DSAC Minutes 05/01/2002 RMay 1, 2002
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
2800 NORTH HORSESHOE DRIVE
CONFERENCE ROOM "E"
NAPLES, FL 34104
MINUTES
MAY 1, 2002
3:30 PM
Chairman Dino Longo called the meeting to order at 3:31 P.M.
ATTENDANCE:
Members: Dalas Disney, Robert Duane, Marco Espinar, Blair Foley, Brian Jones, Dino
Longo, Justin Mart/n, Thomas Masters, Brian Milk, and Herbert Savage.
Excused: C. Perry Peeples
Absent: Charles Abbott, Thomas Peek, Anthony Pires Jr., and Peter Van Arsdale
Staff Members: Ronald Scott-Transportation Planning, Norman Feder- Transportation
Adm., George Yalmaz-Solid Waste, Denny Baker-Business Mgr., Tom Kuck-Engineer
Director, Patrick White-Asst. Co. Attorney, Ed Perico, and Joe Schmitt
Public: Jeff Perry-Wilson Miller
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Under IV.Old Business - A. Land Development Code
was added. Dalas Disney moved to approve Agenda with addition, Seconded Tom
Masters, Carried.
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III.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 7, 2002
Robert Duane moved to approve Minutes of March 7, 2002, Seconded Brian, and
Carried.
Justin Martin moved to approve Minutes of April 3, 2002, Seconded Tom Masters,
and Carried.
STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS:
A. Transportation Division Update - Norm Feder stated that in the Land
Development Code, a process of identifying growth has been discussed. They are
in the process right now of identifying some growth management changes and
making modifications to land development. In Transportation the State Statutes
use a 5-year Plan, Collier County uses a 3-year Plan. He states they
at everything vested and especially the checkbook. HUD, site plans need to look
and rezoning
needs to be addressed and resolved. He felt since the referendum failed on the
halfpenny he might get a higher percentage of people to vote for a proposed
moratorium. An informational sheet (% of Segment Capacity vs. Existing Plus
Committed and Requested Traffic) was handed out to all committee members
giving them an idea of where they are on projects in conjunction with the
checkbook and the assumption of capacity on particular roadways. Mr. Feder
stated he has insufficient funds and basically the checkbook is bankrupt. Need to
open up another checkbook. A synopsis of "when is my paycheck going to
arrive in my account" was discussed. He stated if they don't have construction in
a 5 year work program then they need to stop backlogging that facility, & in this
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case backlog with 10% annual growth on a first come - first serve basis. After a
lengthy statement Norm Feder summarized it by saying he is trying to equate the
items basically where they are on the situation today, where they are relative to
the program project and where they are with the capacity that they have on that
facility on the report. The "NOTE" at the bottom of the handout states:
Segments may be designated as physically constrained (maximum lane
standards) or politically constrained regardless of checkbook balance by action of
the BCC upon recommendation of Transportation Administrator.
Dalas asked a question of what percentage of funds are derived from the Impact
Fees. Norm stated about 50%. Dalas then stated, if construction closed down
they would be pulling from ad volurem taxes in order to maintain the same
process. Mr. Feder agreed. Another question asked was if there were any
rezoning application areas of desperation.
Mr. Feder stated, "yes" on the next Board agenda an establishment of a
moratorium on 3 segments will be discussed for projects that will not have
funding. 1) Davis Blvd.between Radio Road and 951 2) USA 41 between Pine
Ridge and Golden Gate Parkway and 3) Vanderbilt Beach Road west of 41 and
41 and Gulf Shore Drive. Discussion followed on the above concern and traffic
concerns as well.
Jeff Parry - Wilson Miller - stated a few years back the residents on Vanderbilt
Beach Road asked not have their road a 4 lane. They knew it was congested, but
did not want landscape taken out etc. Growth management and politically
controlling the growth was discussed. Mr. Feder reminded everyone it is a public
roadway as well as an evacuation route. Jeff Parry stated that if the County is
willing to go forward with the widening of the roadway there may be some merit
in suggesting that there has to be a moratorium in the meantime, but until there is
an affirmative opinion of the property owners that they' re willing to widen the
roadway to 4 lanes, he thinks it is wrong to suggest a moratorium is in order
when the County walked right into it. He feels it is unfair. Jeff Parry is saying
they brought it upon themselves, so should live with it.
Policy decisions and policies changing along with keeping traffic moving and
safety issues were of concern and discussed.
B. Public Utilities Division Update: George Yalmaz could report on solid
waste problems but the committee decided they had a report previous
therefore George did not have anything new to report at this time.
OLD BUSINESS
A. Land Development Code - Robert Duane wants a report for their Sub-
Committee on the status of getting the Land Development Code to the Municipal
Code Corp. and online due to some of the supplements being behind and he wants to
know if the items they adopted 6 or 8 months ago are on the books and what has been
done.
Mr. White said he had a copy of the report in his office at this time.
They are available for public distribution.
SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS:
A. Land Development Regulation (Bob Duane) - None
C. Utility Code (Thomas Masters) - Minutes were handed out and attached.
B. Construction Code (Dino Longo)-None
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Ad Hoc Committee on Fees - Dino Longo reported there was a presentation
from the Health Dept. on pools and changing their language on commercial pools
and inspections on commercial pools. The Health Dept. is going back and
changing the language to amend the ordinances to conform to what it should be.
They will be back to the committee next week.
The second part of the presentation was on the new building. The parking garage
has been reduced from 40,000 sq. ft to approx. 20,000 sq. ft. A building
presentation was given last month. It has been designed to hold services
unrelated to development services. They didn't get through the whole
presentation as the funding issue was discussed at length. The building is going
forward, the question is monies being used for the building and what services
will be occupying the building. It was his understanding in the beginning that it
was an opportunity for Ed to expand his departments, bring more people in and
offer more improved services for development. The subject of renting space was
discussed. The bottom line is it will be used for other services than what they
expected. The County will determine the rent rates.
Dalas Disney asked what legitimately is being paid out of Fund 113, and whether
getting paid rent or not, why is the 113 Fund subsidizing construction which has
nothing to do with portions of this operation. The committee viewed drawings of
the proposed concept, floor plan and different department layouts.
Discussion followed on opinions of local monies staying local, and more
confusion on the 113 Fund payments. Dino Longo stated his understanding of
the 113 Fund and concerns is they are at their limit with the reserves, taking 4 M
out, a shortage on the permit revenue side and building buildings and staffing
them. The permit revenues are suppose to be used for things that relate
directly to permit issues or development services. Dino Longo would rather see
them lower the permit fees, get the reserves down, ship money over to the
planning side, hire persons that are needed, get things out on a timely basis, and
have better communications between Transportation and Utilities.
Dalas Disney moved to request staff to identify the 113 Fund, what it is suppose
to pay for, and that the committee get an accounting of the percentage of funds
that are contributed from other than 113 Funds to pay for the entire project,
which is the expansion of the Development Services building project.
Seconded Robert Duane, a lengthy discussion followed. Carried unanimously.
Patrick White gave a report on a FEMA meeting and stated he did not have any
answers yet. Justin Martin (a new member) asked what the issue is that is being
reported on. Dino Disney stated approx. 3 years ago there were 3 County
ordinances on hold - there is a dispute on the Coastal Set-backs and Flood
Elevation methodology of FEMA. The City of Naples, County and Marco Island
consolidated their data to refute FEMA's data. They are not agreeing to the flood
elevations from the coast in and most of Collier County. They determine their
elevations on transects. The consultant has challenged those things and they
have received thousand and thousands of pages of a report and are almost due for
a restudy. It may be compromised, but the committee may ask the Board of
County Commissioners for a recommendation of what to do. Whether there may
be a lawsuit or not is not known at this time.
Patrick White stated there are 3 things to do: 1) talk about it and work it out 2)
Ask other agencies to tell us what they think (arbitration) and 3) Litigation
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NEW BUSINESS - None
COMMITTEE MEMBER COMMENTS:
One comment was they appreciated Transportation (Mr. Feder) attending the meeting
and giving the report on the detail of what is being proposed.
Comments consisted of ad volurem taxes, rents for the upcoming building, changes
in comprehensive planning for the County and Mr. White stating they are not
shutting down the County, there is still plenty of work for everyone.
Dino Longo said they have to be careful in planning for the future and the possibility
of raising impact fees. There should be a contingency plan in place. There is a
political push to possibly shut the County down. Dino Longo states they don't
realize the impact it could have economically. It could mean approx. 7-8,000 jobs
lost. A rally will be held at the courthouse sponsored by CBIA on May 14th. A
possible 1,500 people are expected to be there. Dino Longo encouraged all to attend.
Meeting adjourned at 5:20 P.M.
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