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CAC Minutes 10/09/2003 ROctober 9, 2003 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, October 9, 2003 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Coastal Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 1:30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Gary Galleberg Ron Pennington James Snediker David Roellig (Absent) John Strapponi John Arceri Bedford Biles Anthony Pires (Excused) William Kroeschell ALSO PRESENT: Ron Hovell, Coastal Projects Manager Dr. Jon Staiger, City of Naples Jack Wert, Tourism Director Page 1 NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN OF A COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN TIlE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOARDROOM, THIRD FLOOR, W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING (ADMINISTRATION), AT THE COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX, 3301 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, NAPLES, FLORIDA AT 1:30 P.M. ON OCTOBER 9, 2003. AGENDA ° 6. 7. 8. Roll Call Additions to Agenda New Business a. Approval of minutes of September 11, 2003 b. Work Order for Hauling, Placing & Grading Upland Sand on Royal Marco Point at Hideaway Beach c. Engineering Services Work Order Amendment for Hideaway Beach Design [late addition to agenda] d. Presentation on Naples Sand Bar System e. TDC Category "A" Project and Budget Status Update Old Business a. Tourist Development Tax Funding Policy for Category 'A' Projects b. Marco Island Major Grading Revised Work Order Proposal c. Review of Recommendations made on September 11, 2003 Audience Participation Committee Member Comments Schedule next meeting Adjournment ADDITIONALLY, THIS NOTICE ADVISED THAT, IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE BY THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS MEETING, HE WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THAT FOR SUCH PURPOSE, HE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. October 9, 2003 Chairman Gary Galleberg called the meeting to order at 1:35 PM. 1. Roll Call - Roll call was taken and a quorum was established. Mr. Roellig and Mr. Pires were not in attendance. e Additions to the Agenda: Engineering Services Work Order Amendment for Hideaway Beach Design Wiggins Pass & Barefoot Preserve Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Agenda as amended. Second Mr. Strapponi. Carried unanimously 7-0. New Business: a. Approval of Minutes of September 11, 2003 -Mr. Pennington moved to approve the minutes of September 11, 2003. Second by Mr. Kroeschell. Carried unanimously 7-0. be Work Order for Hauling, Placing & Grading Upland Sand on Royal Marco Point at Hideaway Beach - a total of approx. $575,000. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the expenditure of the Work Order of approx. $575,000. Second by Mr. Snediker. Carried unanimously 7-0. Engineering Services Work Order Amendment for Hideaway Beach Design - exceeded initial contract for time & material by $1,262.50. Mr. Pennington mentioned to have a "time certain" in the future for engineering firms that give presentations at the CAC meetings. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the expenditure of the Work Order for $1,262.50. Second by Mr. Snediker. Carried unanimously 7-0. do Wiggins Pass & Barefoot Preserve - aerial shown of the area with the erosion of 2002 & 2003. Mr. Hovell suggested approving a Work Order proposal from Humiston & Moore to pursue a permit application for dredging and straightening out the channel. It was the consensus of the Committee for Mr. Hovell to get proposals and estimated costs from Humiston & Moore Engineering. aw Presentation on Naples Sand Bar System - Dave Tackney - Tackney & Associates, Inc., - Mr. Tackney was part of the team that was analyzing the performance of the Parker Sand Web installation. - He is suggesting a mechanism which could interrupt the current flow that creates the bar and holds it, in which it could end up on the beach. - He wanted to know if the Committee would like to pursue it at which time they could try for State funding for the experimental part and TDC Funds for other costs involved. - Mr. Tackney gave the presentation on his own behalf as a professional engineer. Page 2 October 9, 2003 ee A letter to Dr. Jon Staiger is enclosed explaining his findings after evaluating the performance of the Sand Web installation on Naples Beach. Some of the facts he presented were: North of Naples Pier 2 bar systems (small inshore - large offshore) Storms - Recovery Process Drawings were shown for explanations of extreme storm events and Longshore. Volume flow rate explained Presence of the bar is significant To dam the trough, he would recommend the tubes to close off the channel portion of the bar, interrupting the Longshore current. The tubes are large and heavy and would stay in place. The nickelon tubes were discussed further with the alignment, size, sand recovery and costs. A lengthy discussion pursued with many questions and answers of Mr. Tackney. Mr. Galleberg stated they should look into the process further and wondered what the next step should be. Being a test program it would qualify under the States experimental erosion control program. Many of the costs could be reimbursable under the program. Dr. Staiger would like to get on the list for the 2005 Budget. He would be prepared to do the application and pursue it. Mr. Pennington moved to request Dr. Staiger, through the city process, to submit a letter of interest for the permitting and talk with Coastal Planning & Engineering for current data. Second by Mr. Snediker. Carried unanimously 7-0. TDC Category "A" Project & Budget Status Update - Ron Hovell He presented a spreadsheet (enclosed.) He covered the new fiscal year projects, cost controls for engineering firms, schedule of fees, major renourishment and grant applications. e Old Business a. Tourist Development Tax Funding Policy for Category "A" Projects. The funding policy will be presented to the Board of County Commissioners at Tuesday's meeting. Mr. Galleberg will be present as Chairman of the Coastal Advisory Committee. Mr. Pennington, Mr. Arceri and Mr. Snediker will also be present. Mr. Hovell informed the Committee that they are on an accrual basis and not cash and explained some of the figures for Category "A" Funds. Page 3 October 9, 2003 Mr. Hovell wanted to know if he should be prepared to come back to the Committee on changing the CAC recommendations or leave it the way they are. Mr. Arceri recommended that the finalization of the budget should be put on the next agenda as a priority item, after the Board of County Commissioners agree on a policy so they know what it will mean for 2004. If the policy is approved, he felt Hideaway funding would be premised on doing a number of things. Mr. Hovell asked if there were any questions about the policy going to the Board. Mr. Pennington stated Pelican Bay is in the same category as the others, with no street access. Discussion followed on Phase II, putting sand on Gordon Pass and the proposed policy and the application made to DEP with possible modifications. The Ritz is eligible under the policy with anything beyond the ½ mile not being eligible for funding. - Mr. Galleberg stated there is a very ardent campaign by staff to make sure the policy says nothing, does nothing and accomplishes nothing. Staff wants to make policy instead of implementing it. The policy stands on it own, is clear, logical, and prudent and puts resources in the right place and protects against a raid on beach renourishment funds for increased public access. He is not going to participate or be hemmed into a confusing hoo-ha, when it is not there. He also said Pelican Bay is not eligible, except for the half mile they discussed earlier. - Mr. Arceri met with Jim Mudd and doesn't feel they are going to see outward support for the policy from staff, but not sure another new policy will be put in place. He gave a summary of the past months where the policy has gone with or without agreement. Hideaway is not eligible for anything unless they build a pathway from a public street in which parking can also be made. Staff is driven by an agenda of access. - Mr. Galleberg mentioned the primary issue is TDC Category "A" Beach Renourishment funding, whether it will be used for beach renourishment or access, so the eastern part of the County can have increased access without an increase in taxes. Mr. Snediker wondered if it would be appropriate for CAC to make a motion that Hideaway beach is a vital area subject to abnormal erosion. - Mr. Galleberg felt it would premature and to let the policy stand on it's own to be presented, as is, to the Board. Page 4 October 9, 2003 The two renourishment projects have been submitted to the State and met all deadlines except for the Resolution. The Executive Summary states they will keep the permit in compliance. Mr. Arceri stated they should identify the beaches that are eligible, not eligible, those of high use and low use that fit the criteria. - A very lengthy discussion ensued about permitting, access, critical erosion areas, eligibility and the policy decision being made by the Board of County Commissioners at Tuesday's meeting. Mr. Strapponi moved to table any future discussion and wait for the results and outcome of the Board's decision of the policy. Second by Mr. Pennington. Carried unanimously 7-0. b. Marco Island Major Grading Revised Work Order Proposal - Ron Hovell - graded last year trying to get rid of standing water, grasses etc. Discussed going forward with permanent solution rather than annual grading being limited under the field permit to move no more than a foot of sand. Presented proposal from Taylor Engineering on 8/12/03. Committee had asked to extend boundaries to the north and include all of Tigertail Park. Proposal was revised - given to Committee on 9/11/03 with questions of why they are doing it. - Mr. Snediker talked about the different things that had been done to resolve the situation of the discolored grasses and a major re-grading is going to be done from the mean high water line back to shore line. He did not feel the proposal from Taylor Engineering was adequate for the problems that need to be addressed and whether it can even be permitted. -Mr. Hovell stated there is no solution of how to solve it. Most people have said for it to go natural and let the grass grow and the lagoon do whatever it is going to do. This is not a typical problem and in other areas they have let it go natural and let the public get over the initial reaction. Can continue to do the annual grading. Mr. Galleberg moved to table. Second by Mr. Snediker. Carried unanimously 7-0. c. Review of Recommendations made on September 11, 2003. Reviewed many of the recommendations with the Committee. 5. Audience Participation - none. Page 5 October 9, 2003 e Committee Members Comments: Mr. Bile's mentioned he toured the beaches and encouraged the Committee members to do the same if they haven't. It was very informative and he learned a lot. Mr. Strapponi had done the same. Schedule next meeting- November 13, 2003 -1:30 PM (normal schedule) - October 21, 2003 - 1:30 PM (tentative) There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 4:30 PM. Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee Chairman Gary Galleberg Page 6