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PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD
MINUTES
November 29 , 1995
• Immokalee Community Center
321 North First Street, Immokalee, Florida
PRESENT: Joseph Zaks, Chairman
Max A. Hasse, Jr.
Gil Mueller
Timothy Blackford
Patricia A. Goodnight
ABSENT: Stephen Klee, Vice Chairman
Kimberly Kushman - RESIGNED
ALSO PRESENT: Steve Brinkman, Parks and Recreation Director
Murdo Smith, Parks and Recreation Operations Manager
Gary Franco, Parks Superintendent
Jacquie Minnis, Secretary II
Steve Pate,
Bob Elwood
Ray Truelove, Veterans Organization
William Hunter Lewis - Architects
I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order a: 2:05 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
III. INVOCATION: by Max A. Hasse Jr.
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: October 25, 1995 meeting.
Motion by Patricia A. Goodnight seconded by Max Hasse.
Passed 5/0.
Correction: Page 4 of the minutes paragraph C 3rd line should
read as follow: The price for all previously discussed projects _
plus Lake Avalon over a 5 year period is $19.65 million.
Correction: Page 5 paragraph F 1st line should read as follow:
Barefoot Beach Preserve is going to reach the capacity when the
next phase of the final 105 parking space is developed.
Motion by Patricia A. Goodnight to approve the minutes as
amended seconded by Max Hasse. Passed 5/0.
V. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS
a. Steve Pate - representing Project Management, Taylor
Woodrow Communities, Stonebridge Country Club. An aerial
photograph of Veterans Community Park was distributed.
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In 1990 the ball fields lights at Veterans Community Park
were installed. At that time, both the Victoria Park PUD
and what is currently the Stonebridge PUD were subject to
residential zoning.
Mr. Pate indicated that there is a tremendous amount of
spill lighting from the existing lights on the ball field
at Veterans Community Park. New lights were installed on
the soccer fields at the Veterans Community Park and their
using a new type of light that has lens cover with a hood.
The difference between the older lights on the ball field
and the new lights on the soccer fields is the amount of
spill lighting both on adjacent properties and in the
atmosphere.
Replace Existing Lights -Taylor Woodrow and WCI proposes to
replace the existing lighting facilities at Veterans Park
with new lighting which is of the same quality as the
lighting currently installed at a number of the other
County Parks in order to minimize lighting spill-over
effects for existing and future residential areas proximate
to the park.
Research & Studies of Cost - Taylor Woodrow and WCI did
extensive studies on the effects of spill over lighting
from the 196 lighting fixtures currently install at
Veterans Community Park. The cost for replacing the lights
is $140,000 for ball field lighting.
Proposed - Mr. Pate proposed to the County a cost sharing
with the developing company Westinghouse and Taylor Woodrow
will fund the improvement for the lights and replace the
ball field lighting with the new type lights. Mr. Pate is
requesting in return that the County reimburse some sort of
cost sharing impact fee credit or some other method of
partial reimbursement for this improvement. Mr. Pate has a
letter of opinion from his attorney stating that they are
eligible for impact fees credit.
The question was raised as to what would be done with the _ _
old lighting? Can it still be used? It would be donated
to some charitable organization. •
Chairman Joe Zaks stated that Veterans Community Park was
there with the lights before Stonebridge was and Veterans
was there before Pelican Marsh was with the lights.
Vineyards light was built to the standard of the day.
Veterans light was built to the standard of the day.
Bob Elwood stated that yes, he understood that the Veterans
Community Park was put there first, but the County had the
understanding that that area was in part of the
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development. Secondly, the specification did call for
shaded light and apparently because of cost constraint, the
County was unable to put in shaded light.
Winterberry Lights - Ms. Patricia A. Goodnight stated that
Winterberry lights were reinstalled because of the citizens
in that area. It would be in the best interest of Veterans
Park or the surrounding neighborhoods and our present
sitting commissioners that if there is help from the
developer, the County should go ahead and do it because
sometime in the future it would have to be done. Whether
impact fees pays for it all or being worth to be divided
up. It will be better if its done now.
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Mr. Brinkman stated that it is not in the budget but can be
worked in the future budget.
Motion by Patricia A. Goodnight that the Commissioners
proceed to review the offer by Mr. Steven Pate and their
wisdom they believe that an improvement to the environment
will result by changing the lighting that they accept the
cost sharing proposal put forth. NO SECOND TO THE
MOTION.
b. Mr. Starkich was not able to attend meeting, however will
attend December 20, 1995.
c. Veterans Community Park, Veterans Memorials - Stan Saran,
President and Designer of the Saran Design Group, located
at Marco Island.
Mr. Saran proposed a memorial at Veterans Community Park.
Mr. Ray Truelove, Military Memorial Advisor, Suzanne
Lovering who is the fund raiser and William Hunter Lewis,
WHL Architects.
Hand out was distributed and a visual was displayed.
The memorial is a 50ft long by 22ft deep by 12ft high
monument. An open highly interactive, walk through, two
sided structure that comfortably utilizes the site. A _ _
wheelchair ramp located alongside the elegant ornamental
steelwork curtain, gives total access to the front and rear
of the monument. The monument will be clearly visible to
the park entrance gate and will be prominent feature
focusing visitors attention to the fact that they are at
Veterans Community Park. The monument has been designed as
an efficient, very low maintenance design.
Construction of the Memorial by William Hunter Lewis - the
memorial is relatively simple. The base concrete and will
be covered in a natural color, non skid cast stone, very
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strong and bearable. It goes up to 6,000 pounds of
strengths and maintenance free. Should not crack or reseal
sun cannot damage.
The monolith has black granite and granite is the hardest
stone to work with. It is definitely a permanent feature.
The only adjustment to the park would be to relocate the
sand volleyball courts.
The funds will be raised by the organization. The only •
cost to the County is some maintenance.
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Mr. Saran stated that the only request is the property for
the monument. •
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Mr. Mueller inquired how much money is going to be raised?
Mr. Saran stated that $250,000 needs to be raised, and
Suzanne Lovering is there in house fund raiser. Ms •
Lovering raised millions of dollars for past projects and
is very good at raising funds.
Mr. Ray Truelove stated that the Veterans Council has
looked at this project and the Veterans organization within
the County approve of this project. Ceremonies can be held
at the monument and there is ample room for everyone to
comfortably park without disturbing the natural activities
of the park.
Ms. Patricia A. Goodnight stated that during Desert Storm
a young man from Collier County died. Mr. Saunders made
the motion and it was approved unanimously by Board of
County Commissioners that the North Naples Park would be
named Veteran Community Park and sometime in the future
there would be a memorial there for all of the Veterans •
including the young man that had died.
Motion by Tim Blackford that PARAB make a recommendation to •
the County Commissioners to approve the Veterans Memorial
project. Seconded by Gil Mueller. Passed 5/0.
d. Lemonade Concession Proposal - Tim Blackford inquired
whether the proposal went out for bid? Or did this
particular Company just make a proposal? Mr. Brinkman
answered No, that it did go out for bid.
Lemonade Concession is going to pay the County a flat fee
or a percentage of their profit.
Percentage will be done base on gross receipts.
Mr. Blackford stated that he suggested that the County
provide an in-house Concession a long time ago. •
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Mr. Brinkman responded that the Parks Department had made
the request but the County will not allowed a in house
concession stand.
Murdo Smith stated that there were a changes on the menu
for the sodas to 55t , remove water proof bandages because
the Parks Department does not want any cut patron going
into the pool. Added plastic pants for the kiddies.
Motion By Tim Blackford to accept the proposal. Seconded
by Patricia A. Goodnight. Passed 5/0
e. Immokalee Pool Acting Supervisor - Mr. Smith introduced
Kelly Coleman as the Acting Supervisor for Immokalee Pool.
Chairman Joe Zaks inquired whether the Center needed
anything that they are not getting.
Ms. Goodnight interjected that she had a list of items that
the Immokalee Recreation/Pool needed.
f. Fitness Center - Chairman Joe Zaks stated that he had
several calls from a senior citizens regarding senior
citizen at the fitness center.
Mr. Smith responded that it is $3.00 per/day, $20.00
per/month, $40.00 for 3 months pass, and $120.00 annually.
Corporate discount for 25-100 employee there is 20%
discount, 101-150 40% discount, and 151-plus there is a 50%
discount.
AARP Discount - Chairman Zaks inquired whether the discount
can be extended to AARP.
Mr. Brinkman responded yes.
VI. REPORTS/UPDATES
a. Pelican Bay Tennis Court - Mr. Tim Blackford inquired what
is the status on the bidding for Pelican Bay Tennis Court?
Mr. Smith responded that there was a pre bid meeting on
November 16, 1995 the proposals are due in Purchasing
December 8, 1995. There were quite a few tonnia
professionals at the pre bid meeting.
b. Impact Fee Status - Mr. Mueller stated that he has been
playing telephone tag with Mr. David Weigel for a week.
Mr. Brinkman stated that he spoke to Mr. Wiegel and
indicate that he will be getting with the Department very
soon.
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c. Beach Parking Fees Status - All the master meters will be
installed at all locations. Mr. Brinkman stated that Gary
Franco will give exact revenue projection.
In the month of October there was $13,600 collected and
November is doing much better. Its approximately $21,000.
d. Monthly Report - on Recreation section the facility users
for this year to last year is significantly greater than
the user hours, car count, and the revenue is lesser.
e. Boat Launch Study Beach Access - the recommendation for
funding on page 24.
Bluebill Property - will be sold and Real property
indicates that its value estimated at about $3 millions.
If the property is sold, there is a number of area that the
Parks Department would like to purchase with th000 dollnrn
to assist us in the Beach and Water area.
Tigertail Court - there is land that the School Board owns
down on Tigertail court on Marco. It's about 7 acres. The
approximate value of the property is about $600,000.
Vanderbilt Beach Parking Lot - the property across from
Vanderbilt Beach, approximately 1 acre, is owned by the
Colliers. The value is about $1 million. This would add
approximately 50-100 additional parking spaces.
Bayview Community Park - Bayview was the number 1 boat
launch facility, but Cocohatchee is now number 1. The
Department would like to expand Bayview by putting in
another ramp and additional parking. The 2 acres at that
site would cost another million dollars and it is own by
the Colliers and part of the Sabal Bay Development that
they are going through.
Cocohatchee River Park Easement - the Department would like
to purchase the easement at Cocohatchee River Park. If
that is done this would allow the Department to add an
additional 20 trailer spots. •
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Chokoloskee Boat Ramp - does needs to be renovated„ which
will cost $200,000 and add an additional 10-12 parking
spots .
Motion by Gil Mueller to accept the proposal for Boat
Launching Beach Access Study. Seconded by Max Hasse.
Passed 5/0.
f. Resignation - Ms Kimberly Kushman resigned from Parks and
Recreation Advisory Board. Ms Kushman accepted an
appointment to the City Planning Advisory Committee.
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PARAB Attendance - Mr. Stephen Klee's position was in
question. Chairman Joe Zaks stated that he did not send
the memo as requested by PARAB.
g. Motion by Tim Blackford to vacate Stephen Klee position.
Seconded by Gil Mueller. Passed 5/0
h. Parks Adoption Report - Ms. Patricia Goodnight reported
that playground equipment is being installed. Need more
lighting for jogging area for security purpose.
Desperately need a Computer for the Immokalee area. Its
very difficult to get fliers made when it has to be sent to
Golden Gate to be done.
Mr. Brinkman will check with FPL for security lighting.
Over at the pool there is some problem with the doors and
the contractor will come back to take care of the problem.
The exercise equipment is in.
Items That Needs To Be Transported - there is no
transportation in Immokalee to transmit paper work to the
administration building. These are the following things
that need to be transported to Naples; pool chemical from •
Naples, water samples to Naples, weekly paper work, staff
meeting in Naples, staff training in Naples, Q+ meetings,
parches and equipment from the Vineyards, pick up training
supplies for Red Cross in Naples and Ft. Myers, daily bank
run, distribution of fliers to the schools and attend
community function etc.
Immokalee Transportation Problem - Kim Diehl is using her
private vehicle to transport and also pick up van from
Golden Gate to Immokalee then deliver van back to Golden
Gate for Soccer team and paper work.
Budget Cut Back - When budget was cut back from maintenance
this was also one of the item to be cut from the budget.
Pelican Bay Community Park - Tim Blackford volunteered to
adopt Pelican Bay Community Park.
Vineyards Community Park - Chairman Joe Zaks reported that
the Vineyards Community Park building is getting worse and
something needs to be done about it.
Vineyards Building Wall Repair - Mr. Murdo Smith responded
that the contractor is working on a schedule with Vickie
Wilson to repair the walls to avoid closing the game room
completely.
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i. Estate Ground Breaking - will be held on December 11,
1995. The ground breaking will be held at at the Big
Cypress School Pavilion.
j . Lake Avalon Master Plan - a recommendation to find an area
for boat rack very similar to the City of Naples. There
was a discussion the last time but no recommendation.
Motion for a recommendation that no boat racks be placed on
County Beaches. Seconded by Chairman Joe Zaks. Passed
5/0.
PARAB had requests or presentation made that the City rents
out spaces to citizens to keep their personal Catamaran.
The City has a system were they have a waiting list and do
not have enough space to accommodate boats. So there are
citizens that live in the County that would like to rent
space or set up a system where they can store boats.
VII. Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 5:15 p.m. Motion by Tim Blackford to
adjourn. Seconded by Patricia Goodnight. Passed 5/0.
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