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DSAC Minutes 08/07/2002 RAugust 7, 2002 Development Services Advisory Committee Development Services Building, Conference Room E 2800 North Horseshoe Drive Naples, FL 34104 MINUTES AUGUST 7, 2002 ATTENDENCE DSAC Members Charles M. Abbott Dalas D. Disney Robert L. Duane Marco. A Espinar Blair A. Foley Dino Longo Thomas Masters Thomas Peek Herbert Savage Peter Van Arsdale Staff Members Ed Riley Tom Bud Denny Baker, CDES Business Manager G. George Yilmaz, Utilities Division Edward Kant, Transportation Division Patrick White, Assistant County Attorney Leo Ochs Joe Schmitt Public Jeremy Giles, CBIA Page 1 Ralph Vanderbeek, EH&E Tom Walker, P.E. August 7, 2002 Page 2 August 7, 2002 Chairman Dino Longo asked if anything needed to be added to the agenda. He had an addendum from noble services asking for a non- voting member to sit on the advisory committee of the selection team for the new CD plus operating system. Chairman put this item on the agenda under new business. Chairman Dino Longo asked for the approval of agenda minutes and if there were any comments or discussions. All were in favor of the approval of minutes. Bob Saunders and Denny Baker presented a demonstration of the new wireless system for building inspections. Denny stated that the board approved this system in March of 2002. Panasonic lab tops were assigned to each. He stated that the benefits included that the inspector takes this system into the field and has the ability to download the inspections in morning from day before. The inspections are grouped together geographically, close to where the inspector lives, so it cuts down on driving time, so they can go straight to the job site. Productivity pick ups as well. Bob Sanders gave a quick walk through of this system and how it works. STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS Joe Schmitt will have a press release to go out August 8, 2002 about August 20th meeting about public private partnership of road impact fees at the Professional Development Academy. This workshop prior to the Sept. 6th workshop is to make a cooperative effort to develop and review impact fees. He stated that it will be on August 20th, from 9-4 will be looking at the social and economic impacts. He stated that they will review and will need to come up w/a proposal to raise impact fees, what the number will be and what's acceptable. Joe stated he wants to put everything out on the table and look at the alternative measures for raising income and for compensating impacts. He will need help, expertise, and cooperative effort. Chairman Dino Longo briefly spoke of reducing traffic in and out of Golden Gate Estates. Joe stated that they are fighting this problem. He stated that activity centers in golden gate need to be created in order to solve this issue. Joe stated there are three different groups involved, Page 3 August7,2002 those in the wilderness, those who want to turn estates into a planned community, and those looking for welfare of Golden Gate City. Need to recognize the three different groups. Peter Van Arsdale mentioned that one unresolved issue is the suitability of sources of income is based on the historical look at how we built and paid for our roads. He stated that this is a simple approach to the problem is that it's everyone who hasn't moved here yet, as he said growth pays for growth. Trying to come away from taxing it said that it comes down to taxes people are paying. Joe Schmitt spoke briefly on tourism tax. He says that the estimated 3 million dollars a year will not go very far. It the sales tax and the impact fees that make a difference. He stated that real estate transfer fees changing to tourism tax would not be until 2004, because of the approval process. Peter needs some validation on implementation of impact fees and whether it is correct. Joe Schmitt stated that the committee needs to form policy decisions as a group to go to the board for the community and the industry and the staff. Bring it forward and say this is what we support. Chairman Dino Longo says we need to look at the way we build roads, time frame for contractors, whether there are penalties for contractors, and so on. He feels there is a better way to do business. Joe stated that the September 6th meeting is to change. Ed Kant, Transportation Director, spoke about raising fees, specifically road right away permit fees. He gave a history on this topic. As of April 1 st of this year, transferred all the permit responsibility to transportation traffic, which includes permitting inspections, intersection improvements, and small designs of road improvement. At this point, he passed out a proposal and walked through the proposal. He stated he would be attending next meeting. Board has made it clear, that departments which are providing a specific service to pay for themselves, and the people that are the beneficiaries should be the ones to pay. He stated that he found out the costs exceeded the revenues. What was service providing. Ed stated that they are getting the intake evaluation review and processing of all right away permits including maintenance traffic maintenance plans, including field inspections, and residential driveways. There is a much offer much wider array of services. He stated they are using the same CD plus system, so they can track permits. He mentioned that this has been very successful. He gave some statistics. He stated that they average over 200 permits a month, Page 4 August 7, 2002 average 60-80 walk-ins a week, and 100 other inspections a month, 75% of which are the residential-bulk in the estates. He stated the biggest problem is the maintenance of traffic with the season coming up. With is trying to accomplish two basic tasks. First they want to make sure health and safety of public is protected, in terms of the inspection. The second is knowing the impact; they want to keep impact to an absolute minimum. Ed mentioned that everything stated today is still subject to county review. He reviewed permit prices, stating $125 fiat rate anywhere in county for anything. He went over pricing for other permits, open cut construction, and state highway permits, turn lane median construction fees, sprinkler fees. He mentioned the difference in what are paying now and what one would be paying in this proposal. HE mentioned the Increased residential very little, idea to get it right the first time. He mentioned besides jacking up permit fees, concerned with residential from commercial and small versus large. He encourages any after hour lane closures. Wants thoughts on it. He stated there are certain things that can be done at night and there are some things that are just not safe to do at this time. At this point not going to do that. If someone wants to request can do so. Ed stated that time frames are an issue and contractors will need to pay for extra days that are needed to work Road lane and lane use fee for high use roadways, no have problem with roads. He wants to incentivise the development community, builder and contractor to get in and get out. Chairman Dino Longo suggested to sub-committee to come back with some more information. Ed stated that he is anxious to get out more information. Check tape 1, side 2 agaunblair suggested of ob title and description for the adhoc committee, why do we need to have 6 people?????? OLD BUSINESS Chairman moved on to any old business. The first two items of discussion were the Fire Protection Ordinance and the fire plain restructuring fees. The chairman stated that he would need to spend at least a ½ hour to 45 minutes on each. Chairman Dino Longo moved on to the Utilities Division. George Yilmaz, from the Utilities Division, stated that he had no updates on waste water, but they are currently working on volunteer commercial recycling and they are working to set up meetings. Page 5 August 7, 2002 Chairman Dino Longo asked if there were nay comments or questions regarding Utility Sub-committee Utility Code meeting minutes. There were no comments or questions. Chairman referred to the old business of the enforcement of public swimming pool amendments. Tom Walker, Administrator from the County Health Department spoke in regards to this issue. He mentioned that on May 14th he presented the executive summary that is seen in minutes to the county commissioner. He recommended that the board authorize and amend the code of laws and ordinances. Tom stated he want to get rid of the exemptions that exist upon size and statute. He mentioned that the Board agreed to draft up language, and they were scheduled on September l0th to present the draft language. Chairman asked why it did not come back to the subcommittee after the original presentation. Tom stated that they decided it was in the best interest of the public to move forward and take this directly to the county manager's office and the county commissioners. He stated that based on the subcommittee recommendations from April, he looked at 20 of the exempt pools to see if there was a problem, and there was. Josh stated that on may 8th the committee agreed that he info would come back to them, they were bypassed again. He stated that there were 54 pages of typed written info that had valid comments that needed a response to. He wanted to know if this has already gone to board of county commissioner's why does the DSAC need to spend time on it. Chairman Dino Longo stated that what the county commission does is up to them, but the information needs to come to the subcommittee before it it was presented to the board. Patrick White, Assistant County Attorney stated that the only thing the board said was set and create regulations s and bring them back for approval. He stated that maybe they did not get the proper sequence of steps, but this is nothing intentional. The intention seems to be getting this information in front of the full committee. Herbert stated his side of the situation which was they shouldn't need inspections for the small pools if they have a service contract for them. Tom stated that the results had extreme amounts of bacteria, almost 50% have bacteria. Chairman Dino Longo stated that there is no Page 6 August 7, 2002 recommendation to be made at this committee today. He stated they should be here making that recommendation with the presentation so the full committee can decide. He also mentioned that all the committee was going to see was the end result, and not what the intentions are. Dalas Disney formed a motion that his issue be remanded to the sub committee. Tom Walker stated it is a public health issue w/over 300 public pools. And several have problems. He mentioned that there have been young kids in non-chlorinated pools who have died because of the bacteria. He also mentioned that 50% of pools looked at either had no chlorine or a very small amount. Dalas stated that he doesn't know whether we can or not. Stated that the question that seems to come out of the discussion is whether or not under the new Florida building code if there was even any authority for this to occur. Florida building code seems to supercede this and does not know a resolution. He stated that this problem presents itself as a health and safety issue, but there seems to be more issues than that. All were in favor of a motion to disregard the discussion at this time except for Tom Masters and Tom Peek. Chairman Dino Longo stated that on August 14th at 3:00p.m. the subcommittee will be discussing closing construction, Ed's agendas and health department agendas. At the August 21st meeting the committee will strictly discuss budget and other related issues. NEW BUSINESS Chairman Dino Longo mentioned LDDC cycle special meeting on October 2nd at 9:30 a.m. Joe Schmitt stated that they will combine the LDC cycle with the review of concurrency amendments. He also stated that this will be the first review of the LDC amendments. Chairman Dino Longo asked when do we vote on any new amendments and when do they go before the board. Joe responded that they would in December some time. Subcommittee is meeting September 4th and the DSAC meeting is October 2nd. There has been no notification on when the land code development meeting will be. Page 7 August 7, 2002 Chairman Dino Longo presented some resumes from Sue Filson. The resumes for review can make recommendations that will go throughout the board. Chairman Longo asked if there were any recommendations for this position. Charles Abbott recommended Bob Molher. Charlie made a motion to recommend Bob Molher to take the vacancy. Chairman Longo feels he is the most qualified to sit on the board. Joe Schmitt stated Bob would bring in a lot of information on rural lands and rural fringe. Tom Masters feels they should bring Bob Molher on, but also stated that the committee needs to recognize there is a shortage of an attorney. Chairman Longo stated that the DSAC does not have the authority to kick any one off the board but they do have the authority to make a recommendation to the county commission that they want to vacate a position. There was a discussion on vacating Tony's position. Denny says a better way to go about this is to talk to the individual and ask them to resign. If the member does not want to participate, then they need to resign to vacate the position. Patrick stated there is two ways to do so. He stated the first way is if there are two consecutive unsatisfactory excuses or if a recommendation is made to the board to have that position vacated. Patrick also stated that a member has tendered their resignation if they have missed more than half the meetings in one given year and if the board declares to have the position vacant. Chairman Longo stated he needs someone from staff to find the attendance record for Tony Pires. Herbert asks how the county commission breaks the job positions into categories and whether they are following anything when doing so. Dino stated that they have been limited to the number of people applying to start with or just putting a person in the vacant slot. He stated that the county commission has filled some by the DSAC's recommendations or just by filling the position another way. Patrick stated that there are 12-13 different types of jobs that are numerated for the purpose of this motion. He feels that Bob Molher would be in scope of a land planner. Chairman Longo stated he would contact Tony Pires and see where he stands. He stated that if he resigns between the time he talks to him and Page 8 August 7, 2002 the next meeting, he would put a public notice in, and look at the batch of resumes. Chairman Longo put forward a recommendation for Bob Molher to fill Perry Peoples position between now and the next full committee. All of the members were in favor of the recommendation. Chairman brought one more item to the new business, the idea of community development of environmental services embarking to select a vendor. In this process of selecting staff members to serve on selection team, it would be good to have a member from DSAC to sit on the committee as a non-voting member. Chairman Longo asked if there were any volunteers. Dalas Disney was recommended to take this position. Dalas asked how much time would be put forth and did this position really involve. Denny baker said that he was talking about a significant amount of time. He will need to evaluate the vendors ability to obtain a business, evaluate the credentials, the history by talking to customers, view products, and listening to various directors about what they like and dislike. Joe Schmitt stated he didn't want to put somebody in a position from the private sector, what looking for is a representative to make sure they are buying a product that meets the needs that this representative would like to see and needs and the needs of others. The aspects of the capability of business, leadership and management are also important ideas involved. The representative would supply a perspective or evaluation when client's come in and present what's going on. Joe Schmitt stated that selection is very open. May even have vendors present their system and what they envision and can create for the county. The committee needs representation that will provide the technical competency and capability of what's being evaluated and the product being presented. At this point, Chairman Longo asked if there were any volunteers for this committee. Dalas asked how long this committee met for, the time that was required. Denny stated it's about 4 months start to finish. Dalas stated he would be happy to volunteer to be the representative for this committee. Chairman Longo went over the time frame for the AdHoc committee. He stated that he needs to get this onto agenda so it can be reviewed before the next meeting on August 14th. At this next meeting he stated the committee needs to discuss swimming pool, fire impact fees, and the wireless systems. He stated that at the August 21st meeting the Page 9 August 7, 2002 committee will be looking at the 113th with the schedule already on the agenda. Herbert Savage made a motion to recommend Dalas Disney as the representative for the committee. Charlie Abbott seconds the motion. All were in favor of this recommendation. Chairman Dino Longo went around and asked if there any comments from the committee. Charlie complimented Ana on her job well done with electronically getting information through e-mail to the members. There were no comments from the rest of the staff. Ed Kant's presentation needs to be on the agenda for the August 21st AdHoc Committee meeting. Chairman Dino Longo adjourned the meeting at 5:10 p.m. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE DINO LONGO, CHAIRMAN Page 10