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Minutes 06/10/1985 Naples, Florida, June 10, 1985 4 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board met in Special Session on this date at 9:00 A.M. in Building "F" of the Courthouse Complex, East Naples, CFlorida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Hank Caballero Ron Burton Steve Price Richard Myers (9: 10 A.M. ) Dan Monaco (9:10 A.M. ) ALSO PRESENT: Maureen Kenyon, Deputy Clerk; Tim Vanatta, Parks & Recreation Director; Pam Brangaccio, Deputy Assistant County Manager; Don Norton, Public Services Administrator ; and Murdo Smith, Assistant Parks & Recreation Director. AGENDA I. Call to Order II . Discussion of the Parklands Development III. Discussion of a Lease/Purchase Proposal for Lely Hibiscus and Golden Gate Golf Course IV. Review of Bid Tabulations for Park Maintenance Equipment DISCUSSION OF THE PARKLANDS DEVELOPMENT Mr. Wafaa Assaad, project planner for the Parklands Development, stated that this project consists of two sections of land located north of Quail Creek, 1/2 section in Lee County and 1-1/2 section in Collier County. He stated that the part that is in Lee County is located on Bonita Beach Road Extension, East of I-75 and the part that is in Collier County would be accessible by David C. Brown Highway. He stated that the project is a DRI and there will be 3, 700 dwelling units; 1, 290 are in Lee County and 2,410 are in Collier County. He noted that they are all residential units, low-rise, single-family and low-rise multi-family. He indicated that the site has been currently used for agriculture activities, adding that there is a half section in Collier County that has existing vegetation on it. He referred to the Master Plan for the development indicating that the light green area is an 18 hole golf course with Page 1 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 clubhouse facilities; the yellow area with the letter "S" stands for single-family development; the area in tan with the letter "M" stands for multi-family residential low-rise; Cthe areas in very dark green are remnants of what is wetlands; the area in light blue is intended to be part of the water management area and lakes; and the area is light green with the letter "P" indicates park sites and utility sites. He stated that there are two park sites, adding that the one by the Lee/Collier County line is intended to accommodate on-site water supplies, water treatment and sewer treatment facilities. He stated that it would also accommodate the amount of acreage needed for a park site. He reported that the half section in Lee County has the same type uses, multi-family, lakes, utilities, and parks, and a 10 acre shopping facility. He stated that the reason for the shopping facility is that it satisfies some of the on-site traffic and it would eliminate some of the need to go outside the property for shopping needs . He noted that the original proposal for the Parklands was presented with the intention of having everything under private control, adding that after working with Parks & Recreation and the Regional Planning Council, it was agreed that the park system would be public and a park site would be dedicated to Collier County. He stated that this was done by calculations according to the Comprehensive Plan, adding that it requires a donation of 2 acres of land for every 1,000 residents of population. He noted that the 2,410 units were multiplied by 2-1/2 persons per unit. He indicated that after this figure has been obtained there is also a list of credits that can be accumlated for recreational purposes . He stated that after all calculations, the requirement for the Parklands project is a donation of 7. 23 acres of land to the County. He stated that he is looking for the support of the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board. He noted that the park site would be combined with a school site and 20 acres will be donated to both agencies, adding that the park requirement will be fulfilled and the School Board will have the required land to construct an elementary school if it is deemed necessary. He referred to both park sites, adding that he would like the Page 2 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 Parks & Recreation support for the park site that is at the Lee/Collier line. He stated that this property was selected because this part of the property has some vegetation on it C and it would make the job of buffering from the residential use a lot easier and it offers the chance of adding to it on the east side of the property. He stated that he is asking for the approval of the offer as outlined. In answer to Mr. Myers, Mr. Assaad stated that they receive a forty percent credit for providing some .of the recreational uses on site. He stated that the more that is done for recreation, private or public, the more credits the project receives which reduces the amount of land that is required to be dedicated. Barbara Cacchione, Planner, referred to the point rating system in the Comprehensive Plan which is used to determine density within the urban area. She indicated that Page 29, #8 is an optional element which is up to the developer to increase his density by dedicating neighborhood parks to the County or a payment-in-lieu-of. She noted that on Page 31 the criter < has an optional element and this board is to be (:) the advisory board in implementing this, adding that it states that in residential development over 100 units, the developer can take advantage of this particular option. She noted that there are certain standards which determines the site selection, noting that it must be a minimum of five acres ; it should be located adjacent to an elementary school; the site must be suitable for recreational or park use and capable of immediate development or developed at a mutually agreed upon time; the site must be suitably located with respect to the surrounding developments that it serves; and direct access cannot be to a road classified as an arterial or larger. She stated that Page 32 talks about the payment-in-lieu-of dedication which usually occurs when the park land dedication is less than five acres . She stated that also on Page 32, #5 lists the facilities that are elgible for credits. She stated that with all the facilities that the Parklands will have, they ended up with a 40% credit. She noted that Page 33 shows how the percentage of credit is calculated. Page 3 L PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 Mr. Burton questioned if it is possible to have combination of both alternatives where the County would have the option to accept the park land at a later date or if the QBCC deems it in the best interest to accept a payment-in-lieu instead? Planner Cacchione stated that would be up to the BCC to decide, adding that it has to be determined that the County either receives the park or the payment . Mr. Burton stated that it may not be in the best interest five years from now for the County to have the park, and could the County have that option at a later date? Mr. Assaad stated that it has been discussed with Staff and the developer is in agreement with making a payment-in- lieu-of with two conditions, which are that it be mutually agreeable to the County and to the developer and that the 7. 23 acres of land is part of the elementary school site. He said if there is payment-in-lieu-of and the School Board insists on getting 20 acres of land, then the developer would be giving 20 acres plus payment. He stated that if the County and the School Board make a decision within a certain Cperiod of time that there is no desire to obtain the park site, the developer will be glad to make payment-in-lieu of for the 7. 23 acres of land provided that it is mutually acceptable between the County and the Developer. Mr. Myers questioned if the park development would have any timing effect on how the phases would work, to which Mr. Assaad stated that he is suggesting a time period of seven years because it is more convenient for the street system to be extended to the park after the first phase of development . He noted that this would put it beyond five years and he would also have enough time to develop the Comprehensive Plan and give the County ample time along with the School Board if there is a need for an elementary school or a need for a park. He stated that seven years is not a certain time, adding that anything over five years is fine. He referred to a map indicating the first and second phase of the project. Mr. Assaad stated that he would like to have a recommendation from the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board accepting his offer, which is to dedicate to Collier County Page 4 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 7. 23 acres of land for the use of a park site in conjunction with an elementary school site which will have a total of approximately 20 acres of land which will be located in the (;) northeast part of Parklands, adding that the County will have, along with the School Board, an option to receive payment-in-lieu-of within seven years from the date of the BCC approval, provided it is mutually acceptable to all parties concerned. Mr. Myers moved, seconded by Mr. Monaco and carried 4/0, (Mr. Monaco out of the room) , that the offer outlined by Mr. Assaad regarding the Parklands dedication be recommended for approval. DISCUSSION OF A LEASE/PURCHASE PROPOSAL FOR LELY HIBISCUS AND GOLDEN GATE GOLF COURSE Mr. Hank Caballero stated that the primary reason of this meeting is because of the findings of the ad-hoc committee within the last few weeks. Parks & Recreation Director Vanatta stated that there are three proposals; the first one is from Lely Hibiscus Golf Course only and does not include the 7.9 acre site; the Csecond one is from Lely Hibiscus Golf Course plus the additional 7.9 acre site where the existing clubhouse now stands; and the third proposal is from the Golden Gate Country Club which includes the golf course, the driving range, 40-45 electric carts, 40 hand carts, maintenance barn and equipment, cart sheds for approximately 70 carts and approximately one-half of the clubhouse, which includes the pro shop. He stated that Staff tried to come up with an actual operational plan for each of the set-ups, which include contingent upon the physical set-up, renovation cost, mobile operation, or take over of existing facilities . He reported that the Lely Hibiscus, without the 7.9 acres of land, would require bringing in a mobile operation to operate the pro shop area and a tent operation to house the carts . He reported that the Lely Hibiscus, including the 7.9 acres of land, would cost approximately $165,000 for renovation which would free up the other site for a potential driving range and elimination of part of the parking lot on the far side. He noted that Golden Gate Country Club golf course is Page 5 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD ' JUNE 10, 1985 a turn-key operation, adding that it would not have to include any renovation of clubhouses or bringing in anything for that matter. He stated that it was difficult to compare the three as they are all a little different . He stated that he had outside sources give an estimate on what it would cost to bring the Golden Gate golf course up to an acceptable standard as compared to the Lely Hibiscus course. He referred to the three year revenue/expenditure figures for the three proposals based on 40, 000, 45,000, and 50, 000 rounds of golf. He stated that the capital improvement cost is not included in the revenue/expenditure figures because it is only a one time fixed figure. He referred to the resident and non-resident greens and cart fees that the ad-hoc committee finalized, adding that the non-resident fees are considered those people that live outside of Collier County. He noted that the average greens fees throughout the course of the year would be $10.00 for residents and $12. 66 for non-residents; the cart fees would be $6. 33 for a total of $16. 33 for a resident and $19.00 for a non-resident. He noted that the lease at this point in time for the golf flior course only at Lely is $100, 000; the Lely golf course and the 7.9 acres is $167, 000 per year ; and the Golden Gate site is $144, 000 per year. Mr. Caballero questioned if the amount of the lease each year will be applied toward the purchase price or if some credit will be given, to which Mr. Vanatta stated that they are all open to further negotiations as far as part of the lease payment being applied toward the purchase price. Mr. Price questioned if these golf course are operating with a profit, to which Mr. Vanatta stated that he does not know what the overhead is or the operation. Mr. Domenic D'Agostino, owner of Golden Gate Country Club, stated that there was some profit shown. Mr. Price indicated that if only some profit was shown, it was because upkeep was neglected and the profit was taken out . Mr. Vanatta stated that the ad-hoc committee came up with three different proposals but they did not make a recommendation as to which proposal to go with. Mr. Caballero stated that the charge to the ad-hoc Page 6 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 committee was to run a feasibility report to see what was available from the courses that have been mentioned, adding that they felt it was not their position to say which golf course the County should lease/purchase. In answer to Mr. Price regarding the amount of rounds of golf played, Mr. Vanatta stated that an unknown variable was the number of rounds versus green fees, adding that the committee dealt with that from the first day and they felt comfortable with anywhere from 40, 000 to 50, 000 rounds. He noted that the National Golf Foundation seems to think that this is a very conservative figure. Mr. Price stated that if there is a $100,000 profit to be made, and the lease is $100, 000, this would mean a profit to Lely Hibiscus of $200,000 a year and if this is the case, why are they letting the County have that opportunity instead of them taking the opportunity themselves? He noted that he is skeptical of the whole situation, adding that he has yet to see a County government that is more effective than a private business enterprise in terms of creating a profit. Mr. Myers questioned if the County would derive the Cincome from the driving range for the Golden Gate Country Club, to which Mr. D'Agostino replied affirmatively. Mr . Myers stated that there is some income from the sale of golf balls and clubs and questioned where it is defined in the lease? Mr. Vanatta stated that this is in the lease and the detailed budgets that have been worked out include profits from the pro shop, concession operations, an option for the County to purchase a license to sell beer, driving range, etc. which is contingent on the set-up for each proposal. The following people spoke against the lease/purchase of Lely Hibiscus golf course: Bob Cole Elsie Dee Joe Williams Tony Giordano Louis Dee Bill Norman Jeanne Brooker Carson McEachern Jack Breeden Mr. Sal Forlani, partner in Golden Gate Country Club, stated that with reference to the concern of the public regarding the deed restrictions, the only deed restriction is Page 7 f PARRS &" RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 that the golf course remain public. He noted that with regards to the course itself, a sprinkler system has been put in about a month ago and there have been chemicals and 4:) fertilizer applied to the course, adding that it is starting to get back into shape. Mr. Price moved, seconded by Mr. Caballero, that the three proposals be rejected. Mr. Burton questioned if one of these three proposals have to be recommended to the County Commissioners or can an alternative be recommended? Mr. Caballero stated that the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board needs to either pass one of these proposals or reject them. Upon call for the question, the motion failed 2/3, (Mr. Monaco, Mr. Myers, and Mr. Burton opposed) . Mr. Burton moved that Lease Option #1 regarding Lely Hibiscus golf course, which does not include the 7.9 acre site, be recommended and that the purchase option include the 4 7.9 acre clubhouse site at the end of the three years at the i present purchase price that has been offered. Mr. Caballero stated that proposal would mean that tents and mobile homes would be put in Lely for a period of three years . Mr. Burton withdrew his motion. Mr. Monaco stated that it seems obvious to him that the Lely situation has strong opposition to it, adding that they have valid reasons . He stated that maybe Staff should negotiate further with the owners of the Golden Gate golf course and come up with a more defined lease/purchase agreement . He stated that every community has a municipal golf course, adding that he would like to see one in Collier County. Mr. Forlani stated that he would be willing to talk with Mr. Vanatta again regarding a lease option, adding that he does not understand why the County would not want to walk into a turn-key operation. He stated that everything is available at the Golden Gate course to immediately carry on an on-going operation. He noted that the prices that are on the report to get Golden Gate into shape are not true, adding that those prices were provided by the most expensive golf Page 8 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 course builders in the country. He stated that an automatic sprinkler has been put in for the front 9 holes and all the fertilizer and chemicals have been put down in the last two weeks. He stated that he does not understand how this could be voted against, adding that he is willing to give half the clubhouse, the pro shop, driving range, and a facility for 70 golf carts which makes a complete facility. He stated that he is trying to be civic minded, adding that the Colr=ty needs a public golf course. Mr. Myers stated that he believes that there is sufficient evidence to support the possibility of the County owning a golf course. He stated that he does not feel that the Lely golf course should even be considered. He indicated that the Golden Gate golf course may have some drawbacks, but they could be overcome. He noted that he felt that Golden Gate golf course could be a better dollar standpoint from a lease position and give the County an opportunity of running a successful golf course, adding that he favors the Golden Gate lease. Mr. Myers moved, seconded by Mr. Monaco, that the Golden Gate lease offer be accepted with the suggestion that the County Commissioners pursue a more defined lease agreement and that the lease term be for a per*od of 3 years. Mr. Monaco questioned if Mr. Forlani and his people would be willing to stay on in an advisory capacity, to which Mr. Forlani replied that they would be more than happy to do so. Mr. Burton stated that he feels that this course is going to be very costly to bring up to standards, adding that he thinks that the figures of Wadsworth Golf Construction Company are very realistic. He noted that there were also figures obtained from two other people with the prices being basically the same. Mr. Vanatta stated that comparing golf courses is like night and day. He noted that in this case they were com- paring Golden Gate golf course to Lely golf course, adding that Wadsworth Golf Construction Company is probably 10-20% higher than anyone else. He stated that he would be glad to have someone else look at it, but the problem with the Page 9 PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10 1985 1711 committee is that there is no money available to hire professionals. He stated that the ideal situation would be to have the facilities of the Golden Gate Country Club and 4:) the golf course of the Lely Hibiscus . Mr . Price stated that if the prices for the Golden Gate golf course are way out of line, let the people that think so come back with some firm figures that they will guarantee which will resolve the whole issue. He stated that this could also be done by the owners and then the County could lease it. He stated that he is concerned that the users are not here, adding that if there is such an interest for a golf course, the people that are interested should be at the meetings. He stated that he feels that the $8 million park bond issue should be resolved first and then if there are other needs, those can be looked into at a later time. He stated that this type of expenditure is going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money and the County could take a financial bath. He stated that because of location, Golden Gate is a better offer but there are not good numbers available, adding that there are too many unanswered (7.) questions to make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners. Mr. Caballero stated that he believes the citizens of Collier County have been shortchanged for many years as far as Parks & Recreation is concerned. He stated that the people wanted the parks referendum and after almost four years, there are still no physical structures in the parks, adding that every bit of the money will be used and the parks will still only be about 35-40% complete. He stated that these parks will have to be built in phases because there is not enough money. He reported that he believes that Collier County should have a municipal golf course someday, but park priorities should be taken care of first and the five community parks should be completed first, adding that this is a stand he must take for the citizens of the County. Upon call for the question; the motion failed 3/1, (Mr. Price, Mr. Burton, and Mr. Caballero opposed and Mr. Monaco was out of the room at this time. ) Mr. Burton stated that he does not feel that the golf Page 10 ose rl. PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 course has to be self-supporting, adding that golf courses that are public are under Parks & Recreation and they are not expected to make money. He stated that the County should 4:) look at a golf course as part of the Parks system and not try to make money, but to supply the community with what they need. Mr. Myers moved, seconded by Mr. Monaco and carried unanimously, that the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board suggest to the Board of County Commissioners that there is no interest In the lease/purchase agreement regarding the Lely 0 Hibiscus golf course. Mr. Myers asked if there is a need for a golf course and Golden Gate is a consideration, what would entice the members to vote for it? Mr. Burton indicated that if the owners of Golden Gate golf course were to have reputable people look at the course and come up with figures that could be guaranteed, then the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board could make a decision based on those figures. Mr. Myers moved, seconded by Mr. Burton and carried 4/0, ak (Mr. Price had left the meeting) that the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board recommend to the BCC that Staff be directed to negotiate further with Golden Gate Country Club regarding firm figures on maintenance or upgrading of conditions of the golf course and to possibly bring back the Golden Gate proposal. Mr. Burton moved, seconded by Mr. Monaco and carried 3/1, (Mr. Myers opposed and Mr. Price had left the meeting) , that the BCC recommend that Staff investigate any and all valid golf course offers in Collier County. REVIEW OF BID TABULATIONS FOR PARK MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT Murdo Smith, Superintendent of Parks, stated that he received proposals from two companies to purchase a reel mower for cutting bermuda grass and two athletic field conditioners for maintenance on ballfields. He referred to a memo from the Fleet Management Director indicating that they recommend that the bid for the Smithco athletic field conditioners be rejected due to high maintenance and difficulty in obtaining parts. He also noted that they would Page 11 imilimmommumwmpummo err PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD JUNE 10, 1985 recommend the Toro 81 versus the Jacobsen riding reel mower y 4 due to poor maintenance history and availability of parts . He noted that similar type of equipment from Honda could be 4:) obtained which is less costly and durable with parts readily available. He stated that he is asking for recommendation to reject the Smithco bid, to check into other alternatives, and to recommend the Toro riding reel mower versus the Jacobsen. Mr. Burton moved, seconded by Mr. Myers and carried 4/0, (Mr. Price left the meeting) , that the recommendation as set forth by Mr. Murdo Smith be approved. There being no further business to come before the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board, the meeting was adjourned by Order of the Chair - Time: 11: 30 A.M. PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD '.3 Hank Caballero, Chairman 1 1 i a 0 1 Page 12 1 DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS CItem IV. A. Discussion of Marco Island Community Park On June 25, 1985, the referendum for financing the complete Marco Island Community Park was defeated. The sub-committee, chaired by PARAB member Ron Burton, met on June 28th to discuss new strategy of the community park. Mr. Burton submitted to my office a summary of that meeting (see attached) and requested this item be placed on the July 18th PARAB agenda. Item IV. B. Status Report on golf course I have attached two new letters to both Golden Gate and Lely Hibiscus Golf Courses. Todate, Lely Hibiscus has not responded; I have attached Golden Gate's response. Consequently, no new figures have been worked up on the golf course. Item V. A. Review of bids for North Naples and Golden Gate Community Parks Bids were opened on July 3, 1985 for North Naples and Golden Gate Community Parks. The design team is in the process of reviewing those bids. An overview and recommendation will be presented to you at the meeting. Item V. B. Review of 1985/86 Budget I have provided an overview sheet of the staff's recommendation for the Department's operating budget for 1985/86. This sheet does not include any capital improvements, i.e. , bond money for development of community parks. I will attempt to give an overview of what these figures reflect. Ed Torroni and Murdo Smith will be present to give detailed information in regards to their respective sections. TSV:pc lbw 41111111111. 1" , - , mi. --..." ,- _- _. ... .. . 41. ,-:: ,j /%2°- t 1 //' . IBURTONS LANDSCAPE CO. .... sli f �' �;! P.O. BOX 1098 r- MARCO ISLAND, FL 33937 Ii" 813-394-0667 rye f July 9, 1985 I' t Mr. Tim Vanatta Collier County Government Parks & Recreation 3301 E. Tamiami Trail Naples, FL 33962 11)1 k ‘(\li ' Dear Tim: 1:11.1Attached is my letter in response to a letter written to the ) II Forum by Ted Ulmer on July 3 (a copy of that letter is also attached) . I would appreciate your reading both so that you ((iIii\s ha ve a better understanding of what is happening regarding iithe Marco park issue at this time. Also attached is an informal article written by the Marco Island Eagle staff. I believe we will be hearing from dissenting people at our fi (1' dvisory meeting and also the County Commission meeting on the 30th. Ronald Burton 1 Chairman of the Marco Island Parks and Recreation ( Advisory Board Board Subcommittee i , pn Ii 111 1 1 1\1( 1 1 1\ H11\\\‘ As Chairman of the Marco Island Parks Subcommittee, I would like to respond to Mr. Ted Ulmer's letter to the Public Forum on July 3, and offer some history and facts regarding the Marco Island Community Park. As a Subcommittee we tried to present to the community a Master Plan for the park that would meet the needs and wants of everyone on the island, not just a select group. After many meetings and much discussion from the public, we decided that the list of items in order of priority to be included in the park were as follows: 1 . Landscape package (to include maintenance facilities) 2. Civic Center 3. Recreational indoor facility 4. Outdoor recreational facilities a. Walking path - jogging b. Shuffleboard c. Outside basketball courts d. Tot park - playground e. Boating - swimming f. Picnic facilities g. Outdoor music facilities h. Open playing field i. Horseshoe pits j. Volleyball court k. Benches After coming up with this list, the Subcommittee then asked the planners to design the Master Plan for the park. Again, many meetings were held which were advertised and open to the public and, after some changes, we approved the final Master Plan. The Plan was then presented to the Parks Advisory Board for their recom- mendations at which time, in a public hearing, it was approved and sent along to the County Commission with the recommendation for approval. It then was presented to the Board of County Commissioners at a workshop meeting (which again was open to the public) before being formally intro- duced to the Commissioners. At the workshop meeting there was much discussion regarding our Plan. Some of the Commissioners were very concerned because they felt there was not enough recreational activities included in the Plan and indicated they would be opposed to the Plan as presented. Quickly we worked out a few changes that we felt would be acceptable to the Commissioners and the people of Marco Island. The changes in no way altered the Civic Center or the total cost of the park.: When the Plan was presented to the County Commission for their approval along with the minor changes, it was unanimously accepted by the County Commission. At that meeting there was again much discussion, and many people from the public expressed their opinions of the Plan. All were in support except for one person who felt he did not have an opportunity to have his say in the development of the Plan (which was hard to believe Page 2 after having so many public meetings, which he never attended, and so much reporting from the press). After the Commissioners' approval of the Plan, an informal committee made up of MITA and MICA members was set up in order to find the best way to try to implement the Plan. This committee consulted with me because of my Chairmanship of the Subcommittee. It was quickly realized that there was not enough money available to build the Community Center and that Phase I construction by the County would in all probability not include the Center. This informal committee then began to formulate the Referendum. Because the largest portion of the expense for the park was for the Community Center (5/6 the total cost of building the park if built by itself) , it was decided that for the additional 1/6 expense to build the park as planned, it would be well worth the money and offer the community what it needed and wanted as a whole. In other words, the Referendum would have a better chance to pass. Of course, we all know what the result of the Referendum vote was. I hope that the Referendum didn't fail because.of what Ted Ulmer expressed he and his friends felt. They voted "no" even though they wanted the Community Center because they were paying so much for what they considered redundant sports facilities. If this is true of Mr. Ulmer and his friends, I would be much ashamed of letting everyone know this, much less feeling that way. Only 1/6 of the cost of the park was for recreational activities which could be used by all age groups. To turn down the Referendum because 1/6 of the cost went to other things besides what they wanted, is short sighted, narrow minded and selfish. If a person owned a house on Marco Island assessed at $100,000, and consider- ing the homestead exemption, the 1/4 mill tax would be approximately $18.75 per year for the total park, or about $3.25 a year more than what the Community Center by itself would cost. This is not a whole lot to spend in order to have what he wants and make better use of land and facilities for others as well. To waste the use of approximately ten acres of land on Marco Island for the use of growing grass (which would have to be main- tained and irrigated as well) instead of having useful activities for all for only 1/6 of the total price, then I guess the Subcommittee who were aware of the facts were wrong. If this is blackmail and Barbary pirates' tactics instead of good sense, I concede. I sincerely hope that the views expressed by Mr. Ulmer are not the views of the majority of the community. This indeed would be sad. But NO! I don't believe that the vote was turned down because of this narrow minded and selfish reason. I believe the vote clearly showed that the community is unwilling to pay any additional taxes to have the Community Center at this time--or anything else that might cause an additional tax. Page 3 There is also another group now (after the fact) saying that the vote was against the Plan and not against the CIvic Center. Because they had the opportunity many times to express their displeasure regarding the Plan and never did so, I feel they neglected their opportunities to express their opinions in the proper forum. Now is too late! Anyone can say anything they wish about the reasons for the Referendum failure but the facts remain--conjecture is just that! Facts: 1 . Civic Center has been voted down three times. 2. Not one organized group came out against the park Master Plan. Any group willing to express their opinions at all were strongly in favor of the Master Plan. 3. We were voting to raise money to build the park, not for the approval of the Master Plan. The Master Plan had been approved without opposition. Because I believed we developed a Master Plan that represented everyone in some way and not just a select group, it was disappointing to see the Referendum fail. If some people feel we can or should have a special Referendum every time a decision is made concerning the plans for the park, then I think it is totally unfair to the rest of the people of Collier County. I don't understand why the procedures that are acceptable for the rest of Collier County aren't good enough for Marco Island. Maybe we think we are better. Ihope not. After the Referendum vote, our Subcommittee had a meeting (again advertised in advance) which no one from the community bothered to attend. As a member of the Subcommittee I believed that we were charges with the responsibility to design a park that the community by all indications said they wanted which we did. And because of the. Referendum vote, the Subcommittee felt a responsibility to do what it could with the money now available, in order to have a park without additional expense to the taxpayers. That leaves out the Community Center because we would be remiss in our charge to recommend to build four walls and nothing else in the park with no indicc- tion of who or what or where the additional monies would come from to finish the building. I'm sure no one would do this if they were building their home. There are many more facts and much more history that could be discussed in order to better understand the park issue, but I hope this is a step in the right direction. Ronald Burton Chairman of the Marco Island Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Subcommittee C 0 3R 9 $ $ o c '8'7, :n > < A• 8 A O 8 '< .7 y m-k w $ y (D O N a.v, e ) ooh, . t! wig 8 ° s5 ' R - -� °8� g_ oc cn W C C t f; y � p^y s C1 �e n D O m 0 t" 4:1 m O �' 'I" R 3 5" n.2 s a r, R P O m N `c {�9D ff _ S = N n n = O C1 W O d _ C3. CL $ d = W C7 O w in' Er.D - H .. 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Grassing & Landscaping $150 , 000 ( includes : irrigation , seed & mulch with fine grading & minimum of landscaping ) $356 ,000 Page 2 of 4 Page 3 of 4 RECREATIONAL OR SUPPORT FACILITIES 1 . Maintenance Area : $ 75 ,000 ( includes : 15 ,000 SF paved area , 1 , 500 SF building , fencing & landscaping) 2 . Multi-purpose Indoor Facility $ 262 , 500 ( 3 , 500 SF ) plus : interior furnishings $ 15 , 000 landscaping $ 10 ,000 w/expansion to 10 ,000 SF 3 . Walking/Jogging Path $ 45 ,000 ( includes : 1 mile of asphalt path with 18 fitness stations ) 4 . Two Basketball/Volleyball Courts $ 35,000 ( includes : lights & fencing , courts ) 5 . Children ' s Play Area $ 30 ,000 ( includes : multi-use play structure with ground treatment & lot framing ) 6 . Picnic Facilities $ 40 , 000 ( includes : ( 1 ) 1 , 600 SF picnic shelter , 12 tables , 2 large grills , 3 or 4 regular grills & concrete placement ) 7 . Full Size Playing Field $ 15 , 000 (Bermuda sprig) 8 . Signage ( information and directional ) $ 10 ,000 9 . Concrete sidewalds ( 660 LF ) $ 7 ,000 10 . Site Furnishings $ 19 ,000 ( includes : benches , bike racks , trash cans and drinking fountains ) 11 . 7 ,280 SF Covered Basketball Court $ 80 ,000 (w/lights--open sides ) 12 . Shuffleboard $ 10 ,000 (no lights or shelters ) 13 . Multi-purpose Dock $ 15 ,000 TOTAL $ 658 , 500 See Notes pg . 4 NOTES • Full size field with thought to utilization of parking • Shuffle Board to be placed hopefully under building * Connecting covered Basketball Court with building to utilize all space as a whole ( ground level of building & covered Basketball Court to be one large open area ) * Building to include warming kitchen, shower facili- ties • Leave open ditch as is until later date making sure that it looks attractive and is not a health hazzard • If money has to be shaved from any items , the first should be covered picnic shelter , the second the multi-purpose dock Page 4 of 4 ti . 1.--_______ _ 1 . . ., 1 T H E ii,, tai, z. : p ..,...,.. ,.. • KLA , ...,, Ds ( 1 0 i 1 GENERAL LOCATION MAP 1 • . I r: 1 • • I . - if . . 1 ),- 1 } Z (PRaJECT SITE Z o 5UN+Ta 0+ — ^---TNOaES + eoy�TA O U G StI:+NGS: U j(2 �.. ii -.E• E • \.- •Ii . . ,IVVt t:+. auaIT. ! elm T.:IE; [ I FRE6K: ' — + t IFSTATE ! i ( i 4 '*. ©K r ..�.:_. 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BROWN NIDNWAY N W-c• E THE PARKLANDS S MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN \ EXHIBIT G / 0047/X-10/620-Wit6/ (620 :4 1 0 COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX June 24, 1985 Mr. Domenic D'Agostino Golden Gate Golf and Country Club Golden Gate Parkway Golden Gate, Florida 33999 Dear Mr. D'Agostino: At the County Commissioner's workshop of June 17, 1985, the Commission agreed with the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board (PARAB) in that there was still a desire to continue negotiations and allow staff additional time to collect data relative to the operations of a County owned golf course. It is for this reason, I thought it best to contact you and Jet you know that the County is still interested in the possibility of leasing or purchasing the Golden Gate Golf Course and any other facilities you desire to sell or lease, of which, the County Commissioners deem necessary. Of course, the first question we need answered is whether the Golden Gate Country Club is still interested in selling or leasing the golf course to the County. If indeed you are, we would like to see a detailed list of what exactly would be included in the sale or lease and price to accompany each facility. As an example: FACILITIES SALE PRICE LEASE PRICE ANNUALLY Golf Course $ xxxx $ xxxx 40 Carts xxxx xxxx Cart Storage Area xxxx xxxx Pro Shop xxxx xxxx Sub total $ xxxx $ xxxx Discounts (If any) - xxxx - xxxx Grand total $ xxxx $ xxxx Please list a sub total and if any discounts are appropriate, list those and then give us a grand total of the sale price and lease price for the total package you included. • 3301 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST NAPLES, FLORIDA 33962-4977 813-774-8999 1.-T Your earliest response would be well appreciated and, indeed, if we need to sit down and negotiate further, we would be more than happy to do so. CHowever, prior to any negotiations let us first get something in writing and in more detail. Sincerely, (.1,04. 5. ' ''''''' Tim S. Vanatta, Director Parks and Recreation TSV:pc r C s ll 'It s e s 04azXd O/ 620u t66/ v ile/Yd. C .-14-' A"4 11 COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX June 25, 1985 Mr. Richard L. Klaas, President Lely Estates, Inc. 5101 Tamiami Trail East, Suite 202 Naples, Florida 33962-6980 Dear Mr. Klaas: As you probably know by now, many issues have been brought about concerning the County owning or leasing the Lely Hibiscus Golf Course. It is for this reason I thought it best to contact you directly and point out the staff's current situation and status. At the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting of June 10, 1985, it was decided to continue negotiations with any and all viable golf course proposals. In order to continue negotiations, the staff felt it was Cnecessary to collect new data and negotiate with the owners, Consequently, I addressed the Board of County Commissioners at their workshop on June 17, 1985, asking them for more time to research and negotiate this issue. Therefore, there are still some questions that need to be answered. The first is whether Lely is still interested in leasing or selling the Lely Hibiscus Golf Course to the County. Secondly, if you are interested, is Lely willing to negotiate a lower price for both the golf course and the 7.9 acres clubhouse site? As you probably know, many Lely residents are opposed to the County operating the Lely Hibiscus Golf Course. A petition has been circulated and signed by approximately 400 Lely residents indicating that if the County takes over the Lely Hibiscus Golf Course, then they desire the County to take over the additional 7.9 acre club house site as well. It would stand to reason that if we choose that option, our expenditures increase both from a lease standpoint and also for the expense of the renovation of the existing clubhouse. The take over of the 7.9 acres and the renovation of the clubhouse increases the risks of our ability to meet our financial responsibilities. It is for this reason, we need to know if Lely is willing to negotiate a better price on the 7.9 acres and possibly put the clubhouse and its site back into the original condition before the County would take over the golf course operation. Another option might be whether Lely would be willing to hold off disposing or developing the 7.9 acres until the County has operated the course for a three (3) year period, at which time the County could make up their mind on whether to include the 7.9 acres in the actual purchase. 3301 TAMIAM1 TRAIL EAST NAPLES, FLORIDA 33962-4977 813-774-8999 -2- CI appreciate any considerations you might give this matter and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me or Dan Loubier of my staff at 774-8414. Sincerely, i( V.,i,-)1.e. Z Tim S. Vanatta, Director Parks and Recreation TSV:pc I C -..».. C 1 ■ )".•--; ''' ,, - ■lej.01051a444..›41441;.,:j ,.4' C ':, 4 GOLDEN GATE INN ,, --4,, f) July 5, 1985 Mr. Tim S. Vanetta Director Parks and Recreation Collier County Court House Naples, Fl. Dear Mr. Vanatta: In response to your letter of June 24, 1985, and our subsequent conversation, I have reviewed our offer and these are the alternatives you requested. Using our April 2 letter, copy of which is included, as a reference, the cnanges will be; PURCHASE 1. Asking price for whole complex $3,000,000 2. Golf Course/Driving Range/Cart Sheds/Club House/Swimming Pool $2,250,000 LEASE WITH OPTION TO PURCHASE 1. Refer to letter of June 9, copy of which is included, - $144,000 per year 2. Golf Course/Driving Range/Approximately 1/2 of Club House which includes Pro Shop, Cart Sheds, use of rest rooms and card rooms - $135,000 per year Ciiik Yours truly, Jc)~r.fie 1-'--, Domenic D'Agost no MOTEL/ RESTAURANT/GOLF &COUNTRY CLUB/GOLDEN GATE, FLORIDA 33999/ NINE MILES FROM NAPLES6 813-455-1010 GOLDEN QATE INN June 9, 1985 - Board of Collier County Commissioners : As per our telephone conversation with Dan Laupier on June 7, we offered to lease Golden Gate Golf Course, to the County, for $144,000.00 per year. This would be a net net lease with monthly payments. Yours truly, Domenic D'Ago ino Note: This lease includes; golf course, driving range, - parking, 40-45 electric carts, 40 hand carts, - maintenance barn and equipment, cart sheds for approximately 70 carts and approximately one half of club house, which includes pro shop. MOTEL / RESTAURANT/GOLF &COUNTRY CLUB/GOLDEN GATE, FLORIDA 33999 /NINE MILES FROM NAPLES R13-d`.c.inin C(OLDENQATEINNA • APRIL 2,1985 M.G. THIELE • PURCHASING DIRECTOR COLLIER COUNTY Dear Sirs, In response to your letter of March 28,1985, we are offering for sale, to Collier County, the Golden Gate Inn and Country Club. The complete complex consists of approximately one hundred and sixty acres ( 160) . We have completely reconstructed and renovated the club house. We have also curbed and re-sealed the complete parking area. At present we are replacing our sprinkler system • on the front nine holes. This should be completed , hopefully, by May 1, 1985. We are offering to sell the property in its entirety or in part. We are offering three ( 3 ) alternatives: 1) The complete complex: 18 Hole Championship Golf Course 2 Tennis Courts Swimming Pool 52 Motel Rooms Club House (approximately 10, 000 sq. ft . ) Driving Range AOTEL/ RESTAURANT/GOLF &COUNTRY CLUB/GOLDEN GATE, FLORIDA 33999/NINE MILES FROM NAPLES&813-455-1010 • • • • COWEN QATE INN 674.-2& 1. ) cont . 45 E Z Go Electric Golf Carts. 40 Hand Pull Carts Maintenance Building Equipment Recreation Hall Asking Price: $3 , 000,000.00 2 ) Golf Course Tennis Courts Swimming Pool Driving Range Electric Carts Maintenance Building Equipment Club House Recreation Hall Hand Carts Asking Price: $ 2,400, 000. 00 3) Golf Course Driving Range Electric Carts Maintenance Building Equipment Hand Carts Asking Price: $ 1, 950, 000.00 • ROTE L/ RESTAURANT/GOLF&COUNTRY CLUB/GOLDEN GATE, FLORIDA 33999/NINE MILES FROM NAPLESS 813-465-1010 1 c WILSON, MILLER, BARTON JOB ��L ') ` h = SOLL & PEEK, INC. SHEET NO. 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