Clam Bay Advisory Minutes 04/16/2009
April16,2009
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE CLAM BAY
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, April16, 2009
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Clam Bay Advisory
Committee, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business
herein, met on this date at 2:30 P.M., at North Collier Regional Park, 15000
Livingston Road, Exhibit Hall, Room B, Naples, Florida with the following
members present:
Chairman: James A. Carroll
Vice-Chairman: John Arceri
Ronald A. G1ah
Noah Standridge (Excused)
Robert Rogers
Kathy B. Worley
David Roellig (Excused)
Tah1mann Krumm, Jr.
David Farmer
ALSO PRESENT: Gary McAlpin, Director, Coastal Zone Management
Pamela Keyes, Environmental Specialist
Gail Hambright, Tourist Tax Collector
Colleen Greene, Assistant County Attorney
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MEETING AGENDA
CLAM BAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
THURSDAY, APRIL 16,2009 - 2:30 P.M.
North Collier Regional Park, 15000 Livingston Road, Exhibit Hall, Room B, Naples.
I. Call to Order
II. Pledge of Allegiance
III. Roll Call
IV. Changes and Approval of Agenda
V. Approval of Minutes
1. March 19,2990 - Clam Bay Advisory Committee minutes
VI. Chairman's Comments
1. Water Quality extent of coverage
2. Dredging memo
3. CAC approval of Permit Application for Dredging and Installation of Navigational
Markers
4. Community Support for CBAC
VII. Staff Reports
VIII. New Business
1. Water Quality studies and approval of Proposal by PBS&J
2. Peer Review
3. Resolutions from the CCBCC and The City of Naples
4. Communication and Dredging Memo
5. Discussion of Mangrove Maintenance Integration into Water Quality Subcommittee
IX. Old Business
X. Announcements
XI. Committee Member Discussion
XII. Next Meeting Date/Location
May 21,2009 - North Collier Regional Park, 15000 Livingston Road, Exhibit Hall,
Room A, Naples.
XIII. Adjournment
All interested pal1ied are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in writing, to the board prior to the
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April 16, 2009
I. Call to Order! Roll Call
Chairman Carroll called the meeting to order at 2:30PM
II. Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
III. Roll Call
Roll call was taken and a quorum was established.
IV. Changes and Approval of Agenda
Mr. Arceri moved to approve the agenda subject to the following additions:
Item VII. 1 - Updated Executive Summary
Item VII.2 - Peer Review
Item VII.3 - Resolutions for the CCBCC and the City of Naples
Second by Mr. Krumm. Carried unanimously 7-0.
V. Approval of Minutes
1. March 19,2009
Mr. Krum moved to approve the minutes of the March 19, 2009 meeting subject
to the following correction:
Page 5, paragraph 6, line #1 - from "more advantageous than buoys, as the buoys
will have a tendency..." to "more advantageous than buoys, as the buoys might
have a tendency. . . "
Second by Mr. Arceri. Carried unanimously 7-0.
VI. Chairman's Comments
1. Water Quality extent of coverage
The physical areas to be covered under water quality studies include Moorings
Bay (primarily data collections and analysis) as it is connected to Clam Bay via
culverts at Seagate Drive.
2. Dredging Memo
A memo was developed by the Chairman "Collier County Clam Bay Advisory
Committee" dated 4-20-09 which addresses the dredging issues in Clam Bay.
He requested Committee members consider avenues to distribute the memo (and
others) to the public. This will be taken up under item VII.4 of the agenda.
3. CAC approval of Permit Application for Dredging and Installation of
Navigational Markers.
The Permit Application for Dredging and the Plan for Installation of the
Navigational Markers were approved by the Coastal Advisory Committee on
April 9, 2009.
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4. Community Support for CBAC
Discussion on the importance of community support and public understanding of
the duties assigned to the Committee.
VII. Staff Reports
None
VIII. New Business
1. Water Quality studies and approval of Proposal by PBS&J
The Executive Summary (ES) "Recommend Approval from the Coastal Advisory
Committee to contract for Water Quality Monitoring, Data Collection,
Circulation/Sediment Modeling and a Natural Resource Characterization Study
of the Clam Bay Estuary as outlined in the attached PBS&J proposal dated
4/1/2009 for a time and materials not to exceed price of $265,012" was submitted
to the Committee for review.
Ms. Worley provided an overview of the work completed by the Subcommittees
in reference to the ES noting the following:
. Data collected in the Study should be compatible for submittal to the
STORET system.
. The need for similar parameters for collection and analysis of data
within the areas affecting the System by various consultants, etc.
. PBS&J was requested to prepare a proposal for a Water Quality Study
and provided the proposal "Water Quality Monitoring, Data Collection,
Circulation/Sediment Model and Natural Resource Characterization
Study. "
. The proposed Study was presented to the Water Quality, et a1
Subcommittee for approval with the purpose of providing a
comprehensive Water Quality Study of the System.
. The Committee approved the Study with minor wording changes (i.e. -
page 6- "Hydrographic Survey," - defining the System area),
requirement of a rigorous Peer Review, and for Staff to obtain full
funding for the Study.
She expressed concern with the current proposal on Page 11, "Assumptions" -
"This scope does not include time/effort to respond to or modify the work product
based on this Peer Review. "
Traditionally with Peer Review, the author of the Study responds or modifies the
Study as necessary.
Gary McAlpin stated PBS&J will need to be compensated for any additional
work required. It is difficult to provide a contract for this work, as the comments
from Peer Review are unknown at this time.
Ms. Worley expressed additional concern that data collection limited to 8 days
may not provide adequate calibration of the model.
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Bryan Flynn of PBS&J provided an overview of the Study highlighting the
following:
. 8 days of data collection is sufficient to calibrate the model
. More data is always beneficial; however the amount of data collection is
linked to cost considerations.
. Once the model is developed there is capacity to differentiate impact from
wet and dry seasons by altering the data input to the model which would
analyze the changes which may occur within the system.
Discussion ensued on the necessity of post model calibrations and/or
verifications.
It was noted the Study is the core topic for the task assigned to the Committee by
the Board of County Commissioners and needs to be as accurate as possible.
Gary McAlpin noted if the Peer review finds further calibration is necessary it
will be addressed at that time. He recommended:
On page 11, "Assumptions,"- the addition of item #6 to read:
"Seven days of calibration are included in the proposal. If additional calibration
is deemed necessary upon Peer Review, additional calibrations with a cost basis
of time and materials may be added to the contract. "
Discussion ensued on the current rate schedule for contractors and whether
PBS&J should consider a 20 percent reduction in rates.
Gary McAlpin noted the firm and 4 others are approved to provide Coastal Zone
Management Services to the County. The Contract will be within County
Purchasing Policy and the Policy is not within the scope of the CBAC.
The Committee requested Staff to present any items requiring formal action by the
Clam Bay Advisory Committee to them, before the item is heard by the Coastal
Advisory Committee.
Speakers
Marcia Cravens, Mangrove Action Group highlighted the following:
. County Purchasing Policy is relevant to the item.
. Alternative firms have not presented proposals for the Study.
. Expressed concern that conclusions have been reached that Water Quality
is sub-standard in Clam Bay when it currently meets State's standards.
. Many of the problems of water quality reside in Moorings Bay.
Linda Roth, Pelican Bay Resident highlighted the following:
. Expressed a "cost concern" on the Study.
. Only half of the Study will be completed in the Clam Bay system, the other
half is within the City of Naples.
. The Study may be duplicating efforts as Humiston & Moore addressed
some of the tasks in previous studies in November of2008 (Clam Pass
Restoration and Management Plan Biological Report #9).
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. The tax dollars proposed to be expended on this item should be spent on
municipal services.
Mary Johnson highlighted the following:
. Expressed concern that the Contract is pre-mature and not within the scope
of the CBAC.
. The Study is not within the scope of the Ordinance created by the BCC
directing the CBAC.
. The geographic scope of extent of the area to be studied by the Committee
is unclear.
. The purview of the Committee is the NRPA (Natural Resource Protection
Area).
Mr. Arceri expressed dismay that some individuals who appear to be focused on
the overall health of this Estuary are opposed to a new comprehensive study on it.
Mr. Arceri moved to accept the proposal (Water Quality Monitoring, Data
Collection, Circulation/Sediment Modeling and a Natural Resource
Characterization Study of the Clam Bay Estuary as outlined in the attached
PBS&J proposal dated 4/1/2009 for a time and materials not to exceed price of
$265,012) with thefollowing conditions:
1. The option to re-calibrate the model ifnecessary.
2. The Study is subject to an extensive Peer Review.
Second by Ms. Worley. Carried unanimously 7-0.
2. Peer Review
Gary McAlpin provided an overview of the Executive Summary "Recommend
Approval from the Clam Bay Advisory Committee to provide Peer Review from
Terrell-Hall and Associates, Humiston and Moore, Coastal Planning and
Engineering and Dr. Dean from the University of Florida to the PBS&J Clam Bay
Water Quality Monitoring, Data Collection, Circulation, Sediment Model and
Natural Resources characterization Study. The cost for the Peer Review is
expected not to exceed $50,000." He noted the review will include, but may not
be limited to:
. Data Collection techniques
. Data Analysis
. Review of Model Calibration
. Review of Modeling Techniques
. Review of Conclusions
It was noted Peer Reviews are common within the Industry and will be completed
in Phases as the Study proceeds. It is necessary to ensure the Study is publicly
accepted as "credible," technically accurate and includes experts previously
involved with issues in the Estuary.
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Discussion ensued on how matters would be adjudicated should there be any
disagreements on aspects of the Study.
Gary McAlpin noted the "phased review" concept should assist in ensuring the
final conclusions/recommendations will be agreed upon by all involved.
Speakers
Steve Feldhaus, Pelican Bay Foundation highlighted the following:
. The Foundation supports the work ofthe Clam Bay Advisory
Committee and supports the concept of a Peer Review of the Study.
. Clam Bay was deeded to Collier County in 1982, where the Declarant
held certain restrictive rights, with the rights currently assigned to the
Foundation.
. The Foundation is willing to participate in the process as the Clam Bay
Advisory Committee moves forward.
. The Foundation will review the recommendations from the Study and
provide approval as legally required in the assigned documents.
Ms. Worley moved to approve Peer Review from Terrell-Hall and Associates,
Humiston and Moore, Coastal Planning and Engineering and Dr. Dean from
the University of Florida to the PBS&J Clam Bay Water Quality Monitoring,
Data Collection, Circulation, Sediment Model and Natural Resources
Characterization Study as depicted in the Executive Summary. Second by Mr.
Krumm. Carried unanimously 7-0.
3. CAe approval of Permit Application for Dredging and Installation of
Navigational Markers.
Gary McAlpin provided an overview of the Executive Summary "Recommend
Approval from the Clam Bay Advisory Committee to request that resolutions from
the Collier County Board of County Commissioners and the City of Naples be
adopted that clearly express no interests in intentions from Collier County or the
City of Naples to Navigational Dredge Clam Pass or the Clam Bay System." He
noted the Resolution is intended to assure the public the County has no interest in
dredging Clam Pass or Clam Bay for navigational purposes.
The Committee noted the "Objective" in the ES states, "Assure the Pelican Bay
Community..." and should be revised to state, "Assure the public... "
Mr. Rogers expressed concern the Resolution is not enforceable as it is Policy,
not law.
Colleen Greene noted the question is "does the Committee want to make the
request for the City of Naples and the Board of County Commissioners to develop
a resolution of this nature"? There is no "Resolution" under consideration at this
point.
Mr. Rogers expressed concern the Policy may be construed to prevent
"dredging" should the canal in Seagate become impeded as this could be deemed
"dredging for navigation purposes."
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Ms. Worley noted the issue is already identified in County Policy under the
Collier County Coastal Zone Management Plan - 1991, Section 7.1.2 states "Clam
Pass should never be dredged for navigation purposes... "
Speakers
Steve Feldhaus, Pelican Bay Foundation noted the following:
. Expressed concern that legal precedent may require areas marked for
navigation remain open for navigational purposes.
. This may lead to navigational dredging of the area in question.
. Questions if the 1998 permit requires navigational markers in Clam
Bay, as well as the Pass.
. The navigational markers issue will be addressed with the Board of
County Commissioners.
Marcia Cravens, Mangrove Action Group, noted:
. County documents such as the Coastal Zone Management Plan indicate
dredging the Pass is for tidal flushing purposes and the Pass is "non-
navigable"
. She opposes placing navigation markers in the Pass.
. Dredging for tidal flushing and/or navigation cause damage to
Seagrasses and the marine environment.
Ned Renfroe noted he has boated in the system over a long period of time with
various motor boats and the area is "navigable."
Sarah Wu, Seagate Resident does not support a Resolution of this nature.
According to the Foundation, they have asserted they are the final authority for
any activities in Clam Bay. She disagrees with the assertion, however ifthis is
the case, the Resolution is unnecessary.
Gary McAlpin noted a Resolution, if adopted will not alter the County's position
on placing navigational markers in the system.
Mr. Krumm moved to approve the Executive Summary. Second by Mr. Glah.
Mr. Rogers noted the Seagate Homeowners Association has not reviewed the
item and he will be voting "no."
Motion carried 6 'yes" -1 "no." Mr. Rogers voted "no."
4. Communication and Dredging Memo
Discussion occurred on the document "Collier County Clam Bay Advisory
Committee" dated 4-20-09.
Mr. Clah left a 4:40PM
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Mr. Arceri moved to continue this item to the next meeting. Second by Mr.
Krumm. Motion carried 6 - o.
Committee members are requested to comment individually to Staff on the
content of the document.
5. Discussion of Mangrove Maintenance Integration into Water Quality
Subcommittee.
Mr. Arceri moved to continue this item to the next meeting. Second by Ms.
Worley. Motion carried unanimously 6-0.
IX. Old Business
None
X. Announcements
Gary McAlpin noted the Navigational Marking Plan, Dredging Permit Application
and Mission Statement, are slated to be heard by the BCC on May 12,2009.
Colleen Greene, Assistant County Attorney reminded Committee member's
documents are public record and need to be retained for a minimum of 3 years. A
member may turn the documents over to Staff who will retain the records.
XI. Committee Member Discussion
None
XII. Next Meeting Date/Location
May 21, 2009 - North Collier Regional Park, 15000 Livingston Road, Exhibit
Hall, Room A, Naples.
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was
adjourned by order of the Chair at 4:52 PM.
COLLIER COUNTY CLAM BAY ADVISORY
COMMITTEE
James A. Carroll, Chairman
These Minutes approved by the Board/Committee on
as presented or as amended
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