CCPC Minutes 06/06/2002 RCollier County Planning Commission
County Commissioners Boardroom
Building F, 3ra Floor
3301 Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34104
MINUTES
June 6, 2002
Chairmen Kenneth Abernathy called meeting to order at 8:30 A.M.
ATTENDANCE
Commission Members: Kenneth Abemathy, Russell A. Budd, Mark Strain, Paul
Midney, David Wolfley, Frank Fry, Lindy Adelstein
Collier County: Joe Schmitt, Stan Litsinger, Marjorie Student
Others: Robert Mulhere, Bill Lorenz, David Weeks, Norman Feeder, Donald Scott,
John L. Cowan, Donald Pickworth, Ty Agoston, Rich Yuvanovich, Esperaza Aunero,
Suzette Morales, Arlain and Yolanda Fuentes, Don Lester, John G. Vega, Ernie Cox, Ken
Cuyler, Mary Stamatinos, Lynda Hittinger, Karol Montalto, Gary Davis, Brad Comell,
Tim Hancock, Bruce Anderson, Robert Duane, Milly Haylock, Nancy Payton, Tom Doty,
Ron Talone, Tom Conrecode, Reed Jarvi, David Ellis, Rob Palmer, A1 Zichella
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
III.
ROLL CALL BY CLERK
Kenneth Abemathy called the roll.
attendance.
Lora Jean Young and Dwight Richardson were not in
IV.
ADDENDA TO THE AGENDA
Mr. Abernathy asked if there were any addenda to the agenda. Mr. Schmitt answered
there was nothing to add and noted they had a very busy schedule. The schedule is 1)
Rural Fringe amendment, 2) moratorium ordinance, and 3) growth management plan
amendment for concurrency. He felt that there was a lot of misinformation regarding the
Rural Fringe amendment. He stated the ROMA and its' impact to the Golden Gate
Estates area has nothing to do with the Rural Fringe amendment and it would not be
discussed today.
Mark Strain stated that they have yet to receive the amendments to be discussed at the
Monday meeting and he doesn't feel it is appropriate to be given such short notice. Mr.
Schmitt stated the packets are being prepared and asked if he wanted to reschedule for
VI.
VII.
VIII.
IX.
those issues. Mr. Strain stated that he received his packet, but the ULDC amendment had
been omitted. Marjorie Student stated that if they reschedule, there would probably not
be enough time to readvertise before June 19th, SO they would not make this cycle. Mr.
Schmitt added that there was only one issue being sent separately, then Mr. Strain didn't
have a problem. Mr. Abemathy stated they would go forward as scheduled and decide on
Monday what they have time to hear.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - APRIL 18, 2002
Mr. Abernathy asked for approval of the minutes for April 18, 2002. Mr. Strain stated he
had a correction on page 12. Russell Budd motioned to approve the minutes, Mr.
Adelstein seconded. Passed unanimously.
PLANNING COMMISSION ABSENCES
Mr. Abernathy asked for absences on June 10, 2002 and there were none. For June 20,
Mr. Midney will be absent.
BCC REPORT - RECAPS FROM MAY 14, 2002
There were no comments regarding the recap from May 14, 2002.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT
There was no Chairman's Report.
ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
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RURAL FRINGE ADOPTION HEARING
Kenneth Abemathy asked what was the methodology for discussing the Rural Fringe
Amendment.
Bob Mulhere - RWA, Inc.
Mr. Mulhere stated that there had been public inputs on this issue and the state and all
appropriate agencies had reviewed the amendment. He felt they should cover the
objections, recommendations, and comments report from the DCA. He stated that he
did not want to hinder the public's right to speak on this issue. Mr. Abemathy wanted
to address the letter from the Conservancy to see if they still agree since some of the
requirements were loosened by the BCC.
Mr. Mulhere stated that in the ORC report, an objection that is not addressed could be
a basis for non-compliance where a comment could not. The EAC made a motion to
forward the amendments with three conditions. He said they would be using three
documents; the staff report, the Errata handout and the FLUE, CCME, or Sewer and
Water sub-elements.
Page 4 (of the Staff Report) - There was an objection to the provision for density
blending. The DCA was concerned with providing additional data analysis to
indicate where density blending may be utilized and for the county to identify what
projects they know are under unified control and may be eligible. Mr. Mulhere stated
the two provisions where density blending may be utilized. They have prepared a
map to show projects under unified control and they have asked the property owners
to provide any environmental data that they had. He pointed out the sections eligible
for density blending on the visualizer. There were a total of 7-½ eligible sections. He
believed that this process can be very beneficial from an environmental prospective.
Mr. Abernathy noted that the class is open until June 22nd. Mr. Mulhere stated this
was true, but there are some limitations. Mark Strain questioned the boundaries of
the Marisol PUD. Mr. Mulhere stated it is just outside the activity center of
Immokalee Road and CR951.
Page 5 - This was concerning agricultural/rural land use designation. There was a
recommendation to revise the plan to define and specify the intensity standards and
development controls that will be applicable to commercial and industrial uses within
the ag/rural land use designation. They have modified this language to specify
exactly which districts and sub-districts allow commercial and industrial uses. There
was also an issue raised over the commercial node at SR29 and US41. They had
proposed to create a 1 O-acre five on each side, but upon examination, they agreed
with the DCA and took out the SE quadrant and limited the SW to the 2.5 acres called
for in the plan.
Page 7 - This concerned the TDR rate and there was an objection to the board
adjusting the TDR rate without a comprehensive plan amendment. They have
changed the language to require a comprehensive plan amendment if the rate is
changed for TDRs.
#5 - This dealt with the Coastal High Hazard Area extending to south of US41. The
DCA was concerned that since it is a Receiving area, the density could be increased.
The staff wasn't concerned with that because most of the area is already zoned or in
development. Mr. Abernathy questioned if it was east of CR951 and it was decided
the area was south of US41 and east of CR951. They have changed the designation
to Neutral.
#6a - The DCA had concerns over the locational restrictions on Rural Villages, on
page 65 in the FLUE. They have added additional locational restrictions. They
changed language that a royal village shall not be located any further than 3 miles
from another Rural Village. They indicated that no more than one Rural Village may
be located in each of the distinct Receiving areas depicted on the future land use map.
Also, a Rural Village shall have direct access to a roadway classified as an arterial or
collector. Rural Villages should be located where potable water and other sewer
facilities already exist or are planned.
#6b - This dealt with a greater definition of character of Rural Villages.
#6c - This concerned the public facilities impact analysis in support of a Rural
Village. On page 1, #2.1 of the Errata, they've amended their plan to include a
statement of fiscal neutrality. They have strengthened language that the analysis has
to demonstrate that the cost of providing these necessary facilities will be Neutral.
Item #2.2 of the Errata stated that there would be no degradation to the adopted level
of service for public facilities and infrastructure identified in the Errata.
#6d - This discussed Rural Villages allowing mixed uses including residential,
commercial, institutional, etc. In the FLUE on page 67, they have provided specific
language to address this comment. They identified the maximum size of the
neighborhood centers, the neighborhood center commercial, the village center, the
village center commercial, and the research and technology part as well as civil uses
and public parks (#9 in the Errata).
On page 64, they recommended there be a greater definition of what the county
expected to see. They have placed additional language to develop a good Rural
Village concept.
Page 8 - The DCA gave three options on how to handle their comments relative to
Rural Villages. The staff chose the third option.
Page 10 - Item #7 dealt with residential uses in the Conservation designation. The
recommendation was to revise the plan to clearly specify the uses allowed in the
Conservation designation consistent with the need to protect natural resources; the
county should establish that publicly owned Conservation lands would have zero
density. They had no problem with this and have amended the plan accordingly.
Page 11 - Item #8 dealt with natural resources protection areas. The DCA's
comment was to revise the amendment to include the permitted types of uses,
development controls, and environmental protection standards that will apply to the
natural resource protection areas irrespective of their location. They have provided
for these standards under the Sending designation. They also added the appropriate
language in the NRPA overlay portion (page 79 of FLUE).
In the Errata on page 5, #7.4 was amended. They raised issues about lands that were
designated rural/agricultural, were not in the Rural Fringe Mixed Use District but
were within a NRPA. They wanted the county to change and further regulate the land
uses on those lands. The staff was concerned that if they followed the DCA's
recommendations, they would be taking away the owner's property rights without
compensation. They told the DCA they would identify these lands. Mr. Mulhere
identified the "hole-in-the-donut" and the Panther Island Mitigation Bank areas on the
Future Land Use map. When this is applied, the whole area will be designated
Conservation.
Mr. Adelstein questioned about #8 on page 11, where it stated that Sending lands will
receive 80% onsite preservation with 25% requirement may be met offsite. Mr.
Mulhere stated that the DCA's concern was with the identification of permitted uses
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and also the issue of those lands that are outside NRPAs. Mr. Adelstein stated that
his concern was that it seemed as though they would preserve 55% of the actual land.
Bill Lorenz - Natural Resources Director
Mr. Lorenz answered that they will allow the property owner to mitigate up to 25% of
that requirement offsite, but they are required to mitigate at a ratio of 3 to 1 and they
have to be contiguous to other Sending lands. This is policy #6 on page 25 of the
CCME.
Mr. Mulhere stated that was the conclusion of the DCA's objections. They also had
some comments.
Page 11 - There was a correction changing "Receiving lands" to "Sending lands".
The DCA suggested that they needed to reexamine the organization of the plan within
the ag/rural designation, under which several sub-categories exist. The staff concurs
with the DCA that it needs to be reexamined, but they informed that now is not the
time, but it may be more appropriate in 2004 with the required evaluation and
appraisal reporting period. They also raised an issue for reexamination because some
uses, for example industrial, seem inconsistent. He felt there was a misunderstanding
that the ag/rural designation only applied to two existing areas.
Page 12 - Item #3 stated that the plan requires greenbelts around Rural Villages, but
allows golf courses in greenbelts. The DCA felt this may defeat the purpose of
greenbelts and believed golf courses may be more suitable in Urban areas. Mr.
Mulhere disagreed and stated that they only allow golf courses in Receiving areas,
which have the least environmental value. He stated that the purpose was to not have
the greenbelt be utilized for any type of vertical development. The greenbelts are
proposed to be in Receiving lands and golf courses are permitted in Receiving lands.
The staff saw no reason why golf courses should not be allowed. They did make two
changes on page 66, they changed "greenbelts shall only be designated on Receiving
lands" and that "golf course turf areas shall first be located in areas within the
greenbelt that are already cleared or otherwise disturbed".
Mr. Abemathy asked if there was required to be 500-foot greenbelt around the
perimeter of the Rural Village. Mr. Mulhere noted the minimum is 300 feet. Mr.
Abernathy questioned if there was an assurance this was going to be a cleared or
disturbed area, and Mr. Mulhere said there wasn't, but there is a preservation
requirement in Receiving of 40%. Mr. Abernathy was concerned about buildings
place around the perimeter of the golf course, which is allowed. Mr. Mulhere noted it
would be at the controlled density, which is a lower density. He stated the question
was whether golf courses should be appropriate within a greenbelt. He added that the
EAC and the DCA both objected. Mr. Abernathy stated he was leaning that way.
Paul Midney pointed out that golf courses are not allowed in the Conservation areas
in the Rural Fringe, but they are allowed in the Conservation areas in the eastern
lands.
Mr. Strain asked if they could compromise by saying that a golf course could not at
any time get closer than 200 feet to the buffer that's a non-Receiving area, this would
maintain the natural vegetation in the buffer and discourage the development of
houses. Also, he suggested they take out the word "first" to alleviate a lot of the
destruction of natural vegetation. Mr. Mulhere agreed.
//4 - There was an inconsistency that has been corrected.
#5 - They enhanced the description of Rural Village and design components.
#6 - This indicated that rock-mining activities are proposed to be expanded in North
Belle Meade. The concern was that with this expansion, there would be an increase
in truck traffic and they recommended alternate routes for this truck traffic. Mr.
Mulhere stated that the staff was not recommending any change. This issue was to be
discussed later in the meeting.
Page 13 - This dealt with the density bonus for additional native vegetation. It was
recommended that an amount should be stated in the plan. They have removed the
density bonus from the CCME and placed it in the FLUE and have calculated a
scenario that should address this concern.
#2 - It appeared the intent of policy 6.2.5 was to achieve no net loss of wetlands,
however according to the FWC, the wetland functionality assessment method which
the county intends to utilize has the potential to result in less wetland mitigation than
destroyed. Mr. Abernathy suggested it state "...wetland mitigation than could be
destroyed". Bill Lorenz stated that this has the potential to occur, so the county needs
to look at it on an area basis. There could be cases where you have mitigation on an
acreage basis that is less than is actually impacted. They suggested a change on page
32 of the CCME that states within the Rural Fringe district, any mitigation to occur
should at least have an acreage per acreage basis. Lindy Adelstein said that there was
a potential to lose wetlands and asked if this change would prevent that from
happening. Mr. Lorenz stated that on page 32 of the CCME, the language they are
suggesting would say the acreage proposed for mitigation be less than the acreage
being impacted.
#3 - This concerned the use of deed restrictions to protect preservation areas. Staff
was recommending to remove the reference to deed restrictions and to make sure
there are conservation easements that are separately platted, on page 34. Mr.
Adelstein asked if Mr. Lorenz's office would track this and make sure it happened,
and Mr. Lorenz agreed.
//4 - This concerned the addition of road underpasses for wildlife corridors and it has
been added to the CCME in policies 6.5.2 and 7.1.2.
#5 - This stated it may be appropriate for the county to require federal/state agency
review and approval for all listed species, wading bird rookeries, and shorebird
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nesting areas. They do have policy 7.1.3 that requires all developments shall comply
with applicable federal/state permitting, and together with all other guidelines, Mr.
Lorenz felt would adequately covered the comment from the Game Commission.
#6 - This comment was to ensure they have wildlife guidelines for management plans
for wood storks, kestrels, and white ibis. The wood storks are listed in the multi-
species recovery plan. They just received a technical report for kestrels and they can
recommend the kestrel technical review document. For white ibises, there are no
guidelines, but if there were technical guidelines brought forward, they would
definitely recommend it to be added. Also, they have added language that mitigation
for black bear habitat shall be considered in the plan, yet there are no specifics.
Page 14 - This issue dealt with the public facilities element. The recommendation
was to revise policy 1.5.3 to clarify its' intent regarding the provision of potable water
and sewer services in Receiving areas. They recommended that those types of
facilities should only be permitted in areas where the county has existing or planned
infrastructure. They have modified these provisions to make it clearer.
SSI - There have been revisions to policy 1.2 to clarify exactly where the provisions
are applicable by name and map reference. They also clarified 1.4, which dealt with
package sewage treatment plants.
SS6 - There were revisions made to clarify issues in the water sub-element.
Mr. Mulhere stated that they were now to changes other than those identified in the
ORC, based on staff review or board direction.
Page 15 - It was requested to add back to the FLUE the existing rural/industrial sub-
district on the north side of US41 that was left out of the plan. There was also an
issue raised about an area that was designated a secondary Sending area. Mr.
Mulhere stated they did not feel there was any real development potential. The
owner's recommendation was to either make the land primary Sending or return it to
ag/rural. They have changed it back to ag/rural and the DCA was comfortable with
that.
There was an issue to modify the residential infill density bonus within the density
rating system to require the utilization of TDRs for the first dwelling unit bonus and
provide for administrative approval of such. The board's direction was to allow for
transfer of development rights from the Sending lands into the Urban area for projects
that qualify for residential infill. The size has been increased from 10 acres to 20
acres. Under the residential infill provision, projects that qualify may ask for up to
three additional units from their base density. The first of the three needed to still
come from the transfer process.
Mr. Strain asked if there was a chance to provide incentive for workforce housing and
he recommended that language to be added to link the use of the first TDR in the
Urban infill area to be used for workforce housing.
They suggested adding a note to the rural transition water and sewer district map
stating the location of lines on the map connecting to various services are conceptual,
they may change with certain circumstances. There was a suggestion to add
exemption text in the FLUE and CCME to recognize rezoning contingent conditional
use petitions approved prior to June 18, 2002 for projects allowed by Final Order and
not allowed by these amendments. On page 68 of the FLUE, #4 there was a specific
revision stating that existing uses shall include those uses for which all required
permits were issued, or projects for which a conditional use or rezone petition has
been approved by the county prior to June 18, 2002. There may be some comments
regarding this issue later in the meeting.
The next issue concerned the countywide wetland and wildlife protection policies.
The board had directed some language to be removed from the transmittal package
because there was some question to how the amendments were advertised, but they
have corrected this problem and the standards have been put back in.
Bill Lorenz noted that on page 22 of the CCME of policy 6.1.1 are the vegetation and
preservation standards, and native vegetation retention standards exclude single-
family dwellings. There is a 35% vegetation retention standard for golf courses
outside the Rural Fringe and a 50% retention standard for industrial areas in the rural
lands.
On page 34, they addressed policy 2.6.4, which allows for recognition that the federal
and state permitting standards will apply, except in the Immokalee wetland system.
Objective 6.3 addressed submerged and marine habitats, which gave more specificity
to the standards and included manatees and sea turtles.
Mr. Lorenz mentioned that the interim status for south Golden Gate Estates will be
removed and it will be given a permanent natural resource protection area status.
In policy 6.1.6, the language was changed to state that 2.5% of a ponds area is a
literal shelf. Mr. Abemathy asked what was the purpose of this requirement. Mr.
Lorenz stated that without a literal shelf you would lose some habitat. Mr. Abernathy
questioned why it had been reduced to 2.5% and Mr. Lorenz clarified that it is 2.5%
of the pond's area rather than 10% of the shoreline.
Mr. Mulhere noted that the board requested the staff to contact Dr. Nicholas and
asked him to make recommendations on perhaps variable TDR rates or increase in
TDRs based on location proximity or value of certain properties.
Stan Litsinger - Comprehensive Planning
Mr. Litsinger summarized Dr. Nicholas' letter and conversations. They had wanted
to see the feasibility on having something other than a one to one TDR transfer rate'
from Sending to Receiving. Dr. Nicholas came to the conclusion that there are
hundreds of possible ratios or supplemental transfer programs that the board can
adopt. He provided a rational supplemental transfer rate based on established land
values in each section based on most recent sales and combination of tax assessments
as a good common sense "what if' scenario. The result would allow for an additional
5,000 TDRs to be generated. Mr. Abernathy stated that if you double the number of
units, then you would devalue the property in the Sending areas. Mr. Litsinger
agreed, unless you do a corresponding increase in the potential Receiving areas. Mr.
Litsinger noted that if the board implements the TDR program, it can be modified and
must be reviewed every year. Mr. Abernathy asked what would happen if they took
out the TDR program, and Mr. Litsinger responded they would be left with the basic
regulatory structure that was designed to protect natural resources.
Mr. Mulhere informed that the EAC had voted on the proposed amendments to the
Growth Management Plan for the Rural Fringe areas. The vote failed three to two on
the motion that stated the proposed changes to the transmittal subject to the following
conditions: 1) golf courses not be allowed in greenbelts, 2) agricultural uses be more
restricted after a property owner uses the TDR program, and 3) delete the uses of
sewer lines and lift stations from Conservation Designated Lands, Sending Lands,
and NRPAs. He felt the two members of the EAC who voted against the motion were
due to conditions within the motion that they could not agree to, rather than a lack of
support for the adoption of the amendments.
Mr. Abernathy wondered if the 2nd portion of the motion was one of the
conservancy's items. Mr. Mulhere stated that the primary issue was that agriculture
could continue after the TDRs have been sent from Sending lands to the extent that
previously existed.
Bob Mulhere explained that third part of the motion was concerning that the plan
allows under a conditional use for water transmission and sewer collection lines to
potentially run through Conservation lands and Sending lands. Mr. Mulhere
described the process of directional bore. Mr. Strain stated that they are not designed
for this long of a run. He noted that water and sewer lines are always along access
ways and roadways. He suggested that if they limit this to right-of-ways or access
ways in Conservation lands, then they are not really disturbing any more of the
Conservation lands. Mr. Mulhere felt this was an excellent suggestion. Mr.
Abernathy questioned what would happen if there weren't any through roadways.
Mr. Mulhere stated that the concern was not over water lines, but the damage that
would be caused if there were a problem with a sewer line.
Mr. Mulhere mentioned the issue on the allowance of the restriction of gas and oil
exploration and extraction, restricting it to a conditional use.
(There was a fifteen-minute recess)
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Public Speakers
Mr. Abernathy called the meeting in session at 10:30 A.M. He said that they would
now hear the public speakers on this issue and notified them that they had five
minutes, unless they were part of a group, then they could have ten minutes.
John Cowan - Mr. Cowan informed that he is a major owner of land in section 24,
but he is not a developer. He has been buying land in section 24 for the past 9 years
with the plan to build a ranch condominium, and he now owns 100-acres. Mr. Cowan
wanted his 5-acre zoning density and was assured he would have this by the planning
department. The section went to the board as Receiving lands, but section 24, except
for the school, was changed to Sending lands. He claimed that with this change, he
has lost over $700,000 value in his property. The board had changed the designation
due to the protection of lands for the Red-Cockaded Woodpeckers. He has hired
several companies to do studies and there has been no evidence of Red-Cockaded
Woodpeckers, nests, or cavities. He requested that the Planning Commission
recommend to the board to change the land in section 24 to Neutral or Receiving.
Mr. Strain questioned where Mr. Cowan's property was located. This was shown on
the map. Mr. Strain stated his understanding was that if you don't use the TDRs you
still retain the right of building 1 per 5 on that property. Mr. Mulhere explained that
they can still transfer at a rate of 1 per 5; however, the right to build was changed to 1
unit per 40 acres in the Sending lands, rather than 1 per parcel. He stated that the
staff had recommended that they return the land to Neutral, but the board wanted to
first have a study done by the county, and if there were no evidence of woodpeckers,
then they would reconsider. He stated there is a provision in the plan for any non-
conforming lot that existed before the adoption date; they are permitted to have a
dwelling unit, even if the lot is less than 40 acres.
Don Pickworth - Attorney representing John Cowan and Tom Buckley
Mr. Pickworth stated that all the property in question were in place before the cut-off
date. He noted that the school board area is designated as Neutral, but it has the same
habitat as the other properties is section 24. He also noted that there were 1,500 acres
in North Belle Meade with similar habitat that is designated as Receiving. So, if the
rationale for this is habitat, then why are they not all designated the same. Mr.
Pickworth believed the TDR concept would not work on this property because they
won't compensate even the purchase price, nonetheless, the value of the property.
Mr. Pickworth recommended that the commission recommend to the board that
section 24 be returned to Receiving land, or at least Neutral.
Mr. Abernathy asked if Mr. Pickworth was alleging this was a staff-generated change
rather than a board-generated change. Mr. Pickworth stated that he felt the school
board had a large influence over the decision. Mr. Strain commented that at the last
meeting, they did not have any problems with this section remaining Receiving lands.
Mr. Mulhere noted that this was a change made by the board when they gained
information on the Red-Cockaded Woodpeckers. The staff still recommended to the
board that the land be designated Neutral. Mr. Strain was concerned because this
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issue had never been presented to them. Mr. Pickworth felt there was an inequity that
the property owner's in section 24 have to prove the non-existence of woodpecker
habitat, but others in North Belle Meade with the same habitat do not. He stated that
giving the land a Neutral designation was a reasonable compromise.
Frank Fry questioned whether the reason for this change by the board was due to the
woodpeckers or for other reasons. Mr. Mulhere believed that the board felt there was
sufficient data and public comment presented at their meeting to keep the lands as a
Sending area, then go out and do a study and they would change it if it was
wan'anted. Mr. Fry had trouble with a situation where an individual had gathered
land under the existing rules, and then at the end, telling him he doesn't come under
the new rules and regulations. Mr. Fry felt the woodpecker could share the land
under the 1 residence per 5-acre designation. Mr. Mulhere added it would be with a
60% preservation rate. Mr. Strain questioned how the board "left" it as a Sending
area when it left the Planning Commission as a Receiving area. Mr. Mulhere that he
misspoke, they were to designate it as Sending. Mr. Strain asked if the board as
aware that the Planning Commission had not approved that map with the designation
of Sending for section 24. Mr. Mulhere stated that it was clear and there was
significant discussion about it.
Ty Agoston - Former member of the Rural Fringe Advisory Committee
Mr. Agoston was concerned that the recommendation on commercial space in Rural
Villages is contradictory to business sustainability. He stated he did not see a lot of
protection for district 5. Mr. Agoston felt that a 10,000 sq. ft. restriction for a store
would not be sufficient. Mr. Abemathy questioned what was the Rural Village retail
element. Mr. Agoston read "commercial intensity should not exceed 10,000 sq. ft. of
gross leasable area". He stated that those numbers would be for a mom and pop type
operation, which have prices that are twice as high. Mr. Mulhere clarified that the
commercial intensity should not exceed 10,000 sq. ft. of gross leasable area of floor
areaper acre. He calculated that there would be 450,000 sq. ft. of commercial that is
permitted in a Rural Village.
Richard Yuvanovich - Attorney representing Wally Lewis and some property
owners in the Sending area
Mr. Yuvanovich was under the impression that the area would be transmitted as
Urban Industrial, but staff transmitted it as Rural Industrial. He believed that the
property is in a location that is more conducive to the higher tech industrial uses. He
requested it to be reclassified as Urban Industrial. Mr. Strain asked if an Urban
Industrial is less intensive than Rural Industrial. Mr. Yuvanovich agreed.
Mr. Yuvanovich was also concerned with density blending provisions for the Sending
area. He suggested they increase the project size from 80 acres to 400 acres, which
will reduce the number of projects eligible for density blending. He worked with the
Florida Wildlife Federation, the Collier County Audubon, and staff to come up with
these and they were able to reach a consensus on what would be appropriate density
blending provisions in the Sending areas. He also had some issues on the
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conservation element in the Rural-Mixed Fringe District. He questioned why the
county is becoming the primary permitting agent in this area. He pointed out goal 13
in the CCME, which states, "County shall avoid unnecessary duplication of existing
regulatory programs". He read policy 13.1.3 from the Growth Management Plan.
Mr. Strain pointed out policy 13.1.2 that says, "County may adopt regulations to
strengthen certain programs". Mr. Yuvanovich felt there was an internal
inconsistency in the Growth Management plan, but Mr. Strain felt that the Governor
would not have put out his Final Order if things had been working. Mr. Yuvanovich
suggested they needed to come up with a definition of unified control for density
blending, stating that either you own it or have a contract to purchase it before the
adoption of the changes.
Mr. Mulhere stated that the staff had no objections on the density blending
recommendations. Mr. Strain asked what the purpose of going from 80 acres to 400
acres. Mr. Mulhere answered that the language he was referring to was that you do
not need to count restored wetlands toward your maximum preservation requirement.
Mr. Yuvanovich explained that the in the ORC, there were some concerns raised over
having too large of an area eligible for density blending. He felt that by increasing
the requirement for project size, this would address their concern over having too
many eligible projects. Mr. Strain asked if this would have any negative effects. Mr.
Mulhere stated it would not. Mr. Strain asked if there were any concerns over Mr.
Yuvanovich's request to change from Rural Industrial to Urban Industrial.
David Weeks - Comprehensive Planning Staff
Mr. Weeks stated that the Rural Industrial allows for fewer uses than the Urban
Industrial, but the most intensive uses appear in both districts. The difference is that
the Urban Industrial also lists some lower intensity uses. Staff had no objection to
taking the missing lower intensity uses from the Urban into the Rural Industrial
district. Mr. Abernathy asked why it could not be changed to Urban Industrial. Mr.
Weeks stated the county is consistent with not expanding the Urban boundary. He
also stated that if they changed it to Urban, they would need to provide sufficient
data. Mr. Abemathy asked if Mr. Yuvanovich would be comfortable with having a
rural status with engrafting. Mr. Yuvanovich said they are not satisfied. He stated
that they would provide data and have provided a Red-Cockaded Woodpecker study.
He stated the problem is with the preservation requirement; in the Urban area it is
15%, in the rural it is 50%. He suggested that they could live with a preservation
requirement of 50% not to exceed 25% of the site. Mr. Strain stated he would not
suggest moving the Urban boundary line for this project. Mr. Mulhere added that if
they change this designation, they would open the door to raise a non-compliance
issue. But, he believed it would be appropriate to suggest 50% not to exceed 25%.
Esperaza Aunero - Ms. Aunero asked for an interpreter, and Suzette Morales
provided interpretation. She was concerned with the transfer of development rights.
Mr. Abernathy asked where her home was located. Ms. Aunero answered Golden
Gate Estates. Mr. Schmitt said that this issue does not apply to Golden Gate Estates.
Ms. Aunero did not understand the wetland definition for Golden Gate Estates. Mr.
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Mulhere stated that the wetland policies are already in place and they fall under the
jurisdiction of state and federal agencies. Mr. Schmitt stated that he would help her
understand this if she came to the planning department.
Suzette Morales - Ms. Morales also lives in Golden Gate Estates and had concerns
over the wetland definition. She has reviewed the Governor's Final Order and it
requires massive public opinion surveys. The confusion was that it does not mention
TDRs. Mr. Mulhere stated that the definitions of wetland standards have not been
changed by the county, and it is the state that makes the determination of wetland
status. He added that TDRs do not have any impact on Golden Gate Estates. He
clarified that they are excluded from the Final Order, but they are never excluded
from state permitting. Ms. Morales also raised a concern over the woodpecker
migration. Frank Fry stated it might be necessary for a bi-lingual informational
meeting. Mr. Mulhere stated that they have had several, but they will have more.
Don Lester - Director of 15,000 Coalition, Inc.
Mr. Lester passed out some exhibits for the board. He represents landowners in the
TDR and ROMA areas. He had printed an advertisement in the Naples Daily News.
The purpose was to object to the TDRs and he believed the process is unjust and
unfair. Mr. Lester stated there was no scientific data to show this was a wetland and
he stated a 1994 decision, as well as a 1999 lawsuit. He pointed out that the
Sending/Receiving line is along the border of primarily one owner. Mr. Lester asked
why there was a rush to process the TDRs so soon after getting the ORC report. He
recommended they defer any action, or take it off the table, for the 15,000-acre TDR
area. Mr. Abemathy asked if Mr. Lester was a property owner in this area, and he
answered that he is not, but he is invested in it. Mr. Litsinger mentioned that the
county was under an extended deadline to adopt the Rural Fringe amendments by
June 22nd to avoid sanctions by the Governor. Mr. Lester stated that the Final Order
does not require the county to use TDRs and he questioned if they could remove the
TDRs and be in compliance with the Final Order. Mr. Litsinger did not believe so.
Mr. Mulhere clarified that the issue is not only whether these are wetlands, but the
county has an obligation under the Final Order to protect habitat. He stated there is
data analysis that fully supports everything they are recommending.
John Vega - Attorney for Dr. and Mrs. Hussey
The Hussey's own property west of the NRPA area in which is currently designated
Sending in section 32, the southern half of section 29, and most of section 33. The
Hussey's will be losing over 210 residential units in density. They have had earth-
mining as a potential permitted use and they have come to terms on an earth-mining
contract. Mr. Vega estimated they would experience $7-$10 million in damages over
the next 30 years. He read stated that APAC is permitted to mine and expand their
operation by 2,000 acres, but a competitor, Florida Rock Industries, and the Hussey's
are not even provided a conditional use for earth-mining for their 1,000 acres. He
suggested that they consider amending this to permit earth-mining or transfer to
Neutral or Receiving lands.
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Ernie Cox - Representing Collier Resource Company
He requested that oil extraction and related processing stay as permitted use. He
discussed thc state and federal permitting process. If the land is conditional use, there
arc still other uses that may bc available for the land. Mr. Abcrnathy asked if they
lost the conditional use, then they would have no interest in the land. Mr. Cox agreed
and said they only have solely an oil and gas interest. He requested that the
commission recommend that in the Conservation lands and in the Sending lands in
thc Rural Fringe, oil extraction remain a permitted use.
Mark Strain asked if the drilling in Conservation lands could be reached from an
angle off the site of the Conservation lands. Mr. Cox noted that if the oil is
underneath the Conservation lands, then it would be conditional use even if you were
accessing from an area outside of those. Mr. Strain stated his objective was to keep
the Conservation lands pristine, but he thought a compromise would be angled-
drilling so not to disturb the Conservation lands. Mr. Cox was concerned about other
detailed regulations. Mr. Strain asked about zoning issues and requirements for
drilling distances from residential areas. Mr. Cox knew there were requirements, but
he wasn't sure what those were.
Ken Cuyler - Goodlette, Coleman & Johnson representing Mr. Mitchell and Mr.
Clark
Mr. Cuyler's clients own property in North Belle Meade section 13. They have had a
wetland vegetation and community assessment done on their property and they were
submitted for the record. He noted that they would be talking with staff to work out
something with them that could be a recommendation to the Board of County
Commissioners.
Mary Stamatinos - Ms. Stamatinos informed that she had delivered a letter that was
to be part of the record. She has owned 5 acres in section 30 since 1956. She read
her letter to the board, which expressed her concern over the expansion of the landfill.
Her recommendation was to exclude sections 24, 25, 36, 31, & 30 or make these
sections Neutral.
Mr. Strain asked why the commission did not have a copy of her letter. Mr. Weeks
stated that the staff was to present a synopsis of the correspondence they have
received. Mr. Adelstein questioned why it was advertised in the paper, yet it is not
presented to the commission. David Wolfley stated he at least wanted to know about
all the calls, which he felt was representative of the public's opinions. Mr. Mulhere
stated that they are a lot of concerns about this issue and if they have not relayed this,
then they have failed. Mr. Mulhere stated that a previously owned, 5-acre track
would be exempt from the provisions even though it's in the Sending area, and he
would not recommend that it be convened to industrial or to designate these 5 acres
as anything other than Sending. Mr. Schmitt informed that there have been hundreds
of hours of public meetings over the past 2-½ years. Mr. Mulhere added that in this
particular instance, the owners wanted to build a home and nothing they have done
will change that.
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(Lunch Recess at 12:45)
Mr. Abemathy called the meeting in session at 1:35 P.M. The commission decided to
suspend the deliberations on this topic after the public speakers are heard.
Lynda Hittinger - She lives in Golden Gate Estates and is concerned about the TDR
area as a citizen of Collier County. She questioned whether the infill areas are all
Receiving areas. Mr. Mulhere noted the infill was all in the Urban area and Belle
Meade was not infill. Ms. Hittinger believed the TDR was taking away personal
property rights. She noted that the elevation of the TDR area has one of the highest
elevations in the county.
Karol Montalto - She stated that she is a concerned citizen and believed the animals
should not have more rights than the property owners. She suggested that the
environmental groups should have to present their facts rather than the property
owners.
Mr. Abernathy asked Mr. Mulhere to explain why the TDR program cannot be an
opt-in program like the program in the eastern lands. Mr. Mulhere explained there is
an obligation to do three things; 1) protect natural resources, particularly wetlands
and habitats for listed species, 2) protect prime or uniquely agricultural lands, and 3)
identify lands that are appropriate for another use. When there are measures to
protect the lands, it will result in impacts for the property owners. Florida law
requires there be some compensation, and in this plan, it is the transfer of
development rights at the same rate they previously enjoyed. There is no requirement
to avail themselves of the TDR program and there is no proposal that calls for any
action on the part of the county to acquire these lands.
Mr. Abemathy asked what if the Sending people opted for a Neutral designation. Mr.
Mulhere stated that they believe a Neutral designation does not appropriately protect
those lands based on data and analysis. Mr. Abernathy stated that they could take the
Sending area, sell the TDR, and turn it into ag. Mr. Mulhere agreed and added that
the county could not regulate this if it's consistent with the Right to Farm Act. Mr.
Abemathy asked if they could opt out, but Mr. Mulhere felt this might raise an issue
of non-compliance. Mr. Litsinger clarified that every parcel in the Sending area up to
40 acres is entitled to build one dwelling unit and opting into the TDR program is
optional.
Gary Davis - Policy Director for The Conservancy of SW Florida
Mr. Davis stated that the Conservancy supported the TDR program and they felt it
would require adequate compensation for property owners. They are concerned with
1) the agricultural use being continued in the Sending areas after the selling of TDR
rights, 2) the lack of incentives for Rural Villages in Receiving lands, 3) the
greenbelts being golf courses, 4) lift stations for sewage in Conservation areas, and 5)
NRPAs not having conservation status. Paul Midney asked if they could do "cookie
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cutter" golf communities and consider them Rural Villages. Mr. Mulhere stated no,
Rural Villages are required to have open roads in a gridded pattern with no gating,
and they are required to cluster. Mr. Midney wanted to ensure there be no sewage
leaks into the wetlands. Mr. Strain suggested making it along right-of-ways or
making them conditional uses. Mr. Midney thought the right-of-way was a good
idea.
Brad Cornell - Collier County Audubon Society
Mr. Comell expressed the Audubon's support for the general policy direction of these
amendments. He distributed a memo that highlighted the Audubon's concems and he
read this to the commission. They were concerned with allowing ag to continue after
TDRs are sold, and he suggested only allowing passive ag uses. There was a concern
over wetland policies and the need to better buffer natural reservation wetlands. He
suggested they 1) keep the minimum 300-foot open space preservation buffer, and 2)
add a prescriptive minimum setback distance, for water control structures only. Mr.
Cornell also recommended adding a policy regarding wildlife protection requiring
permits, letters, and approvals from outside agencies before the county issue any
permits. He recommended that the commission support the compromise that was
reached on section 24. He justified that Collier County needed to take control of
protecting their natural resources.
Mr. Strain asked for an explanation of the minimum setback distance for water
control structures. Mr. Lorenz explained that the current requirement when
determining whether it will have an adverse effect on the environment goes through a
mathematical analysis to calculate the hydraulic gradient. They will adjust and
compensate the setback distance based on this hydraulic gradient. Mr. Strain asked if
there would be a simpler way to have this assurance without a set distance. Mr.
Comell stated that they want to have something in addition to the mathematics to
assure there was appropriate protection and he felt a minimum setback distance was
reasonable. Mr. Wolfley questioned with the results of all these studies, how do we
which studies are valid. Mr. Lorenz stated that the board had sufficient data to
transmit these amendments and it was valid enough for the state to accept. Mr.
Mulhere stated that there could be a case of dueling experts for section 24 and the
board would have to decide what they felt was valid.
Tim Hancock - Vanasse Daylor representing property owners in SBMA NRPA
and Area D
Mr. Hancock was representing property owners in sections 1, 12, 13, 24, and 25. His
primary concern was thc protection of property values for residents in these sections.
Hc was concerned that if they are going to require comprehensive plan amendments
for someone to recoup the value of thc land, they needed to attach two conditions; 1)
a specific amendment cycle be designated no more than 6 months from adoption for
that purpose, and 2) all application and review fccs be waived. He also addressed thc
0-1 mile corridor. H6 stated that area has higher property values and hc suggested
that 2.5 units per acm bc returned to that area. Hc recommended that staff take no
more than 90 days to set up the TDR program.
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Mr. Adelstein asked if the land is valued at $9,200/acre in the 0-1 mile corridor, then
once TDRs are sold, the land is useless. Mr. Hancock agreed. Mr. Adelstein
questioned if to be able to live on and enjoy this property, it was only worth
$500/acre. Mr. Hancock agreed. Mr. Mulhere said this was correct in the Sending
area.
Mr. Hancock's second item was to represent a primary property owner in Area D, a
Receiving area. He stated that he created the concept of Rural Village and this cannot
be accomplished on 300 acres or 1,500 acres. The representative from the
Conservancy indicated that if there's no market for the TDRs, then the program fails
because you must compensate the Sending property owners. He asked for help to
create a market with Rural Village incentives. He recommended that the acreage
come up to 3,500 acres specifically in Area D, and he stated without large Rural
Villages, there wouldn't be large land purchases. Mr. Hancock also asked about
language on pages 54 & 55 that required golf courses to purchase TDRs. Marjorie
Student answered that she would contact Ms. Lanan. Mr. Hancock was also
concerned that on page 67, it stated that the school site be located within the village
center, and he wanted to make sure this didn't take away from the village center
acreage. Mr. Litsinger clarified that Dr. Nicholas' letter stated that a 1 to 1 TDR
program would be successful in Collier County.
Bruce Anderson & Robert Duane - Representing Intervener's East Naples Land
Company
Mr. Anderson addressed the issue raised by the DCA regarding truck traffic. He
stated that the routing of trucks has been approved by his client, the county, the
Department of Community Affairs, the Florida Wildlife Federation, and the Collier
County Audubon Society. Mr. Anderson stated that people would retain underlying
ownership even after they have sold off the development rights. He suggested that
they consider giving 1.5 or 2 units per acre if they deed the land to a government
agency or a non-profit environmental protection agency.
Mr. Abemathy asked what percent of the Receiving lands are in his clients' lands.
Mr. Anderson stated that it was about 70-75% owned by his client. Mr. Strain noted
that there is only one way for the trucks to leave the quarry to go to CR951 via
Golden Gate Blvd. He asked if they were going to put in a haul road that would
relieve the traffic from Golden Gate Blvd. Mr. Anderson stated that it is in the
Comprehensive Plan, but he is not sure if it will be permitted.
Mr. Fry questioned how the property tax situation would change on a piece of
property where the people have sold their rights. Mr. Litsinger stated that it is
speculative and he assumed the property appraiser would make an adjustment for that
factor. Mr. Fry stated that the county could potentially lose property tax income.
Milly Haylock - Ms. Haylock stated she lives in section 25 and was there
representing friends and family from sections 30, 31, 34, 24, and 25. She stated it
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was unfair to punish them for having land that is underdeveloped. Ms. Haylock
requested that sections 24, 25, 30, 31, 33, and 34 be removed. Mr. Abernathy asked
how she was being punished since she has a house on 5 acres. She stated that if all
the other lots without houses have no value, then her house would be devalued. Mr.
Strain asked if she saw an advantage for a home to be surrounded by a preserve. She
stated not if there was no value. Mr. Strain stated that she might be in a better
situation than she realizes. Mr. Litsinger restated that nowhere will there be
acquisition of the land by the county and all parcels up to 40 acres will be allowed to
build one dwelling unit. Mr. Abernathy stated that he was concerned that private
people were trying to send misinformation so they can buy this land cheaply. Mr.
Schmitt agreed.
Nancy Payton - Florida Wildlife Federation
Ms. Payton had several concerns; 1) that lift stations were permitted use in Sending,
NRPA and Conservation areas, and suggested they not be allowed in Conservation
lands and be conditional use in Sending lands, 2) that the density blending in South
Belle Meade has been defined as Sending lands instead of NRPA Sending lands, 3)
for the CCME wetland policy 6.2.8, she requested the same policies and
consideration be given to wildlife, 4) she suggested that oil and mineral extraction
remain conditional use and felt the angle drilling was a middle ground, and 5) that
section 24 should remain a Sending area and she felt the data supported this. Ms.
Payton also displayed an aerial map of the Belle Meade area and pointed out that the
Receiving lands and Sending lands have distinctly different coverage.
Mr. Adelstein questioned whether the study was to determine the area is a
woodpecker habitat or a potential woodpecker habitat. Mr. Lorenz answered that it
was looking for potential habitat. Mr. Adelstein clarified that as long as it has
potential, then it would remain as Sending lands. Mr. Lorenz stated yes, depending
on the quality, location, concentration, etc. Ms. Payton discussed an issue over a
fishpond in the area and read a letter from the USFWS, which expressed the need for
the county to have an overall strategy in the plan to protect Red-Cockaded
Woodpeckers. Mr. Anderson expressed his concern that only the residents on section
24 have to prove their worthiness to be Receiving. Mr. Fry commented that the
Audubon Society and Wildlife Federation were protecting the habitats and future
habitats of animals, but what about the habitat of the residents whom they are taking
away the rights.
Tom Doty - Mr. Doty asked where he could get a copy of the information defining
this as a wetland. He also had a problem with Mr. Anderson because he felt that the
Receiving status would be of financial benefit to only 2 or 3 major property owners.
Mr. Lorenz stated that much of the information is on the website or at the Planning
Department.
Mr. Abemathy closed the public heating at 3:20 P.M. Mr. Strain stated that he had
many questions and suggested to the commission to finish deliberations tomorrow.
Ms. Student stated that this was a special act so it would require 5 votes in favor for it
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to pass. Marjorie clarified that if it failed, this would go to the board as a lack of
recommendation for approval. Mr. Strain made a motion to continue to
tomorrow, Mr. Adelstein seconded. Passed unanimously. Mr. Abernathy stated
it would continue until 8:30 A.M. on June 7th.
MORATORIUM ORDINANCE
Mr. Strain stated that he must abstain from voting and interacting from this issue.
Norman Feeder - Transportation Administrator
Mr. Feeder gave an overview of an interim segment control moratorium for three
segments in Collier County. There were six segments identified, three of which were
decided to have the capacity to recapture by modifying the segments. The other three
have been requested to be part of the moratorium, which are Vanderbilt Beach Rd.
west of US41, US41 between Pine Ridge Rd. and Creech Rd., and Davis Blvd. from
Radio Rd. to CR951. They are proposing that development that directly accesses any
of the three segments or any development that is on an adjacent link be under this
moratorium. There were some exemptions to this, for example single-family homes,
items of public safety and health, development that has gone through the permitting
process, etc. Mr. Abernathy noted they are on pages 8 & 9 of the ordinance.
Mr. Adelstein pointed out under requested action, it should read "Davis Blvd, from
Radio Rd. to CR951". Ms. Student had an issue with the Jan. 10, 1989 and her
recommendation was to write "prior to the adoption date of the ordinance". Mr.
Feeder stated that all single-family homes are exempt even if they are immediately
adjacent or adjacent contiguous and he didn't feel a date was needed. Ms. Student
noted that language needed to be added in subparagraph 5 of the exemptions that
stated "for which no waiver and release has been executed pursuant to section 3.15.7
of this code".
Russell Budd questioned if this issue was under a timeline. Mr. Feeder stated that
they discovered the need to amend the Growth Management Plan before they could
change the Land Development Code. Mr. Abemathy questioned if they were aware
portions of this were in the city of Naples, and Mr. Feeder responded that they knew
and those portions in the city were excluded. Mr. Abemathy questioned whether Mr.
Yuvanovich's PUD would be grandfathered. Mr. Schmitt stated that it has already
been approved which is covered in the exemptions. Marjorie Student had concern
over some of the language of the exemptions in the ordinance. Mr. Abernathy
questioned the accident data. Mr. Budd asked if this goes through, how could they
get out of moratorium. Mr. Feeder stated they needed to make modifications to the
Growth Management Plan and LDC and he assured this was interim. Ms. Student
stated this was a planning-type moratorium, which would be in effect until they
complete the comp plan amendments and implementing land development
regulations. Mr. Litsinger stated that these would be adopted sometime in September
or October.
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David Wolfley asked if there had been discussions with the city on this issue, and Mr.
Feeder assured that he had several meetings with members from the city. Mr.
Wolfley questioned what criteria was used to do the traffic studies, and Mr. Feeder
answered they used a middle-level analysis.
Donald Scott - Transportation Planning
Mr. Scott stated these were based on statewide standards and all the segments are
currently considered LOSF. Mr. Wolfley stated that he did not feel US41 qualified as
LOSF. Mr. Wolfley suggested that they consider reducing the speed limit to 40 mph
on US41 rather than issuing a moratorium. Mr. Feeder stated that this would have no
effect on the traffic. Mr. Abernathy asked what could be done to bring US41 out of a
moratorium. Mr. Feeder stated they could establish better connections to alternate
routes which would pull some traffic off of US41, and he mentioned Livingston Road
as one of these alternatives. Mr. Midney asked if it was less expensive and disruptive
to limit development than it is to expand across crowded roads. Mr. Feeder felt there
needed to be a balance between the two.
Public Speakers
Ron Talone - David Plummer and Associates
Mr. Talone mentioned that the proposed moratorium ordinance is designed to be a
temporary measure until another solution can be implemented. Mr. Talone
recommended that the county identify low to moderate cost interim improvements to
provide short-term relief for those problem segments. Mr. Adelstein asked what he
would propose. Mr. Talone proposed dual left turn lanes, an additional third lane, etc.
Mr. Feeder said that there are improvements that can be made and he restated that this
is a planning moratorium, not a concurrency moratorium and there will be a definite
end. Ms. Student added that the reasons the segments have problems is due to an
increase in accidents. Mr. Wolfley asked why they didn't have the developers do the
improvements and he felt the private sector has shown to do a better, quicker.~ob.
Mr. Feeder stated that he agreed that he wanted to move things along and if a
situation comes along that's appropriate, they will try to capitalize on it.
Rich Yuvanovich
Mr. Yuvanovich had questions on the intent of the wording of the ordinance. Mr.
Feeder said there were going to be some modifications to make the language more
clear. There were some examples discussed to make the ordinance clearer. Mr.
Abernathy asked whether the ordinance the commission had was going to be the same
given to the board. Mr. Feeder said yes, but there still may be a few modifications.
Mr. Yuvanovich suggested that they pick an ordinance and stop tinkering with it. Mr.
Yuvanovich summarized exemptions #5 and #26. He felt they conflicted with each
other and suggested the staff delete #5 and live with #26. Mr. Schmitt proposed a
ten-minute break to sort out some of these issues.
(There was ten-minute recess)
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Mr. Schmitt stated that there are a couple different versions of the ordinance. Ms.
Student discussed the language for exemption #5 and #26 and read the most recent
changes of the ordinance into the record. Mr. Abemathy asked what changed in #5.
Mr. Schmitt stated that they were basically just trying to draw the line in the sand to
define what plans would be acceptable and vested. Mr. Litsinger read verbatim from
e-mail that will become the official position relative to administration of Land
Development Code 3.15. This pertained to the issuance of certificates of public
facility adequacy, or COA. Mr. Schmitt added that this was a policy that was still
evolving. Mr. Yuvanovich stated that he didn't understand what the moratorium does
and doesn't do and asked what he should tell his client. Mr. Schmitt answered that if
there is a work in progress within the building and it's under review and an
application has been submitted and deemed sufficient, with an approved site
development plan, that you can come in to get your insurance policy to pay an impact
fee for that facility and you will be issued a COA. There was some discussion over
impact fees and waivers and the process one must follow. Mr. Yuvanovich said there
were a lot of inconsistencies with the ordinance and requested that this issue be
continued until everyone has a final version.
Tom Conrecode
Mr. Conrecode stated that he had problems with the same issues. He felt that Davis
Blvd. was the most qualified for the moratorium, but felt it was irresponsible to place
it under moratorium without having identified interim and long-term fixes. He
recommended that the road remain a constrained facility. He urged the commission
to not declare Vanderbilt Beach Rd. under the moratorium. He requested there be
additional analysis done on US41 and to not declare it under the moratorium.
Mr. Wolfley asked if the stoplights had ever been retimed. Mr. Feeder answered that
timing had been done and a computerized signal system will be coming in 6 months
for some roads. Mr. Fry asked what were they anticipating to be built on Vanderbilt
Beach Rd. Mr. Feeder stated that there are other issues involving attaching other
roads and this is the segment they are hearing the most problems about. Mr.
Adelstein stated that he understood the need for a moratorium, but he didn't want to
vote on something that may change. Ms. Student said there was a problem with
exemptions #5 and #26, and once that was straightened out, then what the
commission votes on will be what is sent to BCC. Mr. Abernathy asked when this
would become a building moratorium. Ms. Student stated that the planning
moratorium was only in place to allow time to come up with new development
standards. Ms. Student viewed this as a planning moratorium with public, health,
safety welfare issues. Mr. Schmitt stated that all projects that have been approved or
are already in process would continue.
Mr. Abernathy asked when they could be given a clean ordinance, and Ms. Student
responded tomorrow afternoon. There was discussion as to how to handle issues
tomorrow. Mr. Budd suggested they pick up the Rural Fringe, handle the
concurrency and finally the moratorium. Mr. Fry suggested that they finish hearing
the public speakers.
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Reed Jarvi - Vanasse Daylor
Mr. Jarvi suggested that an arterial level analysis be done specifically on US41,
which he felt was better than a moratorium. He distributed an exhibit for Vanderbilt
Beach Rd. and discussed the traffic count findings. He suggested that the count is a
localized count for the area of the shopping center. Mr. Jarvi stated the numbers they
have found fall well below the Level of Service standard E. He felt there were
portions of Vanderbilt Beach Rd. that should not be included.
Don Pickworth
Mr. Pickworth had a concern over exemption #6 on page 9 regarding DRIs. He read
this exemption. He felt if the intent was to provide a DRI exemption, then he
suggested this needed to say, "any development or project that is a development or
project described in subsection 163.3167(8) of the Florida statutes. Ms. Student
stated that the intent was that if the DRI had already taken care of their transportation
impacts, they would be vested, but if it were in phases, then it would not be vested.
David Ellis - Collier Building Industry Association
Mr. Ellis felt that a moratorium was the most extreme planning practice. He stated it
would have a lot of ramifications. Mr. Ellis asked why not let the concurrency
system work as it was planned to work. He suggested that they take some more time
to take a look at the checkbook issue.
Rob Palmer - RPA Group, Inc. representing CBIA
Mr. Palmer was concerned that this would introduce a 1% threshold term or precedent
that will continue on, and perhaps enter on the checkbook concurrency system. He
suggested that this moratorium and the checkbook accounting system ought to be
done together.
Bruce Anderson - Mr. Anderson wanted a clarification of#26. He asked if a person
has applied for or received subdivision approval or a plat approval, but has signed a
waiver and release, were they exempt or not. Ms. Student said she would clarify this
with Ms. Lanan. He also felt this was moving through very hastily.
Al Zichella - CBIA
Mr. Zichella urged the commission to consider the checkbook issue until June 20th.
He questioned why there was a need for a moratorium when these roads have always
been constrained.
Mr. Abernathy suggested that the schedule for tomorrow should be the Rural Fringe,
the moratorium, and then the concurrency. Mr. Wolfley agreed that the checkbook
issue was moving a little too quickly. Mr. Strain stated he would summarize his notes
for tomorrow.
Mr. Strain made a motion to continue until June 7th at 8:30 A.M., Mr.
Abernathy seconded. Motion carried. This meeting was adjourned at 5:45 p.m.
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completing the reverse side and filing the form.
INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION .112.3143, FLORIDA STATUTES
A person holding elective or appointive county, municipal, or other local public office MUST ABSTAIN from voting on a measure which
inures to his or her special private gain or loss. Each elected or appointed local officer also is prohibited from knowingly voting on a mea-
sure which inures to the special gain or loss of a principal (other than a government agency) by whom he or she is retained (including the
parent organization or subsidiary of a corporate principal by which he or she is retained); to the special private gain or loss of a relative; or. ·
to the special private gain or loss of a business associate. Commissioners of community redevelopment agencies under Sec. 163.356
163.357, F.S., and officers of independent special tax districts elected on a one-acre, one-vote basis are not prohibited from voting in that
capacity.
For purposes of this law, a "relative" includes only the officer's father, mother, son, daughter, husband, wife, brother, sister, father-in-law,
mother-in-law, son-in-law, and daughter-in-law. A "business associate" means any person or entity engaged in or carrying on a business
enterprise with the officer as a partner, joint venturer, coowner of property, or corporate shareholder (where the shares of the corporation
are not listed on any national or regional stock exchange).
ELECTED OFFICERS:
In addition to abstaining from voting in the situations described above, you must disclose the conflict:
PRIOR TO THE VOTE BEING TAKEN by publicly stating to the assembly the nature of your interest in the measure on which you
are abstaining from voting; and '
WITHIN 15 DAYS AFTER THE VOTE OCCURS by completing and filing this formwith the person responsible for recording the min-
utes of the meeting, who should incorporate the form in the minutes.
APPOINTED OFFICERS:
Although you must abstain from voting in the situations described above, you otherwise may participate in these matters. However, you
must disclose the nature of the conflict before making any attempt to influence the decision, whether orally or in writing and whether made
by you or at your direction.
IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE ANY A'I-rEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION PRIOR TO THE MEETING AT WHICH THE VOTE WILL BE
TAKEN:
· You must complete and file this form (before making any attempt to influence the decision) with the person responsible for recording the
minutes of the meeting, who will incorporate the form in the minutes. (Continued on other side)
APPOINTED OFFICERS (continued)
· A copy of the form must be provided immediately to the other members of the agency.
· The form must be read publicly at the next meeting after the form is filed.
IF YOU MAKE NO ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION EXCEPT BY DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING:
· You must disclose orally the nature of your conflict in the measure before participating,
You must complete the form and file it within 15 days after the vote occurs with the person responsible for recording the minutes of the
meeting, who must incorporate the form in the minutes. A copy of the form must be provided immediately to the other members of the
agency, and the form must be read publicly at the next meeting after the form is filed.
(a) A measure came or will come before my agency which (check one}
inured to my special private gain or loss;
inured to the special gain or loss of my business associate,
inured to the special gain or loss of my relative,
inured to the special gain or loss of
whom I am retained; or
I// inured to the special gain or loss of ~)o~ ~' ~(~. ~ ~" o ~'~'~ '~
is the parent organization or subsidiary of a principal which has retained me.
(b) The measure before my agency and the nature of my conflicting interest in the measure is as follows:
DISCLOSURE OF LOCAL OFFICER'S INTEREST
, hereby disclose that on
, which
Date Filed ~i~na/ure
NOTICE: UNDER PROVISIONS OF FLORIDA STATUTES {}112.317, A FAILURE TO MAKE ANY REQUIRED DISCLOSURE
CONSTITUTES GROUNDS FOR AND MAY BE PUNISHED BY ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING: IMPEACHMENT,
REMOVAL OR SUSPENSION FROM OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT, DEMOTION, REDUCTION IN SALARY, REPRIMAND, OR A
CIVIL PENALTY NOT TO EXCEED $10,000.
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