CCPC Minutes 07/18/2003 RJuly 18, 2003
TRANSCRIPTION OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
Naples, Florida, July 18, 2003
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County
Planning Commission in and for the County of Collier, having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 8:30 AM in
REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government
Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members
present:
Chairman: Kenneth Abernathy
Mark Strain
Dwight Richardson
Lora dean Young
Brad Schiffer
David Wolfley
ALSO PRESENT: David Week, Marjorie Student, Paul
White, Don Scott, Stan Litsinger
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AGENDA
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MEET AT 8:30 A.M., THURSDAY, JULY'17, 2003, 1N THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ROOM, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, COUNTY
GOVERNMENT CENTER, 3301 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST, NAPLES, FLORIDA:
NOTE: INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO 5 MINUTES ON ANY
ITEM. INDIVIDUALS SELECTED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AN
ORGANIZATION OR GROUP ARE ENCOURAGED AND MAY BE ALLOTTED 10
MINUTES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM IF SO RECOGNIZ~.D BY THE CHAIRMAN.
PERSONS WISHING TO HAVE WRITTEN OR GRAPHIC MATERIALS INCLUDED
IN THE CCPC AGENDA PACKETS MUST SUBMIT SAID MATERIAL A
MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE RESPECTIVE PUBLIC HEARING. IN
ANY CASE, WRITTEN MATERIALS INTENDED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE
CCPC SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY STAFF A
MINIMUM OF SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL
MATERIAL USED IN PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE CCPC WILL BECOME A
PERMANENT PART OF THE RECORD AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR
PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF
APPLICABLE.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THE CCPC WILL
NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, AND
THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE
PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND
EVIDENCE UPON WHICH .THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
ADDENDA TO THE AGENDA
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 5, 2003
PLANNING COMMISSION ABSENCES
BCC REPORT- RECAPS: JUNE 10, 2003 AND JUNE 24, 2003
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT
ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
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BD-2003-AR-3847, Miles Scofield, of Scofield Marine Consulting, representing Peter Guglielmi,
requesting a boathouse on an existing dock.. The dock extends 23 feet out into the waterway;
however, the proposed boathouse would extend only 20 feet. Property to be considered is located
at 119 Heron Avenue, Lot 25, Block T, Conners Vanderbilt Beach Estates Unit 3, in Section 29,
Township 48 South, Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida. (Coordimttor: Ross Gochenaur)
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PUDZ-2002-AR-2g41, Richard Woodruff, AICP, of WiisonMiller, Inc., and R. Bruce Anderson, Esq., of Young, van
Assenderp, Vamadoe and Anderson P.A., representing U.S. Home Corporation, requesting a rezone from 'A" rural
agricultural to "PUD" Planned Unit Development to be known as Heritage Bay DR//PUD for a maximum of 3,450
residential dwelling units, 50,000 square feet of office uses, 150,000 square feet of retail uses, and Assisted Living
Facility containing up to 200 units for property, located on the northeast comer of Inh~tokalee Road and Collier
Boulevard (C.R. 951), in Sections 13, 14, 23 and 24, Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Coliier County, Florida,
consisting of 2,562~ acres. (COMPANION ITEM TO DPd-2000-01) (Coordinator: Ray Bellows)
DRI-2000-01, Alan D. Reynolds, AICP, of. WiisonMiller, Inc., and R. Brace Anderson, Esq., of Young, van
Assenderp, Varnadoe, and Anderson P.A., representing U.S. Home Corporation, requesting approval of a "DRI"
Development of Regional Impact to be known as Heritage Bay DR/, for a maximum of 3,450 residential dwelling
units, 200 assisted living units, a $4-hole golf course and related facilities, three neighborhood town centers to contain
up to 40,000 sq. ft. of building space, and a maximum of 200,000 sq. fl. of commercial uses of which 50,000 sq. ft. is
limited to offices, for property located on the northeast quadrant of Immokalee Road (C.R. 846) and Collier Boulevard
(C.R. 951), in Sections 13, 14, 23, and 24, Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of
2,562+ acres. (Coordinator: Ray Bellows)
D. PUDZ-2003-AR-3607, Will/am L. Hoover, AICP, of Hoover Planning & Development, Inc., representing Barton and
Wendy Mclntyre and $oseph Magdalen,r, requesting changes to the existing Nicaea Academy PUD zoning. The
proposed changes to the PUD document and Master Plan will eliminate the uses of private school and assisted living
facility and allow for a maximum of 580 residential dwelling units. The property to be considered for this rezon is
located on the east side of Collier Boulevard just south of the Crystal Lake PUD (RV Park), in Section 26, Township
48 South, Range 26 East, Collier Count~ Florida. This property consists of 119+ acres. (Coordinator: Fred Reischl)
E. CPSS-2003-01: A Small Scale Amendment, amending the Future Land Use Element, Map of Activity Center #16, by
increasing the existing N.W. quadrant acreage by .99 acres. [Coordinator: John David Moss]
F. PUDZ-2002-AR-31Sl, Michael R. Fernandez, AICP, of Planning Development, Inc., representing Richard $.
Santerre, Trustee, requesting a rezone from "C-3" and "RMF-6" to "PUD" Planned Unit Development to be known as
Miller Square PUD for a maximum of 20,000 square feet of commercial use, for property located at the northeast
comer of U.S. 41 East and Shadowlawn Drive, in Section 11, Township 50 South, Range 25 East, Collier County,
Florida. (Coordinator: Fred Reischl/Mike Bosi)
PUDZ-2003-AR-3605, William L. Hoover, AICP of Hoover Planning and Development, Inc., representing Gulf Coast
Commercial Corporation, requesting a rezone from a "RMF-6" zoning district to a Planned Unit Development (PUD)
district to be known as the Botanical Place PUD. This project will consist ofa maximtun of 218 multi-family dwelling
units of which 64 dwelling units are required to be affordable subject to the approval of the companion Affordable
Housing Density Bonus Agreement. The property 1~ be considered for this rezone is located on the eastern side of
Bayshore Drive, approximately 800 feet north of Thomasson Drive, further described as Lots 105 and 106, Naples
Grove and Truck Co.'s Little Farm #2, in Section 14, Township 50 South, Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida.
This property consists of 19.83 + acres. (Coordinator: Ray Bellows)
CU-2002-AR=3537, Nick Stewart, of Stewart Mining Industries, requesting Conditional Use "I" for e '.anluV/ning in
the "A-MHO" Rural Agricultural - Mobile Home Overlay zoning district pursuant to Section 2.2.2.3 of th~ Collier
County Land Development Code for property located in Sections 18 and 19, Township 46 South, Range 29 East,
Collier County, Florida. (Coordinator: Fred ReiscM)
PUDA-2002-AR-247~, $. Gary Butler, PE, of Butler Engineering, Inc., representing Bayswater Falling Waters LLC,
requesting a rezone from "E", Estates, and PUD, Falling Waters PUD, to increase acreage of the existing Falling
Waters PUD from 134.04 to 161.54, change density from 6 dwelling units per acre to 4.95 per acre, and show a
change in property ownership, for property located south of Davis Boulevard and west ol~ the proposed alignment of
Santa Barbara Boulevard in Section 8, Township 50 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of
161.$4:t: acres. (Coordinator: Fred Reischi/Kay Deselem)
PUDZ-2002-AR-2863, Karen Bishop, of PMS Inc. of Naples, representing John A. Pulling, Jr. and Lucy G. Finch,
requesting a rezone from "A" Rural Agricultural to "PUD" Planned Unit Development to be known as Longview
Center PUD for a maximum of $6 residential dwelling units, a maximum of 73,000 square feet of mixed retail and
service uses and a maximum of 70,000 square feet of medical and/or general off'ice space for property lo~ated at the
northeast and southeast corner of Airport-Pulling Road and Orange Blossom Road, in Section 1, Township 49 South,
Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of 14.73± acres. (Coordinator: Fred Reischl) -
K. 2003 Cycle GMP Amendment Petitio,,
CPSP-2003-4:
Amending the Future Land Use Element (FLUE) to add a new policy referencing the two
Interlocal Agreements adopted in May 2003 by the Collier County School Board and the
Board of County Commissioners; referencing the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) Series
depicting existing and future school sites and school support facilities; referencing a map of
existing school and school support facilities in the FLUE support document; and, identif3~ng
zoning districts which allow and which do not allow school and school support facilities.
Amending the FLUM Series to add new maps depicting sites upon which schools and school
support facilities are located, and depicting undeveloped sites for future schools and school
support facilities.
Amending the Intergovernmental Coordination Element (ICE) to refer to the two Interlocal
Agreements adopted in May 2003 between the Collier County School Board and the Board
of County Commissioners.
Amending the Golden Gate Area Master Plan to reference the two Interlocal Agreements
adopted in May 2003 between the Collier County School Board and the Board of County
Commissioners and to cross-reference the FLUE and ICE policies and FLUM series.
Amending the Immokalee Area Master Plan to reference the two Interlocal Agreements
adopted in May 2003 between the Collier County School Board and the Board of County
Commissioners and to cross-reference the FLUE and ICE policies and FLUM Series.
[Coordinator: David Weeks]
CPSP-2003-5, Petition requesting text amendments to the Goals, Objectives and Policies of the
Future Land Use Element and the Recreation and Open Space Element in order to incorporate the
Community Character/Smart Growth principles adopted by the Community Character/Smart Growth
Advisory Committee.
[Coordinator: John David Moss]
CPSP-2003-6, Petition requesting the adoption of the County Manatee Protection Plan (MPP) and the
amendment of the goals, objectives and poliei~ of the County's Conservation and Coastal
Management Element and the Future Land Use Element to establish the Manatee Protection Plan
(MPP).
[Coordinator: Darren Murphy]
CPSP-2003-7, Petition requesting the adoption of a new Economic Development Element including
goals, objectives and policies to the Growth Management Plan.
[Coordinator: John David Moss & Randy Cohen]
CPSP-2003-8, Petition requesting amendments to the Capital Improvement Element (CIE), Transportation
Element, and Future Land Use Element to revise Transportation Concurrency Management policies to establish a real
time checkbook concurrency management system; to establish two (2) Transportation Concurrency Management
Areas (TCMA), and to adopt a Map of the proposed TCMA within the Urban Designated Area on the Future
Land Use Map (FLUM); to establish a Transportation Concurrency Exception Area (TCF_X), and to adopt a
Map of the proposed TCEA within the Urban Designated Area on the FLUM; and to.hdd policies providing
for fairshare developer contributions, to the Multimodal Transportation Work Program of a TCMA when
directly impacting a deficient road segment.
[Coordinator: Start Litsinger]
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CPSP-2003-9, Petition requesting change to Overlays and Special Features of the Land Use
Designation Description Section of the Future Land Use Element, to change certain noise contours as
previously changed by Land Development Code amendment on June 14, 2000.
[Coordinator: Marcia Kendall]
OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS: THERE WILL BE NO CCPC MEETING ON THE FOLLOWING DAYS: JULY 3, 2003,
AND AUGUST 7, 2003
PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM
DISCUSSION OF ADDENDA
ADJOURN
CCPC AGENDA/SM/lo5/01/03
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*Kenneth Abemathy called to continue Thursday's meeting at 8:30 AM on Friday, July
18, 2003. The pledge of allegiance was said. Role was taken and the meeting proceeded
with 8K.
K. 2003 Cycle GMP Amendment Petitions
CPSP-2003-4
Amending the Future Land Use Element (FLUE) to add a new policy
referencing the two Interlocal Agreements adopted in May 2003 by the
Collier County School Board and the Board of County Commissioners;
referencing the Future Land Use Map (FL UM) series depicting existing
and future school sites and school support facilities in the FLUE
support document; and, identifying zoning districts which allow and
which do not allow school and school support facilities
Amending the FLUM Series to add new maps depicting sites upon which
schools and school support facilities are located, and depicting
undeveloped sites for future schools and school support facilities
Amending the Intergovernmental Coordination Element (ICE) to refer
to the two Interlocal Agreements adopted in May 2003 between the
Collier County School Board and Board of County Commissioners
Amending the Golden Gate Area Master Plan to reference the two
Interlocal Agreements adopted in May 2003 between the Collier County
referen ce the FL UE and ICE policies and FL UM series
Amending the Immokalee Area Master Plan to reference the two
Interlocal Agreements adopted in May 2003 between the Collier County
School Board and Board of County Commissioners and to cross-
reference the FL UE and ICE policies and FL UM Series. (Coordinator:
David Weeks)
*David Weeks
- went over growth management plan amendments
- this is a transmittal hearing
- adoption hearings will take place in November or December
- those people who sign-in today can receive an informational notice from the
Florida Department of Community Affairs once the amendments have been
adopted and found either in compliance or not
- a full page legal ad was placed in the Naples Daily News relating to this topic
- Mr. Weeks explained the amending issues
- some additions: one site not included in map (#19), should have had site EE
added opposite map, but was accidentally omitted; also need to add legend to
differentiate between ancillary plans and school
- in staff report one thing that the amendment was identified as accomplishing is
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including in support document, for FLUE, a more specific description of the
schools and support facilities
- school board, viewed as the developer, and the county discussed these issues as
acceptable agreements, but neither party likes them completely
- today's purpose is to begin implementation of those agreements and
incorporating or referencing them
*Dwight Richardson wanted assurance that the general public will have the
opportunity to react to these sites. He also wanted to know how the public will
be involved.
- Mr. Weeks stated that the interlocal agreements were advertised and a workshop
was held between the school board and the county commission
- the public's ability to interact is somewhat limited, except for high schools
(there must be a compatibility-review process by staff), this is because high
schools have larger parking lots and more sports activities
*Amy Taylor
- the state gives permission for new schools and they are usually built expediently
- this is due to schools currently bursting at their seems
- also, an over-site committee will be established for the public's input on
determining where new sites will be located
* David Weeks clarified that currently the public does not have that much input
on where schools are built, however, the public can attend school board
meetings. Yet the public is not notified personally of such meetings other than
through public means, like the Naples Daily News. The meetings are also
televised.
- Mrs. Taylor stated that this new interlocal agreement involves the public before
the property is purchased, along with the site-plan reviews, like landscaping
* Mark Strain made the comment to add a stipulation to this that during
compatibility reviews, impacted residents living within 1000 feet will be notified
* David Weeks said that there are currently zoning regulations that allow
the school board to put in a school without a public hearing process. Mr. Weeks
also answered questions relating to sidewalks and who would pay for them. He
stated that these are determined on a case-by-case basis and the school board
usually only pays for a portion of the sidewalk.
* There were no public speakers.
*Kenneth Abernathy asked for a motion. Mark Strain made a motion for transmittal
with the addition of local neighborhoods (not limited to 1000 feet) be notified of the
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potential use prior to purchase during the consistency review. Lora Jean Young
seconded the motion. It passed six to nothing.
CPSP-2003-5: Petition requesting text amendments to the Goals, Objectives and
Policies of the Future Land Use Element and the Recreational Open Space
Element in order to incorporate the Community Character/Smart Growth
principles adopted by the Advisory Committee. (Coordinator: John David
Moss)
*John David Moss
- went over goal #2 on p.3, goal #3 on p.5, and goal #2 on p.10
- some concerns by the staff:
- opposed to the committee's recommendation to delete the Orange
Blossom mixed-use district
- the fiscal impact associated with preparing the implemented regulations
- the general intent of these goals, objectives, and policies in the FLUE are
unclear
- the staff also requested, because of issues listed above, a transmittal of these
amendments and in the meantime work with the community character smart
growth advisory committee in order to iron out some of these problems
* Start Litsinger
- stated that the DCA will come in as a sort of arbiter
* some concerns were made about policy 2.1.1 (from p. 10), whether or not it was
mandatory or implied?
- Mr. Litsinger said that staff was bringing forth for transmittal a "work in
progress."
* David Wolfley had concern regarding the meaning and vagueness of wording,
for example in policy 2.1.3, "will assist," and "neighborhood" possibly changed
to "sub-division"
*Brad Schiffer said that this was changing an already suburban code into an
urban code. He also stated that currently there are "buffers" and he would like to
see it come forward after it finishes being a "work in progress"
*Mark Strain stated his questions/concerns:
- on p.3, policy 2.1.4, how will it be paid for?
- the policies are a good idea, but don't allow them to become exclusive
- objective 2.2, interconnect, prepare for in the policy?
- policy 2.2.1, gates with a single point of access?
- objective 2.3, land use diversity?
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- policy 2.3.2,
- policy 2.3.5,
- obi ective 3.1
- policy 3.1.1,
- policy 3.1.2,
- policy 3.2.1,
how's it going to work?
what else are you going to come up with?
, "great streets," what does that mean?
"medians wide enough," what specific width?
what's the point?
that will require staff time
- policy 3.2.3, what are the incentives?
- p.7, "PUD neighborhood village center"?
- p.8, similar paragraph, will this be cleaned up?
- p. 9, GMP amendment, who established that?
-p. 10, policy 2.1.3, are parks as essential service
by right or by conditional use?
- policy 2.2.1, "by 2010", this discrepancy needs
to be cleaned up
- policy 2.2.5, what are these incentives?
- p. 13, findings and conclusions, stating that this
is "not ready for transmittal and further analysis
is required"
- Mr. Litsinger clarified some of these issues.
*Public Speakers:
1.) Dwight Nadeau (planning manager for RWA)
- he supports the community character, thinks it's a great concept
- change/modify wording and list incentives
- encouragement should be done through land development
codes, rather than mandates
2.) Brad Cornell (Collier County Audubon)
- he does not believe that they have achieved what they wanted
to achieve, such as the mixed-use policies
- believes they should do this sooner than later
- how do they implement the mixed-use issues, through incentives,
encouragement, or mandates? (maybe a combination)
3.) Al Zichella (private citizen)
- lean away from mandates in code, because mandates always
ignore what the marketplace will demand
- the in-community character plan should consider allowing the
developer to make a market based plan instead of a
mandated plan
*Dwight Richardson stated that he has a vested interest and made a motion for
transmittal. Lora Jean Young seconded the motion. Mr. Abernathy took the
vote and it failed 1 to 5.
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* A short recess was taken. During the recess Lora Jean Young left.
*Paul White said that they needed to make a new motion.
*Kenneth Abernathy asked for a new motion. Mark Strain made a new motion
that they not transmit to the board of county commissioners at this time and allow
staff to refine discrepancies, along with staff to get their questions answered.
David Wolfley seconded the motion. The vote carded 5 to 0.
CPSP-2003-6: Petition requesting the adoption of the County Manatee
Protection Plan (MPP) and the amendment of the goals, objectives and policies
of the County's Conservation and Coastal Management Element and Future
Land Use Element to establish the Manatee Protection Plan (MPP).
(Coordinator: Darren Murphy)
*Darren Murphy (Collier County Comprehensive Planning)
- this plan has been adopted by the DCA
- it is a DRI exemption
- this petition, if adopted into the GMP, will be exempted from the DRI process
- the maps, on p.5, will be taken out (they were for reference purposes only)
*Patrick White stated that the maps have a regulatory function and are not just
for "reference."
- Mr. Murphy said that the maps were from 1995 and are not very accurate.
*Public Speaker:
1 .) Jacqueline Bart (Executive Director of the Marine Industries of Collier
County)
- the MPP is up for review and they are not sure if this needs to be
added to the GMP before it's reviewed
- if it does go into the GMP, then she wants assurance that the same
language will be used as is currently in the plan
*Darren Murphy told her that the language will not be changed.
*Mark Strain made a motion to recommend transmittal with the exemption of the
map. Brad Schiffer seconded the motion...
*David Weeks stepped in and informed the commissioners that there is a revision
that needs to be made. Darren Murphy concurred and pointed out that a language
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revision, on p.3 objective 10.1, needed to be made with the removal of the word
"may" and an "s" needed to be added to the word "restrict." Also, on p.4, under the
Urban-Mixed Use Districts, language needed to be added that was not currently in the
report. Mark Strain withdrew his motion. A decision was made to hold off on a
motion until the end of the day when Mr. Murphy will come back with the necessary
materials.
CPSP-2003-7: Petition requesting the adoption of a new Economic
Development Element including goals, objectives and policies to the Growth
Management Plan. (Coordinator: John David Moss & Randy Cohen)
*John David Moss (Comprehensive Planning)
- as part of the Community Development Block Grant Funding for the Incubator
Project in Immokalee, in which the county received $75,000 in grant monies
- the grant application included a commitment by Collier County to prepare an
optional economic element
- if the county does not come into compliance, then there is a possibility that the
county would have to repay that money
- prepared a non-committal economic element that sets forth the goals, objectives,
and policies stating that the county will support the commercial and industrial
activities associated with economic development in Collier County
- they are not committing the county to any action or expenditures of funds
*Kenneth Abernathy had a problem with economic development being in the GMP.
*Mark Strain was concerned about the wording of "will", such as policy 1.2.1.
*Paul White tried to reassure him that it would not mean that it's mandatory.
*David Weeks made a recommendation to delete references to the specific entity, for
example policy 1.3.1, on p.3, delete EDC
*Mark Strain wanted to see the wording of, "positive public image," in policy 1.1.5
to something more natural.
*Stan Litsinger made note that in policy 1.4.1 the words "such as" may be more
suitable to use.
*Mark Strain made a motion for transmittal stipulating that comments made about
language changes be incorporated. Dwight Richardson seconded the motion. The
motion passed 6 to 0.
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CPSP-2003-8: Amendments to the Capital Improvement Element (CIE),
Transportation Element, and Future Land Use Element to revise:
Transportation Concurrency Management policies to establish a real time
checkbook concurrency management system; To establish a Transportation
Concurrency Management Area (TCMA), and to adopt a Map of the proposed
TCMA within the Urban Designated Area on the Future Land Use Map
(FLUM); To establish two Transportation Concurrency Exception Areas
(TCEA), and to adopt a map of the proposed TCEAs within the Urban
Designated Area on the FLUM; and to add policies providing for fairshare
developer contributions, to the Multimodal Transportation Work Program ora
TCMA when directly impacting a deficient road segment. (Coordinator: Stan
Litsinger)
*Stan Litsinger
- this petition is generated by staff in response to policy direction from the board
of county commissioners and the county manager
- it consists of"phase 2" in the concurrency management system
- Mr. Litsinger went through each amendment change and accepted questions
as he proceeded
*Mark Strain questioned the hurricane evacuation routes. Don Scott attempted to
answer his question, but did not answer it completely. The point made was that 1-75
is not currently wide enough to handle the amount of residents during a hurricane, but
that's not halting development.
*Brad Schiffer asked a question regarding software used by the engineers and if
there's a coordination between private contractors software and that of the PUDs.
The staff replied that there is currently no uniformity or consistency.
*Don Scott stated that SYNCHRO is very costly. They are attempting to come up
with standard traffic analysis statements. He also attempted to explain that the fair-
share cost/calculation and the benefits involved.
*Stan Litsinger explained that the developer could pay the county to increase the
capacity of the system. The staff had been criticized in the past for not offering this
option.
*Brad Schiffer made note that the STP is prior to the building permit and also non-
refundable, along with 50% of the transportation impact fees.
*Dwight Richardson asked what happens to the road systems outside this map?
Don Scott stated that this was only estimated up to 2011 and that there are ongoing
studies for some sections of this map.
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*Some discussions was made about this causing a false positive, where it could show
that there would be a less need for build-up than it actually showed. Much of this is
based on data collected and may be misrepresented.
*Public Speakers:
1 .) David Ellis (Collier Building Association)
- reliance on 3 year plan to 1 year proposed by staff causes concern
- financial feasibility concems
- argument that 3 year plan is actually "real" time, 7 years is too long
- concerned about the excessive political process
2.) Al Zichella (on behalf of WCI communities)
- objects to change from 3 years to 1 year of the 5 year plan
- asking for "practical pragmatic" relief
~ needs certainty of process
- 3 years is actual real time
- he would like to see this plan amended to 3 years from proposed 1 year
*Stan Litsinger stated that the political concept is that they want the road
there before they approve the additional traffic on that road.
3.) Reed Jarvi (Transportation Special Engineer)
- very important to have language in comprehensive plan that causes the
road facilities to be built when they say they are to be built
- keep 3 year window for concurrency purposes
- change policy 5.8.1 from 85% to 75% in the TCMA
- hurricane season does not coincide with peak season for evacuation
and traffic purposes
- policy 5.4 with SYNCHRO, may be sof~ware choice for today but
not for tomorrow, would like to see flexibility in choosing computer
programs
*Mark Strain made mention to change "shall" to "encouraged" and change CIE 1.5.3.4
to state "planned" roadway facilities to avoid obligating. Mr. Strain also made a motion
for transmittal of petition CPSP-2003-8 with single stipulation that policy 1.5.3 sections
C & D will be utilized for 2 years instead of 1 ear. Lora Jean Young seconded the
motion. The motion failed 3 to 3.
*Brad Schiffer made a new motion stating the same as above, but changing it from 2
years to 3 years. Kenneth Abernathy seconded the motion. This motion passed 4 to 2.
· CPSP-2003-9: Petition requesting change to Overlays and Special Features of
the Land Use Designation Description Section of the Future Land Use
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Element, to certain noise contours as previously changed by Land Development
Code amendment on June 14, 2000. (Coordinator: Marcia Kendall)
*Marcia Kendall
- stated that the lines on map were brought up further to meet the criteria
*Lora Jean Young made motion to forward petition CPSP-2003-9 to the board of
county commissioners for the recommendation to transmit it to the Florida
Department of Community Affairs. Dwight Richardson seconded the motion. The
motion passed 6 to 0.
(continuation of CPSP-2003-6)
*Darren Murphy stated that the additional information provided is for informational
purposes and can be removed.
*David Weeks said that this material was added by recommendation of the county
attorney's office. It does no harm.
*Public Speaker:
1 .) Jacqueline Barr (Marine Industries Association)
- objective 10.1 made suggestion for correction
- they are fine with the proposed adoption
*Mark Strain made a motion to recommend for transmittal to board of county
commissioners and DCA petition CPSP-2003-6 with the corrections provided. Brad
Schiffer seconded the motion. The motion passed 6 to 0.
*There was no old business, new business, or public comment item. There being no
further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of
the chair, Kenneth Abernathy, at 1:17 PM.
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
CHAIRMAN KENNETH ABERNATHY
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