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PARAB Minutes 12/20/1995 Norris -`7 Hancock Constantine 6 6 PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARDNatthewe 4� MINUTES L- December 20, 1995 Golden Gate Community Center 4701 Golden Gate Parkway, Naples, Florida PRESENT: Joseph Zaks, Chairman MiSC. Cortes: Jti`• Max A. Hasse, Jr. Gil Mueller Date: ,)u— 7q!j Timothy Blackford Patricia A. Goodnight Item# 17 ( ABSENT: Copies To: ALSO PRESENT: Steve Brinkman, Parks and Recreation Director Murdo Smith, Parks and Recreation Operations Manager Gary Franco, Parks Superintendent Jacquie Minnis, Secretary II Robert Stakich, Vice President of YMCA Board Tom Wagor, President of YMCA Board I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 2:05 p.m. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG III. INVOCATION: by Max A. Nasse Jr. IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 29, 1995 meeting. Motion by Max Hasse seconded by Patricia A. Goodnight. Passed 5/0. PLAQUE PRESENTATION - Chairman Joe Zaks presented Ms. Kimberly Kushman with a plaque for serving on the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. V. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS a. Maintenance Of Marco YMCA - Torn Wagor, President and Director of the Marco YMCA Board, would like to propose opening some dialogue between their board and the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board for the use of the Marco YMCA • pool. There are no preconceived plan or ideas at this point. Mr. Wagor would simply like the Parks and Recreation Department to discuss the issue on how they would open the Marco YMCA Pool to the general public. Mr. Wager stated that the pool runs on a large deficit. This is one of the reason for coming before PARAB to discuss ways of public usage. This would benefit the county citizen and also the YMCA operating budget. Chairman Joe Zaks inquired whether the schools are using the pool? 1 16G Mr. Wagor stated that just Marco YMCA members, the aquatic director does run some swim practices and non YMCA members can sign up for the program; however, there is a different fee structure for non YMCA members. Mr. Max Masse inquired whether the pool is not financially sound? Mr. Wagor stated that the Marco YMCA is in the process of restructuring its membership to increase the number of members. The intent is to have a family based orientation as far as the YMCA is concerned and also to build the membership base. The way for the Marco YMCA to succeed is to have a good strong membership base but because of the amount of usage it's not enough to cover the pool. The pool is the largest expense on their budget; it has not been a profitable operation. Mr. Oil Mueller stated that the Marco YMCA once had a very good program. The Marco Island YMCA's tried to raise too much money and they failed. Mr. Mueller also stated that they had a large turn over in board members. The tennis facility is not run properly and this is the 7th time that they have tried to restructure its membership. Ms. Patricia Goodnight stated that the YMCA of Marco hand out does not state what they want PARAB to do. It only shows their expenses, the deficit, and what their programs are. Ms. Goodnight is not sure if they are requesting that • the Collier County Parks on Marco Island advertise to the resident that the YMCA pool is open for a fee. Mr. Brinkman will check with Mr. Bob Stakich to find out precisely what they are proposing PARAB. VI. REPORTS/UPDATES a. Beach Fees Status - the beach fee program has generated $55 000 worth of revenue since October 1, 1995. Mr. Gary Franco stated that basically the meters are almost paid for. Meters cost about $79,000 and the beach fee program has raised $55,000 to date. Mr. Mueller inquired whether it is mandatory to put the beach sticker on the left rear bumper? Mr. Gary Franco responded yes, as it would make it much easier for the Rangers to just look at one place for sticker. The Rangers are writing citations if stickers are not on the vehicle. The Rangers make collections on a daily basis and also check the meters to make sure they are functioning properly. The Rangers are very knowledgeable about the parking machine and normally take care of any hardware problems, 2 • 16G b. Veteran Spill Lighting - Mr. Cil Mueller inquired whether there has been any word on the Veterans spill lighting. Mr. Steve Brinkman stated that Mr. Steve Pate has not made • a request to the Board of County Commissioners. c. Pelican Bay Tennis Bid - Mr. Tim Blackford noted that he reviewed the RFP and there are two bids that were received one of which was unacceptable. The second proposal met all the criteria and guidelines that were set forth but the revenue was unacceptable. Chairman Joe Zaks stated that all 8 courts should be available for rental use rather than just the 4 courts which are in the proposal. Chairman Joe Zaks stated that this statement is unacceptable: the County retains the right to withdraw all or any portion of County Property thereto from terms and conditions of the Concession Agreement upon giving the concessionaire ninety (90) days written notice. Mr. Gil Mueller stated that the Racquet Center on Marco does not have courts open for public play. There is a charge for all the courts and why should Pelican Bay Tennis Courts be any different. Mr. Brinkman stated that this was the direction of the Commissioners when BCC looked at the proposal the Department submitted on the operation and it was .a condition in sending out the RFP. * Motion to reject the bid due to the fact that it does not meet the criteria for revenue by Tim Blackford. Seconded by Cil Mueller. Passed 5/0 Ms. Patricia Goodnight inquired if Manring personnel took over and ran the facility, will all 8 courts be charged for? • Chairman Joe Zaks responded that he would like for the Parks and Recreation staff to revisit a PARAB proposal that all courts be charged for, Mr. Brinkman stated that he could suggest to the Commissioners to leave open one court and the other 7 will he rented. The Parks Department would do a revenue projection on 8 courts, 7 courts, and 6 courts. The idea of making 4 courts available to the public and 4 courts rented will make it complicated revenue wise. Mr. Tim Blackford stated that he would rather go to Pelican Bay and pay a $5.00 fee to play on clay court than to go to Veterans Community Park which is near and convenient for him. People prefer paying for clay courts. The fact that the clay courts, being more expensive to maintain, people do not mind paying. Mr. Tim Blackford noted that there is no where you can go and play on clay courts free except for 3 • 16G Pelican Bay, On Marco and Camhier there is a charge. * Modified first motion: Motion by Tim Blackford to recommend rejecting the bid by Manring and Breger that the staff put together a proposal for Parks and Recreation manning the Pelican Bay Tennis Facility and the imposition of the fee structure which was previously approved by PARAB. Seconded by Patricia a Goodnight. Passed 4/1. Cil Mueller Opposed. Impact Fees Status - Steve Brinkman discussed that the County Attorney's Office feels that another Impact Fee study needs to be done and contract out with some company to do so. It is anticipated that this will be done in the next 3-6 months. This will slow down the implementation of all the impact fees. The County Attorney's were not comfortable with the information that Bill Haggert put together. • One of the suggestions was to start charging impact fees in the Marco Island area. Gil Mueller and Mr. Steve Brinkman met at the County Attorney's and they indicated that they will go along with adding that impact fee back in. The County Attorney felt that there might be some risk of adding that impact fee before officially conducting the study and then adopting the fee if it were to not to be recommended. Ms. Patricia Goodnight stated that the reason for Marco Island not having an impact fee was an impact fee could not be levied against a resident and be spent some where else_ At that time impact fees for Parks and Recreation would only be used for the physical building it could not be used for employees or any programs. d. November Monthly Report - will he discuss at next meeting• e. Non Residential Annual Beach Pass Fee Mr. Brinkman stated that this was a request by Ms. Kate German of Lee County. Ms. Kate German was suppose to make a presentation but never made any of PARAB meetings. Ms. Patricia Goodnight is in favor of looking into an annual fee for non-residential annual beach pass fee if PARAB can review what the State and Lee County is charging for their annual fee at beaches. Mr. Brinkman stated that a few things that need to be considered is the lost in revenue. If anyone can get a beach pass for $38.00 annually no one will pay the $3.00 fee. At this time the Parks Department is charging a $3.00 fee. For Collier County residents, tax payers, and property owners with appropriate ID the beach sticker is issued at no charge. 4 , 16G Motion by Tim Blackford that PARAB request staff to review the fees being imposed at Lee County Beach and the State Beaches and PARAB review those fees and make a recommendation at the next meeting. Seconded by Patricia Goodnight. Passed 5/0. Mr. Murdo Smith stated that since the issuance of beach stickers Veterans Community Park has had a high volume of county residents coming in for beach stickers. The Department hired additional staffing to handle the issuing of beach stickers. f. Athletic - a letter was sent from the City's Community Service Department to the men softball association that there will no longer be Men's Softball Leagues at the Fleischman Park. ' • The City is converting some of their fields into Little League fields, the boys will play at Fleischman and the girls will play at Cambier. g. Election of Officers - Motion by Gil Mueller to vote Joseph Zaks as Chairman for the next year. Seconded by Max Hasse. Passed 5/0. Motion by Patricia Goodnight to elect Timothy Blackford as Vice Chairman. Seconded by Joseph Zaks. Passed 5/0. h. Parks Adoption Report - new schedule for next month. i. Estates Community Park Ground Breaking Status - The ground breaking was held and the Board of County Commissioners recommend that the Park be renamed Max A. Hasse, Jr. . Community Park. j . Next meeting will be held at Cocohatchee River Park on January 24, 1996. VII. Adjournment I Meeting adjourned at 3:45 p.m. Motion by Max Hasse to • adjourn. Seconded by Patricia Goodnight. Passed 5/0. 5