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DSAC Minutes 10/01/2003 ROctober 1, 2003 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, October 1, 2003 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Development Services Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 3:30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Conference Room "E" in the Collier County Development Services Center, Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Peter VanArsdale Charles Abbott Dalas Disney Robert Duane Marco Espinar Blair Foley (Excused) Brian Jones Robert Mulhere (Excused) Justin Martin Thomas Masters Brian Milk (Excused) Thomas Peek Dino Longo (Absent) Herbert Savage Clay Brooker (Absent) ALSO PRESENT: Russell Webb, Planning Joe Schmitt, Dev. Services Ray Bellows, Planning Norm Feder, Transportation Don Scott, Transportation Ed Perico, Public Utilities Ed Kant, Transportation Patrick White, Asst. Co. Att. Phil Tindall, Transportation Denny Baker Page 1 DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE AGENDA October 1, 2003 3:30 p.m. IV. V. VI. Approval of Agenda Approval of Minutes - September 3, 2003 Meeting Staff Announcements A. Development Services Division Update B. Transportation Division Update C. Public Utilities.Division Update Old Business New Business Subcommittee Reports A. Land Development Regulation (Bob Duane) B. Operations and Budget (Dino Longo) C. Utility Code (Justin Martin) D. Ad Hoc Committee on Fees Committee Member Comments Adjourn October 1, 2003 Chairman Peter VanArsdale called the meeting to order at 3:35 PM. Approval of Agenda - Mr. Robert Duane was at a Conference at the last meeting and would like to be excused. It was announced Tom Masters was elected the new Chairman of the LDC Sub- Committee. - Review of"LDC Cycle III" was added to New Business. - Tom Peek moved to approve the Agenda as amended. Marco Espinar Seconded. Carried unanimously 10-0. II. Approval of Minutes - September 3, 2003. It was noted to excuse Robert Duane from the September 3rd meeting. Tom Masters moved to approve the Minutes of September 3, 2003 with the above correction to the attendance. Seconded by Tom Peek. Carried unanimously 10-3. III. Staff Announcements: A. Development Services Division Update - Denny Baker introduced Amy Patterson (Coordinator) - a sheet on Impact fees was handed out. (Attached) She covered the different type of impact fees and the various totals on single family homes. (Effective October 1, 2003) Examples were given per handout. Denny Baker mentioned the school impact fees being significant with a joint workshop being held between the Board of County Commissioners and the School Board. A question was asked how the rates compare with other counties in the the State. A comparison will be done with the top 15 counties in the state. A model will be worked up to blend it all together for a true picture. Mr. Savage felt it was unfair to have high impact fees because of new growth and should be paying more taxes for property to pay expenses rather than impact fees. Justin Martin also supports higher property taxes. B. Transportation Division Update - Norman Feder, Transportation - - - - Indexing impact fees were updated. - Overpass issue will be brought up in Oct/Nov. ROW study done but not to design yet. Need to confirm the need and a concept on community character for Naples/Collier County. Community meetings have been held with good response. Concerns on Goodlette Frank Road and 41 in the City. Joint meeting was held with the City with consultants hired by the City. Consultant study found they needed an overpass at Goodlette Frank. 41 no major problem and will continue to monitor. Committed to look at the whole corridor. Page 2 October 1, 2003 - Reviewing bridge analysis - southern crossing south side of Airport will be a relief to Davis but not Golden Gate - with or without an overpass. Improvements - $1 OM - but not the improvements necessary - will be taking back to the BCC as they get ready for the ROW acquisition. Discussion followed on the interchm~ge and rezoning. - Ed Kant, Transportation talked about building permits for pipes being installed early and recommending changes on swale enclosures. Discussion followed on the drainage systems and swales. They are issuing over 200 driveway permits a month. Joe Schmitt gave a report - the fee resolution for the fees going into effect on November 3r°were passed by the Board of County Commissioners excluding one portion that was not in compliance with State Statutes. Rates will then be in line with the State Statutes. Building Permit fees will go down approx. 24% and Planning will go up to make up the losses from the Building Permit fees. C. Public Utilities Division Update - none IV. V. VI. OLD BUSINESS: NEW BUSINESS: Subcommittee Reports: A. Land Development Regulations (Bob Duane) (Met at 2:00 PM) Tom Peek covered the confusion of the different committee meeting times. - He suggested if they want the "full committee" to meet at 2:00 PM to consider final actions on the LDC Amendments, that it be made a part of the regular monthly meeting and make it as an Agenda item which would start at 2:00 PM and run until it is concluded. It would be "One" meeting. The first item on the Agenda could be the LDC Amendments and everyone would have a copy of the proposed amendments for review. - Those members not interested in the Amendments wouldn't have to attend until 3:30 PM. He felt that would eliminate the confusion. Tom Peek moved to hold "one meeting with one agenda" beginning at 2:00 PM with discussion of the LDC Amendments and then considered by full committee. The "regular Sub-committee" will still meet separately to review the Amendments thoroughly. There should be a time certain for starting the regular agenda items. Seconded by Tom Masters. Carried unanimously 10-0. Page 3 October 1, 2003 The motion was amended and seconded as follows: Summary. - The agenda for 2:00 PM will start with discussion of the LDC Amendments first. The Agenda will have a time certain of 3:30 PM for the regular DSAC items; for public and/or staff reports and input, and continue with the Amendments if needed. Carried unanimously 10-0. Russell Webb mentioned the Eastern Lands and Rural Fringe Amendments will not be available until October 15th. The Sub-committee can hold a meeting shortl7 after that date if so wished. The subcommittee usually meets th r~ e 3 Wednesday of each month at 3:00 PM. Tom Masters - comments and changes looked at for LDC Amendments: - Turtle issue - State was amicable to relocating diseased turtles to a site that isn't presently populated with turtles - can delete off agenda. Page 11 - Section 2.2.3.4.3 - Yard requirements - a "sliding scale" was suggested - staff did not make the changes. Tom Peek went into detail concerning the comer lots and being non-conforming and used examples. (Would not get a bonus for being non-conforming) The Sub-committee agreed to the sliding scale, staffdid not want to change. Joe Schmitt stated builders did not understand it and a lengthy discussion pursued. Tom Peek left at 4:37 PM. - Page 20 - Building Heights - Dev. 6.3 definitions - Sub committee's recommendation was to delete first line and insert the FEMA elevation and keep the deletion of garage parking. (2 story) Joe stated that it is not so much the height as clarifying it so everyone understands it. The subcommittee felt "truth in advertising" is important and supports the FEMA position. Discussion followed. ' David Ellis discussed the issue of Truth in Advertising. As an Industry they are trying to work on better communications, understanding and create better guidelines on how this is done. It is not only Vanderbilt beach but a number of single family homes also. Creating better advertising on what the real height is will be better understood by the Planning Commission, Board of County Commissioners and the public. Peter VanArsdale said part of their recommendation was to measure from grade from FEMA and eliminates the height exception. - The consensus was to go along with the Sub-committees recommendation. Patrick White - Assistant County Attorney - stated the Section the Committee is discussing is not being proposed for Amendment in the Cycle - the Section is 2.6.3.2. What the Committee is discussing has nothing to do with parking. The Page 4 October 1, 2003 definition is recognizing that it is germane to the overall consideration of what height means in a particular structure. He wants to be able to explain to the public with Truth in Advertising. Tom Masters moved to change the Amendment to - utilize the base elevation being FEMA elevation. Second by Dalas Disney. Carried unanimously 8-0. (Charles Abbott was out of the room). - Page 157 - Section 3.2.8.3.25 - Irrigation lines - was discussed on the color- coded pipes. Justin Martin moved to strike "using the Pantone Purple 522C Pipe" in the sentence and replace it with - "must be color-coded in accordance with the Collier County's Utility Ordinance and Technical Standards". Second by Dalas Disney. Discussion followed. Carried unanimously 9-0. Tom Masters moved to recommend approval of all the other Amendments with the exception of the ones otherwise discussed where separate approvals were made. (The Gopher/Tortoise Amendment not included). Second by Duane Arnold. Carried unanimously 9-0. Tom Masters moved to recommend denial of the Gopher/Tortoise Amendment. Second by Dalas Disney. Carried 8-1. Marco Espinar abstained. Robert Duane left at 5:10 PM. Tom Masters stated he was elected Chairman of the LDC Sub-committee and welcomed others to attend the meetings if there are issues they are interested in. B. Operations & Budget (Dino Longo) No report. C. Utility Code (Justin Martin) Minutes were passed out and explanatory. Committee is working on manual and will be brought to the Committee in January or February. Justin Martin moved to approve the Utility Committee minutes for September 16, 2003. Second by Herb Savage. Carried unanimously 8-0. D. Ad Hoc Committee on fees. None David Ellis mentioned to the Committee of a meeting next Wednesday with the City of Naples, and an upcoming CBI Trade Show. Page 5 October 1, 2003 There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 12:00 PM. COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE Chairman Peter VanArsdale Page 6