or anywhere.
So that's why I come here. I was told that you guys are in charge
of that. So if we may, maybe take some time in private where we
could talk about this. This started from a DCF case that I have. A
woman came to my house with no ID, and when the police came, she
was already gone. She opened a case on my wife. They switched it on
me, I guess, because I had a case.
When the case was dropped, the racist judge, Judge Krier, said,
no, no, no, I'm taking the kids, and hit a hammer to take my kids to
Youth Havens, illegally. I call it kidnapping, you know. And if you
go to family court and see who is targeted up there, it's mostly Haitian
immigrants, Hispanics, or interracial couples.
So as the city, we should look into that so we could make a
difference and start balancing things because we are as important as
they are.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you. Thank you very much.
MR. ALEXIS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Mr. Moise, where do you live?
MR. ALEXIS: I live in Naples, Florida.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I understand. That's a big
town. Where do you live?
MR. ALEXIS: I live on Pine Cone Lane off of Radio and Davis.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Thank you, sir.
MR. ALEXIS: And, you know, I'm letting you know that a lot of
people don't like to come here because they don't want to be targeted
for telling the truth.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I understand, sir. Thank you.
MR. ALEXIS: All right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. MILLER: Madam Chair, that's all your public speakers for
today.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: My light wasn't on for him,
Madam Chair, by the way. It was for the others. I see you shut it off,
though. So I do want to speak, if I may. I don't want to jump in front
of anybody. But was I first?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: You're first.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Mr. Rodriguez or Mr.
Yilmaz, either one, please. You know, we talked about this. And I
want the folks to know in Waterway that we are very well aware of an
issue.
And the video that played there, I have quite a bit of experience
with heavy equipment operation. And working in close proximity to
residential areas, I'm very familiar with MSHA and OSHA regulations
and those backup alarms that travel with heavy equipment operation.
The specifics with regard to that is that backup alarm needs to be
audible over the drone of the motor so that anyone in the path of the
machine that is backing up can, in fact, hear it. It does not need to be
audible three miles away.
And I have been very successful in muffling those simply with
duct tape to be able to conform, and I actually brought the OSHA and
MSHA people to the facility and muffled those backup alarms to assist
with the noise mitigation. And then, of course, as you heard, the other
portion is as far as reducing or eliminating the dust is imperative.
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DR. YILMAZ: Thank you, Commissioner. For the record,
George Yilmaz, Public Utilities.
We're all ears, and I did hear what our customers' saying, and my
team does the same. I want to have a general answer that will cover
most, if not, above and beyond concerns that we did hear today and
we've been hearing.
We'll do everything we can working with our contractor to
address those concerns, minimize; where we can eliminate, we'll
eliminate; working with our Risk Management Department, our OSHA
compliance department, our contractors compliance department; and
we'll do everything we can to make sure that we're addressing those
concerns and, if needed, through our County Manager's Office, we'll
give you a back brief and report actions that we are able to take under
the rules of engagement all the way from OSHA, our ordinances,
contractual agreements, and our operations being simply temporary
and emergency response.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And with respect to that, I'd
like to let the folks know that live in Waterways I will communicate
directly with our homeowners association to pass on the information as
it, in fact, comes to me. I don't know where that other lady went that --
oh, I see you. But I just -- I'll be -- I'll report directly to you, to the
homeowners association as opposed to trying to go reach out to,
individually, the residents of the neighborhood as our staff comes back
to me with their information.
MS. COTHRAN: I'll pass it on.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you. I want to echo
what Commissioner McDaniel has said concerning these neighborhood
issues.
One of the speakers indicated that perhaps the chipping operation
could be moved somewhere where the debris would not affect a
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particular neighborhood. I just want to indicate my strong desire that
we not do harm.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: As a matter of fact, we had
Boy Scouts here this morning, and one of their things is, when they go
camping, they can do no harm, and --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Leave no trail.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- leave no trace.
I know if it was my house, I'd be very, very concerned. This is
not blaming anybody. This is -- you know, we've got a serious
problem that we're dealing with in terms of dealing with the debris. It's
got to be chipped. It's got to be processed. Let's see if we can find a
way at these different locations to avoid the impacts on the
neighborhood but, in addition, if we're causing some damage -- you
know, there was an indication that one of the -- one of the young ladies
indicated they've been pressure washing their home trying to clean this
up. Well, this is a mess we're making, and so we should assist them in
that. And so if we need a budget for that, I think the Board would be
more than willing to make sure that we're minimizing the impacts on
the neighborhood.
So I just want to reiterate this is something that's very important.
A report in two weeks, that's not really that helpful. You can give us a
report via email over the next couple days, and let us know what kind
of an action plan we might have.
Again, not criticizing anybody, but we've been advised that we
have a very serious problem, and I want to see some diligence in terms
of solving it.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Absolutely, Commissioner. Dan Rodriguez,
your Deputy Department Head. Being a former Boy Scout, I hear you
loud and clear. I will make it a point -- we've worked with Mrs.
Cothran for years, and we have a very good relationship, good
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neighbor policy on some of our projects. So I'll make it a point to meet
with the homeowners association. We'll see about relocating, moving
some of those grinders away from the edge of the property. We'll add
more water suppression systems so that we can keep that dust down,
and we'll see if we can shorten the hours of operation by maybe
bringing on another grinder and doing less in the morning, less in the
evening, and giving them a sunrise and a sunset that they can enjoy.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Anything you can do would be
appreciated.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: You've got it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: If I might ask a question of my
colleagues. When we started this process, I asked how many transfer
sites we, in fact, had and asked if there was mulching and that like of
operation going on. Are any of you hearing from your constituents
with regard to noise, dust, and the like? Because there's seven of -- I
think Dan said there was seven different sites that this activity's going
on.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: This is the first I've heard of
any issues.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I haven't heard, but I can tell you what I
have heard. I've heard from folks in Commissioner Saunders' district
and in your district who are extremely concerned about the debris lying
around, not for cosmetic purposes, not because it's a mess, because of
fire.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So it is incumbent upon the county to
get this debris in these sites and to grind it as quickly as possible. And
so please know that, as hard as this is, and you think this is never going
to end, there is an end to this for two reasons. First of all, because
they're very efficient about what they do, but also because we're
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coming into a dry season, so -- and I think you're very aware of the
impact of --
MR. RODRIGUEZ: What happened last year.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- what debris lying around could
possibly do, so...
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I too have gotten letters about that.
We have a grinding process over on Manatee Road and the piles as
well, and I have heard about just the fear -- not "just," but about the
fear of fire.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Fire.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. The rest of them are just
battening up the hatches, closing the windows, and staying inside.
They realize it's something that they have to live with. They don't
really like it but, you know, you've got to get rid of that debris.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We just need a really good rain. It
would help a lot.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. I've received emails and calls
about the grinding up at Wiggins Pass. I mean, it's --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So have other people.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I don't know that it's -- it hasn't -- the
emails I've received haven't sounded as bad as the situation we heard
about today, and maybe there's more -- I think there probably is more
distance than the situation we're talking about today. But I agree with
the other commissioners, you know, we have a huge challenge, but we
have to do it in as least an impactful way as we possibly can, so
whatever we can do.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. We'll have your report by the end of the
week.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And if that's all the discussion, we'll
take a 10-minute break for our hard-working court reporter.
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(A brief recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you, County Manager.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am. You have a time-certain at 11:40, but I
understand -- I'm sorry, 10:40. But you had another item you wanted
to try to --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah, I'd like to -- with due apologies
to the time-certain, I'd like to hear the public hearing with the Cleary,
public hearing, please, the advertised public hearing.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What'd you say?
Item #9A
ORDINANCE 2017-44: A REZONE FROM A RURAL
AGRICULTURAL (A) ZONING DISTRICT TO A RESIDENTIAL
PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (RPUD) ZONING DISTRICT
FOR THE PROJECT TO BE KNOWN AS THE CLEARY RPUD,
TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A MAXIMUM OF 63
RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS OR 200 GROUP HOUSING
UNITS FOR SENIORS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE
SOUTH SIDE OF IMMOKALEE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY
ONE QUARTER MILE EAST OF LOGAN BOULEVARD IN
SECTION 28, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
CONSISTING OF 8.99± ACRES. [PUDZ-PL20160001985] –
ADOPTED
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We're going to do 9A. Forgive me.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am. That item requires ex parte disclosure
be provided by the commissioners, and all participants will be required
to be sworn in. This is a recommendation to approve a rezone from a
rural agricultural zoning district to a residential Planned Unit
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Development zoning district for a project known as Cleary RPUD to
allow construction of a maximum of 63 residential dwelling units or
200 group housing units for seniors on property located on the south
side of Immokalee Road approximately one quarter mile east of Logan
Boulevard.
And ex parte disclosure, Madam Chair, for the Commission.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Well, I think I'll start. I've had meetings
with -- on three different occasions with residents, with the HOA
president, and with the attorney and Mr. Cleary. I've had
conversations by telephone. I've also had a conversation in this room
just now.
Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I've had several
communications via email. I have met with the petitioner and
petitioner's legal counsel and several members of the community.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I have had meetings with Mr.
Guftison (phonetic), Ms. Pat Howard, Bob Owens, Pat Neale, Michael
Manganaro -- I'm sorry if I mispronounced that -- Mr. Yovanovich,
Mr. Cleary. I've received numerous letters and emails and a phone call
from a Jerry Kelly.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, thank you. I, too, have a
declaration. I've received emails and letters and phone calls from
residents of neighboring communities; I met with Mr. Yovanovich,
Francesca Passidomo, and Mr. Cleary; I also met with Patrick Neale
and Michael Manganaro of Saturnia Lakes to discuss -- and I also
discussed with staff and read the staff report.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am. And I do have ex
parte to disclose. You can see the file for everyone that I talked to. I
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did have meetings, correspondence, and emails in regard to the subject
matter.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So all those who want to participate in
this -- and we'll have testimony -- please rise and raise your right hand.
Oh, I don't have to rise. They do.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You're already sworn in.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you very much.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Good morning. For the record, Rich
Yovanovich on behalf of the petitioner.
With me today are Tom Cleary, Ray Cleary, who are the owners
of the property; Wayne Arnold, who's our planner; and Jim Banks,
who's our transportation consultant.
I have the long-version presentation or the short-version
presentation. I'm going to go with the shorter-version presentation,
because I believe we've spent a lot of time discussing with both the
HOA and some residents separate from the HOA regarding concerns
they've had with the project. And you have received a letter, I believe
-- hopefully you've received the letter from Patrick Neale, who
represents the homeowners association, that discussed some revisions
to the PUD document that the HOA wanted to see, and it had to do
with overall building height being limited to 37 feet zoned, 45 feet
actual, which is tippy top; methods of construction were we'll be all
block construction. I'm just giving you a quick summary of what
we've agreed to; floor area ratio of a .5 instead of a .6 that was
approved by the Planning Commission; and some enhanced buffering
along the east side of the property. And the property is up on the
visualizer, which is on Immokalee Road near -- we're near Logan
Boulevard.
So the east side of the property is the property adjacent to
Saturnia Lakes, and we agreed to include a 30-foot buffer along the
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east property that would be a vegetated buffer, and there would be no
uses within that 30 feet.
The only disagreement between the homeowners association and
my client is related to the overall project density for the residential
option, which is for -- what we would like to do is seven units per acre,
because we do not see this property as a four-unit-per-acre piece of
property in its current location on Immokalee Road.
In order for there to be a residential option on this, we believe it
needs to be a multifamily option, and we would be utilizing the
provisions in your Comprehensive Plan for infill properties less than
20 acres, which would allow us to go from four units per acre to seven
units per acre with the first additional unit of the three being through
the acquisition of a TDR under your sendings program.
If you all will remember way back when, when you adopted the
rural fringe mixed-use district provisions, you were looking for
receiving land opportunities and included in the urban area the ability
to increase density through the acquisition of the TDRs, and we would
be taking advantage of that program to go to seven units per acre.
Otherwise, what the HOA preferred was that we cap it at five
units per acre, which basically would make us purchase the only
additional unit we would get, and it makes no economic sense to buy
that unit. So effectively you would be capping the residential option at
four units per acre, and I don't think that this piece of property would
be developed either as a multifamily project at four units per acre or a
single-family project consistent with the level of homes that already
exist in that neighborhood, including Saturnia Lakes and across the
street, which is Olde Cypress.
So the only area of disagreement that we have is on the residential
option. I think we're all set on the senior housing option as set forth in
that letter, but we do have a disagreement on the overall project density
for the residential component.
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I believe I have accurately set forth the agreement with the HOA
as well as with the residents in the community, that we're just here to
talk about the density on the residential option, not the overall senior
housing option.
With that, that's the quick version. I think that's the only issue
that needs to be discussed. The Planning Commission and your staff
both recommended approval of the density of seven units per acre on
the property, so that would be consistent with both the Comprehensive
Plan and with your staff's recommendation.
We have come down in height as well as floor area ratio from
what your staff had recommended at a .6, as well as the Planning
Commission.
So hopefully the Board of County Commissioners will give us
two viable options on this piece of property: The senior housing
option, which doesn't seem to be an issue with the neighbors at this
point; and an option of a residential project at seven units per acre and
not the four units per acre that would be the net effect of going along
with the residents homeowners association recommendation.
We're here to answer any questions you may have regarding this
and, of course, we'll respond to any public comments if there are any
that we didn't anticipate.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Mr. Miller, are there any public
speakers on this?
MR. MILLER: I have two registered speakers on this item,
ma'am.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. MILLER: The first speaker is Patrick Neale. He'll be
followed by Mike Manganaro.
MR. NEALE: Good morning, Commissioners. Thank you for
allowing me to speak. For the record, I am Patrick Neale, and I'm the
Attorney for the Saturnia Lakes Homeowners Association.
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Mr. Yovanovich has correctly characterized the agreement that
was reached. The board -- the only thing he misspoke is that the letter
was actually from Mr. Manganaro, who's the president of the
association. I just transmitted it for him. But the letter was authorized
by the board of the HOA on a five to nothing vote during a board
meeting on October 27th.
The other point that I'd just like to make is that the 37-foot-zoned
height, but it's a three-floor maximum, and that includes -- so if they
put a floor of parking underneath, they could put two floors of
residential on top but, no matter what, three-floor maximum
construction height.
The setback, the floor area ratio as stated. The construction
standards were in the Planning Commission recommendations, which
include a masonry construction, cement or slate tile roof, nine-foot
ceiling heights, concrete pavers at the entrance and exit, and a gated
entry.
The reason that my client is opposed to the seven units per acre is
that this really is a transitional site from residential single-family,
which is what Saturnia Lakes is developed as into -- and towards the
Logan Boulevard more developed area. And Saturnia Lakes is
developed at less than four units per acre. It's at about 3.7, is my
understanding.
This would be putting you at seven units per acre so, essentially, a
doubling of density going from one area to the other. So my client
feels that a five-unit-per-acre transitional density would be much more
appropriate than a seven-unit-per-acre transitional density.
But aside from that, Mr. Yovanovich did actually accurately put
forth the agreement as made between the HOA and the developer.
And I'll be happy to answer any questions as well.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: My questions are for -- we can
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hear the public speakers. My questions are for the petitioner and staff.
MR. NEALE: Okay.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Mike Manganaro, and he is
your final registered speaker on this item.
MR. MANGANARO: Good morning, Commissioners.
I want to thank you for letting me speak this morning, and I also
want to thank the residents that are all wearing the white to show
solidarity with Saturnia Lakes.
I'm Mike Manganaro. I'm President of the HOA, and I concur
with everything that, you know, Patrick Neale had just explained in
regards to negotiations. And, again, just stressing the point of the
seven units per acre. As you all, I'm sure, are aware of too, the other
18 acres on the corner of Logan and whatnot with a, you know,
shopping center going in, we're deeply concerned with, you know, the
traffic in the egress and whatnot. That's going to create more with
single-family homes than it would with any other type of facility with,
you know, less people that actually do go in and out on a regular and
daily basis.
So that was, you know, one of our main concerns is, you know,
for conformity and, you know, to kind of comply with what Saturnia
Lakes has, as explained by Patrick Neale, we're, you know, between
three and four. To grant them double that density we just don't think is
fair and accurate and really complies with what's in that surrounding
area.
Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, if I could ask
just a quick question.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes, of course.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: With a 30-foot buffer, what
will be the distance from the property lines in Saturnia; the row of
houses that are closest to this proposed development, the back property
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line of those lots, what is the distance to the property line of the project
plus the 30 feet? So what kind of distance are we talking about?
MR. MANGANARO: Well, based on what I have seen and
whatnot, the southern part, which backs up to our two cul-de-sacs, they
will have some type of a preserve. As far as the actual square feet, I
don't know really off the top of my head. Maybe counsel can help us
with that.
On the eastern side, which runs along our main entrance, the
closest homes actually will be to the east of that, which I'm going to
assume is in the 250 range. Please don't quote me on that but, again,
maybe more accurate dimensions can be discussed.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Yovanovich, do you know
those distances?
MR. YOVANOVICH: From the row of residences you were
talking about on the east side?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yes.
MR. YOVANOVICH: That's 368 feet.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. 368 feet. Is that to
the property line, or does that include the 30-foot buffer?
MR. YOVANOVICH: That includes the 30 feet, right, Wayne?
MR. ARNOLD: Yes.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes, it includes the 30 feet.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That's to the property line.
MR. YOVANOVICH: No, that's to our nearest building.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: To the nearest building.
MR. YOVANOVICH: On our property. So that would be the 30
feet on our property, past their -- there's also a buffer on our property
line that's on their property, then you've got the road, and then there's
another buffer on the other side of the road, so there's quite a distance
and a lot of vegetation between the two.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And let me ask another
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question, if I might, Madam Chair.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Of course.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll get my direction, perhaps,
incorrect. But immediately to the west of your property, there's going
to be a shopping center?
MR. YOVANOVICH: To the west, the first -- a similar-sized
parcel to ours to the west, I don't know what's going to go there, but
when you go a little bit further -- I guess I can point. This piece right
here is owned by -- the gentleman's name is Colin Walker. I don't
know the name of the entity that he owns it in. And then this is the
corner that will be shopping center that's going through to your
Planning Commission, I think it's this Thursday, and then at some
point coming to you for both a Comp Plan amendment and a PUD
rezone for a commercial shopping center.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you.
MR. MANGANARO: Which is our concern. There's going to be
even more development, not only just a shopping center, but along
with that other nine acres, which is the equivalent of nine acres with
what Cleary has, and a lot of vegetation, so to speak of, has been
destroyed and removed due to the hurricane, too. So vegetation isn't as
thick and as whatnot as appears. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. You have a question?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
And, Rich, if you could, please, I just would like a clarification,
because the original site plan that was, I think, approved by the
Planning Commission had a 15-foot setback requirement, and you've
increased that to 30, or is that an additional 30 feet, or is it an aggregate
30 feet?
MR. YOVANOVICH: The original recommendation from the
Planning Commission was a 30-foot setback --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
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MR. YOVANOVICH: -- which we agreed to, and the Planning
Commission had asked for the stair -- they had approved the stair
stepping, if you will, wedding cake, whatever you want to call it, for
the structure, that the first 50 feet from the west property line -- east
property line would be capped at, I believe it was, 35 feet zoned, and
then when we got 50 feet away, it could go to the 50 feet actual. We
brought that down to 37-foot zone throughout the property. So that's
the difference.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. So it is a 30-foot
buffered -- landscape buffer?
MR. YOVANOVICH: With supplemental plantings, which we
had agreed to.
I have given your staff the revised document consistent with Mr.
-- I'm sorry -- Mr. Manganaro, right? His letter. Sorry, I thought it
was Pat who wrote the letter -- and they've reviewed the PUD, and
they're comfortable. I could take you page by page if you'd like to see
it --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No.
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- but it's been provided as part of the
record to implement all of the conditions with the HOA.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I do have one other question,
Madam Chair.
MR. YOVANOVICH: If I could say one more thing. I just
wanted to point -- I put the master plan up. There's the vegetated
preserve nearest the two cul-de-sacs.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah.
MR. YOVANOVICH: So you can see that that distance is also
about 300 feet from the nearest building that would be on that
property. So we think that we've shown the compatibility between a
seven-unit-per-acre parcel and a four-unit-per-acre larger community.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Gotcha.
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And my next question's for Mr. Bosi. Though they've only
mentioned in the request a -- or a single-family development and/or an
assisted living facility and the densities associated, do we have
allowances within our code to convert from single-family to
multifamily?
MR. BOSI: Mike Bosi, Planning and Zoning Director.
I believe within their PUD they have single-family and
multifamily both appropriate residential dwelling types. They'll make
a choice of that at the platting or the SDP stage as to what -- the
product they wanted to move forward with. So that's -- the density is
the key question in terms of compliance with the GMP. With the infill
provision, it qualifies for the seven units per acre.
The PUD provides for multifamily or for single-family dwelling
types. They'll choose that at the time of -- as it comes closer to platting
or the SDP stage.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Maybe I didn't ask my question
clearly.
If they -- is there an increase in density if they convert from
single-family to multifamily?
MR. BOSI: No, they're capped at the density --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Period?
MR. BOSI: -- at seven units per acre.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So either -- and that was where
I was trying to go. Because sometimes when you have single-family,
there's a perception that multifamily is less intense, but you end up
with more density to offset with the intensity side. And I just wanted
to make it clear that we -- the density is what it is and what the
applicant's, in fact, requesting, so...
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Any other questions? No other
speakers, Mr. Miller?
(No response.)
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any proposal to make a motion?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, Madam Chair, it's in my
district, so I'll make a motion. It may not be the most popular motion
with some of the residents, but I think that -- the seven units per acre, I
think, is reasonable in light of the separation and really what could go
on that property, and I think there's an agreement concerning the
vegetation, the setbacks, and with that floor area ratio, that certainly
reduces the number of assisted living facilities.
So I'm going to make a motion to approve the request as outlined
by Mr. Yovanovich.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second, unless you want to.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, that's okay.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. There's a second. Any other
discussion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I just wanted to say, I thought
long and hard about this, and I think it's a good project. During the
AUIR I'm going to mention something about densities, but I think this
is late in the game for this particular one, so I will certainly go along
with that.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, before you call
for the vote -- and I didn't know if there are other comments. I did
want to just make a comment in terms of really what part of the
problem is in this area, and that is people in their communities getting
in and out of their communities during rush hour. This particular area,
Saturnia has -- those residents have a lot of problem getting in and out
of their projects. This is going to add additional traffic. The shopping
center will add additional traffic.
And I've asked Mr. Casalanguida and our Department of
Transportation to meet with the homeowners and to see what can be
done, potentially, to improve their access to and from Immokalee
Road. The same thing is true of other developments in that general
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area. I think once traffic gets onto Immokalee Road, it flows pretty
well. But people are having a lot of trouble getting in and out of their
communities.
So if you could continue to meet with the community and take a
look at that particular issue.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And, Madam --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I, too, am going to speak to
Immokalee Road in particular with the AUIR and what's happening
right now on Immokalee.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He's saying -- I think we're all
saying the same thing. It's about time we started taking a tough stand
on things like this before we overcrowd the roads. I think, you know,
we have to consider what it's like for people to --
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- drive on these things and how
much worse it can get if we don't -- you know, it's up to us. The buck
stops here. So I think during the AUIR that will be a nice, lively
conference.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And, Commissioner Saunders,
just -- and I'm sure you saw it on the site plan, and I know there is a
private property owner between this particular piece and the
commercial piece on the property, but there is a proposed service road
that goes all the way over to Logan that will allow for better traffic
flow. And I know that the folks in Saturnia have issues because they
really only have one way in, and they have another way out that's over
on Logan as well.
But it might be -- it might be something to have a discussion there
for all of us as we're moving forward with internal circulation and
connectivity to get people out in different directions. Because we're
being forced oftentimes into forced U-turns that are dangerous at best
is the best way to say it. And so anything we can do to enhance that, I
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think, would be of great assistance.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Motion on the floor and a second. All
those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
MR. NEALE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: You're welcome.
Item #11A
PROVIDING DIRECTION TO THE CONSERVATION COLLIER
LAND ACQUISITION ADVISORY COMMITTEE (CCLAAC)
REGARDING THE USE OF PROGRAM CRITERIA
ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSERVATION COLLIER
ACQUISITION SELECTION PROCESS IN THE CURRENT
NINTH ACQUISITION CYCLE, FUTURE POTENTIAL CYCLES,
AND REGARDING THE CONSERVATION COLLIER
ORDINANCE, ORD. 2002-63, AS AMENDED – MOTION TO
CONTINUE TO A FUTURE BCC MEETING – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, that takes us to Item 11A. This is a
recommendation to provide direction to the Conservation Collier Land
Acquisition Advisory Committee regarding the use of program criteria
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associated with the Conservation Collier acquisitions selection process
in the current ninth acquisition cycle.
Ms. Alex Sulecki will present.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Good morning.
MS. SULECKI: Good morning, Commissioners.
For the record, Alex Sulecki, Coordinator of your Conservation
Collier program. And I'm here this morning to give you a little bit of a
status update on Conservation Collier, to talk about our evaluation
process, and then to give you some advisory committee
recommendations.
So we'll start out with our program status, and you can see on the
map here our Conservation Collier properties, these are all located on
here, the ones that are open. We have 12 out of our 19 open to the
public, with eight of them just being completed from the storm last
week. So eight of those 12 are now open. So we have 19 preserves
scattered throughout the county; 4,090 acres approximately, and 25
miles of trail.
Talking about our Cycle 9 status, what we've got right now. It's
kind of a busy map here, but I'll go through it with you. And you can
see all of the different kinds of conservation located in Collier County
on here, state and federal, the SSAs, and some mitigation conservation.
And all our -- we have 10 proposals right now that we're
reviewing other than our multi-parcel projects. And these are in green.
You can see them here located throughout the county; right there. And
we have -- those comprise 90 parcels at a little over 5,000 acres. And
the estimated cost for all of those parcels under review right now is
about $32.7 million with the average cost per acre being $22,000.
Now, that's not the case that you can make a difference between
the rural properties and the urban properties where the urban -- the
rural properties are anywhere from 1,500 to about $5,000 an acre, and
the urban properties go from 30,000 to 91,000 an acre.
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And then we've got our multi-parcel projects, and these are on
your map in yellow for Winchester Head, which is right here. At this
scale you really can't see them, because red is Conservation Collier,
and we do own over half of those. And then the magenta here for our
Red Maple Swamp, which is located in this area.
And we have had some applications for these, which are -- since
they were A category projects in 2011, we're going to bring them --
they're small parcels -- bring them directly through our Conservation
Collier Committee and to you for approval, because we do have some
money from the donations from the off-site preservation. We have
about 120,000.
These parcels in the multi-parcel projects are estimated to cost us
about 158,000, and then we've got some additional monies coming in.
So we believe we'll have all of that money, but we'll go first come, first
served on those. So that's where we are with Cycle 9 right now.
We do have an evaluation process. This is a two-step review.
We start with an initial criteria screening, and this is a desktop
evaluation to see if the parcel is likely to meet at least two of our six
criteria. The committee receives a presentation, and at least five
members must vote to accept the property as a qualified proposal.
We're in the first and second steps now.
And the second step would be that more weighty initial criteria
screening report, and this looks at how the property meets those criteria
after being on the ground and looking at maybe some more data. So
almost every property meets at least two out of the six criteria. And so
-- well, we're working through that process.
We develop an active acquisition list, and once all of these
qualified proposals have been presented, the committee ranks them
into recommended A, B, and C. A being, yes, we would like to pursue
it; B, yes, we're interested, but not now; and C, no thank you. And we
forward them with preference -- criteria -- or an order for the A
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properties, one, two, and three. So once you approve that list, we
pursue those parcels in the order that is stated.
And to look at the criteria here -- I'm not going to go through and
read these all, but I'll tell you that they're very broad and unweighted,
and almost every property meets two out of the six. So we have a
process whereby five or more Conservation Collier members must
vote to advance a project. And this keeps us from spending time and
resources on isolated small parcels that are unlikely to meet our overall
program goals.
So I wanted to go through the proposed resolution that we have
for you today and tell you where those little, kind of -- we don't want
to change the criteria. What we want to do is just segregate out a
subset of them and give them a little more weight this time.
And so the ones that we'd like to give a little more weight are on
the left, and the criteria are on the right. That's why I wanted to show
you where those came from.
So lands that provide potential for natural resource based
recreation with appropriate access, that comes directly from Criteria 2.
Lands that serve to protect the most water resource values,
directly from Criteria 3.
Lands that enhance or protect the environmental value of current
conservation lands through function of a buffer, ecological link, or
habitat corridor, directly from Criteria 5.
Lands whose acquisition have potential for community partners in
acquisition and/or land management activities does not come directly
from the criteria, but it comes from Section 4, purpose and intent, and
our intent is to cooperate with other acquisition, conservation, and
resource agencies.
And then the final one, lands within the Urban Target Protection
Area comes from our Target Lands Map. And we have five different
types of lands on here. We have the urban lands. We have North
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Golden Gate Estates, the rural fringe, and the habitat stewardship and
flow-way stewardship areas in the rural lands. So that's where the
recommendations are coming from.
In regard to future criteria, the members felt that the ordinance is
pretty good, but there's always room for improvement for future
cycles. The only changes that are recommended prior to a future
referendum are the following: Some minor tweaks to priority habitat
types provided in the criteria section to make them consistent with
statewide classification formats.
For example, we have riverine (phonetic) oak in there. That is not
one of the habitats that's classified in the general schemes that are used
within the state. So we just want to make them more consistent with
those classification schemes.
We would like to consider changing the split of acquisition and
management funding -- currently it's 85 percent acquisition and 15
percent management -- to something else, and given to you today is 75
percent acquisition and 25 percent management, but that's something
that we can work on to get very clear on.
And then we would like to ask if you would like to weight certain
criteria in the way we've asked you today for each subsequent cycle,
depending on county needs, and your direction. So if you're looking
for more water-related projects, that's something we could focus on.
And so we have a recommendation today that you will accept our
resolution and approve that resolution and provide us direction also in
our future cycles.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. The last time we voted on this
so many years ago, one of the things we stressed was we wanted to
also purchase land that was in the urban area before it was sold, and
then we'd never have any preservation in the urban area. We didn't
follow through with that really well. We followed it in a couple
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places, but it's so much easier to buy land that nobody's looking at and
nobody wants and it's cheap, and we did a lot of that. But our people
don't see that. And, you know, I think there's a comfort in going down
the street and seeing some green space or, you know, just stop -- we
had that great piece of property at Airport and Estey where people
would just stop and, you know, and even put benches in there and so
forth; it would have been very nice. Of course, that was sold. We
don't have that opportunity anymore.
But I'd hate to see us missing some of those great opportunities. I
think we should make it a priority to buy what we can. I realize it's
more expensive in the urban area than it is, but the ones that are way
out east are probably not going to go up in value when they're all under
water anyway or when they're -- you know, they just can't be built on.
So that would be -- we could hold those in our back pocket while we
buy up something that I think the people could actually enjoy, see, sit
around, take it easy, or if nothing else, just to have some green space in
between things.
And so that would be my suggestion, that we make this a priority,
but that's just my suggestion.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: If it's okay with the Chair, I'd
like to hear from our public, and then I can make my comments.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That's fine. We can hear the
speakers first.
MR. MILLER: Madam Chair, we have three registered speakers
for this item. Your first speaker is William Poteet. He'll be followed
by Brad Cornell.
MR. POTEET: Good morning, Commissioners. For the record,
my name is William Poteet, and I'm here on behalf of Conservation
Collier Land Acquisition Committee as their Chairman. And I'm just
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here to answer any questions you may have.
I would like to comment on the purchase of the urban areas.
We've heard loud and clear from a number of commissioners in the
past that they want us to concentrate more on the urban areas. And,
quite frankly, we have. We have -- at least seven or eight of our 19
preserves are within the urban area: Rail Head Scrub, Freedom Park,
Gordon River Greenway, Otter Mound on Marco, the marsh properties
off of 951 going to Marco, Logan Woods.
You know, our biggest problem is having -- because we're a
willing-seller program, we have to wait for the willing sellers to come
to us. And, fortunately, we do have a number of people that are
submitting properties on a regular basis, but not all of them are in the
urban area.
So we just have to take what we get and try to do our best and
then bring our recommendations to you. On our recommendations we
made today, we basically did that because we felt that when we did our
rankings, a lot of our scores come in the 240, 250 range out of a score
of possible 400, and we felt if we tweaked it a little bit more, put some
more priority on those properties that are adjacent to existing preserves
or have qualities that would enhance the water resources, et cetera, and
some other areas, the size of the preserve also makes a major
difference because it's a lot of easier to manage a large preserve than it
is a small parcel. So we just wanted to redo our criteria there and give
us a little bit more flexibility.
But the program works well. We bring you our
recommendations. My understanding is we're going to bring them
back in March to you, or we're going to have our ranking meeting in
March, and then subsequently we'll get them to you immediately, and
then you can make a decision which properties we need to move
forward on this cycle. And we're excited about it. So if you have any
questions, I'd be glad to answer them.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I just want to thank you for your
dedicated service to this committee. You never miss meetings, you're
always there, and you're so enthusiastic and -- well, you're exemplary
to the --
MR. POTEET: Well, I'm just one of eight members. We're down
one member. We still have one application needed out there, if
somebody wants to apply to Conservation Collier. But the entire
committee is wonderful. I mean, they really take this seriously and try
to do the best.
There is one recommendation I would like to make that was not
in the report. A number of times we have looked to try to partner with
the State on the properties, but the problem with the State, when you
partner with them, they want to hold title 100 percent, and we lose our
ability to manage and control the property. And, you know, if the
State would ever change their guidelines so that we would then enter a
joint venture with them, which each hold a title to it, that would be a
good thing, and we can look at, you know, Forever Florida properties
and some of the Amendment I monies that are out there. Right now
we can't do anything with them because, you know, when we buy
some, we buy it for perpetuity, we buy it to make sure the citizens of
Collier County have the ability to use these properties.
And, you know, if you go to Gordon River Greenway any
weekend, you'll see, you know, hundreds of people walking on the
boardwalk, and that's the stuff we want to do. So thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Let me ask a question or make
a comment. On the issue of willing sellers, that doesn't mean you can't
go to a property owner -- unsolicited, go to a property owner and say
we're interested in taking a look at your property.
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So if you feel that you have to wait for a property owner to come
to you in order to comply with it being a willing seller -- now, I wasn't
here when the ordinance was adopted. But willing seller, to me, means
we're not going to condemn anybody's property, we're not going to
force a sale, but that doesn't keep you from identifying properties that
are of value and going to the property owner and saying, would you
have an interest in selling.
MR. POTEET: We've done that many times on the multifamily
-- or the multi-parcel projects. So we routinely send letters out to the
property owners saying that we'd be very interested in acquiring the
property should you be interested.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. I was just concerned
because I think you had said that you wait for property owners to come
to you.
MR. POTEET: Well, typically we do, because you can't write
every property owner in Collier County. But if we identify a property
that we want that's adjacent to an existing preserve example or as part
of the multi-properties projects, then we do send letters out as part of
our outreach committee.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Can I go ahead?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Of course.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Just -- the analysis of each property
is done once an application's made by the owner, though, right? I
mean, is staff --
MR. POTEET: We do an initial screening of the property, which
staff goes out and does a cursory review of the property and brings it
back to the committee, and we make a decision at that time if we want
to move forward and use staff resources in order to do a full analysis.
Because if you've seen some of the analysis on the properties that we
look at, I mean, they're volumes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: But, I mean, that initial analysis is
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triggered by an application.
MR. POTEET: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. POTEET: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That's what I think Commissioner
Saunders might have been --
MR. POTEET: And, you know, we do the outreach to the
properties and -- on occasion, depending upon what the committee
decides. But we cannot do an analysis of the property until we actually
have an application signed by the owner.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. POTEET: So we don't -- you know, we want to utilize staff
resources as effectively as we can. We're down one employee at this
point, so --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
MR. POTEET: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Brad Cornell. He'll be
followed by Nicole Johnson.
MR. CORNELL: Good morning, Commissioners. I'm Brad
Cornell, and I'm here on behalf of Audubon of the Western
Everglades.
I want to second what Commissioner Fiala just said about the
advisory committee and the program. It's been an exemplary program.
Your volunteer advisory committee has performed excellently over the
years and continues to under the leadership now of Bill, and your staff
is just top-notch staff. So this is a program to be really proud of.
Frankly, it's one of the best ideas Collier County ever had. And so it's
a story whose ending has not been written yet. And we're here, at least
our Audubon members are here to say, let's keep writing that story.
Regarding what's before you today on the criteria, Audubon of the
Western Everglades supports a second look or a third look at any
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ordinance, this ordinance or any other ordinance. We can always
improve what we have by way of rules and how we run our programs.
I would only ask that you consider applying those revisions to
future acquisition cycles. You've got an acquisition cycle right now,
No. 9, that has been pending for some eight months. So rather than
jump in midstream, you should perhaps consider applying these
revised criteria to future acquisition cycles.
And the only other thing I want to say is that regarding the timing
of things, we're kind of in this sort of transition period between a
maintenance and management program to now an acquisition -- an
active acquisition program, although we're all planning on going back
to the voters for a referendum. You all have been party to that
conversation. It's been a complicated conversation. But, nevertheless,
I think that everybody agrees that we need to restart this program.
And you do have now an interim program with $17 million to
spend. We would like to see you expedite that as best you can,
recognizing that you've got some wonderful properties that are on this
ninth acquisition cycle that would be great for the program.
And I will say that I agree with Bill that we have purchased some
wonderful urban parcels, and we'll continue to in the future. Don't
forget you also have a Parks and Rec program that is very viable and
very robust. Different sort of objectives, but does provide that green
space in active recreation. So remember how to complement these two
programs in terms of conservation value, ecological function, and
public recreation and that sort of thing. Thanks very much.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker and final speaker on this item
is Nicole Johnson.
MS. JOHNSON: Good morning. For the record, Nicole Johnson,
here on behalf of the Conservancy of Southwest Florida, and I guess I
will third what has been said previously about how great the program
is and Alex and her staff and the committee, and the Conservancy is
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really appreciative to all of you that we are standing here and talking
about Cycle 9 for the program.
I did want to weigh in on this question of should the weighting for
the criteria be tweaked a little bit. You know, right now we do have
some concerns about that. We have concerns about the need for
changing the criteria and applying weighting to certain aspects of the
existing criteria, and we have concerns about the timing of it, as Brad
had mentioned.
In looking at the need for the weighting, right now the program
does have a lot of flexibility. You have your different criteria upon
which the committee and, ultimately, you determine the total scores,
the total weighting, the total appropriateness of the parcel for
acquisition, and you are able to give extra weight, extra points to those
parcels that you believe are most appropriate, such as the urban
parcels. That exists right now. So I'm not sure how a tweak, which I
believe was described as a little more weight, helps. I don't know what
a little more weight is. Is it that you automatically get 50 points to start
off? Is it five additional points? You have that flexibility right now.
And, Commissioner Fiala, we agree with you. You know, those
urban parcels, those are great opportunities because people drive by
them every day, and they like to see the green space, the conservation
green space aspect. So, you know, we're a little concerned about why
this is coming up now and the need for that.
In looking at the timing of it, you're essentially mid cycle. You're
in the midst of Cycle 9. And a lot of properties that have been in the
Conservation Collier purgatory, we'll call it, now with the $17 million
infused, they're able to go forward. Is it fair to them to have them
evaluated under a new system?
This is something that maybe we should be looking towards as we
move forward to Cycle 10, but let's let the parcels that are in process
right now move forward under the existing weighting, and then we can
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look at changes going forward. And I would like to better understand
the definition of what a little more weighting would equate to.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
All right. Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. And I think, Ms. Alex, if
you can come back up, please. Just -- I wanted to ask a question. In
the ninth cycle, if I understand it correctly, those will come back to us
specifically in the spring for approval of those acquisitions?
MS. SULECKI: Yes. We're on track to bring it to you in April.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: April. And then approximately
how much are the -- is the acquisition price? Have you got that
number yet?
MS. SULECKI: I think I had that -- it's just an estimate at this
point.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, of course.
MS. SULECKI: But 32.7 million. That's for all of them.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: All nine.
MS. SULECKI: And certainly all of them won't make the A list.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So -- thank you.
I would like to make a suggestion here today because it still
sounds like there's, minimumly, a need for some additional discussion
with regard to this actual resolution and the tweaking as, in fact, goes
on. I think I raised comments when I was reading through it that I had
concerns with regard to the split of the revenue streams that come in to
support Conservation Collier on a 75/25 basis, and I'm not sure that
that's going to be sufficient.
I'd like to see a little more -- I know, Madam Chair, you brought
up some information a while ago from one of our community leaders
with regard to the per-acre expense associated with maintenance and
upkeep of environmentally sensitive lands. And I'm not sure that that
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25 percent -- I haven't seen that data and analysis to ratify that that 25
percent's going to be enough.
So -- and I also, I think as late as last week, gave some
suggestions to adjustments to the ordinance to our County Attorney to
make sure that my thoughts were legal, and those haven't been
implemented into this. So I think we're really not hurting anything if
we were to continue this item for at least another month, all of us
spend a little bit of time with specificity and adjustments to the
ordinance, maybe adding in a little science with regard to the
maintenance aspect of what we already, in fact, own and see how it
correlates to the revenues that we have available for maintenance and
allow for some more input from the public.
We're really not delaying anything by continuing this for another
month. That would be -- and I don't want to take anybody else's
thunder, but I'd do that in the form of a motion if the Board were so
inclined.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, I tend to agree.
There's no urgency. We were in the middle of that ninth cycle. We
want to change the parameters in the middle of that, and so we have
some time. So I don't have any problem with delaying this.
The resolution, I agree that it's a little bit murky in terms of what
the changes are, and so I think we do need to spend a little time. So I'll
second your motion.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I'll support the motion as well.
My only concern, as Ms. Johnson brought up, is, I mean, right now we
have these criteria that the CCLAC applies, and they're very broad, and
they have a lot flexibility and, ultimately, they're the ones that
implement or hopefully implement the policy that's set in the original
ordinance, and part of that right was to purchase these properties in
urban areas.
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So I'm just a little concerned with, you know, tying the hands by
putting in a mathematical formula that's going to weight some things
more than others. I'm not so sure that it shouldn't be up to the CCLAC
to consider all of the factors, all of the different properties and make
the recommendation.
So I'd like to learn a little bit more on how the weighting would
work, because I could see a situation, because of the way the math
works in the weighting, then they're going to have to, you know, put at
the top of the list an urban property when, you know, everybody was
really more in favor of maybe some other property. And I'm just
concerned with that, that it maybe takes the flexibility away from the
CCLAC. So that's my only concern.
And, I agree, I don't think we should apply it to the current cycle,
even if we were to adopt it. There's no sense in doing that. And I
would support the motion to continue it and have some more
discussions.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And same with me. And I agree
with everything that you've just said. I wasn't really sure why, or it
didn't explain why we decided to do this weighting. We didn't do it
before, and I was wondering, is there a reason behind that, and maybe
we could discuss it at that meeting then as well. Not to belabor it here,
but you can tell us what led to that.
MR. OCHS: Well, Commissioner, I can tell you, because I've
heard from at least three different commissioners over the last few
months on the dais about, you know, ideas and changes they'd like to
see in the program. So before we brought you the acquisition list for
the ninth cycle, I wanted this board to have a chance to tell me if they
wanted any of those changes made or applied before the cycle comes
forward in April.
What I'm hearing is you're not in a particular hurry to do that, and
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that's fine. So I've accomplished my mission at the staff level to get
some more board clarification. And what I'll do is, based on the vote,
I'll just ask staff to meet individually with each one of you and get your
suggestions, if you have them, on how you'd like to see the ordinance
changed, if at all, and we'll try to coalesce that into an item that we can
bring back in the spring and let you consider it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Perfect.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Can I say one more thing?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Of course.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I vaguely remember having a
discussion, and I think it was the Chairman that brought up at some
point maybe we need to revisit some of the properties that it already
owns in the urban area and whether or not the maintenance of those --
am I remembering that incorrectly?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: There was, I believe, Trust For Public
Lands Report --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- that Mr. Vasey distributed to us or
me, and --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And me.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- but I'm wondering if it was this
commission or the one before, because it's quite a while. But in it
there is a clear formula of maintenance of public lands.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, right.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And, you know, it's not something that
is locally created. It's by a highly respected entity. So the question is,
if we're going to jigger the amount of purchase versus the maintenance
--
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Maintenance.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- do we want to adjust it? And I think
Commissioner McDaniel correctly has said maybe we need to revisit
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that again before we make those decisions.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No -- and I agree. Really
understanding the numbers on that is -- now that the program's going
to start up again, we need to make sure that we are very, very clear on
what the maintenance costs are going to be moving forward.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Very important. When you think that,
after Hurricane Irma -- I don't remember the number -- but not all of
our public lands are open because they need maintenance, it speaks to
it in a very direct way. All right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I have one last comment,
if I might. I know I made a motion and you've got to go. But I just
wanted to say that there is -- I think if we all make a concerted effort to
make our suggestions to staff so that we can have a semi-completed
resolution to be able to bring forward. I want to make it clear that
there is appropriation money available for acquisitions right now. We
are going through that cycle.
There has been some misnomers about lack of funding and
stalling of acquisitions and that sort of thing, and that's not, in fact, the
case. And I just -- I wanted to say that out loud with how we're
moving forward.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And maybe part of -- and it certainly
doesn't need to be at our next meeting unless I have disagreement up
here, but maybe we could get that land -- Trust for Public Lands land
acquisition cost pamphlet, which is a printed pamphlet. Maybe we
could get that distributed again. I got it, but I'm not sure I know where
it is.
MR. OCHS: Sure. When we meet with you individually, we'll
deliver that --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'm sure Duke -- Duke can put
it right to us.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. So would you repeat the
motion, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, geez.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I think it was just a motion to
continue.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Motion to continue. I'd actually
specified for at the next meeting, but if there isn't a necessity for that
and staff -- and I know we only have one meeting in December. I don't
--
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And can we refer, so we're very clear
about the ninth acquisition cycle, that it is not delayed for this
continuation, that it is -- we go into it with the criteria that exists as of
today.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I don't want to make that part
of my motion. I would like to continue this item for a period of time to
be heard in as soon a fashion as our staff can, in fact, get it. And the
only reason I'm hesitant on not making adjustments to the resolution
with regard to the acquisitions in the Cycle 9 is I have some -- I have
made some personal recommendations to our County Attorney with
regard to the acquisitions and the stipulations that are put upon
utilization of development rights and things that I would like to see
tightened up even in advance of -- and I don't think that there are
issues. I don't think that they'll have a negative impact on the current
cycle, but they may necessitate being put in prior to the end of this -- or
during this cycle, so...
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: When does the ninth acquisition cycle
begin? Are we in it right now?
MR. OCHS: You're midstream, as Alex mentioned. We're
scheduled to bring you parcels for consideration in April?
MS. SULECKI: April, yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So perhaps -- because we're in
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midstream and you have ideas, perhaps you could get some clarity on
that and if, indeed, they will affect the acquisition of these lands
profoundly, then it needs to be brought back. Other than that, I would
agree with the County Manager that we hear this in the spring
sometime after this acquisition cycle is finished.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I think we're saying the
same thing. I mean, this is --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I don't want the acquisition cycle held
up because of --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: By no means are we. I don't
want to stipulate in the motion of continuance of this particular item
that we don't apply any adjustments to the resolution in regard to the
acquisitions recommended during the ninth cycle. There may be some
that we're all going to be okay with that can be adjusted during the
ninth cycle that don't negatively impact those recommendations.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, just so I'm
clear, we have a motion to continue this item so staff can bring it back.
That's a pretty simple motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: There's no intent to do
anything to impact the Cycle 9.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The committee's going to
bring back some recommendations in April. So I'd move the question.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. There's a motion on the floor
and a second. All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There we go.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We're as clear as mud, are we?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, it was pretty clear.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, that was good.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It was a little milky, not
muddy.
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, your next item under your time
certain was Item 11B, which is the presentation of the jail master plan.
I think the presentation is about 15 minutes. So if you'd be willing to
work a few minutes into the lunch hour, or do you want a full hour?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Unfortunately, I can't, but what we
could do is break for lunch and come back at 11:45, 11:50 (sic).
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, we're going to have to
eat fast.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's an hour.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, it's 11 -- you said 11:45.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I'm sorry. Twelve.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah. Don't be shying us six
minutes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Only because I have a function that I
have to be at at --
MR. OCHS: That's fine. But we -- you know, we have three
more time-certain items, and they're all backed up one behind the
other. So we'll just --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And it was all my fault because
of the proclamations for the Boy Scouts. I apologize.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right.
MR. OCHS: So we'll begin the afternoon with Item 11B.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: At 12:50.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: 12:52.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: 12:50.
(A luncheon recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd please take your
seats.
Madam Chair, you have a live mike.
Item #7 (Continued)
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR FUTURE AGENDA
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: County Manager, I believe we have a
citizen who thought public comment was right after we came back
after lunch. And I think it would be appropriate, perhaps, to hear from
the public at this point from this one speaker.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
MR. MILLER: Yes. I have one speaker. Rosemary
Goris-Karnes.
MS. GORIS-KARNES: Thank you very much for allowing me
to speak.
I was here at the last meeting that spoke about affordable housing,
and I didn't have all my plans ready, but I do have plans, if possible, to
put affordable housing in Immokalee, smaller homes, or they call them
tiny homes but not micro homes. And if I could work with anybody in
the county who can tell me where the need is most, I would love to put
the community in Immokalee.
These are green homes, energy efficient. So you can get an
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energy-efficient mortgage. They're smaller, but I also have plans for
larger homes for multi-generational families and for service workers,
service homes that are one and two bedrooms.
So I'm just here to let everybody know that I am available to
speak to -- if I can talk to any of you after the meeting --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I think --
MS. GORIS-KARNES: -- I'd appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah. I think after the meeting. It's
probably not today. But I think -- you know, you're more than
welcome. And this is your commissioner, Commissioner McDaniel,
from the Immokalee area. But you're more than welcome to make
appointments with us individually, of course.
MS. GORIS-KARNES: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I have said that all along.
I mean, there have been multiple people that have came and spoken to
me with regard to offering housing for the needs of our community.
And we do have a procedure, and we refer those over to our staff,
and then we go through that process, because there's -- when you're
dealing in the public venue, there's a process that you, in fact, have to
go through, so -- but thank you very much for sharing.
MS. GORIS-KARNES: I'm new, so I don't know the process.
But I will meet with you later. I'll make an appointment.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'm just learning it myself.
MS. GORIS-KARNES: Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And, by
the way, I love the incubator.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Who doesn't?
MS. GORIS-KARNES: I love it. I hope you approve it. Thank
you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: What have you heard?
MS. GORIS-KARNES: Well, I heard that -- we don't know. We
hope.
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MR. OCHS: Commissioner -- oh, I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes, go ahead, please.
MR. OCHS: I didn't mean to cut the speaker off.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No, you didn't.
Item #11B
JAIL MASTER PLAN FINAL REPORT, CONSIDER
CONSULTANT AND STAKEHOLDER RECOMMENDATIONS
AND PROVIDE FURTHER STAFF DIRECTION – MOTION TO
ACCEPT THE REPORT – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: That moves us to the 11 a.m. time-certain, Item
11B. This is a recommendation to accept the jail master plan final
report, consider consultant and stakeholder recommendations, and
provide further staff direction. Margaret Bishop, your Principal
Project Manager with Facilities Management, will begin the
presentation.
Margaret?
MS. BISHOP: Good afternoon. For the record, Margaret Bishop,
Principal Project Manager, Facilities Management Division.
The 2008 Jail Master Plan needed to be updated to address the
changing demographics and medical and mental-health needs. The
Board approved a negotiated contract with AECOM in February of
2017.
We've been working with the Collier County Sheriff's Office for
input. Before we hear AECOM's presentation, I'd like to introduce
Chief Chris Roberts. He's been our point person, and he's provided a
wealth of information for the project.
CHIEF ROBERTS: Good morning, Commissioners and County
Manager and Nick and everyone. Nice to see everyone.
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We certainly appreciate the hard work that AECOM has done on
this. No surprises really, but their expertise certainly puts a fine point
on some things that we already knew, and they've made some very
expensive recommendations for the future.
It's our intention at this point, though -- we're still absorbing the
plan ourself, looking at our own needs, working with Deputy
Department Head Dan Rodriguez from the county to actually, you
know, absorb all this, get back to the Public Safety Coordinating
Council with some recommendations that we think we can sharpen our
pencils a little bit more, and we're probably looking at some
recommendations coming to the Board probably in the two to five year
time frame for some reconstruction within our current facilities. You
know, not looking to build a new jail or create things that we don't
need or spend money that we don't have.
So on behalf of Sheriff Rambosk and the men and women that
work over there, thank you very much for your time.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you.
MS. BISHOP: So I would like to introduce Roger Lichtman; he's
the Director of Justice and Senior Vice President of AECOM.
MR. LICHTMAN: Good afternoon. Thank you very much.
So we submitted the master plan. It's been reviewed. The
Sheriff's Department has been wonderful in terms of the data that they
have been able to provide us, and I think, Commissioner McDaniel,
you saw some of the data that was presented at the symposium we had
several months ago.
The report which I'm going to go through, I will try and make it
as interesting as possible. It's 293 pages. My original feeling was to go
through each page on a detailed basis. For those of you who remember
Cliff Notes, we decided we'll do the Cliff Note version instead.
So the table of contents here, you can see, it's basically -- and it
goes through everything, and, of course, I think the most pertinent part
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probably before you in reviewing this is the executive summary, unless
you really want to get into the weeds with it. But the executive
summary pretty much has everything that you'll need to know.
So basically, in terms of the introduction, we'll go through each of
these. And these were the tasks that were outlined by our original
scope of work: Developing profiles of the detention population, the
admissions, the releases; prepare and make profiles, who's in your jail,
what's going to happen with the jail in terms of the future population
forecast; submit a preliminary report; and then a key issue that is
facing all counties all across the country right now, which is the
medical/mental-health issues in jail. And, of course, as we all know,
that the jails in everybody's community has become the catchall for
mental-health facilities and that type of thing. And when the police
arrest and somebody is a bit out of it, there really isn't much of another
place to take them, so they wind up in the jail; and then presenting the
final report.
So a little bit of the data. I mean, if anybody has any questions,
please feel free to ask. I didn't want to get too detailed here, but some
of it, you know, your local misdemeanor, the average age
misdemeanor is 34 years old; felon, 33 years old. 78 percent of your
inmates are male; 22 percent female. Where the crimes are committed,
the bonds amounts for crimes. You know, some of the issues that are
facing the country that I'm sure you're aware of right now is that --
instituted in New Jersey, soon to be instituted in California is the
elimination of cash bail which, you know, is -- that could sweep the
country and really greatly reduce. In New Jersey, I think it's reduced
the jail population by over 20 percent so far this year, because they just
instituted it last January without a significant rise in crime.
Time in custody for inmates: 59 percent of the misdemeanors and
20 percent of the felons were released the same day, which just goes to
show what an excellent job the Sheriff's Department is doing in terms
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of the whole idea of get them out as quick as possible.
And then 16 percent of the misdemeanors, 23 percent of the
felons were released after one day. So only 2 percent of the population
are in jail for a year or longer, which is just great.
Diversion sentences are 8 percent of the felons, 20 percent of the
misdemeanors, so that's all good.
Go through admissions: Average length of stay 9.2 days in 1991.
This is a little bit disturbing. In 2016, the average length of stay was
29.7 days. That's a long period of time to hold somebody, especially
pretrial.
So average daily population in 1991 was 364, in 2016 was 763;
however, you can't -- you've got to take that in context with the county
population because you'll see what happened was that despite the fact
that the jail population doubled, so did the county population double
during the same period of time. So it's really not a terrible statistic to
occur.
And county population estimates are, in 2020, 378,000, and
503,900 by 24 (sic) -- '45.
The admission rates, county incarceration rate: Now, county
incarceration rate, let me just share with you, that's not a goal to strive
for or to measure. What it is, is it's a test to determine whether or not
the other factors are working for you, because what we have is so
many variables in terms of the laws, what we're putting people in jail
for, how long we're holding them for, how long it takes before they see
a judge on an arraignment or anything else like that.
So there are so many issues -- or bail diversion and all those other
things. So that's just a test to make sure that we are within the norms,
which in this particular case, we are; we're pretty good.
So in terms of the projections, we have -- just catch up here.
What we looked at was the admission rate per 100,000 average daily
population, total beds necessary for peak populations, because
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obviously you can't turn people away because you're overcrowded.
Necessary for classification: What that means is that if you only
have maximum security beds available, you can't put a minimum
security inmate in a maximum security bed, and obviously vice versa's
the same. And then the incarceration rate, which is the test.
So here we looked at 2026 through -- the average length of stay
for 22 days, average length of stay 25 days, average length of stay of
30 days to make a determination. And on your own time when you
have the report you can go through this and see what the impact on the
jail is. But what it does is it comes with a number for which you need
to house on each of those variables. And then we went further. We
went to 2045 so that we could project all the way out.
Now, what we don't know is the unforeseen, clearly. I mean, if
all of a sudden, for argument's sake, if all drugs become legal
tomorrow, that's obviously going to have an effect on this, but we can't
project that, and we can't predict it. So, basically, if all the rules were
essentially staying the same, this is where your jail population will be
by 2045.
So what do we do with this? Great. Okay, Roger, you've
presented data. What do we do with the data now? So the key to this
is exactly that, how do we deal with this? So simultaneously, because
what we wanted to do was shorten the overall schedule of the report,
what we did was we worked with the Sheriff's Department and
determined 10 different types of housing units in order to -- in order to
house different types of inmates. And there's a variety of what we're
recommending.
For example, this is Housing Type 1. They're predicated on 64
beds, which is an efficient staffing ratio, so you have one officer per
shift in with 64 inmates in a direct supervision mode so that they
actually can interact and communicate and manage the unit in that
manner, which is very effective.
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So in this case what we have is four-bed multiple occupancy cells
so that you have the ability to sub classify. If four inmates aren't
getting along, you have the ability to separate them out so that you can
micro classify, if you will. And the idea here, too, is that it's a
decentralized program so that off of each of the housing units, in
addition to dayroom, there's interview space, there's multipurpose
space so that they can have some school, recreation, and those types of
things as well.
So Housing Type 2 takes it one step further: Eight-bed multiple
occupancy cells. That gives you the ability to have eight guys living
together on a 64-bed unit, so it gives the officers the opportunity to mix
and match as they see fit. So if the inmates are well behaved and
everybody's getting along, those doors can remain open, and you might
be able to have recreation until, say, 10 o'clock at night so it's not lock
them up and throw away the key; so that we're really trying to
accomplish something here with some sort of education and letting
them have meaningful time while they're under your custody.
So Housing Types 7, 8, 9, and 10 deal with mental health and
medical, which is really the crux of what's facing the country as well as
Collier County today.
So here -- I mean, in some of these cases, you know, you've got a
lot of single cells. You have some other step-down unit where you
might have four-bed multiple occupancy cells but still with the
recreation and everything else. You have counseling in there. You
have more interview rooms. You have a medical cell.
In addition, the shared space for the program areas to include all
of these things that are there to provide a multitude of other
opportunities for the inmates to better themselves and make it easier
for the staff to manage a unit without having to circulate inmates all
over the jail and take staff time to do that.
So the way this works is that this is the shared unit, so you have a
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unit control, one guy who might be in charge of the four 64-beds for a
total of 256, and that's the way it works, and then however many of
those you have.
So what we wound up with is 352 total increase plus 48 beds
infirmary, and in addition to that, we have 96 mental-health beds of
which 64 are men mental health and 32 are women mental health.
So a typical housing, general population housing cluster is
comprised of two Type 1 housing, one Type 4, and one Type 2, so it
basically looks like this. Nothing fancy about that. Then here's the
mental health and the step-down units.
And the principles identified by the Sheriff's Office incorporated;
some of these are worth mentioning: Staffing efficiency, obviously,
because that translates directly to the pocketbook of the county;
decentralizing so that you're not running a thousand-plus bed jail so
that each unit of 64, the most person or inmate or staff will ever
interact with is those 64 and then on a scheduled basis within the
256-bed unit.
Safety and security, of course, is paramount. We want to
minimize opportunities for inmates to harm themselves or others.
Natural light is important. I mean, think about yourselves, how
you feel in a room like this with no windows versus a room with
windows with natural light coming in. And this isn't just sympathy for
the inmates, because the staff have to work there, and they're putting in
usually more time than the inmates are. So everybody wants a nice
space to work.
A normative environment so that it's not bars and everything else
and, unfortunately, a lot of your existing jail does not project any of
these issues right now.
So you also want different housing options so that, again, we're
not housing everybody in maximum security or everybody in
minimum security so that it gives you an effective tool in terms of an
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inmate classification system.
Obviously, fastest growing portion of the population right now all
across the country is women. So we have to be able to accommodate
the female inmates, and especially in terms of medical and in terms of
mental health, and men also in terms of medical and mental health as
our inmate population gets old, as the rest of us get older as well.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: But, excuse me. You just divided that
in half. You said 64 percent for mental-health beds for men and I
thought --
MR. LICHTMAN: Not percent. What I said -- the reason being
--
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, 64 to 32.
MR. LICHTMAN: Yeah. And the reason being is because the
men population is not double the female population. It's significantly
more, so the percentage of mental health within the female that is
being proposed here is greater than the percentage for the men for
mental-health issues.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. So that's a final number, okay.
Thank you.
MR. LICHTMAN: Okay. Create therapeutic environment:
Obviously accessible for inmate programming so that they can better
themselves. Durable, clean, well-maintained housing units,
state-of-the-art technology is a no-brainer. You know, you want to be
on the cutting edge but not the bleeding edge, clearly.
And we want to be able to consider long-term flexibility and
functionality so that when things change so that -- the beauty of an
eight-bed housing unit is that when things change you can do different
things as opposed to if you only have single cells, it's hard to treat
anybody in any environment other than what looks like a jail.
So here's some of the options that we came up with. And this is
Option 1. And as Chief Roberts pointed out, some of these are really
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expensive. And we went to the two extremes to try and give you all the
choices.
You can see here this is the existing jail here. So what this does is
essentially tear down the entire front of the jail and then build all new.
One of the concepts that we also talked about was community
corrections, and community corrections is a diversion program so that
-- the idea being that if we can keep somebody out of jail but have
them on a day reporting basis or just spend the night, for argument
sake, so that they're work release, they can go to their job so that their
family doesn't have to worry about how they're going to support
themselves while the main breadwinner is in jail; this is an opportunity
to do that with a community corrections center. So it could either be
day reporting or only night reporting, but the idea being is that there is
intervention within that person's life as opposed to locking them up and
throwing away the key even for a month, because that could be a
problem.
And they can also be -- through the community corrections, there
can be aftercare as well. So -- anyway, that's Option 1.
Option 2 is essentially similar. It's a major renovation. Tears
down all the housing. I don't -- have any -- if you haven't, I
recommend that you walk through the jail. It's not the nicest place to
be, and there are better examples. I mean, when you're ready to
encounter on this road, I would suggest that we should do a tour
together, because there are some good examples; not too far. I mean,
Hillsborough County is a good example, is one; Orange County is not
too far away either. That's another good example. So just to see what
some of the other folks have done.
This one is a major replacement. This is 3A. And what this does
is actually -- this is very expensive because we're building housing
over the retention basin. The problem is the example I used before is
some of you are as old as me, and you remember you had the puzzle
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that had all the tiles, that you had to slide all the tiles, and there was
one tile missing, and you had to get them all in order. Okay.
So what you guys have here is you have that puzzle but there's no
tiles missing, all right? So it makes it very difficult to move those tiles
around without the tile missing. So, as a result, that's what happens
here. We've got to create the tile missing. So that's why in some of
those options you'll see. Here, this is the same thing with the
community corrections center built over the retention basin.
Now we get into the streamline options. This is doing the best we
can without taking out any of those tiles to move them around but,
unfortunately, what it is, is it's straight renovation. So there's a phasing
issue that goes around, and what we're trying to do is take your
existing footprint and try and make it work for a new program;
whereas, the next option says, all right, let's not do that because what
we're concerned about is we're going to wind up with a new old jail if
we do that. So what this option does, which is Option 5, is it says, no,
let's build new for the portions we can build new for where we have
the room, and that's what we did here, and then just renovate the other
housing units to a minimal.
So here is all the cost comparisons. And you can see -- and the
thing that I hate about doing cost and cost comparisons is if you look at
this line right here, raw construction costs, you can look at raw
construction costs and say Option 4, wow, that's pretty reasonable.
Even Option 5, which is all that new housing and stuff, that's pretty
reasonable, too. But once you start adding on general conditions,
general requirements, bonds and all that other stuff, you get up here.
And then you've got soft costs, which is all the insurance, and
you've got fixtures, furnishings and equipment, and you've got fees and
all that other stuff. You wind up here.
So the cheapest option is 13 million, and a reasonable option, I
think, is 36 million. And if you invest in lottery tickets for the county
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and win, you know, close to $100 million, which I wouldn't
recommend any of those options. I think you can -- you can glean the
benefits of the study and not spend that much money.
So, I mean, frankly, we recommended the Option 5 was the one
that we ultimately came up with as the best bang for the buck, if you
will. And the times you can see right here in terms of phasing, because
the phasing in Option 4 and 5, because there's less demolition, it's a
little bit more efficient.
Any questions?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No.
MR. LICHTMAN: Feel like you just drank from a fire hose?
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So what are we planning on doing
here? Are we -- what's the next step, sir?
MR. OCHS: Margaret?
MS. BISHOP: Is there a recommendation from the Board?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Say that again.
MS. BISHOP: Is there a recommendation from the Board to
accept the master plan? Did you want --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: To accept the master plan.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I would make that motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So would I.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I'll second that.
Okay. So there's a motion on the floor to accept the master plan
and a second. Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Does the master plan include the
bottom-line price?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Which is? Is that the one that they
recommended the 36,000?
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No, there's a whole bunch of options.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There's five options.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We're not making any
decisions.
CHIEF ROBERTS: We're not requesting the Board commit to
spending any money towards jail reconstruction today.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay.
CHIEF ROBERTS: What we're asking for is the Board accepts
the master plan. AECOM has done a fantastic job of reviewing our
criminal justice system.
As you can see, we're doing a pretty good job already. They have
made some recommendations, some of which we can act on
immediately going forward without reconstructing anything.
The big thing at the end of the day is the mental-health beds and
for the sick people in the jail, and I know the Board is also working
with David Lawrence Center on some of those issues. We sort of need
to be part of that and maintain, you know, cohesiveness going forward
so that we're walking in lock step and get the jail set up so that it can
deal with the folks that wind up ultimately being in jail and part of
those mental-health patients.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's very good to hear. I mean, I
agree, it's a partnership.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, absolutely.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And, you know, we don't want to
duplicate efforts. And this is -- I'm very impressed with this master
plan, and thank you for initiating. Very impressed with it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me just add, the gentleman
asked if any of us have been in the jail. Well, I've been in the jail,
actually, but not "in" the jail.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Just a visit.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I've taken tour groups through there;
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I think it's three tour groups already. Each tour group is very happy to
leave. And we suggest that anybody who is thinking about committing
a crime, go and take a tour. You'll never commit a crime. So I agree
with you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: There's a motion on the floor and a
second.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I do have a comment.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I just wanted to say, I
didn't see the minutes from the Public Safety Coordinating Committee.
Has that come up yet?
MR. OCHS: No, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Just as a brief aside, this
all falls in line with that organization as well, and we did have a
meeting in October. And as a portion of that meeting, I invited
multiple institutions of our community that assist with mental illness
and drug addiction to attend that, and we talked about coordinating the
efforts with the penal side from a -- from the Sheriff's Office along
with the judicial side along with the State Attorney's Office at the same
time, and with an emphasis -- and it was kind of downplayed by our
consultant today, but the emphasis is programming, to transitional jail
process to work with inmates that are incarcerated, because we've all
come to the grand conclusion that little to no -- little to no assistance
comes from incarceration. The penal system really doesn't assist with
repeat offenders and such.
So that was the emphasis of that committee and moving towards a
coordinated effort to assist folks with mental illness and drug
addiction, so this report flies right in line with what our -- I'm sure
we'll probably see it in December -- the report from the Public Safety
Coordinating Committee.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. So there's a motion on the
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floor and a second. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
MS. BISHOP: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you for your hard works. I
know this was brief, but this is a great report that we will keep close to
us. Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, Commissioners.
Item #14B1
THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BOARD
(CRAB), REVIEW OF THE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS TO
DEVELOP THE 17-ACRE CRA PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE
BAYSHORE/GATEWAY TRIANGLE REDEVELOPMENT
AREA, AND AUTHORIZING STAFF TO ENTER INTO
NEGOTIATIONS WITH ONE OR TWO OF THE PROPOSERS –
MOTION FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH BOTH PROVIDERS
AND BRING BACK PROPOSALS WITH MORE SPECIFICS FOR
FINAL APPROVAL AT A FUTURE BOARD MEETING –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: That takes us to our 11:30 time-certain hearing. It
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was Item 14B1, and the Board will convene as the Community
Redevelopment Agency.
Check a recommendation that the Board acting as the Community
Redevelopment Agency board review the submitted proposals to
develop the 17-acre CRA property located in the Bayshore/Gateway
Triangle Redevelopment Area and authorize staff to enter into
negotiations with one or two of the proposers. So I believe --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Got it.
MR. OCHS: Got the gavel, Madam Chair?
CHAIRMAN FIALA: CRA meeting will please come to order.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Do it again.
MS. FORESTER: Good afternoon. For the record, Deborah
Forester, CRA Director.
This afternoon's presentation is a review of two submitted
proposals for the 17.89-acre property that is located in the
Bayshore/Gateway Triangle CRA.
The 17-acre site located on Bayshore Drive was purchased by the
CRA in 2006 with the intent to provide a cultural arts facility and
provide a connection from Bayshore Drive to Sugden Park.
Planning studies and public input continued through the years to
review -- to refine the visions for the Bayshore cultural arts district that
would serve as a catalyst project for the area.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Deborah, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I was
just asking, did you say your name for the record so that our court
stenographer has it?
MS. FORESTER: I believe I did, but it's Deborah Forester, CRA
Director. You're welcome.
So the vision for the district is to create a destination with both
cultural and performing arts, residential and retail uses, including a
live/work unit that attract the creative class to come into the area.
Providing a connection between the site and Sugden Park is a
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priority which would provide easy access to both the Bayshore
residents and park visitors which would allow for an expanded market
area.
To implement the vision and increase the marketability of the site,
the CRA pursued a rezone of the property. In 2012 the property was
rezoned to the Bayshore Cultural Arts Village at Bayshore, a
mixed-use planned unit development. The current zoning allows for
40 residential units, up to approximately 48,000 square feet of
commercial, up to 84,000 square feet of a parking garage, and a
350-fixed-seat performance theater. The site also allows for a height
of up to four stories.
I'd like to invite Tim Durham up to the podium. He will go over
the process and introduce our two presenters today. Thank you.
MR. DURHAM: Hi, Commissioners. Tim Durham, for the
record, County Manager's Office.
We have -- I'll tell you a little bit about the process. I'll make it
very quick. The executive summary kind of lays it out very nicely. But
in an April 11th BCC meeting you approved guidelines to put out a
solicitation to get proposers for this. That was done June 1st, 2017.
We gave them 90 days to respond. By August 21st, 2017, we had
three successful proposers that met the deadline. Those three
proposers went before the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle Advisory Board
in two separate meetings; one on October 5th and one on October 19th.
One of the three presenters formally dropped out of the competition.
That was Minker's Property, LLC. That leaves you with two
presenters who are here today to show you their proposed projects.
With your pleasure, we'd like to give each one up to 10 minutes,
if that's -- up to 10 minutes to show you what their projects are.
So without further adieu -- and I'd be happy to answer questions
after the presentations -- the first one will be Mr. Arno De Villiers.
MR. de VILLIERS: Good afternoon. My name is Arno De
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Villiers. I'm the President, and my company is called Arno,
Incorporated; A-r-n-o. I'm an architect and a Florida licensed building
contractor. My wife and my family and I have lived here for 20 years,
and all those years I've been very happy in Naples, and I've been
involved in this project for the last 10 years. So without further adieu,
let me move on.
This is the village that I would like to build over there. In the far
distance, you see the performing arts hall. It's called the VPAC Hall
right now. I'm sure they'll change the name eventually. But the village
will be a mixed-use one with commercial spaces at grade.
As you can see on the left side, that would be Bayshore Drive
with a direct pedestrian access right into a shopping street with small
commercial units at grade, or first floor, and then you move to the back
to where there is a village square or a piazza, whatever you want to call
it.
So this would be the VPAC center that I designed in consultation
with the Opera Naples group and the CAPA Group. And this is based
on the strict dimensions that they gave me concerning the idealized
performance hall or opera house.
I was involved -- I'm just taking you through a little bit of history.
In 2008 I was involved with David Jackson, Jean Jourdan, and good
Shirley -- good old Shirley Garcia at the time, who's still there. And
through the agency of RWA civil engineers, I had -- I was asked for a
proposal, and what you see there in the back is the performance hall
that was requested and suggested at that time.
And on the left of the picture, you would see the parking garage
surrounded by some mixed-use buildings. That was then.
Now, here is my philosophy: Appoint the very best team you can
appoint of legal, financial specialists, architects, and engineers. I'm
proposing two development teams. Right on the left you'll see the
village development team comprised of everybody from -- virtually
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from Collier County. We have some extraordinarily talented people,
capable engineers, et cetera, in Naples and not necessary to look
anywhere else.
On the right side, however, it's a separate team, because we really
need to have the absolute best. If I can point out anyone on the right,
that would be Fisher Dachs Associates from New York. They are
absolutely the best in the business. This is their brochure. Let me just
show it to you. You can see how many pages their brochure is. Mr.
Joshua Dachs has been to Naples, very interested in taking this on. He
was involved with CAPA some time ago as a consultant for a while,
and he's really very keen to pick up the reins again.
He has been involved with over a thousand performance halls all
over the world. Can you believe that? Theaters, opera house, all kinds
of such facilities. He is, without doubt, the best guy in the world.
Depending how much he charges us, we will be appointing him.
Okay. I had all my life studied the village. It's just been a lifelong
passion, and I've always been very keen on the subject. I wrote this
book, so I feel like an expert. I wrote the book on it. There are 60
pages of ideas that really work that come from my observations about
how things have been built that have been very successful. I'm talking
villages in the United States, also in Europe, and I've always asked
myself, why do thousands of people spend a lot of money traveling
over there to just enjoy the environment? And I've tried to unlock the
secrets, and I've applied them here.
Okay. This is a little aerial. Again, it shows Bayshore Drive on
the left, a pedestrian mall -- sorry -- just a pedestrian street with shops
at the bottom, which is directly accessible from the sidewalk. We're
not climbing stairs up to it or climbing stairs down it. I've looked at
those issues, and what we want to foster over there is pedestrianization.
We want to be able to create an environment there where people can
walk up the sidewalks and walk into the facility.
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Bayshore's really a cool place. If I can use millennial language or
even from my hippie days, it's a cool place, and we want to make it
even more cool, right?
What I'm trying to do there is create a Mercato for the average
person. Why should only millionaires or multimillionaires be allowed
to stay in the true urban environment, like Coconut Point or Mercato or
Fifth Avenue, for that matter? We want to do this for the average
person.
Now, if you want to bake a cake or prepare a good meal, ask any
chef, especially a gourmet chef, and he would tell you how to do it is
follow the recipe. My son even -- you know, I'm trying to improve my
own culinary skills. And he says, Dad, follow the recipe, because he
worked for some time helping a gourmet chef.
So what is the recipe? The recipe is -- and this is really important.
I really want you guys to drink this in. Place all the ingredients that
make up a true urban village into a pedestrian-only zone. No cars
allowed in the inner-sanctum, like at Coconut Point or the Mercato.
Take the cars out. You'll see there's a circular part on the outside,
which is a service road. You can drop all your goods and daily
requirements, fire trucks or refuse trucks, confine them to the outside.
Children should be able to run around without fear of being run over.
What you're putting there is all within a very short walkable
distance. In this particular instance -- this is from my book, by the
way, which you can find online quite easily. So the living is there,
working there, shopping, eating, playing, and the VPAC center,
especially, should be part -- right in there within the two-minute
distance, and you create a synergy thereby. You don't want to take the
VPAC center, move it out 1,500 feet, which will take you 10-minute
walk across boardwalks to get there at night which the crocodiles or
alligators are in the way. So don't try it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Crocodiles in there?
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MR. de VILLIERS: Okay. Step one, separate pedestrians and
parking. Step two, you've got the walking street now. Then the wide
spaces are where you would put buildings. What that does is you
create the village square, the walking street, and then little alleys in
which you can kind of get lost at.
I'm going to show you three urban patterns which I would like to
reintroduce. These are classics patterns that have always worked. The
one showing now is Monpazier in France built by the British in about
1400. You'll see always what happened there. The piazza or the
village square is a living room for the community. We need to create
that on Bayshore. That will be the heart of the village.
There's a small one in Naples downtown. Thank you to Andrea
Clark Brown. There's at least a little place in front of the Sugden
Theater which you can say, okay, when you sit down there, you're in
the heart of Naples. So when you sit down at this one, you're going to
be in the heart of Bayshore.
Okay. Secondly, pedestrian shopping streets. What happened in
ancient times you would put all the shopping and the important spaces
around the village square. When there's no more space for shops, you
would go alongside little side streets, get lost over there, like this plan
in Marbella in Spain, amazing place. This is Marbella Antigua, the old
city. You get lost and discover a little bar or a coffee bar along the
way.
Third, classic urban pattern, which we just virtually don't see
anywhere.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: What that bell means is your 10 minutes
are up.
MR. de VILLIERS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Can you wind this up, you know, in
another sentence or two?
MR. de VILLIERS: Sure. We have studio units, one-bedroom
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units, and two-bedroom units, and this is the big plan.
The last thing I want to say is the VPAC center, that is where it
should go. That was the original intension and, secondly, they need all
three acres to really do a -- for us to do a descent job over there. Thank
you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Thank you very much. It was so
interesting. We really appreciated that.
MR. de VILLIERS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Next?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Can I ask him one question,
Madam Chair?
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sir? And I found it interesting
that we were today voting or going to make a decision to direct staff to
go and negotiate with these potential purchasers, but there were kind of
offers made along that -- proposals made for these acquisitions. And
did I read in your proposal that you were making an outright purchase
of the 17 acres with little to no government assistance request other
than what we may be able to afford for housing affordability and the
like?
MR. de VILLIERS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. de VILLIERS: I would request perhaps a reduction in the
impact fees or maybe a delayed full payment at certain milestones
along the development process.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And just to be clear, I'm not
looking for you to commit today. I just wanted to -- I remember
reading that in your proposal, and I wanted to hear it out loud. And I
think what we're going to get today is a direction to staff to negotiate
with one or both of these proposers, and we'll get into the specificities
at a later date. But I just -- I wanted to clarify that.
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CHAIRMAN FIALA: Maybe I could ask a question also, then,
before we move to the next one. Can the opera house operate in the
same facility as CAPA?
MR. de VILLIERS: Yes. Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: They don't need a fly space or anything?
MR. de VILLIERS: They need a -- the opera certainly needs a
fly space. CAPA not too much. But they have worked their
differences out, or their similarities, I should say, and that would
combine all the facilities. And then there's a rest of space where
external spaces could be used, such as an amphitheater, but that will all
come out with the final development proposal.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So it's my understanding, number
one, your development will be funded by your investors --
MR. de VILLIERS: Correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- but you don't have any
commitments for your investors right now. You have a letter, but it's
not a commitment?
MR. de VILLIERS: No. I am fully committed -- I do full
commitment of financial support by the same development -- by the
same financial source in which I submitted a letter.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The White Lotus?
MR. de VILLIERS: No, no. This is NexTier out of New York. I
looked at various options financially. The best one I could find is a
group called NexTier out of New York. They have financed about $24
billion of property development, and they fully are supporting me and
behind this proposal.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's not in the packet.
MR. de VILLIERS: It is. If you're happy, I can table a letter
from them.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: If it is, then I've missed it. I
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thought it was White Lotus. I thought that --
MR. de VILLIERS: It was in my original meeting with the
advisory board. At that point I was looking at three options, but I've
now settled on this group out of New York.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's on Page 14 of his proposal,
and it does say NexTier, not -- NexTier is the group.
MR. de VILLIERS: Yes. I have a copy for you, if you would
like.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's fine. We've had almost a
year's delay with an underfinanced candidate that actually came on my
first day on this job. And so we just -- you know, I think there's a
roomful of folks that really want this to happen, and so we have to be
pretty secure that the funding is in place.
MR. de VILLIERS: Yes, yes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. So I'll leave that to Mr.
Durham to do that research. But it's also my understanding the VPAC,
that will be separate and apart. The fundraising will be --
MR. de VILLIERS: Correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- on their shoulders completely.
MR. de VILLIERS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And how interdependent is the
VPAC to your development if the funding cannot be realized?
MR. de VILLIERS: If funding cannot be realized by VPAC, is
that what you're saying?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, if.
MR. de VILLIERS: If. Then the option is to extend that village
over there into that area, especially the residential. I think there's
probably sufficient commercial space already there, which is
roundabout the 40,000 square feet which is called out in the present
designation, you know, for the PUD, sorry, document.
So what we will do there is simply more live/work units, which
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really should have happened in the lunar area, but the county,
unfortunately, sold that land to a guy that never followed the -- really
what was desired there was live/work situation, and I'm very much in
support of that and probably could also do that on the Shadley
property, which I think is low-rise, so that when you drive down
Bayshore Drive you can see the opera house or the VPAC center
across the lake.
There's also other options, for instance, floating tiny houses. That
just came to me the other day, and I think that's quite neat. But, you
know, it's got to be done in consultation with the county. We don't
want to reduce the impact. We want to increase the synergy by
bringing everything closer together and not scatter it. So that's --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And are you considering any
rentals?
MR. de VILLIERS: I think rentals will happen automatically.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I don't mean owner rentals. I
mean actual rentals where there's a management company.
MR. de VILLIERS: That is a possibility here. I would say I'm
very much in support of home ownership, and that will be certainly my
first push. But I think what happens sometimes is if there's a
management committee, say, like a condominium motel where you
have the management group that if you are not there or say, for
instance, you're a European and you come here and you're only here
for six months, you could put your unit back in a pool, and it becomes
available to be able to rent, especially visiting singers or performers or
artists or whatever.
So definitely there should be a management that controls the
rental situation. But I think it should be left to market forces. And,
you know, I could speak for a long time on the whole issue of
workforce housing.
One more thing on that issue. If the developers in Naples had
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really provided housing for the average Joe and Jane, we wouldn't have
this situation where we have to put a label on certain people and call
them workforce people. They are just here as a human being as we
are, and we should have provided that for them ages ago.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Are you providing for them in
this?
MR. de VILLIERS: Absolutely.
The reason that they are able to achieve low sale prices is by
reducing the area of units. That is a tendency right across the world
but especially in the U.S. I've had so many clients, you know, that live
in extreme opulence with kitchens they never cook in, views of the
bay, et cetera; fantastic lifestyle. But my heart was never in that.
You know, we can provide for them. Naples has always seemed
to have provided for those people and not looked after the people in the
service industry who have to carry the load, you know, clean their
windows and look after their kids, et cetera.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Thank you very much. I'm sorry we kept
you so much longer, but these were some good questions. Thank you.
MR. de VILLIERS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Next, Leo?
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
MR. DURHAM: Yes, ma'am. The next one is Harry Bandinel of
Banroc Forge.
MR. BANDINEL: Good afternoon, Board. For the record, my
name is Harry Bandinel with Banroc Corporation.
A little closer. There we go. Thank you. Again Harry Bandinel
with Banroc Corporation.
We have spent a significant amount of time analyzing this
property, the 17 acres. One of the first things I did was to look at the
challenges of the property. It has a lot of potential in the sense that it's
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this location next to the park.
And we tried to look and see what we could do to make the --
maximize the use of the property, and one of the things was to increase
the size of it, if you look at it. And can we put up the site plan, please.
It's 17 acres, but there's really only usable six acres. So one of the
first things we looked at was to include the Shadley property, if you
look at the diagram there. From the -- do you want me to go around
there and do it? I'll show you. We want to include the Shadley
property, which actually almost adds another two-and-a-half to three
acres to the property. Now we have a village that has a significant size
and impact. It also increases the frontage to the street by almost
double, and it allows better accessibility, and at the same time we can
connect the park better by having the entrance at the bottom, and then
we also have a big boardwalk going across to the park.
We did two options. One was directly addressing the ITN, which
was just on the 17 acres. When we studied this, we also thought, well,
the park is next door.
We're talking about having great connectivity, so why not try and
connect it? And our second option does that. It actually puts the -- if
you look here on the bottom, it puts the performing arts center into the
park. And then along with that, we had several other improvements
that are on the list that I gave you there. It really creates an
exceptional, we think, space for all of Naples, not just for Bayshore.
But this is a park and a facility that will work for everybody and be
game changing to the whole area.
Critical is the size of the village. If we have a village that's too
small where you don't have enough restaurants, if you just have one
restaurant, you're not going to get the critical mass of people getting
there to make an economic success.
And one of the key issues that we don't want to do in Bayshore is
build something that's too small that's not going to be an economic
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success. Part of trying to bring the whole Bayshore back up is to create
something that will have a significant mass.
So we have -- instead of one restaurant, we have six. Instead of
30 homes, we have 250, so we've really maximized the space, create
something that will have the synergy, and have enough volume to
really be a success as an economic unit.
We can do either. We could stay with the Option A and put the
performing arts center in the 17 acres; however, there's one big issue
that we need to look at there, and that is that the -- in order for the
PAC, the performing arts center, to be successful, it needs on its own
an endowment, additional endowment to the 40 or $50 million it's
going to cost to build it, probably have 10 to $15 million a year that's
got to come from somewhere.
The more flexible we can make that facility, the more likely it's
going to be successful. So by putting it in the park, we now have the
ability to do a lot more venues there. And one of them is we've put in
a 6,000-person what we call outdoor concert field where we can have
outdoor concerts, all kinds of outdoor events. That will help the
financial viability of the PAC, or the performing arts center.
Along with it, we've also added on the bottom of the park a little
island. We call it our events center. The idea there is that we can do
farmers markets on the weekend, have similar events like we do
downtown where we have art fairs and that sort of thing, have a special
facility just for that. Even that brings economic benefit to the village.
And we also include a plaza artist which, again, that's to increase
artists and all that's mentioned in there for artists and to promote local
art.
The next thing is the actual financial aspect of the project; that we
need to make sure it's not going to fail. And that is, I think -- again, I
can't stress enough the fact that we need to have a critical size for it to
work.
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Also -- from two sides, one is developers, we need to have
enough to have real estate that we can sell and market, and if half of it
is parking lots and we only have a really small village, it's not going to
work. So that's a critical component.
Do you want talk a little bit about your part?
Sure. Good afternoon, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I'm sorry we're talking. Excuse me.
MR. GALLAGHER: No, that's quite all right.
My name is Tom Gallagher. I'm a Principal with DLR Group.
We're specialists in design for the performing arts and housing
projects. We've done over 50 significant housing projects around the
country and over 200 performing arts projects around the world.
We are also the only fully integrated theater design firm in the
country where we have all of the disciplines in house: Theater,
technical, acoustics, audio/visual.
A couple projects of reference relative to this one is currently
we're involved in a project in Shanghai where we're designing four
theaters that are very complementary to each other, very similar to the
VPAC where is has a smaller theater component and a larger theater
component. High level of flexibility, you know, in that project.
We're involved with Schenkel Shultz, our architect of record for
this project, on an arts center in Sarasota, Players Theater, which is
comparable in scale to this project, about 70,000 square feet, currently
in design development, and we also just completed recently an
amphitheater in a county park outside of Syracuse, lake view
amphitheater, which is relevant because it's operating 24/7 as a county
park, and there's a lot of similarities with what you're doing, so I just
wanted to add those qualifications.
In terms of the design, following Harry's vision for the project,
we're very intentionally trying to create a high level of interest in the
volumes and the visual architectural language at the village, very
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similar to what Mr. Arno was saying, relative to creating places for
interaction and dining -- you know, waterside dining and shopping, but
also just an attractive place to be.
The idea is to create a place where people that -- with the critical
mass that Harry mentioned, a place that people will want to come to
just to see what's going on as opposed to knowing what they want to
do each time they come there.
I would also just want to mention that relative to arts in the park,
in many of our projects we see a high level of synergy, and in this
project that's particularly relevant. The park, obviously, whether it's
the 17-acre Option A configuration or the Option B where we engage
more fully the Sugden Park, the wellness and entertainment aspect of
the park is only enhanced by the arts being part of that, and we see that
being more and more around the country a key aspect of these arts
projects in order to make the arts a part of everyday life in the
community and not a special place on the hill that only a certain part of
your community goes to. To have the arts fully engaged with your
natural assets is, I think, very important.
And just relative to that point, I just wanted to show the image --
show this image relative to the way that we're anticipating connecting
to the parks. In Option A, our idea for the arts center is that it's
oriented to the north so that when you're traversing on the boardwalk
from the 17-acre site to Sugden Park, you have a full panoramic view
of that lobby of the arts center and, likewise, the people in the arts
center have a full panoramic view of the landscape before them.
That's even more enhanced in the Option B configuration where
the arts center is on the lake. We truly believe that that's going to make
Sugden Park a better version of itself and Sugden Park is going to
enhance the arts center.
Those are my main points.
MR. BANDINEL: Again, in closing, I think the important thing
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is to look at the -- we have an opportunity here to really create a
special location both as a private facility, which would being the 17
acres, and then to enhance the park and really use the park to create
something special. And given the larger scope of it, I think will be --
economically, it will have much more chance of being a success.
Lastly, I just want to mention about the VPAC. And there's been
some issues when we talked with the CRA about the ability to obtain
40 or $50 million to be able to fund the performing arts center. That's
a significant number.
There's two things. One, we've come up with a couple of
scenarios, and what I presented you this afternoon, it shows what we
could do if VPAC cannot raise those funds. We think we can, but
there's a possibility we can't. So what we don't want to have is a failed
project where now VPAC could not raise the funds, and we're sitting
there, what do we do?
So our suggestion is that we give VPAC 12 months to raise the
funds. We will help them with that any way we can. We can
concurrently plan the project just like it is. If VPAC is able to raise its
funds, great, we put the performing arts center either in the park or in
the 17 acres. If, for whatever reason they cannot, we can still proceed
with the project, and we would simply put our residential units into the
space where the VPAC would be.
It also allows us to maybe look at eventually still doing something
with the PAC in the park. I have met with Parks and Recreation. They
blessed -- kind of the idea they liked it, of having -- there is a precedent
for this, too. If we look at the Naples Zoo and also the children's
museum, those are both situations where a private entity put something
on the park based on, like, 99-year lease for some kind of token
amount.
If that were the case, too, lastly, Banroc would be willing to
provide about $500,000 of funding to the park for additional
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improvements to Sugden Park. So if we can pull it off, do it all, we
would do that. And I think we have a project here that will be of
significant difference.
Lastly, the benefit to the county from a tax point of view, we've
done a few estimates, the construction of the 17 acres will probably
provide about $1,500,000 in annual tax revenue, new revenue, create
2- to 300 employees. And if we do it in Sugden Park, we also
probably have another 4 to $5 million worth of tax from sales tax that
we would receive from businesses there.
So it's -- if we do it the right way, it looks like a big project. It
can be done. We've picked the best people that we have. You've seen
the team that's working with us. I think we can create a great job.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Thank you. Any questions?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: The rezone that we
accomplished on this piece of property already calls for how many
units?
MR. BANDINEL: Well, yeah. Your 40 units is that current base
zoning.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Four units per acre.
MR. BANDINEL: I think it's the whole -- no, it's the whole
PUD. It's 40 units plus the square --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Forty, I'm sorry.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, 40. One of the things we're doing by
adding the Shadley property, we're actually doubling the base density.
So the Shadley property has a base density of 40 units, so now we have
a base density of 80. Obviously, we're going to be asking the county to
increase the density to add approximately 2- to 300 units on the whole
property. It will fit very nicely. We'll have lots of open space. If you
look at the projections there, I gave you what we're looking at, so it
will fit. We'll still have a nice, open feel without -- you know, with the
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250 units.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And both proposals that were
presented to us basically were an autonomous development with a
performing arts next to it. And I like the approach of the phasing
projects where one's not interdependent; it's just a complement of the
other.
MR. BANDINEL: Well, that's exactly what we tried to
accomplish here; that we can phase it in different phases, and one's not
dependent on the other. It gives us that flexibility.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
MR. BANDINEL: And it is an issue, you know, to raise the 30,
40, 50 million.
One of the things I'd like to add, with the DLR group, who has
done performing art centers, they're doing the one in Sarasota, which is
just up the road, and they're working on that, and they've got that in
similar size, 75,000 square feet for $30 million, so we don't need 50-.
The skill that DLR has, their experience, we're able to create a very
nice facility for significantly less. So let's just say we can't raise 50
million the VPAC originally thought they would want for the
state-of-art facility, we can still do something very nice for 30 million,
which will help the opportunity there, too.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Any other questions? Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I have a question. You expect the
county to pay for the parking garages; is that correct?
MR. BANDINEL: No. What we're looking at, to take full
advantage of the property and to be realistic about having a nice village
and not having a bunch of parking lots that everybody looks at --
because if we have a parking lot one side and a parking lot in the back,
half the property's going to be parking lots, and that's a four- or
five-story parking lot.
I think we're going to get a lot of rejection from the community,
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because I've already seen that when I've been to meetings at the CRA
that, you know, next to small home you've got a five-story parking
garage; not going to look very attractive.
If half the front of the space is parking garage, it's not going to
look nice either. By putting them underneath, we do away with that. It
does cost a little bit more money, but it creates a lot of advantages.
People can go straight up on the elevator, go right up on the
mezzanine. You're not going to get wet. You don't have to walk very
far to the parking.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You misunderstood. I don't
object to parking garages. I'm just saying you expect the county to pay
for that?
MR. BANDINEL: No. We thought part of -- when we go to
final negotiation is to look at that. That cost is going to be significantly
more. So one of the things we could look at is seeing how the county
-- since we're going to create significant additional revenue for the
county, 5, $6 million a year in additional tax revenue, given the sizes
of the facility, more stores, more shops, six restaurants instead of one
-- but that's going to cost us more, so, yeah, we'd like to speak with the
county and see if they can help us in some way to fund some of that.
Not all, but some of it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But that's in your proposal.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, yeah, it's in the proposal.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Not only for that, but also for the
VPAC.
MR. BANDINEL: No, the VPAC, no. VPAC, that's -- funding
of that parking is separate. Depending on which of the two scenarios
we take, VPAC will either be parked underneath the performing arts
center on the 17 acres -- if we go into Sugden Park, we have the
advantage that we can park -- we do a separate parking garage right
across from it here, which would work a lot better.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But the parking garage itself for
VPAC, I thought I read that you also are --
MR. BANDINEL: No.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- hoping that the county pay for
that.
MR. BANDINEL: No. We're looking at just for the -- if that's
how -- it was mistaken. But we're looking basically to pay -- help for
the parking down here.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It does say it in the proposal
but, you know, I think at this stage we're in the -- we're going to get --
we're going to vote actual proposals and then view them individually.
But the proposal that they did submit suggested that the city and the
county --
MR. BANDINEL: Help with parking, yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- assist with the parking. You
didn't misread that, so...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And do you have firm financing?
MR. BANDINEL: You know, the financing -- this is a $100
million project if we do all this either way without the VPAC, okay.
Our -- the budgets we've put together, it's 60 to $70 million to build the
village, if we do it the right way. It's another 30, 40 million to do the
performing arts center.
So we have a series of sources -- I think I put a couple letters in
there -- that would commit to funding, but it depends on what the final
terms are in terms of the land cost, what you guys would contribute.
That could be done real quickly.
So we have the find -- to buy the land, that's available, but that's
just a small part of it. So we have to look at the whole thing.
You know -- and to purchase the land, three or four million.
That's not really an issue to raise the rest. And that's done in a lot
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different ways, different phases. And then obviously with VPAC, too,
we'd like to be involved with them to try and help them raise their
money.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just a quick question and then
a comment. In terms of the parking, you're going to have that all
underground. How many parking spaces -- and this would be just a
rough guess. Is it going to be two-level parking underground?
MR. BANDINEL: We have enough space, if we take the whole
-- if you look at the site, it's the north site here so this square here, we'd
have enough for about 350 parking spaces on one level, okay. And it's
all been calculated that we would have enough parking. So overall,
we'll have about 800 parking spaces as per our plan in the 17 acres, and
then --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Is that below grade or maybe
I'm mis --
MR. BANDINEL: No, no, that's ground level. All the parking's
going -- we're not going underneath. It's not going up. It's ground
level.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Underground is kind of wet.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, we can do it. I've had a project. You
can do that. I mean, we've done it, but it's more expensive still.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I just --
MR. BANDINEL: It's just one level, and what we'll do is around
the parking we're going to have storefronts all along the Bayshore so
that you're not going to see the parking. It's going to be totally hidden.
You're not going to see it in the village. So on all three sides you'll
have storefronts, and then behind that's the parking.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Madam Chair, in terms
of just a comment. Whichever way we go, I'm sure we'll be making a
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motion in terms of how to proceed. But my preference would be that
the VPAC would be on the Sugden property so you're enhancing the
size of the parcel.
And then you mentioned -- and this will show my ignorance, but
you mentioned the additional acreage that you would add to this.
MR. BANDINEL: The Shadley property?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. What's the ownership
of that?
MR. BANDINEL: The Shadleys own it. I have -- actually have
it under contract with them to purchase it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: You do have it -- okay.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah. So that's -- they're asking significant
money for that. It's a big expense. But one of the main advantages is
the frontage it would give us, additional space for the village that we
have to have to make this village economically viable. We're also to
say -- the whole front of the -- on Bayshore, it will totally change the
look, because we'll have one congruence. It's almost going to be 900
feet of street frontage instead of 400 that we have now.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, again, one last comment.
In terms of just the mass that's needed for this project, you know, the
idea of adding additional property to it and moving that VPAC to the
Sugden Park seems to me to be a real logical way to go with that, so...
MR. BANDINEL: One of the things -- a comment I wanted to
make, as far as the connectivity of the two, the comment that was made
about the performing arts center, if we put it in the park, being too far
from the village, it's exactly two street blocks. So that's a three-minute
walk. You go downtown, you park downtown, you walk two or three
blocks from the restaurant, the same thing here. So I don't think that
would have any impact. If it's pouring rain, you can drive from one
parking garage to the other, so that won't really be an issue.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So the parking for the homes would be
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there?
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, for homes also. We have two. If we
do all the homes -- if we do the -- the PAC in the park, we'll have more
parking, basically, for the village, because we're doing away with all
that space. We'll have some condos there. We're actually going to
have 80 units, so we'll have additional 80 living units that will be in an
affordable price range. We're looking at 1,200 -- 1,250-square-foot
condos that we're looking to sell in the 250 to 325 range.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: But they won't have a garage or anything?
They'll have --
MR. BANDINEL: They will. There will be -- no, they'll have
garages underneath, and then we have a parking garage, too. So they
have their own. There's two spaces. If you look at it here, we've got
the -- do you have the layout? We don't have that actually. It's on this
one here. It's kind of small.
Yeah, you can see it here. This is a sample of if we do away --
this is where the PAC would be. So if we take that away, we have four
buildings here with the condos. They're going to park underneath the
building and then also will be a parking garage here. And this could
also be additional parking for all this. And here we'll have the
underneath parking come in here. So you'll come in this way and
come out, but you won't see any of the parking. That's what's nice
about this. So you won't -- except for this parking garage here -- this
lot here, you won't see any of the rest.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You won't see any of the parking
from inside of the village?
MR. BANDINEL: Exactly, yeah, from inside the village or even
from Bayshore. You'll drive Bayshore. This will all be storage here,
and right behind will be the parking. So you'll have one row of -- I
mean, the street front will be stores or shops, and then right behind will
be the parking inside.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: But then what's facing interior to the
village, like the square?
MR. BANDINEL: The square here, the square is slightly raised.
It's going to be up above the parking, so it will be -- it's up on a deck,
which is also nice. It gives you a better view of the water. Part of
what we've incorporated here is to keep this whole view over this way.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. BANDINEL: Okay. And then this will be the parking. But
on the ground floor, all this will be stores all the way around here. So
the only where you'll see parking is back here where you come in.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. DURHAM: Commissioners, if -- Tim Durham, again. If I
just may interject. Something that may be material. You raised a very
good question, Commissioner Saunders.
That Shadley private property, there's an indication that they
would be willing to sell that to whoever the Board's ultimate winner is.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So you don't have it under
contract yet then?
MR. BANDINEL: I have -- well, I had it written under contract,
then when everything got delayed, the actual contract expired, but I
have a verbal contract with them, which is also legally binding, to
purchase it. Now, they've also said that there's other people that want
to purchase it. But, yeah, I had it under contract twice. Right now
we're not, but we have a verbal agreement that, yes, if we do, we'll put
it under contract.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So how much of the Shadley property is
water?
MR. BANDINEL: About a half. The Shadley property's 2.51
acres, and the water -- again, depending where you draw the water line,
but what's there is about an acre is water, and about an acre and a half
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is land.
And, again, the critical thing with them is we get the street
frontage, we add 300 square feet, so almost double the frontage on the
street, and also the density, that we get double the base density. That's
one of the key advantages there.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I want to get to our audience members.
How many people do we have, speakers?
MR. MILLER: I have one registered speaker for this item.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm just curious, what kind of, I
mean, price points and what kind of products are you going to be
offering?
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, okay. It's on the list there but,
basically, if we look at residential, we're going to have small lots, again
750 square feet --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, right.
MR. BANDINEL: -- two-bedroom. Price point 170, 180 starting
to 220, and then we look at our -- those will be lots that will be in the
village, which is in this part, the actual village component. The ground
floor or the main level of the village is going to be stores and shops,
restaurants. We've got six restaurants, four food shops. That's, again,
the critical mass that we need.
The restaurants will be -- that have outdoor terraces and stuff,
outdoor dining. It's all designed to be along the waterfront, so it will
be a nice experience to be there. And then we've got second floor;
we're talking about doing some 30 or 40 offices, small office spaces,
again, for the small businessperson that needs 500, 600 square feet as
an office, keep that affordable, rent it for maybe $1,200 a month,
$1,000 a month.
And then we're looking at the residences, if we do the condos on
the PAC property, those are 1,250 square feet. We're trying to keep
the price around 300, 275, 325, depending on the option, for
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1,250-square-foot condo.
So that's -- and we're talking about 280 units all told, with
residential.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Two hundred eighty units on how many
acres?
MR. BANDINEL: It's six acres. But remember, they're small.
So we're looking -- we're staying four floors. We're not going higher
than four floors on the whole thing. So between the village -- the
village has 120, and then we've got another 100 units in the -- you
know, what we call our residential condos, so...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: How much dredge and fill do you
have to do to site the VPAC on the lake?
MR. BANDINEL: Good question. You know, that's -- I mean, if
we keep the lakes as they are, which we'll try and do, that's how the
plans are drawn out, we shouldn't have too much because, remember,
if we do the VPAC on the 17 acres, we're going to park underneath,
right, which will also raise the VPAC, one of the things that I
personally am not that crazy about, because we're going to have a
pretty tall -- it's already 60, 70 feet just to have it work properly. So
that's, personally, one of the things I think, from a visual point of view,
it will be nicer to have the VPAC in the park.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Those napkins aren't part of the
design?
MR. BANDINEL: No.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. But how much dredge and
fill do you have to have to keep it in the park? When you see you put
it on the park or on the lake but you've got more than -- there's a green
area, and I can see there's a sandy area. And I'm looking at the visual.
MR. BANDINEL: Here? You talking about this one?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. I'm talking about what's in
the back.
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MR. BANDINEL: Oh, in the back here?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Option B.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah. Over here?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah. Well, this is -- if you know the park
now, that's basically just instead of shrub land, a bit of marsh and stuff.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Wetlands? They're called
wetlands.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, wetlands. So we'll have to go through
that. And then as far as fill, I mean, we'll dredge --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Have you gotten any indication
whether you even can go through that?
MR. BANDINEL: That's what we'll have to find out. I mean, we
know as far as -- there's no reason why we couldn't that we see. We've
looked at it. Is there any surprise? Yeah, that could happen.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. I just mean the agencies --
you know, the regulation agencies. We wetland -- we need wetland.
MR. BANDINEL: Yes, we need wetland, yeah. So we have to
look at that. I mean, that was originally -- Sugden Park was originally
set up as a residential development so, in fact, the Sugden family,
when they gave it to -- and, Tim, you might want to talk to that just
briefly.
Tim is our Engineer from Stantec who actually did the design
work for Sugden originally, and he's our engineer.
So, Tim, if you'd address that.
MR. HANCOCK: For the record, Tin Hancock with Stantec.
And I appreciate the credit for the design work, but the only credit I get
was accepting money from Herb and Margaret Sugden, $500,000 of
ROST and Purina stock in order to make the purchase of the land
possible back in the '90s. So that -- that was it; I accepted a check.
But I will tell you, we did do -- I was involved in sitting in a
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similar capacity to you today in the original design of Sugden Park.
The areas that are to the west, because they are more environmentally
sensitive in achieving the first phase of the park, were set aside.
If you look at your master concept plan under the existing zoning
for Sugden Park, those areas are designated for park use. So I will not
say there's anything that has precluded the future conversion of those
lands to active park use or for something similar to what's being
proposed here today.
We will be required to go through district and Corps permitting.
There will be environmental mitigation measures that have to be
applied there. And in order to determine that, what we'll need to do is a
preliminary environmental study, and that's a little bit of the cart before
the horse at this stage. But I think, should you choose to go forward
with this project, that's going to be one of the very early things we need
to do to determine the viability and the environmental impacts more
specifically.
At this point I do see some potential for wetland impacts and
off-site mitigation being required in order to proceed with Option B.
The extent to which that is practical and appropriate is still to be
determined.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Yeah, that's what -- okay,
good. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So how many units per acre? I'm still
stuck on this 250 units and six acres.
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah. Well, there's six acres of usable land.
There's 17 acres. And if we add the Shadley property, it's almost 20
acres of overall land.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Yeah, but so much of that -- half of it's
water though, right?
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, half of it's water, exactly; more than
half, yeah. We have basically six -- a little over six acres of real
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usable. If you take away some of the littoral areas, a little bit more. So
it's about eight acres that the 17 acres is that's usable. But you've got to
back off from that what you can use. So usable, we have about six, six
and a half. And then we've got an acre and a half of usable in the
Shadley. So we have about eight usable acres.
And we've measured it out. We've done all that, the number of
square feet. And we're looking at -- the village has about 80,000
square feet on its base. If you take this space here, the piece -- this
square here, that's about 80,000. It's 400 by 400. So about 160,000
square feet. We'd have half of that covered. The rest would be open
space. And if you look at the plan, you can see that squares we have
and the walkways and all that still pretty open.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So how many -- how many units per acre
are you building for 250 homes?
MR. BANDINEL: Well, we're looking at 12. If we have 20
acres divided by --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Twenty acres?
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah. The total land area is 20 -- if we add
the Shadley property, it's 20 acres; 17 and a bit plus two-and-a-half of
the Shadley's. So overall land is just under 20 acres. Divide that by --
if we do 250 units, we're at -- where are we?
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So you're putting 250 units actually on
about four acres, because you're building a --
MR. BANDINEL: No, no. We're not going to --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: They've got to build the --
MR. BANDINEL: If we do the PAC, we're going to have less
units. If we do the PAC, we're only going to have 120 residential
units. If we do the -- you see what I mean? In other words, if we put
the PAC on the 17 acres, we're going to lose 80 units at least because
we're not going to put any homes on there, any condos.
MR. HANCOCK: Harry, if I can interrupt, I may be able to
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clarify this.
What you're looking at is a gross density because as you know
when we deal with zoning, we deal in gross density, so approximately
15 units per acre for the site itself. So it's not an unheard of density
when we look at other multifamily projects.
What makes this a little bit unique is in many cases the smaller
unit sizes allow it to be more along the mixed-use approach side as
opposed to a standalone residential project where your units typically
are larger.
So -- but in the end you're talking about a gross density of
approximately 15 units to the acre for the project. Yes, it's a smaller
footprint, but we're also trying to respect the lake areas and build those
into the overall design of the project instead of impacting those
negatively.
MR. BANDINEL: Again, the smaller units is the key
component. Instead of having an average 15- 1,600-square-foot home,
we're talking about 750 to 1,200. And that does two things. It gives us
more space. It also allows us to provide affordable homes. That's the
only way you can do it. That's one of the key components --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: But how affordable? Do you know this
area's trying to dig itself out --
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah, exactly. That's what we're saying, 180-
to -- you know, I mean, your affordable guideline is 250- is an
affordable home in Naples, and we're looking at providing from 180-
to maybe 300-, so we're kind of right in the middle of that. We'll have
some product at 180-, 190- and then quite a few in the 250s. So that all
even falls into with your affordable actual, you know, guidelines.
That's part of what we're trying to do.
And I think the product we're creating is specifically for people.
There's so many people that would love a small place, single mom,
single dads, people that work in offices all over town. You can go into
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any office and you'll see there's people there, oh, I'd love to have just a
small place that I can live, and I'm a single mother, I'm a single dad.
You know that, right?
CHAIRMAN FIALA: That's good. That's good. Okay.
Does anybody else have any questions before we move on?
Because I didn't want to belabor this any further.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Now, what -- thank you very
much.
MR. BANDINEL: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: And we've got a speaker?
MR. MILLER: Yes, ma'am. We have one registered public
speaker, Patricia Young.
MS. YOUNG: Good afternoon. Exciting just to be the only
speaker. But this is a lot of exciting information we've heard today,
and I know you already know about the CRA and how they're
endorsing this.
I just thought you might want to be interested in what do the
neighbors think. I live at the Isles of Collier Preserve, and all the
people I've spoken to there are so excited about having a cultural and
performing arts center in the CRA area. We think that it will elevate
the area to a degree that nothing else probably could, and it will carry
on the artsy kind of vibe that's already going on there. And, believe
me, the people at the Isles are frequently patronizing the businesses
and any other amenity that's in the area.
I'd also like to say that the idea of connectivity with the already
existing amenities in the area like the Sugden Park is such a dynamic
thing, and I think this is going to be a boom to the county, not just to
the CRA area or the Isles of Collier Preserve.
So thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Tim, is there anything else that you want
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to talk to us about?
MR. DURHAM: No, ma'am. I think that pretty much covered it.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'm making a joke with
Commissioner Saunders. Forgive me.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'm distracting you. Forgive
me.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I'm sorry. Would you say that again,
please.
MR. DURHAM: No, ma'am, nothing further to add. Just looking
for the Board's direction.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay, fine. So from here, where do we
go? Do we want to choose one or the other or ask you to get quotes
from either one or both of them or bids or whatever? I don't know
what to do from here.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm just curious, I mean, what is the
staff looking for? You're looking for us to choose one or the other or --
MR. OCHS: No, sir. You have the flexibility to direct us to one
developer or the other where then we would look to do continued due
diligence and negotiation and bring back a more specific project
recommendation, or you can -- under the law, you can allow us to
negotiate with both simultaneously and then bring you back what we
believe is the best project. You have a lot of flexibility there.
We're just looking to see if you like one over the other or, as
Commissioner Saunders mentioned earlier, whether you prefer the
performing arts center to be in one location versus the other so we have
a little bit guidance as we move forward.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: You know, and when we were
-- when I was going through the agenda packet, I was thinking, well,
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we have two firms; we should sort of sit down with both of them. But
I think in the real world that makes it very difficult for both of them if
you're trying to negotiate with both. I think the best decision is to pick
one.
My preference is Banroc. I thought their presentation was
excellent. The first presentation was very good as well, but I think this
second presentation meets the needs, seems to be more viable, and just
from the appearance of it and the team they have, just an excellent
project. I'd like to see the VPAC in Sugden Park as part of whatever
motion we ultimately make.
But I would recommend that we pick one, we negotiate with the
one, and my preference would be Banroc with the VPAC in the park.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I agree. I think the best thing to do
would be pick one and move forward. I also think that you have to
have a critical mass in order to make one of these things viable. And
so I like the idea of moving the performing arts center to Sugden Park.
It ties it all together. It provides some more, you know, critical mass
with the additional property where the performing arts center would
be. And I guess some of the unknowns are, can -- is it Shandley, the
Shandley property?
MR. OCHS: Shadley.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Shadley property. Can that be put
under contract again to make it part of the whole? But I like the idea
of tying this into the park and making that an overall development. I
think that's a great idea.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: You know, I should have been more
thoughtful. I'm so sorry. I didn't ask what the CRA board wanted to
do. Do we have any mention from the CRA board as to how they feel
about this?
MR. DURHAM: Yes; yes, ma'am. The two advisory boards
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wanted both of these projects to come forward for your review.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So in other words, if they wanted both of
them to come through -- because my preference is the first one. How
-- but that's just one person, of course. If they wanted to hear both,
what, do they negotiate with both of them and then come out with a
recommendation once they've negotiated with both? I don't know how
that --
MR. DURHAM: Yeah, under the ITN, which is something
somewhat new, but it's something that the Procurement Director, Mr.
Coyman, brought to us. It gives you the ability to enter into negotiation
with both parties to see if you can get concessions that are more
favorable for the county.
But, clearly, you know, if you have one project you prefer over
the other, that helps staff. We'll probably spend less time spinning our
wheels and getting right into things. Our goal all along is to kind of
replicate what we were able to do at the Triangle property, which is
moving forward very nicely.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Commissioner Taylor should be
next, and then you, okay?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I like the Arno. I am concerned
about the suggestion, whether it's gentle or direct, that the county pay
for the parking garages, which is the second one.
I am a little concerned about taking parkland and putting
buildings on it for obvious reasons.
I feel that the financing is critical. We don't have commitments,
we don't go forward. There's no waiting six or eight or 10 months until
someone comes to us and said, can't do it, which is what we went
through before with the Triangle.
So be very circumspect of that. That, to me, is the bottom line.
There's no finance -- no matter how beautiful and how creative these
ideas are, if it can't be financed, we're spinning our wheels, so that is
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critical. And I don't know -- I'm not an expert in this, I don't know
how you determine that, but I'll leave it to your capable hands.
MR. DURHAM: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, yes. I concur with my
colleagues on some and some not. And imagine that. I'm used to
being the Lone Ranger.
But I do concur with the Sugden Park aspect of the proposal. I
think that that should be integrated into this project, and I think -- but
at the same time it needs to be held separate so that we're not
predicating one on the other because there's different funding sources
that are coming.
And the county's assistance with the utilization of that land and a
long-term lease, I think, enhances the project at Sugden Park
enormously and also feeds well into the development side of the
17-acre tract.
I personally think -- I've seen both proposals, but I don't see -- in
30-plus years in the real estate business, I don't have sufficient
information to discern one project's viability over another specifically
from a financial standpoint. One's making representations of certain
government assistance and another is not. And I think until we
actually go to contract and, Commissioner Taylor, typically how -- I'm
trying to look at you while I'm talking to you, but --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I've been through this before.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. You voiced a concern,
but you go into --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I was outvoted.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: About?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: When this happened.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Ah, yes. That was before. But
what was before is no more. We're going forward.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You get written proposals from
both of the proposers, we analyze those from a financial standpoint,
and then go to a refundable deposit to a nonrefundable deposit with
securitization for the overall transaction, and we analyze those side by
side.
I have read both of these proposals. They both seem like
admirable proposals, but I haven't been able to make a sufficient
determination to pick one or the other. If I had to pick one today, to
say it out loud, I would pick the first one, Arno, over the other one.
But I'm not against the second one by any stretch of the imagination. I
just -- I think it would be prudent for us to direct staff to go back, bring
us two side-by-side written proposals with deposits and the like.
If you read the proposals, basically, we're selling this 17 acres to a
developer predicated upon zoning and, ultimately, permitting and the
like in order for them to develop this. After we make this transaction,
after we make this decision, it's going to be up to them about their
successes or not as the case may be.
So, personally, I would, just as a brief repeat, I would suggest that
we move both of the proposals forward to a greater level of specificity
and dictate that the Sugden Park -- I think we're all on consensus on
that, that Sugden Park be utilized as the performing arts portion
wherever --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I'm not in. I'm not there, so don't include
me in that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Forgive me. I thought I
heard you say that, so...
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Did both of them want to buy -- the only
one I heard that wanted to buy the property was Sarno -- or Arno,
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right, but not the second guy.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, no, they both proposed --
MR. DURHAM: No. Both were talking purchases.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: They both want to buy them?
MR. DURHAM: Yes, ma'am. Yes.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay, okay. Now, here's one of the things
I was thinking about as far as moving the performing arts center to the
other side of the street. One of the things I learned with the pickleball
-- I know this sounds silly, but anyway, with the pickleballers, they're
located in the smallest park we have in Collier County, and that's right
over there at East Naples Community Park. And they get bigger and
bigger. And I said -- and I know our guys have been trying to talk to
them and go to other parks that are bigger and have more parking.
No, we like it right here.
Yeah, but you should go out and have a bigger park.
They said they like the fact that the synergy is created when
you're all on this smaller property.
I would never thought of that myself and, just possibility, that
could be the same thing. Like, for instance, with -- it's the Phil. What
is it now -- Artis Naples where they're involved with the shopping
center and the restaurants right close by and everything. And I think
that there is a synergy that's created. That's my opinion. Again -- and
I'm only basing it on what I know about the pickleballers.
But I like the first guy that presented. He seemed to have a lot of
knowledge, a lot of background. That was good. He seemed to have
the money. That was a good thing, and -- but whatever you all want to
do. If you want to hear from both of them, fine, if you want to hear
from one or the other, or somebody make a motion.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I mean, you know, personally, I
actually like the first one, the design of the first one but --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Now we see.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- but I'm concerned, though, that the
more mass you have on something like this, the more likely it's going
to be successful. I mean, that's just the reality of the way these things
work. I mean --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Tell me what you mean by "mass."
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Vertical mixed use is difficult. It's
been difficult everywhere. It's been difficult in the Mercato. It's been
difficult everywhere.
So to make that -- to make the commercial aspect of -- it's usually
one or the other; either the residential works and the commercial
doesn't, or the commercial works and the residential doesn't.
To make them both work together, you really have to have
enough people there, mass. I don't want to use the word "density"
because people don't like that word. But you have to have that -- you
know that critical mass -- that's why I was using that -- to make it all
work.
And I'm just concerned -- if we're wanting to make sure that it's
successful, I think the more people there the more likely it is that it's
going to be successful.
I mean, I'd be open to telling staff to move forward and do some
more due diligence with both of them, because there are a lot of
unknowns on both of these projects. I mean, you know, there's the
environmental issues with the park, there's -- I mean, there's a lot of
unknowns on either way.
So I would be open to moving them both forward and having staff
look at both of them.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. Well, I'll go along
with the majority in working with both of them. My preference still is
with the second one, because I think it's -- with the seven restaurants
and all, but that's something we can deal with later.
So, Mr. McDaniel, if you'll make a motion --
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Please do.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- that includes the VPAC at
Sugden, you're not going to get a unanimous vote necessarily. I just
think you'll get a majority.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: When we go to discussion, I'll
ask her why she doesn't like it in Sugden, but we'll get to that in a
minute.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And direct staff to work with
both providers, I'll go along with that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'll make that motion, to
work with both providers to provide us with a more concise financial
analysis about requests of government subsidation deferrals.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: You don't have to go through that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Am I wearing you out?
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Sorry. I'll make a
motion that we go forward with both proposals and come back to us
with -- including both proposals with the performing arts center in the
Sugden Park facility.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: That's a good thing. Can we have some
kind -- I've talked to a few of the people in the CRA who had a
preference, by the way. Would they be able to give their preference
when this is --
MR. DURHAM: Oh, absolutely. They can -- sure, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay, good. Because I think -- you know,
they're the ones that live there. They're the ones that pay the CRA.
Nobody else does. And so they should have a say in it, is my opinion
anyway.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So as a matter of conversation,
why are you not as thrilled with the performing arts being over on the
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park side as opposed to -- because the --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Synergy, just for the synergy.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, then -- and it's been
shown, and I'm just talking. Per my understanding, the performing arts
center's only less than a couple blocks away from the actual
developable piece of land and that, as Commissioner Solis so aptly
pointed out, the more mass -- not density, but the more mass that you
have on your developable property, the greater opportunity for a
successful project and a greater rate of return and success.
And my perception is that folks that weren't necessarily living in
this particular village would still be able to access the performing arts
center from Sugden Park itself. It wouldn't be exclusionary to the
residents of all of Collier County that could necessarily come in from
Sugden Park, if I'm not mistaken.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: That part of Sugden isn't easy to get to.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, I know. It's in the back 40.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So do you build two parking garages? Do
you build one --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, we'll decide all that.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: -- for the performing arts center and
another one for where they're shopping? But, of course, that splits them
then, because now the people that are coming there will get in their car
and go home.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We'll decide all that.
(Multiple speakers speaking.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: There's more synergy.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, there's -- you know, a park
is, for me -- this park is not a passive park, but it's as close to a passive
park as we have. And to put an 80-foot building in a passive park is
probably not the appropriate place, and that's what it's going to be. It's
going to be a massive --
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: To be determined.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- building, and I think -- I can't
remember his name, but I have a -- I think -- I don't remember his last
name, but I think AJ would have a lot of fun with his Ski-Doos and
doing loop de loops and everything. And -- I don't know. It's just not
appropriate there.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Well, we've got a motion on the
floor, and we have a second, and that is to move forward and get
quotes from both of them and getting approval through the CRA board
and bringing that back to us.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: With the VPAC in the park.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Pardon me?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: With the performing arts
center in the park.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: In the park.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That was part of the motion.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Oh, only that part? You don't want it out
of the park?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don't.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I don't.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's the motion. It may not
pass, but that's the motion. So that staff has some direction in terms of
--
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: The CRA, Madam Chair -- the
CRA's going to have an opinion again as we go through. It's not part
of the motion that the CRA --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Has to have --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- have to voice an opinion.
They're going to. As we get these proposals, this will go back through
those committees, I would assume, before it comes to us.
MR. DURHAM: Yeah. And it was already -- they've seen both
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proposals. But this is very helpful, because what if you hadn't liked
either of the projects. So knowing that there's an interest and where
you're inclined, it helps us go back, do more due diligence and come
back with you with something more particularly financially and some
of the impacts that are likely to take place. So it's all good.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. And Mr. -- I know it isn't Mr.
Arno. Mr. de --
MR. DURHAM: De Villiers.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: De Villiers.
MR. DURHAM: De Villiers.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: He's right behind you. Maybe he has
something to say. You can't talk from there, I'm so sorry. But we need
to make it quick. We're really taking an awfully long time here.
MR. de VILLIERS: What I understand you're saying is that I
shall now come with the proposal to put the VPAC center in the park.
There's no way I'm going to do that. It doesn't belong in it park. It
belongs with the village, right? So I'm not coming with a new
suggestion to build it in the park. I was never asked in the first place.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. No, no. I don't think that's
what -- that's not what the -- I mean, there's two proposals. One has it
in the park and one doesn't, and I think --
CHAIRMAN FIALA: No. What did Commissioner Solis --
Commissioner Saunders say?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: My motion specified that the
performing arts center be in the park. But I full well understand that --
you know, my intention was to bring back both proposals, view them
independent of one another, because I have a preference of seeing it
over in the park. I think it could be an enhancement, but I really didn't
give due consideration to what Commissioner Taylor had expressed
with regard to --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The height.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- enormity of that. So if --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll withdraw my second if you
want to fashion a new motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll make a motion that we
accept proposals from both of the proposers with more specificity and
bring them back to us for a final decision.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Just a minute now. Just a minute,
please. Is there a second to this particular motion?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Now --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: But we do have a comment.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Now, Mr. Bandinel?
MR. BANDINEL: Yeah. I'd like to make two clarifications.
One, when the CRA voted on the last meeting, there were six votes in
favor of Mr. Arno's project and seven of seven votes in favor for my
project. I think that's public record.
Two, please note my proposal, it's either or. We can do the
17-acres only, but look at the village that I am proposing which has the
critical mass that Mr. Arno's does not. We can still put the PAC -- I'm
not saying we cannot put it in the 17 acres.
So there's two proposals there that you can look at and analyze
either or.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Well, that's --
MR. BANDINEL: Just to clarify that. I want you to understand
that I'm also looking at doing the ITN which specifically said that we
would have only on the 17 acres, so we can still do the village, but
mine is including the Shadley property so that we have a village that
has a critical mass and will be a success financially for the community.
The proposal that Mr. Arno has, I think you're going to have an
issue with the village being too small.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. Thank you very much.
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And, Tim?
MR. DURHAM: And just one last clarification. I think I can
maybe bring some closure to this.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Please.
MR. DURHAM: One, we need to know what the VPAC people
would like to do, because maybe they have a strong preference one
way or the other. So that's something we can nail down during the due
diligence piece.
Number two, with the ITN, these two proposals were not ranked.
The instruction to the advisory board was to forward to the BCC
without ranking who you want us to enter into negotiations with. So I
just kind of want to clarify that.
So given Mr. Arno is not in favor of putting it in Sugden, I'd
suggest leave it as is. We will look at the other two options from the
other proposal, the Banroc, and we will dig into financial wherewithal,
the practicality of each proposal, and costs, the TIF that it would likely
generate, taxable value, all that sort of stuff.
Didn't want to go through that exercise not even knowing if the
Board was favorable or not. So I recommend doing all that and then
coming back to the BCC.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: From both of them, you're saying?
MR. DURHAM: Yes, ma'am, yes, as presented.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: With Arno's, leave it where it is, I didn't
know what that meant. I wanted -- I mean, I can hear what you're
saying, but what did "leave it as it is" mean?
MR. DURHAM: As presented.
MR. OCHS: We're going to analyze all three of the proposals
completely and bring them all back to you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And that's what the motion
basically covers.
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MR. OCHS: Yes, that's exactly what it covers.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Good.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That made me tired.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: That meeting is closed.
MR. DURHAM: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, it's time for a break, I think, quickly,
for your court reporter.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. So how about --
MR. OCHS: Ten minutes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- ten minutes.
MR. OCHS: Then we'll come back for the business accelerator
item.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, you have a live mike.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you, County Manager Ochs. I
think we're at our one o'clock time-certain at a quarter to three.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am. We're onto our one o'clock, so we're
gaining on it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you so much for your patience.
Item #11C
APPROVAL OF THE ANNUAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN
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ECONOMIC INCUBATORS, INC. AND THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN CONTINUED SUPPORT OF
THE ESTABLISHED PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP
DESIGNED TO ADVANCE THE COUNTY’S ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS – MOTION TO APPROVE THE
CONTRACT W/CHANGES TO THE DELIVERABLES AS
DISCUSSED, QUARTERLY REPORTS AND A MEMBER OF
THE EII TO REPORT TO THE BOARD ON REGULAR BASIS –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11C is our one o'clock time-certain. This is a
recommendation to approve an annual agreement between Economic
Incubators, Incorporated, and the Board of County Commissioners for
the operation and management of the Collier Business Accelerator
program.
Commissioners, the contract you have before you is a document
that includes some exhaustive discussions between the county staff, the
staff of the EII and their board, and the Clerk of the Court's office. I'd
like to thank Mr. Brock in particular and Ms. Kinzel and their staff for
working so closely with us over the last few weeks.
As you recall, this item was on previously. Commissioner
Saunders had asked to continue it to allow for some additional
analysis, and I think as a result of that, we have a contract document
now that contains very specific contract deliverables. I believe it's a
contract that is very auditable from a prepayment audit standpoint and,
as I mentioned, has some specific performance metrics that we will be
able to analyze on a weekly, monthly, or quarterly basis from a staff
perspective.
So I would like to turn the podium over to Dr. Marshal Goodman,
the Executive Director of the accelerator program, to make a few
remarks.
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DR. GOODMAN: Good afternoon, Madam Chair, board
members. For the record, I'm Marshal Goodman. I'm the CEO and
President of Economic Incubators, Inc.
I would like to start our presentation by calling up Mr. Fred
Pezeshkan, who is the Chair of the Economic Incubator's Inc. Board.
MR. PEZESHKAN: Good afternoon, and it's a pleasure to be
here after a multi-million-dollar for-profit project that you just went
through. This is a non-profit project.
Good afternoon. Madam Chair, Commissioners, my name is Fred
Pezeshkan. I have been a resident of Collier County for the past 38
years. I chair Economic Incubator, Inc., called EII, and our board of
directors, whom some of them are here today. I would like to
acknowledge them and ask them to stand. Please. Thank you.
We also have had a number of our volunteers and the companies
who have been in housing with us here. Some of them have left. So if
there's any of them here, I would like them to stand to be
acknowledged. Thank you.
You have received a complete presentation of our organization;
many pages. We decided that we would make this presentation short,
maybe 10, 15 minutes.
We will begin by Dr. Goodman to share with you a brief history
of this organization, where it started, where it is today, and give you
some of our achievements in the past three years.
That will be followed by Fred Krieger, he will provide our
financial performance; and then Richard Grant, our Vice Chairman,
will share our plan of action, the steps we are going to take to move
forward with the organization.
EII is a young organization with a staff of two and a half or three.
And although we may challenge -- we may have challenges, we learn
as we go and have high expectations.
In the past six months our board of directors, especially our
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executive committee, has put many, many hours. Richard Grant,
Garrett Richter, JP Garnier, Dr. Goodman, and myself have spent
many hours to bring to -- bring and to fine tune and comply with all the
requirements by the county and the Clerk. By no means do we
consider our organization or a board in a state of perfection, but it is
our expectation and understanding that EII is on the right track.
Finally, speaking for myself as a parent, I'm pleased that assets
like this in Naples, the accelerator, are around so my children and my
grandchildren, when they graduate from college, they can come back
to Collier County where they can begin and pursue their dreams.
Thank you. And with that, I would like to turn it back to Dr.
Goodman.
DR. GOODMAN: Thank you.
I'd like to briefly present to you some background information for
context and then summarize what we see as some of our
accomplishments.
The concept for Collier County and Southwest Florida's first
business accelerators grew out of a series of discussions and meetings
with county administrative officials, the Greater Naples Chamber of
Commerce, County Commissioners, and a wide variety of discussions
with regional university officials, business service organizations like
SCORE, interested business and community groups, and economic
development agencies like the Southwest Regional Planning Council
where we were informed that the development of business incubators
was an important goal of the region CEDS, which stands for the
Comprehensive Economic Development Strategy.
The research that laid the basis for those business incubator goals
and recommendations were substantially based on research performed
by Florida Gulf Coast University faculty and staff.
Through a white paper, a business plan, and with the adoption of
this board's approval of the 2014 Collier County Economic
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Development Plan, the program of launching two business
accelerators, one in the western part of Collier County, which we've
called the Naples Accelerator, and one in the eastern part of the county,
the Florida Culinary Accelerator at Immokalee, came into being.
To date these accelerators have received broad acceptance from
the community as well as financial support from the State of Florida
through legislative appropriations and financial support from federal
government agencies through highly competitive grant programs, and
we've received terrific support from the University of Florida who has
committed to a one FTE hire for the food science lab.
In all, we have strived to build accessible state-of-the-art creative
environments where individuals feel empowered to share their
business goals and dreams and create new businesses and jobs for
citizens.
Cissy Proctor, executive director of the Florida Department of
Economic Opportunity, even toured the facility on May 9th, 2016, and
said to our own Naples Daily News, quote, this is all pretty impressive.
There's nothing else quite like it in the state, unquote.
And wait until she sees Immokalee. We have scheduled an open
house of the business office on November 29th with the opening of the
culinary operation in early January.
To date, 68 innovation -- 68 innovation companies have been
members. Those companies have reported to us through their CEO,
CFO, or their CPA that they have raised 12.2 million in venture
funding and created 50-plus jobs.
I know that officials in the Economic Development Office led by
Jace Kentner and staff from the Clerk of the Courts are reviewing that
information to make sure what the companies have reported is accurate
and documented, and we welcome that.
We have sent to the county as part of our submission for this
review profiles of the companies we have had as members. And I
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think it's worth noting the tremendous overall innovation, and I
underscore that word "innovation," taking place among them for our
pharma or medical device companies.
One has a new drug to fight obesity and diabetes, one has an
over-the-counter test for Type II diabetes years before its onset, and
one whose application is still pending has an over-the-counter test for
the rapid diagnosis of an acute heart attack. Think about that;
over-the-counter test for an acute heart attack coming out of Naples,
Florida.
And while we are talking about health, we have had two fitness
magazines and a syndicated fitness radio show, and one of our
companies has developed a fitness trainer mobile application so you
can connect with a personal trainer who's located anywhere in the
world. And one of our companies is working on bringing to market a
micro hearing aid that is implanted in your ear.
Several are IT companies from providing connections to wireless
devices, think the Internet of things, to provide web designs that are
ADA compliant so those suffering from one of 40 different disabilities
can utilize and interact with web pages with no problems, to
companies, one which goes by the name Hyper Team that tailors
business software to the needs of small business, to a home healthcare
company providing nursing services for homebound individuals, as
well as a company that has raised millions of dollars here on Marco
Island to develop highly sophisticated Internet and data security
systems.
One company, Local Greens, is seeking to build a $7 million
high-tech greenhouse that will cover two-and-a-half acres and has 16
individual hydroponic growing lines that uses 95 percent less water
resources to grow over that of traditional growing methods.
One of the key goals of this effort from the very beginning was to
help diversify our economy away from the traditional three-legged
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stool of agriculture, tourism, and construction.
I believe when one reviews the work and accomplishments of
these 68 companies in just several short years, it is clear they are hard
at work charting new opportunities for our citizens.
With that review, I'd like to introduce Fred Krieger, who serves as
a community volunteer. Fred has had a notable career as a CFO in the
pharmaceutical industry. And I want to thank JP Garnier, who's still
here. JP, some of you may know, was the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline,
just about the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world. And Fred
here served at GSK for 25 years in a number of senior financial
positions, and we are very lucky to have Fred on board.
MR. KRIEGER: Thank you, Marshal. Two Freds in the same
meeting. You're lucky.
Anyway, for the record, Fred Krieger. I am a Licensed Certified
Public Accountant, member of the Florida Institute of Certified Public
Accountants, the New Jersey Society of Certified Public Accountants,
and the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants.
Been blessed. I am the founding CFO of Iroko Pharmaceuticals,
which is in Philadelphia. I spent 25 years with GlaxoSmithKline,
many years with Dr. Garnier, and we built up a pretty big
pharmaceutical company.
The second career, after I failed retirement 10 years ago --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's pretty big.
MR. KRIEGER: It's not quite that big yet, but we'll get there.
But I'm retiring at the end of the year, so Dr. Garnier said I needed
something to do. So he asked me to get involved, and it's been a very
interesting experience. So I've been involved for about two months.
When I first got involved, they loaded me up with piles of
financial information. And I know, like, with JP it was, don't give me
data. Give me information. It was data. So I had to make it into
information.
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So the first thing I did, I said, how are you going to run this thing?
You know, you've got money, you're collecting money, you look like
you're making money, but how do you line the businesses? So I
wanted to show you one of the first things I did was come up with
what we call the lines of business.
So when I looked at it, it was pretty straightforward. You have
very -- you have Economic Incubators, Incorporated, and you have
operating divisions. You have the Naples Accelerator which, if you've
ever done there, it's really pretty cool stuff. And this stuff's starting to
really grow. Naples doesn't have a lot of it. In Philadelphia, we've got
these "we work" facilities. These are billion dollars companies now.
But then I said -- so you've got Naples Accelerator. They rent
office space. You can come here and work, you can use the Wi-Fi,
you can get advice and build a business.
Then there's this Florida Culinary Accelerator in Immokalee.
Very interesting. And it's very scientific. They've, as far as I can --
because the food business is not much different than the drug business;
you've got to do it right. You don't want to be hurting people. So
that's what they've done here. The USDA has been involved,
University of Florida; they have scientists there.
And so -- and then you have the small, little operation called
Woodstock's where you can get something to eat and something to
drink. All self-service. Kind of state of the art. But that's still
growing, and that's small.
So we put it in that context. Okay. So let's take all the financial
data, and let's accumulate it. What does the actuals look like? So we
could see, you know, how much business do you do here? How much
do you get? What are the costs?
So then we started driving into revenue drivers. So where do you
get revenue in Naples? Well, you rent an office, you rent a half office,
you rent a chair, you rent space. You rent -- so let's monetize that.
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We did the same thing with the culinary institute. How are you
going to generate revenue? Well, I rent workstations, I rent refrigerator
space, I rent freezer space, storage. How much can you get for that?
How many are there? How much are they going to be used?
Then you look at, well, okay, if they start getting culinary
catering, they pay you a commission because you helped them get
there, so then we took all these things, and then we monetized them.
And that's how we've built up the budget for '18, and that's how
we've built up the plan for the rest of the year.
So I want to show you that next. It's in the -- it should be in the
contract. All those budgets are in there. And there's pretty robust
models I built behind that stuff; the cost. There's a compensation
model when the people come on board, whether they get paid, what do
you pay them for this, and then there's a revenue model that says the
things I said.
You rent -- you've got eight stations eight hours a day, five days a
week, 250 -- or $25 an hour. If they're going to be busy 10 percent the
first year, you know; wanted to be conservative. And then it's going to
grow. But that's how we built all this.
Let me show you the long-range plan.
Now, the first step we said, we've got to -- the first thing we said,
we need to stop using county money. We need to start becoming a
not-for-profit that is self-sufficient, so that's where this is going first.
So you can see we have a 50 percent reduction in county funding over
this four-year period. Well, okay, now you've got a hole.
So then we said, well, how much can we drive these businesses?
How much can -- the facility at Naples is fixed. You're only going to
be able to drive that so much. Your occupancy rate has to go up, but
you can't put more offices in there.
Same thing with Immokalee. You can -- you can -- right now we
can -- it's sized pretty good for the future, and then we calculated what
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that could be. So that was the business income.
Then we said, okay, well, donations. There's a lot of money in
Naples, and we can start driving some contributions from people that
want to see development in Naples. These jobs that are created, $12
million worth of investment into the community, that's pretty good. I
mean, this is the first time -- I've only been involved for two months.
I've been in the very profitable pharmaceutical industry for a long time,
35 years. So this was very interesting. But it can be driven. I started
this little company, Iroko Pharmaceuticals, 10 years ago. Borrowed a
ton of money and developed better drugs for pain, not opioids. I won't
get into the opioid thing. But we've got drugs that are better than
opioids, and they're not addictive.
So then we said, okay, that's our revenue for this period. I think
the '18 numbers generating a million dollars worth of revenue from the
county and from business is pretty conservative. I used very low
occupancy rates. And then the expenditures, we have specific
categories where we -- and I can show you those next. I won't get into
too much detail in the budget, I promise.
But the county funds, where -- there are specific places we can
spend those, the compensation, the rent on the facility, and Immokalee.
The business income, built up from the bottom. What are you paying
for utilities, what are you paying for office supplies? So that -- I'll take
you through a little bit of that. So you see there is some rigor around
this stuff.
Apologies for the eye chart. But you can see in the top section
where the source is. So the top section are the members' income, then
we have private investment next year. This is just split by the lines of
business, and then it should be in your -- that budget pack, I hope. And
then you've got some interest income that comes in.
And then what I did -- there are certain deductions. I've kind of
made the -- the accounting wasn't done in accordance to generally
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accepted accounting practices, I'm afraid. It now is. You can take
these things off your income because you're not going to get it. You
get bad debts, right? People don't pay you. Well, we're now going to
accrue for that. There's not going to be any surprises.
Rent promotions: Some of them work -- they're at about 40
percent for the '18 year. That's going to start being cut back and --
because that's pretty high. But, anyway -- and I'm used to those kind
of things, because in pharmaceuticals we give away 70 percent of what
we sell it for in rebates, coupons, all that other stuff.
Then we have the Collier County money. You can see there's --
this is compensation, then you have the rent, and other operating -- the
800,000.
You know, tell me when you don't want to see any more of the
budget, but I'm more than happy to take you through it.
The next section we took at operating expenses. Then we said,
okay, here's what the county's 800,000 is going to go for. We have
compensation. You have three employees at the headquarters. So you
have the headquarters. Then you have three people at Immokalee.
They don't come into the budget until December 1st, but it looks likes
it might be. It could be December 1st, it could be January 1st. If we're
going to open January 1st, they better be on board December 1st.
And then there's compensation -- there's $50 -- each person gets
$50 a month for their cell phone.
And then the rent -- Kraft up there by the Nissan dealer is paid for
by the county, and then we've -- they've also provided $30,000 for
equipment expense, the pots and pans and the other ancillary stuff you
need in a commercial kitchen.
Then we went through -- there's costs to goods sold for
Woodstock's, and then the rent expense that we are funding out of
business income in Immokalee.
And then you have professional services. That's the accountants,
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the auditors, the -- we have accountants that do the books; auditors that
audit the books, and then we have a legal -- some legal expenses in
there.
And other things there like utility services, computer software, the
USDA fees. So it's a pretty straightforward budget from that point.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Excuse me. Can I ask a quick
question? Can you go back to the prior page, if you don't mind, on the
revenue side. Am I allowed to ask as we're going?
You show here 381,000 in an income standpoint from
headquarters for contract; is that not correct? You're still on the
operating expenses. The revenue page, sir.
MR. KRIEGER: Oh, I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So county resources. Is that
381,000 part of the overall 800,000 --
MR. KRIEGER: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- bequeath?
MR. KRIEGER: Yes, sir. That's the three people at
headquarters, and benefits. The salary-related expenses, payroll tax --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I understand.
MR. KRIEGER: -- 401(k) and medical.
The last part of the budget, the final page of the '18 budget. As
you can see, again, it -- all the way down to the last $200,000 we've
budgeted for, and we've put it in the buckets. And then at the -- you
can see, the bottom right-hand corner's 4.7 thousand dollars in '18. But
then what we do is we take the headquarters, net headquarters, and we
allocate it to the business.
And talking to Dr. Goodman and the chief operating officer, it
looks like they're spending about 62 to 63 percent of their time on
Naples, moving -- to about 33 percent on Immokalee in next year, and
Woodstock's is like two and a half percent. So we allocate that to that.
So then you can look at the fully absorbed profit -- well, I guess I
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can use the term "profited" -- not-for-profit surplus. And the
accelerator would generate about 73,000.
And then Immokalee startup, we know it's a startup. We know
we've got a lot of -- we're getting started late; we've got some
expenses. And then a small amount in Woodstock. And then 4.7
thousand; break even in '18 with all that funding.
And, of course -- and in the outer years as you saw in the longer
range plan, we're going to be generating about $60,000 worth of
surplus every year. And there's no reason it couldn't get better if we
learn how to do things even better. And it's more demand for it. But
there is a capacity limit.
So that's pretty much it on the business. I look forward to
working with the folks, because my wife will throw me out of the
house again. I failed retirement in two weeks last time, so it will
happen again. And I look forward to helping them because they're
good people and they do some good things.
DR. GOODMAN: Thank you, Fred. Now I'd like to introduce
Richard Grant, who is the Vice-chair of EII.
MR. GRANT: Thank you, Commissioner -- or thank you, Dr.
Goodman, Commissioners. I'm Dick Grant.
I, too, have lived here 38 years, as did Mr. Pezeshkan; raised our
family here, as he. And I think I'm invested here.
I'm going to try to be as brief as I possibly can due to the hour.
My purpose is to explain to you where we are going and what we are
trying to accomplish and, in particular, what our action plan is for the
ensuing year. And it's not that complicated.
Three parts: One, we want to get the Immokalee Accelerator
open, stood up, running, and operating; two, we want to make Naples
better; three, and this is the most challenging, we are going to actively
and in earnest study the world of incubators and accelerators and try to
see if we can determine how it is possible and would be possible to
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operate these accelerators in a way that is not dependent upon or is
very less dependent upon public funding provided by the Collier
County Commission, which you've done a wonderful job of, and we
know we're asking for more this year.
We understand that all things have to come to an end. We
understand that we need to work on that. It has never been something
that, honestly, we've given the highest of priority to. We've had other
priorities. We're going to make it a priority this year.
Three weeks ago in a board meeting, Fred appointed two
committees that we've not had before, or at least not actively working.
One is a fundraising committee that several members of the board are
on whose purpose is going to be to determine how we can find
fundraising sources primarily in the philanthropic arena.
A second committee was appointed called the planning
committee. I think, unfortunately, I drew the short straw, and I got
asked to be the chairman of that one. But fortunately there's some
other people that are more capable than I that are going to be on that
committee, including Dr. Garnier who's volunteered to do that if he's
still here, and one other gentleman.
And our mission is going to be to determine how it might be
possible to find alternative sources. And I'm going to identify six
different things very quickly that we're going to look at. And this is a
process plan. This is not a six months from now we've hit it and we've
solved the problem.
First is we're going to talk to some universities -- obviously, local
ones as well as some that may not be local -- to see how we could
partner up with them and see how they might have an interest in being
part of this.
Incubators/accelerators are mentoring. They're education. That's
what universities do. Dr. Goodman, I believe, ran a couple of
accelerators when he was in California with another university.
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We may talk to the school board. I don't know if that's viable or
not. I don't honestly even know if the school board can fund things
that are not K through 12, but we're going to find out.
We're going to have conversations with foundations nationally
that may have missions oriented toward what we do to see about
funding sources that may not be permanent funding sources, but it may
be temporary funding sources. They may have ideas.
We're going to explore the world of incubators and accelerators
nationwide and see how they operate; profit-making incubators and
accelerators and not profit making.
We may go travel and see them. If we do, I think those of us that
go will probably pay for it ourselves. We've done some of those things
before to learn and gather information, talk to people.
Obviously, we can read a lot; you can find a lot out on the
Internet. You don't have to travel at all.
We are going to look at what profit-making accelerators do run,
how they run. We are going to talk to businesspeople and investors
who might have an interest in somehow partnering up with us in some
way that is profit making to them, not profit making to us. We're a
not-for-profit 501(c)3 organization. That can get a little bit tricky, but
there may be ways to do joint ventures.
So I don't have answers, but that's what we're going to study.
That's what we're going to do. The one thing I do feel very confident
about is that we have a core groups of members of our board that are
committed to this, and I'm satisfied we've got the intellectual
horsepower on our board to explore all these things and do it
intelligently.
Our goal is within six months to be able to come back to you with
a recommendation and suggestions of what we think we might be able
to do going forward. If you want reports monthly on what we're doing,
we can do that. I don't think we're going to be able to have a complete
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report on what we've determined we can do for six months. That's
what we're going to do, and that's the go-forward plan.
The board, I think, is completely committed to this. We want to
see this thing work. We believe the accelerators are a very good
program.
I'd like to do one thing here and read something to you, and I'm
going to try to summarize it, because I think this is important. It's from
former Senator Garrett Richter, who is a member of our executive
committee and our board. Unfortunately he's in New York right now
dealing with his day job, but he had wanted to be here and speak. And
I'll leave the letter with you.
Dear Commissioners: First off, thank you for your service and
commitment to Collier County. I regret I'm not able to personally be
present. My comment's in support of the incubator. In New York.
If I were in Naples, I would surely be at this meeting to present to
you my motivation for support and involvement in this successful
endeavor. I first became aware of this opportunity when I represented
Collier County in the Florida Senate.
I was asked by the county to advocate for funding for this
economic engine after it was unanimously approved by the County
Commissioners a few years ago. I had discussions with each member
of the Board of County Commissioners, both one on one and in public
forums. Each year the Collier County delegation meets publicly with
commissioners to hear their priorities.
I became convinced that this project initiated and prioritized by
the commissioners was worthy, and it was well aligned with my
priorities: Jobs, jobs, jobs.
At the request of Collier County, I successfully advocated for
funding in the appropriations bill that was sent to the Governor in four
successive years. Twice the appropriation was approved by the
Governor, and twice it was vetoed along with other vetoes.
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Delays that I would label bureaucratic caused the initial funding
to be limited to approximately 25 percent of the appropriation in the
first year. The terms of associated claw-back agreements were not
scaled back even though the appropriations did not fully fund.
I understand that there is an effort underway to amend the claw-
back agreement to align it with the amount funded. For four
successive years I was asked by Collier County to support and fund
EII, and now I ask Collier County to do the same thing. Please support
and continue to fund this economic engine.
The return on investment of EII will be explained by others today,
as it is the plan to continue to create and recruit diversified job
opportunities in Collier County, both at the accelerator and at the food
accelerator in Immokalee.
The vision of the prior Board of Commissioners has been realized
and is continuing to develop. My hope is that this vision will continue
and that the county will take pride in the impact of its economic efforts
in Naples and Immokalee.
I have one final statement, then I'm going to shut up. We talked
about three-legged stools. Everybody knows what they are. I think that
this commission and this community have created a new
three-dimensional economic development paradigm which I'm going
to credit you and your predecessors for thinking of.
You do three things in the economic development arena that is
designed to diversify and encourage the diversification of this
economy. One is you have funded the accelerator, and that's the
biggest commitment you've made. Two, you have funded the Naples
Chamber of Commerce partnership for Collier's economy, which is
designed to encourage business retention, local business expansion.
Three, you have funded the economic -- Southwest Florida Economic
Development Alliance, which is designed to encourage outreach and
try to attract companies to come to the region. Three things you've
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done. Three -- three new -- three-legged stool in the economic
development area.
Thank you for your attention. We think it's a great project. We
ask you to support it. Happy to answer your questions.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, if I might.
First of all, thank you for the presentation. You obviously have a
very impressive board and a very impressive group of people working
with you.
I asked this to be taken off the consent agenda for a hearing, and I
really only had one goal, and that is to make sure that we're spending
taxpayer dollars in the most efficient way. That's our obligation. And
I have no desire to disrupt anything going in this current year.
And my second goal was to try to find out how you were going to
be self-sufficient over a period of time, and I think you've provided
that.
Before we go to other comments, I did have some meetings with
the Clerk. I want to thank the Clerk, Dwight Brock, and his staff,
Crystal, for -- what they do is they look out for us, and they're going to
make sure that when we spend funds that we're doing it in a legal way.
I appreciate that extra set of eyes because, quite frankly, if we do
something that goes wrong, we can say, well, the Clerk took a look at
this, so we have somebody else we can blame.
But during that process, we had some conversations yesterday
about a few changes to -- and that's why I wanted to have you up here
while I was making these comments -- a few changes to the
deliverables, and they're simple changes. So let me just kind of go
through what they are. And I don't know if you have the sheet of
deliverables in front of you.
MR. GRANT: Yeah, I have it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And we can put that on the
overhead. That might help.
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MR. GRANT: Let me just say, I am a lawyer, as we know, but I
do not represent EII. But I can speak about it. When I'm on a board, I
don't represent the entity. Somebody else does.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah, understood, understood.
On the Deliverable No. 2, there was a request in the second
sentence to add the word "accurate" monthly financial statements.
Quite frankly, I would assume that they would be accurate, but the
question was for the word to be added.
MR. GRANT: I think they should be accurate.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. On Deliverable No. 5,
there was a little bit of concern, and I had a little bit of a concern in the
delay in getting the business plan, and so I suggested that we get the
business plan no later than one week before the Board's second
meeting in January of 2018. So that gives you the next two-and-a-half
months. And if you need more time -- but I'd like to see that -- I think
the original document had by April 1st. So we'd like to kind of speed
that up a little bit.
MR. GRANT: Are you talking about what I described, the plan
to try to identify alternative ways to fund?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm just looking at the -- no,
that's not what I was looking at. Apparently there's going to be a
business plan developed.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. I think you're referring more to the business
plans with the pro forma and the projection of revenues, expenses. I
see Ms. Kinzel kind of nodding.
MR. GRANT: Okay. We can do that. I don't think we're going
to be able to do what I described by mid January.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, no. I wasn't talking about
that. Just your business plan.
MR. GRANT: Okay. That's all right.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And Deliverable No. 6, we'd
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like to get the IRS Form 990 filed timely. I know there's some
extensions.
MR. GRANT: Most of us thought it had been, but maybe not. I
don't know.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's just a goal, obviously.
And we'd like to get a copy of it.
MR. GRANT: Okay. Agreed.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The only other comment was
that in the Deliverable No. 1 there were some positions that were
identified that seemed to be inconsistent with positions identified
elsewhere in the agreement. We just want to make sure that we have
the same terminology. And that may not result in any changes, but I'd
like to see those three that we just outlined and just make sure that if
we refer to one type of employee position in one part of the agreement,
that it's consistent throughout the agreement.
MR. GRANT: You know, I did notice -- I read the agreement last
night, and in one place it refers to the executive director, meaning Dr.
Goodman, but in another place it speaks about -- to the generic
position of COO and president. It's the same person. We changed his
title several years ago and made him the president and COO.
And I know there was some issue about whether we could find
minutes or not, and I believe -- we all remember doing it, and I know
we had minutes. And a month ago we ratified it and wrote minutes. So
it's the same position.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Not a big deal, but just for
some clarity.
You had mentioned doing some reports on a monthly basis. I
certainly don't need a report every month. Every six months is
sufficient for me.
And one of the concerns I had is, how do we define what is
success? And we've got your indication of 68 investor -- innovative
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companies, innovation companies, and 50-plus jobs, and that sort of
thing, and that may very well be sufficient. But at some point in time
this board has to kind of come to an agreement with you and your
board as to what is success.
As I said, I have no desire to interfere with the funding this year,
but I think it's important that we have the six-month reports,
periodically have you come before us and tell us what you're doing so
we know what you're doing, the public knows what you're doing,
because in the grand scheme of things $800,000 is a pretty good chunk
of taxpayer money, and we just need to make sure that we're spending
it properly.
MR. GRANT: I understand.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So with those changes to the
agreement, Madam Chair, I'm satisfied at this point.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Can I go second?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any comments?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yes. First, I want to thank the
members of the board. I mean, you know, the board at EII is what I
would consider not even -- I mean, collectively, they are the
foundation, I think, of our community. We're -- you know, Mr.
Pezeshkan, Dudley Goodlette, Mr. Grant, Garrett Richter, I mean,
these are the heart of our community, and we're lucky to have them on
this board and really directing this effort, which I think is critical. I
hope my kids will come back here one day and have the ability to work
here in the kind of job that they would want to have.
So I think we need to move forward. I think as far as economic
development efforts, you know, success, as I understand it, is usually
measured in terms of what is the investment in the community that
results from these efforts and how much employment has been created,
and I think the proof is in the pudding. There's been 12 and a half, I
think, million dollars of investment, and there's 50-plus jobs in this --
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in the infancy of this organization.
So I hope we can keep supporting this. I think it's vital. I think
the Immokalee accelerator/incubator is, I think, a wonderful idea. And
the fact that Chef Le Squer, you know, one of the greatest chefs that
we have in the world at this point, was here and is interested in it
speaks volumes to this is a good thing, a good idea, and I think we
should support it.
So I hope that we can move forward and support and continue to
support this. It's a policy decision that the prior board made. I think
those of us that ran in the last election were all in favor of economic
development, and we need to keep supporting this effort.
I mean, if there -- you know, if we need reports, I don't think -- I
don't need a report every month either; six months would be fine. And
ultimately a plan to make it self-sustaining and -- is, I think, in
everybody's interest long term.
So I hope we can move forward and support this and approve the
contracts.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, I'd like to leave it to my
colleague on the other end down there, from a lawyer's perspective, to
go through the deliverables all the way down to 7 and then jump back
up to No. 1 to talk about it.
So I'd like to go through, if I may, the deliverables as well. And I
want to echo my colleague's comments with regard to the board of
directors. I mean -- and I think to paraphrase what he said, it's -- that
group of individuals and their leadership capacities are beyond
reproach with regard to what's, in fact, the good that has come so far.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And the experience that they bring to
this is --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's immeasurable.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- immeasurable.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Immeasurable. And in light of
that, there's a lot of misnomers flying around and people thinking that
the Board is not in favor of the accelerator/incubator. Who -- who
cannot be in support of a job creator and an educational tool and the
promoter that these facilities, in fact, have?
And I think, as Commissioner Saunders said earlier, I know
myself, personably, in review of those deliverables, I had a couple of
questions, and similar to what you said, and maybe even enhance a
little bit. Deliverable No. 3 I found to be a little bit confusing, because
it talked about annualized revenue streams for both the accelerator and
the incubator. I would prefer -- and it -- they were reported on a
quarterly basis, but they were annualized totals. And I would suggest,
in lieu of a six-month report, that we actually look at a quarterly report.
In my other world, in the banking industry, and over at Goodwill
and the like, our staff comes to us with a report, the budgeted revenue
is this on a quarterly basis, and then they show whether or not they've
attained those milestones. If yes, on we go. If no, it doesn't mean we
can't continue on, but we have an action plan as to what transpired to
not allow us to necessarily hit those milestones, and it would give me a
little bit more certainty of what's, in fact, transpiring, more
transparency, and more accountability.
So my suggestion, very simple, is you talk about $150,000-a-year
revenue stream out of the accelerator, divide that by four, and on a
quarterly basis, we report on a weekly --
MR. GRANT: Show whether we're hitting it or not?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct. And if not, again, it's
not necessarily bad, but there's an action plan that comes right along
with that.
MR. GRANT: It's a benchmark.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, just a benchmark.
MR. GRANT: That's fine.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And that also travels with
Deliverable No. 4 as it -- we're talking about 30 days after the end of
the reporting period. And, basically, I'm okay with that aspect of it. It
can be within 30 days of the end of the quarter but, again, they're
benchmarks.
Commissioner Saunders, I had actually put in my notes, prior to
hearing your definition, I had said by the end of January for that final
plan. I didn't necessarily correlate it to your second meeting, but I
think we end up at the same path there.
As well as the Deliverable No. 6, I would like to see it within a
week of its actual submission to the federal government. There's no
reason -- click a button and send what you've already sent off on the
I-90.
MR. GRANT: Done.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And then on Deliverable No. 7,
if we could break that up as well on a quarterly basis in lieu of the
annual aspects that are talked here with your accomplish report, break
that up on a quarterly basis as well. I think that would make me feel a
little bit better as far as our being able to account for what, in fact, we
are doing.
I would certainly like to see this project moving forward,
especially with the emphasis coming over to Immokalee and the
potential for job creation and the like over there.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Considering this board, what
they have --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Here. Slide your microphone.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sorry. Considering the board,
first of all, whom I hold in the highest respect and have great faith in,
that says a lot for the organization -- I, too, like the deliverables. I'd
like to see them actually take place, but I think the Board can make
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sure that they're being delivered, because I guess you would get them
as well. And that way, if we get them and you get them, we can all be
assured that it's traveling in the right direction.
I had asked them -- I met with them privately yesterday, and I just
wanted to know what -- what they've actually done. I didn't know of
any businesses or anything that they'd even brought into town, and I
thought, you know, that's a selling point to me and to other people.
Look at this, we've brought so and so business in, so we are successful.
And I think it would be important. And they brought up three things
that they've done, and they sound good.
We ought to know about that. When you're always in the dark
and you never get a report, you don't know if they're successful. You
only know that you've got a great board of directors, but how do you
know than even the board of directors knows what they're doing?
So I would suggest that we do get regular reports. I have to say,
unless I'm dead wrong, I've never received one, and that's a long time
never to receive one, because we're talking about a few years.
And so I'd like to see them, and I think that that would be the
responsibility of the CEO to make sure that they're done and they're
accurate and that we get them.
And so -- and there was one other thing there on a timely manner.
And sometimes we don't want the report to flower something to say
they want to do this. We want to know what has been done. Okay.
And so I think I'm going to have a great deal more confidence when
that happens, but I love the idea of the Immokalee.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Incubator.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Incubator. Sorry about that. That is
such a great idea about teaching people a new skill. I think there's
nothing better than that, because you give them the skill, and then they
can earn their own money, and they don't need to be given any
handouts. And I love that idea.
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And it makes them feel good about themselves. There's nothing
better than a person earning their own dollar. I think that's a great
thing. So I think I've said enough, thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Mr. Miller, do we have some speakers?
MR. MILLER: Yes, ma'am, we do. We have eight registered
speakers on this item. Your first speaker is Danny Gonzalez. He'll be
followed by Dawn Bryant.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, I'm going to
need to step out at about five minutes to four for a conference call that
I have to take. I had anticipated that we would probably be through
with the meeting. So I don't know how long the public speakers are
going to take. And I just want to be -- I want to be here when we
actually vote.
So if we could -- if I could suggest that we vote on whatever
motion is made at a time-certain at -- I hate to say this, but 10 minutes
to four.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I don't think you're going to have time,
sir.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well --
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, sometimes, as a point of order, you
know, the Chair asks the speakers that once the Board crafts a motion,
if they're in favor of the motion, they may not have to -- you know, if
they want to speak in favor of the motion, they can simply indicate,
you know, I waive in support of the motion, if you think that will move
it forward.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: My challenge is that a lot of these
speakers are from Immokalee, and that's one hour plus --
MR. OCHS: Well, we'd call on them. But if they want to speak,
they can speak. But if they want to waive in support, they can simply
do that.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah, absolutely. If you agree with the
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speaker in front of you --
MR. GONZALEZ: Well, believe me, I will agree.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, just one quick
second then. I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we
approve the contract with the changes that we talked about in the
deliverables, that we receive -- I think you wanted quarterly reports --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- that we receive quarterly
reports, and that as an addition to that, I'd like someone from the EII
board to come to a County Commission meeting every six months or
so and give us an oral report as well. Just -- I think that's going to be
good for you as well as for us. So I'll make that motion.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And if the speakers are
supportive of the motion, then they can indicate or they can proceed.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I haven't made my remarks yet,
but I want to listen to the speakers. So go ahead.
MR. GONZALEZ: For the record, my name is Danny Gonzalez.
We own a restaurant in Immokalee called Lozano's Restaurant, and
we've been in business going on 20 years next month.
So my concern was, you know, I was part of Immokalee trying to
do a salsa thing, and when I heard this news it just kind of devastated
me a little bit because I have kind of already got my pot together, my
money, to start my process in the salsa, and it's going on two years
already. It's been kind of frustrating. I know how the policy works,
you know. It takes time a little bit.
But I'm ready for this. My family's ready and committed to move
forward with our salsa, and I would like to also support the Taste of
Immokalee salsa, go to Immokalee itself, and brand their salsa in
Immokalee. I mean, it should be something great for Immokalee,
because Taste of Immokalee is already in a Publix. I would love to do
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the same thing myself with our salsa, put it in the stores and move
forward.
And, believe me, Commissioners, it's something good for
Immokalee. I'm all for it. I'm part also of the Chamber of Commerce.
Whatever it takes to get more business to Immokalee, that's our job to
do, and thank you for all the support.
Believe me, Ms. Fiala, you talked about Immokalee a lot, so
much, and you're still talking about Immokalee. Ms. Penny Taylor, we
met. And I appreciate all the help that you're giving us, and I hope we
can move forward, like Mr. Solis said.
Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Dawn Bryant. She will be
followed by Carl Sherrill. I don't see Dawn. Is Carl here or Dawn?
(No response.)
MR. MILLER: Bengt Myrin?
MR. MYRIN: Yeah. I yield mine. Thank you so much for
supporting this. It's a fabulous.
MR. MILLER: Tim Rowe?
MR. ROWE: I'll do the same. I yield in full support.
MR. MILLER: Jean C. Paul?
(No response.)
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He's not here, but he asked, if I
had the opportunity to do that, he is in support of this also.
MR. MILLER: Stephen Wheeler?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He left.
MR. MILLER: I'm going to have to -- David from the SBA
office. I can't read the writing here on the last name, sir.
MR. SHERRILL: I'm Carl Sherrill --
MR. MILLER: Oh, I'm sorry, Carl. Go ahead, sir.
MR. SHERRILL: -- from the SBA.
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You had heard all the great plans. I just wanted to talk to you
about something that was not planned and that, of course, was Irma.
Here in Collier County we have seen and talked to 472 businesses
at the accelerator. We have seen, at the disaster recovery center -- and
I don't know whether any of you went to the disaster recovery center at
Golden Gate or not, but in a disaster recovery center, there are
individuals there that are there to see FEMA, they're there to see the
disaster unemployment, and a number of other things.
But the businesses that were able to come and talk to somebody at
the accelerator did not have to do that in front of their customers or in
front of their employees. They were able to go there and talk to
somebody that was familiar with business and could help them with
their application.
Now, that's in contrast to a county to the north that does not have
an accelerator. The county to the north had a little bit over 3,100
applications or people that saw SBA folks, and they had 430
businesspeople that had to stand in line and be there along with maybe
their customers, maybe their employees, to talk to somebody about
their business.
So you are in a very fortunate situation, your businesses were in a
very fortunate situation to receive that assistance here, and we thank
you for it.
MR. MILLER: The last name I have, Madam Chair, I'll try, is
David Schieffelin from the SBA.
MR. SHERRILL: I'm sorry. I was speaking for him, and he had
to go onto another obligation.
MR. MILLER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And you'd asked about Steve
Wheeler. He came up to me just before he left, and he said he was also
supportive.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You know, and just to let everybody
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know, one of the things that was done at the accelerator immediately
after the hurricane were several webinars with SBA and Dr. Goodman
-- I was there for one of them -- to get the word out to businesses as to
what they could do for assistance from FEMA and whatnot.
So I'd like to congratulate Jace and Dr. Goodman as well for --
you know, for jumping into the recovery efforts in the way that the
accelerator could. So I think that was very well done.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Let me wrap it up here. I can't
support the motion, and I can tell you why.
We've all been briefed on the Clerk's -- and what the Clerk has
brought to us. I certainly am willing -- there's no question about the
caliber of the people involved in the accelerator; no question. Just
top-notch. But, unfortunately, they inherited it in many ways.
We've got a situation where there's $85 million right now in the
state's coffers with over $600 million of ask for grants for economic
development, and not one has been filled.
We have a hurricane that just came down upon us which indicates
-- there's an argument now in Tallahassee about whose -- you know,
are we going to go into our reserves, are we going to not go into our
reserves to pay for this, and this is on the state level.
State funding for this, which we've been dependent on, has
successively been minimized to the point where Immokalee -- which
has always been my dream. I was in Tallahassee talking about
Immokalee -- has no way to process the food.
So you can come in and use the test kitchen, you can get and
spend $25 an hour to do that, you can spend $750 for a University of
Florida person to determine if it's safe, but after that, there's a problem,
because the HPP machine -- and the grant for that HPP machine is not
there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: HPP stands for what?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, my gosh.
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MR. OCHS: High pressure processing machine.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sorry about that. I thought you
knew what it was.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What's it called? I'm sorry. What's
it called?
MR. OCHS: High pressure processing.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. It's a fancy dancy
pasteurizer processor.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And it was an extraordinary -- but it
doesn't mean that this machine can't be leased. But, again, there's a bit
of a hiccup here.
I would agree to six months funding of the accelerator and the
incubator. I would not agree to a year. I'd like to look at it again. I am
very concerned; not with the leadership, not with the leadership. I'm
concerned that the ship may have sailed. I'm concerned about the time
frame that this accelerator -- you know -- and let me back up.
This accelerator concept was delivered to EII before I was even
on the Board. You were on the Board, but I wasn't on the Board, and
then it started to move forward when I was on the Board. So I've kind
of had a three-year look at this.
And from my perspective, given what this audit the Clerk is
preparing is coming down, I'm not willing to commit $800,000 to this
venture. I would like to see it, six months. I would like to see a
business plan in January. I'd like to see not self-sufficiency -- that's
asking way too much -- but I would like to see a more solid economic
base to -- especially to Immokalee, and then to look at it again.
So I needed to bring that forward, not as a -- and then -- and to --
finally, as far as Immokalee's concerned -- because I don't have the
votes to do this, and the vote will be to fund you on an annual basis --
please create a committee of Immokaleeans to talk about what's needed
up there. That's what they need. They need to understand -- they need
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to interact, because no one knows more about Immokalee than those
folks that live there. They understand the economy. They understand
the business of Immokalee. And that's very important.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: The demographics.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: The demographics.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Can I ask you a question?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Maybe I didn't understand what you
said, so I just want to clarify.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: When you said something about
some machine that isn't there --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- does that -- that means, then, they
can't conduct cooking classes? Is that what you're --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, no. I think they can -- I think
there's a full kitchen there.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's not the issue.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: But after you've got your mix exactly
the way you want and everything and then you have it tested to make
sure that it's -- you know, it's correct in terms of the safety part, you
still have to figure out how you're going to bottle it or preserve it in
order to get it to a place like Woodstock's. That part is not there.
Does it mean it will never get there? No. But, you know, it's one
thing after another. Let's face it, I mean, at the end of the last session
we had a million dollars for the HPP machine, and that HPP machine
-- that million dollars was denied on the state level.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I see.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That was in our legislative
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initiative last year, I think, or was it the year before?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: The year before.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: You know. And there's no question
Senator Richter has worked and worked and worked to make this
happen, but it's a different time now. The economy's booming. It's a
different time than when the accelerator was created.
So I'm more cautious, and I'm -- I am concerned about a dream
that is a valid dream, it's an important dream, but it's a dream that may
not be realized, and I'm very concerned about taxpayers' money.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You know, you're right, and I've
heard about some of the expenses and, you know, like a coffee
machine, for instance, that costs an exorbitant amount, I think.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The what?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Coffee machine --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: A coffee machine for Woodstock's for
$10,000.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- costing $3,800, and I thought,
that's a little bit high for a coffee machine, things like that. But, you
know, I think -- I think -- we've got this board that --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: We've got this board.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- that now is pretty aware of what's
going on. And, you know, we've never had conversations with their
board.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's right.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I think this is a good thing. But I
think that we ought to -- and when we first started this we saw that we
would have to give them this much, but then it would continue to go
down but, actually, it's continued to go up as far as expenses and how
much more we have to infuse into this thing.
Maybe we ought to just do this for six months and see -- see what
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we do. And if they're accomplishing things and now we're getting
reports -- because we don't get reports now. All we --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Not.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No. So if we get reports regularly
and we can see that they're moving up the ladder and they're
accomplishing something, then when the six months are up, we can
say, well, now he's accomplished this. Let's continue on.
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, on the processing issue, just to let
everybody know, that in the funded budget there's equipment that's
going to be leased to provide conventional processing, not the HPP,
but conventional. I think you put all the quarterly reporting
requirements in the two contract amendments that Commissioner
Saunders and McDaniel have made.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That was my question. I know
you've got to go. But my question was going to be, with those
quarterly reporting -- I mean, we can commit to the annual, but we
have decision-making rights on a quarterly basis as we go forward. I
mean, we can't shut them down just because they didn't hit one of those
measurables, but we could say -- you know, we could make a -- we
could delineate a shorter time frame; is that correct?
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. I mean, it's hard to, frankly, hire -- if I had
to hire a staff to operate with the expectations in this contract and tell
my prospects they've got a three-month job and then I'll let them know
after, it's pretty tough to hire good staff.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right. That's why I was
thinking the quarterly would be a measurable for us to attain and then
move forward and give direction to the Board and to staff as to how to
move forward.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I -- go ahead.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I was just going to say, we
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have a motion on the floor to approve the agreement with the annual
funding. I think this has been a good exercise. I think the message to
the board is that, you know, we want to be involved, we want to know
what's going on, and we have some skepticism, perhaps, in terms of
whether this is successful or not, so we need you to keep us informed.
I think the Clerk has done a great job in evaluating this, and the
Clerk has done a great job in keeping us informed. I think the message
is that he's part of our team, so we all work together.
Madam Chair, I'm going to call for the question unless there's
some other comment, but that's the motion and the second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. I think we've pretty much --
okay. Let's call the question. There's a motion on the floor to approve
the funding as stated in the executive summary for one year with the
amendments to the deliverables as stated, and there is a second.
All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Only because I'd like it to be six
months instead, and maybe that would encourage them to get the job
done right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: 3-2.
MR. OCHS: 3-2?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: 3-2.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Madam Chair, if I may
make one quick comment before I will step out for just a couple of
minutes.
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Item #9B
RESOLUTION 2017-222: DECLARING THE ACQUISITION OF
THE ASSETS OF THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENTAL UTILITY
AUTHORITY SERVING THE GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY IN
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, BY THE COLLIER COUNTY
WATER-SEWER DISTRICT, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF
COUNTY RATES IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST; TO
ESTABLISH RATES AND CHARGES; AND TO MODIFY THE
SERVICE AREA OF THE COLLIER COUNTY WATER-SEWER
DISTRICT – ADOPTED
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: You want the Golden Gate?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'd like to, you know, be here
--
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We'll wait.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. If you could hold that
off. I don't think there's anybody here from Golden Gate on that
particular issue.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I think we have enough to go through.
We'll certainly wait, because that is your district, sir.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I appreciate that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Or we could even vote on it right
now. Do you want to make a motion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, I'll make a --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Make a motion to approve the
staff recommendation and to move forward with the acquisition of the
FGUA facilities in Golden Gate City.
I do want to thank staff. You all have done a great job in putting
this together. I know we've got in some attorneys from out of town
that have come here, but I don't think we need to hear too much in
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reference to this.
I believe -- and I want to thank the Board, because I genuinely
believe that this is probably the single-most important thing we can do
for that community. They have septic tanks that are next to wells in
very small lots, septic tanks that are failing. There's a public-health
issue out there. There are not a sufficient number of fire hydrants.
And the residents that have both water and sewer, the typical
resident out there will save about $50 a month in their utility bills
starting immediately when this is taken over.
Staff has been able to structure this so that there is -- it's really,
basically, no cost to the county. They're restructuring the debt, they're
making some improvements, and by taking over and using the county
rates, even though those rates are substantially lower, there's no cost to
the county ratepayers outside of that area.
So I'll make a motion to approve the --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- staff recommendation
moving forward.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I concur with you. Only --
not just for the community, but it's for our whole county. The benefits
that are associated with this process are amazing for our entire
community for solid waste and our potable water systems. It's --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He has to get going, so...
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Goodbye. Call the question
then.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. There's a motion on the floor
and a second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That carries unanimously.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Hurry back.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Terri, you okay?
THE COURT REPORTER: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Let's continue.
Item #9C
RESOLUTION 2017-223: APPROVAL OF THE 2017 COMBINED
ANNUAL UPDATE AND INVENTORY REPORT ON PUBLIC
FACILITIES AND SCHEDULE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
AS PROVIDED FOR IN SECTION 6.02.02 OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SECTION
163.3177(3)(B), FLORIDA STATUTES AND ADOPT A
RESOLUTION THAT UPDATES THE 5-YEAR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULES. (PL-20170000596/CPSP-2017-1)
– ADOPTED W/AMENDMENTS 1 & 2 AND BEACH ACCESS
MR. OCHS: Okay. That would take us to Item 9C on your
agenda. That's the recommendation to review and approve the 2017
combined Annual Update and Inventory Report on public facilities and
schedule of capital improvements, and Mr. Bosi will begin the
presentation.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I didn't bring mine in. I left my
notebook in the back.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's right here on the thing.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: There are two back here. One is
mine.
MR. KLATZKOW: And just while we're waiting, just for the
record, there were no registered speakers for that utility item.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, that's nice.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That's good.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That we didn't break -- you've
got to speak up a little sooner while we've got the freight train heading
down the road.
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, you guys were going so fast.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There were no registered
speakers on the utility issue, so we were in the clear by not hearing
anybody.
MR. BOSI: Good afternoon, Commissioners. Mike Bosi,
Planning and Zoning Director.
I'm here for the Annual Update and Inventory Reports. I've got a
12-slide presentation I'll get through relatively quickly.
We have our full team available for presentations. I'm going to
just provide an overview of the proceeding of the book that was
contained with the projects as well as the Planning Commission's
ultimate recommendation related to the AUIR/CIE.
It's the one-year snapshot that's needed to project the required
improvements of all infrastructure and service-providing departments
based upon population projections compared against the
level-of-service standard. Basically what that's saying is to maintain
the community, the services that are provided to our citizens at a
similar rate, at the same rate, at a constant rate so we don't see a
degradation within those individual services.
There's two distinct categories. One is the Category A. They
make up the concurrency facilities. Those are the ones that have to
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satisfy the capacity questions as to whether they can move forward.
That's roads, drainage, potable water, watershed, solid waste, parks and
recs, and schools. Your B are your non-currency facilities: Jails, law
enforcement, libraries, EMS, and government buildings.
We projected the county's growth per our policy in the Capital
Improvement Element based upon the University of Florida Bureau of
Economic and Business Research, BEBR, and we also have a seasonal
population, a 20 percent increase to account for the seasonal
populations and the increased demand that the infrastructure and
service providers experience during the months of January, February,
and March.
How do we build? How do we make the determination? For a
number of the components, such as library, it's just new population
against your level-of-service standards. If there's 300 -- or 33,878
people projected for the five-year period, you multiply that times your
level of service, your square-footage requirement, and it will tell you
that you need 11,180 square feet of additional library space to maintain
pace, and that's one of the more simpler ones. Libraries and parks are
strictly population based.
There's other factors, though, in the other capital improvement
intensive division and infrastructure providers. They use a little more
sophistication. It's not just population. Population is the underpinning
of the factors, but transportation. It's your trip counts, your actual trip
counts that are on the road that's compared against the volume or the
capacity available for any one of those road segments. That's what
dictates the need and the calling for expansions and new opportunities
and new avenues.
Public Utilities, in the same way, it's where they have a premium
placed against their peak utility demands that they look at from a usage
standpoint to make that determination.
EMS is another provision where it's arrival time. It's not just
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population based, but it's arrival time: Eight minutes within your
urbanized area; 12 minutes within your rural area to having one of
those transport vehicles at the house.
And the other one I did not mention, though, but it's stormwater.
Stormwater, it's not population based, but it's quantity and quality,
meaning the quantity of that water that we're moving but also the water
quality allowances were provided by how we staged that water and
how it ultimately gets to its ultimate destination.
What else the AUIR establishes, the rational nexus required for
the utilization of impact fees in both the categories. That's just the
monies that are being expended are for growth-related projects.
Also, it's an approximation of revenue over the capital -- over the
period of time for the AUIR and help determine the county's ability to
construct at the adopted levels of service. It's a good precursor to the
budgetary exercise that you start in February, conclude in September
of the needs that will be required to maintain the sense of place.
And as I've mentioned, all of the projects within the AUIR/CIE
are growth related, and that's where that connection to the impact fees
come, but also the connection to the new developments that come
through from a land use standpoint in terms of their analysis against
available capacities.
This trend tells a very stable story of Collier County over the last
six years, and what it provides for is, what was the five-year estimate
of population projections studied in 2012 all the way to 2017? And if
you look at that, the lowest being 8.25 percent, the highest being 9.84
percent. Basically what that said is in the last six to seven years, we've
been adding 5- to 6- to 7,000 people on an annual basis, and that's a
steady growth rate. That's a predictable, steady, one that our
infrastructure and service providers have been able to maintain a good
handle upon.
In this next slide, this provides your COs that have been issued in
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your 2016/2017 period. And if you look at the total, it roughly will
come to about 3,600. Well, correspondingly, if you take that, you
know, 3,500, '600 COs, you multiple it by our persons-per-household
population, and you're right around the delta of that 5- -- or 6- to 7,000
persons/populations that we expected over that annual basis.
So what that's telling you is what we're projecting in terms of our
population, it's right about -- we're right about even, on par with where
we would expect those COs to be leveled at with the understanding
that there's going to be 20 percent of those that are going to be held
back for seasonal or occupation -- or seasonal occupancy.
So these correlations are comforting from a standpoint of
knowing that we're not getting too far ahead of ourselves. We're on a
steady pace, and we've had a steady pace of growth in the past six
years, and we project we're going to maintain that moving forward.
And this is just a snapshot of the COs that have been issued from
2005 to 2017, a total of 18,787 single-family units and 13,615
multifamily units. Just to give you a composite over the last 12 years
of the total number of units that have grown out of the ground.
Here's a summary of the proposed improvements within your first
two years. Your first two years are the most crucial. Those are the
ones where your funding is already locked in and dedicated for. And if
you're looking for transportation, your two big builds, your Golden
Gate Boulevard, and then your Vanderbilt Beach expansion. That
Vanderbilt Beach expansion was directly tied to some of the comments
that we had related to the Cleary PUD. That is designed as an
alternative east/west corridor, especially east of 951, to be able to
handle the volumes of traffic that currently is throttled to the capacity
that's only provided by Immokalee Road.
So the Vanderbilt Beach extension, we were talking about it
earlier this -- this meeting when we were talking about the traffic
situation within Immokalee. This was a project specifically designed
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to recognize the need to open up additional capacities within that
east/west corridor direction.
Stormwater, you have Golden Gate City, Immokalee, and Naples
Park as your three major -- the three largest price tags. And within
parks, it's your sports park that's currently going through the
entitlement review located at CityGate.
Within law enforcement, your District 1 and your District 5
substation replacements are two of the primary builds, and with also
the Sheriff's Office indicating they would like to advocate for the
forensic building to be advanced as quickly as possible from a capital
standpoint just because of the needs it exerts within their individual
system.
Within EMS, within those first two -- first two years, Hacienda
Lakes, DeSoto Boulevard, and Immokalee/951 is actually in the third
year, so that's not within the first two.
And then you have your library collections, which is basically just
your library materials, your books, your electronic content and medium
that's provided for on an annual basis.
Those are the major highlights of the capital improvement
contained within your CIE/AUIR.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Quick question before he goes
on, if I may.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Back up a slide. And this is a
-- not that -- that one right there. And this is where I think we need to
provide for a little more clarity.
You've included in Category A facilities and projects. The sports
complex is a separate entity funded by TDT funding and a bond issue
that's securitized by the one cent TDT tax that we raised and shouldn't
be included in the CIE from an expenditure standpoint for county
infrastructure, I don't think.
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I mean, if you were to talk about the Big Corkscrew Regional
Park, in lieu of that, that would be a more -- I think a more better
explanation of expenditure of these funds.
We have a lot of confusion with the residents as far as the buckets
of money. We all know the buckets of money that come from impact
fees and what those monies had have to be spent on, what the TDT tax
is, what the sales tax is, and so on, the like, but including that facility
up there, to me lends me to believe that that's part of a CIE for the
overall county funded out of impact fees or General Fund, and that's
not the case.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Commissioner, if I could, when we did
the sports park, it was important for the public that they're going to
have use of the facility as residents as well, too.
So your AUIR/CIE has two components, the capital improvement
side and the AUIR inventory side. So you're going to have inventory
that will be open to the residents part of the time, and there'll be a
General Fund component in terms of the operation of that as well, too.
So while it's not funded from the capital side, from, you know,
those funds that are TD funds, not General Fund, you're going to get an
operating portion that does come from the General Fund, and you will
have capacity that's added to the network, and I think that's what Mike
was kind of showing it, that it's part of the inventory that we're going to
have in the county park system. That's all. It wasn't meant for a capital
funding.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, we're talking --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Where is the Corkscrew Park?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Corkscrew Regional Park is
out on the other side of the fairgrounds out there. That is a park that's
going into inventory, and I think it's set up for construction within the
next couple of years, and it could necessarily be there as well. And
this is just me, from a simplistic standpoint, we're talking about a CIE
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with funding streams that we utilize out of this AUIR to determine our
capital improvements that our community's, in fact, going to need.
And this is a -- that's a capital improvement that's coming from an
entirely segregated funding source. Yes, it counts in inventory, but
we're talking about capital improvements.
MR. OCHS: We're talking about both. It's the annual update to
the inventory and the related CIE.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
MR. OCHS: That's all. We're just trying to make that distinction.
If you add this park complex into your parks and rec inventory, that
helps your level-of-service standard going forward.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Gotcha.
MR. OCHS: But I understand your point about the segregated
funding. We're good. I understand where you're going.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That was just a question that I
had, so...
MR. BOSI: And on to the last slide. And the last slide is simply
the Planning Commission's recommendation. They heard this on
October 19th. They provided unanimous recommendation for the
Board of County Commissioners to accept the report as was presented
to the Planning Commission.
There was one clarification. They did ask for the Board to
consider inventorying and showing graphically beach access as a
component of the Parks and Recreation facilities section in the AUIR
rather than being reported along with other facilities in the appendix.
Right now Parks and Recs has a pretty robust appendix. A section
shows you field usage, facilities, a lot of different information. The
beach access is part of that. It follows the general guidelines that are
contained within the index.
It's been asked from the Planning Commission, could we bring
that more permanently with into the AUIR and how we show the beach
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access in relationship to planned facilities.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I like that idea.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Me, too.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I don't.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I think it's very important.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well -- and it's not that I don't.
It's just -- if we're in discussion. It's not that I don't like it. It's just I'm
concerned about the unintended consequences with the lack of
specificity of what, in fact, comprises adequate beach access. And
without that being delineated, including this in the AUIR, which is
what staff utilizes for development of our capital element
improvements, and then, in turn, meeting with concurrency as we go
forward, I foresee an issue where someone could say that development
could not go forward because it doesn't meet with the beach inventory
side.
MR. BOSI: And to address those concerns, we showed that
information in the appendix. This would be most certainly a
nonbinding, non-component of your concurrency management system.
This just was a request to show the portion that's shown in our
inventory in a more prominent way as part of the park's overall
representation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: As long as it's not tying us up.
And I like the delineation because, Madam Chair, as you so accurately
put at one of our last meetings, we were talking about beach access and
the availability of parking, and I think we have an item coming up with
regard to our -- what are we doing? We okay?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I'm just saying, Terri's
looking like she really needs a break.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: How come every time I start
talking you think the court reporter needs a break? What's up with
that?
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Is there something? Do you think
there's a correlation between the two?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I don't know. As long as it
doesn't --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I was listening.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Good. As long as it doesn't tie
us up and we are reporting it, acknowledging the necessity for
adequate beach access, and this is the methodology for that, then I'm
okay with that. I just didn't want -- I was concerned about the
unintended consequences when I read that coming out of the CCPC.
MR. OCHS: Well, you know, I share that a little bit, because if
we're talking about setting up a hard level-of-service standard for the
number of beach parking spaces, this is a Category A facility, so your
Comp Plan mandates that that has to be financially feasible and
funded. So your point's well made, and I just wanted to make sure the
Board -- if you want us to establish a true level-of-service standard in
the AUIR for beach parking spots, there may be a funding
consequence to that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, there inevitably will be a
funding consequence to that. But having it delineated is -- and this is
the beginning of the process for that delineation so that we can actually
ascertain the necessities that are requisite for the parking spaces, then
we can appropriate the necessary funding as we go. So I just don't
want to get caught in unintended consequences. That's all.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We did it before. We need to do it
again.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You back?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah, I'm back. I'm not 100
percent sure what the discussion is other than beach access, but I'm
dying to say if don't do this we're going to be putting our -- you know,
hiding our heads in the sand, and we don't want to --
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good one.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. That's beautiful.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We all need to go and have a break and
come back. That was brilliant; it really was.
Can we take a consensus that we agree that this should go in?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'd be happy to go with that
consensus.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I think so.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I agree.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Beaches are extremely important.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It looks like we all -- none of us ever
get to the beach, by the way, but for the others, they do need it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It's important. It's, I think -- one of the
most important parts of Naples are the beaches. That's why people
come here. Okay.
MR. BOSI: And that's all the presentation that I've prepared.
Answer any questions the Board may have.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala has, because you
mentioned it before.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What's that? Something to say?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You know what, I just wanted to say
to Mike, he gave a presentation the other day at a neighborhood
information meeting about that craft beer place. You did an excellent
job, and that's way off the subject, so that's all I'll just say, but you did
a great job.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Madam Chair, my light's not
staying on.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Why am I thinking about beer right
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now?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Before he starts talking, can we cut
for a break?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Do you want to take a break?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We need to do that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Let's take a break before I go.
I had a couple of comments I'd like to make, Mr. Bosi, and that's
just -- when I read through this and I saw that -- the population
estimates that you had up there earlier, I really like those, because that
was, if I'm not mistaken, the 2012 estimate of population was 328-,
and then out to five years was 355-, which would take us to 2017, and
you come down there, and it's actually estimated at 357-, and it comes
and goes.
And I found that to be a very interesting, accurate process that
we've got going on, that -- and as you all know, we voted to continue
on or expand the interactive growth model which is going to assist us
in those population estimations in modeling going forward.
So I think we're going to be able to line up and have even more
accurate information from with which to go forward on. Do you have
a comment there or no? You good?
My concerns that I -- and I spoke with Leo about it yesterday,
departmentally there were population estimations that were right in
line with the 360-some-odd thousand as an estimate, but other
departments increased by that 20 percent peak population, and then,
straight line, went forward from there with their capital improvement
requisites to that already increased 20 percent.
And I found that to be confusing at best if not necessarily
misleading, because it set us up with -- it set us up with too high of a
population base to start off. Do you have any comments?
MR. BOSI: There are a certain number of our AUIR components
that peak season populations that are the drivers and some that are just
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permanent population that are the drivers. And the 20 percent is that
agreed-upon seasonal influx that we impose upon most of the service
providers. Only a few of them are permanent population, and that's the
distinguishing factor between the two.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: But don't we use those
population estimates to then come back around and derive the
necessity of the impact fees that are associated with those capital
elements?
MR. BOSI: No. Your impact fees are based upon the assets to
date at the time of the study based against your current populations. It
does not look forward. It only looks backwards as to what you had to
be able to -- what's the share of any one of the costs of that
infrastructure on a household-by-household basis.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: My last question: How many
other counties in the state of Florida use the AUIR process?
MR. BOSI: I've been doing this for almost 11 years, and it's --
there is no other county. We actually went -- I went through a
level-of-service study in 2008 and contacted almost every single
county, and no one goes to the length to talk about library space,
library collections, EMS, government buildings, the type -- law
enforcement, jails at length that we do.
The public doesn't attend as much, but it's important because I
think it really shows that the Board of County Commissioners in this
general-purpose government is committed to maintaining the sense of
place that has attracted people to the county and want to maintain that
moving forward so people can always enjoy the services and the
infrastructure that we have, you know, provided.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I did have a question.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: On this I noticed, first of all, these
figures are a little bit different than the ones we have in our agenda,
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and I didn't know why they were different. And I don't know if it
really makes any difference, but they are different anyway; same with
the percentages and so forth. And I didn't know if you knew what the
answer was.
MR. BOSI: Other than maybe it was a copy and paste error on
my part for the PowerPoint. But the ranges, I believe, are within that
same -- that same story in which it's telling of the 5- to 6,000 per year.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. They're not off by a bunch.
Just some.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Just some.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And then I was wondering, how did
you -- when you figure permanent population following five years, and
you've got that, I just -- I don't understand how that all came to be.
What percentages did you use to change the five years? I'm just --
MR. BOSI: Well, you would take your total population, your
five-year period, say it's 35,000. You divide it by five. That will give
you your percentage of your annual growth. And then you do your
total. You do -- if it's 35,000, you divide that by your original
population, and that will yield what the percentage growth would be
for that five-year period. So it's in the statistic.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. One of the things I was most
concerned about, and I mentioned this at the beginning of the meeting,
too, is we continue to -- when developers come in and continue to want
to add density to their different things, and you have now people
saying to us, even ULI is saying that you need to increase density, you
need to increase density, but -- and they're talking, you know, up to 30
units per acre in some cases, but how does that fly with concurrency on
the roads?
I mean, we're talking about concurrency requirements and so
forth. And we know that the growth is going out east. Why are we
going to continue adding more density on our roads? Like Immokalee,
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for instance. It's just terribly overcrowded, and a lot of our other roads.
So, well, we could go to Pine Ridge, but then that's another
terrible dense area. Shouldn't we be conserving that density and trying
to live within what the land itself offers? You have four unit per acre,
so you build four units per acre.
MR. BOSI: You know, we heard a lot about -- and it was your
CRA discussions where it talked about economies of scale, mass. And
we said it was related to density. It's all about your location.
Now, this Board of County Commissioners was faced with a
question on Briarwood as a multifamily project at Briarwood and
Radio Lane (sic). The net density of that project was 22 units per acre.
Do you know why this Board of County Commissioners was able to
accept that proposal with very little discussion and say this is what the
community needs is because of the location. That intersectional
location is allowed to absorb the density, the impact of that proposal in
a way that doesn't disrupt the surrounding residential properties or the
surrounding character, and it was the right fit because across the street
was -- to the west was industrial zoned property. To the south was
some multifamily. It was the right place at the right time within the
right capacities that were available.
Each one of the projects that come by, with the Planning
Commission's recommendation and then your review for approval, a
capacity analysis is done. It's not binding, because that's done at your
SDP or your plat stage. But they look. They say, here's the trip
capacity that's available, and you're going to add X number. You can
move forward. You won't have a capacity problem.
When there is a capacity problem, that's when Trinity Scott will
be up letting you know that there's going to have to be some sort of an
agreement to help provide for additional capacity or address the
impacts of the individual developments.
What so often you hear, I believe, is anecdotal stories of
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individual residents saying, we can't get by at specific periods of time,
and there's certain segments that maybe there are small capacity issues
and, therefore, each of those projects could address those smaller
issues.
But the projects as a whole, if there's capacity in the road segment
that it's impacting, can move forward. And I'm probably a little bit
clumsy in terms of describing it just because I'm not a transportation
planner by training, but that's the overall approach that we take.
So each one of these projects that are coming by, they're asking
for density. That density is being evaluated against what we have in
the system. And our AUIR sets up what those capacities are.
Now, in the urbanized area, your urbanized area, especially within
those intersections -- you know, that action that we took at Radio Lane
and -- or Radio Road and Livingston, you're going to see that more and
more into the future, because the square footage that we can provide at
our activity centers, you know, where our collector roads are
intersections, that square footage as the Amazons and the disruption of
home delivery and Internet retail opportunities move further and
further and starts changing the way and how much square footage we
can support -- the highest and best use for every quadrant of our
activity centers, it's not going to be commercial. There's going to be
small components of residential. And you can put 20 to 22 units per
acre within that facility with it having very little disruption.
So those are our opportunities, and I think that's something that
was highlighted within your housing plan. But it's all about that
location. So when you ask, how do we approve it, how do we make the
right determination? It's all about the specifics of the individual
proposal, where it sits within the infrastructure, and where it sits within
the capacities of your overall roadway.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well said; well said.
(Applause.)
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Applaud for that.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That was very good.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. OCHS: I agree.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And it's time for a break.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I have a question.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Terri's tipping over.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: On Page 41 with the stormwater
management system facility summary, so in five years we have a
deficit of $14,976,000; is that correct?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: More than that.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And that's capital?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: That's capital, ma'am. Your O&M's
not really included in there. That's the other slide you saw as part of
your stormwater utility.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah. So this is capital. So if a
stormwater fee -- this would apply to a stormwater --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Your capital would get covered if
there was a stormwater utility. That deficit would get made whole.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. And then there is one -- on Page
59, there is one stormwater control structure that has a very low grade,
and that's on Pine Ridge 1. Could someone describe what that is for
me? Is that the Gordon River -- part of the Gordon River basin?
MR. KURTZ: Yes, Commissioner. Jerry Kurtz, your
Stormwater Project Manager.
Pine Ridge No. 1 is probably a weir that's aged out more than any
of the other weirs that we have. Plans are pretty much developed to
replace it. We're taking a little extra time to coordinate with the
Arthrex campus to get that positioned in the right configuration to
work out with all their improvements proposed. So the solution's in
hand. We're just taking a little extra time to get it right.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. Thank you.
MR. KURTZ: You're welcome.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. So do I hear a motion to
accept the AUIR with the amendments as shown on the screen, one
and two, including the beach access?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
MR. OCHS: We need a break.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I think you need a break, don't you,
Terri? Yes. All right.
MR. OCHS: Ten minutes?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Ten minutes.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you very much. I think we are
at 10A; is that correct?
Item #10A
DIRECTING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADVERTISE AND
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BRING BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AN ORDINANCE
REESTABLISHING THE PRODUCTIVITY COMMITTEE –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: You are correct, Madam Chair. That is a
recommendation to direct the County Attorney to advertise and bring
back for a public hearing an ordinance re-establishing the productivity
committee.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh.
MR. OCHS: And -- when we last left this issue, the Board had
asked us to bring it back, and I think the County Attorney needs some
direction on how to --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh.
MR. KLATZKOW: No. I just -- last time the Board wasn't
certain that the proposed ordinance was something structured the way
you wanted it. Just need to know if the proposed order is structured the
way you want it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I think that when the last
productivity ended, I think it was because they weren't productive, if I
can say that. And they weren't actually -- what we wanted was, you
know, the productivity to come in and tell -- say a department, how
they can operate more efficiently, effectively, and so forth, and even
get into their budget a little bit. But it became more of a budget
committee than a productivity committee after a while, and so it kind
of just disbanded when it wasn't effective anymore. I'll just say that.
But, anyway, I still think it's a good idea, and I think if we give
criteria and say it's supposed to be how you can be more productive.
And I don't care whether it's in transportation, road building, wherever
it's going to be. They can go in and work with a department and be
helpful, you know, and not critical; helpful of how they can operate
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more efficiently. I think that would be a good idea myself. It would
be -- for us board members, it would be our responsibility to choose a
right person to represent each one of our districts --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- that will want to do that, plus
we're going to have two at large. And if you know somebody who's
really good, say, for instance, somebody that came from a very large
company and they were very productive, maybe you would want to get
them in there to do that thing to be helpful in that manner.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: One of the things I've been thinking
about is that if we could be very specific about what their backgrounds
need to be and their work experience. I kind of made some notes here.
I think the background needs to -- I mean, I think the background
needs to have finance and operations. I think they need to understand
how a billion dollar corporation works.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, yeah, but, see, that's what
happened last time is it became only a budget committee, and we
already have a budget committee, you know. It seemed to focus more
--
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: But operations to how it works, how
different areas work. So, finance, yeah, I mean, because you don't
work well without a base of sound financial basis, but then the second
thing is operations. How does it work? You know, how is it set up?
How --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's exactly what I'm saying.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- does a company -- yeah, so I think
we're --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I thought you were going on into
more finance.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No, no, no. Operations is very
important. Equal billing, equal weight.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: How many divisions are there?
MR. OCHS: There's about 50.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Fifty?
MR. OCHS: Roughly, give or take.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I mean, in theory this sounds really
good, but I just wonder, where do they start? What is the criteria for
them to decide whether or not something's being efficient or not? I
mean, the idea of it sounds wonderful, but I just don't know -- and I
could see how they would become just a budget committee, because
that's something that's pretty easy to -- you can look at it, you can do
the numbers, and you can see what's going on but, I mean, to
determine a division or department's efficiency, you have to really
know what that division or department does on a day-to-day basis.
And I just don't know if we're just creating another level of --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Bureaucracy.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- bureaucracy that -- at the end of
the day, I mean, I think it was disbanded because it really wasn't
helpful.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don't know.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So -- I mean, I remember seeing
some of those discussions and --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I keep hitting my button, but --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I just -- I'm going to ask the
question, is this something that's really needed because we're not able
to find out or figure out, with the County Manager's assistance, where
inefficiencies lie? And I'll just throw that out there.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's a good question.
Commissioner Saunders, your light's on.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: When this was originally
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constituted a long, long, long time ago, the concept was that this
committee would be composed of people that had some background in
management and that they would take two or three departments a year,
and they would take a real hard look at what a particular department
does, how they're spending their money, and just have a set of eyes
looking at what they're doing and would make recommendations to
help improve the efficiency of a particular department, but it certainly
wasn't designed to evaluate a whole lot of departments at one time. It
was just one or two departments a year. And over a period of years,
we'd get into all of the budgets.
Now, we have what, you said 50 departments --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Fifty.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- which is certainly a little
more than back in those older days. So, you know, maybe they'd have
to do three or four departments a year, but that was the concept. And it
seemed to work well for a long time. I don't know if we need it now or
not. That's something, obviously, to discuss. I think it did some good
work in the early years.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: If --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Could I just follow up?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Because it made me think of
something. I mean, for example, Steve Carnell's department, I mean,
that runs from parks to mental-health services and, I mean, the
divisions are really what we're -- because a department can be so
diverse, right, and dealing in so many different things. I'm just
wondering, if they're not getting down to the division level how you
would -- I don't know. I just don't know.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: If they don't have expertise in that
division level. I mean, Mr. Carnell doesn't run what Dr. Yilmaz runs
and vice versa.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right; exactly, exactly. So I just -- I
just don't know that -- I think maybe when the county was smaller and
a little simpler in a prior age -- sorry -- that maybe it made sense.
Anyway, I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's okay.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Commissioner McDaniel, sorry. I
keep using up your time.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, no, no. I am the one that
brought this issue forward, and I would like to start at the beginning
and not suggest that Collier County is broken, okay. That's an
important thing for us to understand. This is not a suggestion that
we're broken.
I personally served on two different advisory committees to this
board that received little to no credence for the time that those
voluntary committees served and gave advice to the Board of County
Commissioners in my last 10 years or so of being around.
I would like to incentivize our community to participate in our
government sector. There's no rush. There's no specific department
that's failing or anything along those lines, Commissioner Solis. This
is -- this is, in my mind, an avenue for us to solicit learned members of
our community. We have an inordinate amount of wealth from a
mental capacity of retirees and members of our community from,
Commissioner Taylor, billion-dollars-plus companies and the like that
could offer us advice not necessarily having expertise in one
department or another.
This -- my rationale here was to -- and, again, when I went
through the line items in the executive summary that's brought before
us today, those are all just my changes that I made to the original
ordinance that created the productivity committee to simplify it, not
have it be such a political animal that it ultimately evolved into. And I
think it can, there again, be incumbent upon us, because I left the
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vice-chair of the board, being the chairman of that committee, to help
with giving direction and assistance with what the board ultimately
wants to see coming from the committee.
My goal with this was to lure back learned members of our
community to participate and offer us advice on things that we might
could -- that we might be able to do to be a more productive
government and better stewards of our taxpayers' money.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I can respect that. I think that's an
admirable goal, but I think they do that anyway. I mean, I get emails
all the time from folks and take the time to talk to them sometimes, and
they give me their ideas. And if -- I'm kind of the gatekeeper here, but
if they -- if they are -- sometimes those emails are sent to all of us, and
including the County Manager.
I've been -- coming from another government entity, I can't tell
you how impressed I am with the leadership here, and that's not
because I'm sitting here. It's impressive year by year; it just gets better.
The hires get better. You know, this organization, there's a huge
multi-million-dollar corporation in our community that likes the slogan
"moving forward." This government is moving forward. They don't
let grass grow underneath their feet, and they're always reaching for a
higher level.
So, you know, I understand. I'd like to ask you to give yourself
another year with this government to see -- before you decide on a
productivity committee, because I think as you learn more about the
staff and how they do things, I think -- and how they're not adverse to
change, which is huge, I think you'll find that they, indeed -- that a
productivity committee might end up being just a Finance Committee,
which is not what we want at all.
Because the proof of the pudding is in the financing, and I think
our finances are pretty darn good right now.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And, again, I mean, the proof
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in the pudding is in the finances, the proof in the pudding, and the
other -- the main rationale was to draw upon the community
knowledge. When Commissioner Saunders and I and Commissioner
Solis were coming through the election cycle last year, I heard it
resoundingly that our community would like to see some form of a
productivity committee coming back into our government system, and
this was -- this was just my way of answering out to the public that I
heard speaking on a regular basis.
And I don't see the deficit for having this. It's not going to happen
quickly. The way the -- with the way the structure of this is is each
one of us has to appoint a member, and that has to be ratified by this
board, and then there are two at-large members to this committee as
well.
So from a timing standpoint, we'll be lucky if we have this
committee actually established until the later part of the first quarter at
the current pace that we're on right now.
I don't see the deficit in having it, that's all.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Let me just -- maybe we can do it a
different way. It seems to me that if we just have this committee and
say, you know, go out and figure out how to be more efficient, I mean,
that is such a vague kind of direction. It seems to me that if there are
specific concerns that come up with certain divisions --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Use your microphone.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. I've had --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Give him a handheld.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- about all I can handle of the chairs.
That if there are certain departments or something that comes up
that we have concerns about and we hear that from the public, we hear
it from staff, whatever, I mean, we could appoint an ad hoc committee
of some kind for a specific function. You know, go look at Dr.
Yilmaz's department. I'm going to see if he looks up at me.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: He's smiling.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You know, to give it some focus.
Because my concern is, without some focus, I mean, it's sort of like my
brother, the surgeon, who doesn't go to the doctor because he says, you
know, if they're looking, they're finding.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well -- and I really think you
could draw that same parallel on a lot of different levels if you operate
on the assumption that there is a problem. I learned in the merger of
Greater Naples Fire Department and Big Corkscrew, the ad hoc
advisory committee that was established by those two boards to
facilitate that merger, there were unbelievably bright people. There's a
very nice man from Pelican Bay whose name escapes me at the
moment. But you should have heard what that fellow had to say to me
who was a logistics analyst for a multi-billion-dollar company that had
been brought out of his cave in order to express logistical suggestions
to enhance the productivity of the North Naples Fire Department.
And these are the kind of things that I think that I'm, ultimately --
that was the rationale that I brought this initiative forward so that --
because we have an untapped, underutilized wealth of knowledge
within our community, and for us to sit here and say everything's all
well and good, Madam Chair, is --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I'm not saying that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well -- and nor am I.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I'm not saying that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I'm not -- by the same
token, I'm not saying that anything is necessarily broke. I don't think
we lose by exploring this and tapping that wealth of knowledge that we
have within our community, so...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well -- and I like your example of
the fire district. But that -- I think that kind of goes to the point that
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I'm making is, okay, there was a -- it's fire fighting.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's logistics. We could have
the same discussion with facilities. We could have the same
discussion with Dr. Yilmaz's department. We could have the same
discussion with Steve Carnell's department.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. But that's what I'm saying.
So are we going to create a committee, and they're just going to decide
where to go and what department to start with? I'm just saying -- I'm
not saying this isn't needed or that -- I mean, because I think being
efficient is always -- and being more efficient is what we're here to do.
I'm just concerned with creating a committee that says, okay, you
know, figure out ways to be more efficient in a county government that
has over 50 divisions.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: How are you --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: The longest journey is started
with the first step --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- and that rationale. Just
because of it being an enormous task is not any reason to -- is not any
reason to pursue it.
And my thoughts are -- and, again, I'm not arguing with you. I
can understand your thoughts, but it is called the productivity
committee for a reason.
Madam Chair actually brought up a couple of good points. I
mean, most productive -- productivity decisions are made on a
financial basis, looking at the financial viability of an organization, and
then backing into enhancements of productivity that can ultimately
make you more financially stable.
So, yes, there is a portion of -- a large element of this that has to
do with the overall -- overall financing of an individual department.
So there is a large element of this that has to do with finance.
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But it's really important because I don't want our staff to be
having the perception that I'm thinking necessarily something is broke.
So with that I'll make a motion to approve the item as presented.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm going to second the
motion. I think all the comments have been very good. Let's go ahead
and advertise it, see what kind of public comment we get --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Ah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- and, you know, we don't
have to approve it. It's just a matter of coming back and having a
hearing where the public can come in and say, hey, this is a great idea,
this is a bad idea. Maybe even the manager will weigh in on it in terms
of --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: He's not going to.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: But I think it's worth
advertising and at least having the conversation. I know we've had a bit
of a conversation tonight, but it's a bit late, and I think we're all kind of
weary and probably not at our top best, so I'm going to second the
motion.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. There's a motion on the floor, a
second. All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed?
Aye, for the reasons stated.
Item #11D
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ACCEPTING THE LATEST TERMS NEGOTIATED BY THE
NAPLES CITY MANAGER AND COUNTY MANAGER FOR A
RENEWAL OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT GOVERNING
RECIPROCAL USE OF CITY AND COUNTY BEACH PARKING
FACILITIES AND PARK AND RECREATION PROGRAMS –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 11D. This is a
recommendation to accept the latest terms negotiated by the Naples
city manager and myself for renewal of the interlocal agreement
governing the reciprocal use of city and county beach parking facilities
and Parks and Recreation programs.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And, County Manager, the difference
between what we refused before and what's coming back before us is
$250,000; is that correct?
MR. OCHS: Yes. In dollars, yes. The other noteworthy point, I
think, for the Board is that the demand for the money in the city's last
proposal was effective January 1 of 2018 that money would be
forthcoming.
The renegotiated proposal is to have a four-year agreement with
that one-and-a-half million dollar annual payment beginning October 1
-- excuse me -- of 2018. They wanted the money January 1st. So
we're basically going to keep the current agreement in place except
we're going to recommend to you that we discontinue the sale of the
nonresident beach parking stickers effective this December 1st.
Sean, what else am I missing? Everything else is --
MR. CALLAHAN: I think you've got it, sir.
MR. OCHS: -- pretty much as we discussed.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: There is one other important
aspect. It's $1.5 million a year but there's no escalator.
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MR. OCHS: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So it will be a set fee for the
four years.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Well done; well done.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And there is a revenue
component that travels along with that for both the city and the county
for the nonresident passes.
MR. OCHS: Yes. For us we're hopeful, sir, that it will offset the
revenue we were getting in the sale of nonresident stickers. For the
city, I think it's a substantial amount of new revenue.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Let me just ask a question because
suddenly I've gotten a rash of emails.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's because you're in the north end.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. And, you know, I've been
getting emails from Lee County residents as to why -- you know, why
are you doing this? And those, unfortunately, you know -- you live in,
so I'm sorry. But I think one of the -- and this may be an unintended
consequence is what about all of the people that rent for the season in
Collier County? For example, in Naples Park and Vanderbilt and, you
know, these are people maybe that have been coming down that are
rent -- that rent every season, and now they're not going to be able to
get a beach parking pass. And so it's going to be $8 a day for them. I
don't -- you know, I hadn't really even thought of that. Are we
addressing that somehow?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's a very good point, but
we don't have any choice in this. The city has said we're going to end
the nonresident -- when I say "we," the city has said the city's going to
end the nonresident passes. So we have no ability to impact that. I
mean, we could reject the offer and not have any beach parking
program at all, but on the nonresidents' parking stickers, the city has
been adamant that they're not going to extend that.
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MR. OCHS: I think that's essentially their principal demand, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Could we offer a discounted
price for those that supply a temporary lease or anything along those
lines?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: What if somebody's on a -- got, you
know, a three-year lease or something? I mean --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Who's talking -- you know, I
got an email from one of our -- from one of our part-time residents that
comes here and rents, like you just -- like you just said, and --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Could we do something in the
unincorporated area for -- I mean, I'm just throwing this out there
because I honestly had not thought about this till recently.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I would just add a little
something. They already collect -- right off the top of all of taxpayers
in Collier County, they already collect CRA dollars to help rid them of
slum, blight, and crime, and that was enacted back in the early '90s.
They just extended that, not asking anyone at all. They extended that
for another 30 years. So they're getting well over $2 million a year off
of stuff that nobody even checks to find out if they're legally receiving
that dollars, and nobody complains. But they never say thanks for all
of you taxpayers giving us over $2 million in CRA dollars. So I'll just
throw that on the table. Interesting, isn't it?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I'm --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I don't see -- I don't see the
correlation.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Frankly, I'm confused.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Who's "they" receiving those
monies?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: The City of Naples.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, the city. Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sorry, the City of Naples.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No, I lost something.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So can we make an agreement, the
county, in the unincorporated area that won't trigger this renegotiation
again, sir?
MR. OCHS: No. They've put in the contract this time that one of
the elements of the contract is no sale of nonresident stickers by either
the city or the county.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Period, the end.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, we could sell nonresident
stickers for use in county facilities.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Nope.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure, we could. We just can't
sell those to be used in the city facilities.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. What we did -- we didn't differentiate in
the actual sticker that was issued for a non-county -- excuse me, a non-
county resident or a county resident. So the city would have no way to
differentiate if someone parked. So we'd have to get a different --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sticker.
MR. OCHS: -- sticker for the nonresident so that if they parked
in the city, the city could easily, you know, enforce that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And they'd have to be informed
when they bought that sticker that they can't -- they don't have free
parking inside the city limits.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. So all right. That's a possibility.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm not trying to upset the apple cart,
but I just -- this is something that's -- I've gotten a number of emails in
the last day about this, and it occurred to me that it's just -- I mean, I
can understand not -- I can understand the issue, but I don't know that I
had thought this, you know, rental --
MR. OCHS: I, frankly, don't think the city relishes the idea of
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issuing a bunch of --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Separate --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, wait a minute. Maybe I'm --
wait a minute. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of nothing. To get a
beach parking pass, you don't have to be -- you don't have to be a
landowner. You can be --
MR. CALLAHAN: That's correct, Commissioner. You have to
have a driver's license and registration here in Collier County. You
don't actually --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So you're hearing from the Airbnb
folks?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, it could be; that could be. I
was hearing from -- well, actually, tenants that were saying we're not
residents, but they could go get a parking pass, right? If they have a
lease or they have a utility bill or something and a driver's license, they
can't go get a --
MR. CALLAHAN: They would have to have a driver's license
and car registration that showed residency here in Collier County.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right.
MR. CALLAHAN: They wouldn't have to own land, but they
would have to have that driver's license and registration.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. I mean, they would have a
driver's license because they rent an apartment somewhere, and they
could go get one.
MR. CALLAHAN: If they have a Florida Driver's License that
shows residence in the county --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. A Collier County -- they have
a Collier County address on their driver's license, they can get one. It
doesn't matter if they own the place or not.
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MR. CALLAHAN: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I apologize for wasting everybody's
time.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There's no waste. You brought
up a really good point, and I think you were on point. And I don't
necessarily think this is a -- we're overcoming the actual issue that I
perceived that you were bringing up and -- because what Sean just got
done saying is that you have a part-time resident that rents for a couple
of months out of the year, three months, four months, whatever that is,
a short-term rental, they are not going to go get a Florida license with a
local address in order to facilitate the free beach parking pass, and they
aren't going to have a registration for the vehicle. It's still going to be
registered to whatever state it is that they came here from, so we're still
--
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Staying in Naples for the seasonal
tenants just got more expensive.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's all.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct. And I think maybe,
you know, what we could do, just to -- I'm all in favor of moving this
forward and accepting the agreement -- is have a look at it at the end of
the year just to see what the -- maybe we do need to develop our own
sticker for our unincorporated part-time residents and charge a reduced
fee outside of the limits of the city. I know it's a little bit more
administrative work, but that's something that we could have a look at,
even for our northern -- because, again, Commissioner Solis, I've
gotten several emails from folks from out of county, Lee County, and
Bonita that regularly use our beaches that aren't thrilled about not
being able to get a pass, so...
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Is there a motion? Was -- I don't
think there is a motion.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I'll make a motion to approve
--
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll second.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- the agreement as read.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Second. A motion and a second to
approve the agreement as outlined in the executive summary. Any
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously. Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, Commissioners.
Item #11E
AWARD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$1,943,585.04 TO MITCHELL & STARK CONSTRUCTION
COMPANY, INC. FOR INVITATION TO BID NO. 17-7201 CITY
GATE BOULEVARD NORTH EXTENSION, PHASE 3.
(PROJECT NOS. 60129 AND 50110) – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: That takes us to 11E. This is a recommendation to
award a construction contract in the amount of $1,943,585.04 to
Mitchell & Stark Construction for the Golden Gate -- excuse me --
City Gate Boulevard north extension project, and Mr. Ahmad is
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available to make a presentation or answer questions or take a motion.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: How about a motion to approve
instead.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And a second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. There's a motion and a second.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
MR. AHMAD: Thank you so much.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously. Thank you for
your patience with us today.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, Jay.
Item #11F
REAFFIRMING STAFF ADMINISTRATION OF THE STATE
HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) PROGRAM AS
ADMINISTRATIVE AND MINISTERIAL, ADOPT A $30,000
CASH ASSET LIMIT FOR APPLICANT HOUSEHOLDS, AND
DIRECT STAFF TO AMEND THE LOCAL HOUSING
ASSISTANCE PLAN (LHAP) ACCORDINGLY – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that moves us to Item 11F. This
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was previously Item 16D25 on your consent agenda, moved to the
regular agenda at Commissioner McDaniel's request.
This is a recommendation to reaffirm the staff administration of
the SHIP program as administrative and ministerial and adopt a
$30,000 cash asset limit for applicant households.
Ms. Grant will present.
MS. GRANT: Commissioners, good afternoon. Kim Grant,
Director of Community and Human Services.
I would just like to briefly explain the rationale behind the
$30,000. First, as you are aware, as a participating jurisdiction, we
have or you have authority over whether you set an asset limit or not.
We have not had one in our community up to this point, but you do
have the authority to set one.
Since we did not have one, we started our evaluation process by
looking at what other jurisdictions do. And as we reported in the
executive summary, about half the jurisdictions do have a cash asset
limit and about half do not.
We actually had a typo in the executive summary: 35 percent
have a limit of less than 10,000, not 15 percent; 41 percent have
between 10- and 30,000; and 24 percent of those who do have a limit
have more than 30,000.
So one factor informing us was that between 10- and 30,000 kind
of seemed to be the sweet spot, and under 30,000 were 76 percent of
the jurisdictions.
The next thing we did was look at our own experience, and at the
time we originally brought this forth, we took a look at the previous 20
closings in this program and looked at the total assets of the people
applying, and only one family had over $30,000. They had assets
before the transaction of $51,000.
So if we were to set a limit at 30,000 based on that sample, we
would have potentially one person that not quality or, depending on the
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exact dollars, perhaps they would have qualified.
The third thing we did was we looked at the recognition of what
we're trying to do here. We're trying to put people in homes. That's
the objective of the program. And, like all of us who enter
homeownership, we need to have funds available to us for home
repairs, and we also need funds available to us for things in life:
College for the kids, saving for retirement, et cetera.
So we did not think it was prudent to recommend an extremely
low asset cap because you take a lot of people out of the equation, and
you leave people with very little liquid funds going into
homeownership. Those are the three elements that caused us to
recommend $30,000.
We also recommend that the dollar asset limit that's set, 30,000,
or if you change the amount today, which you have the authority to do,
you're welcome to, is after the closing transaction. So if someone has
$50,000 liquid assets but they're planning to put $30,000 for down
payment, we would look at the cash asset after the transaction.
And, finally, Commissioners, since this was originally presented,
we've had the experience of dealing with applicants after Hurricane
Irma, and we have discovered that, in particular, a number of seniors
may have 50-, $100,000 liquid cash, but they have had
un-reimbursable expenses, and these people have cash that they plan to
live on.
So we are adding something from our recommendation in June
which is to exempt a cash asset limit for applications related to
hurricane recovery.
So I just wanted to give you a brief on the rationale as to why we
have presented what we have presented, and I'd be happy to take any
questions.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Any questions?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Who pulled it?
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'm the one that pulled it, and I
wanted to have a discussion about this because -- just because.
I know that the lending institutions, institutional lenders, have
criterion for requisites of down payment and creditworthiness and
money in the bank and the like, and I also know -- and I actually
wanted to hear you delineate again, if you would, please -- I think you
just briefly mentioned it -- but what I want to ensure is that these SHIP
and LAP funds end up going to folks that are truly in need. And we
don't have the prior circumstances where we weren't looking at
anything over on the asset column.
I'm a little concerned about your last statement with regard to --
specifically with regard to Hurricane Irma. I could see an exemption
for our aged population that has a different asset base and a level of
income that would allow them to qualify for this in a different manner,
an exemption for that group in totality, not just because of Irma
specifically.
But I wanted to ensure that the majority of these funds were
getting to the people that really, in fact, had a need. And I was more
concerned about a minimum amount of assets there to securitize the
transaction and make sure they had six months worth of mortgage
payments or some kind of capital available to be able to support them
after they actually made the acquisition than I was as much about the
upper limits.
And that's -- if you could please just repeat for me the
percentage-wise. Because you've got -- I think, if I recall, there are
percentages based upon the percentage of AMI earnings that you're
relegated to push this money towards.
MS. GRANT: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Say that again.
MS. GRANT: The program requires that 60 percent of the funds.
So if we take a million dollars, 600,000 has to be used to assist
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low-income households, which are persons earning less than 50
percent of the AMI.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Which is what?
MS. GRANT: Not persons; households --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Which is 63,800.
MS. GRANT: -- which is, at 50 percent, 31,400. So 60 percent
of the funds need to be spent on a family of three earning 31,400. Half
of that needs to be spent on very low income. Did I just say that
wrong? Is it 80 and 50? Pardon me. Let me back up.
Low income are those people who are AMI less than 80 percent,
and that income is 50,240.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MS. GRANT: And half of the 60 percent, so 300,000 in the
million example needs to be used on persons earning less than 50
percent, which is the 31,400. I keep saying "persons"; households.
The other 40 percent -- 10 percent goes to admin, so that leaves
you 30 percent, and that can be used per our LHAP for families
earning up to 120 percent, and the dollar amount there is 75,360.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll move for approval.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Second.
Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I'll just point out on the
record that, you know, I and my children never had anybody helping
us. We had to save our own money until we could put the money
down. It's nice that these people can get $30,000 and still have
$30,000 in the bank, yet they could buy a house for $1,000 down and
some sweat equity and it's theirs. It's not like they would have to do
without a house. And I just -- it just hits me wrong.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Me, too. I mean -- and for
purposes of discussion, there again, you're not that far off
generationally for those of us that had to -- didn't have this type of an
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opportunity for down payment assistance.
I think I bought my first home in the early '80s and, you know, we
had a program for first-time homebuyers for PMI insurance assistance
and those sort of things that were generated through the county just to
allow first-time home purchasers an opportunity to get into the
marketplace, but something like this wasn't even there, so...
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You know, there's a certain amount
of pride that anyone gets when you've saved enough money to put your
down payment on your house. I mean, there's -- and then you feel like,
man, I have worked so hard, and I've earned this all on my own.
There's a certain feeling of pride that people who are just given this
probably will never feel but -- I don't agree with it so, of course, I can't
vote for that, because I think it's way over done.
And, by the way, these people aren't even -- well, I'll skip that. I
just feel that they know that the money's there and ready to be doled
out and they know how to get it, so we're going to give it to them.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: There's a motion on the floor and a
second. All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries 4-1.
Item #11G
FUNDING A TOURISM DIVISION SPONSORSHIP FOR A POST
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HURRICANE IRMA CONCERT EVENT IN THE DOWNTOWN
NAPLES AREA UP TO $125,000, MOVE THESE FUNDS TO THE
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION FOR EVENT EXPENSE
DISBURSEMENT AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS ITEM
PROMOTES TOURISM - MOTION TO APPROVE W/WAIVER
OF THE PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE IN REGARDS TO
SOLICITING MCQUAID AND COMPANY – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 11G. That
was an add-on item at the staff's request to seek approval of a
recommendation to fund a tourism division sponsorship for a
Community Foundation post-Hurricane Irma concert event in
Downtown Naples of up to $125,000, approve and authorize the Chair
to sign a memorandum of understanding with the Community
Foundation, and make a finding that this item promotes tourism.
And I know Mr. Wert has been working on a few thoughtful
amendments to this --
MR. WERT: Yes, that's correct.
MR. OCHS: -- item during the day. So I'll ask him to go over the
details.
MR. WERT: Thank you, County Manager.
Good afternoon, Jack Wert, your Tourism Director, for the
record.
This concert that we have been talking about December the 9th,
Saturday night, is getting into its final stages, but what we want to do
now is put into an agreement all of the terms and conditions. And
we've been going through a number of changes yet today. We had
provided, right after lunch, a revised version of the MOU and also the
executive summary.
Since then we've had to make a couple of additional changes in
talking to the Community Foundation, which is our partner to take the
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proceeds and also the contributions to the most needy folks in our
community as a result of Hurricane Irma. They asked for a couple of
additional changes, so we've had to make those changes since.
So if I might, let me go ahead and distribute those. I just got
them.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think I've got two copies so
far.
MR. WERT: I'm going to give you -- you can disregard what
you've got. Yes, do that, and I'll give you new stuff.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Is there going to be a disclosure of
who it is?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Not yet.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Not yet?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No, we've got to pay them first, and
then we'll do it.
MR. WERT: Okay. So that's -- let's, first of all, talk about the
executive summary, because that is the mechanism that we are
requesting approval from all of you to move $125,000 from our
tourism -- tourist tax reserve funds, moving to the Community
Foundation to help us in the processing of funds.
These funds -- that $125,000 would be used for the operating
costs of this concert, and those are outlined in the budget that's
attached. Those are the -- and I will just ask you -- this was a
last-minute change. That total should be $175,000, and it's because we
had to add $1,000 in there for the insurance up under the operating. So
that becomes $1,500 instead of 500, and that raises the total cost, then,
to 175,000.
That's our best estimate at this point of what the various operating
costs would be, the entertainment costs, the promotion of the event,
and event staff cost.
And we're very pleased that -- and part of this executive summary
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that I'm going to do next, we'll actually acknowledge those waiver of
the EMS cost by Collier County EMS, and then the -- our security cost
from the Seminole County Sheriff's Department who has agreed to
waive their fees and actually donate their fees.
So that's the overall purpose of the executive summary. It goes
through the fact that we will also issue a purchase order to McQuaid &
Company, who is the production company, up to 15,500. That's going
to cover some costs that they will be incurring directly for the cash
management of the ticket sales and that type of thing and insurance,
those types of issues.
The balance of those will be then paid -- of the operating
expenses will be paid by the Community Foundation from our
sponsorship dollars of actually now 109,500 is what would be going to
them. So that's the executive summary.
The memorandum of understanding, which is up on the screen
now, the whereases have just been changed slightly to reflect the fact
that McQuaid & Company is the production company and that the
Community Foundation's role is really just in paying bills of the
operating expenses and then managing all of the contributions that will
come from the citizens and the attendees at the event, which would,
then, be managed by them totally to send to those most needy
unfunded needs that we still have in the community as a result of
Hurricane Irma.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: In tandem with in the United Way?
MR. WERT: Yes, absolutely. That Irma Relief Fund is a joint
effort with the Community Foundation and the United Way of Collier
County. So, jointly, they will make those decisions where those dollars
-- the charitable donations would go.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Saunders?
MR. WERT: So a little bit confusing, but maybe I can answer
questions.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. I've got a couple
questions. I'll tell you, I'm a little concerned. This sounds really great.
It's going to be a fun night. It's going to be a fun concert, but I'm not
so sure we should be using tourist taxes for this, and I need to get a
little bit of a foundation for supporting this.
Generally, we try to create opportunity for room nights. I don't
know if there's been any estimation as to who's going to come to this.
Are we going to get a lot of -- two questions. Are we going to get
out-of-town visitors staying in our hotels and, number two, are we
going to get some kind of TV coverage, some national coverage? And
if we can't have a positive answer to those two questions, then I have a
concern.
MR. WERT: Okay. To answer the first part of the question, we
will be promoting this event out of the area so around Florida, around
the nation, really, using digital advertising and social media to really
push this. Our community is open and ready for business. Come on
down and celebrate with us for this event. So that's the mechanism
we'll use to attract out-of-the-area folks to come and stay in hotels.
Certainly a lot of locals will come as well, and we understand that.
So our funding is really only a portion of what we need to put on
the event. We anticipate the $125,000 is our contribution for that
promotion, and tourist tax dollars can be used for entertainment and
those types of expenses if it's part of an event. And the purpose, then,
is to bring people back to the community. So it really is a tourism
promotion effort.
We certainly want you to suggest, as part of the recommendation,
that it does promote tourism, that the event does that, and that the
promotion we'll use outside of the area will be our mechanism to bring
folks into the community.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: There'll be -- obviously,
there'll be an additional promotion cost.
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MR. WERT: Above and beyond this, we would be doing that out
of our -- and some of that is our hurricane relief money that you
allocated to us earlier. We had $175,000 from our -- to our advertising
agency to help after Irma advertising. This -- those dollars will come
out of that. We'll also use some of the 75,000 that we allocated to our
public relations firm in New York to help us on the promotion side.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: What kind of estimated cost do
you have for all of that portion of this?
MR. WERT: Right now it's $7,500 for the social media; $7,500
we'll also be using regionally because we've been talking to Waterman
Broadcasting, and they're interested in being our local media sponsor.
So we will put some -- $7,500 toward some spots in the region, and
they will match that in more promotions. So we'll have quite a bit of
regional promotion as well.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: As well as?
MR. WERT: As well as the out of market -- in our feeder
markets, like the Palm Beaches, Miami, Orlando, Clearwater, St. Pete
and -- let's see. Sarasota would be also areas that we'll be doing that
social and digital media.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, I think, you
know, obviously, this is going to be a nice event. I'm just not 100
percent sure that we should be spending tourist taxes on the promotion
-- not on the -- on the actual expense side of it. And this is just,
obviously, a conversation. I mean, we have -- obviously, we have
some major expenses in terms of the beaches and everything, and I'm
just wondering if this really is a wise expenditure of the -- was it
125,000? Is that --
MR. WERT: 125- would come from our tourist tax, yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'd like to kind of hear what
everybody has to say, because I'm a little troubled by it. And maybe I
shouldn't be.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah, I don't think you should be. One
out of every six people in the state of Florida is employed by tourism.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, that's not -- not the issue.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: After Hurricane Irma landed -- no.
After Hurricane Irma landed, folks that travel were told by people they
would meet in Washington, D.C., and Atlanta that, indeed, the eye
came to Naples. Naples must be closed.
We know right now that that's when folks in the northeast and in
the Midwest, they book here. They book for here. They make their
plans in advance.
So this is a way of announcing to -- nationally, but also, more
importantly, within the state of Florida that if the eye of the hurricane
came through Naples and we're rocking, think about what the rest of
Florida is. This is not just a Naples issue. This is about a message
going out that Naples and Florida is open for tourism, which is one of
the reasons the Governor's in Toronto and places like that marketing.
It's a strong in-tandem marketing effort of our community to
make sure that people understand that the beaches are open. Tuesday
after the storm I had -- I met with some television network. I took
them to the beach. I wanted them to see that those beaches were open,
because I know what the rumors are and what -- and they have been,
unfortunately, confirmed.
It also will bring folks in here -- the concept would be -- and I
think Mr. Wert's working on it -- to have hotels offer specials on the
weekend to segue it in to come down to Fifth Avenue and enjoy what's
on Fifth Avenue after the music is over. We're Naples, right? We
don't rock until 1:00 o'clock in the morning. We're going to finish this
probably 9:30, 10:00, and it's done. Where are they going to go
afterwards?
So it is -- it has always -- the genesis of this has always, always
been to market Naples. Having the eye and it's open, and we can
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function and we can throw a great party, and to have it, indeed,
marketed throughout Florida. But the best part is is that the money's
going to go to the unmet needs; you know, the net proceeds will go to
the unmet needs of the hardest hit hurricane areas: Immokalee,
Everglades City, Chokoloskee.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I know how important tourism
is to the state of Florida, so I do appreciate the information on that. It's
not a question of whether this is a good cause, because it is, obviously.
Should we be spending tourist tax dollars for the -- not for the
promotion part, but for the actual expenses, or should this come out of
our General Fund?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Did this not come before the TDC?
MR. WERT: Tourist Development Council did review this at
their October 23rd meeting, and they did recommend your approval. I
believe the vote was 6-1, so it did have that support.
I might, Commissioner, just make one other point, and I have an
opportunity tomorrow, actually; we have the LPGA event here at
Tiburon this week, and I'm going to be cutting a spot tomorrow with
the National Television Network to talk about the community is open
and so forth, and I'm going to put a plug in for this concert as part of
that little talk I'm going to do tomorrow. So that will get national
coverage. We'll be on with that message across the nation.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any other discussion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I, as well, had -- I was
wondering how this ended up being a walk-on, and that was one of my
questions, has the TDC actually reviewed this and/or approved or not
and how it ended up having to be a walk-on without coming through
the normal process.
MR. WERT: The simple answer is it truly has taken up until
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virtually yesterday to get all of the permitting, find the acts, acts that
were available and so forth to fit our budget. So it really has taken all
of that time since we got the recommendation from the TDC to move
forward that, you know, we could use -- from their point of view, use
these dollars. So it has just taken that long. And I do apologize. I hate
last-minute stuff, too, but this really did take all of that time to get it
done.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That was my other comment,
Jack. My other note up here is walk-ins -- walk-ons are not good,
especially --
MR. WERT: We don't like those either --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- especially when I'm having
to look at budgetary constraints or budgetary items. I share
Commissioner Saunders' concern with the expenditure of the TDT
funds on operational expenses. I understand the worthiness of the
cause, and I'm really pleased to hear that the excess proceeds are going
to go to those that were stricken the worst by Hurricane Irma.
I did have a couple of questions with regard to the budget, and it's
something for us to maybe talk about at some stage. I know -- you
know, first off, I question the $7,500 social media expense. That
seems to be inordinately high. From my knowledge, you would
develop multiple websites for that amount of money.
MR. WERT: Sure.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And that seems to be high,
personally. I asked about -- I'd like to ask about the headliners,
because they're mentioned in here in your --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Can't talk about it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Can't tell? It's a secret? How
you going to sell tickets?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No. When we -- when we --
MR. WERT: If we have the money, we --
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- have the money and we can seal the
deal, then, believe me, everybody will know.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Gotcha. So it's --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It's going to be fun.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How come you know and we don't
know?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah. Secret keeper.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Well, because I'm intimately involved.
It's going to be fun. It's going to be so much fun.
MR. WERT: Commissioner, on your question about social
media, I agree, social media is a very inexpensive way to promote.
What we've been having success with lately is Facebook paid posts
and doing live Facebook posts, and those you have to pay for. You've
got to boost those. So that's what --
(Multiple speakers speaking.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's a lot of boosting.
MR. WERT: Well, if you're going national, no, that's not true.
It's how big an area you want. And so we -- again, these are estimated
costs.
I'm pretty frugal when it comes to the tourism budget. So we will
only pay out what we actually feel we have to, so we'll manage that,
yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You're pretty frugal, but that TDC,
they hold it and guard it with their lives. And when they -- after they
all discussed it and they felt it was a good idea -- and they don't let
loose of those strings very easily, then I felt -- I didn't participate in
that. I just wanted to hear what they had to say, and so I went along
with it and voted with them; just add that to this little conversation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, thank you. Because I was
going to ask you, aren't you the Chair of the TDC.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. But I don't know who their --
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who the entertainment is or anything.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We didn't know then. We didn't know.
This is --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And the only other question I
had, Jack, was what happens if we don't fund this, if this isn't funded
out of TD -- is the Community Foundation going to fund these
expenses as well?
MR. WERT: No. They would only receive our funding and
receive other sponsorship dollars and pay out then the operating
expenses.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So if we don't approve this, this
event does not occur?
MR. WERT: That's really true; yes, that's correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Madam Chair, I'm going to
support the expenditure, because to do otherwise at this point is sort of
pulling the rug out from a lot of folks.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Boy, oh, boy.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: But it raises a serious concern
in terms of how we're spending our TDC funds. And I understand all
the advertising and understand the need to get the word out that Collier
County's open for business, and we're doing that. But now we're
talking about supporting a specific event. I think the more appropriate
source of funds for something like this would be our General Fund,
because we're making a contribution to people that were hurt in the
hurricane.
And so at some point I'm going to want to start taking a look at
some of -- you know, how we're spending those dollars, because I am
concerned. I just think that this is a --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: One of the best things about having the
Community Foundation as the umbrella financial -- and I have to be
very careful of my words. But, you know, Community Foundation is
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-- they're totally transparent. And one of the best things, this is a
community effort, and the Foundation is not taking any fees. Usually
there's an administrative fee with the Community Foundation. They
have waived that. The Sheriff has waived --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second the motion.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay, good. All right.
MR. KLATZKOW: Before you vote, I've got to get this on.
There's a typo in your fiscal impact, Jack.
MR. WERT: Okay.
MR. KLATZKOW: The cost for McQuaid is 15,500?
MR. WERT: 15,500, yes.
MR. KLATZKOW: Okay. Now, which brings up the purchasing
issue, because at that level normally you'd have to solicit it. So I'm
going to have to ask the Board, as part of your motion, to waive that
provision in your purchasing ordinance.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Even though we made the
contribution to the Community Foundation and all contracts and
everything with regard to the event? I know they delineated it in here,
but it's almost superfluous information.
MR. KLATZKOW: No. The issue is the payment to McQuaid.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I understand that.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Production company.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Isn't the community -- the
Community Foundation's going to do that with this bequeath from us?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, we're making the check
directly to them.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Who made the motion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders made
the motion.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No. I didn't make the motion.
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I'm going to support the motion --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- because of the lateness of
this, but...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll make a motion that we approve
the expenditure for the Naples rocking concert and that we waive the
ordinance for purposes of the payment to McQuaid & Company --
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes. Waive the requirement of soliciting.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- for soliciting the bids for those
services and that we pay McQuaid & Company the $15,500.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second it for discussion.
But I just -- I just would like to -- if I may discuss. And that is, if
the Community Foundation is the organizing entity and they operate --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: They're not.
MR. WERT: They aren't.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: They just handle the money.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: They're not the organizing.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
MR. WERT: McQuaid is really the organizing production
company.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Why is the Community
Foundation, who apparently is going to pay these other undisclosed
vendors and fees that travel along with this operation, why are they not
just accepting our $125,000 contribution for this event and taking care
of this and not put -- I don't feel comfortable in waiving the ordinance
for procurement.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We've already done it on the consent
agenda for another item today.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That was on the -- that had to
do with our EMS, wasn't it?
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Uh-uh.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Which one was that? I don't
even remember now. I don't remember waiving.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It had to do with -- Metro -- okay.
16A16, which is Metro Forecasting Models determining growth.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, that was for the model.
That's right. I'll second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: The Community Foundation doesn't
have the capability nor the expertise to be a production company.
McQuaid & Associates does. So they have graciously agreed to pay
the bills, receive the money, and then to distribute money. And it was
recommended by Mr. Summers. When I went to him I said, who best
-- how do we -- you know, we're going to -- we want money -- we
want to support the hardest hit areas. How do we do this? He said
Community Foundation/United Way, hardest hit areas, unmet needs.
Those were his words.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So who's actually putting this thing
together then? It sounds like you are working --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: McQuaid. I'm working with McQuaid
& Associates.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, but did they come to you, or
who went to McQuaid?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: I went to them.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. So then who are you working
with in order to go to McQuaid? I mean, what --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Who am I working --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- prompted this idea?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Right after the hurricane the Governor
called me. He said, Penny, one out of every six -- one out of every six
people in the state of Florida is employed by tourism. We need to get
our tourists back. Send me a plan.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay. So I knew that there had
to be something more than just McQuaid. Okay.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Oh, yeah. This came kind of, what I
call, from on high. This was, get tourism going, get tourism going.
And then I start asking people, and I hear that, oh, Naples it closed.
You know, the beaches are closed; they're bad. When people are
traveling, they're coming back and -- because I'm specifically asking
people. It can't be -- we can't have that going around, but it is. So that's
what happened. That's the genesis of it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I won't ask any questions now. I just
had to know where it all came from.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: No, you can ask questions.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I don't want to ask any more.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All right. There's a motion on the
floor. Did you second it, sir?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. Motion. Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel, on
the waiver of the bidding that was on the consent agenda, that was the
finding that that was a single-source provider?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And so it's not uncommon to
waive competitive bidding when there's a single source. So that's the
difference between that and what we just did.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you for that
distinguishment.
Item #11H
WAIVING EMS SPECIAL EVENT USER FEES IN THE
AMOUNT OF $900.00 TO PROVIDE DEDICATED
AMBULANCE COVERAGE FOR THE “NAPLES IS ROCKIN’
CONCERT” BEING HELD TO INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT
COLLIER COUNTY IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND
ENCOURAGING TOURISM AFTER HURRICANE IRMA, AND
TO FIND A PUBLIC PURPOSE IN WAIVING SUCH FEES –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to 11H, and that's a
related item. It's a recommendation to waive the EMS special event
user fees in the amount of $900.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Move to approve.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
Item #11I
AWARDING RFP #17-7120 FOR TOURISM MIDWEST SALES
REPRESENTATION TO SYNERGY-CONNECT, LLC, EXECUTE
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY APPROVED CONTRACT IN THE
AMOUNT OF $81,500 AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS
ITEM PROMOTES TOURISM – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: 11I is an item that was moved from the consent
agenda at Commissioner Taylor's request. This is a recommendation
to award RFP #17-7120 for Tourism Midwest Sales' representation to
Synergy Connect, LLC.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I'll -- Mr. Wert, I'm glad you're
there. There's just -- and I read what you wrote, and I understand it,
but I thought that Debbie DeBenedetto is our Midwest salesperson.
MR. WERT: No. Actually, Debbie is our staff group sales --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. WERT: -- director for our division.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. WERT: And this position would be a contracted position in
the Midwest to assist her in getting more business from the Midwest.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. And so my concern was that
they're a startup. Now, I understand that there's some experience, but it
is a startup company.
Is it possible -- and I'm asking, and I don't -- I'm not sure that it is.
But is it possible to go to places like the Ritz and the Marriott --
because we know that their group is their -- the heart of their business.
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We know that that's very important to them -- to get recommendations
of soliciting again and maybe actually notifying certain areas or certain
entities of that, because it's extraordinary that only one responded.
That's what caught my eye.
MR. WERT: I'm going to ask Debbie to come up and talk about
that --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. WERT: -- but where this really started was the hotels
salespeople said, we need more help in the Midwest. We need more
leads from that area. We suggest that the Convention and Visitors
Bureau contract with someone in the Midwest to do that.
I think the quick answer is, if you sent out -- if you asked the
hotels, they're going to give you certain -- we did that, and we actually
-- and Debbie reached out to a lot of people, and we advertised on
certain websites where these kind of folks, you know, read ads and so
forth. None of that seemed to worked. We actually extended this
twice to give more people time.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I read that. I was just --
MR. WERT: And so when this -- when we finally saw this bid --
Debbie knows these folks very well, and she's met them, knows their
reputation. They have a good database of people.
So, Debbie, do you want to add to -- oh, I'm sorry. She's on the
other side.
MS. DeBENEDETTO: Debbie DeBenedetto, for the record,
Tourism Sales and Marketing Manager.
And, yes, I am the only group sales manager for the entire tourism
office, so I handle the world but, basically, it's national. So I do need
some help.
And this particular Midwest rep, we wanted somebody that was in
the location where our business, you know -- there's a lot of business
there, somebody that could be there so they wouldn't have the travel
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expenses going back and forth, who's a local member of the MPIs and
the sites and those kinds of things.
So this company is that. All of these -- the three ladies that run
this company, they've all had experience in this market, worked with
the market very, very closely. So I'm really pleased with the result we
got. The RFP process with the county is very complicated.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yes.
MS. DeBENEDETTO: So while I got a lot of people sending me
resumes and that sort of thing, they really didn't know how to fulfill the
RFP for this.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: So it's the government aspect?
MS. DeBENEDETTO: So it was complicated enough after 11
months of process. This should have been in our 2017 marketing plan.
That's what it was intended for. We started it in January. It just took
this long to make it happen. So to delay it further would not be a
benefit to Collier County tourism.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I don't want to delay it further.
Just -- I guess just another question. It's a year lease -- or a year lease --
excuse me -- a year contract?
MS. DeBENEDETTO: I think it's a three-year.
MR. WERT: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Three-year contract. But you can
review it and --
MS. DeBENEDETTO: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Fine. Okay. I'm fine with it. I'd like to
make a motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries unanimously.
Thank you.
MS. DeBENEDETTO: Thank you.
MR. WERT: Thank you, Commissioners, for your support. We
really appreciate that.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
Item #11J
DIRECTING STAFF TO ADVERTISE, AND BRING BACK FOR
A PUBLIC HEARING, AN ORDINANCE TO EXTEND THE
TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON CANNABIS DISPENSING
FACILITIES FROM DECEMBER 31, 2017 TO JUNE 30, 2018 –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 11J that was
previously 16A21 on your agenda. This was a recommendation to
direct staff to advertise and bring back for a public hearing an
ordinance to extend the temporary moratorium on cannabis dispensing
facilities from -- excuse me -- from December 31, 2017, to June 30,
2018, and Commissioners Solis and McDaniel wanted to comment on
this.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I just -- I was going to pass it,
but I wanted it to be recorded that I was not in consent of extension of
the moratorium. But I understand the rationale behind it, and -- but I
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just wanted it noted that I wasn't interested in extending it, so...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. I'm not really interested in
extending it either. I think the original discussion we had was to
extend the moratorium through the end of the year to see if the
legislature would clarify what we were -- what we should be doing.
I still have a fundamental problem with having a -- it's something
that's now a constitutional right under the Florida Constitution that we
can opt out of allowing in Collier County. It just doesn't make any
sense to me. So I'm not in favor of extending it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Let me -- if you don't mind. Let me
explain what's happened. A very articulate and direct letter was sent to
the department, I think it's the Department of Health, in Florida by
Drug Free Collier. They asked me to review it, and I -- it was inquiry
basically that said, okay, so if -- could we possibly, if we made sure
that the people that need this substance are -- they have it, can we
deliver this rather than have it a dispensary, an actual physical, would
you allow this? They never responded.
When they called me, they went through -- and I tried to -- I
asked them about -- you know, tried to bring them back to the central
question of it, and they basically never gave me an answer. And then I
said, could you possibly write what you just told me so that I can
distribute it to my colleagues, and I've not yet to get the answer.
So I think the thought of us extending it is to let the legislature
meet in January and wrestle with it again, because I'm hoping they
will, and then we -- and see what comes of it.
But no one knows what we're doing here, and that's the scary part.
It's home rule gone out the door.
Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The -- I'm going to support
extending the moratorium for two reasons: One, if we open the door to
a dispensary, then the door's wide open, and the only control we have
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is that dispensaries can only go where regular pharmacies are
permitted, which in Collier County is just about every corner.
So that's a problem, and the legislature has to fix that. And there's
a lot of pressure on the legislature to do that. There are a lot of
communities that are saying no to dispensaries, not because they don't
want a dispensary in their community, but they just don't want a large
number of them. And I've gotten phone calls from people from around
the country saying, hey, we'd like to open a dispensary and, of course,
that's a little bit of a concern.
The big issue is whether or not patients can get medical marijuana
in Collier County, and the answer is that they can. There's a
dispensary -- I think there may be two, but there's at least one
dispensary in Lee County that distributes in Collier County, and I
believe there's a dispensary -- and, again, maybe more than one -- in
Miami that provides the medical marijuana here in Collier County.
The statute -- and I don't know, Jeff, if you're familiar with the
statute, but I believe the statute sets a maximum fee for what the
courier can charge, and the courier has to be actually from the
dispensary. So the dispensary couriers the medical marijuana to the
patient. I believe if it's within a certain distance, it may be within 10
miles of the dispensary it's one fee, and if it's further than that, then it's
a separate fee, but it's set.
And so to alleviate, perhaps, your concern, medical marijuana is
available, and it's just a matter of paying, you know, a delivery fee.
So that's my concern. So I'm going to support extending this for
that six months. If the legislature doesn't fix it, then we're going to
have to have another conversation, because I agree that we should have
a dispensary or more in Collier County. I just don't want to have a
proliferation of them, and that's the concern.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Don't the dispensaries -- the
dispensaries have to be licensed by the state?
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And it's all got to be vertically
integrated, so I don't think --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: They're called ticketholders; 17
of them.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. I mean, it's not going to be
like -- well, I guess -- yeah, there's a CVS on almost every corner,
that's true.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It's the location. Not necessarily that
they would replace it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Different entities, yeah.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah. There's a formula, but still at the
same time --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I see what you're saying.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: -- you know, there's a Walgreens
within walking distance of Naples High School. In fact, it's the
backdoor of Naples High School.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Madam Chair, the statute
precludes that. If we were to allow the dispensaries, there is specificity
in the statute that delineates where these can be.
I'm concerned -- and I went and met with Ray Rodriguez before
about this before the storm and expressed my dissatisfaction. As you
know, I've been very consistent, I've been very consistent in how I've
been voting on this item.
And as Commissioner Solis expressed, I believe this was -- this
was voted on by the electorate. It is now a part of our Constitution.
For the record, I voted against it when it came up on the ballot not
because of the issue but because I don't believe it's a constitutional
item. I believe this should have been handled legislatively.
But all that not -- all that having been said, the legislation that
came from the State I feel was very poorly written. There was nothing
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in the question that we, the electorate, got to vote on that said that local
municipalities were going to be able to opt out and ban these
dispensaries. There wasn't anything in the question at all.
That was done by Mr. Morgan in the campaign to promote this.
He said it on TV. I'm sure he was getting pressure from some of his
people with regard to that, and he said it on TV. And the legislature
reacted to that statement that he would -- that local municipalities
would actually be able to ban them.
And then, of course, they came forward with the delineation
where, when, and how and preempted us from doing anything else,
which put me in a very compromising position because, like it or not, it
is a constitutional amendment, and it was voted on by 70-plus percent
of the residents of the state of Florida to be a constitutional
amendment. We're all well aware that medical marijuana can be
dispensed. It can be delivered. But that wasn't either part of the
question.
And as much as anything, I understand, Commissioner Taylor,
the rationale about it being legal and it can, in fact, be dispensed, but
the electorate didn't vote on that aspect of it. So that's the reason that
I'm not in support of continuing the ban, but I can understand the
rationale for doing it and hopefully, hopefully, the legislature will
come up with some language that allows us to put some stipulation in
to make sure -- limit the number.
I mean, I've seen some pretty decent statistics that show the
viability from a number of these that we can actually implement to
allow it to go forward.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: A quick question for the
County Attorney.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You were going there okay. Go
ahead.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. In terms of, I know --
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in terms of some of these moratoria, I think the recommendation has
been that there should be a supermajority vote to do that. In this
particular case, do we need a supermajority vote, in your view, to --
because, in effect, it's somewhat of a land-use issue.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And there's another legal issue I was
thinking of, too. I'm sorry, were you done?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I don't know what the
answer is, but --
MR. KLATZKOW: Typically in a moratorium, it would require
four votes. But this is such an out-of-the-box issue, quite frankly, with
this legislation that I think three votes is fine.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And we would be okay with
extending this moratorium six months?
MR. KLATZKOW: I will tell you --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: We're past a year now.
MR. KLATZKOW: I will tell you that I'm not without some
concern, so I did take a look at what other counties are doing and other
municipalities are doing, and a lot of people are extending the
moratorium, and it's basically because of State inaction.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah.
MR. KLATZKOW: The State was required, required, to have
regulations in place months ago, and they have not done so.
For example, one of the issues we have is we have someone who
wants to apply for a license with Collier County, but they want to grow
it in Collier County as well, and we don't know where they can do it.
Is this an agricultural use? Is this an industrial use? And the State's
not been helpful as far as their regulations, because they have none.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I mean --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's going to pass 3-2.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm not happy with it, but I guess I'll
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support it, I mean, if we need a supermajority.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: 4-1, it looks like.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: But I think if the legislature doesn't
do anything --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah, then what?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- in six months, we're going to have
to deal with this somehow one way or the other.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Well, we're going to know in a couple
months, right? January, February, March.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, we'll deal with it by the
end of March. As soon as the legislature's over.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah. So --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And as soon as we get -- let's assume
that they're going to go and answer all the questions and really figure
this thing out, we can come back in March. We don't have to wait till
June.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: We could come back in March and
figure something out. Okay. I'm in favor -- I'll support it.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. So any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: There's a motion on the floor and a
second to extend the moratorium until -- for another six months.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: From December 31st.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: From December the 31st, from the --
MR. KLATZKOW: Okay. We'll advertise it for that. We'll be
fine.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What did you say?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: We'll advertise it.
MR. KLATZKOW: We need to advertise this, so it will come
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back to you next time.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those opposed, like sign.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries 4-1.
Item #15
STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
MR. OCHS: Madam Chair, that takes us to Item 15, staff and
commission and general communications.
I have nothing except to wish the Board a Happy Thanksgiving.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Happy Turkey Day, yes.
MR. OCHS: And safe travels to anyone who's traveling.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: County Attorney Klatzkow?
MR. KLATZKOW: I have nothing, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Mr. Miller?
MR. MILLER: Nothing, ma'am. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Ms. Kinzel?
MS. KINZEL: No. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you. Happy
Thanksgiving to everyone, and safe travels if you are.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I just got that notification that
Leo sent to all of us that he received from somebody or another that
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says that -- about the Rivera golf course, and I'm thinking, you know, I
still feel that we did wrong in at our vote. Of course, I voted against it,
so I couldn't reconsider it, but I think we ought to be thinking about a
public golf course.
I got so many emails about it and wishing that we had had a
public golf course. I'm sure you did, too, because if I got them, you
guys got them. And I really wish we could talk about that one more
time.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think we can. I believe we
voted to not purchase any at that juncture but look at them individually
as they came forward to us.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Did we say that?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think so. Somebody -- I have
a memory issue, but --
MR. OCHS: No, you're correct, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Say that again.
MR. OCHS: You're correct.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There we go.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Could we discuss that one more time
then?
MR. OCHS: Well, let me get some analysis of it first, and if it's a
straight-out offer of a sale to the Board, we'll bring that forward.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. And I had recalled that
that's how we had voted.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I'm so glad.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We didn't want to --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Just a Happy Thanksgiving. Safe
travels.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's what I meant to say, too. And
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Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Say it here.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I've got three items, but
because of the shortness of human life, I'm going to pass until
December.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Shortness of human life.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Shortness of what?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Human life.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Human life.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I want to wish everybody a
Happy Thanksgiving as well. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: And I echo my colleagues up here.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, everyone. And this meeting is
adjourned.
**** Commissioner Saunders moved, seconded by Commissioner
Solis and carried that the following items under the Consent and
Summary Agendas be approved and/or adopted ****
Item #16A1
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR LAGOMAR AT FIDDLER’S CREEK REPLAT,
PL20160000440, AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY
MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES
PERFORMANCE SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION
BOND IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $7,147.10 TO THE
PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED
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AGENT – THE FACILITIES WERE FOUND SATISFACTORY
AND ACCEPTABLE DURING A FINAL INSPECTION
CONDUCTED BY STAFF AND PUBLIC UTILITIES ON
AUGUST 29, 2017
Item #16A2
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES FOR
PARKLANDS, PHASES 1-3, PL20150002492, AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – THE FACILITIES
WERE FOUND SATISFACTORY AND ACCEPTABLE DURING
A FINAL INSPECTION CONDUCTED BY STAFF AND PUBLIC
UTILITIES ON AUGUST 23, 2017
Item #16A3
RESOLUTION 2017-207: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PRIVATE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR
THE FINAL PLAT OF FAITH LANDING PHASE ONE,
APPLICATION NUMBER AR-12639; ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PLAT DEDICATIONS, AND AUTHORIZING THE RELEASE OF
THE MAINTENANCE SECURITY
Item #16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
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FOR PARKLANDS, PHASE 4, PL20150002596, AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – THE FACILITIES
WERE FOUND SATISFACTORY AND ACCEPTABLE DURING
A FINAL INSPECTION CONDUCTED BY STAFF AND PUBLIC
UTILITIES ON AUGUST 17, 2017
Item #16A5
RESOLUTION 2017-208: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE
ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE
FINAL PLAT OF FAITH LANDING PHASE TWO,
APPLICATION NUMBER PL20130001663; ACCEPTANCE OF
THE PLAT DEDICATIONS, AND AUTHORIZING THE
RELEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE SECURITY
Item #16A6
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR GOLF CLUB OF THE EVERGLADES PHASE 1-1, 1-2, 1-3
AND VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD FORCE MAIN
EXTENSION, PL20160000085, AND TO AUTHORIZE THE
COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE
FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO
THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER’S
DESIGNATED AGENT – THE FACILITIES WERE FOUND
SATISFACTORY AND ACCEPTABLE DURING A FINAL
INSPECTION CONDUCTED BY STAFF AND PUBLIC
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UTILITIES ON JUNE 16, 2017
Item #16A7
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF THE POTABLE WATER UTILITY FACILITIES FOR
COURTSIDE COMMONS AT WYNDEMERE, PL20160001135
AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS
DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE
SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE
TOTAL AMOUNT OF $6,241.30 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER
OR THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – THE
FACILITIES WERE FOUND SATISFACTORY AND
ACCEPTABLE DURING A FINAL INSPECTION CONDUCTED
BY STAFF AND PUBLIC UTILITIES ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2017
Item #16A8
RECORDING THE MINOR FINAL PLAT OF HERITAGE BAY
COMMONS - TRACT D SECOND REPLAT (APPLICATION
NUMBER 20170002126)
Item #16A9
RECORDING THE MINOR FINAL PLAT OF BUCKLEY
PARCEL REPLAT (APPLICATION NUMBER PL20170003099) –
LOCATED ON AIRPORT PULLING ROAD NORTH JUST
SOUTH OF VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD
Item #16A10
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RELEASE OF TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS WITH AN
ACCRUED VALUE OF $108,594.39 FOR PAYMENT OF $10,000
IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ENTITLED BOARD
OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS V. GMAC MORTGAGE, LLC,
CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD CASE NOS. CESD20130011486
AND CEPM20160007563 RELATING TO PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 5071 19TH CT SW, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA – FOR
CODE VIOLATION CONSISTING OF REPLACING AN
EXTERIOR DOOR AND FRAME WITHOUT PERMIT AND A
BROKEN SLIDER DOOR WINDOW THAT WERE BROUGHT
INTO COMPLIANCE ON APRIL 20TH & 25TH, 2017 BY THE
NEW OWNER
Item #16A11
RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN WITH AN
ACCRUED VALUE OF $64,230.13 FOR PAYMENT OF $1,800 IN
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION ENTITLED BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS V. ARLP TRUST 4. CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD CASE NO. CESD20140018438
RELATING TO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4225 11TH AVENUE
SW, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA – FOR CODE VIOLATIONS
THAT CONSISTED OF A POOL ENCLOSURE REMOVAL
WITHOUT PERMITS THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO
COMPLIANCE BY THE NEW OWNER ON OCTOBER 6, 2016
Item #16A12
RELEASE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS WITH AN
ACCRUED VALUE OF $233,050 FOR PAYMENT OF $500 IN
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ENTITLED BOARD OF
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COUNTY COMMISSIONERS V. DUSAN PETRIC. CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD CASE NO. CESD20100004782
RELATING TO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3122 SANTA
BARBARA BLVD, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA – FOR A
CODE VIOLATION THAT CONSISTED OF AN UNPERMITTED
SHED THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE BY THE
NEW OWNER ON APRIL 7, 2017
Item #16A13
THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
(SFWMD) AGREEMENT NOS. 4600003760, 4600003761 AND
4600003762 AND AUTHORIZE ANY NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENTS TO RECOGNIZE GRANT FUNDING IN THE
AMOUNT OF UP TO $200,000, $238,860 AND $800,000,
RESPECTIVELY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LELY
BRANCH NEW WEIR (PROJECT NO. 60202), THE GOLDEN
GATE CITY STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS - NW
QUADRANT (PROJECT NO. 51029), AND WEST GOODLETTE-
FRANK ROAD STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS (PROJECT
NO. 60142), RESPECTIVELY – AS DETAILED IN THE
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16A14
RESOLUTION 2017-209: AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO A JOINT
PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT (JPA) BETWEEN THE STATE
OF FLORIDA, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (FDOT)
AND COLLIER COUNTY, IN WHICH THE ORIGINAL
REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNT OF $759,125 IS DIVIDED, WITH
$744,125 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND $15,000 FOR
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THE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION (CEI)
PHASE; FOR THE COUNTYWIDE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM
SIGNAL PRIORITY PREEMPTION EXPANSION (PROJECT FM
#435338-1-58/68-01) (SAP PROJECT NO. 33458)
Item #16A15
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A COLLIER COUNTY LANDSCAPE
MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT (“AGREEMENT”) BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY AND THE RICHMOND PARK MASTER
CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, INC. FOR LANDSCAPE AND
IRRIGATION IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE IMMOKALEE
ROAD PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY – LOCATED AT THE
CORNER OF IMMOKALEE ROAD AND WOODCREST DRIVE
Item #16A16
WAIVE FORMAL COMPETITION AND APPROVE CONTRACT
#17-7216-WV WITH METRO FORECASTING MODELS, LLC AS
THE SINGLE SOURCE CONSULTANT FOR THE SOFTWARE
AND SERVICES RELATED TO UPDATES TO THE COLLIER
COUNTY INTERACTIVE GROWTH MODEL – AS DETAILED
IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16A17
AFTER-THE-FACT APPROVAL FOR THE 2017 TIGER IX
DISCRETIONARY GRANT APPLICATION, SPONSORED BY
THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION,
FOR THE IMMOKALEE COMPLETE STREETS - GROWING
CONNECTIONS TO CREATE MOBILITY OPPORTUNITIES
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PROJECT, IN THE AMOUNT OF $16,415,864 – PROVIDING
FOR NEW FACILITIES TO ACCOMMODATE BYCYCLISTS
AND PEDESTRIANS WHERE NONE CURRENTLY EXIST
Item #16A18
A SHORT-LIST OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING
CONSULTANTS AND TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH
JOHNSON ENGINEERING, INC. PURSUANT TO REQUEST
FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES (RPS) NO. 17-7222, “POST
DESIGN & VERIFICATION TESTING SERVICES FOR TREE
FARM ROAD PHASE II” (PROJECT NOS. 61001 AND 70178)
Item #16A19
RECOGNIZE FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $78,990 FROM
AN APPROVED FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLLIER
ENTERPRISES MANAGEMENT, INC. (CEMI) AND THE
COLLIER METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION
(MPO), TO PREPARE AN AMENDMENT TO THE 2040 LONG
RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN (LRTP)
Item #16A20
AN EASEMENT USE AGREEMENT (AGREEMENT) FOR LOT
7, ASHLEY GROVE, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF AS
RECORDED AT PLAT BOOK 32, PAGES 26 THROUGH 27 OF
THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF COLLIER COUNTY – LOCATED
AT 5113 KENSINGTON HIGH STREET
Item #16A21 – Moved to Item #11J (During Agenda Changes)
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Item #16B1
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA) TO
APPROVE A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE PROJECT
COMPLETION DATE SET FORTH IN THE COMMERCIAL
BUILDING IMPROVEMENT GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN
THE CRA AND WESTERN BIKE & AUTO, LLC DUE TO
CERTAIN PERMITTING AND HURRICANE DELAYS –
EXTENDING THE AGREEMENT TO DECEMBER 6, 2018
Item #16C1
AWARD CONTRACTS FOR RFP #15-6469 “WELL TESTING,
DRILLING, AND MAINTENANCE” TO YOUNGQUIST
BROTHERS INCORPORATED, LAYNE CHRISTENSEN
COMPANY, WELLS AND WATER INCORPORATED, NAPLES
WELL DRILLING INCORPORATED, AND ALL WEBBS
ENTERPRISES, INCORPORATED
Item #16D1
THE FY17-18 CONTRACT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR THE OPERATION OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THE AMOUNT
OF $1,455,000 – WITH QUARTERLY REPORTS DUE ON
MARCH 1, 2018, JUNE 1, 2018, SEPTEMBER 1, 2018 AND
DECEMBER 1, 2018
Item #16D2
RATIFY FEE WAIVERS GRANTED BY THE DIRECTOR OF
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DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES FOR THE PERIOD OF JULY 1,
2017 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 2017, IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED BY RESOLUTION NO.
2016-125 IN THE AMOUNT OF $270
Item #16D3
A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO TRANSFER FUNDS IN THE
AMOUNT OF $232,000 FROM LIBRARY FUND 129
OPERATING PROGRAM 31129 TO THE RADIO FREQUENCY
IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM (RFID) (PROJECT #44037) – FOR
INSTALLATION OF EQUIPMENT AT THE SOUTH REGIONAL,
EAST NAPLES, ESTATES, IMMOKALEE AND EVERGLADES
CITY BRANCHES
Item #16D4
A RELEASE OF LIEN FOR FIVE SEPARATE STATE HOUSING
INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) IMPACT FEE PROGRAM
DEFERRAL AGREEMENTS WITH ONE DEVELOPER FOR A
COMBINED AMOUNT OF $35,419.14 FOR PROPERTIES
DEVELOPED BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF COLLIER
COUNTY, INC. THAT HAVE BEEN REPAID TO COLLIER
COUNTY AND THE RELEASE OF LIEN WAS NOT EXECUTED
– LOCATED AT THE FOLLOWING: CARSON LAKES LOT 34,
HABITAT VILLAGE BLOCK A LOT 21, HABITAT VILLAGE
BLOCK B LOT 6, NAPLES MANOR ADDITION BLOCK 5 LOT 9
AND NAPLES MANOR UNIT 1 BLOCK 8 LOT 6
Item #16D5
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A RELEASE OF LIEN TO COMBINE THE RELEASE OF 29
SEPARATE LIENS FOR A COMBINED AMOUNT OF
$223,265.78 FOR PROPERTIES DEVELOPED BY HABITAT FOR
HUMANITY OF COLLIER COUNTY, INC. THAT HAVE
REMAINED AFFORDABLE FOR THE REQUIRED 15-YEAR
PERIOD SET FORTH IN THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES
PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) IMPACT FEE PROGRAM DEFERRAL
AGREEMENTS – FOR HABITAT VILLAGE BLOCKS A, B & C
Item #16D6 - Continued to the December 12, 2017 BCC Meeting
(Per Agenda Change Sheet)
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE TWO STATE HOUSING
INITIATIVE PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) SUBRECIPIENT
AGREEMENTS WITH HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
CORPORATION OF SW FLORIDA, INC. D/B/A HELP IN THE
AMOUNT OF $24,877 AND ROCK ISLAND ECONOMIC
GROWTH CORPORATION D/B/A ECONOMIC GROWTH
CORPORATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $24,500 FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION OF A HOMEBUYER EDUCATION AND
COUNSELING PROGRAM FOR STATE OF FLORIDA FY 16/17
Item #16D7
ACCEPTANCE OF THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES
PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) PROGRAM FY 2017/2018 ALLOCATION
IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,520,545 AND APPROVE A BUDGET
AMENDMENT RECOGNIZING $219,282.19 IN PROGRAM
INCOME FOR FISCAL YEAR 2017/2018 – WITH AN
EXENDITURE DEADLINE OF JUNE 30, 2020
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Item #16D8
AWARD BID #17-7195 PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF
BUS WRAPS TO BELLA SIGNS AND DESIGNS, INC. – FOR
THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF BUS WRAPS AND
DECALS FOR TRANSIT BUSES AND PARATRANSIT
VEHICLES
Item #16D9
APPROPRIATE A PRIVATE DONATION OF $25,000 TO
BENEFIT THE HEADQUARTERS REGIONAL LIBRARY AND
APPROVE THE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENT – TO BE
USED FOR RESOURCES, FURNITURE, SUPPLIES,
MATERIALS AND GENERAL INPROVEMENTS TO PUBLIC
AREAS AT THE HEADQUARTERS REGIONAL LIBRARY
Item #16D10
AFTER-THE-FACT SUBMITTAL OF A GRANT REQUEST TO
THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION
COMMISSION (FWC) FOR FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF
$3,675 FOR THE PURCHASE AND DELIVERY OF THREE (3)
BEARSAVER TRASH RECEPTACLES FOR THREE (3)
COLLIER COUNTY PARK SITES – FOR THE IMMOKALEE
COMMUNITY PARK, IMMOKALEE SPORTS COMPLEX & THE
IMMOKALEE AIRPORT PARK
Item #16D11
RESOLUTION 2017-210: A RESOLUTION INDICATING THE
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COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS’
DESIRE TO BE RE-DESIGNATED AS THE COMMUNITY
TRANSPORTATION COORDINATOR (CTC) FOR COLLIER
COUNTY
Item #16D12
AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION (DEP) DIVISION OF
RECREATION AND PARKS TO PROVIDE TRANSIT SERVICE
INTO DELNOR-WIGGINS STATE PARK, AND AUTHORIZE
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT – HELPING TO
ALLEVIATE CONGESTION AND PARKING LIMITATIONS
Item #16D13
RESOLUTION 2017-211: A FIVE-YEAR JOINT
PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT (JPA) WITH FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (FDOT) IN THE
AMOUNT OF $1,791,176 UNDER STATE TRANSIT BLOCK
GRANT PROGRAM CONTRACT NUMBER G0Q98 PROVIDING
FOR STATE FUNDING FOR ELIGIBLE COLLIER COUNTY
FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATIVE, MANAGEMENT,
AND OPERATION EXPENSES IN THE AMOUNT OF $895,588,
APPROVE A FY17-18 LOCAL MATCH IN THE AMOUNT OF
$895,588, AND APPROVE THE NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENTS
Item #16D14
THE FY2017/18 TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED
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TRUST FUND TRIP/EQUIPMENT AMENDMENT WITH THE
FLORIDA COMMISSION FOR THE TRANSPORTATION
DISADVANTAGED (CTD) – FOR THE COLLIER AREA
PARATRANSIT PUBLIC DOOR-TO-DOOR TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM
Item #16D15
A SUB-RECIPIENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLLIER
COUNTY AND THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE FOR THE
MENTALLY ILL OF COLLIER COUNTY (NAMI) PROVIDING
FOR $24,579.15 OF FY17-18 EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS
GRANT (ESG) FUNDING – PROVIDING RENTAL ASSISTANCE
TO HOMELESS PERSONS IN COLLIER COUNTY
Item #16D16
“AFTER-THE-FACT” AMENDMENT AND ATTESTATION
STATEMENT WITH AREA AGENCY ON AGING FOR
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, INC. (AGENCY) AND TO APPROVE A
BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE FY17 OLDER AMERICANS
ACT TITLE OAAIII PROGRAM TO ENSURE CONTINUOUS
FUNDING FOR FY17 (FISCAL IMPACT OF THE OAA
PROGRAMS OF $11,460 AND LOCAL MATCH FUNDING OF
$1,443.88) – FOR SENIOR SERVICES ELDERLY CLIENTS
Item #16D17
AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DAVID LAWRENCE MENTAL
HEALTH CENTER (DLC) TO ADMINISTER THE ALLOCATION
OF THE STATE- MANDATED MATCH FOR FY18 IN THE
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AMOUNT OF $1,949,400 – PROVIDING BEHAVIORAL AND
SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY
Item #16D18
“AFTER-THE-FACT” AMENDMENTS AND ATTESTATION
STATEMENTS WITH THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING FOR
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, INC. (AGENCY), COMMUNITY CARE
FOR THE ELDERLY (CCE), ALZHEIMER’S DISEASE
INITIATIVE (ADI), AND HOME CARE FOR THE ELDERLY
(HCE) GRANT PROGRAMS FOR SERVICES FOR SENIORS
AND AUTHORIZE BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REFLECT
THE FINAL FY 16/17 GRANT FUNDING AMOUNT (NET
FISCAL IMPACT $1,957.21) – FOR SENIOR SERVICES’
ELDERLY CLIENTS
Item #16D19
“AFTER-THE-FACT” AMENDMENTS AND ATTESTATION
STATEMENTS WITH THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING FOR
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, INC. (AGENCY), COMMUNITY CARE
FOR THE ELDERLY (CCE, ALZHEIMER’S DISEASE
INITIATIVE (ADI), AND HOME CARE FOR THE ELDERLY
(HCE) GRANT PROGRAMS FOR SERVICES FOR SENIORS
AND AUTHORIZE BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO ENSURE
CONTINUOUS FUNDING FOR FY2017/2018 (NET FISCAL
IMPACT $179,372.45) – PROVIDING UNINTERRUPTED
SERVICES FOR ELDERLY CLIENTS OF COLLIER COUNTY
SERVICES FOR SENIORS
Item #16D20
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AWARD INVITATION TO BID (ITB) #17-7105R “BASEBALL
AND SOFTBALL OFFICIALS” TO COLLIER RECREATION
BASEBALL/SOFTBALL UMPIRE ASSOCIATION, INC. AND
AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR TO EXECUTE THE ATTACHED
CONTRACT – ACQUIRING UMPIRE SERVICES FOR THE
COMMUNITY’S ADULT SOFTBALL PROGRAMS
Item #16D21
AGREEMENT #18-7243-NS WITH COLLIER COUNTY
SHERIFF’S OFFICE FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF
$57,517.20 FOR INTERSECTION CONTROL OUTSIDE OF
DELNOR-WIGGINS STATE PARK AT PEAK TIMES DURING
THE YEAR – WHICH ARE JANUARY THROUGH MAY FROM
10 A.M. TO 3 P.M.
Item #16D22
AFTER-THE-FACT AWARD ACCEPTANCE
ELECTRONICALLY AND EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT WITH
THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE (DOJ) - OFFICE OF
JUSTICE PROGRAMS TO ACCEPT FUNDING FOR THE
ADULT COURT DISCRETIONARY GRANT PROGRAM IN THE
AMOUNT OF $400,000 AND APPROVE A BUDGET
AMENDMENT TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDING – FOR THE
DRUG COURT PROGRAM’S FUNDING FOR A THREE YEAR
PERIOD ENDING ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2020
Item #16D23
BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REFLECT THE ESTIMATED
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FUNDING FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2018 OLDER AMERICANS
ACT (OAA) PROGRAMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,065,348 AND
THE REQUIRED MATCH OF $112,840.99 – FOR FRAIL
ELDERLY CLIENTS OF THE COLLIER COUNTY SENIOR
SERVICES
Item #16D24
A PURCHASE ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF $65,580 FOR USA
SHADE & FABRIC STRUCTURES AS THE SOLE SOURCE
VENDOR TO REPAIR AND INSTALL THE SHADE
STRUCTURE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AT EAST
NAPLES COMMUNITY PARK – REPARING THE SHADE
STRUCTURE AT THE EAST NAPLES COMMUNITY PARK
PICKLEBALL COURTS DUE TO HURRICANE IRMA DAMAGE
Item #16D25 – Moved to Item #11F (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16D26
AWARD INVITATION TO BID (ITB) #17-7165 TO MULTIPLE
FIRMS TO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION-RELATED EXPERTISE
AND REVIEW FOR GRANT-FUNDED RESIDENTIAL
REHABILITATION PROJECTS – REDCON SOLUTIONS GROUP
AS PRIMARY FIRM AND SOFTHQ, INC. AS THE SECONDARY
FIRM
Item #16D27
WAIVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES PENALTIES ASSESSED
TO MEDICAL TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT (MTM),
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INC. AND MV TRANSPORTATION, INC. IN ACCORDANCE
WITH AGREEMENT #15-6424 FOR MANAGEMENT SERVICES
CONTRACT FOR THE COLLIER AREA TRANSIT (CAT) FIXED
ROUTE AND PARATRANSIT PROGRAM – TO ACCEPT
PAYMENT OF $22,750 FROM MTM FOR PENALTIES
INCURRED DURING THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1, 2016
THROUGH MARCH 31, 2017 AND HOLD THE PENALTY OF
$24,000 IN ABEYANCE; ACCEPT PAYMENT OF $6,500 FROM
MV’S FOR PENALTIES INCURRED DURING THE PERIOD OF
OCTOBER 1, 2016 THROUGH MARCH 31, 2017 AND HOLD
THE PENALTY OF $10,750 IN ABEYANCE PENDING
IMPROVED PERFORMANCE FOR THE PERIOD OF
OCTORBER 1, 2017 THROUGH MARCH 31, 2018 FROM BOTH
COMPANIES
Item #16E1
AWARD RFP #17-7127, “3-1-1/CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIP
MANAGEMENT (CRM) INITIATIVE,” TO QSCEND
TECHNOLOGIES, INC. – ALLOWING TWO-WAY
COMMUNICATION THROUGH A SINGLE POINT OF
CONTACT
Item #16E2
ACCRUED INTEREST FROM THE PERIOD OCTOBER 2016
THROUGH JUNE 2017 EARNED BY EMS COUNTY GRANT
AND APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF
$614.72
Item #16E3
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WAIVING COMPETITION AND STANDARDIZE THE
PURCHASE OF STRYKER POWER PRO AMBULANCE COTS,
WARRANTY, PARTS AND ACCESSORIES FROM STRYKER
EMS – FOR NEW AND REPLACEMENT POWER STRETCHERS
Item #16E4
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR CHANGE ORDERS
AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING
BOARD APPROVAL – AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY
Item #16E5
WAIVING THE ETHICS ORDINANCE AND ACCEPT AN
OFFER, AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY, TO HONOR TWO
MEMBERS OF EMS AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE AGENCY
FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND CONTRIBUTIONS RELATED TO
HURRICANE IRMA IMPACTS AT THE AMERICAN MUSIC
AWARDS (AMA) IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – PAYING
FOR AIRFARE, MEALS, LODGING AND TRANSPORTATION
FOR TWO
Item #16E6
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS NEEDED FOR A ONE-
TIME PAYMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000 TO THE
IMMOKALEE FIRE DISTRICT TO PARTIALLY REIMBURSE
FUNDS ALREADY EXPENDED FOR STATION PLANS FOR A
FUTURE CO-OWNED EMS/FIRE STATION IN AVE MARIA –
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THE IMMOKALEE FIRE DISTRICT HAS EXPENDED
APPROXIMATELY $300,000 TO DEVELOP STATION PLANS
Item #16E7
ISSUANCE OF A PURCHASE ORDER TO CDR MAGUIRE, INC.
UNDER RFP #17-7116 DISASTER RECOVERY CONSULTING
SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF $633,800 AND AUTHORIZE A
BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR CONTINUING SUPPORT IN
DEVELOPING AND PREPARING PROJECT WORKSHEETS
FOR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT OF EXPENDITURES
ASSOCIATED WITH HURRICANE IRMA – TERMINATING
THE PURCHASE ORDER WITH TIDAL BASIN
Item #16F1
AWARD ITB #17-7130R FOR "PELICAN BAY IRRIGATION" TO
STAHLMAN-ENGLAND IRRIGATION, INC. IN THE AMOUNT
OF $199,850, AND AUTHORIZING THE CHAIR TO EXECUTE
THE AGREEMENT
Item #16F2
AWARD ITB BID #17-7208 - ANNUAL LANDSCAPE
MAINTENANCE BAYSHORE MSTU TO GROUND ZERO
LANDSCAPING SERVICES, INC.
Item #16F3 – Moved to Item #11I (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16F4
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TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX PROMOTION FUNDING TO
SUPPORT FOUR UPCOMING DECEMBER 2017 SPORTS
EVENTS UP TO $19,650 AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THESE
EXPENDITURES PROMOTE TOURISM – FOR THE
FOLLOWING EVENTS: FLORIDA STATE PICKLEBALL
CHAMPIONSHIPS ON DECEMBER 8-10, 2017 AT THE EAST
NAPLES COMMUNITY PARK; SPORTS RECRUITING SOCCER
SHOWCASE ON DECEMBER 9-10, 2017 AT THE NORTH
COLLIER REGIONAL PARK; NAPLES HOLIDAY SHOOTOUT
ON DECEMBER 27-30, 2017 (VENUE TBD LATER) AND THE
GULFSHORE HOLIDAY HOOPFEST ON DECEMBER 27-30,
2017 AT GOLDEN GATE HIGH SCHOOL
Item #16F5
AN AMENDMENT TO THE FY 18 CATEGORY C-2 GRANT TO
ARTIS-NAPLES DUE TO STORM DAMAGE TO THE BAKER
MUSEUM, APPROVE CONTRACT AMENDMENT #1 AND
MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS ACTION PROMOTES
TOURISM – FOR THE FOLLOWING EVENTS: THE VIENNA
PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA FOR TWO PERFORMANCES
ON FEBRUARY 27-28, 2018; THE CHICAGO SYMPHONY
ORCHESTRA ON FEBRUARY 12, 2018 AND THE ACADEMY
OF ST. MARTIN IN THE FIELDS FEATURING JOSHUA BELL
ON MARCH 27, 2018
Item #16F6
RESOLUTION 2017-212: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING GRANTS, DONATIONS,
CONTRIBUTIONS OR INSURANCE PROCEEDS) TO THE
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FISCAL YEAR 2017-18 ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #16F7
A REPORT COVERING BUDGET AMENDMENTS IMPACTING
RESERVES AND MOVING FUNDS IN AN AMOUNT UP TO
AND INCLUDING $25,000 AND $50,000, RESPECTIVELY –
FOR THE EXCAVATION OF CLAM PASS AS A RESULT OF
TROPICAL STORM EMILY
Item #16F8
ADDITIONAL FY 2018 BUDGET AMENDMENTS COVERING
POST HURRICANE IRMA CLEAN UP AND RECOVERY FOR
DEBRIS REMOVAL
Item #16H1
PROCLAMATION HONORING MR. JOSEPH MANUEL FOR
ACHIEVING THE RANK OF EAGLE SCOUT. THIS
PROCLAMATION WILL BE MAILED TO MR. MANUEL –
ADOPTED
Item #16H2
RESOLUTION 2017-213: REQUESTING THE FLORIDA
ATTORNEY GENERAL INCREASE EFFORTS TO
INVESTIGATE REVERSE MORTGAGE FRAUD
Item #16H3
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RESOLUTION 2017-214: ENDORSING THE DEDICATION OF
A PORTION OF INTERSTATE 75 FROM MILE MARKER 110
TO THE BROWARD COUNTY LINE AS THE “SUBMARINE
VETERANS MEMORIAL HIGHWAY”
Item #16J1
REPORT TO THE BOARD REGARDING THE INVESTMENT OF
COUNTY FUNDS AS OF THE QUARTER ENDED SEPTEMBER
30, 2017
Item #16J2
ENDORSE THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
AND UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY
COMBINED EQUITABLE SHARING AGREEMENT AND
CERTIFICATION THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 2018
Item #16J3
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN
FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN OCTOBER 12 AND
NOVEMBER 1, 2017 PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
136.06
Item #16J4
DETERMINE VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR INVOICES
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PAYABLE AND PURCHASING CARD TRANSACTIONS AS OF
NOVEMBER 8, 2017
Item #16K1
A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $65,664 FOR THE TAKING OF PARCEL 281RDUE
IN THE PENDING CASE STYLED COLLIER COUNTY V.
NABIL JOSEPH, ET AL, CASE NO. 16- CA-1256, REQUIRED
FOR THE GOLDEN GATE BOULEVARD PROJECT (PROJECT
NO. 60145 - FROM 20TH STREET EAST TO EAST OF
EVERGLADES BOULEVARD (FISCAL IMPACT: $53,464)
Item #16K2
A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IN THE AMOUNT
OF $56,650 FOR FULL COMPENSATION AND STATUTORY
ATTORNEY FEES, EXPERT FEES AND COSTS, PLUS UP TO
$5,000 IN SUPPLEMENTAL ATTORNEY FEES, IF ANY, FOR
PARCEL 146RDUE IN THE CASE STYLED COLLIER COUNTY
V. BENJAMIN SANCHEZ, ET AL., CASE NO. 15-CA-0249
REQUIRED FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO GOLDEN GATE
BOULEVARD (PROJECT NO. 60040) [FISCAL IMPACT:
$52,920]
Item #16K3
A PRE-HEARING JOINT MOTION FOR STIPULATED ORDER
OF TAKING AND FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$9,512 FOR PARCEL 443RDUE, IN THE LAWSUIT CAPTIONED
COLLIER COUNTY V. JOHN R. BRUNNER, ET AL, CASE NO.
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17-CA-1452, REQUIRED FOR THE GOLDEN GATE
BOULEVARD EXPANSION PROJECT NO. 60145 (FISCAL
IMPACT: $9,682)
Item #16K4
A JOINT MOTION FOR STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN
THE AMOUNT OF $12,400 FOR PARCEL 330RDUE, IN THE
LAWSUIT CAPTIONED COLLIER COUNTY V. PRISCILLA
DIAS, ET AL, CASE NO. 16-CA-1393, REQUIRED FOR THE
GOLDEN GATE BOULEVARD EXPANSION PROJECT NO.
60145 (FISCAL IMPACT: $5,900)
Item #16K5
A STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT
OF $12,000 FOR THE TAKING OF PARCEL 339RDUE
REQUIRED FOR THE GOLDEN GATE BLVD. PROJECT NO.
60145 (FROM 20TH ST. E. TO EAST OF EVERGLADES BLVD.),
IN THE PENDING CASE STYLED COLLIER COUNTY V.
WILLIAM J. ZAVASKY, JR., ET AL., CASE NO. 16-CA-1272
(FISCAL IMPACT: $10,700)
Item #16K6
RESOLUTION 2017-215: APPOINTING DAVID J. TRECKER TO
THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FILLING THE
REMAINDER OF A VACANT TERM EXPIRING ON MAY 22,
2019
Item #16K7
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RESOLUTION 2017-216: REAPPOINTING EILEEN
ARSENAULT TO THE HISTORIC/ARCHAEOLOGICAL
PRESERVATION BOARD WITH TERM EXPIRING ON
OCTOBER 1, 2020
Item #16K8
RESOLUTION 2017-217: REAPPOINT BOTH PATRICIA
SPENCER AND FLORENCE “DUSTY” HOLMES TO THE
GOLDEN GATE BEAUTIFICATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE
WITH ERMS EXPIRING ON OCTOBER 6, 2021
Item #16K9
RESOLUTION 2017-218: REAPPOINTING JEFFREY S. CURL
TO THE GOLDEN GATE ESTATES LAND TRUST COMMITTEE
WITH TERM EXPIRING ON OCTOBER 13, 2021
Item #16K10
RESOLUTION 2017-219: DECLARING A VACANCY ON THE
BLACK AFFAIRS ADVISORY BOARD
Item #16K11
RESOLUTION 2017-220: ESTABLISH THE COLLIER COUNTY
AD HOC SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, FOR AN INITIAL
TERM OF ONE YEAR, TO ASSIST THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS IN COMPILING AND IDENTIFYING ISSUES
AS THEY RELATE TO THE SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF
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SENIOR CITIZENS IN COLLIER COUNTY
Item #17A
ORDINANCE 2017-43: ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE
NO. 14-24, AS AMENDED, THE BUCKLEY MIXED USE
PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (MPUD), TO APPROVE AN
INSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE MPUD TO REDUCE THE
MINIMUM LOT AREA AND MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR
SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS, AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT
OF THE INTERSECTION OF AIRPORT-PULLING ROAD AND
ORANGE BLOSSOM DRIVE, IN SECTION 2, TOWNSHIP 49
SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FL,
CONSISTING OF 21.7± ACRES [PDI-PL20170002630]
Item #17B
RESOLUTION 2017-221: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING CARRY FORWARD,
TRANSFERS AND SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) TO THE
FISCAL YEAR 2017-18 ADOPTED BUDGET
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 6:10 p.m.
November 14, 2017
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
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