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Minutes 08/22/1990 MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office AUGUST 22, 1990 PRESENT: Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman Mr. Steve Ball, Vice Chairman Mr. Gil Mueller Ms. Cherryle Thomas Mr. Kevin O'Donnell Mr. Gary Franco Mr. Ron Pergl of Forsyth Architects Mr. Tom Peek of Wilson, Miller, Barton, & Peek, Inc. ABSENT: Ms. Geneva Till I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 1:37 p.m. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Gil Mueller motioned to approve the minutes for the 06/27/90 meeting. Ms. Cherryle Thomas seconded, the motion passed unanimously, with a 4-0 vote. IV. ACTION LIST : It was suggested by Mr. Kevin O'Donnell that we start with item number eight (8) first while Mr. Tom Peek and Mr. Ron Pergl were in attendance. 8. Frank E. Mackie Jr. Park Community Center Expansion Mr. Kevin O'Donnell updated PARAB on past events. Mr. Tom Peek, from Wilson, Miller, Barton, & Peek, handles engineering and design in the parks. Mr. Ron Pergl has been handling preliminary design. Both gentlemen addressed PARAB regarding construction costs. Discussion followed regarding the proposed expansion; i.e. the sprinkling system, costs, drawings, and bid procedures. The necessity of some drawings, such as the detailed air conditioning, and detailed electrical, were questioned. Mr. Kim Kobza presented his viewpoint that, "we're going to increase the cost substantially, if we delay taking action". Mr. Gil Mueller expressed his concern about high costs and square footage requirements. Mr. Ron Pergl informed PARAB that there is a requirement to stay twenty feet away from the basketball courts structure. Mr. Steve Ball moved that we approve the approach of developing bids for the twenty foot (20') expansion, and the professional services on a time and materials basis with a "...not to exceed..." figure, and also that the staff look into the fire protection drawings. Ms. Cherryle Thomas seconded, the motion passed unanimously with 4-0 vote. 1. Status For The Proposed Staff Reductions In lieu of the staff reductions in Parks and Recreation and the Agriculture Department, Mr. Kevin O'Donnell had imposed a hiring freeze. There have been some vacancies since then. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell had presented reductions in the Public Services Division budget to the BCC on 1)8/06/90; The final decision has not been made yet. He had recommended eliminating the IPOP program of $165,000 from the Health Unit's contract, the Beach Parking program with the City of Naples which will potentially cost $108,000 the next fiscal year, & not filling the vacancies in some of the other Departments, including Groundskeeper in Parks and Recreation. The County Board Chairman, the County Manager, the Mayor, and the City Manager are going to have a meeting in the next week or so to discuss ways to reduce the cost for the Beach Parking Program. 2. Budget Hearing Dates The Public hearing dates are September 12, 1990 and September 26, 1990, 7:00 p.m. at the BCC Chambers. There will probably be another workshop meeting, before September 12, because the budget is still technically out of balance as of August 6th. 3. Dune Restoration Grant An application of a Dune Restoration Grant on Vanderbilt Beach, was submitted and denied. We re-applied, and have received a $42,000.00 grant, to help pay for the cost of the crossovers. Mr. Kim Kobza commented that he is heading up the MSTU project on Vanderbilt Beach, and part of that project is the beautification of the intersection at Vanderbilt Beach Road and Gulf Shore. Murdo Smith has some very detailed plans for the Cul-de-sac; Gary Franco explained these plans. rtd:002634 Page #2 08/22/90 PARAB Meeting Minutes II::) 4. Plastics on the Beaches This topic was post-poned until the next meeting. 5. Permit for Floating Docks Some of the permitting fees that the state is charging for the Floating Docks at Caxambas were getting rather cost prohibitive and the concessionaire at Caxambas was seriously considering not pursuing that any longer. That was a permit that PARAB and the BCC has authorized not being applied for. Revenues for Caxambas were discussed. This subject will be further updated at the next meeting. 6. Conklin Point We have design plans now for the 6.2 acres of property, consisting of four boat lanes, and possibly 1-2 buildings planned for construction. The Coast Guard Auxiliary has inquired about the possibility of being able to utilize space, so we have a building design of about 1500 square feet for their use. They would pay for the maintenance and upkeep of the building. We're looking on a financial arrangement where they would help offset the cost of construction. We would have a second building constructed adjacent to the first that Parks and Recreation could use for offices, and a small room on the north end we could do some interpretive programming. The Rangers would have a small office. The second half of the park, going further south, we would make into a children's play area. We have about 20 boat docks built in, that we could possibly rent out. We are looking at putting in a boat washing facility we would charge for. We're planning on about 61 car + boat parking spaces. We have had the Architects and Engineers look at the building that is currently there, and they think that it is structurally sound enough so we could rehabilitate it. Note: With the staff reductions, Mr. Kevin O'Donnell had recommended that $34,000 be eliminated. We need to increase revenues in our programming costs in a multitude of ways to make up for the $34,000, because it will not be transferred from Advelorun (property taxes) dollars. We will be making the Conklin Point facility similar to Caxambas Park, where we would charge for it. Mr. Gil Mueller questioned the revenues collected at Caxambas, and charging at S.R. 951 was discussed. The design plans will be brought to the next meeting for further review. 7. Recreational Facilities of America This issue was resolved. He is in compliance. The BCC has recommended to change the Concession Agreement, eliminating one of the monthly minimums, going to simply a $700.00 monthly minimum or 22%. The possibility of the concessionaire keeping Tigertail Beach cleaner, was discussed. 9. Concession Options The BCC terminated the contract with Blue Mountain, the food concessionaire at Tigertail, who had walked off the job in May. He had indicated a willingness to pay us for the months of March and April. The County Manager's office is following up on this. If he does pay, the BCC has indicated a willingness to terminate the contract with him, and not pursue any legal action against him. We are in the process of revising the RFP's (Request For Proposal) from three (3) years ago, and hopefully by early Fall we'll have a new food concessionaire. We're using vending machines there right now. 10. Tigertail Vegetation Permit We received letter about a week and a half ago from the Department of Natural Resources, who is handling the permitting on it, requesting some additional information. They wanted us to show where the vegetation line was back in December of 1985; a couple different sets of plans for their review. Mr. Harry Huber is working on that with Mr. Murdo Smith. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell has told both of them that is an extremely high.priority item, to respond back to DNR with the information that they need. Then hopefully we'll get a permit to remove some vegetation. Note: Mr. Kim Kobza opened about the Regional Sports Park (proposed for the area of I-75 and Imnokalee Road) and how the Bonding and the Tourist Tax Vote fits into that facility. The concept plans for the site was discussed by PARAB. The only professional baseball team that submitted a proposal was the Baltimore Orioles; the Boston Red Sox dropped out for business reasons. Their proposal included a stadium, four (4) practice fields, some office facilities, locker room facilities; they also allocated around 60 acres to the County for exclusive County use where we could put in various things that we'd want to put in a Regional Park. Some proposals for a Regional Park would be additional soccer fields, Olympic size pool, tennis courts, basketball courts, baseball/softball fields. The County would own the entire parcel, including the part where the ball club would construct their stadium and practice fields, and would be responsible under the Parks and Recreation Department. The "Orioles" are looking at the possibility of putting in a "Rookie League" or possibly getting involved in Florida State League with either a AA or A team for Baseball during the summertime. The BED (Tourist Development Tax), the third cent would go towards paying off the Bond proceeds used to construct the Baseball facilities, so no County or General Fund dollars will go towards the construction of the facility. Within the one Co" penny sale tax, there is moneys allocated for a Regional Park, and it could be used to do the development on the 60 acre Park site. The County would have it's exclusive use, as well as using Regional Park impact fees. Discussion proceeded. rtd:002634 Page #3 08/22/90 PARAB Meeting Minutes • No e• Mr. Steve Ball brought upthe issue of perhaps discussingthe idea of neighborhood�_• 9 Pe P g parks as a Board. la►' Policy making, to make changes in future plans of Collier County's Neighborhood Parks, was asked to be put on the Agenda of the 09/26/90 meeting. Note: Mr. Gil Mueller asked Mr. Kevin O'Donnell: (1) That in the event that he is able to secure an Automatic Sprinkling Plan from a Professional that is approved by the County, will it be necessary to pay Forsyth for doing it. (2) (Mr. Gil Mueller asked that this be put on the record) "I have to say again, that their costs are excessive, based on other design costs that I'm very familiar with. For example: The General Drawing they are charging 4-5 thousand dollars... I have talked to three Architects one was $1500, one was $2000, and one was $2500. It just doesn't set right with me to pay these people that kind of money." Mr. Kevin O'Donnell responded by saying that the detail of the plans, and what's going to be required for any expansion of this facility, is going to be generally driven by what criteria is going to be established or has already been established by Development Services and the information they're going to need in order to sign off on the permit. Note: Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that she has received about a dozen telephone calls regarding the sod at the Library. The concern was why is the sod being put at the Library, that already has nice grass, and not at the Park Entrance. Also, why is there not an irrigation system at the Park instead of the Library when the Park should be more beautifully landscaped. Gary Franco commented. It was then •• agreed that Gary Franco will meet Ms. Cherryle Thomas out there, and check for himself. Ms. Cherryle Thomas also had 10 complaints about the bathrooms at Airport Park. Gary Franco updated PARAB on the plans and the schedule for it to be done by the end of the fiscal year. Ms. Cherryle Thomas expressed • her congratulations on the Middle School; it has been bulldozed out there, and feels that something good is going to come of it. Discussion proceeded. Mr. Kim Kobza expressed his concern to know more about what is going on in Immokalee at future meetings. Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked how to get improvements on the budget for the Inmokalee area. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell commented that she should get in touch with him or Mr. Cliff Crawford. If it's something minor, we will take care of it immediately. It it is a major change, which will change the Growth Management Plan, we will put it on the PARAB Agenda for discussion, and then taking it up with the Commission. Note: Mr. Kevin O'Donnell commented that he will have staff prepare for the next PARAB Meeting, a list of the major projects that are being contemplated for the Community Parks and elsewhere in the Department. V. ADJOURNMENT Mr. Gil Mueller motioned to adjourn the meeting at 3:42 p.m.. Ms. Cherryle Thomas seconded, the motion I111W passed unanimously with a'4-0 vote. rtd:002634 • • C