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PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD
Minutes
October 27, 1999
Cocohatchee River Park
2:00pm
PRESENT: John Grice,Vice Chairperson
Lisa Barnett
Edward"Ski" Olesky
Lindy D'Amico
Mary Ellen Rand
Charles McMahon
ABSENT: Gil Mueller
ALSO PRESENT: Bret Popma, East Naples Community Park
Mike Toolan, Park Ranger
STAFF PRESENT: Marla Ramsey, Director
Murdo Smith, Recreation Manager
James Fitzek, Operations Manager
John Walters, Park Superintendent
Joseph Delate, Project Manager
Rebecca Bird, Secretary II
I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 2:10pm
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
III. INVOCATION: John Grice
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: September 22, 1999
Motion by Lisa Barnett to approve September 22, 1999 minutes. Seconded
by Ski Olesky. Passed 5/0
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V. PRESENTATIONS Attitude Awards were given:
Bret Popma — Currently works at East Naples Community
Park as a Park Program Supervisor. Ms. Ramsey told the
board that several letters have been received from people
that have attended activities at East Naples Community
Park and have praised Bret for his good work.
Mike Toolan — Mike currently works as a Park Ranger.
Mike has gone well above the call of duty with his work in
the recent hurricanes.
John Grice recognized Charles McMahon and Mary Ellen Rand the new PARAB
Board members and welcomed them.
VI. WORKSHOP:
A. Lighthouse Bay:
At the June PARAB meeting James Wallace, a developer, came to the Board
to ask approval for a Beach Shuttle to drop off Lee County Condo residents at
the Lely Barefoot Beach Access.
Ms. Ramsey and Mr. Fitzek gave a PowerPoint presentation on the pro's and
con's of recommending this type of request. There were several concerns
among the Board as to safety, cost, added traffic, environmental issues,
limited parking and other requests for shuttle services, including public shuttle
access. The Board felt there should be some type of policy for"shuttle type
services", as others will probably come and ask for the same type of service.
There was discussion on trying the shuttle service for a short time frame (6
months)to see how it would work.
A motion was made by Lisa Barnett to deny this request, no second was
received. Motion dead.
The Board still felt strongly that if we allow one Condo to offer this type of
service others will seek permission also. This would increase the number of
"small buses" going in and out of the park. It would also take away from the
beauty of the natural resources that the beach offers, which is one of the few
"unspoiled"places that Collier County has.
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A motion was made by Lindy D'Amico to deny the request. Seconded by
Lisa Barnett.
Passed 5-1
A request was made by John Grice to find out who owns the land as you enter
the Lely Barefoot Beach development.
B. Dog Parks
There have been several requests to the Board to recommend approval for a"Dog
Park" in Collier County. Murdo did some research with other counties around
Florida and even visited a"Dog Park" in Venice, FL. He passed around pictures
of the park and talked about the concerns associated with a"Dog Park". There
was some general discussion on the expenses and if it would be more cost
effective to use one of our current parks versus building a new park. The
suggestions were Veterans Park, Conner Park, Palm Springs Park, Sugden Park or
land near Manatee Education Center. There would be rules and regulations
regarding the dogs being on a leash and voice command.
Motion was made by John Grice to select Palm Springs Park as a test park
for one year.
Seconded by Lisa Barnett.
There was discussion on the use of Palm Springs Park as some of the Board
members did not feel it was a good choice as a test site.
John Grice rescinded motion.
Motion made by Ski Olesky to have Veterans Park be the "Dog Park" for a
one-year test.
Seconded by Lisa Barnett
REVISED MOTION
Ski Olesky revised the original motion to say, to have a feasibility study at
Veterans Park for one year to see if a"Dog Park" could exist in Collier
I County.
Passed 5-1
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C. Launch Facility
Ms. Ramsey made a presentation on a joint venture with the City of Naples for a
canoe launch at the Gordon River Canoe Launch. Ms. Ramsey discussed pros and
cons and explained several of the benefits of keeping this a joint venture. The
Naples Rowing Club has expressed an interest in being involved in the site plan.
Motion was made by Lisa Barnett to continue the discussion with the City
and keep this as a Joint venture.
Seconded by John Grice.
Passed 4-0 (2 votes missing were Board members out of the room when the
vote was taken)
Due to the time the next agenda item, "Capital Projects FY 99/00"will be
moved to the December agenda.
D. Sailing Club
Ms. Ramsey spoke with the Principal of the Community School and they are
currently working on an arrangement with Naples Landing for storage of their
sailboats. The school did not send the group that came and spoke to the Board.
They came and spoke on their own behalf.
Motion made by Lisa Barnett to deny the request for storing the Community
School's sailboats at Caxambas.
Seconded by John Grice.
Passed 6-0.
E. Eagle Lakes Community Park
Joe Delate explained that the dedication is planned for Thursday November 4,
1999 at 3:00pm. The park is close to being finished. The fields should be ready in
about another month. The contractor is working on the punch list.
F. Croquet
Ms. Ramsey spoke about the group that made a presentation on a Croquet facility
at Pelican Bay. The Croquet court would require a full-time maintenance person.
The Croquet Club would require membership and the public would only be
allowed to use the courts when the Club Members are not using the courts.
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The Board felt that Parks and Recreation needs to establish a policy that address
"Specialty Parks". Different groups come and want a"specialty area" in a park.
Motion made by Ski Olesky to deny recommendation to approve Croquet
Facility at Pelican Bay.
Seconded by Linda D'Amico
Passed 6-0
REPORTS
A. Monthly Reports—Ms. Ramsey went over the August and September reports
with the Board members. Ms. Ramsey noted the parking counters on
Caxambas,Bayview and Cocohatchee are not working properly and so an
accurate count was not reported. She is looking into better counting machines.
B. Park projects—due to time limits; this will be discussed at next meeting.
C. BCC Recap—reviewed by PARAB Board.
D. Adopt-A-Park—Lisa Barnett will report at next meeting
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E. Meeting Schedule—Next meeting will be in Immokalee. Parks and
Recreation staff will be going in a County van. If anyone would like to
carpool,please arrive at the P/R Administration Building by 12:45 p.m. on
November 17, 1999.
Meeting Adjourned 4:50pm
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CITY OF NAPLES:
NEED A DATE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING
WITH PARAB AND CITY OF NAPLES TO
DISCUSS THE BOAT LAUNCH PROJECT
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
AUTHORIZE STAFF TO UTILIZE A PORTION OF VETERANS COMMUNITY PARK FOR A
PARK OPEN TO DOGS.
Objective: That the Board of County Commissioners authorize staff to utilize an existing unused portion of Veterans
Community Park for a dog park by Resolution No. 99_
Consideration: Parks and Recreation Advisory Board and Staff continue to receive numerous requests to offer a park
where owners may take their dogs to play. At the October 27, 1999 the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board voted to
make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners to use a small portion of Veterans Community Park as a
test site for a dog park. Park ordinance 76-48 as amended prohibits dogs and other animals in all parks including beach
areas except for County approved recreational special events.
Currently approximately three acres of Veterans Community Park is unused and unimproved. This portion of the park is
adjacent to Stone Bridge Golf Course, which is separated by an eight-foot high berm, therefore, noise levels would be
minimal. An existing parking lot separates the recommended area from the rest of the park facilities.
Improvements to this parcel would cost an estimated $15,000. This cost includes: fencing,water fountain, and mutt mitts
(a pet pollution disposal system). The daily maintenance would consist of mowing, emptying trash receptacles, and
periodically hosing park facilities and trees. This maintenance would be absorbed in the parks operating budget.
Growth Management:None.
Fiscal Impact: Funds are available in Fund 368 Reserves. A budget amendment will transfer funds from Naples &
Urban Collier Community Park Impact Fees (Fund 368 Reserves) into Parks Capital Projects, Veterans Community Park
Project Fund.
Recommendation: That the Board authorize the utilization of a portion of Veterans Community Park for a dog park on
a trial basis, approve the accompanying Resolution and authorize the budget amendment.
Prepared by: Date:
James Fitzek, Operations Manager
Department of Parks and Recreation
Reviewed and
Approved by: Date:
Marla Ramsey,Director
Department of Parks and Recreation
Reviewed and
Approved by: Date:
Thomas W. 011iff,Administrator
Division of Public Services
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EXHIBIT A
SECTION 3, Subsection 2
C. Additional Dog Related Activities Allowed at Veterans Park
Notwithstanding anything in these Rules to the contrary,whenever Veterans Park is
open to the general public, domesticated dogs under effective control of their
caretaker (by leash or oral command) are hereby allowed as follows:
1. The allowable dog related activities are dog walking,running, and Frisbee/ball
throwing and catching.
2. The authorized geographic area within Veterans Park is described as follows:
, "the overflow parking area and natural area south of the Community Center.
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PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD
Minutes
October 27, 1999
Cocohatchee River Park
2:00pm
PRESENT: John Grice, Vice Chairperson
Lisa Barnett
Edward"Ski" Olesky
Lindy D'Amico
Mary Ellen Rand
Charles McMahon
ABSENT: Gil Mueller
ALSO PRESENT: Bret Popma, East Naples Community Park
Mike Toolan, Park Ranger
STAFF PRESENT: Marla Ramsey, Director
Murdo Smith, Recreation Manager
James Fitzek, Operations Manager
John Walters, Park Superintendent
Joseph Delate, Project Manager
Rebecca Bird, Secretary II
I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 2:10pm
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
III. INVOCATION: John Grice
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: September 22, 1999
Motion by Lisa Barnett to approve September 22, 1999 minutes. Seconded
by Ski Olesky. Passed 5/0
410.
V. PRESENTATIONS Attitude Awards were given:
Bret Popma — Currently works at East Naples Community
Park as a Park Program Supervisor. Ms. Ramsey told the
board that several letters have been received from people
that have attended activities at East Naples Community
Park and have praised Bret for his good work.
Mike Toolan — Mike currently works as a Park Ranger.
Mike has gone well above the call of duty with his work in
the recent hurricanes.
John Grice recognized Charles McMahon and Mary Ellen Rand the new PARAB
Board members and welcomed them.
VI. WORKSHOP:
A. Lighthouse Bay:
At the June PARAB meeting James Wallace, a developer, came to the Board
to ask approval for a Beach Shuttle to drop off Lee County Condo residents at
the Lely Barefoot Beach Access.
Ms. Ramsey and Mr. Fitzek gave a PowerPoint presentation on the pro's and
con's of recommending this type of request. There were several concerns
among the Board as to safety, cost, added traffic, environmental issues,
limited parking and other requests for shuttle services, including public shuttle
access. The Board felt there should be some type of policy for"shuttle type
services", as others will probably come and ask for the same type of service.
There was discussion on trying the shuttle service for a short time frame (6
months)to see how it would work.
A motion was made by Lisa Barnett to deny this request, no second was
received. Motion dead.
The Board still felt strongly that if we allow one Condo to offer this type of
service others will seek permission also. This would increase the number of
"small buses" going in and out of the park. It would also take away from the
beauty of the natural resources that the beach offers, which is one of the few
"unspoiled" places that Collier County has.
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A motion was made by Lindy D'Amico to deny the request. Seconded by
Lisa Barnett.
Passed 5-1
A request was made by John Grice to find out who owns the land as you enter
the Lely Barefoot Beach development.
B. Dog Parks
There have been several requests to the Board to recommend approval for a"Dog
Park" in Collier County. Murdo did some research with other counties around
Florida and even visited a"Dog Park" in Venice, FL. He passed around pictures
of the park and talked about the concerns associated with a"Dog Park". There
was some general discussion on the expenses and if it would be more cost
effective to use one of our current parks versus building a new park. The
suggestions were Veterans Park, Conner Park, Palm Springs Park, Sugden Park or
land near Manatee Education Center. There would be rules and regulations
regarding the dogs being on a leash and voice command.
Motion was made by John Grice to select Palm Springs Park as a test park
for one year.
Seconded by Lisa Barnett.
There was discussion on the use of Palm Springs Park as some of the Board
members did not feel it was a good choice as a test site.
John Grice rescinded motion.
Motion made by Ski Olesky to have Veterans Park be the "Dog Park" for a
one-year test.
Seconded by Lisa Barnett
REVISED MOTION
Ski Olesky revised the original motion to say, to have a feasibility study at
Veterans Park for one year to see if a "Dog Park" could exist in Collier
County.
Passed 5-1
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C. Launch Facility
Ms. Ramsey made a presentation on a joint venture with the City of Naples for a
canoe launch at the Gordon River Canoe Launch. Ms. Ramsey discussed pros and
cons and explained several of the benefits of keeping this a joint venture. The
Naples Rowing Club has expressed an interest in being involved in the site plan.
Motion was made by Lisa Barnett to continue the discussion with the City
and keep this as a Joint venture.
Seconded by John Grice.
Passed 4-0 (2 votes missing were Board members out of the room when the
vote was taken)
Due to the time the next agenda item, "Capital Projects FY 99/00"will be
moved to the December agenda.
D. Sailing Club
Ms. Ramsey spoke with the Principal of the Community School and they are
currently working on an arrangement with Naples Landing for storage of their
sailboats. The school did not send the group that came and spoke to the Board.
They came and spoke on their own behalf.
Motion made by Lisa Barnett to deny the request for storing the Community
School's sailboats at Caxambas.
Seconded by John Grice.
Passed 6-0.
E. Eagle Lakes Community Park
Joe Delate explained that the dedication is planned for Thursday November 4,
1999 at 3:00pm. The park is close to being finished. The fields should be ready in
about another month. The contractor is working on the punch list.
F. Croquet
Ms. Ramsey spoke about the group that made a presentation on a Croquet facility
at Pelican Bay. The Croquet court would require a full-time maintenance person.
The Croquet Club would require membership and the public would only be
allowed to use the courts when the Club Members are not using the courts.
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The Board felt that Parks and Recreation needs to establish a policy that address
"Specialty Parks". Different groups come and want a"specialty area" in a park.
Motion made by Ski Olesky to deny recommendation to approve Croquet
Facility at Pelican Bay.
Seconded by Linda D'Amico
Passed 6-0
REPORTS
A. Monthly Reports—Ms. Ramsey went over the August and September reports
with the Board members. Ms. Ramsey noted the parking counters on
Caxambas, Bayview and Cocohatchee are not working properly and so an
accurate count was not reported. She is looking into better counting machines.
B. Park projects—due to time limits; this will be discussed at next meeting.
C. BCC Recap—reviewed by PARAB Board.
D. Adopt-A-Park—Lisa Barnett will report at next meeting
E. Meeting Schedule—Next meeting will be in Immokalee. Parks and
Recreation staff will be going in a County van. If anyone would like to
carpool, please arrive at the P/R Administration Building by 12:45 p.m. on
November 17, 1999.
Meeting Adjourned 4:50pm
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James D.Carter, Ph.D. OifR,
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Timothy J.Constantine October 27, 1999
District 3
Pamela S.Mac'Kie
District 4
Barbara B. Berry
District 5
Mr. Charles M. McMahon, Sr.
4416 27th Court, S.W.
Naples, FL 34116
Subject: Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Dear Mr. McMahon:
While convened in regular session on October 26, 1999,the Board of County Commissioners voted to
appoint you as a regular member on the above-referenced advisory committee. Your appointment will
expire on December 31, 2003, or at such time as the Board re-appoints you or appoints your successor.
As with any advisory group,the primary purpose is to assist and advise the Board of County
Commissioners. By law, however, the ultimate decisions rest with the Commission. At times, the
Commission's decisions may not reflect the recommendation of the advisory group because many facts
must be taken into consideration.
By copy of this letter, we are requesting Marla Ramsey, Parks and Recreation Director,to provide you
with any additional information you will need as a member of this committee.
On behalf of the Board of County Commissioners, I wish to extend our appreciation to you for your
willingness to serve the residents of Collier County as a member of this advisory board.
Very ly yours,
Pamela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman
Commissioner, District 4
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District 1
James D. Carter, Ph.D. s*
District 2
Timothy J.Constantine
District 3
Pamela S.Mac'Kie October 27, 1999
District 4
Barbara B. Berry
District 5
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Ms. Mary Ellen Rand
550 110th Avenue,N.
Naples, FL 34108
Subject: Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Dear Ms. Rand:
While convened in regular session on October 26, 1999, the Board of County Commissioners voted to
appoint you as a regular member on the above-referenced advisory committee. Your appointment will
expire on December 31, 2001, or at such time as the Board re-appoints you or appoints your successor.
As with any advisory group,the primary purpose is to assist and advise the Board of County
Commissioners. By law, however, the ultimate decisions rest with the Commission. At times, the
Commission's decisions may not reflect the recommendation of the advisory group because many facts
must be taken into consideration.
By copy of this letter, we are requesting Marla Ramsey, Parks and Recreation Director, to provide you
with any additional information you will need as a member of this committee.
On behalf of the Board of County Commissioners, I wish to extend our appreciation to you for your
willingness to serve the residents of Collier County as a member of this advisory board.
Very tri ours,
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Pamela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman
Commissioner, District 4
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3301 East Tamiami Trail•Naples, Florida 341124977
John C. Norris (941)774-8097•Fax(941)774-3602 ;,,,,
District 1
James D. Carter, Ph.D. i' 0‘
District 2
Timothy J.Constantine October 27, 1999
District 3
Pamela S.Mac'Kie
District 4
Barbara B. Berry
District 5
Mr. Samuel E. Welborn
815 Nursery Lane
Naples, FL 34119
Subject: Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Dear Mr. Welborn:
While convened in regular session on October 26, 1999, the Board of County Commissioners
considered the applications for positions on the subject advisory board. At that time, the
Commission appointed Mary Ellen Rand and Charles M. McMahon, Sr.
Although the Board did not appoint you to this advisory group, we wish to express our gratitude
to you for permitting your name to be submitted for consideration. Your willingness to serve the
residents of Collier County is appreciated.
Very truly yours,
of
Pa 1 ela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman
Commissioner, District 4
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3301 East Tamiami Trail•Naples, Florida 34112-4977 •
John C. Norris (941)774-8097•Fax(941)774-3602
District 1
James D.Carter,Ph.D.
District 2 June 23, 1999
Timothy J. Constantine
District 3
Pamela S.Mac'Kie
District 4
Barbara B. Berry
District 5
Ms. Lindy D'Amico
1303 Solano Road
Naples, FL 34103
Subject: Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Dear Ms. D'Amico:
While convened in regular session on June 22, 1999, the Board of County Commissioners voted
to appoint you as a regular member on the above-referenced advisory committee. Your
appointment will expire on December 31, 2002, or at such time as the Board re-appoints you or
appoints your successor.
As with any advisory group, the primary purpose is to assist and advise the Board of County
Commissioners. By law, however, the ultimate decisions rest with the Commission. At times,
the Commission's decisions may not reflect the recommendation of the advisory group because
many facts must be taken into consideration.
By copy of this letter, we are requesting Marla Ramsey, Parks and Recreation Director, to
provide you with any additional information you will need as a member of this committee.
On behalf of the Board of County Commissioners, I wish to extend our appreciation to you for
your willingness to serve the residents of Collier County as a member of this advisory board.
Very truly yours,
p . , -
Pamela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman
Commissioner, District 4
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