A&SDS Ad Hoc Minutes 09/17/2014 September 17, 2014
MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE
DESIGN STANDARDS AD HOC COMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, September 17, 2014
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Architectural and Site Design
Standards Ad Hoc Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 2:30 PM in a REGULAR SESSION at the Growth
Management Division Building, Room 609/610 2800 N. Horseshoe Drive, Naples, FL
with the following persons present:
Rocco Costa, AIA
James Boughton, AIA
Kathy Curatolo, Collier Building Industry Association (Excused)
Dalas Disney, AIA
Bradley Schiffer, AIA
Dominick Amico, P.E.
Ron Waldrop, P.E (Excused)
ALSO PRESENT: Caroline Cilek, Senior Planner/LDC Manager
Stefanie Nawrocki, Planner
Matt McLean, Principal Project Manager
Madeline Bunster, Architect
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Any person in need of a verbatim record of the meeting may request a copy of the audio recording from the
Collier County Growth Management Division, Department of Planning and Zoning.
• Call to Order
Mr. Costas called the meeting to order at 2:34pm and a quorum was established.
Mr. Schiffer moved to approve the Agenda. Second by Mr. Boughton. Carried unanimously 5—0.
• Meeting Minutes—June 30,2014 and July 29,2014
Mr. Schiffer moved to approve the minutes of the June 30, 2014 and the July 29, 2014 meeting as
presented. Second by Mr.Amico. Carried unanimously 5—0.
• Next Meeting Date
• Available Dates to Meet -Doodle Results
The next meeting will be held on October 10, 2014 from 9:30 to 12:00pm.
• Review of materials
• Architectural Comparison Chart
None
• Continue run-through of section 5.05.08
Ms. Cilek provided a copy of the Draft for review. She reported the purpose of the meeting was
to continue review of the draft LDC Amendment and not discuss follow ups on other prior
Sections. The Committee resumed their review on page 28, Section 5.05.08.E.5 and provided
the following actions/comments as indicated below.
Section 5.05.08.E.5.a -Drive Thru Facility Standards
The Committee discussed the rationale for the location of drive thru's and whether they should
be permitted on the front of buildings. Currently they are permitted on the sides and rear, with
the front requiring an"exception." Examples were given where the facilities are located within
commercial developments on the "front" of buildings but adequately landscaped to reduce visual
impacts.
The Committee requested Staff to clarify the requirements for an "exception"and when the
facilities are permitted on the front of a building.
Section 5.05.08.E.5.b—Required Floor Area
Committee discussion occurred on the rationale for the requirement of a minimum 1,000 square
foot building for a drive thru facility.
Most members felt the requirement should be eliminated as it prohibits business development,
especially given the growing trends in technology whereby small stand alone drive thru
businesses could be developed (i.e. ATM machines). In addition, there is a substantial impact
fee ($150,000) associated with a drive thru and the County may be foregoing potential revenue.
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Mr. Schiffer noted removal of the criteria would allow"pop up" structures and expressed
concern that these types of facilities may proliferate in areas negatively impacting the aesthetic
character of commercial neighborhoods and developments.
Mr. Boughton moved to delete second sentence "Buildings must be a minimum of 1,000
square feet." Second by Mr. Costas. Motion carried 4 "yes"—1 "no." Mr. Schiffer voted
"no."
The Committee reported the justification for the action was, a minimum standard is not
necessary as long as the building conforms to all other site planning requirements.
Mr. Schiffer reported his "no"vote was predicated on the premise a drive through operation
should be secondary to a primary use, not a stand alone business.
Mr. Schiffer recommended Staff review the languages in Section 5.05.08.E.5.to ensure it does
not conflict with the change proposed by the Committee.
5.05.08.E.6—Lighting
The Committee discussed the term"glare" and how to regulate it given the broad definition of
the term found in the dictionary.
Mr. Costas noted it may be prudent to develop criteria to address the definition so design
professionals have a clear intent of the requirements of the Section.
Others noted there are standards available in publications which are intended to guide
professionals in designing projects (i.e. Illumination Engineering Society Lighting Handbook).
5.05.08.E.6.e -Illumination
Mr. Costas moved to amend the text in line 5 from "local lighting that defines the space
without glare"to "local lighting that defines the space." Second by Mr. Schiffer. Carried
unanimously 5—0.
The Committee reported the standard is already identified in Section 5.05.08.6.b.
5.05.08.E.7—Water Management Areas
Mr.Amico moved to amend line 1 to read "Water Management Areas in buffer areas. For
design standards for water management areas in buffer areas..." Second by Mr. Schiffer.
Carried unanimously 5— 0.
The Committee reported the proposed language provides clarification on when the
requirements are applied.
Section 5.05.08.F.5.a.i—Architectural Arbitration Board
The Committee noted they have previously approved removal of Staff from the Board due to
their conflict of interest.
Public Speaker
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Alexis Crespo recommended a land use planner be assigned to the Board.
Mr. Amico recommended a Civil Engineer sit on the Board.
The remaining members of the Committee noted requests for deviations, alternative design
considerations, etc. usually address building design and/or aesthetic issues as opposed to site
design issues and it would be prudent to retain the recommended composition of membership.
It was noted the Section, as currently proposed does not require "licensed" professionals to serve
on the Board.
Discussion occurred on the following topics:
• Would it be advantageous (or does the Statute allow) for the Hearing Examiner to be
involved in the process, including overseeing the Board and its composition of
membership?
• Can the various professional organizations (AIA, AICP, ASLA, etc.) legally appoint
members to a County Board?
• Should the members be appointed by the Board of County Commissioners with specific
terms (i.e. 2 years) and operate similar to other Advisory Boards?
Mr.Amico moved to amend the Section to provide for an Arbitration Board comprised of 4
licensed Architects appointed by the American Institute of Architects (Southwest Florida
Chapter) and 1 licensed Landscape Architect appointed by the American Society of Landscape
Architects (Southwest Florida Chapter). Second by Mr. Schiffer. Carried unanimously 5— 0.
Staff reported they would review the questions posed by the Committee and report back on the
results..
Section 5.05.08F.4.a—Applicability of Deviations or Alternative Designs
Mr. Boughton expressed concern on prohibiting specific types of buildings (i.e. buildings in a
commercial zone over 10,000 sq. ft. on the ground floor, etc.) from the deviation process given it
discourages "alternative" design considerations for these structures.
Committee discussion occurred on if the process should be open to all uses governed under
Section 5.05.08.
It was noted applicants are required to provide justification for any deviation(s) and the
Arbitration Board ensures the overall goals of the Section are met.
Mr. Boughton moved to remove the requirements of the Section and clarify deviations or
alternative compliance is allowed for all building under the auspices of Section 5.05.08.
Second by Mr. Disney. Motion carried unanimously 5—0.
The Committee reported the justification for removing the restriction is it unfairly prohibits
certain uses from seeking deviations or alternative compliance with the Section.
5.05.08F - Deviations and Alternate Compliance
Discussion occurred on if the title of the Section should be changed to clarify its intent?
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Mr. Disney moved to amend the title of Section 5.05.08F to "Alternative Design Compliance."
Second by Mr. Costas. Motion carried 4 "yes"—1 "no." Mr. Schiffer voted "no."
The Committee reported the reason for the change is to clarify the intent of the Section
Mr. Schiffer expressed concern the changes may encourage applicants to bypass any
requirements of Section 5.05.08 and present "alternative designs" for consideration similar to the
process utilized under the concept of Design Review Boards.
The Committee recommended the Administrative Code be referenced in Section 5.05.05, where
necessary.
• Discuss plan for moving forward
Mr. Disney reported it may be prudent to address requirements for Automobile Service Stations
given recent comments offered at public meetings on a proposed amendment for the uses.
Ms. Cilek recommended the issue be directed to the Development Services Advisory Committee
whereby they could provide a recommendation on the item should they so choose.
The next meeting will be held on October 10, 2014 from 9:30 to 12:00pm.
3. Adjournment
Being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 4:34pm
Collier County Architectural and Site Design
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These minutes appfoved by the Board/Com 'tree/ airman/Vice Chairman on l c,/ (7 , 2014
as presented 11!! or as amended
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