Minutes 10/19/2015 . October 19, 2015
MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW
SUBCOMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, October 19, 2015
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Development Services Advisory
Committee—Land Development Review Subcommittee in and for the County of
Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 3:00 PM in a REGULAR
SESSION at the Growth Management Division Building, Room 609/610 2800 N.
Horseshoe Drive, Naples, FL with the following persons present:
Stan Chrzanowski
Jeremy Sterk
Marco Espinar
Clay Brooker
Blair Foley (Excused)
Robert Mulhere (Excused)
Dalas Disney (Excused)
ALSO PRESENT: Richard Henderlong, Principal Planner
Alex Sulecki, Conservation Collier Coordinator
Jeremy Frantz, Senior Planner
Scott Stone, Assistant County Attorney
Matt McLean, Manager, Development Review
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Any persons in need of the verbatim record of the meeting may request a copy of the audio recording
from the Collier County Growth Management Division—Planning and Regulation building—Contact
Mr. Evy Ybaceta at 239-252-2400.
1. Call to order
The meeting was called to order at 3:04pm and a quorum was established.
Bruce Layman (Barron Collier Company), Nancy Olson (CCPRD), Marisa Carrozzo (Conservancy of
SWFL), Tim Hancock(Stantec) were also present.
The Members present appointed Clay Brooker as Chairman of the Committee.
2. Approve agenda
The Committee approved the Agenda.
3. Old Business
None
4. New Business
a. Review Land Donation Endowment-LDC Amendment Request. Presentation by Alexandra
Sulecki, Coordinator, Conservation Collier Program, Principal Environmental Specialist,
Parks and Recreation Department
Mr. Henderlong reported the Board of County Commissioners issued a directive to Conservation
Collier Staff to work with the Development Services Advisory Committee(DSAC)and the
Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Advisory Committee (CCLAAC)to develop a Land
Development Code (LDC)amendment for options to ensure adequate funds remain available for
land management of those properties donated to the Conservation Collier Program. Conservation
Collier Staff presented the item to the DSAC on 9/2/15 and it was remanded to the Subcommittee for
review.
Ms. Sulecki reported:
• The Ordinance governing the CLAAC and the County LDC allows parties the option of
satisfying onsite native vegetation retention requirements through a monetary payment or the
donation of land to Conservation Collier Program.
• The donation of lands requires a land management endowment currently established within
the Program at approximately$4,000/acre which is based on 25%of the cost of lands
acquired within targeted lands acquired by the Conservation Collier Program.
• The concern is the amount required for the endowment only covers the costs of land
management activities for 7 years.
• After expiration of the management funds the burden to cover land maintenance costs may
fall on the County taxpayers.
• The CLAAC Subcommittee convened on October 8, 2015 and a proposal was developed to
address the issue. It is based on a South Florida Water Management District program with
alterations tailored to suit the Conservation Collier Program.
• The new proposal requires the donating party be responsible to provide a land management
endowment in the amount of$47,000 per acre. The true long term maintenance costs were
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derived by modifying the SFWMD long term maintenance costs from the Florida Mitigation
Bank in Osceola County (Backup item# 7). She noted the figure needs to be adjusted as
there was an error in the per hour dollar amount of Collier County Staff salaries used in the
analysis.
• These funds would garner a return on investment necessary to manage the properties while
retaining the principal balance for 20 years. This would allow management of the lands into
"perpetuity."
• The proposal includes requiring an analysis of the land management costs every three years
to ensure they are accurate and any adjustments be made in to the endowment fund amount
if necessary.
• The proposal was endorsed by the full CCLAAC Committee at their October 12, 2015
meeting.
• The DSAC subcommittee may develop a separate proposal for consideration.
Mr. Espinar stated he has a conflict of interest with the item, however the County Attorney's Office
notified him he could participate in discussions, but not cast a vote on the item.
Scott Stone, Assistant County Attorney reported the Subcommittee still has a quorum.
Under Committee discussions the following was noted:
• Clarification was provided regarding the difference between the land donation process and
the monetary donation process, and the purpose of the amendment.
• Concern the land area of the parcels requiring on site native vegetation retention are
generally small(less than 1 acre+/-)while the parcels available in multi parcel projects are
1.25 acres +/-.
• The costs for these parcels available for"donation"has risen substantially since the concept
was first approved (now $38,000 +/- as opposed to $6,000/acre) due to the perception of
value of landowners, not actual appraised value, creating less economic incentive for a party
to donate the lands to Conservation Collier. Developers are paying higher than appraised
value in the multi-parcel projects.
• The location of the individual parcels should be considered in the endowment required as the
interior parcels of these "multi parcel"projects (Winchester Head and Red Maple Swamp)
should be much less expensive to manage than the exterior parcels given the tendency for
exotics to spread from adjacent lands inward on preserve properties.
• There is an existing revenue stream for land maintenance as 25 percent of the ad valorem
funds collected in the Program are required to be dedicated to maintenance which should
assist in funding management of all the properties held within the Program.
• Has a detailed analysis been completed demonstrating the need for the additional funds?
• There is a misconception by some that the developer achieves a substantial long term
financial gain for the "mitigated" lands on site as they may be used for purposes other than
native vegetation requirements, when in reality these lands are small in area(less than 1 acre)
and used for landscape buffers, etc., not building lots.
• If the process becomes too expensive for a developer, they will simply choose to not utilize
the donation process and provide a monetary donation(125%of the value of the land to be
"mitigated")to the Program.
• Consideration should be given to altering the requirements of the exotics being removed in
advance of the donation. The lands may not be immediately suited for exotic removal and an
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additional cost may be incurred to address more infestation a short time after the property is
acquired. Funds should be provided in lieu of the removal so the most optimal time for the
activity can be determined by the County.
• Land donations within the Program may be a beneficial tool for all involved; however the
County needs to ensure it remains an equitable, viable concept for it to be successful.
• Mr. Sterk stated without this program, the land prices in the multi-parcel project areas are too
expensive for Conservation Collier and that the purpose of the LDC provision is to reduce
preservation areas that serve no ecological function and move that preserve area to better
areas. If we are going to modify the land donation process, the monetary donation process
should be modified as well. The price proposed considers prices that were paid at the height
of land values and should be modified to incorporate current costs. Mr. Sterk provided
several images or examples.
• Mr. Brooker stated the land donation process should be incentivized and made more
affordable so the program will continue. He suggested that"in perpetuity"be defined, and
after a 10 year period the maintenance costs could be borne by the general public.
Speakers
Marissa Carrozzo, Conservancy of Southwest Florida noted that both options of donating funds
or land should remain available. It would be beneficial to ascertain the funds required for exotic
removal up front, and not require the removal so the Program ensures the most efficient use those
monies to be expended.
Tim Hancock, Stantec, supports the need for long term maintenance funds regardless of where the
funds come from, however one major issue is a private party is usually mitigating small parcels (.33
acres) and are required to acquire al.25 acre parcel in the multi parcel projects. This was an example
that 4 times the size of preserve would have been required simply because that is all that was
available. Individuals who own these lots in the multi-parcel project areas are beginning to "hold
on"to them to allow prices to rise. He recommended additional areas for acquisition be identified to
incentivize the donation concept. Additionally, the developer sees minimal economic gain for the
mitigation given the size of the parcel mitigated on site. The idea that developers are getting money
back is inaccurate because costs are only based on per acre and not whether it is wetlands so they
have already paid for the land. Additionally, he noted maintenance costs will fluctuate over time.
The TDR program requires endowment to an agency. Another problem that exists is there aren't any
agencies that accept donations anymore. Conservation Collier could become a new entity to receive
donations which could require costs to change. It may be more efficient. He suggested a"mitigation
bank"concept be considered whereby donated funds could be used for a variety of purposes
(purchase of lands, management, restoration, etc.).
Mr. Chrzanowski reported he had to leave the meeting and other Members are not present to hear
the item. He recommended a second meeting be convened giving Staff time to review some of the
issues identified today
Mr. Chrzanowski left at 4:08pm
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Ms. Sulecki reported solely utilizing monetary donation absent of a land donation program is a
viable concept and may address the issue of rising land costs. It was discussed with the BCC at the
meeting and they were in favor of the concept however opposition was raised by the Florida Wildlife
Federation. The concept would allow Conservation Collier to utilize the donated funds for
acquisition and management of the lands.
The remaining Members posed the following concepts to be among the items for consideration at
the next meeting:
1. Developing a proposal based on a specific timeframe(i.e. 10, 20 yrs)for management whereby
the developer would be responsible for management costs until the funds donated achieve a
zero balance after the prescribed period of time. This should substantially reduce the cost
estimate of$47,000 per acre proposed as a maintenance endowment.
2. Any proposal be based on identifying the maintenance cost per acre based on managing the
entire multi parcel property as one unit, not the current price for maintaining an individual
parcel.
3. The land donation option remains, but refine the process required for exotics removal.
4. Consider opening alternative areas of lands available for purchase under the concept.
b. Provide a recommendation to DSAC and staff on drafting LDC Amendment.
Continued.
5. Public comments
None
There being no further business for the good of the County,the meeting was adjourned by the order
of the Chair at 4:38PM.
COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE—LAND DEVELOPMENT
REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE
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