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CAC Minutes 11/14/2002 RNovember 14, 2002 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE Naples, Florida, November 14, 2002 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Coastal Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 1:30AM in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: ALSO PRESENT: CHAIRMAN: Gary Galleberg William Kroeschell Ron Pennington James Snediker Ashley Lupo Robert Stakish David Roellig Anthony Pires (Absent) John Strapponi (Absent) Dr. Jon Staiger- City of Naples Ron Hovell - Coastal Projects/Public Utilities Engineering Department Tom Campbell - Coastal Planning & Engineering Tom Pierro - Coastal Planning &Engineering Mora Krause - Collier County Natural Resources NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN OF A COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOARDROOM, THIRD FLOOR, W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING (ADMINISTRATION), AT THE COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX, 3301 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, NAPLES, FLORIDA AT 1:30 P.M. ON NOVEMBER 14, 2002. AGENDA Roll Call Additions to Agenda Old Business a. Approval of minutes for September 12, 2002 and October 10, 2002 b. Marco Island Grading c. Hideaway Beach Sand Placement New Business a. Vanderbilt Beach Rock Removal and Sand Placement b. Collier County Beach Restoration Project 6-Year Monitoring c. Storm-water Outfalls d. Engineering Services for Major Beach Re-nourishment e. 10-Year Plan Discussion f. Dredging Policy Discussion g. Wiggins Pass Maintenance Dredging Grant Application h. Beach Raking and Equipment Audience Participation Schedule next meeting Adjournment ADDITIONALLY, THIS NOTICE ADVISED THAT, IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE BY THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS MEETING, HE WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THAT FOR SUCH PURPOSE, HE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. November 14, 2002 1.. Roll Call Roll Call was taken by Chairman Gary Galleberg. A quorum was established. 2. Additions to the Agenda Mr. Galleberg asked Mr. Hovel to give the Committee a recap of the Beach Renourishment and Groin Fields which he was part of with the Naples City Council. Mr. Pennington wondered if a discussion of the bridge to Sand Dollar Island at Marco would be an issue for the Agenda. Mr. Hovell answered it was not, and was approved by this committee in March/April and included in the Counties Budget and a Parks and Recreation project. The Re-nourishment and Groin Field discussion will be discussed under the "10 year Plan". Mr. Snediker would like to discuss the Application Form - which will be "Item 41". Old Business a. Approval of Minutes for September 12, 2002 & October 10, 2002. Mr. Kroeschell mentioned at the last meeting he asked Mr. Humiston about the distance between the parking lot and Hideaway Beach access - Mr. Hovell reported on it at the last meeting and feels it should be in the minutes. Mr. Hovell stated the distance according to the GIS - from Little Clam Pass to the parking lot is 3,300 feet. Mr. Pennington made some corrections to the Sept. 12th minutes as follows: Page 6 - 8th line - it should read "Birds eye view "where" accumulation. Page 7 - 2nd line - bought the rock "from" the word "from" should be deleted. Next Paragraph - 2nd lines after RECESS - should read "City has "selected" not elected. Page 18 - 2nd line - should read "grading" not "grating". Mr. Hovell mentioned Mr. Pennington suggested Mr. Staiger should read "Dr." Staiger. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the September 12, 2002 minutes as corrected. Seconded Mr. Roellig. Mr. Pires name was misspelled and stand as corrected. Motion carried unanimously 7-0. bJ Marco Island Grading - Mr. Hovell reported the area of the south end of the Tigertail Lagoon down to the wider area of beach will be re-graded. He showed the area on the overhead with details. The contractor will be grading on Tuesday and will take about two weeks. 2 November 14, 2002 e Mr. Pennington brought back the October 10th minutes for approval with corrections. Page 2 - under approval of workshop minutes - 1 st line - Mr. Galleberg asked Mr. Hovell - should read .... If" something had been deleted". Page 9 - center of page - two places in which silk was used should read "silt" (line 16 & 18) Page 13 - 3rd line - the word "as" should be deleted. Mr. Pennington moved to approve the October l0th minutes as corrected. Seconded Ms. Lupo. Motion carried Unanimously 7-0. Co Hideaway Beach Sand Placement - Mr. Hovell reports 19,000 cubic yards of sand is needed to get the beach back into the shape it was a year ago. When the final quantity is determined, they will go to the State for authorization to proceed. He is hoping to have it all coordinated and started the first or second week of December. He then referred to the overhead showing the areas of sand placement. It will take approximately 3-4 weeks. New Business a. Vanderbilt Beach Rock Removal & Sand Placement - it was a bit under 7,000 tons or 5,000 yards on Pelican Bay's Beach. The Pelican Bay Service Division, with their funding, paid for the work and used the existing contracts to have the work done. The property where sand was placed belongs to the County as a preserve area. The area was shown on the overhead. Mr. Roellig discussed restoring the dunes and the concerns of Gabriel or another storm that could open up a pass. He felt everything ran very smoothly and was very successful. Mr. Hovell stated they moved to the Vanderbilt Inn area and worked south. At the southern part of the beach they are completing the rock removal operations. One machine was brought in instead of two at which time they had to work with the State to allow different equipment. He described the equipment and stated the rock removal and sand replacement project should be finished by Thanksgiving. Collier County Beach Restoration Project 6 Year Monitoring - Tom Campbell - Coastal Planning & Engineering, Inc. - He covered some beach nourishment basics. He gave a presentation of a pre-nourished beach on the overhead. He mentioned three components - design breach, advance fill and the adjustment fill. The adjustment fill shifts to the offshore and makes the beach narrower. This beach has averaged over the last 6 years about 5 feet per year retreat due to the sand that is moving 3 November 14, 2002 offshore. He talked about monitoring results, design beach and the advance fill. Storm -Water Outfalls Engineering Services for Major Beach Re-nourishment Tom Pierro gave an overhead slide presentation: 1.27M Georgia sand was placed on the beaches of Vanderbilt Park Shore in 1995/96. - 50,000 yards of losses per year - Showed project map - Vanderbilt Beach 1.5 Miles long, Park Shore 3/4 mile and North Naples 3 ½ miles. - Shoreline changes were given- losses were noted - Graphs were shown on how the project looked then and now - Rock Groin Fields shown - Survey was made July 2002 Mr. Roellig stated he has watched Clam Pass since 1996 and noticed the predominate flow has gone from South to North. - 52 ft beach remaining - T-Groins modified, helping and maintaining fill - Volume changes - (Vanderbilt loss 8,000 yards, Park Shore gain 2,600 yards and North Naples gain 9,400 yards - Truck haul fill is influencing the grades - Gain over 6 years of 53 yards, three profiles of jetty extension Mr. Pennington discussed the jetty extension, the replenishment action and the impoundment area. - Result of bypassing the sand and truck hauling was discussed - Naples project area still about 98% of its constructed volume - Shore land receded can be related to the sand grain size of fill and not showing up in shore line - Sand grain sizes were discussed - Current performance of beach can be indicated at design - Recommend advance fill over trucking at time of re-nourishment Dr. Staiger stated the State allowed them to agree to do a section of the Naples Beach in May because no turtle nesting activity has been on the beach for 3-4 years. Bad weather and constraints on the inability to produce sand rapidly, they dredged more shallow because of the rock problems. The 1995/96 beach fill has performed quite well. Tom Pirro continued with the beach width design description on his slide presentation. Recommendations are to adopt a design standard and consider November 14, 2002 re-nourishment now. With proper advance fill and project design for certain life, they can eliminate the need for truck haul fill. Tom continued with slides of drainage, rock growing, storm water outfalls, underground pipe, and ex-filtration system. He also talked about ejection wells, drainage wells or a small infiltration system improving esthetics being considered. It is all a preference. Staffwill need direction with the issues being: some city owned, publicly owned, privately owned and sizes and how important is it to do before, or in conjunction with the next major re-nourishment program? Mr. Pennington commented that photos were taken with information provided to the Committee and the City Council and suggests taking responsibility for getting action prior to any additional sand being placed on the beach. He feels there is a City responsibility to take necessary action. He has had conversation with Dr. Staiger concerning this issue. Dr. Staiger stated the large PVC pipes are part of the cities street storm water drainage system. Only one is not - at the Mansion House. Discussions have been held with the State because they want them to eliminate all the cross- shore drains. There is no other place to put the water because of the gravity drains progressing inland; it is an uphill run. Lift stations are very costly which is an alternative. They have extensions to all the drains in the project design which is on the beach now. New junction boxes have been put in with access manholes and PVC pipes. The cradles extended further off shore, some time ago, some of the terminal sections of the pipe were removed because they were sticking way out. They would like to get rid of it. Engineering Dept. oversees it with Public Works maintaining it. Need to modify or eliminate them. Mr. Pennington asked if appropriate to write a letter to the City of Naples and recommend action be taken to insure something be worked out with the private outfalls before putting more sand on the beach. Mr. Galleberg stated they could address the City by letter. Dr. Staiger talked about the adverse decision of burying the ex-filtration pipe in the back side of the beach creating a problem with turtle nesting. If they are kept back close to the sea wall and the vegetation lines then build the dune in front, it may solve the problem. He asked what they will do about some of the outfalls. The private ones could be offered some reasonable designs and done as part of the project; it may be a solution. After discussion Mr. Pennington moved to send a letter to the City of Naples requesting an action is taken prior to any additional sand being placed on the beach. Seconded Mr. Galleberg. November 14, 2002 Mr. Roellig had concems and was reluctant to support something that could freeze beach re-nourishment for ten years. One problem may be that there isn't an acceptable gravity solution. Problem with storm water discharge is the quality isn't much different than sanitary discharge and sooner or later may have to face the issue. He stated this may not be solvable. Something has to be done to address the issue with condominiums dumping it on the beach. Mr. Galleberg felt the motion is a communication from the committee to tell the City of Naples this is an important issue and to address it. It needs to be recognized by the City. Mr. Galleberg felt the issue is doing something with the outflow so the sand isn't washed away, not to design a drainage system. Ms. Lupo asked how much an exfiltration system would cost and Dr. Staiger estimated about $10,000 total. Motion carried unanimously %0. Break 2:55 Reconvened 3:10 Mr. Campbell continued on with Engineering Services for Major Beach Re- nourishment. He covered Design and Permitting and Surveys in his presentation. County wide sand search Phase 1 investigation is finished, (analysis of the historic data), Phase 2 has been approved and leaves two other phases. The Engineering Design and permitting includes program management and public relations. He covered marine sources of investigation which deals with the rock, how much is there that could still be affected, and how it was affected last time. Permitting is time consuming and should be made part of the process during the Design. Combining the Design services with the seven year monitoring can be done so they can save a set of surveys, then bid and award. The Marine Resources investigation is a bigger element. The environmental issues are larger then the engineering design issues. This is one of the main reasons people come to the Naples area. The Design surveys, the Final Design, and the bid and award are the final items to be done. The importance of Permitting was discussed. Barefoot beach was mentioned as an example such as looking at the monitoring reports thinking there isn't any sand needed, but unless sand is added they would not be eligible for FEMA reimbursement. Mr. Pennington stated $600,000 is already authorized, $635,000 is needed. Mr. Campbell stated 35-40% is contracted out for the sand investigations. 6 November 14, 2002 A question was asked if the easements are still valid - Ron stated there were 10 year easements between the property owner and the County and those will be up in December 2005. The cost issue was addressed and Mr. Campbell stated he is giving budget estimates so the committee has a feel for future costs. He could break it down into hours if possible with the final numbers in which everyone is comfortable with. Cost figures would be set up for a proposal and negotiated at a later date. No figures will be approved today just scope of work. Mitigation was discussed with the constraints and width of the beach. Mr. Roellig didn't feel they could come in much below this cost and felt it was in line. Mr. Roellig moved to proceed and have staff work with Mr. Campbell, Coastal Planning & Engineering, Inc... Seconded Mr. Pennington. Ron Hovell reviewed with the committee the purchasing process of which he has to go through to get to the Board of County Commissioners and stated the committee needs to recommend the approval of a budget estimate. A grant application will be filled out and if the committee is willing to recommend approval of the $635,000 he will take it to the TDC for their December l0th meeting and formally give it to the committee at their next meeting. Mr. Roellig wishes to include in his motion "the committee is recommending an additional budget of $635,000 for the overall design for the next major re-nourishment." Mr. Pennington seconded. Carried unanimously 7-0. Ron Hovell talked about time and materials, the scope of work, and alternatives so the engineering company can do a proposal for the specifics of the design. They can then have discussions with the City concerning alternatives and/or whatever is cost effective and the different processes. He would not want to hold back on the initial work pending response from the City. Mr. Galleberg thought it was a good idea for the properties in the City to try to correct their outflows prior to the re-nourishment. In the letter to the City they can point out coordinating the re-nourishment and design and then look for funding. He felt it wasn't a good idea to get too detailed. Mr. Hovell needed a clarification of what the intent of the motion was and what the letter to the City will state. Is the letter to the City going to state the committee is "not" going to move forward until they hear from the City or is the committee saying they "are" going to the city but also wants to initiate something. The State may require the committee address the storm water 7 November 14, 2002 outfalls in order to do beach re-nourishment. He's suggesting to be proactive rather than reactive. Mr. Hovell will write the letter to the City and not initiate a design. After discussion of Mr. Hovells concems and clarification it was stated the motion was to write a letter to the City advising them of the issues and make them aware and a part of the process. Mr. Hovell then stated that the committee "does" want him to initiate the $12,000 work order. The committee agreed. e. 10-Year Plan Discussion - Mr. Hovell handed out a Budget draft of expected expenditures and discussed figures. The Tourist Tax revenue projections are a bit over $6M for FY03. He discussed the high water demands, projections being conservative, the revenues in 2013 and VB parking garage. There is a line item in 2004 for the Wood Groins and proposal (if done) - to do with the major re-nourishment program and put in with the grant application. Mr. Galleberg stated the area South toward Gordon Pass is eroded at this time and historically was wood groins in the area. The ultimate goal over time is reducing the dredge and fills. He asked Ron about the 2004, as mentioned, is $9M provided and hope the $5M trucking carried in 2003 would be diverted to the re-nourishment. Ron answered $2-$3M has been spent this year but anything not spent will return to the reserves which will make it more affordable for future projects. They were asked by the budget office to forward the budget mounts they projected for the cost of rock removal and how much sand will be done. They need to address the number they want to roll into the 10-year plan. Dredging Policy Discussion - Ron updated the committee on the dredging of Wiggins Pass back in March. Due to the hurricanes in the gulf in September sand was pushed north and filled in part of the Pass. They thought of using Clam Shell operations with a cost of $3-400,000. Going through the process, Ron said he found that the Lake Michigan Contractors were in the area (did the dredging in March) in Tampa and were going to be in our area. They were thinking they could use them, but after careful thought decided to find more companies with availability. They found 4 hydraulic dredging companies that met the time frame. Their quotes were due on November 14 and will take the quotes to the Board of County Commissioners in hopes of approval. He asked if there should be a different policy than to continue using the Tourist Tax funds to dredge Wiggins Pass. Mr. Pennington stated the Tourist Tax initial concept included the Passes from a navigational perspective. He suggested no change. November 14, 2002 Ron said they have not addressed any of the dredging concerns that are not eligible for TDC Funds. Discussion followed on the Tourist Tax and what is covered. A lengthy discussion addressed the lagoons, passes for dredging and who will be responsible for payment and the Taxing Districts. An example of Vanderbilt Lagoon was given. Mr. Pennington stated the Moorings set up a Taxing District. Mr. Galleberg mentioned if it is part of the canal it is not part of the waterway system. The canal is not public policy. The different taxing districts were given and discussed. Mr. Roellig mentioned Vanderbilt Lagoon is pursuing a Federal Study on water quality and obvious that the main problem is storm water discharge. It's not a Coastal issue, but maybe a call to the Advisory Committee for an update would be helpful. Taxing Districts were discussed. g. Wiggins Pass Maintenance Dredging Grant Application - Ron did not have to explain the Grant Application - Mr. Pennington moved to approve the Grant Application. Seconded Mr. Kroeschell. Carried Unanimously 7-0. go Beach Raking & Equipment- Ron informed the Committee they are using two rakes and the County owns 4 beach rakes. The oldest one has been at the County Barn as a back-up but now find they only need two. He is looking for input on declaring one if not two of the beach rakes surplus to the Counties needs so they can take it to the Board for their approval. One would operate on Marco Island all the time and when it breaks down, they will have the back-up. Mr. Pennington moved to keep two beach rakes and get rid of the other two. Seconded Mr. Koeschell. Carried unanimously 7-0. Ron reported he attended a meeting in September and listened to a presentation by Dr. Dean from University of Florida entitled "Where Does All the Sand Go?" It was a complete historical analysis. Also at the last conference he had attended, he purchased a book "Saving Americas Beaches", by Dr. Scott Douglas. He recommends beach re- nourishment for wide spread coastal maintenance. His administrator accompanied him and thought it would be helpful to establishing a local chapter of Florida Shore and Beach Preservation November 14, 2002 Association. Having a public organization would better educate the public. he Application Form - revision of the form for Grant Applications was discussed. Ron will look into different forms and draft something for the Committee at the next meeting. 5. Audience Participation - None 6. Next Meeting - December 12th 1:30PM 7. Adjournment - being no further business to come before the Committee the meeting adjourned at 4:45 PM. 10