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01/21/1983 Minutes Naples, Florida , January 21, 1983 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board met at 9: 11 A.M. in Building "F" of the Courthouse Complex, East Naples, Florida on this date with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Vince Murphy Dan Monaco Hank Caballero Anne Goodnight ALSO PRESENT: Elinor M. Skinner , Deputy Clerk; Rollie Rice, Parks & Recreation Director; Terry Virta , Community Development Administrator ; Donald Morton, Public Services Administrator; Pat Carroll , Engineer; and Chris Holley, Administrative Assistant . AGENDA I. Call to Order II. Approval of minutes - November 19, VIP? III. Addenda IV. Pelican Bay South parking lot design - Terry Virta V. Presentation of proposed East Naples community park sites - Pat Carroll. VI. Reports from various sub-committees VII. Discussion of Addenda VIII. Adjournment MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 19, 1982 - APPROVED AS PRESENTED The minutes of the November 19, 1982, meeting were approved by consensus as presented . Chairman Murphy gave a review of the Parks & Recreation meeting held December 20, 1982, which covered a slide presentation of the park sites a and a discussion of the concept of the community committees . By consensus , this review was accepted . Page 1 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 PRESENTATION RE PELICAN BAY SOUTH PARKING LOT DESIGN Community Development Director Virta referred to a design of. the Pelican Bay South Parking Lot on an overhead board and explained that Pelican Bay has made a formal proposal to the County to meet the parking obligation of the Planned Unit Development which they gained approval of some years ago to provide a minimum of two acres of land in the southwest upland portion of their site for parking to serve the area known as Clam Pass Park and he said that the diagram on the board is that proposal . He explained that immediately adjacent to the parking lot a "world class" hotel will be built. He said that Pelican Bay would donate the two acres and the hotel would improve the parking lot for the County and would like to be the concessionaire to provide transportation to and from the park by a ferry system and that the hotel would maintain and control the parking lot. He said that access would be through an access easement which would represent Seagate extended due west from its terminus where it heads southward. He explained that this proposal has just been submitted for discussion of the parking lot and that there are a number of questions that remain to be answered . He said that the concessionaire agreement will become an important matter in terms of what services will be provided and what the cost will be, adding that the Public Works Division is working with Pelican Bay trying to negoti- ate with Pelican Pay to cul-de-sac Seagate Drive south of Seagate extended and to open the southern east/west portion of Seagate Drive to Crayton Road. He referred to the traffic Page 2 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 problem posed because of the traffic which will result from having Crayton Road , Seagate Drive, and the traffic from the County parking facility and the hotel all interfacing in a relatively short area . Mr . Virta said that the parking facility in the drawing encompasses 168 parking spaces and that staff has anticipated 200 parking spaces in the area , adding that the figure has never been formalized. He explained that, this week , he received a proposal , which does not represent a proposal from Pelican Bay but rather from a staff member at Pelican Bay, as a possible alternate proposal which would increase the land donated from 2 to 2. 2 acres and increase the parking spaces to 186, which staff feels is probably the maximum number of spaces that could be constructed on this site. He said that the parking facility would be gated and controlled and there would be a dropoff point , similar to the one at Vanderbilt Reach Drive which is an important feature for people who have difficulty walking . Responding to a question from Mr . Murphy, Mr . Virta said that this parking lot would not be an overflow parking lot for the hotel and that Pelican Bay would retain the rights of control through their restricted convenant , as they have with the northern parking lot. He said that Collier County would have the title of the property. He said that the lot is about a three or four minute boat trip away from the park. He explained that the deed has a reverter clause which states that, should the County cease to use the property for the Page 3 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 19°3 purpose designated , the property would go back to Pelican Bay. Responding to Mr . Murphy, Mr . Virta said that the ordinance provides that Pelican Bay will dedicate the land when the County provides access to the park , adding that the hotel , by being concessionaire to the County, would be able to advertise that it has beach access and that makes it more valuable. He said that originally Pelican Bay was planning to break ground for the hotel by March 1 but that is physi- cally impossible. A discussion followed regarding the planned fee to use the ferry and the fact that almost all of the planned area is before the Coastal Construction Control Line. Mr . Virta said that there is a commitment on the part of the owners of the Naples Cay property to provide 25 parking spaces in conjunc- tion with their development which would be about 1/4 mile from the parking lot . Mr . Murphy requested that Mr . Virta keep the Parks and Recreation Board posted when this proposal goes beyond the discussion stage. PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED EAST NAPLES COMMUNITY PARK SITES BY PAT CARROLL, PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION Contracts Engineer Carroll said that she is a member of the Transportation Department of the Public Works Division and has been in charge of the County acquisition program for County roads for approximately three years. She explained that, because of the expertise of this department, it was asked to prepare the site selection report for the parks. Page 4 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 Mr. Chris Holley distributed a copy of the report to those present . Mrs. Carroll explained that research was done on dis- trict boundaries prior to doing the report, that the Compre- hensive Plan was studied and that staff talked to the Plan- ning Department, studied voter registration figures and analyzed the criteria which was felt to he important in the selection of the park site. She referred to Exhibit A which shows the boundaries which are the same as those used in the original report regarding park sites. She said that the boundaries follow precinct lines in case a taxing district needs to be established later to take care of maintenance of the park , adding that a division is shown of the district into an east community and a south community. She said that the reason for this was that the Planning Department con- siders the East Naples District as two communities , adding that the division line was established by the Planning Department. She reviewed the criteria used which included the location of the site within the community to be served , the percent of current population within a three mile radius of the site, the percent of future population, distance from the geographic centroid for the whole district and distance from the centroid of existing population, the capability with adjacent land use , the adequate size of the lots , the cap- ability with the Comprehensive Plan , the access, the aesthe- tics, and the potential for water activities. Mrs. Carroll said that , during research of the popula- tion figures , it became apparent that, by the time one park Page 5 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 is constructed , it would be almost obsolete. She gave the projected 1982 population figures for the east community as 11, 555 people and for the south community as 8, 363 people for a total of 19, 918 people which is already approaching the maximum limit to be served by a community park. She said that in 1985 the total population is estimated to be 22,049 people and in 1995 the east community is projected to have 19,937 people and the south community to have 14 , 429 people for a total of 34, 366 people. She said that staff looked at a one park and a two park concept for the total district. Mrs. Carroll referred to Exhibit F which indicates the thirteen possible park sites which resulted from staff research , adding that analysis of the size, the chance for future growth , whether or not a large percentage of a site was under "ST" zoning , and current development plans for some of the sites resulted in elimination of all but six of those thirteen sites with sites 3 and 4 being combined , because they are both part of the Fleischmann property, which resulted in 5 locations. She said that the western portion of the Fleischmann property was one site and the eastern portion of the property was another site so that, in case it came up for number one ranking , the property owner would be given a choice and this would possibly aid in negotiations. She referred to Exhibits R and C which show the five loca- tions and a circle of a three mile radius which is the maximum area a community is supposed to serve as set forth in the Comprehensive Plan. She explained that sites 3 and 4 are just south of Flamingo Estates; site 5 is on North Road , Page 6 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 south of the Airport ; site 10 is next to Avalon School ; site 12 is on the Lely canal ; and site 13 is just south of Lely High School . Mrs. Carroll referred to Tables 2 and 3 which are the rating charts and noted that the "SURROUNDING USES" column should have a rating number of 1-10 instead of the 1-5 shown . She explained that Table 4 shows the ranking of the sites with an estimated market value, estimated site preparation cost, and total cost for each . Mrs. Carroll said that the final recommendation is that site 10 and 12 are very suitable for a park site; however , site 10 is next to a school and does serve the greatest percentage of existing population , serving 95% of the people who live there at the present time. She said that she believes site 10 is more available than site 12 and that staff is recommending that the County begin negotiations on a park site around Avalon School and that the Board of County Commissioners work with Lely Estates for a future park site near the Edison Community College location . Responding to Mr . Murphy, Mrs. Carroll said that site preparation includes fill , adding that a staff engineer went with her to inspect site 10 and that he researched some of the elevations and considered access roads and lake excava- tion and this resulted in the estimated site preparation cost as shown on Table 4. She said that there would probably he 15% lower cost for site preparation at the present time, because contractors are ready and available to start work . Responding to Mr . Richardson, Mrs. Carroll said that Page 7 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 there would be approximately 20 to 25 acres of land on site IC710 for the active part of the park and about 10 acres for picnic area . Mr . Murphy expressed the Advisory Board' s appreciation for Mrs. Carroll 's presentation of the thorough study. REPORTS FROM VARIOUS SUB—COMMITTEES Mr. Murphy explained that there are five community park committees, although the Marco Beach Advisory Board member seat is vacant at the present time. Administrative Assistant Holley explained that due to illness of the Administrative Aide to the Board, the selection of a person to fill that vacancy has not been placed on the BCC agenda but that would occur soon . Mr . Murphy, Chairman of the East Naples Park Committee , reported that the committee has met three times and at the last meeting a questionnaire was reviewed and approved to be sent out to area residents giving a list of facilities the Committee proposes and asking the people to rank those so that the emphasis that the community desires can be deter- mined and also included was a question of whether a swimming pool and community center should be included. He said that 1,000 questionnaires were printed and that a member of the committee is the Vice Principal of Lely High School and that he is sending the questionnaires home with the students, adding that Jim Richardson is making them available to civic groups. He said the next meeting is scheduled at Lely High School on January 24, 1983, to review the results of the questionnaires. Page P 7 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 1983 Mrs. Anne Goodnight, Chairman of the Immokalee Park Committee, reported her committee met on January 10, 1983, and that a questionnaire is being distributed similar to the one of the East Naples Committee , adding that it will also be put in The Bulletin in an attempt to discover what the people want in the park. She said there is an educational fair this weekend in Immokalee and there will be a booth to distribute the questionnaires. She said that the Committee was given a packet by Parks Director Rice which states what facilities are considered to be in a community park which was used to formulate the questonnaire . Mr . Hank Caballero, Chairman of the Golden Gate Park Committee , said that his committee is meeting on a weekly basis and the attendance has been excellent. He said that a Now survey has been posted in the Golden Gate Community Center and that the Naples Daily News and the Golden Gate Eagle will print it in an attempt to find out what items the people want in the park. He said the committee has received fine cooperation from the School Board and that 3,000 copies of the survey will be distributed through the school system. He said that January 27, 1983, will be the next meeting and that the surveys will be reviewed as soon as they are returned . Responding to Mr. Caballero, Mrs. Carroll said that the Swamp Buggy Grounds were not considered as a possible park site and Mr . Rice said that the estimated cost of that property would be approximately 3 million dollars. She said that she plans to work on a park site in Golden Gate next. Mr. Caballero said that his committee contacted the Board of Realtors Page 9 Parks & Recreation Advisory Board January 21, 10P1 requesting them to try an find a piece of property for a park site . Mr . Dan Monaco , Chairman of the North Naples Park Committee, said that a questionnaire is intended to be used to obtain community input with regard to what the park will include . Mr. Murphy said that there is much interest in having a swimming pool in the East Naples Park because the only available one at the present time is the YMCA pool . He said that the committees and the Advisory Board do not have any budget for their activities. Mr. Monaco suggested that a joint meeting of all the Community Park Committees be held to coordinate activities. A discussion ensued regarding the basic design of a community park and what items could be included . ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to come before the Board, Mr. Caballero moved , seconded by Mr. Monaco , and carried unanimously, that the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting be adjourned at 10: 15 A.M. PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Vince Murphy, Chairman Page 10