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CAC Minutes 05/08/2003 RMay 8, 2003 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, May 8, 2003 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 1:30 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Gary Galleberg William Kroeschell Ron Pennington James Snediker David Roellig-Absent (Excused) John Strapponi-Absent (Excused) John Arceri Bedford Biles Anthony Pires ALSO PRESENT: Ron Hovell - Coastal Projects Manager Jack Wert - Tourism Director Dr. Jon Staiger -City of Naples Page 1 NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN OF A COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOARDROOM, THIRD FLOOR, W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING (ADMINISTRATION), AT THE COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX, 3301 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, NAPLES, FLORIDA AT 1:30 P.M. ON MAY 8, 2003. AGENDA o 6. 7. 8. Roll Call Additions to Agenda New Business a. Sand Search and Hardbottom Mapping Report b. Proposed TDC Category "A" Funding Policy Old Business a. Draft 10-Year Plan b. Collier Creek Maintenance Dredging TDC Grant Application c. FY 2004 Beach Maintenance TDC Grant Applications i. Annual Beach Renourishment ii. County / Naples Beach Renourishment iii. Hideaway Beach Renourishment with Upland Sand iv. Hideaway Beach Renourishment with Offshore Sand v. Beach Cleaning Operations vi. Marco Island South Beach Renourishment d. FY 2004 Beach Park Facilities TDC Grant Applications i. Barefoot Beach Back Bay Pier ii. Barefoot Beach Entrance iii. Clam Pass Parking Lot Resurfacing iv. Pedestrian Beach Access e. Marco Island Beaches, Breakwaters and Caxambas Pass Annual Monitoring Work Order f. Review of Recommendations made on April 10, 2003 Audience Participation Committee Member Comments Schedule next meeting Adjournment ADDITIONALLY, THIS NOTICE ADVISED THAT, IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE BY THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS MEETING, HE WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THAT FOR SUCH PURPOSE, HE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. May 8, 2003 e Roll Call: Chairman Gary Galleberg called the meeting to order and noted there was a quorum with Mr. Roellig and Mr. Strapponi absent. Additions to the Agenda: - Approval of Minutes for February, March and April 2003 - Hideaway Beach access improvements & environmental studies - Work Order Amendment - Supplemental Grant - Gordon Pass - City of Naples - 50/50 Grant Mr. Pennington moved to approve the minutes for February, March and April 2003. Seconded Mr. Arceri. Carried 7-0. New Business: b. Proposed TDC Category "A" Funding Policy - two meetings were held with the sub-committee agreeing unanimously on the policy submitted. Mr. Pennington discussed the Federal and State Funding and seeing it is already a policy by ordinance recommended to delete "Paragraph IV." Mr. Pennington moved to approve the policy with deleting Paragraph "IV". Seconded Mr. Arceri. Under discussion Mr. Hovell stated it would go to the TDC and then to the Board of County Commissioners. Would not be a change in the Ordinance, just a "policy" of how to execute the Ordinance. Mr. Pennington stated if it is in an Ordinance, everyone can see it and it doesn't "get lost". An opinion by the County Attorney is needed. Mr. Pires doesn't think it should be in the Ordinance, but wondered if it actually addressed prioritization in funding. He would like to see something in the policy that would provide enhancements or complimentary funding sources from other agencies. - Discussion sums up the policy being flexible, a good balance being for the public benefit and fairness to the whole community and county. Motion carried 6-1. Mr. Pires voting "no". Old Business: - Mr. Galleberg stated the "10 Year Plan" FY '05 is a $5M deficit that needs to show zero. Mr. Snediker handed out a sheet on "How to Balance the CC Budget". (Attached) - His handout was discussed along with Ken Humiston from Humiston & Moore concerning the T-Groins and delaying the sand project for a year. Mr. Humiston had concerns about delaying the project. - Mr. Galleberg suggested not budgeting for the truck haul in FY '04. He discussed the savings it would incur. - Discussion followed on possible reduction of budget revenues for next year and prioritizing the projects. Page 2 May 8, 2003 b. Collier Creek Maintenance Dredging TDC Grant Application - the County Attorneys memo states the Board makes certain findings and is looking for recommendation from the Coastal Advisory Committee. It needs to be decided whether the dredging promotes tourism and the body of water constitutes an inland lake or river to meet the specifications of the Florida Statutes. The project does not promote putting sand on the beach. Mr. Pennington moved to recommend denial of the request for the Grant Application for the Collier Creek Maintenance Dredging. Seconded Mr. Kroeschell. This is not currently budgeted. Mr. Arceri stated it is a major tourist attraction and requires access through this particular point. Discussion followed on whether it is part of the coastal system and Mr. Ladrzo, Public Works Director/Marco Island discussed the cost being distributed 50/50 with Marco Island and TDC funding. - Mr. Ladrazo also talked about "clean sand", if the material is beach compatible sand and the committee reviewing and possibly deferring the matter at this time. - Mr. Arceri noted it is beach quality sand, has a public purpose, promotes tourism, and would like to have Marco Island pay 60% and the County $130,000. - Mr. Ladrazo withdrew the Grant Application until more information is given and can be submitted t a later date. Mr. Pennington withdrew his motion with Mr. Kroeschell withdrawing his second. c. FY 2004 Beach Maintenance TDC Grant Applications: 1. Annual Beach Renourishment: Mr. Snediker moved not to approve the Grant Application for Annual Beach Renourishment. Seconded Mr. Pires. Carried 7-0. 2. County/Naples Beach Renourishment: (Vanderbilt, Park Shore & Naples) - If the projects were split into the three beaches, would have to add $1M for each split for direct cost for construction. If all three are done together, only pay $1M once. - Discussion followed between Steve Keane of Coastal Engineering and the Committee members on the possibility of the renourishment being done in 2005 and deferring the wood groins. Budget concerns were expressed. - Permitting was discussed and Mr. Arceri would like to authorize the $9M for renourishment and defer the T-Groins to 2005. Mr. Kroeschell moved to approve and authorize the Grant for $9M for the renourishment and defer the Wood Groin project of $1M to 2005. Seconded Mr. Pires. Carried 7-0. Page 3 May 8, 2003 3. Hideaway Beach Renourishment with Upland Sand: - Trucking the sand in will be done on private roads of the Hideaway Beach access. The beach is getting closer and closer to the condos each year with the erosion rates higher and higher every year. The public accessibility is still a concem. - Would the T-Groins stop the level of erosion was asked. Ken Humiston stated it would reduce it. Different costs were discussed concerning the T-Groins, placing the sand and addressing the serious erosion problem with something needing to be done by this winter. The T-Groins will help to reduce the erosion. - Mr. Hovell stated they do not have permits, would put the money in the budget in 2004, award contracts this summer and start construction in 2005. Accessibility of Hideaway Beach was discussed and when talking about renourishment Mr. Galleberg wasn't sure it related to Tourism. - Mr. Pennington was not in favor of putting sand on the beach for renourishment unless it has public access. SPEAKERS Bruce Anderson - Representing Hideaway Beach Assoc. - He commented on the engineering. Hideaway Beach is a critical erosion area identified by thc DEP. Public Accessibility was addressed. FL Supreme Court recognized the areas funded with TDC money met a statutory requirement which was public accessibility. Public Boat Ramp is number one priority in the County's Comprehensive Plan for shoreline uses. Hideaway provides public access through the boat ramp. Only funding source for beach rcnourishment is tourist tax. Marco Island had a Beach Renourishmcnt Taxing District which was taken away by the County when another Tourist Tax was increased. He said it should have been left as it was. Section 161.211 Florida Statutes has an obligation for Collier County to maintain a renourished beach when an erosion control line has been established as Hideaway Beach. Statute provides the property owners to petition the Governor and Cabinet to order the County to do it. Hc would like to honor the past agreements to the people of Marco Island. David Somers - General Manager Hideaway Beach - he noted people are willing to walk a distance to use Hideaway Beach and Sand Dollar Island. Hideaway was originally part of the Taxing District on Marco Island. Sand was placed on the main beach and on Hideaway from the Taxing District. Hideaway Master Assoc.'s documents state they can assess their members for common areas. To provide for cost sharing for the project may not be able to be done legally. They are limited by their documents. Page 4 May 8, 2003 - Mr. Galleberg noted they are talking about the 1978/79 boat ramp agreement for easement. This decision does not go with that agreement. It is something different than this issue. - A lengthy discussion followed whether Hideaway Beach has public access for the funding. Mr. Snediker moved to approve the T-Groins for $2.3M and approve the $600,000 for truck hauling this fall and hold until 2005 for further consideration for sand renourishment and funding. Seconded Mr. Biles. The motion was withdrawn along with the Second by Mr. Biles. Mr. Snediker moved to approve the Hideaway Beach renourishment with upland sand for approx. $600,000 on Item 3. Second by Mr. Kroeschell. Carried 7-0. 4. Hideaway Beach Renourishment with Offshore Sand: Mr. Snediker moved to approve the Hideaway Beach Renourishment, approving the T-Groin portion, for fiscal year 2004 Budget and delay consideration of the renourishment to the 2005 Budget with further discussion on funding. Seconded Mr. Pennington. Carried 7-0. BREAK 4:15 PM RECONVENED 4:30 PM (Mr. Pires did not return) o Beach Cleaning Operations: Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Beach Cleaning Operations for the Grant of $246,000. Seconded by Kroeschell. Carried 6-0 Marco Island South Beach Renourishment: Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Marco Island South Beach Reuourishment Grant. Seconded Mr. Snediker. Mr. Galleberg reminded the committee they are still short $1M in the Budget. Further discussion followed on the shallow, narrow channel and the markings. Rajesh Srinivas - Taylor Engineering - discussed the channel shifting changes, permits, and re-dredging. Mr. Hovcll discussed taking advantage of the FEMA funds and possibly 50,000 cubic yards of sand being used. Mr. Pennington withdrew his motion and Mr. Snediker withdrew his second. Page 5 May 8, 2003 Mr. Arceri moved to budget $600,000 for 2004, combined with prior years commitment of $326,000 = $926,000 and approx. 100,000 cubic yards of sand for the 2004 and 2005 budget and the remaining $50,000 for review at a later date. Seconded by Mr. Pennington. Carried 6-0. FY 2004 Beach Park Facilities TDC Grant Applications: 1. Barefoot Beach Back Bay Pier- Mr. Pennington moved denial of the grant application for Barefoot Beach Back Bay Pier. Seconded by Mr. Kroeschell. Carried 6-0. e Barefoot Beach Entrance -Guard Station Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Barefoot Beach Entrance Grant. After careful review of thc letter from the Attorney, Mr. Pennington withdrew his motion. The last paragraph of the letter stated she couldn't see how the entrance would be eligible. Mr. Pennington moved recommendation of denial for the Barefoot Beach Entrance. Second Mr. Biles. Carried 6-0. Clam Pass Parking Lot Resurfacing - Mr. Hovell reminded the Committee they did not have to vote on particular issues such as the next items. The Committee felt if they are coastal issues and beach related they should be voting on these particular grants for Category "A" items. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Clam Pass Parking Lot Resurfacing Grant. Seconded by Mr. Arceri. Carried 6-0. 4. Pedestrian Beach Access- This is located in the Vanderbilt area and is to improve accessibility. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Pedestrian Beach Access Grant. Seconded by Mr. Arceri. Carried 6-0. Marco Island Beaches, Breakwaters and Caxambas Pass Annual Monitoring Work Order: Mr. Rajesh stated it is not a permit requirement. Surveys are done on an annual basis to receive FEMA funds. This has already been approved and should be done same time each year. Discussion followed on the pros and cons in skipping a year on the monitoring. Mr. Arceri moved to cancel the current year projects of Marco Island Beaches, Breakwaters and Caxambas Pass proposals and use the 2004 package next year in which the money will be added to the Reserves for '04. Seconded by Mr. Pennington. Carried 6-0. Page 6 May 8, 2003 3. New Business: Supplemental Grant-Gordon Pass Jetty - Dr. Staiger-Resources Manager, City of Naples - Covered budget handout (attached). Covered the costs and explained the bids and figures. Mr. Hovell explained the grant is for a total of $51,030 coming out of reserves. Mr. Arceri moved authorization of $51,030 out of 2003 reserves. Seconded by Mr. Pennington. Carried 6-0. 4. a. Draft 10 Year Plan Mr. Arceri moved to approve the 10-Year Plan as outlined. Seconded by Mr. Pennington. Carried 6-0. A lengthy discussion followed on funding sources, renourishment, t-groins and understanding of previous motions. Mr. Snediker moved to approve the 30 foot wide Environmental study for $25,000 for Hideaway Beach. Seconded by Mr. Arceri. Carried 6-0. f. Review of Recommendations made on April 10, 2003. The TDC recommended a grant application for the City of Naples for approx. $254,000 relating to monitoring the South Gordon Drive T-Groins for three years with fill and repairs. Mr. Hovell and Mr. Wert suggested funding one year at a time. Mr. Snediker moved to support the TDC's recommendation for the monitoring of the South Gordon Dr. T-Groins suggestion of funding one year at a time. Seconded and carried 6-0. 5. Audience Participation - none 6. Committee Member Comments - Committee likes the dividers provided with their Agendas. 7. Schedule next meeting There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 5:40 PM. COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN GARY GALLEBERG Page 7