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Agenda 03/16/1989 PARRS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA MARCH 16, 1989 The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting will be held on Thursday, March 16, 1989, 8: 30 A.M. in the Parks and Recreation Administration Building, Conference Room, 3300 Santa Barbara Boulevard. I. Call Meeting to Order II. Approval of Minutes from February 16, 1989 III. i'ast Naples Community Park Construction Status IV. Discussion of City of Naples Parks and—Recre tion Advisory Board/Collier County Park-; and Recreat Advisory Board Joint Meeting V. Schedule of Recreational Programs Informational only - no action required VI. Adjournment AMMO. ACTION LIST March 16, 1989 1. Blue Bill Park & Engineering submitting design • Boat Ramp options 2. Park Ranger Enforcement Included in Legislative Packet Ordinance 3 . Baseball Field Bids have been re-advertised Golden Gate Park Bid Opening - March 29, 1989 4 . School Bus Agreement Approved by BCC - March 7, 1989 5. Ron Burton's Plaque Delivered to Mr. Burton in February, 1989 6. Interim Water Agreement Approved by both City and County with City of Naples 7 . Continuation of Wilson, Design time table proposal Miller, Barton,Soll and received March 7, 1989 Peek Contract 3 . Willow Run Proposal Still under consideration 9 . Bid 33-1303 Trophies Passed by BCC March 7, 1989. .4/0 10. Immokalee Board Vacancy Still in BCC; is advertised C February 16, 1989 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board met on this date at 8 : 30 AM, . in the Conference Room of the Administration Building at Golden Gate Community Park, Naples, Florida, with the following members present: Chairman: Scott McQuillin Vice Chairman: Charles Stevens (departed after determining there was a quorom present as he was ill) Gil Mueller Kim Kobza ALSO PRESENT: Bob Furlong and Glenn Bridges, from Wilson Miller, Barton, Soll & Peek, Inc. ; Kevin O'Donnell, Public Services Administrator; Cliff Crawford, Parks and Recreation Director; Murdo Smith, Parks and Recreation Manager; Representative from Naples Daily News; Barbara Johnson, Parks and Recreation Secretary. AGENDA I. Call Meeting to Order II. Changes or Additions to Agenda III. Approval of Minutes from January 26, 1989 IV. Old Business A. Action List V. New Business A. Beach/Water Safety Ordinance B. Renewal of Submerged Land Lease Agreement C. City of Naples Parks & Recreation/ Collier County Recreation Boards VI . Informational Items A. East Naples Community Park Construction Status B. Everglades City Approval of Interlocal Agreement C. Draft Interlocal Agreement for Immokalee Middle School Land Swap Charles Stevens stated that he would not stay for the meeting since there was a quorom present. He was not feeling well. The meeting was opened by Chairman McQuillin at 8: 30 AM. A copy of the revised agenda was distributed. Mr. Smith requested that the update of East Naples Community Park be moved forward upon the arrival of representatives from Wilson, Miller. Minutes approved with the following correction - page 16 - vote be changed from 3-0 to 3-1 regarding the motion to reject the bids for the regulation baseball field to be built at Golden Gate Community Park. Request made to have the pages of the minutes numbered. Mr. McQuillin: You will notice the minutes are not verbatim but are paraphased. The minutes are more than adequate and effectively convey what happens. Does anyone see these minutes after they are reviewed by us? Mr. Crawford: They go to Mr. 0' Donnell's office, County Manager's office and the Board of County Commissioners office. Action List: Golden Gate Ballfield - BCC recommended that bids be rejected and specifications be redrafted. School Bus Agreement - Has not gone before BCC. Was returned by Kevin O'Donnell to be rewritten to include some detailed financial costs. Ron Burton's Plaque - In Parks and Recreation Department, have not met with Mr. Burton yet - he has not returned calls. Interim Water Agreement with City of Naples - City of Naples has signed, County had signed before sending the agreement to the City. Continuation of Wilson, Miller contract - Waiting for timetables to be returned from Wilson, Miller. These are to be included in the review. Leon Williams Resignation: Resignation received and forward to Nancy Israelson's office. She will publish the vacancy and forward any applications to the PARAB for review. Applicants will be requested to attend the next regular scheduled meeting in March. Request made to number the items on the Action List by Mr. McQuillin. VI - A. East Naples Community Park Update: Bob Furlong and Glenn Bridges from Wilson, Miller, Barton, Soll and Peek, Inc. , were introduced to the members of PARAB. Mr. Furlong: We are going to be here every month and try to give you an update on East Naples Community Park and any other projects we have going. East Naples Community Park Phase I Part II had two contracts awarded. Mid- Continent was awarded the contract for buildings and site electric and Better Roads was awarded the site development contract. Notice to Proceed has been issued and we are working with them on work schedules, and securing the necessary permits. They should be mobilizing and going to the park site anytime from now to within the next couple of weeks. The area has been secured with a construction fence and work should start anytime. Mr. Smith: Wilson, Miller in conjunction with Better Roads and Mid-Continent, has been out and are staking the building pads and where other lines are supposed to go. It should be on target for completion in August. Mr. Furlong: What about Golden 2 Gate ballfield now? Mr. Kobza: Can you give us an analysis on why you think this project came in over budget? Mr. Furlong: I can tell you exactly what happened. We started with a project that should have come in at roughly $347, 000. That was using some of the things that we have used on the ball fields in the past, like chain-link dugouts, 70' mounting height on the poles. I think that in putting together the contract our wish list grew longer than our budget. We went to a higher mounting height, better lighting on the ballfields, a more complicated electrical system; to provide that lighting required us to go to some type of a building to house those electrical panels so we went to concrete dugouts instead of chain-link. We added a parking lot which we knew might take it above budget but we had the ability to take that back out if we wanted to. Those are some of the things. Mr. Kobza: So there were actually items that were included in the plans that were bid that would be in addition to the budget. In other words that bid was a soft number and we knew that going into the bid. Mr. Furlong: Frankly we got stuck on the lighting costs. The way the specs were written we provided Musco as the lighting system. I think that Musco representative got the impression he was the sole source vendor on that job and for this reason we got stuck with a high cost of lighting. Mr. McQuillin: There were actually four bidders and you are saying that Musco gave them all the same figures? Mr. Furlong: Yes, only one contractor was successful in getting prices from someone in Alabama because the Musco representative in this area had it all tied up. He was providing a price on the fixtures and the poles as a package, which is very uncommon. The way we wrote the specs we really (11. allowed them to have the sole source of supply and that really hurt. Mr. Kobza: What is the game plan for approach at this point? Is there a potential to get some value engineering? Mr. Furlong: Absolutely. What we are doing is to come back to the chain-link dugouts. We can do that because we are also going to simplify the electrical system. Instead of having concrete dugouts with panels mounted on the inside we are going to bring service off the access road from one of the poles, come down and mount it to pipes and stress panels and leave them outside and exposed. The panels will be weatherproof - it will be a little less convenient for controling the lights, but it will be a lot less expensive. We are going back to 70' mounting heights on the poles which will reduce the cost and we are changing the specs to open it up to anyone who wants to put together an individual type lighting system instead of implying that Musco has a wrap on the system. Mr. McQuillin: This was the way the facility was originally designed - why would we increase the specifications when you would assume that when it was put out to bid you would get bids that were much hgher than what were originally thought to be, and then why were the specifications increased if you thought that would happen? Mr. Furlong: They were increased because we wanted that better lighting system. Mr. McQuillin: Who is "we"? Mr. Furlong: The design team - Parks, Wilson, and Heyward's office. We wanted the better facilities and we were not certain that the costs were going to be jacked up that high. We thought there would be more room for negotiations if they did come in over bid. Mr. McQuillin: I understand. I was curious. Mr. Kobza: How much do you think that we can save by going to rebid? Mr. Furlong: I think that we can get back down to budget. We may have to cut out some of the parking lot, but that was always part of the original plan. Mr. Kobza: Is the ability there for us sometime in the future to go back in and get the concrete dugouts? I realize once the electrical wires are put in place they stay, but what about the dugouts? Mr. 3 Furlong: If you are asking specifically about the dugouts, yes, but it is not cost effective for that item. It would be more cost effective to wait until you build your maintenance facility and then put the panels inside the building, which happens to be in the outfield. Mr. Smith: What we are also planning on doing is, after construction, put some type of fence around the panels so it will not be accessible to the public - it will be hidden. Mr. Mueller: There is no possibility that we would be committing ourselves to more than adequate lighting, or overkill, such as happend in Winterberry and created such a problem on Marco Island? Mr. Crawford: I really think that the specified lighting represents lighting for baseball - the same as Baron Collier and Lely High Schools. Actually the lighting for this field is a little bit higher than Winterberry. It will be 50/30, Winterberry is 50/20, which is the difference between the types of facilities they are. Mr. Mueller: I was just curious, I would not want to see the same problems arise that we have had on Marco Island with the Winterberry system. Mr. Furlong: Part of the cost in this bid was for the glare protection also. It is not just a shield, it is an interior type of thing which is supposed to reduce the glare 65%. Mr. Mueller: We do not have that in Winterberry? Mr. Crawford: No. What you have is like a visor. Mr. Kobza: In the original bid it was not split out Safeco vs. someone else - is this not the type of project you split out? Mr. Furlong: This contract - half of the cost is electrical and the rest is site and paving. You would expect someone like Mid- Continent to be the low bidder - the other half of the contract they will not be doing themselves, they will be marking up 10 to 15% for sub- contractors. If it were split up into two areas, it is possible that you could save some of that, but you would not be controlling the whole job and the contractor may mark up the price to cover the coordination on site. Generally the problems you run into are not worth the money you are going to save. We realized that on the first three parks that were built. Mr. Kobza: Our approach is based on your opinion. Mr. Furlong: On a contract this size I would definitely leave it as one. Mr. McQuillin: Any more questions about the ball park? We appreciate your coming here. Mr. McQuillin: OK, lets get back to New Business. Beach and Water Safety Ordinance . It is in the packet that we received when we came in. Mr. O'Donnell: This is scheduled to go before the Commission on February 28th - it has been advertised. Some of you may have heard it referred to the Jet Ski Ordinance - we have previously had a number of problems with jet skis throughout the County area. The BCC directed my office, in conjunction with the County Attorneys office, to prepare an ordinance to regulate those vessels. One of the other things we noticed was safety problems, particularly at Tigertail with the sand bar, and the boaters moving in and out without paying attention to the swimmers in the area. This was not from vessels rented by our concessionaire because he was telling the boaters to go into a specific area, but this was coming from boaters just coming up and down. This particular ordinance regulates the conduct of vessels, people on the beaches, as well as concessionaires. We had a problem with wildcatters - people who would rent a boat and literally park a few feet off the shore line and rent to anyone who would pay the particular fee. They were not only taking revenue away from our concessionaires, but we did not know if they even had the proper insurance. All this is addressed in the scope of the ordinance. We have taken a lot of things that are already in our existing ordinances and put them into one which makes it 4 easier for the Sheriff's Department and our Park Rangers to enforce. It eliminates open fires on the beach except where grills have been put in place by Parks and Rec, overnight parking, and is applicable to all beaches in Collier County except those within the corporated limits of the City of Naples. It also affects the beaches in front of hotels and condos; you cannot operate a vessel while intoxicated, which is similar to driving a vehicle. A particular area where we were getting a lot of complaints was soliciting and canvassing - no one may solicit or canvass on a public beach except by a licensed concessionaire and a licensed concessionaire shall canvass or solicit only his merchandise within a 10 feet limit from his premises or vehicle. We have had problems with people handing out flyers and we have specified that you have to have a license to do that. Mr. McQuillin: What problems? Mr. O'Donnell: We were getting complaints and we were having people come onto the County beaches and soliciting for business - Time shares, jet skiis, boat rides, ultra lights. With the ultra lights, one fellow was selling Tee shirts for $30 and if you bought the Tee shirt you got a ride on the ultra light. Mr. Mueller: They were even coming up into the parking area and bathrooms at Tigertail Beach for time share solicitation. Mr. O'Donnell: We were getting a lot of calls and felt the easiest way to deal with it was to make sure the person is licensed. We make our concessionaires go through an extensive review process and feel it would be fair for everyone. They have to mmet insurance requirements, have a chase boat, a land based operation connected with their location on the beach, radio communication. A concessionaire is basically anyone that rents out equipment. Mr. McQuillin: What if someone only wants to pass out time share solicitation certificates? When is this going to go before BCC? Mr. O'Donnell: The 28th of February because we have had to have this published for advertisement purposes. Request for copies of the proposed ordinance. Mr. McQuillin: While we are waiting, let us go on to the Submerged Land Lease. V.- B. Mr. Crawford: This is quite routine, is required by the State for docking facilities at Caxambas, a standard State agreement. Basically it is handled through the County's Engineering Department. It is for an annual lease and is paid for by the Concessionaire, and is something required if one is using State waters. Mr. Smith: In 1983 an agreement was made to put in floating docks that are in State waters. DER leased the amount of land that is being utilized. The fee is $225 a year, a five year lease, and this is just renewing that lease agreement. MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RENEWAL OF THE SUBMERGED LAND LEASE AGREEMENT - made by Mr. Mueller. Seconded: Mr. Kobza. Approved 3-0. Mr. McQuillin: Lets go back to the proposed ordinance again. Mr. O'Donnell: First couple of pages specify the intent, pages 2 to 4 definitions, page 5 regulation of use and conduct on the beach. Again some of these things are already in existing codes and are being coordinated in one ordinance. Soliciting and canvassing, over night camping, swimmers staying out of vessel corridor areas, keep swimmers separate from boats. Buoys to outline these corridors will not be placed everywhere but only at particular beach areas. Sound Amplification - this ties into an ordinance the County is drafting. The Sheriff's Department has the equipment to monitor this. Section 6, Vessel Regulation, Operation of vessel in excess of idle speed and vessel corridor area - useful at Tigertail. Mr. Crawford: In addition 5 3A is going to be expanded to any other park areas. Mr. Kobza: It clearly applies to all County parks. It applies to Tigertail, Vanderbilt, Clam Pass Beaches, but does it apply to Vanderbilt Inn and other hotels - are we saying that in these areas these restrictions apply? Mr. Crawford: Yes, not included are the incorporated areas of the City of Naples. Mr. Kobza: County beaches, Keewaydin Island - everyone takes their boats over there - how are you going to enforce it? Mr. O'Donnell: Certain areas we will not be as concerned about as others. It gives us the flexibility to do it if we need to do it. Complaints were that wildcatters were coming in, parking offshore, and renting jet skiis. You cannot do that unless you get a license. One requirement is for a land based operation. Hotels do not want anyone doing this if they can prevent it. Non County areas will be through the Sheriff's Department. Now if the Ritz wanted to call in a complaint we could do something about it. There was staff concern about preventing someone from operating if equipment is used in unsafe manner. It also addresses ultra lights, stops them from landing and taking off on beach areas within 500 feet of the shoreline. Hope that word is going to get out on it. Marco Condo Association is in support of it - will have a lot of self policing - Parks and Rec would be responsible for enforcement at County beach areas, we will have more rangers and also have the cooperation of concessionaires. Mr. Mueller: I cannot imagine living near the beach and not approving it. The bottom line is how are these things going to be enforced? Mr. O'Donnell: The Sheriff's Department say nothing is on the books so they cannot stop them and cannot do anything about it now. The Sheriff's Department can go to the ordinance and follow up on that type of complaint - our Rangers can go out there - but they need the tools to do it. Mr. Mueller: Some of these things to be enforced - drinking in County parking lots three or four in the morning - they do it now. Mr. Crawford: I will be meeting with Lt. McGuire on Marco regarding the security of Tigertail Beach and see what is presently . . . .Mr. Mueller: Tigertail Beach Association has met with them for the last four years with no results. Mr. Crawford: We will give Lt. McGuire an opportunity to address those issues in terms of approach. If the legislature approves the Park Ranger enforcement, County staff will have the opportunity to enforce this ordinance. Mr. Mueller: The Park Ranger is doing an excellent job. Mr. O'Donnell: One of the things is that we have a new Sheriff and this gives him the ability to go to the ordinance. When he sees the overwhelming support he will set a high priority in the community. Mr. Mueller: We need to get more groups to support it. Marco Tax Payers Association has a meeting coming up. Mr. Kobza: I second what Gil has said. It is long over due and I am happy to see us doing this. Probably I am being a little more critical being an attorney. 1. What are we trying to accomplish and 2 . Can we do it? It is very broad in some areas and we do not want to do things we do not want to do. On page 5 - animals - what about people going out to Kewaydin, they put dogs in the boat - and other fairly remote beaches? Mr. O'Donnell: The Attorney's office said it will be under County jurisdiction. It will be necessary for the officer to see the violation. Mr. Kobza: That means there will be no dogs on the boats in the County? Mr. O'Donnell: Animals are already banned at Vanderbilt and Tigertail. Mr. Smith: Animal Control has an ordinance that says no animals allowed on County Beaches. Mr. Crawford: There will be judgment decisions in terms of enforcement - highly concentrated areas versus remote areas. Mr. O'Donnell: The proposed ordinance was written with a broad base. Mr. Mueller: You will have to 6 receive a complaint before enforcement. Mr. Kobza: Overnight camping - remote beaches where people do camp. Again in scope are we trying to prevent someone from taking their boat to Kewaydin and setting up a tent? Mr. O'Donnell: I think Kewaydin is going to be a big exception to the rule, but it had to be written in to cover it. We have received a few complaints about people sleeping on the beach near condos, etc. We will need a complaint and then respond. Mr. Kobza: In practice we are adopting an ordinance and that we may or may not be around 10 years from now - we want to make sure that it sayas exactly what we want it to say. An officer is going to Kewaydin to answer complaints on the beach? Mr. O'Donnell: If there are complaints, the officer should have the ability to do it. Mr. Mueller: I have not heard of any complaints in non-populated areas. Mr. O'Donnell: There will no special beach patrol but if we do start getting complaints we need something on the books. Mr. Mueller: Have the Commissioners seen this? Mr. O'Donnell: Commissioner Shanahan has. The other Commissioners went over all the highlights back in August, and they do have a copy. Mr. Kobza: Page 6 and 7, what are the requirements for someone to become a licensed concessionaire? Just a suggestion, should be cross referenced so we know what type of license they are talking about. Mr. O'Donnell: It would be used to control the concessionaires and also the condo associations; we know where they are going to be. Mr. Kobza: It gives us a way of keeping track. Mr. O'Donnell: Yes, and also would have safety mechanisms. Mr. Kobza: Page 7, have any goods been sold off the beach? Mr. O'Donnell: Yes, primarily time share. It extends to any beach. A beach vendor permit would be issued by the tax collector's office and they would have to meet the requirements on page 9 and 10. You need to have a bond and occupational license. The County Attorney's office put a great deal of time into this ordinance and what he feels is there is enforceable. Mr. Kobza: Regarding beach solicitation, I am questioning on all beaches and all types of solicitation on private beaches. Mr. O'Donnell: Complaints about private beach areas were brought to us by citizens. We felt this was the way of handling it - making it County wide. Mr. Kobza: I am questioning preventing all types of solicitation. It appears you can get a license to hand out a hand bill - what about politicians? Mr. O'Donnell: That is not covered by this. Mr. Kobza: I am going to support it but my comment would be I would like to see the County Attorney taking a look at apply to licensure of solicitation. Ideally we want to be fair in our approach to everyone. Mr. McQuillin: You refer to a possible conflict with obtaining licenses. Page 9 - Veach Vendor Permit - you must obtain an occupational license but to obtain an occupational license you must have a current valid beach license. I would have some objections to this: 1. It is a very general type of ordinance. 2 . Talking about intent - 10 years from now? 3 . Much imput by people going to be affected by it other than complaints? I would like to have imput from people who have a financial interest in it. I have not noticed solicitation on City beaches and I am not aware of all problems so I do not like to just get imput from complainers. Mr. O'Donnell: We have also talked to our concessionaires. Mr. McQuillin: Yes, but they are the peple with the licenses and are being rewarded by it. Mr. Mueller: From whom would you like this imput? Mr. McQuillin: I am not sure. People want to take dogs to Keewaydin and why should people be made criminals if we are not going to enforce it? Mr. O'Donnell: Dogs running at large are already illegal . Mr. Mueller: From whom would you like imput then? Mr. McQuillin: Anyone that has 7 another side. Mr. O'Donnell: This is published for a public hearing and will be on the 28th BCC agenda, and is scheduled as a public hearing issue. We have contacted the hotels through the Hotel/Motel Association, and they have indicated support of it. Mr. Kobza: It is when we are trying to enforce it is when affected parties show up. It is in our interest if we can make direct contacts. Mr. McQuillan: I think it is too broad and too general and if you are not going to enforce ordinances, why have it? Mr. Mueller: That is the way laws are written - broad scope and be enforced on more logical lines. Mr. McQuillin: It does not mean that we cannot do it another time. We need to keep moving forward on this. We can have a motion to recommend this ordinance for BCC approval, or we could have another meeting. Does anyone want to make a motion? Mr. Kobza: What if we were to have a meeting and try to get the public involved? Mr. McQuillin: I do not intend to endorse it myself. We can only deal with what is in the best interest of the tax payers. We can only give them as much help as we can. If we want to have a special meeting we could do that. Mr. Kobza: Do you think that it is that important? Mr. McQuillin: I think it could be if the right person got arrested for having a dog on Keewaydin. I think it will go before the Board and a lot of people from the condo associations and hotel, motel people will vote in favor of the ordinance, but I do not want to go on record as being in favor of it. Many people in my area would not be in favor of an ordinance that would make criminals out of people when they are not going to enforce it. Mr. Kobza: I would support in the form of a motion, not necessrily an endorsement on all of the language, but I would support the types of things we are trying to do with a review of the items that we have discussed. I think it is a little general. We need this ordinance, I think we need to address these concerns. Mr. McQuillin: Those are valid concerns. Maybe it could be broken down in separate parts. Mr. Mueller: I agree with Kim, not having had a chance to really read this in its entirety. Basically I think it is a good ordinance and I will review it this evening. Mr. Kobza: Has this been taken down to Vanderbilt Beach Inn? Mr. O'Donnell: I gave it to Mr. Prado when this was being discussed and have kept him informed. The president of the Hotel/Motel Association is to receive imput. I asked Mr. Prado to place it on the hotel/motel agenda and he assured me they would be taking it up. Mr. Kobza: Mr. Prado is from the Registry and we have a County park there. I would like to know what Vanderbilt Beach Inn thinks and they may have imput that I am not aware of. Mr. Mueller: Some may have strong objections but I cannot think of anyone offhand. Mr. Kobza: Marco is different. This ordinance for Marco probably works very well, but what I am getting hung up on is the type of things that affect other areas of the County and I want to make sure it works for them. We have a motion out there and the type of motion that I would support would be one that in conception supports an adoption of an ordinance, but this language is not the one that I am sure of. Mr. McQuillin: The other alternatives are that we could have another meeting before the 28th, could make some suggestions to the BCC. I would like definitely to go into into it in more detail at a PARAB meeting. It all depends on what commitment you want to make and how much time you want to spend on it. Both sides are not represented, it is very broad, and there are beaches I would not want this to apply to. I do not like the idea of an ordinance we do not intend to enforce or cannot successfully. Mr. O'Donnell: It is not fair to say we will not enforce the ordinance. The Sheriff's Department will enforce it to the best of their ability 8 if it is passed by the BCC. Mr. McQuillin: You were the one that brought up the fact that these things might not be enforced. Mr. O'Donnell: It will be a judgment call on behalf of the officer. You cannot draft an ordinance applicable in certain parts of the County when you have problems in all parts of the County. Mr. Mueller: Perhaps your suggestion of another meeting would be a good idea. Mr. Kobza: I am in favor of that. I would like to have all the facts to make a good analytical decision. I do not want to get locked into a decision that will come back to haunt us. MOTION WITHDRAWN. Date of special meeting set for February 21, 8:30 am at Parks and Recreation Department. Mr. Crawford: Mr. Holley indicated interest in establishing a meeting between the City of Naples and the County Parks and Recreation Advisory Board to discuss those items that are demographic for both County and City. Mr. Kobza City should have a consistent ordinance between the City and County as far as the beaches go. Mr. Crawford: If you have that interest, bring it to our attention and set a target date, topics, etc. They would like your thoughts on that, and if positive, to go ahead and try to structure a joint board meeting. Topics could be the school systems, regulatory issues, Comp Plan, etc. Mr. McQuillin: That is a good point, especially the School Board. I am not sure how formal of a setting that can be - we could always get ideas. Mr. Crawford: I do not know their board members, but in terms of scope of service and operation the City probably has limited knowledge of County services. It would be a starting point to know what each is doing. I do not think it is to uncommon on an informal basis to discuss items. We are simply insuring good communications, addressing concerns that may concern all of us. We are both looking for resources, increasing state resource allocation, beach renourishment. Those things have a very common demoninator. Mr. Kobza: MOTION WOULD BE TO REQUEST MR. CRAWFORD TO CONTACT MR HOLLEY TO ESTABLISH A POSSIBLE AGENDA FOR ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION. I think this is what Scott was saying, we have limited time and should spend that time productively. Impact fees would be another item. Mr. Mueller: Seconded. Approved 3-0 . VI. B. Everglades City Approval of Interlocal Agreement - This agreement was the same as the agreement with the City of Naples for collecting impact fees. The BCC pre-approved it and it was approved by Everglades City. VI. C. Draft Interlocal Agreement for Immokalee Middle School Land Swap. Copies had been distributed; it was drafted by Dave Weigel and approved by Jim Siesky. Mr. Kobza requested that any new applications for the vacant position be forwarded to the current Board members as soon as received. If possible, applicants will be at the next meeting for interviews. Mr. Mueller was concerned about the small number of people responding to the bid for the new ballfield at Golden Gate Community Park. It was the opinion of some that the County is slow paying and deters people from bidding. Mr. Crawford: That probably has some merit on small projects. Larger projects have a special draw in bids and they are paid every 30 days. Mr. Mueller: So it is not necessarily true these two people would not bid due to that fact. Contractors are paid every 30 days. Mr. Crawford: The bids include how they are going to 9 be paid - it is 30 days on the larger projects. From the time the contractor submits his bills it is usually a two week period. East Naples Community Park - contractor submits a pay request through the supervisor on site, he signs off, it is sent to Engineer of Record - Wilson Miller. Wilson, Miller sents it to us to initial and then to the Finance Department for payment. Mr. Kobza: In the County there is a reason that it costs us so much; more in the public sector than in the private sector. As a County we need to examine how we may improve the interface between us and the contractors out there, and examine some of the things we require, and ask if it adds to the cost are these things really necessary? Mr. Crawford: The County Manager has established a new division, Mike Arnold will be in charge, to keep track of these capital projects and see that they are completed on a timely basis. Mike will be looking at that whole whole process - there are some things that add to the cost, insurance costs are higher than the private sector, and the cost is built in. We are living in a small community and do not have a diversified base. More money is to be made by the contractor in the private sector and with all the construction going on they are where the money is. In a smaller community you do not have the large contracators available; we have tried to look outside the local area to find contractors. Copies of Ordinances 81-11 and 85-6, which will be repealed by this proposed ordinance are to be sent to Board members for the meeting on February 21st. Mr. Kobza to abstain from comments and voting on matters concerning Bluebill Boat Ramp as he is a property owner in that location. Meeting adjourned at 10: 30 AM. 921 10 P R E S S R E L E A S E Rtce l, ,IL FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MARCH 13 , 1989 The Collier County Parks and Recreation Advisory Board has a vacant position to be filled by a resident and elector of District Five, which includes Immokalee and portions of Golden Gate Estates . The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board advises the County Commission on matters pertaining to the acquisition, development and programs involving the County' s park facilities. Citizens interested in applying for the Collier County Parks and Recreation Advisory Board are requested to submit a letter and a brief resume to the attention of Mrs. Nancy Israelson, Administrative Assistant, Board of County Commissioners, 3301 Tamiami Trail East , Naples, Florida 33962-4978 . The deadline for acceptance of resumes is April 3 , 1989 . For additional information, contact Mrs. Israelson at 774-8097 . Post-it'routing request pad 7664 ROUTING - REQUEST Please READ To I HANDLE APPROVE r and 7 /Mr I FORWARD Aglow I I RETURN I KEEP OR DISCARD I REVIEW WITH ME Date3 ( From 41-D J 11\ 1 FEB ; JX989 U Loy FEBRUARY 9, 1989 TO: BARBARA JOHNSON — t _c) FR: LEON WILLIAMS - =— ._ . RE: PARKS AND RECREATIONS ADVISORY BOARD COMMITTEE ---' C: L DEAR MS. JOHNSON I REGRET TO HAVE TO INFORM YOU THAT I WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD COMMITTEE. I HAVE A FULL TIME JOB WITH THE C.U.R.E ORGANIZATION OF COLLIER COUNTY. PLEASE EXCEPT THIS LETTER OF RESIGNATION, ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. LEON WILLIAMS