EAC LDC Stakeholder's Meeting Agenda 08/26/2009 Environmental LDC Amendments Stakeholders Meeting
Community Development and Environmental Services Division
2800 North Horseshoe Drive, Naples, Florida
August 26, 2009
9:00 a.m. until 12:00 noon
Room 610
Agenda
1. Review of draft LDC amendments as they go through public hearings
Once an LDC amendment starts the public hearing process, they can be viewed on the
-- County's LDC web page (link to web page provided below). The link to "Individual
Amendments" is located on the bottom of the web page.Amendments only get posted on
the web page when they are ready to go through public hearings.As amendments go
through the different boards, they are updated and placed on the web page.
http://www.colliergov.net/Index.aspx?page=772
2. Roundtable discussion of draft LDC amendments
a. Stormwater Uses in Preserves
b. Recreational Uses in Preserves
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John/Lavah: attached is a public notice for another environmental LDC amendment stakeholders meeting to be held by
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August 6, 2009
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DIVISION
ENGINEERING AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 2009
Notice is hereby given that the Collier County Government Community Development and Environmental
.-. Services Division,Engineering and Environmental Services Department will hold a public meeting to
discuss environmental Land Development Code Amendments on Wednesday,August 26 at 9 a.m. at the
Community Development and Environmental Services Division building, conference room 610, located at
2800 N. Horseshoe Drive,Naples.
All interested parties are invited to attend.
Attention: two or more members of the Collier County Planning Commission may be present and may
participate at the meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for discussion and
action at a Collier County Planning Commission meeting.
Attention: two or more members of the Environmental Advisory Council may be present and may
participate at the meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for discussion and
action at an Environmental Advisory Council meeting.
Attention: two or more members of the Development Services Advisory Committee may be present
and may participate at the meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for
discussion and action at a Development Services Advisory Committee meeting.
Attention: two or more members of the Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Advisory Committee
may be present and may participate at the meeting.The subject matter of this meeting may be a future
item for discussion and action at a Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Advisory Committee
meeting.
Attention: two or more members of the Habitat Conservation AdvisoryCommittee maybe present
and may participate at the meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for
discussion and action at a Habitat Conservation Advisory Committee meeting.
If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding,
you are entitled, at no cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County
Facilities Management Department, located at 3301 E. Tamiami Trail, Naples, FL 34112, (239) 252-8380, at
least two days prior to the meeting. Assisted listening devices for the hearing impaired are available in the
Board of County Commissioners Office.
For more information, call Mike Sheffield at (239) 252-8383.
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Environmental LDC Amendments Stakeholders Meeting
August 26, 2009
9:00 a.m. – 12:30 p.m.
Staff presented item 1 on the agenda
Roundtable discussion of draft LDC amendments
Stormwater in Preserves:
LDC amendment language:
FISCAL & OPERATIONAL IMPACTS: Having criteria when treated stormwater is
allowed within preserves will help staff and applicants during the permitting process
since specific criteria will be available by which to review and design of projects.
Where stormwater lakes and dry retention areas do not provide enough retention and
stormwater is not allowed to be discharged into preserves, additional retention area will
have to be provided. More intensely developed sites or those with more site constraints
may be affected by limiting the amount of land that can be used for structures, parking
— and the like. Cost of providing additional storage would vary based on the design of the
project and cost of land. The cost of land would be determined by a variety of factors
such as location of the project, zoning, and market conditions.
Additional water added to certain types of habitats could result in changes to the
environment within the preserve, including die-off of existing native vegetation or
increase in exotic and nuisance vegetation. Restoration or recreation of habitat may be
required resulting in additional cost to the homeowners or developer.
Exotic vegetation removal covered by routine maintenance and management of the
preserve, and should not be included in Fiscal and Operational Impacts
Not allowing stormwater in preserves may not make a project financially feasible,
especially for smaller projects
Creates a financial benefit as well, to allow stormwater in preserves
Stormwater previously allowed in upland preserves, not restricted in past by LDC
LDC amendment language:
a) Stormwater discharges entering the
preserve must be treated to meet the water
quality volumetric requirements of Section
5.2.1(a) of the Basis of Review For
Environmental Resource Permit
Applications Within the South Florida Water
Management District, (SFWMD February
2006) and meet the requirements of the
Watershed Management regulations of
Section 3.07.00. Discharge of stormwater
into a preserve shall be in a controlled
manner to prevent erosion, scour, and to
promote even distribution.
100% requirement that district has?
SFWMD requires 150%prior to off-site discharge (to clean-up off-site discharge)
150%pretreatment prior to discharge to preserves required now by LDC
Basis of Review and Interim Water Management Plan in conflict now
SFWMD requiring 150% pre-treatment now, prior to discharging to preserves
Harper analysis adding to hardship
2010 is when watershed management plans are expected to come into effect
Reference watershed management plan in amendment
Should provide backup data or links to web pages, for stakeholders to read
May not be able to distribute Deuver's study
LDC amendment language:
b) Stormwater may be discharged into portions
of preserves that are comprised of
jurisdictional wetlands, uplands comprised
solely of hydric soils, uplands that serve as
buffers around the wetland, in accordance
with the approved SFWMD Environmental
Resource Permit (ERP), or a combination
thereof. The hydric nature of the soils must
be field verified by the applicant using the
methodology in Chapter 62-340, F.A.C.
Water budgets should be considered
Conservancy's language:
b.) For the purposes of this section, no adverse impact to the naturally occurring
native vegetation will be met if the total inundation within the preserve (naturally
occurring water levels + stormwater) can be demonstrated not to exceed the
maximum seasonal water levels and the annual maximum length and days of
inundation (hydroperiod).
Need to define advice impacts
Deuver's numbers are averages, not maximums
Annual monitoring report will monitor health of preserves and therefore determine
adverse impacts
What is a maximum seasonal water level—average year was selected (1996)
Need a reasonable standard with measurable criteria
Need to assume storm duration for model
Use hydroperiod for models, not water level
Mesic areas need to be evaluated for water depth as well
Currently no examples of large problems associated with the introduction of stormwater
into preserves
Some wetland preserves do not receive enough water
North Collier Regional Park: mechanical exotic removal was the problem
Some of the preserve was also used as a flowway
Estuarine systems more of a concern because of salinity changes
Tidal wetlands—discharge permitted by SFWMD—post discharge
Wetland preserves to be permitted by SFWMD in proposed amendment
Upland portions of preserves a concern
Need to provide examples where stormwater discharge into preserves is successful and
where detrimental to upland preserves
Hal Herbst from SFWMD could identify post permitting problems with regards to
preserves, as he has a lot of experience evaluating preserves in this area
Most District (SFWMD) preserves contain some uplands
LDC amendment language:
iii) Demonstration that the upland
portion of the preserve is not
inundated for more than 30 days
during a reference wet season. For
the purpose of this subsection, the
reference wet season is May 1996
through October 1996. In this
context, inundation means water
levels at or above the average
ground surface of the preserve.
Can use an average year or the period of record and obtain an average, for modeling
Need a maximum to prevent extreme conditions
Need data
Need measurement year
Create a reasonable standard
CCME Policy 7.1.2
(3) The County shall, consistent with applicable GMP policies, consider and utilize
recommendations and letters of technical assistance from the Florida Fish and
Wildlife Conservation Commission and recommendations from the US Fish and
Wildlife Service in issuing development orders on property containing listed species.
It is recognized that these agency recommendations, on a case by case basis, may
change the requirements contained within these wildlife protection policies and any
such change shall be deemed consistent with the Growth Management Plan.
LDC amendment language:
a No gopher tortoise, red-cockaded
woodpecker, Big Cypress fox
squirrel or nests of bald eagle are
present and if present, technical
assistance from the FFWCC or
USFWS shall be provided indicating
that no harm to these species or
their habitat will occur due to
discharge of stormwater into the
preserve. Technical assistance must
be site specific;
What about listed species which could potentially use the habitat
Vesting for projects
Add scrub jays to species list
Add sand pine to xeric FLUCFCS codes
LDC amendment language:
e) When stormwater discharges are allowed in
preserves, the associated stormwater
facilities such as berms, swales, or outfall
structures, may be located within the
preserve, but the area of such facilities can
not count towards the native vegetation
preservation requirement pursuant to
section 3.05.07. These facilities are not
subject to setback requirements as found in
subsection 3.05.07 H.3. These facilities
must be placed in a drainage easement.
Why required to be in a drainage easement?
Berms do not have to be placed in a drainage easement
Purpose of drainage easement is for maintenance
LDC amendment language:
fl Where stormwater discharges are allowed
in a preserve, the Preserve Management
Plan as required in subsection 3.05.07
H.1.g must address potential maintenance
problems and shall also provide for a
monitoring program. Compatible vegetation
must be planted to replace any vegetation
that may be lost over time in the preserve.
Conservancy's language:
h.) Where stormwater discharges are allowed in a preserve, the Preserve
Management Plan, as required in subsection 3.05.07 H.1.g, must address
potential maintenance problems and shall also provide for a monitoring program.
Compatible vegetation must be planted to replace any vegetation that may be
lost over time in the preserve. As the ability for stormwater systems to function
as designed and initially installed diminishes over time, Preserve Management
Plans for preserves receiving treated stormwater shall create and adhere to a
monitoring and maintenance plan. While specific monitoring schedules and
maintenance needs will vary depending on the design of the system, these plan
will, at a minimum:
i.) Establish the party or parties responsible for inspection of the
stormwater system and a source of funds for monitoring and both
routine and emergency maintenance.
ii.) The owner of the stormwater system shall be responsible for a visual
inspection of all stormwater pipes, inlets, catch basins, manholes,
flumes, pond inflow and outflow and discharge pipes which should be
inspected on a quarterly basis, following any major rain event, in
response to a citizens complaint or as follow-up to any maintenance
procedure (visual inspection must occur within two weeks of repair
completion). (Major rain event needs to be defined). These shall be
maintained by removing built-up debris and vegetation and repairing
deteriorating structures.
iii.) Wet and dry detention stormwater management systems should be
inspected for accumulated sediment on an annual basis. When the
capacity of the system is no longer able to treat and store the amount
of stormwater for which the system was designed and constructed,
sediment will be removed and disposed of properly. Annual monitoring
reports shall be conducted by a registered professional engineer
knowledgeable with stormwater management and drainage facility
design and regulations. The report will be submitted to Collier County
for review and approval.
Need additional monitoring of stormwater system as a whole
Certifications for stormwater systems an issue and staff working on
Develop checklist for homeowners
Staff prefers to wait until details worked out
Monitoring of sediments for contaminants? Golf courses for example
Inspections after storm events
Placeholder to provide assurance that stormwater system will function properly
LDC amendment language:
h.) A property owner may request deviations
from the above regulations, 3.05.07 H.1.h.ii.
Staff shall review the plans and proposed
deviations to ensure that uplands in the
preserve will suffer no adverse impact from
the proposed deviations. The process for
granting deviations shall follow the
procedure as set forth in the section
8.06.10; appeal before the EAC, and shall
be heard at a public hearing of the EAC. No
deviations shall be granted for 322 or 421
FLUCFCS Codes.
Correct citation
section 8.06.10; moved to Code of Laws and Ordinances
Why have deviations?
One day over 30 days for example
Small sites more of a concern
Require an EIS or specific standards for deviations
Recreational Uses in Preserves:
Be able to rebuild structures to original specifications
Vest original uses
Pervious pavement issue
Golf cart paths
LDC amendment language:
ii) Shared use paths for use by golf
carts, trams, bicycles, joggers, etc.
shall be kept to a maximum width of
12 feet, unless safety concerns
necessitate a wider pathway. Golf
cart paths for golf course use shall
be separate from other paths and be
designed for golf course access
only.
Bisecting preserves a concern
No other access possible—what is reasonable
Golf carts for golf course use not a passive use
Limit intrusion in preserves
Use of preserves promotes appreciation and awareness of the preserve, same holds true
for golfers
Tram and golf cart use should be limited
Limit human intrusion - disturbance to habitat and wildlife
Cost a factor and will limit golf cart paths in preserves
Fragmenting preserve habitat a concern
Golf cart paths are usually elevated through preserves
Degree of fragmentation for a road with culverts vs. elevated pathway, is not the same
LDC amendment language:
iv) Pathways shall not interfere with the
following listed or protected species;
gopher tortoise, red-cockaded
woodpecker, Big Cypress fox
squirrel or the nests of bald eagle.
Pathways shall comply with the
guidelines or recommendations of
the FFWCC or USFWS, for listed
species and the nests of bald eagle.
Limit golf cart paths—what is reasonable
Has to be measurable
Dictated by cost
Safety issue—access via pathways by EMS occasionally needed in case of emergencies
Pervious pathways
Need cost comparison—unit cost
More cross section required for pervious pathways
Construction details—distance to travel for construction for pervious pathways an issue
Consider incentives to encourage pervious pathways
No asphalt question
Cost is about 20%more to install pervious pathways instead of impervious
Maintenance costs as well
Let pervious pathways count towards native vegetation requirement
Add language such as: Foot paths should have priority over other type pathways
Pollutant level of pervious vs. impervious asphalt, should encourage pervious asphalt
pathways
Asphalt pollutants biodegrade quickly according to one stakeholder
Provide incentives to replace impervious with pervious pathways