Clam Bay Water Quality, Mixing & Runoff Subcommittee Minutes 03/09/2009
March 9, 2009
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
CLAM BAY WATER QUALITY, MIXING AND RUNOFF
SUBCOMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, March 9, 2009
LET IT BE REMEMBERD that the Collier County Clam Bay Water Quality,
Mixing and Runoff Subcommittee, in and for the County of Collier, having
conducted business herein, met on this date at I :00 PM in REGULAR SESSION
in the Conference Room of Coastal Zone Management, 3300 Santa Barbara
Boulevard, Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN:
Kathy Worley
Ronald Glah
David Roellig
ALSO PRESENT:
Gary McAlpin, Director, Coastal Zone Management
Pam Keyes, Environmental Specialist
Sandy Martello, Staff Liaison
Michael J. Bauer, Ph.D., Natural Resources Manager, City of Naples
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MEETING AGENDA
CLAM BAY WATER QUALITY, MIXING AND RUNOFF SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING
MONDAY, MARCH 9, 2009-1:00 P.M.
COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT (3300 Santa Barbara Blvd., Naples)
I. Call to Order
II. Pledge of Allegiance
III. Roll Call
IV. Chairman Appointment and Chairman's Comments
V. Staff Reports
VI. New Business
1. Water Quality and Sampling Discussion and Approach
2. Tidal Flushing and Mixing Discussion and Approach
3. Nutrient Loading and Runoff Control Discussion and Approach
VII. Old Business
VIII. Announcements
IX. Committee Member Discussion
X. Next Meeting Date/Location
TBD
XI. Adjournment
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March 9, 2009
I. Call to Order
Gary McAlpin, Director of Coastal Zone Management, called the meeting to order
at 1:10 PM.
II. The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
III. Roll Call
A quorum was established.
IV. Appointment of Subcommittee Chairman and Chairman Comments
David Roellig nominated Kathy Worley to serve as Chairman. Second by Ronald
Glah. Carried unanimously, 3-0.
Chairman Worley stated the Subcommittee's overall objective is to maintain and
improve the health of the Clam Bay Estuary. The Subcommittee will discuss specific
issues that will be presented to the entire Committee.
V. Staff Reports
(None)
VI. New Business
1. Water Quality and Sampling Discussion and Approach
Gary McAlpin outlined the Subcommittee's tasks:
. To review prior water quality technical reports, quality assurance/control
procedures, laboratory certificates, reporting requirements ofthe State of
Florida,
. To investigate water quality trends and impacts on estuarine wildlife and
vegetation,
. To make recommendations on required water sampling and testing to
assure the long term viability of the Estuary, and
. To make recommendations on sampling protocol to be consistent with
other water quality programs.
David A. Tomasko, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, PBS&J, outlined the findings ofthe
Water Quality Sampling Program component for the Clam Bay Sea Grass Study:
. If State resources are used for a water quality monitoring program, data is
required to be input into "Storette" (an EP A recognized system for storage
and retrieval of data).
. Clam Bay data was not entered in Storette and the required "305-B Report"
stated the data was "insufficient" to determine whether or not Clam Bay
met the State's Water Quality Standards.
. Some of the data sets collected included inorganic nutrients but did not
include all the nutrients present in Clam Bay. Nitrate levels collected from
Pelican Sound did not "make sense."
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. The Gordon River Extension and Lake Trafford have been declared
"impaired" by the DEP.
. If the data collected is not interpreted by the local government, it will be
interpreted by Tallahassee and may not accurately reflect local conditions.
. Quality assurance and quality control ("QA/QC") are critical components of
data analysis.
. Data must include nutrients, phosphorus (all forms), nitrogen (all forms),
and chlorophyll, and must be collected on a seasonal basis.
. Appropriate analysis of collected data is crucial to prevent inaccurate
classification by the DEP.
. If only water quality is analyzed, Clam Bay could be incorrectly declared
"impaired. "
Mr. McAlpin stated PBS&J will:
. Standardize the locations ofthe selected sampling sites
. Record locations with the City of Naples
. Evaluate the existing data developed by the Conservancy from a QA/QC
standpoint
. Input "suspect" data into a separate database
. Analyze the number of tests performed and evaluate the levels of nutrients
and minerals in the samples
. Develop a standardized procedure for the tests to be run
. Review previous water quality data, lab procedures, chain of custody,
protocol for the State's reporting requirements
. Recommend optimum the water quality standards and analyze the actual
levels found
He further stated PBS&J will report its findings to the Subcommittee.
Dr. Tomasko, PBS&J, stated:
. Sea Grass levels will be very important as an argument against an incorrect
declaration of impairment. Good field data is essential.
. Should open a cooperative dialogue with the DEP - ask representatives
how much data should be collected and to supply site specific criteria
. Goal: collect the data the DEP wants to see
Dr. Michael Bauer, Ph.D., Manager, City of Naples Natural Resources, stated:
. The City of Naples has been sampling the water quality of Naples Bay for
the past three years and has begun water sampling in Moorings Bay
. Naples Bay was removed from the "impaired list" regarding nutrients as a
result of entering the water sampling results into Storette
. The integration of the water quality data with the Sea Grass data is
important, as well as identifying the species being examined
. Collection of data must be done during all weather conditions, i.e., drought
and rainy seasons
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Gary McAlpin stated Staffs recommendation is to:
. Go forward with the Water Sampling Program in Clam Bay utilizing the
existing data and analyzing the data to determine if it is technically sound,
. Obtain DEP's input for the Water Sampling Program,
. Identify sampling sites within Clam Bay
. Coordinate with the City of Naples to ensure Clam Bay's system is
compatible
Chairman Worley asked Timothy Hall of Turrell, Hall & Associates, Inc. to
comment on Pelican Bay's Program.
Mr. Hall, Senior Biologist, stated the sampling did not meet the criteria for entry
into Storette because the dissolved oxygen levels were below the State's standards.
Turrell, Hall & Associates recommended Pelican Bay establish a standard
operating procedures manual for data collection.
Mr. McAlpin noted the Pelican Bay data was collected under a different set of
parameters to satisfy permit requirements.
Dr. Tomasko stated data that is not Storette-eligible can be used for planning
purposes, but not for verification.
Public Comments:
Marcia Cravens referenced comments from the University of Florida' s Master
Naturalist Program concerning tidal mud flats. She stated heavy metals and
pesticides residue should be monitored.
Mr. McAlpin stated PBS&J will consider such monitoring when developing its
program.
Linda Roth stated assigning only one company to such a complex issue did not
seem responsible since different companies will present different data from their
studies which can be used to make an intelligent decision concerning
recommendations made to the Subcommittee.
Mr. McAlpin stated PBS&J will be the lead Consultant for the Water Quality
Study and Turrell, Hall & Associates will be the sub-consultant. The results
presented will reflect their joint efforts.
Chairman Worley asked if the Subcommittee was being fiscally responsible
because Rhonda Watkins developed the County's QA/QC procedures for water
quality testing and collection.
Mr. McAlpin stated the County's lab, protocol, and chain of custody would be
utilized. The program to be developed by PBS&J would incorporate the County's
standards.
Dave Finley asked if sediment testing in outer Clam Bay would be made part of
Staff s recommendations.
Mr. McAlpin stated sediment testing would be part of the analysis to be
performed by PBS&J.
Chairman Worley asked to locate a testing site in the Seagate Canals.
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Gary McAlpin stated the monitoring sites will be reviewed with the City of
Naples and located to compliment the City's sites to avoid duplication of efforts.
Chairman Worley asked ifPBS&J will review the results of a previous water
quality study that examined the lower part of the Bay from the perspective of what
was important to monitor and where to locate monitoring sites. She requested
establishing a DO ("Dissolved Oxygen") Profile.
Mr. McAlpin stated PBS&J will include recommendations concerning a DO
Profile in their proposal.
Marcia Cravens stated Pelican Bay community does significant water quality
testing and has a permit from the South Florida Water Management District.
Mr. McAlpin stated Pelican Bay will continue to perform its site-specific permit
requirements. It is a separate activity. Some of the data may be integrated but it is
independent ofPBS&J's efforts.
Ronald Glah moved to accept Staff's recommendation to hire PBS&J to develop
a water quality monitoring and testing program, to analyze existing historical
data, and to work with the DEP. Second by Chairman Worley. Carried
unanimously, 3-0.
2. Tidal Flushing and Mixing Discussion and Approach
Gary McAlpin outlined the Subcommittee's tasks:
. To review available technical data and make recommendations on studies
that can be undertaken to improve the overall health of the Estuary by the
identification and optimization of tidal flushing and mixing.
. To identify estuarine wildlife most suited for this habitat and to make
restoration recommendations, if appropriate
. Goal: Overall optimization to enhance estuarine wildlife
Dr. Tomasko stated:
. The culvert system underneath Seagate has not been not well documented
(one way value versus a two-way system) regarding expectations
. Water quality to the south and north of Seagate can be similar for nutrients
but different for chlorophyll and dissolved oxygen due to residence times
. Single systems can become impaired during droughts
. Ifwater quality fails because a system is not flushed but the nutrient levels
remain good, then a different approach must be taken versus the approach
taken when water quality fails due to poor nutrient levels
. Flushing and aeration systems can be utilized for dead-end canals with
odor problems due to high algae levels
. An important question is "How does residence vary from place to place?"
. The best approach is to study water circulation and integrate the results
with a water quality study
. Water quality data will be collected simultaneously in Naples Bay and
Clam Bay to assess (1) how much water moves from south to north at tidal
exchange and (2) the quality ofthe water circulating
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Gary McAlpin stated the Estuary has been managed on a three-year flushing
cycle. The question is whether or not the time frame allows optimum flow for the
health of the Estuary and its marine life. The Mixing Study will examine the
expectations for tidal flushing to determine if the criteria is being met for sea
grasses, marine life and mangrove habitat. The water flow sources are Clam Pass,
Seagate Drive, and run off from Pelican Bay.
Jeff Tabor, PBS&J, recapped the topics covered during the morning meeting of
the Clam Bay Maintenance Dredging and Sand Bypassing Subcommittee and
added the Study will examine:
. Physical aspects of the Bay
. Volume of water being flushed
. Relationship between Moorings Bay and Clam Bay
. The tide gates will have data loggers and provide continual monitoring
. A working model will be developed to verify results
Dr. Michael Bauer stated:
. Moorings Bay area is built up and contributes poor quality water into
the Clam Bay system
. 74 culverts "dump" untreated storm water into Moorings Bay
. Preliminary data indicates the water quality in Mooring Bay is fairly
good because Mooring Bay flushes twice a day in and out of Doctor's
Pass
. Hard data is needed to determine how the water interacts and determine
the water quality
Chairman Worley stated the Pelican Bay Foundation and the County spent
$70,000 to develop a flushing model.
Mr. McAlpin stated the model developed by Humiston & Moore was limited in
scope due to available technical resources and confirmed only the tidal range
present then in relationship to mangrove maintenance. The model did not address
the Estuary as a whole and its issues. He confirmed if the data can be used, it will
be integrated into the Mixing Study.
3. Nutrient Loading and Runoff Control Discussion and Approach
Gary McAlpin outlined the Subcommittee's tasks:
. To review previous reports on the sources and impact of runoff on the
Estuary's water quality, mangrove, estuarine wildlife and habitat
. To review nutrient loadings
. To identify major sources of runoff and recommend actions to reduce
runoff having a negative impact on the Estuary
. To review what part runoffplays on degrading the Estuary's water quality
Dr. Tomasko stated:
. Pelican Bay's storm water conveyance system is impressive - the water
is treated as it travels from pond to pond
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. The role of flushing is important for water quality
. It is important to determine the amount of time that nutrients remain in
a system
. The best approach is to consider the systems as a whole, not separately
Chairman Worley stated ifSeagate is determined to be "the problem" because it
is a shallow based system, alternatives besides flushing or dredging must be
examined to prevent changes to the ecology of the system.
Gary McAlpin stated Staffs recommendation is to request a specific proposal
from PSB&J to analyze the existing data, to collect technical data, to integrate with
the City of Naples, and develop specifics regarding the necessary steps to develop
a Mixing and Flow Study.
David Roellig asked how the Study will be funded.
Mr. McAlpin stated after the proposal has been reviewed and approved, a funding
request will be presented to the County Manager who will bring the issue before
the Board of County Commissioners. He further stated proposals will be presented
to the Subcommittee at its next meeting.
Dr. Bauer stated the City of Naples has funds to contribute to the Study.
Public Comments:
Marcia Cravens stated contaminants move out to the Gulf of Mexico because the
storm water remains untreated. A 1981 Study did not recommend opening up
Clam Bay to Moorings Bay and Venetian Bay. It was recommended to improve
the flushing ofthe Bay by reducing its depth. Comprehensive studies were done.
She asked why spend more money on more studies when answers are available?
Mr. McAlpin stated there are no plans to dredge Clam Bay or to open up Clam
Pass or Seagate Drive now. The purpose of the Study is to examine the
existing system and determine how to optimize Clam Bay through an integrated
approach in cooperation with the City of Naples.
Chairman Worley stated a pro-active approach is to determine methods to
measure and reduce the pollutant load entering the system. To determine how to
solve water quality problems, the source must be identified.
Mr. McAlpin stated Staffs recommendation is to move forward with the Tidal
Flushing Study which incorporates Nutrient Loading/Runoff Control and request
PBS&J develop a proposal, in conjunction with Turrell, Hall (k Associates, with
specifics discussed, for presentation at the next Subcommitteb meeting.
David Roellig moved to accept Staffs recommendation (As noted by Mr.
McAlpin.). Second by Ronald Glah. Carried unanimously, 3-0.
VII. Old Business
(None)
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(IV.) Approval of Agenda
Chairman Worley moved to approve the Agenda. Second by David Roellig. Carried
unanimously, 3-0.
(Item was heard out of order)
VIII. Announcements
(None)
IX. Committee Member Discussion
(See above)
X. Next Meeting Date/Location: March 26,2009 at 9:00 AM at 3300 Santa Barbara
Boulevard, Naples, Florida
There being no further business for the good ofthe County, the meeting was adjourned
by order of the Chair at 2:55 PM.
Clam Bay Water Quality, Mixing and Runoff
Subcommittee
Kathy Worley, Chairman
The Minutes were approved by the Board/Committee Chair on
as presented or as amended
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