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CAC Minutes 06/12/2003 RJune 12, 2003 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, June 12, 2003 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Coastal Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 1:30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Gary Galleberg Ron Pennington James Snediker David Roellig John Strapponi John Arceri Bedford Biles Anthony Pires (2:20) William Kroeschell (Excused) ALSO PRESENT: Ron Hovell, Coastal Projects Manager Jack Wert, Tourism Director Dr. Jon Staiger, City of Naples Page 1 NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN OF A COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOARDROOM, THIRD FLOOR, W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING (ADMINISTRATION), AT THE COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX, 3301 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, NAPLES, FLORIDA AT 1:30 P.M. ON JUNE 12, 2003. ONE OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY TELEPHONE AS LONG AS A QUORUM IS ?HYSICALLY PRESENT. AGENDA 0 Se 6. 7. 8. Roll Call Additions to Agenda New Business a. Sand Search and Hardbottom Mapping Report b. [add - Sand Search Phase 3 and Marine Resources Investigation Work Orders] C. [add - Coastal Protection Inc. TDC Grant Application] d. [add - Surfsedge request for reimbursement] e. [add - Hideaway Beach Renourishment Permitting Work Order] f. [add - Marco Island grading plans - select a consultant] g. [add - FYI Lowdermilk Park Parking Lot] Old Business a. Tourist Development Tax Funding Policy for Category 'A' Projects b. Review of Recommendations made on May 8, 2003 Audience Participation Committee Member Comments Schedule next meeting [July l0th, Aug. 14th, or Sept. 11th] Adjournment ADDITIONALLY, THIS NOTICE ADVISED THAT, IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE BY THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS MEETING, HE WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THAT FOR SUCH PURPOSE, HE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. June 12, 2003 Chairman Gary Galleberg called the meeting to order at 1:30 PM. 1. Roll Call: Roll was taken and a quorum established with Mr. Kroeschell being excused and Mr. Pires attending later. 2. Additions to the Agenda: A revised Agenda was given to all members indicating the additions. They are adding: - Sand Search Phase 3 and Marine Resources Investigation Work Orders - Grant Application from Coastal Protection, Inc. for Dune Fencing - Surfsedg¢ request for reimbursement (looking for recommendation) - Hideaway Beach Renourishment Permitting Work Order - Marco Island grading plans - selecting a consultant - Lowdermilk Parking Lot - Grant Application Mr. Galleberg would like materials in time for their meetings or put on next month's agenda so it has been publicly announced.. It was also noted to have minutes in their packets in a timely fashion. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the additions to the Agenda. Seconded Mr. Strapponi. Carried unanimously 7-0. New Business: d. Surfsedge Request for Reimbursement - They appeared before the Board of County Commissioners - petitioned for their costs and will appear on the Agenda at the June 24th BCC meeting. Mr. Hovell noted in the February minutes the Committee gave staff direction to give costs - no specific vote. The Committee felt there was no obligation for reimbursement as it was a natural act. Mr. Pennington moved not to reimburse Surfsedge for removal of sand or shrubbery as it is not a public benefit, nor appropriate use of Tourist Tax dollars. Seconded Mr. Roellig. Dr. Staiger stated south of Doctors Pass several condominiums have been removing wind blown sand at their own expense for 20 years. Precedent in the City has been the responsibility of the property owners. They are given a field permit to remove it, but do not expect the city to pay for it. Mr. Galleberg added Commissioner Coyle thought it may have been caused by the County, after hearing from staff and Dr. Staiger that was not the case. Mr. Pennington amends his motion adding, "It was not an action of the County, but a natural occurrence and physical characteristics of the area". Mr. Roellig amends his second. Carried unanimously 7-0. e. Hideaway Beach Renourishment Permitting Work Order - (Attached) - Permitting $4.5M T-Groin/Design Page 2 June 12, 2003 Mr. Pennington moved to approve the permitting request for the Work Order for Hideaway Beach Renourishment. Seconded Mr. Roellig. Discussion followed on the following: Need light at end of jetty & plastic capping over the T portion of T-Groin #5. Project is currently budgeted Is designed as one project- T-Groin & Renourishment Project can not be phased; State would not permit only installing structures, have to provide fill for permit to be provided. Would have to do redesign if project was separated. (Requiring more rock) - Mr. Hovell felt it was a financial decision last month and not physical construction. The Board of County Commissioners has deferred action on the project, staff has an approved project to design and will execute what has been approved. - Mr. Humiston stated they can modify the permit if the goals and objectives change. If the project was phased, the nourishment should be done first and then followed with structures. They would have a hard time getting approval from agencies to put in structures without nourishment. But sand can go in without structures. - Mr. Galleberg would like to see the minimum amount of sand for T-Groins, but not the 240,000 cubic yards. He stated this is a major policy point in Coastal affairs in Collier County. - Discussion followed on the permitting stage, not doing the renourishment, and what may be in violation of the State. The Committee could approve the project now and still have options open to reduce the sand fill in the future. (Mr. Pires arrived at 2:20 PM) - Mr. Hovell explained this would go to the BCC on June 24th for a Work Order approval, if approved the permit application would go to the Coastal Advisory Committee on Sept. 11th to approve the submission of the permit application for $21,600 (to prepare the permit) $80,000 is for responding to the State. Mr. Snediker stated they were presented the plans, all the drawings, discussed it in January and the Committee voted not to do Plan 2 but to do Plan 1. Mr. Itumiston recollected Mr. Snediker wanted Humiston & Moore to reduce the scope of the project and did a conceptual plan on a portion of it and presented a proposal to do a redesign to Mr. Hovell. He recollected the Committee decided to stay with the original plan. Page 3 June 12, 2003 The above motion carried unanimously 8-0. f. Marco Island Grading Plans & selecting a consultant - Mr. Hovell showed the slopes, moving the sand and the grading on the visualizer. Mr. Snediker moved to approve the concept for grading the sand. Seconded Tony Pires. The committee decided it would be best to have Mr. Hovell choose thc consulting firm. Motion carried unanimously 8-0. ge FYI Lowdermilk Park Parking Lot - City submitted a grant application for $375,000 for the parking lot. It is a beach parking lot and is eligible for Tourist Tax funds. Mr. Snediker discussed the number of parking spaces to be used by tourist and residents and the condition of the parking lot. It was noted the parking lot was and is used for trucking in sand and needs restoration. Mr. Roellig moved to recommend approval of the $375,000 grant application for Lowdermilk Park Parking lot restoration. Seconded Mr. Pennington. Carried 7-1. Mr. Snediker voting "no". 2:40 PM- BREAK 3:00 PM- RECONVENED Old Business: A. Tourist Development Tax Funding Policy for Category "A" Projects Part of the tape from the BCC meeting was played for the Committee summarizing the direction the Commissioners want the Coastal Advisory Committee to take. There had been much discussion about the policy brought forward by Mr. Dunnuck and Parks and Recreation. The importance of access over renourishment was discussed. The motion to accept the policy failed 3-2 by the Commissioners. The Commissioners are asking the Coastal Advisory Committee and Tourist Development Committee for a policy addressing public access. Mr. Pennington brought up the following items: - Committee is made up of persons representing their immediate area and staff has chosen to ignore it. - He described the history and how the Coastal Advisory Committee was formed. Page 4 June 12, 2003 Original Ordinance is for 60% of beach Renourishment and activity In the past Commission added a third cent - totally for beach renourishment. He is opposed to what staff has proposed. Can not plan a maintenance program on possibility of State & Federal government approving funds. Mr. Arceri presented a (handout) document to the Committee members. (Copy not provided) Problem - plan to achieve the goal of beach access. Plan should be based on "needs". Staff is shifting strategy of funds from beach maintenance to land acquisition. Staff is basing plans on Federal & State funding criteria. Coastal Advisory Committee's proposal was not formally presented to BCC or TDC. Tourist Development was politically driven. CAC plan brings all Collier Beaches up to standards with a budget surplus - Need to identify access points and determine the present and future access needs. Other overall remarks and suggestions of concern were: - Need & Stability for Beaches - Parking Spaces discussed - CAC should reconsider a consultant do a study - $30-35,000 - Public access doesn't mean it should be funded out of Beach Renourishment funds. - Need to address realities. - A revised proposal by Mr. Pennington was e-mailed to Committee members. (Copy not provided) He read and discussed the Ordinance of the Committee's responsibilities, powers and duties. Was recommended Mr. Galleberg and members of the City Council of Marco Island ask their City Council members to formally express their concerns and opposition to the County Commission regarding the proposal by staff. Mr. Hovell stated the BCC approved and adopted the Beach Access Master Plan at their June 27th meeting. The Growth Management Plan requires, as beach renourishment projects are done, they evaluate public beach access, and if not sufficient, they shall acquire additional access as part of the project. Page 5 June 12, 2003 - Parks and Recreation is working through the Master Plan to recommend which projects need to go for which funds. - The BCC directed a Policy on "Beach Use & Access" come back to them at their September 23rd meeting. Mr. Pennington read from the Master Plan on parking, shuttle buses, parking garage, boardwalks and restrooms in the various beach areas in the County. The Sub-Committee disregarded parking in the policy. - Mr. Strapponi stated they have a responsibility to the BCC & the public to present their position and present it in a professional document. - Mr. Snediker would like to see the State Attorney Generals office research the legal ability to use TDC funds to acquire land. - He suggested Mr. Arceri try to put a policy together with everyone's comments along with Mr. Pennington's revised proposal. Mr. Arceri will get a draft finished by the end of June to Mr. Hovell. The Committee will review it and suggest revisions, at their next meeting. Mr. Hovell will check the schedule for a date of their next meeting which will be decided at a later date. 4:40 PM- BREAK 4:45 PM -RECONVENED (Mr. Pires left) Ct Coastal Protection Inc. TDC Grant Application - Sand Dune Fencing - Nick Alteen & Jen Alteen - A Power Point Presentation was presented - (Booklet attached) It covered: - Different process for erosion - High water Line - Showed pictures south of Naples Pier - Protects the sea oats or dune grasses - Showed pictures of the dune fencing in Massachusetts - Discussed the fence catching the sand - Showed wave erosion and coastal currents - Showed different structures - They would like to have a test site in Collier County. - A lengthy discussion followed on the fencing, permitting, turtle nesting, dune funding and a possible site for Surfsedge. Mr. Alteen has met with Surfsedge and no question this process would work in their area. He could do 500 feet for approx. $30.00 a linear foot. They would see a difference in a matter of months. They also discussed Hideaway Beach. Page 6 June 12,2003 After reviewing all the facts they will research the permitting process. Mr. Alteen will withdraw the application until a more specific location and plan is provided. 3a. & b. Sand Search and Hardbottom Mapping Report and Sand Search, Phase 3 and Marine Resources Investigation Work Orders - Steve Keehn - Coastal Planning and Engineering - A power point presentation was given for a proposal for the next step in the process of the Renourishment for the northem Collier County beaches. - Plan and report can be ready by August. - Had meeting with Jim DeLony on scope of services and project. Committee had a copy of the report on the detailed sand search, samples, and the Cultural and Marine Resource investigation report and permitting. Additional $400,000 needed. The total cost for the fee proposal is $899,000. (Mr. Strapponi left at 5:50 PM) A lengthy discussion pursued on planning and prioritizing the Budget. Staff recommends approval of the two work orders. Mr. Snediker moved to recommend approval of the two work orders. Seconded Mr. Roellig. Carried unanimously 6-0. 5. Audience Participation - None Committee Member Comments - Mr. Roellig would like to see what steps are required for funding for a Shore Protection Policy for Collier County. He would like to see it on the next Agenda. 7. Schedule next meeting - one or two meetings held before Labor Day - dates to be determined. There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 6:10 PM. COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN GARY GALLEBERG Page 7