DSAC Minutes 07/02/2003 R & SJuly 2, 2003
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, July 2, 2003
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Development Services Advisory
Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on
this date at 3:30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Conference Room "E" in the Collier
County Development Services Center, Naples, Florida, with the following members
present:
CHAIRMAN:
Peter VanArsdale
Charles Abbott
Dalas Disney
Robert Duane
Marco Espinar
Blair Foley
Brian Jones
Dino Longo
Robert Mulhere
Justin Martin
Thomas Masters
Brian Milk (Excused)
Thomas Peek
Herbert Savage
ALSO PRESENT:
Patrick White, Assistant County Attorney
Susan Murray, Planning
Russell Webb, Planning
Linda Bedtelyon, CDES Admin.
Norman Feder, Transportation Adm.
Ed Kant, Transportation
Roy Andersen, Public Utilities
Rob French, Malcom Pirnie
Stan Chrzanowski, Planning
Ed Perico, Public Utilities
Margaret Wuerstle, Planning
Russ Muller, Planning
Tom Kuck,
Mike DeRuntz,
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DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
AGENDA
July 2, 2003
3:30 p.m.
I. Approval of Agenda
II. Approval of Minutes - June 4, 2003 Meeting
II. Staff Announcements
A. Development Services Update
B. Transportation Division Update
C. Public Utilities Division Update
III. Old Business
V. Subcommittee Reports
A. Land Development Regulation (Justin Martin)
B. Construction Code (Dino Longo)
C. Utility Code (Tom Masters)
D. Ad Hoc Committee on Fees
VI. New Business
A. Update on the Utility Stipulations, Technical Manual, and
Ordinance- Roy Anderson
B. Water and Wastewater Impact Fees and Meter Sizing-Tom Wides
C. New Structure for Transportation Department
VII. Committee Member Comments
July 2, 2003
SPECIAL "LDC" MEETING
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Meeting was called to order by Peter VanArsdale at 2:55 PM.
Patrick White mentioned to the Committee of having a staff member/s be delegated as an
ex officio member for the purposes of having a quorum. They may or may not have the
right to vote on matters. Mr. VanArsdale said they will discuss it at their regular
meeting.
- Section 2.2.33.22.13. - Permitted Uses (Bayshore Drive Mixed Use Overlay
District) - wording changes - discussion on wording of"Approval" or "Denial" - it
should say "why" denied - give reason.
A quorum was established at 3:00 PM.
- Section 2.4.3.1. - Landscaping & Buffering - okay on language - Michael Kirk,
School Board stated they support the changes. Reduction and relocation of plant material
is supported due to their Marching Bands. If the islands were landscaped they would
have to march around them.
Bob Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment 24418. Seconded by Justin Martin.
Carried 6-2. Marco Espinar & Brian Jones voting "no."
- Section 2.4.3.5 - Landscaping & Buffering - Bob Mulhere moved to approve
2.4.3.5. Seconded Bob Duane. Carried unanimously 8-0.
- Section 2.4.4.18.1. -Landscaping & Buffering- question on ability to maintain height
ofberms etc. Susan Murray (Staff) would prefer to do further study - release it from the
cycle or revise it. Language was discussed.
Tom Peek moved to change the wording and take "or equal to" out - and the
inclusion of language that would provide for Administrative Review for deviation,
and add "adjacent from center line". Seconded Bob Mnlhere. Carried 8-1. Brian
Jones voting "no".
- Section 2.4.5.2.1. - Landscaping &Buffering -pulled from the cycle.
- Section 2.4.5.4. - Landscaping & Buffering - Concerns were fiscal impacts - no
comments.
- Section 2.4.6.6. - Landscaping & Buffering - Subcommittee approved subject to
changing "wall structure height" to "building wall height". Discussed "50" & greater and
the canopy spread.
Justin Martin moved to accept changes under "b" should read "greater than 50"
and the third column should read "canopy spread" rather then tree spreads.
Seconded Tom Peek. Discussion followed. Carried 9-1. Brian Jones "no".
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- Section 2.4.7.3. - Landscaping & Buffering - The words "wet" and "dry" from
retention areas were removed. Discussion followed.
Tom Peek moved to approve with the removal of "wet" and "dry" identification
from the retention areas. (Dry retention area deleted) Seconded Tom Masters.
Carried unanimously 11-0.
- Section 2.4.7.4. - Landscaping & Buffering - Leaving the Buffering was changed to
10' not 20' but agreed to 15'
Bob Mulhere moved to change the buffering to 15'. Seconded Herb Savage.
Carried unanimously 11-0.
The regular DSAC meeting is scheduled for 3:30 PM so Committee decided to
convene the LDC Amendments until after their regular meeting.
Regular Meeting of the
Development Services Advisory Committee
July 2, 2003
3:30 PM
The meeting was called to order by Peter VanArsdale at 3:35 PM.
Approval of Agenda - A revised agenda was handed out. Tom Peek moved to
approve the Agenda as revised. Seconded Herb Savage.
Carried unanimously 11-0.
2. Approval of Minutes - June 4, 2003 meeting. Tom Masters moved to approve
the minutes of June 4, 2003. Seconded by Tom Peek.
Carried unanimously 11-0.
Staff Announcements:
A. Development Services Update
B. Transportation Division Update - Norm Feder/Ed Kant
Norm Feder also covered Item IV. Under New Business:
C. New Structure for Transportation Department.
He gave a hand-out to the Committee on the new organization structure
chart and reviewed it. (Attached) Ed Kant will be doing ROW Permitting
& Development Review. He feels this will make the Department more
responsive and shorten the time of reviews. They are looking for less
turn-around time.
Ed Kant stated his goal is having an average turn-around time and right
now they are seeing approx. 12 days. The quality of information given
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will make a difference and he is working with the planners to come up
with a better protocol for the distribution of plans etc. They will adhere to
the Land Development Code and have a new guideline manual for traffic
impact statements. This will all come through DSAC. If the quality and
quantity of information received is not there, it will not be considered in
the turn-around timeframe.
The Committee felt the response time is important, and if they know what
to do, they will do it. Mr. Kant gave everyone his e-mail address and
stated they should contact him immediately for any problems or concerns.
If they want to have a meeting to discuss issues, he is open to adhere to
their wishes - and that he cannot visualize things, he is a picture person, so
will meet anytime.
Peter VanArsdale mentioned they are trying to develop certain standards
and hope they establish a standard when working on their review process
and also a method of measuring their performance of standards.
Mr. Feder discussed the following:
- LDC Amendments and changes for Checkbook concurrency and Real
Time concurrency.
- The BCC is encouraging them to go to one year rather than three years.
- 59 projects vested for Transportation.
- Absorption rate.
- AUIR is direction of the Board for Budgeting
- Hwy 41 - problem - Vanderbilt to County line
- Hwy 41 - problem - east trail - Airport - and Santa Barbara north of
Golden Gate - only 4 lanes
- Working with Tallahassee - Transportation management area - Pine
Ridge to Livingston to NW part of County - discussed further
alternatives
- DCA Concurrence
- Computerized signalization - advanced design for second phase.
Hardware is in and trying to get the software. It was more efficient for
the County to take over the job from FDOT. Will help take the peaks
and valleys out and are still several years away.
- Long Range Transportation Plans - Modeling
- Impact Fees - Indexing - no changes
C. Public Utilities Division Update - Roy Anderson - Also Covered Item
VI. Under New Business - Update on the Utility Stipulations,
Technical Manual, and Ordinance - Handout (Attached)
He discussed the format and the standard construction specifications for
water/sewer and standard details.
Merging them into a single document using the format.
Updating is being done and will take approx. 2 months to prepare the first
draft and will work with the Utility Sub-Committee.
Will use the existing manual now.
- Updated version to DSAC by January 2004.
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- Current Ordinance will be used at this time.
Rob French - Malcolm Pirnie - Report on Recommended revisions to
Water Meter sizing and Impact Fee Methodology.
His report is attached.
He touched on the highlights:
- Asking DSAC and BCC to approve a modification in the method used to
assess the impact fees for non-residential connections to the water and
waste water system.
- Residential already based on an average daily flow.
- Proposing to be computed on the basis of the estimated average daily flow.
- Sub-Committee's recommendation was to go to an ERC basis rather than a
meter size.
Bob Mulhere moved to approve the recommendation of the Utility
Sub-Committee including the water meter size and impact fee work
sheet. Second by Blair Foley.
A lengthy discussion followed on the financial impact in terms of a
percentage in rates of impact fees. Impact fees on meter size now based
on ERC's and could be going up.
Carried unanimously 13-0.
IV.
Old Business:
- Patrick White gave an updated report on FEMA. He has a five
minute air time on the radio giving a message for people to contact
their elected officials on the Golden Gate Study.
- Mr. VanArsdale approached the subject of needing a more
efficient procedure of knowing if they are going to have a quorum
or not. He will talk with Joe Schmitt concerning the problem and a
solution. Discussion followed on their meeting times with the
LDC Amendments and their regularly scheduled meetings.
For the next cycle of the LDC Amendments and final DSAC
review meeting; was decided that all DSAC members will be
notified and can and should attend the final Sub-Committee
meeting if they have issues. Those issues can then be addressed at
that time. (They will be notified by e-mail)
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Subcommittee Reports:
A. Land Development Regulation (Bob Duane) - still meeting.
B. Operations & Budget (Dino Longo) - meeting next Wed. July
9th, 3:00 PM. (Standards for Building Permits will be discussed)
C. Utility Code (Justin Martin) - Minutes (Attached) Would like to
have the worksheet on the Website.
VI. New Business - each item was addressed earlier.
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VII.
Committee Member Comments - Couldn't get PSP's in this cycle
and had hoped to see a budget from Joe Schmitt at the meeting.
*** The next regular scheduled meeting will be August 6, 2003 at 3:30
PM which will include LDC Amendments.
It was noted "If" the Agenda has many items at any given time; the committee
could meet earlier at which time everyone would be notified.
Being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was
adjourned by order of the Chair at 4:47 PM at which time they reconvened
with their LDC Amendment meeting.
SPECIAL "LDC" MEETING (CONT.)
The LDC Meeting reconvened at 4:48 PM.
- Section 2.4.7.5. - Landscaping and Buffering - minor wording changes.
Robert Duane moved for approval. Second by Bob Mulhere.
Carried unanimously 12-0.
- Section 2.5.5 - Permitted Signs - Sub-Committee did not review.
Robert Duane moved for approval. Second by Bob Mulhere.
Carried unanimously 11-0.
- Section 2.6.11. - Fences - Minor wording changes.
Robert Duane moved to approve. Second by Dino Longo.
Carried unanimously 10-0.
- Section 2.7.2.3.5. - Zoning Amendment Procedures - Robert Duane moved for
approval. Second by Blair Foley. Discussed time frame. Carried unanimously 10-0.
- Section 2.7.3.6. - Zoning Amendment Procedures - Justin Martin moved to
approve. Second by Robert Duane. Carried 10-0.
(Marco Espinar was out of the room)
- Section 3.2.8.4.1.16. - Subdivisions - Blair Foley moved to approve. Second by
Herb Savage. Carried unanimously 11-0.
- Section 3.3.7.1.9. - Site Development Plans - Robert Duane moved to approve.
Seconded.
Justin Martin objected that it could be in a more appropriate place. It is redundant.
Asked if they could change the code. It is enforceable. Can't get building permit until
the LDC and GMP are met, and needs to be put in the proper section. Discussion
followed in inside lots.
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Tom Peek moved to rescind the previous motion. Second Justin Martin. Carried
9-0.
Tom Peek moved to delete the proposed changes in this section of the LDC.
Seconded Justin Martin. Carried 9-0.
Tom Peek moved to deny and include the Sidewalk Parking Section. Second by
Dino Longo. Carried 9-0.
- Section 2.7.7. Page 53 - Affordable Housing density bonus - Dino Longo moved to
approve. Second by Robert Duane. Carried 9-0.
- Section 6.3 - Definitions - Robert Duane moved for approval. Second by Justin
Martin. Carried 9-0.
- Page 56 - Typical Street Sections and Right-of-Way Design Standards - Robert
Duane moved to approve. Second by Herb Savage. Carried 8-1.
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjoumed
by order of the Chair at 5:10 PM.
COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN PETER VAN ARSDALE
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