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CSC Minutes 06/07/1991 Children ' s Services Council of Collier County Minutes/Transcripts June 7 , 1991 r.r...rr W. ,� 2 r . 401. i.:"4-4,:t "Children... Today's Dream - Tomorrow's Reality' N �.: t`�1 GRAND CENTRAL STATION-SUITE 366 uo a.4� T ,` , GOODLETTE ROAD,NAPLES,FLORIDA 33940 ' 7 °.,e- TEL(813)649-8222 ,, 4 'A: ' a V. 4,, '4:944 'leg ,:,'s...,.i. Chairman: Bea Harper Vice Chairman Richard Shanahan The Children's Services Council of Collier County Secretary-Treasurer Mary Ellen zumFelde Meeting of June 7, 1991 couNca MEMBERS Judge Ted Brousseau Alma Cambridge Council Members Present Council Members Absent Deices G.Dry Nelson A.Faerber,Jr. Lavern Gaynor Alma Cambridge Judge Ted Brousseau John Passidomo Lavern Gaynor Delores G. Dry Dr.Thomas Richey Bea Harper Nelson Faerber, Jr. John Passidomo Richard Shanahan ECECI.MVEDIRECTO* Dr. Thomas Richey Paul C.Pinson Mary Ellen zumFelde Ty Cobb, HRS representative A meeting of the Children's Services Council was held on Friday, June 7, 1991 at 9:00 am, Collier County School Board Room. The meeting was chaired by Bea Harper, chairman. • The invocation was led by Rev. Leon Williams, St. John's Baptist Church, Immokalee, and Unity Faith Missionary Baptist Church, Naples. The pledge of allegiance was led by Mrs. Harper. Minutes of the previous meeting held April 5, 1991 were approved as presented. Motion made by John Passidomo; seconded by Alma Cambridge. Mr. Pinson, executive director, presented a calendar up-date on April and May activities. He then reported on the June 8, 1991 Special Gathering of "The Power Of A Vision," to be held at Trinity- By-The Cove. Invitations were mailed to the administrative and board member leaders of social service agencies, civic and corporate organizations. Approximately 90 persons were confirmed. Jim Mills,, executive director, Juvenile Welfare Board, Pinellas County and Appellate Judge Hugh Glickstein, Palm Beach, joined the Gathering as participants and facilitators rather than key-note speakers. Mr. Pinson then reported on the Needs Assessment Study's Planning Partner Meetings, scheduled for June 6, developed and divided into two AM and PM meetings. Approximately 120 invitations were mailed with a response of approximately 65 participants. The list was de- veloped by FSU and Fraser-Mohlke with some assistance from CSC. 4 CHILDREN'S SERVICES COUNCIL OF COLLIER COUNTY Thanks were given to the Economic Development Council for its publication of the "Children's Service Council Works for Kids and their Community" article in its May 1991 Newsletter "Community Affairs." Thanks were also given to the Children's Home Society of SW Florida for its donation of $1170, and to the Norris Foundation for its do- nation of $30,000. Mary Ellen zumFelde presented a financial budget for seven and one-half months, ending December 1991 Mr. Pinson announced plans were being made for a September Out- reach Program to be held at Marco Island. Barbara Rhodes, supervisor of the juvenile division of Collier County court system, member of the Juvenile Justice Task Force and the Gang Prevention Team addressed the Council on behalf of juvenile problems. There being no further comments from the Council or the community, the meeting was adjourned. A transcript of the meeting is being made a part of these minutes. Respectfully submitted, —61(\C44'\11 t:;Tael4 Mary Ellen zumFelde to 1 5: THE CHILDREN' S SERVICES COUNCIL OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA REGULAR BOARD MEETING TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS Had in the above-styled cause on June 7 , 1991 , at 3710 Estey Avenue , Naples , Florida, before Joseph F . Sineno, Court Reporter and Notary Public , State of Florida at Large . I PRESENT: BEA HARPER, LAVERN GAYNOR, Chairman. Council Member . PAUL PINSON, ALMA CAMBRIDGE, Executive Director . Council Member . JOHN PASSIDOMO, TY COBB , Council Member . Council Member . THOMAS RICHEY, MARY ELLEN zumFELDE, Council Member . Council Member . - - - fOrmriri Wil a I 1 0 ip,\-LA. iniaL, - COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE "Serving Florida's 20th Judicial Circuit longer than any other reporting firm ++TM Depositions • Trials • Hearings ci 2335 Tamiami Trail No., Suite 405 Post Office Box 266 Naples, Florida 33939 (81 3) 262-7113 2 1 MS . HARPER: This morning we' ll have the 4:) 2 invocation by Rev. Leon Williams who is affiliated 3 with St. John' s Baptist Church in Immokalee and the 4 Unity Faith Missionary Baptist Church in Naples . 5 [ Invocation. ] 6 MS . HARPER: We ' ll have the pledge of allegiance . 7 [ Pledge of Allegiance . ] 8 MS . HARPER: Okay. Would you do the roll call , 9 please? 10 MS . CAMPBELL: Judge Brousseau? 11 [No response . ] 12 MS . CAMPBELL : Mrs . Cambridge? 13 MS . CAMBRIDGE: Here . 14 MS . CAMPBELL : Mrs . Dry? 15 MR. COBB: I 'm Ty Cobb here for Mrs . Dry. 16 MS . CAMPBELL: Mrs . Ellis? 17 [No response . ] 18 MS . CAMPBELL: Mr . Faerber? 19 [No response . ] 20 MS . CAMPBELL: Mrs . Gaynor? 21 MS . GAYNOR: Present . 22 MS . CAMPBELL: Mrs . Harper? 23 MS . HARPER: Present. 24 MS . CAMPBELL: Mr . Passidomo? 25 MR. PASSIDOMO: Here . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 3 1 MS . CAMPBELL: Dr . Richey? 4;? 2 DR. RICHEY: Present. 3 MS . CAMPBELL: Mr . Ritz? 4 [No response . ] 5 MS . CAMPBELL : Mr . Shanahan? 6 [No response . ] 7 MS . CAMPBELL: And Mrs . zumFelde? 8 [No response . ] 9 MS . HARPER: We ' ll just note that Mr . Cobb, Ty 10 Cobb is in the place of Dee Dry who is representing 11 HRS . We have Bob Ritz on there but that is not Bob 12 Ritz . 13 Maybe we should just have a sign that says "HRS" 14 and then we 'd know. 15 Did everyone receive a copy of their -- of the 16 minutes of the last meeting? 17 Are there any corrections or additions or 18 subtractions or whatever? 19 Could I have a motion that they be approved then 20 and submitted? 21 MR. PASSIDOMO: So moved. 22 MS . CAMBRIDGE: Second. 23 MS . HARPER: All in favor? 24 [ "Aye" response . ] 1 NMI 25 MS . HARPER: Thank you. COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 4 1 Paul , we will have your report. 4; 2 MR. PINSON: I thought that since it' s been two 3 months since our meeting that I would bring the 4 council up to date on some of the activities since our 5 meeting. 6 Some of these are things you' re familiar with and 7 some perhaps you' re not. But -- 8 MS . HARPER: Paul? 9 MR. PINSON: Yes . 10 MS . HARPER: Some of the people in the back can' t 11 hear , so if you could -- 12 MR. PINSON: How about if I stand? 13 MS . HARPER: Yeah, so that everyone can hear what 14 you have to say. 15 MR. PINSON: Okay. Again, we participated with 16 David Lawrence Center and David Lawrence Center sent 17 out 15 , 000 book markers with a message from David 18 Lawrence Center and the Children' s Services Council on 19 those and I meant to bring them for each of you and 20 I 'm sorry I forgot that . 21 For Kid' s Sake we played host to -- with other 22 organizations for Kid' s Sake Day which included 23 sending out 16 , 000 brochures of the courtesy of 24 Collier County Parks and Rec . with our names and their 0 25 names on those . And that was a day that was held on COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 5 1 Immokalee Road at North Naples Park that we 1100 2 participated in, a very nice outing, several thousand 3 people came through so we had a chance to continuously 4 show the video in that particular outing. 5 We 've also been on the WNOG talk shows on the 6 16th of April and participated in TAG, Taxpayers ' 7 Action Group, and Alyse O'Neill ' s here and we ' re more 8 than happy to have you here again. Alyse was a part 9 of the needs assessment that began yesterday that I ' ll 10 give you more on that in just a few minutes . 11 Of course , we have the NAFC, the Naples Alliance 4 12 for Children Advocacy dinner which was another nice 13 opportunity to showcase the video for the Children' s It 14 Services Council . 15 Participated in the Town Forum on the 10th of 16 April whereby Children' s Services Council was one of 17 the main solutions that was recommended in various 18 areas of solutions that this community needed to 19 address certain problems with and that was primarily 20 in the arena of funding. So we had another 21 opportunity for 65 or 70 community leaders to come 22 together and to hear from each other that this was the 23 right way to go. 24 Palmer TV, we 've been on Palmer with the video 25 several times . In fact , Kid' s Sake Day week we had an COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida gr volimmito 6 1 opportunity to show it, so I didn' t catch it but they 2 showed it once . 3 Then Christie Bookstore is here . She is one of 4 five young ladies that went to Tallahassee at the 5 courtesy of the Naples Alliance for Children and she 6 also appeared on the Palmer Cable show Susan McKinsey 7 had and had an opportunity to talk about not only that 8 trip, but Children' s Services Council . 9 Then, of course , the Collier 2000 Update report 10 which included 70 or 80 , again, community leaders , 11 different community leaders that whereby the Naisbitt 12 Group highly praised the council as being a real step 13 in the right solution, the creation of the council , 14 and highly endorsed the community backing the special 15 taxation district when it comes up in front of the 16 voters . And, of course , we got very nice coverage out 17 of the Naples Daily News for that particular thing. 18 The County Commission, we went in front of the 19 County Commission in April for Child Abuse Month which 20 we took some young kids up in front of the County 21 Commission and had a chance to present our case for 22 support and what have you. 23 The first needs assessment meeting was held at 24 Naples Bath and Tennis a month or so ago and again the iC) 25 meat of the needs assessment really took place COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 7 1 yesterday, and I 'm going to give you an update to that CO 2 in just a few minutes . 3 We have made connections with Miami and other 4 cities such as -- also Port Charlotte , we 've been to 5 the Children' s Services Council public hearing on the 6 16th of May with Hugh Glickstein where we had an 7 opportunity to make a presentation. 8 Of course we participated in the state-wide 9 association meeting. We founded a state-wide 10 association of Children' s Services Councils and you' re 11 familiar with the fact, I hope , that you attended that 12 which was good. 13 And we also had an executive directors' 411 14 conference at the YMCA. We had a little briefing for 15 executive directors of key organizations that deal 16 with children in Collier County. Approximately 10 or 17 11 , several that are here today, in fact . And this 18 was in preparation for the conference tomorrow that 19 we' re hosting which I ' ll tell you about in just a few 20 minutes . 21 And on the 5th of May we participated in an 22 Hispanic outing; it' s called the Cinco de Mayo in 23 Immokalee where we had an opportunity to give out 24 several hundred pieces of information on the council A. 25 and to make some really good contacts . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 8 1 And just a little quick update on the fact that 2 the Juvenile Justice Task Force , several of whom are 3 represented here this morning, have had their first 4 official meeting. I recall , if you will , the fact 5 that they've approached us sometime back as being 6 something that we could correlate with, but they' re on 7 their own at the moment; they' re up and they' re 8 running and they' re making good headway, so just to 9 give you an update on that . 10 That' s about it. 11 MS . HARPER: Does anyone have -- maybe there ' re 12 some questions, Paul . Anyone have any questions about 4:) 13 any specific thing on Paul ' s report that they'd like 14 to ask questions about? 15 Anyone on the council? 16 I always assume that since I work six feet from 17 Paul , that everybody else knows exactly what he ' s 18 doing. 19 Thank you, Paul . 20 Paul , do you want to talk about the conference 21 tomorrow? 22 MR. PINSON: Yes . 23 The conference tomorrow is shaping up to be an 24 ideal step forward for the council in making a 47.) 25 substantial headway in terms of building the kind of COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 9 1 support, the foundation of support this council needs 140 2 to win a referendum at the polls in March, if we go in 3 March. 4 And again, we ' ll be dealing with a select body 5 and primarly what, quote , is considered the leadership 6 of the community, and particular to that conference 7 are the boards of directors of the 12 to 15 key 8 agencies, and there ' re a lot of agencies , but we had 9 to be somewhat selective just by virtue of a physical 10 limitation, 12 to 15 key agencies that serve children 11 in Collier County as well as certain selective vested 12 agencies or organizations that have on their agenda 13 enhancing the community such as the Economic 14 Development Council , the Chamber of Commerce , not the 15 Community Foundation although they are invited, but 16 the Education Foundation. 17 So there are a broad swap of vested people coming 18 to -- we had 90 confirmations . Counting the 19 facilitators , there ' ll be approximately 108 people 20 there tomorrow which is outstanding in terms of 21 percentages considering it' s the 8th of June , so we ' re 22 real pleased with that. 23 The conference is shaping up to be very 24 experiential in nature . There will be very little , if 4;) 25 any, speech-making. I 'm excited about that . A COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida A. moill 10 1 complaint that all of us have is that one more 4:) 2 meeting, one more conference , we ' re doing the same , 3 very radically different . We ' re taking a risk of 4 sorts in a certain sense and the risk is that we ' re 5 making some general assumptions . 6 One is that before we can go out and heal others , 7 we need to heal ourselves . An assumption is that we 8 need to co-create the vision, so we ' re giving some 9 power to a community in doing that . It won' t be just 10 the Children' s Services Council telling the community 11 what to do . It ' s actually the community, what they 12 want to do. 13 It' s exciting; it' s shaping up to be a very 4, J 14 interesting day. It will go from 10 : 00 a.m. to 4 15 roughly 3 : 00 or 4 : 00 p.m. We have Judge Glickstein 16 coming as well as Jim Mills from St. Pete and even 17 though they' re coming, they' re not keynote speakers . 18 They' re going to be participants and facilitators . So 19 I hope to give you an interesting update at our next 20 meeting. 21 MS . HARPER: Thank you, Paul . 22 You might as well stay up there ; we need to know 23 about the needs assessment now. 24 MR. PINSON: The needs assessment . 10 25 Well , we met yesterday. The sessions were COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 11 1 developed and divided into two, a .m, and an afternoon, 2 p.m. meetings . There were roughly 120 invitations 3 sent out . A total of approximately 65 participants 4 which was fine . The list was developed by FSU and 5 Fraser-Mohlke with some assistance by us , but 6 primarily through Fraser-Mohlke . 7 The intention was to develop a broad spectrum of 8 the community' s involvement to cover not only 9 geographic areas, Everglades City, Marco, Immokalee , 10 North Naples , Naples Park , but also to get a large 11 cross-section of the community in terms of various 12 constituencies such as Christie , although didn' t show, 13 and fortunately other students did. But we wanted 14 students to be there . We wanted minorities to be 15 represented. We wanted the taxpayers groups to be 16 represented. 17 We purposely, just as the conference tomorrow, 18 we ' re not particularly choosing just supporters ; we 19 saw that as an opportunity for education, but also as 20 an opportunity whether they ultimately favor the 21 taxing referendum or not, an opportunity to play a 22 role and be a part of the needs assessment, to create 23 something dynamic with that particuliar element . 24 So we did get a fairly substantial cross-section, 25 although there ' s a lot more work , in my opinion, that COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 12 1 needs to be done in that area . (;) 2 For those that were not there , the 60 plus that 3 were not there , there will be follow-ups . Each will 4 be sent a letter and a form to fill out so that the 5 same opportunity the participants had yesterday, they 6 will have . We ' re hoping to get their participation. 7 That meeting yesterday, the primary focus was to 8 begin the development of the ideal vision for our 9 community. And what FSU' s -- FSU has a very unique 10 approach. They don' t do a , quote , standard needs 11 assessment . Their belief is what will come out of 12 this vision creation will drive the needs assessment . 13 Their belief is that they will measure through hard 14 and soft data collection the differences , again, 15 between what currently exists in Collier County and 16 what this ideal vision of a community should be , the 17 true needs of the community. 18 So it was an important first step and an 19 important meeting. I 'm honestly not sure how the 20 participants , and I 'm anxious to talk to folks like 21 David Schimmel , et cetera, who was a participant there 22 and get their feedback . But since I had the inside 23 track and I know the importance of that first step and 24 that meeting yesterday, I 'm curious as to how the 10 25 other participants related that, whether they saw that COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples, Florida 13 1 as, you know, the real substance that it really was 2 because it' s an important aspect of the entire needs 3 assessment. 4 But it was a first step; it was a good one . FSU 5 had their entire team doing it with Fraser-Mohlke . 6 They will be conducting a second one , a second meeting 7 shortly after the summer is over . They will be 8 calling up now and beginning the data collection 9 stage . So the important thing to report to this 10 council is the real meat of the assessment has begun. 11 And I think it' s gotten off on a good foot, the right 12 start, and the summer will be a summer of substantial 13 work for FSU and for Fraser-Mohlke in particular in 14 terms of collection of the data . 15 MS . HARPER: Thank you. 16 David, since you were there , do you want to make 17 any comments? 18 MR. SCHIMMEL : Yeah, I would like to make a brief 19 comment . 20 I thought the meeting was particularly good 21 because we had a group of people together all with 22 individual needs . And the real focus of the meeting 23 was let' s put those individual needs aside and look at 24 the overview; let' s try to develop a vision of really 0 25 where we want to be . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 14 1 And I think that frustrated some people . But it 2 really set the tone , and I think that was the right 3 direction. 4 MS . HARPER: That' s great . That' s what we ' re 5 trying to accomplish. 6 You have the handout in front of you regarding 7 the EDC newsletter that was sent out? 8 Paul , would you like to talk about that? 9 MR. PINSON: Just a couple of quick comments , no 10 talking is necessary, not too much talking. 11 It was real fortuitous and nice of the Economic 12 Development Council to give us the opportunity to 13 address their membership and 200 plus business leaders 14 of Collier County. And we created the newsletter that 15 you see in front of you which was sent out and I think 16 it was not only informative but very positive and 17 we've gotten several good comments and good reaction 18 from it, so that is , I think , particularly a strong 19 need of this council . 20 We have what seems to be ample and very 21 substantial support from the service provider 22 community for the social service agencies , et cetera . 23 I think we really need to do some hard work with the 24 business community to educate them to what we ' re all 471) 25 about. I think this was a nice step forward in that . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples, Florida 15 1 MS . HARPER: Thank you. 4:) 2 The next item on the agenda is the letter which 3 you have in front of you from the Children' s Home 4 Society. And I think I will read it for the benefit of 5 the audience so that they know. 6 Dear Paul : Enclosed are two checks to support 7 the continued efforts of the Collier County Children' s 8 Services Council . Between April 5th and May 1st we 9 colected $1 , 170 from our board as donations for the 10 Children' s Services Council , with the largest single 11 donation being $250 . 12 Our board is planning a Collier County fund 13 raiser for the month of June with details to follow. 4:1) 14 We will be donating 50 percent of our proceeds to the 15 Children' s Services Council . 16 I regret that I will be unable to attend the 17 meeting which you have scheduled for May 14th at the 18 YMCA. If it would be acceptable , I may be able to 19 have a memeber of our social work staff represent me 20 at that meeting. 21 And the rest is not necessary. But I just think 22 that they should be -- they are the first agency who 23 have come forward and said: Look , you know, we know 24 that we have needs and we certainly need funding and 4D25 we ' re willing to put our money where our mouth is and COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 16 1 help you all out, because as I 've pointed out at the 2 last council meeting, funds , we are in a crisis stage 3 of funds . And we need help to get us through until we 4 can fund ourselves . 5 So I thought it was just wonderful that the 6 Children' s Home Society is for us and they've come out 7 and said, you know, let us help you. 8 And the other nice letter that we have in front 9 of you is from the Norris Foundation. It says, Dear 10 Mr . Pinson: On behalf of the directors of the Dellora 11 and Lester J. Norris Foundation, enclosed is a check 12 for $30 , 000 representing a grant to be used at your 13 discretion for the advancement of your worthy 14 purposes . The grant was recommended by Mrs . Lavern N. 15 Gaynor of 800 Admiralty Parade East, Naples , Florida 16 33940 . 17 So as you can see , that' s going to keep us 18 solvent for a few months . But thanks , Lal , very much. 19 Mary Ellen, would you like to talk about the 20 budget? I 'm glad you got here in time . 21 MS . zumFELDE: I apologize . 22 Well , all I can do is just go over -- all of you 23 have before you a current budget as it is and it looks 24 like we are in better shape than we thought that we 25 would be . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 17 1 Do you want me to go into details of the budget 2 then for the audience ' s sake? 3 MS . HARPER: Well , uh-huh. 4 MS . zumFELDE: Okay. We just have cash on hand 5 total of $34 , 407 . And I guess to raise funds in the 6 amount of $47 , 642 because of our expenses . And that 7 seems to be a shortfall that we ' re going to be 8 needing. 9 MS . HARPER: Well , the shortfall is actually -- 10 MS . zumFELDE: $12 , 000 . 11 MS . HARPER: Yeah, $235 . But I guess if we don' t 12 get the money in it , we won' t spend it . 13 MS . zumFELDE: Yeah. 14 [ Simultaneous discussion, unintelligible . ] 15 MS . zumFELDE: The operating expenses are down to 16 bare bone . As you know, there are a lot of volunteers 17 that work for the Children' s Services Council , so 18 we 've got a shortfall of about $12 , 235 . 19 MR. PINSON: You might make note that this takes 20 us through -- 21 MS . HARPER: December . 22 MR. PINSON: The end of the year . 23 MS . HARPER: It will take us through December 24 31st. And, you know, Children' s Services Council is 25 in a good position in that we do everything with a COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 18 1 bare , bare , you know, it' s just our expenses are 2 really low simply because we share office space with 3 Naples Alliance for Children who bears half of the 4 expenses . So that' s worked out well and convinces me 5 that a lot of times if some of the agencies would 6 coordinate instead of all spreading out in different 7 places , we might do things with a lot less money. 8 DR. RICHEY: The money that is anticipated as a 9 result of the gift to cover needs assessment -- 10 MR. PINSON: What' s not reflected actually in 11 this particular budget is the funds for the needs 12 assessment . Those are coming out of, of course , the 13 Community Foundation' s account . So this is strictly 14 operational . 15 DR. RICHEY: Well , what I 'm trying to say is the 16 contract for the needs assessment was what? 17 MR. PINSON: Thirty-five . 18 DR. RICHEY: Is that going to be paid by separate 19 check from another foundation? I mean, from another 20 organization. 21 MR. PINSON: No. It' s paid by us . They pour the 22 funds over into a special Children' s Services Council 23 account . 24 DR. RICHEY: All I 'm trying to say is that those (6, 25 funds will be transferred and then you' ll write the COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 4111=1- 19 1 checks out of the Children' s Services Council account 2 so we can have -- at the end of the year we have an 3 idea of revenues versus expenses . 4 MR. PINSON: It' s the Naples Alliance for 5 Children. 6 MS . HARPER: Actually, the money was donated to 7 the -- 8 [ Simultaneous discussion, unintelligible . ] 9 MS . HARPER: To the Naples Alliance . 10 Actually, the money was donated by the Community 11 Foundation to the Naples Alliance for Children because 12 they' re a 5013C [ sic ] organization. And the funds 4 13 come out to pay for the needs assessment from out of It 14 the Naples Alliance for Children account. 15 MR. PINSON: But a specially designated 16 Children' s Services Council account. 17 MS . HARPER: Under Naples Alliance . 18 Tom, does that sound screwy? 19 DR. RICHEY: It' s a little strange bookkeeping, 4 20 but it' s okay. I just wanted to make sure that when 21 you get through that we can reflect our revenues 22 versus expenditures and have a real true picture 23 because if the public did not see what we 've been 24 involved in in terms of actual expenditures , they 0 25 would say, "Gosh, why does the Children' s Services COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 20 1 Council need $125 , 000 when they actually only spent 0 2 last year 50 something thousand dollars?" 3 What I 'm trying to say, you need to make sure you 4 give vision to your revenue picture , whatever it is , 5 at the same time you give exposure to your expenditure 6 side so you can justify going to the public and 7 saying, "These are legitimate financial needs 8 predicated on our expenditure record. " 9 Does that make sense to you, Mr . Passidomo? 10 MR. PASSIDOMO: Yes , sir , it does . 11 DR. RICHEY: That' s all I 'm trying to say to you. 12 MS . CAMPBELL: I can restructure it. 4 13 MR. PINSON: I think that' s an excellent point . 14 DR. RICHEY: In anything, anything that anybody 15 gives to this council -- I 'm sorry, I 'm not trying to 16 rush your fingers . 17 Anything that anybody gives to this council in 18 the form of revenue needs to be reflected on the 19 revenue side because we ' re spending it . And if we 20 don' t show the public that we had the revenue but we 21 had the expenditure responsibility, how are we going 22 to justify requests for dollars in the future to Y 23 continue our programs? 24 That' s all I 'm trying to say, the only point I 'm 25 trying to make , not arguing with bookkeeping or COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 4 emmummiv 21 1 anything else . 2 MS . HARPER: David? 3 MR. SCHIMMEL : Are you not a 501C3 yet? 4 MS . HARPER: No, we ' re not . 5 MR. SCHIMMEL : Do you have plans to become one? 6 MS . HARPER: Mark addressed that at the last 7 meeting, Dave . No, I don' t believe we do because 8 we' re government . 9 MR. PINSON: The rule is we basically -- and, of 10 course , the only reason that it' s handled in the way 11 that it was handled was that we needed to be or have a 12 501C3 from the Community Foundation' s perspective to 4 13 get anything at all . So we used the Naples Alliance 14 for Children as a conduit of funds and I know you 15 understand that . 16 Correct me if I 'm wrong, Mark, but I think the 17 legal ruling that you gave us was basically for all 18 intents and purposes we can now act as a 501C3 . 19 MR. PRICE: Well , as I recall the opinion of Joe 20 Cox that donations to this council would be tax 21 deductible . And as a practical matter , we ' re looking 22 into perhaps going to the 501C3 and put donations from 23 the Norris Foundation, but since they have decided 24 that that' s not necessary in order to make that 25 donation and as a practical matter we agreed to that COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 22 1 to carry legally. 2 MS . GAYNOR: I think it depends upon the rules of 3 the foundation, doesn' t it? 4 MR. PINSON: And for your particular foundation, 5 we were acceptable . 6 MS . HARPER: But I 'm not sure that we would have 7 been under the Community Foundation. And in fact, 8 when the needs assessment was mentioned, the 9 Children' s Services Council was not in place . The 10 Community Foundation came to Naples Alliance for 11 Children and asked how they could help us in working 12 with the needs for children. 13 And our reply to them was that we felt before we 14 could ever do anything, that we must have a needs 15 assessment, but that was our first project and that' s 16 how the Community Foundation came into the picture and 17 said, "Then we will try to fund a needs assessment so 18 the whole community can know what the needs are . " So 19 that' s the way it was started and it was my 20 understanding that the Community Foundation could not 21 give to someone who was not a 5013C [ sic ] U) 000 22 organization, so that' s where the $7-3"e01-04' is . 23 MR. PINSON: Just to make sure that we end on the 24 right note, I duly noted your -- 25 DR. RICHEY: That' s no problem. COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 23 1 MR. PINSON: -- point. A good point . 2 MS . CAMPBELL: And another thing, when this 3 budget was made up, Dr . Richey, we had not received 4 the first payment from the Community Foundation and it 5 is what we call our Florida Federal account, that 6 first payment. And I ' ll redo it . 7 DR. RICHEY: I was not questioning anything with 8 the money. I was strictly coming from the perspective 9 of being able to demonstrate expenditures of this I 10 council which justifies our continued emphasis on 11 funds to drive the needs of the Children' s Services 12 Council ; that' s all I was trying to do. 13 The bookkeeping is fantastic . I just wanted to 14 make sure . 15 Someone in the back , Madam Chairman, wishes to 16 speak . 17 MS . O'NEILL: What Dr . Richey is now saying and I 18 know people will ask me , I did attend yesterday the 19 seminar and I found it interesting. And I understand 20 that there are two groups , in the morning and the 21 afternoon. Paul was there and the speaker , the doctor 22 from the university said the morning group was totally 23 different than the afternoon group. I was in the 24 afternoon group but I found that interesting. Mr 25 The question I want to ask you, and I know people COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 1 24 1 will ask me , number one , how much does a seminar like 4:) 2 that cost and who paid for it? I know people are 3 going to ask me that, and I don' t know whether Paul 4 can answer that or not . 5 MR. PINSON: Yes , i ' l be happy to take a stab at 6 it, Alyse . 7 MS . O'NEILL : Okay. 8 MR. PINSON: The seminar was the first step of 9 the overall needs assessment that has been contracted 10 with FSU, Fraser-Mohlke and the Children' s Services 11 Council . That overall study is costing $35 , 000 . So 12 that' s not for yesterday, though. 13 So that study of $35 , 000 is an ongoing study that 14 will take approximately seven months to accomplish. 15 MS . O'NEILL: But who pays that bill? 16 MR. PINSON: That was funded through the 17 Community Foundation, so it was privately funded. 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I just want to give you my 19 little opinion. I enjoyed it; I was in the afternoon 20 group where the director , the doctor said we were 21 totally diferent than the morning group. But I must 22 confess, I didn' t learn anything . Everything I heard 23 from everybody I heard a hundred times before and the 24 end result from each person was we need more money, we MP 25 need more money. COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 25 1 Am I right, Paul , and he was trying to tell us to 2 fill up the gap. He wanted information from us, the 3 needs assessment . But I had no idea you were spending 4 that kind of money. 5 And I 'm just trying to say to you, I 'm preparing 6 you for what people will say out in the field that -- 7 well , that even Mr . Passidomo from the City of Naples 8 is realizing how much waste there is in government. 9 And that' s where I 'm coming from when you go on the 10 ballot . 11 DR. RICHEY: Alyse , I can assure you that the 12 $35, 000 expenditure for that needs assessment 13 mirroring FSU' s research capabilities and Mohlke , 14 Fraser-Mohlke ' s local data collection abilities, that 15 is a bargain. 16 Some of the bids came in, I believe , in excess of 17 $60 , 000 . That is not uncommon for a community, the 18 kinds of needs assessment which we need to drive our 19 strategies and to determine that we are on the right 20 track . And to have data that is not reflective of 21 your thoughts or my thoughts or someone ' s , but what 22 unbiased data collectors researchers find and present 23 to us , that' s the whole key, I think , to projecting 24 our fiscal needs . 25 I think it was a great bargain at $35 , 000 . I COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 4111111111111111111111 4 26 1 know that if we had to pay for that kind of a study or 4110 2 any other county agency had to pay for that kind of a 3 needs assessment , it would have been far in excess of 4 that . We negotiated it down. 5 MS . O'NEILL: Thank you. 6 MR. PINSON: Alyse , I encourage you too not to 7 judge the needs assessment by the session yesterday. 8 That was a beginning session. It wasn' t to impart 9 information to the participants ; it wasn' t a seminar 10 by any stretch of the imagination; it was a 11 data-gathering seminar . And what we actually wanted 12 was for you and for the other 120 participants to 13 create a vision of our community. So they' re 14 eliciting -- soliciting information from you. 15 So I didn' t go there expecting them to tell me 16 anything new, but rather to begin the process of, so 17 it was just a first baby step forward in the needs 18 assessment . 19 MS . O'NEILL : Thank you. 20 MS . HARPER: Any other comments? 21 No comments , John? 22 MR. PASSIDOMO: I want to endorse what Dr . Richey 23 said. I think we 've got to present a total picture 24 and I think that ' s all he ' s suggesting, that if we ' re 'Nur 25 going to document what we ' re doing, let' s make sure COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 27 1 that it is a complete and accurate picture . I think 2 his comment is well taken. 3 MS . HARPER: Mark? 4 MR. PRICE: If I can follow up on that, we have 5 to fully comply with the solicitation of funds . If 6 somebody in the community does ask for that disclosure 7 statement, we really ought to have as comprehensive a 8 breakdown of the expenses . 9 MS . HARPER: Kay, did you get that? 10 MS . CAMPBELL : I was just working on the 11 operational aspect of it . I 'm not a CPA. I can 12 rewrite this . 13 DR. RICHEY: No, I don' t think you need to . That 401) 14 was a philosophical statement for the council ' s 15 position, that' s all . Your work is fine and very much 16 appreciated. 17 MS . CAMPBELL: I thought about it but I didn' t 18 put it in. 19 DR. RICHEY: That' s okay. 20 MS . HARPER: Paul , do you want to talk about the 21 Marco meeting? 22 MR. PINSON: Well , what I 'm going to suggest is 23 that the council consider is that as we move into, 24 after the summer months , that we begin our outreach 4r) 25 program once again will be coming to the -- not to the COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 28 1 ending of the needs assessment, that would be in the 4:) 2 latter part of October , but we ' re getting it to the 3 point where we really need to start reaching out to 4 the community. 5 And I 'm working with Dick Shanahan, Commissioner 6 Shanahan and Leonard Llewellyn to put together a 7 meeting on Marco that can draw a fairly large 8 constituency there . 9 So I would suggest that this council have a 10 September Marco outreach meeting at some date to be 11 determined. 12 MS . HARPER: That' s in addition to our regular 13 meeting? le 14 MR. PINSON: That' s correct . 15 MS . HARPER: Okay. 16 Any discussion? I think it ' s a great idea . 17 We 've been to Immokalee . 18 Do you need a vote on that or can we just take a 19 general consent that we let Paul go ahead with plans 20 for a September meeting? Thank you. 21 And now Barbara Rhodes , we ' re going to ask 22 Barbara to come up and talk about our juvenile I 23 division of the Collier County court system. 24 MS . RHODES : I 'm Barbara Rhodes . I 'm supervisor 25 of the juvenile division. I have been with the COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida. rmi mw 29 1 juvenile department for 10 and-a-half years with the 2 clerk ' s office . 3 I am a member of the Juvenile Justice Task Force 4 and as a spin-off, the Gang Prevention Team. 5 I don' t think , and I think all of you know that 6 do any work with children, there ' s no more frustrating 7 job in the whole world than working with children. 8 The news media plays juvenile problems up real 9 big. But when you come down to our local level , 10 nothing is done . There ' s a lot of talk , but there ' s 11 no action. No one really wants to help. 12 I don' t consider children to be statistics , but 13 since I do have to keep statistics for Tallahassee and 401) 14 for Jim once in a while , in 1990 alone in Collier 15 County we had 1 , 063 new delinguent cases ; 165 new 16 dependent cases ; and approximately 50 sins and fins 17 cases . And I will explain to you in a moment what 18 that is . 19 Of our delinquents, first time offenders 20 constituted 62 percent of the children. Second time 21 offenders, 17 percent. The third through six time 22 offenders also 17 percent , and 7 or above which we 23 count as habitual offenders , 5 percent . 24 To break these down into categories , 25 dependencies , as most of you are aware of because they COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples, Florida 30 1 are the most publicized section are the abused, 4:) 2 abandoned and neglected children. 3 I disagree -- I disagree with the legislature in 4 a lot of things , but this in particular . In our 5 dependent cases, their main goal seems to be reunite 6 children with parents . Not true . When a child is 7 taken from parents and placed in foster care , a 8 judicial review is held every six months . A 9 performance agreement is given to these parents . It 10 sets out goals that they' re supposed to do. If any of 11 us as parents for any reason had had our children 12 removed from us, would it have taken you 6 , 12 or 18 13 months to complete some things to get your kids back? 14 I think I could have done it in two months or less . 15 They have to go to parenting classes ; substance 16 abuse treatment; have a stable job; have a home for 17 the child to live in. The statutes say that if a 18 child is at the 18th month review, when this child has 19 been in foster care , if the parents had not done what 20 they were supposed to do, then that child is to be 21 placed for adoption. 22 We have 1985 cases ; the children are still in 23 foster care because the parent will come up right 24 before , maybe a week before the 18th month review and 25 maybe they have signed up for a parenting class . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 31 1 Well , as long as there ' s hope, they say let' s give 2 this parent another chance . 3 By the time that some of these parents could get 4 their children back , the child is too old to be 5 adopted. No one wants it so they spend their life 6 until they' re 18 years old going from one foster home 7 to another . 8 A lot of our parents have never passed, and it' s 9 a cycle , it' s the way they were raised, the way their 10 parents were raised, they've never passed the first 11 step on the master hierarchy which is nothing but your 12 basic food, water , physical comfort, the physiological 13 needs , and that' s all that these children know. 14 The second category which is the main thing that 15 we deal with is delinquencies . These are children 16 that have committed crimes, picked up by law 17 enforcement . What people don' t know or fail to 18 realize by the time they say, "That ' s a bad kid, " is 19 that 70 percent of our delinquents started out as 20 dependents . 21 Now, my main thing that comes in between is the 22 sins and fins which Judge Brousseau has said sounded 23 like an underwater orgy to him. It' s children in need 24 of services and families in need of services . They' re 25 truants, ungovernables and runaways . These are COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 32 1 children that can be helped but there is not one place 401) 2 to help them, not only in this county but in the State 3 of Florida. They have not committed a crime , so 4 they' re not deliquents . They' re not dependent 5 children; they have homes if you call a roof over 6 their head a home . 7 The thing is that our office averages four to 8 five calls a week and we ' re just part of it . The 9 state attorney' s office gets calls; HRS gets calls . 10 Parents want to know what can I do for my child before 11 they become delinquent . we know that they' re running 12 with the wrong crowd; we know that they' re stealing 13 from us . 41) 14 We can tell them one of two things : You can 15 either beat your kid or kick them out of the house , 16 let HRS step in, press charges against you, make that 17 child dependent; or you can ask them to go out and 18 steal and be sure the police see them so that they can 19 pick them up and get them into the delinquent system. 20 There is no place for these children. 21 We desperately, not in Lee County, not in some 22 other county, but in Collier County, need a place 23 where these children can be placed. Some of these 24 children and families need nothing but a rest from 25 each other . They need someone , a third party just COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples, Florida 33 1 like at any type of counseling, marriage counseling or 410 2 anything, that can listen to the parents, listen to 3 the child and tell the other ones what they' re saying 4 because they have reached the point of frustration. 5 These children are your future delinquents . 6 These parents are your future abusers . Because of the 7 frustration, there is going to be abuse because 8 nothing can be done and the child can go on and on 9 until he happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong 10 time , then he becomes one of our statistics in the 11 delinquency system. 12 This sins and fins which is really laughable , 13 it' s covered in Florida Statutes . Florida Statute 39 11100 14 covers the juveniles . 39 . 42 through 39 . 447 is 15 exclusively sins and fins . There are sanctions in 16 there that can be imposed on parents ; there are things 17 that children must do . The legislature came up with 18 all this glorious plan which was good, could be good, 19 of steps that need to be taken. You may as well take 20 Scotch tape and put all those pages together because 21 they allocated the money, then when they cut the 22 budget, juveniles , I think more than any in the 23 judicial system, was hurt . They withdrew every penny 24 for all of this . 25 We have nothing to do with these children. These COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 34 1 children are truants. The school is implementing an 2 assist program. It' s going to do a tremendous amount . 3 Making the parents responsible , they've got to be made 4 responsible . 5 These children and parents call and say, "I can' t 6 do a thing with them, " and you want to say, "Why 7 didn' t you start when they were a year old?" All of a 8 sudden, a six-foot two father comes in with a 12 9 year-old son and says, "I can' t do anything with him. " 10 They' re afraid of HRS . HRS in some ways has 11 relaxed. Discipline is allowed, not corporal 12 punishment, discipline . But these people are so 13 engrained now with the child saying, "You do this and 14 I 'm going to call HRS , " that they' re afraid to touch 15 them. Most of them are even afraid to say anything to 16 them because a lot of our kids can misconstrue , and 17 that child is going to end up calling HRS, making some 18 kind of allegation against the parent . Some of them 19 are true . When you sit in there 10 and-a-half years , 20 you see a lot go through the system. 21 In Tennessee , I think they have a great policy. 22 First time offender , the child pays . Second time , 23 parent and child pay. Very few third time offenders . 24 When something is imposed on the parent -- one thing 25 is that parenting should be mandatory. Parenting for COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 35 1 children of all ages, not just babies, not just people 2 expecting children, it' s easy when they' re little and 3 it' s yes, ma' am and no, ma' am. It' s hard when they' re 4 older . And the group of children that we deal with, 5 our juveniles usually start in the system about eight 6 years old. Some of them we have until they' re 18 7 years old and they get worse . A lot of them turn into 8 your habitual offenders . 9 Parenting is something that I think all of us 10 could have used. None of our kids, as we 've always 11 heard, came with a manual saying how to raise them. 12 It doesn' t hurt. Plus when you have a lot of the type 13 of parents that we have that never knew how to parent 14 to start with, they weren' t parented. So all they' re 15 doing is bringing them up and hoping that society is 16 going to take care of them. 17 The staffing board are the community parenting -- 18 was that decided on, Jenny -- is going to be a very 19 good step for these children. This will be the second 20 time offenders and it will be comprised of community 21 leaders, professionals , people that can step in and 22 talk to the children, evaluate , see what can be done 23 and how these children and families can be helped. 24 People are trying, they' re trying so hard. 25 And I promised you 10 minutes . COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples, Florida 36 1 But one thing that really, and not to down 2 anyone , but really aggravates me in this county, this 3 city, as people move down here and they say that 4 Naples is paradise , they take paradise literally. 5 They put blinders on. What they see here , they left 6 up north. They don' t realize that on a small scale in 7 this county, we've got the same problems they had up 8 north. 9 We should have the money and the resources in 10 this county, but first people have got to care . And 11 the only people you' re going to find aside from people 12 like you that do care , are victims . Boy, do they ever 13 get concerned when they' re a victim. 14 It' s nothing for one of our children, and not 15 just the habitual offenders , to go on a spree and in 16 one night they will burglarize five to six dwellings, 17 occupied dwellings . That' s when people get up in 18 arms , but then the only people that get up in arms are 19 the victims again because it always happens to someone 20 else . 21 I think you' re all doing a tremendous job. I 22 think the system is so big and so out of hand. One 23 is , I think juveniles are taken too lightly. The 24 judges , the state attorneys , public defenders , HRS , 25 their hands are tied, tied by laws , policies that are COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 37 1 made in Tallahassee . 2 We have judges , state attorneys and public 3 defenders that go through juvenile as training grounds 4 only because they have to. No one wants to handle 5 juvenile . It' s very frustrating to the rest of us 6 that stayed in juvenile and work with juveniles all 7 the time to see that they come through and some of 8 them don' t even take it seriously. So how can you 9 expect the children to? 10 We need a place ; we need something desperately 11 for these in between children that are falling through 12 the cracks . Our truancies are a big part, but truancy 13 is a start of what' s happening. These kids are going 14 to be delinquent, and I hate to see so many more turn 15 into statistics . 16 I thank you for what you' re doing. 17 Please , I know that a lot is focused on 18 dependency, but don' t forget our other kids . They' re 19 really important. They are dependents , too ; they' re 20 just a little more obnoxious . 21 Thank you so much. 22 MS . HARPER: Are there any comments from the 23 audience or anyone who wants to discuss anything? 24 Any questions? 25 If not, could I have a motion that we adjourn? COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida 38 1 [Motion made , seconded and voted in favor of . ] 2 [Whereupon, the meeting was concluded . ] 3 CERTIFICATE 4 STATE OF FLORIDA ) 5 COUNTY OF COLLIER) 6 I , JOSEPH F . SINENO, Notary Public , State of 7 Florida at Large , do hereby certify that the foregoing 8 proceedings were taken before me at the time and place as 9 stated in the caption hereto at Page 1 hereof; that the 10 foregoing typewritten transcription, consisting of pages 11 numbered 1 through 37 , inclusive , is a true record of my 12 stenographic notes taken at said proceedings . 13 I further certify that I am neither of counsel 14 nor solicitor to any of the parties involved nor interested 15 in the event of the cause . 16 WITNESS my hand and official seal in the Cityhi itof 17 Naples , County of Collier , State of Florida, this day 18 of , 1991 . 19 / 20 Lgi,1 414 AAA 21 oseph F . Sineno 22 otary Public 23 State of Florida at Large . 24 ",�„► JOSEPH F. SINENO .tea°•' : *= MY COMMISSION EXPIRES 2 5 nOBONDED THPU NOTARY PUBLIC UNDERWRITERS January 27, 1994 COLLIER REPORTING SERVICE Naples , Florida