CAC Minutes 02/21/2003 RFebruary 21,,2003
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, February 21, 2003
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Coastal Advisory Committee
in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met
on this date at 9:00 AM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F of the
Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following
members present:
CHAIRMAN:
Gary Galleberg
William Kroeschell
Ron Pennington
James Snediker
David Roellig
Anthony Pires (9:05AM)
John Strapponi
John Arceri
Bedford Biles
ALSO PRESENT: Ron Hovell - Coastal Projects/Public Utilities
Dr. Jon Staiger - City of Naples
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NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN OF A COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEE MEETING IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARDROOM, THIRD FLOOR, W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING
(ADMINISTRATION), AT THE COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX,
3301 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, NAPLES, FLORIDA AT 9:00 A.M. ON FEBRUARY
21, 2003.
AGENDA
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8.
Roll Call / Welcome New Members
Additions to Agenda
Old Business
a. Approval of minutes for January 9, 2003
b. Hideaway Beach Truck Haul Update
c. Marco Island Beach Cleaning and Grass Update
d. 10-Year Plan Discussion
New Business
a. Hideaway Beach Renourishment Engineering Services Supplemental
Grant Application
b. Lowdermilk Park Renovation Supplemental Grant Application
c. Request from Surfsedge / Park Shore Beach
d. Draft Fiscal Year 2004 Grant Applications
e. Draft State Beach Funding Resolution
f. County / Naples Renourishment Update
g. Marco Island Monitoring Report
h. Tigertail Lagoon Presentation
i. Hideaway Beach Access Improvements Update
j. Rock Removal Consent Order Update
k. Annual Beach Tilling
Audience Participation
Committee Member Comments
Schedule next meeting
Adjournment
ADDITIONALLY, THIS NOTICE ADVISED THAT, IF A PERSON DECIDES TO
APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE BY THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE,
WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS MEETING, HE WILL
NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THAT FOR SUCH PURPOSE, HE
MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS
IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE
UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
February 21, 2003
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Roll Call
Chairman Gary Galleberg noted that a quorum was present and introduced the new
members- Mr. John Arceri (filling Mr. Stakich's set) and Bedford Biles (filling Ashley
Lupo's seat).
Additions to the Agenda
Under "Old Business" add - 3e. Public Policy Discussion of Standards & Review.
Old Business:
a. Approval of Minutes for January 9, 2003 - one correction on page 3, bottom -
should read 30,000 yards of sand instead of 40,000 yards.
Mr. Kroeseheil moved to approve the minutes of January 9, 2003 as
amended. Seconded Mr. Roellig. Carried unanimously 9-0.
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Hideaway Beach Truck Haul Update - letter from the County Attorney giving
opinion for using TDC funds for renourishing the segment of Hideaway Beach
stated the Florida Statutes provides tourist development tax revenues may be
used.
Discussion followed with remarks concerning a Collier County policy regarding
use of Tourist Tax Funds concerning public access & utilization. Lely Barefoot
Beach was denied dune restoration because of being on private property.
Mr. Pennington moved to recommend to the County Commission to direct the
Coastal Advisory Committee to propose a County policy regarding public
funding of beach nourishment & that further effort on Hideaway is held in
abeyance pending establishment of such policy. Seconded Tony Pires.
Discussion followed on the need to request direction from the BCC. Mr. Hovell
stated the Committee could proceed to propose a policy.
Mr. Hovell responded to a question that in each case from now on, if sand is to be put
onto any of the Beaches it will have to go back to the BCC. The Clerk of Courts has
said staff has no discretion in authorizing any expenditures or delegation of authority.
(Mr. Pires left at 9:20 AM.)
Mr. Pennington amends his motion to take out "BCC directing the Coastal
Advisory Committee" and to read that "the Coastal Advisory Committee
propose a County policy for the public funding of Beach nourishment and
suggest the CAC establish a Sub-Committee to work out details for the CAC."
Due to the absence of Mr. Pires amending his second, Mr. Pennington withdrew
his motion.
Mr. Pennington moved the Coastal Advisory Committee propose to the BCC a
County policy for the public funding for beach nourishment and a sub-
committee be established to bring information back to the CAC.
Seconded Mr. Roellig. Carried unanimously 8-0.
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Ken Humiston, Humiston & Moore Engineering, stated the placement of sand was
per permit on Hideaway Beach. The requirement says they are to maintain the sand
at the level where it was after the T-Groins were put in. The renourishment has been
accomplished as per the requirements of the permit, and would not be in violation of
the permit if more sand was not put on. Mr. Humiston discussed the question of the
erosion control line and completing the plan.
Mr. Roellig moved to forward approval, to continue the Hideaway Beach project
by placing the additional sand, recommended in the original project, being
approx. 8,000 yards, to the Board of County Commissioners. Seconded Mr.
Kroeschell.
A lengthy discussion followed on whether this is a new project or completing the
original project. Whatever is recommended will need to go to the Board of County
Commissioners on March 25th.
(Mr. Pires returned at 10:05 AM.)
Vote failed- 5 No - 3 Yes - 1 Abstention (Mr. Snediker abstaining)
c. Marco Island Beach Cleaning & Grass Update
- Mr. Hovell reported discussions with Parks & Recreation and the City of
Marco
about continuing the beach raking, and moving towards grooming and hand
picking trash as is done in the rest of the County. A field permit would be
required to do any disking.
A Public Hearing on beach raking will be held on March 3rd.
The Marco Island Beach Advisory Committee's meeting will be held on the beach
to check on the grooming, equipment and grass. A report will be given at the next
CAC meeting.
Mr. Snediker stated the reason for his abstention on the last vote was because he is a
resident of Hideaway Beach and will submit the needed form.
Policy Standards & Reviews
An E-Mail - Subject: Funding Policy Thoughts - was handed to the Committee.
Mr. Hovell summarized the basic ideas of establishing a minimum and maximum
level of TDC Funding on a percentage basis.
This subject will go before the Sub-Committee to bring back with their
recommendations to the CAC in the future.
Break- 10:45 AM
Meeting Reconvened- 10:55 AM
4. NEW BUSINESS:
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4i) Hideaway Beach Access Improvements Update - discussed:
Project consists of placing approx. 18,000 Cubic Yards of sand along the shoreline
and construction of a boardwalk between Tigertail Beach & Hideaway Beach on
Marco Island.
- Several letters & e-mails were submitted in objection to the project going forward.
- Letter from Department of Environmental did not consider it a permittable activity.
- Mr. Hovell reported on invoices from Humiston & Moore Engineering. Funding
is adequate to cover the Engineering & Construction.
- Persons at Hideaway Beach would like to improve public access to Hideaway
Beach. It was noted a 30 foot beach would be less costly than a boardwalk.
- Ken Humiston gave a summary of the two letters from DEP.
- The mangroves, shoreline habitat and not having a mitigation proposal are the main
concerns of the DEP.
Mr. Roellig moved to suspend further action on permitting and do more of a
study on alternatives.
SPEAKERS:
David Somers - General Manager at Hideaway Beach - minutes were handed out
- Letter was read from County Attorney January 9, 2001. This was concerning the
public access on Marco Island. Marco has two points of public access which are
Tigertail Beach and small walkway at the south end of the Beach. It also addressed
the T-Groins and Funding. Aerial photos were shown of where the sand is located
and of other areas which has always been an issue of public access over the years.
The City is supportive of the issue and feels this is a good project in order to have
public access on Marco Island. He addressed the habitat on Sand Dollar Island and
encouraged the Committee to come up with some alternative proposals to satisfy
everyone.
- Parking and the boat ramp was addressed
Mr. Somers feels this is important because their members are not able to see some of
the bird areas and use the picnic areas because they are not accessible. They are not
able to walk all the way to Tigertail Beach.
The Associations position is that they would like to see a natural beach as before
rather than a boardwalk.
Nancy Peyton - Florida Wildlife Federation - she asks the Committee to
recommend to the BCC not to pursue this application which is the Hideaway Beach
access improvement project. They submitted comments opposing the application to
DEP. Concerns were listed species and environmental impacts with Big Marco Pass
critical Wildlife area, the different habitats and sea turtle monitoring being a false
issue. Project is not consistent relating to sovereignty lands. She spoke of specific
data that has been collected since 1974 on the area. FLWLF supports public access
but this particular one is not appropriate.
She suggested the issue be addressed by running a shuttle from Tigertail parking lot
to Hideaway Beach. She read comments from the Center for Biological Diversity.
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They had submitted photos and additional documentation concerning piping clovers
and habitat. FLWLF recommends Committee to discontinue pursuit of the
application.
Several questions of Nancy were discussed with Committee members. Mr. Arceri felt
they need an Environmental Study on the 30 foot recommendation as to what
environmental problems there may be before they abandon the access project between
Tigertail and Hideaway Beach and wishes the Committee to consider this.
Nicole Ryan - Conservancy of Southwest Florida - the Conservancy wrote a letter
to DEP in opposition to permitting the project. Their concerns are sand placement
and boardwalk construction in the area. The FL Fish & Wildlife Commission and
Department of Environmental Protection have also had serious concerns. A letter of
January 22, 2003 from the Fish & Wildlife Commission to the DEP stated that the
project is confusing and not well conceived. They listed a number of concerns;
potential impact to mangroves, shorebirds and their habitats, sea turtles, sea grasses,
disruption of the natural hydrology within the mangrove system, transporting the sand
replacement on the beach and how the project will impact local sediment movement.
Others were mentioned. Letter to the County will be sent from the DEP stating the
above reasons and concerns.
The Conservancy has been a staunch proponent of the Big Marco Pass Critical
Wildlife and opposed projects that would negatively impact the area. They felt this
project would negatively impact the critical area and adjacent lands therefore asked
that funding be suspended for the project.
Regina Reiley - Spinnaker Drive -citizen and beach walker - she walks the beach
everyday. She has walked to Hideaway Beach the past two weeks at low tide. Her
solution is to watch the tides - and go at low tides. Before putting artificial structures
in and bring in sand, suspend the project - put signs up at Tigertail Beach so the
public knows they can access Hideaway Beach. They can walk around the lagoon.
She would like to see the project put on hold and encourage signage at Tigertail.
Linda Colombo - Plantation Ct. - she agrees with the previous speakers. As the
friends of Tigertail - they believe in preserving and protecting the area. The
Boardwalk would have potential to damage the mangroves and shore bird habitat.
As Nancy Peyton suggested, perhaps a trolley would provide access. Addressing the
beach Renourishment on Hideaway she would hope the Committee would look into
preserving putting any more sand in the area for no useful purpose. The Friends of
Tigertail support the DEP's evaluation of building the boardwalk and renourishing
would not be recommended.
Mr. Roellig repeated his motion to suspend the process of the permit application
by the County and move to a phase when they can have discussions on a
possible, favorable proposal to provide access. Seconded Mr. Arceri.
Discussion followed on additional information studies and permitting needed on the
project.
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Motion Carried Unanimously 9-0.
4c) Request from Surfsedge/Park Shore Beach - Mr. Hovell explained to the
Committee Surfsedge Condo has requested the County to remove the sand from their
landscaping, additional vegetation plantings and/or raising their seawall. The sand
has blown over the seawall. Mr. Hovell asked the company that did the dune planting
to give a recommendation of what could be done. Coconut husk matting was
suggested and plant additional sea oats at an estimate of $4,000.00.
SPEAKERS:
William Reid - the sand that was put on the beach was put in too high. Blows over
the seawall, over the grass, across the sidewalk and ends up in their plants, shrubs and
grass. Surfsedge has removed the sand on two different occasions. The manager was
advised to put the sand back on the beach and found a particular permit was needed.
A letter was written to Commissioner Fred Coyle in 2002 expressing their concerns.
Mr.
Withers said the sand had been placed to the elevation to the 1995-96 renourishments.
Photos were shown. The County needs to remove the sand before the damage is
extensive and keep the sand on the beach. He asked the Committee to support
removing the sand.
A lengthy discussion was held on wind currents, planting suggestions, re-grading and
putting the sand back on the beach, etc...
Mr. Pires moved to give staff direction to investigate all options with feasibility
and cost estimates to be presented to the Committee at the next meeting.
Seconded by Mr. Pennington. Carried unanimously 9-0.
Lunch Break- 1:00 PM
Meeting Reconvened- 2:00 PM
(Mr. Pires and Mr. Strapponi did not return from lunch)
4a) Hideaway Beach Renourishment Engineering Services Supplemental Grant
Application - Ron Hovell - Humiston & Moore Engineering did the Design &
Permit for the sand search. Mr. Hovell presented the Committee with a supplemental
Grant Application for an additional $165,500 to complete the pre-construction
engineering services. This will be done over the next year.
Mr. Pennington moved to recommended approval of the additional $165,500 to
complete the engineering services for Hideaway Beach. Seconded by Mr.
Kroeschell.
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After some discussion Mr. Pennington withdrew his motion & Mr. Kroeschell
withdrew his second.
- The proper paper work for the work order and the Executive Summary needs to be
submitted to the Board of County Commissioners at the March 11 th meeting for their
approval.
- Concerns about the policy with Hideaway Beach being a valid public beach and
waiting for another policy and possibly having the project stopped was discussed.
- Decisions need to be made for cost benefits for where the resources are to be
directed.
- $335,000 has been budgeted for engineering services - the complete project will
cost $501,000 - less than $50,000 are the estimated costs thus far.
A consensus needs to be made whether to expend $5M on one Beach - Chairman
Galleberg then asked if it is wise to spend $500,000 on the Hideaway Beach project.
A full engineering study needs to be done to develop costs in order for the
committee to make a final decision as to the results and whether to proceed with the
project or not. Approving the Engineering study and spending the $210,000 does not
commit the Committee in doing the project.
Mr. Kroeschell moved to proceed and authorize the expenditure of $165,500 to
complete the Engineering study for Hideaway Beach with Humiston & Moore
Engineers.
Seconded by Mr. Pennington. Carried unanimously 7-0.
40 County/Naples Renourishment Update - Steve Keehn - Coastal Planning &
Engineering - update given:
Monitoring Report for Wiggins to Gordon Pass being done.
When finished with study will get design with permitting.
Committee will then decide which segments to support.
Finished side-scanning shoreline Wiggins Pass to Gordon Pass.
Hard bottom mapping available in approx, month or two.
Mr. Pennington moved to recommend approval of the request for funding of
$89,678 to proceed. Seconded. Carried unanimously 7-0.
4b) Lowdermilk Park Renovation Supplemental Grant Application - The
Community Development Committee has requested an additional $150,000 to change
the character of the pavilion from renovation to tearing it down and rebuilding it.
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Mr. Pennington moved to approve the recommendation of the additional request
of $150,000 for Lowdermilk Park pavilion. Seconded by Mr. Roellig. Carried
unanimously 7-0.
4g) Marco Island Monitoring Report - Rajesh Srinivas - Taylor Engineering
The draft monitoring report on the Marco Island Beaches, Breakwaters and
Cxambas Pass was sent to the Committee. Mr. Srinivas's presentation:
Gave a brief history of improvements.
Gave results of the different shoreline changes.
Concems of Beach erosion (South end) were discussed.
Covered conclusions & future actions.
(Mr. Pires returned at 2:45 PM.)
4h) Tigertail Lagoon Presentation -- Rajesh Srinivas - Taylor Engineering - An aerial map was displayed.
- Evolution key dates were given.
- Shorelines were shown.
- Possible future evolutions discussed.
- Erosion due to storm impacts discussed.
- Increasing sand in Hideaway Beach will add to the supply to Sand Dollar
Questions & discussions were held by Committee members of Rajesh to the future of
Tigertail Beach.
4d) Draft Fiscal Year 2004 Grant Applications - Mr. Hovell asks the Committee
to review the applications & bring questions to the next meeting.
4e)
Draft State Beach Funding Resolution -
Mr. Roellig moved to approve the Resolution for $30M State Beach Funding.
Seconded Mr. Pennington. Carried unanimously 8-0.
4j) Rock Removal Consent Order Update - Mr. Hovell needs approval from the
Committee for a proposal of a Video inspection for $28,000 for rock removal off
Vanderbilt and Naples Beaches as part of the rock removal plan.
Mr. Pennington moved to recommend approval for the "work order" for
$27,925 for the Video inspection. Seconded Mr. Kroeschell. Carried
unanimously 8-0.
4k) Annual Beach Tilling - Mr. Hovell mentioned the different beaches for tilling
before turtle season due to the dredging required by various permits.
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Mr. Pennington moved to recommend approval of proposed services for the
annual beach tilling as required by various permits for a Purchase Order of
$40,000 or less. Seconded by Mr. Kroeschell. Carried unanimously 8-0.
4d) Draft Fiscal Year 2004 Grant Applications - Mr. Hovell stated most grant
applications now have an opinion from the County Attorney. Only outstanding issues
are the City of Marco Island for Collier Creek Dredging, and Great Lakes expanded
Beach Cleaning application. No legal opinion on the eligibility has been received as
of yet.
A lengthy discussion followed on obtaining legal opinions, more sufficient
information and the various applications for the different beaches.
(Mr. Pires left at 3:45 PM)
3. Old Business:
3d) Draft 10 Year Plan - Different budgetary items and the process was discussed
along with how Collier County budgets in their fiscal year. Discussion of upcoming
projects and potential policy decisions will continue at future meetings.
Audience Participation - None
Committee Member Comments - Abstaining was discussed. The County Attorneys
office can be contacted if a committee member has a question whether they should
abstain or not.
Schedule Next Meeting - Normal meeting date is 2® Thursday of the month. Next
regularly scheduled meeting is March 13, 2003 at 1:30 PM.
Adjournment
There being no further business for the good of the County the meeting was adjourned by
order of the Chair at 4:10 PM.
COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Chairman Gary Galleberg
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