BCC Minutes 12/03/2001 W (Budget & Finance Workshop)December 3, 2001
WORKSHOP MEETING OF DECEMBER 3,2001, OF
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
DECEMBER 3,2001
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such
special districts as have been created according to law and have
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:12 a.m.
in WORKSHOP SESSION in Building "F" of the Government
Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: JAMES D. CARTER, Ph.D
VICE CHAIRMAN:
JIM COLETTA
DONNA FIALA
TOM HENNING
FRED COYLE
ALSO PRESENT:
TOM OLLIFF, County Manager
MICHAEL SMYKOWSKI, Budget Director
JAMES MITCHELL, Finance Director
WILLIAM REAGAN, Financial Advisor
JIM MUDD, Deputy County Manager
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NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
BUDGET & FINANCE WORKSHOP
Monday, December 3,2001
9:00 A.M. - 12:00 P.M.
All interested parties are invited to attend a Board of County Commissioners Budget and
Finance Workshop to be held on Monday, December 3, 2001, 9:00 A.M. to 12:00 P.M. in
the County Commissioners' Boardroom, 3r~ Floor, W. Harmon Turner Building (Building
F), Collier County Government Center, 3301 Tamiami Trail East, Naples, Florida.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
James D. Carter, Ph.D., Chairman
DWIGHT E. BROCK, CLERK
By:/s/Maureen Kenyon
Deputy Clerk
December 3, 2001
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Please rise, and we'll say the
Pledge of Allegiance to the flag and begin this meeting.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Good morning.
BOARD MEMBERS: (Unanimous response.)
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Good morning to the morning board
members. Welcome to yet another workshop meeting.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: It seems like we just did this.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: What is it? One meeting every week
or two meetings a week?
MR. OLLIFF: It's about three meetings a week in the last
couple of weeks.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Just for statistical information, when
you've got some free time between 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, if
you could find out what this present commission has done in the past
year as far as meetings go overall as compared to the year previous, it
would be very interesting information, I think, for the present
commissioners and possibly the public out there.
MR. MITCHELL: Commissioner, for your information, Jim
Mitchell with the board's finance department, our board minutes and
records department does have that information.
It's actually a project that I have been working on. It's actually
prepared last year to this year to date, so we do have that information.
And if you want, I can give it to you now. CHAIRMAN CARTER: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Geez, we have the right guy sitting
here.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: We sure do.
MR. OLLIFF: What we've got for you this morning is, what I
believe, is one of the more important workshops that we have
scheduled with you. It is a budget and finance-related workshop, and
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we've broken it down into three different sections.
In essence, what we want you to know as a result of this
workshop is, one, in very simple terms, where does the County get its
money; what does it do physically with the money once it gets it;
what are the investment policies of this county and this commission;
what role does the commission play in developing investment
policies; understanding the relationship and the distinctions,
especially in Florida county governments between the role of your
office of management budget and the role of the clerk of courts.
And then, finally, we've got who will actually start off our
workshop is Bill Reagan who is your financial advisor. He can give
you a little better and broader picture about where are we in terms of
our current debt load, what are the debt mechanisms that are available
to counties, and to walk you through that process. As with any
workshop, this is an opportunity for you to be able to ask questions.
We want you to able to leave this workshop with a good, full
understanding of the financial side of this business. So we've broken
this down, but we've got it in sections and segments. And we've got
Powerpoints and all that, but don't let that stop you :from jumping in
and asking questions. We've brought the experts in who can answer
the questions for you.
With that, I'd turn it over to Mr. Mike Smykowski, your director
of office management and budget.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Good morning. For the record, Michael
Smykowski, budget director. Each of you should have gotten a
package. There are three components, as Mr. Olliff indicated. One's
going to be a budget component, one a finance department
component, and then one that Mr. Reagan's going to talk about is a
bonding and available capacity, etc., so you'll have three separate
notebooks. So feel free to take notes as those are yours as reference
materials, so feel free. And there are some extras available of the
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various packages as well if need be.
With that, I'll turn it over to Mr. Reagan. He's going to talk
about some of the basics of financing operations, issuance of bonds,
available capacity, etc., and he also has a previously -- a previous
commitment in terms of time. He has a flight to catch. So I'm going
to turn it over to him and let him get started. Bill.
MR. REAGAN: Good morning. For the record, I'm Bill
Reagan. I'm a senior vice-president with William R. Hough &
Company.
I serve as your financial advisor for the county. Several years
ago -- I'll give you a little bit of history, and then I'll stop with my
history lesson -- when I first became a bureaucrat back in the early
'70s, if we were to have a workshop like this, there would be one
person sitting at this table. Back then the clerk, administrator, budget
officer, auditor, and just about everything else. I remember the first
budget I did in 1973, I quickly realized there was something very
seriously wrong with the county government to have the clerk to the
budget.
So I -- at that time the elected official was -- state rep. Was
Mary Hawkins. And I went to her, and I filed a bill separating the
budget office from the clerk's office, which I thought was an
absolutely marvelous idea. Unfortunately, I didn't realize the power
struggle between the clerk's administrators back then. And about 60
percent of the clerks in the State of Florida called me and told me not
come to the next association meeting or you'll be dead.
But somehow we did pass it, and it's been, I think, really, really
terrific for county government to have a separate budget office. It
makes it more like a metropolitan form of government versus a rural
form of government, and I'm probably the few that use that board.
Most places have these other fancy boards of charter, noncharter,
mayor, foreman, and all these other great things.
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Anyhow, I apologize, I do have to step out. I wanted to stay for
the whole workshop, but we started planning this workshop several
months ago, and it got delayed once or twice. And, unfortunately, I
can't spend the whole time here, but Mike did ask me, and Tom did
ask me to give you a quick overview. Some of the stuff I'm going to
talk about today is very elementary. And, please, if ii insult anybody
-- I'm going to move very quickly. I just want to try to describe
some of the things that I do for you.
And probably, first and foremost, what you should know is, is
that I sit on your side of the table in this whole transaction. What I
serve is, I make sure that I walk you through the capital markets.
Whenever you have to borrow short term or long term, I'm here to
work with your staff and with this county commission to be sure that
you get the kind of financing that's flexible and the lowest possible
cost.
That's really my job. I don't sit on the side of the underwriters. !
don't sit on the side of the bondholders. Many of the other players
that you will come across, you'll notice, that we'll discuss, have
different roles. But most important is that we work prior to the
financing and not after the financing. What our work goes into is
developing financial plans prior to any kind of financing to determine
whether the financing is something that you need to get yourself
involved in.
Just a quick overview of the kind of outstanding debt -- and all of
this is in those little books. You can read those books. The books
are more interesting than I am, but you might just like listening to my
voice also. You have about $2.2 million, which is probably one of
the lowest that you can get in general obligation debt. And I think
that's going to be paid off very shortly, within a year or two, !
believe. Your non-ad valorem revenues, this was done prior to this
issue that you proved last week.
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So that number has gone up somewhat. We financed about $20
million, and we added $30 million. So you have a little bit over
$100 million right now in your non-ad valorem revenues.
Your water/sewer, all your different -- your enterprise funds,
you have approximately eleven hundred and eleven million dollars.
It's a total of $190 million. You're over $200 million now, which in
a comparison and understand, ratios are something people like to talk
a lot about. I charge counties large sums of money to go in there and
say, "Gee, tell us how we compare to everybody else." And before I
do those types of things, I say, "Why? Why is that important to
you?" If you go up the road just a few counties up and you do a
comparison, say, with Charlotte County, you will find that they have
five times as much enterprise fund debt as you do. It all depends on
the number of cities. It all depends on the type of services. It all
depends on what that particular place that particular time needed to
finance. So it doesn't really do a lot for you to do your peer
comparisons, even though I have done those for many, many counties
around this state that they like to see what their brother is doing, for
whatever reason it is. But nine times out of ten after we do the
report, you'll quickly recognize that, listen, we have our own set of
circumstances, our own problems, our own needs. And some needs
could be five times as high as this, and maybe that's what they want.
Some people have, and I think this county has, a good revenue flow
where you don't have to have as much indebtedness. You'll probably
see higher indebtedness in counties that have less revenue streams
which is kind of the typical.
We talk about debt capacity, and you've had a number of
workshops already talking debt capacity and debt affordability. I
perform different functions called debt capacity where we take all the
different available revenues. Anything that's outstanding we evaluate
what the coverage levels are, meaning that if you have $100,000 in
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sales tax and you want to bond all of it, that doesn't mean you get to
use the full $100,000 to pay debt service. There's certain coverage
levels that are required by the insurers and rating agencies, which I'll
talk to you a little bit later about, but we do that capacity test. That's
much different than affordability. And I think probably more
important than capacity is affordability, is that if you go ahead and
bond all your sales tax, all your gas taxes, which you have been
talking about, you quickly recognize that you have nothing to
maintain the roads.
There have been some stories in this great state of ours that you
seen them build a 500-bed jail facility and no way to open it. It does
happen. You could probably talk to your previous county
administrator. He can probably tell you that stow. If you get a
mandate from the federal government to open up 500 beds, you
take your sales tax to do it and all of a sudden realize, gee, we have
no way to furnish it. So affordability is probably the most difficult
analysis to determine. You want to take all your gas tax now, bond it
all up. How much excess revenues after debt service do we have to
maintain our roads? Biggest part that you have to consider.
We have some warning trends that you need to look at. And this
is what I do, along with the finance office and the budget office. We
make sure that your revenue's per capita. This is simple ratios,
simple statistics. The revenues per capita hopefully are going up.
When we start to see the revenues going down and your capital going
up, we know we start to see some problems.
The same thing with expenditures, that we're seeing more
expenditures, less people coming in, less money coming in. You're
in the inverse relationship you need to be. You always want to be in
upward trends in those sort of things. Along with your sales tax and
your gas tax, you realize statistic revenues. You want to make sure
those have somewhat of a static or upward trend. If you plan on --
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for some type of bond capacity.
There's some counties who will say, a few years back, sales tax
and gas taxes are not attractive revenues to use as bonds because you
take a place like Escambia County, who will sit three times with a
hurricane in 30-some months, all of a sudden those sales tax, gas
taxes, because they closed down roads, people didn't come for
tourism, all of a sudden they lost their capacity to issue bonds. So it's
much more difficult. So you try to do ten-year trend lines to make
sure that they have the kind of facilities that they need.
Property tax revenues. The property tax revenues don't have to
show that they're going up, but you like to make sure that you're
collecting as many as you can. And if you start seeing a higher
delinquency rate is the first sign that you know that there's something
gone amuck with your property taxes. A few years back when we
were having some crisis in California, it affected this market.
It was the first time that there was any real discussion that maybe
GEOGH tax was not the all-great tax it was set up to be, meaning that
when we issue general obligations, it requires a referendum of the
people. And then you also have an unlimited tax, meaning that
whatever it is, we can raise taxes. But you can raise taxes as much as
you want. But if the property has no value, then it has no capacity to
issue debt. So that was probably the first time, at least time in the 25
years that I've been doing this, that I've actually seen the discussion
by the rating agencies that maybe property tax is not the most stable
force. Kind of an interesting twist.
Consistent shortfalls in budgeting, you don't have that in Collier.
Some places do. Tighter budgets, probably higher debt analyses, but
your budgeting and your actuals to budgeting are falling apart. But
in this particular county you don't have that problem. A couple
quick things about bonds. It's nothing more than a contract. You
agree to pay some principal and interest in specific times, and you
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agree to pay it back from a specific source of revenue. No one cares
about your operations. If I buy a Collier County bond, I want to
know that you're going to pay me back with gas tax, sales tax, or
some other revenue you have agreed to pay me back. I don't care
whether you can't open up that building. This is the interesting thing
about the bond market.
You close the building down, you just give me your gas tax.
It's a little different than, say, a home mortgage where, you know,
you need to keep the place up and running. We don't want it to go
into default. Bondholders don't care. They want their money. And
we pay well to do it. And you get -- you know, you have a tax-
exempt interest, so you're at a much lower interest rate than, say,
government bonds. Bonds are long-terms; notes are short-terms.
Commercial paper are the short-term notes we always talk about
when we come before you. They're usually less than. five years.
Governments by federal law, in accordance with the 1923 law and
then again 1986 law, you've been issued your debt on a tax-end basis,
meaning that the person that buys the tax, the interest earned on it is
not taxable. That's why the interest rates are low levels.
For instance, you'll often hear people, if we sell rates at 5
percent, the taxable equivalent, if you were to go out to a bank and
invest your money, would be, say, 8 percent. It all has to do with
your income levels. So you always and should always borrow at less
levels.
It doesn't mean you can't borrow in the taxable markets. Why a
government would borrow in the taxable markets would be somewhat
odd for a local government, but it may not be for some of your
authorities, such as your housing authorities, maybe your industrial
development authorities who have specific needs. The biggest
problem with borrowing tax exempt for those authorities, just to give
you a quick overview here, is that the federal law entanglement of
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public-private purpose gets to be too much. And after awhile you
just say, the heck with it, let's borrow with taxable. If we have to pay
200 basis points higher, the deal still works, we'll go ahead and do it.
Because one of the things that the capital markets offers to that
private group is that it's long-term access, nonrecourse, generally debt
that that individual has. For instance, if you go to a bank, they
usually say, "We'll give you a variable rate for 5 to 7 percent."
Capital markets will say, "Give me your wife, kids, and house."
The capital markets will generally say, "Give me your revenue
stream, and I'll fix it for 30 years. So those are some of the
advantages, very quickly.
Who buys municipal bonds? You'll have a lot of Wall Street
firms who will strut through here to you sometime in the next five
years if you're going to continue to issue debt and tell you that we've
got 5,000 registered brokers sitting in the City of Naples and will
clean $50 million up within matters of hours. Believe me, it's
baloney, okay? Institutional facilities, insurance companies, bond
funds buy the majority of municipal debts. Always have, always
will.
You have a small component of retail buyers we call. Those are
the $5,000 pieces and maybe $50,000 and some at $100,000 blocks
but not much more than that. And you may be able to deliver 5 to
$10 million out the door in specific tax. Big problem you have today
is interest rates are so incredibly low, who wants to be in the market
for two years with the taxes and bond for a point and a half, 2
percent, 3 percent? You go out 30 years, and you get 4 1/2 percent?
Not a lot of takers on that.
The only takers you find in the municipal market for those sort
of things are people who are managing bond portfolios. They need to
-- they'll hedge. They hedge back and forth. The individual buyer is
not all that active in the market. Pre '86 days, the individual buyer
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was very active in the market. They're not nearly as active. And it's
hard to determine because so much now has municipal bond funds.
And those are nothing more than people buying a piece of stock.
GEOGH bonds we refer to, general obligation bonds secured by
the taxing powers as your ad valorem taxes. I think everybody
knows that. Revenue bonds -- and I wish I could say that I could
make it more interesting, but the truth of the matter is, is no matter
how difficult we probably try to say we have a very complicated
business, there are only really two kinds of bonds, GEOGH and
revenues. You're going to hear when you go to an association
meeting about COPS, SWAPS, TRANS, RAMS, every other kind of
acronym that some yo-yo comes up with. Truth of the matter is, it's a
revenue bond. Some, you know -- I mean, I know the county
commissioner from ex-county's going to belly up to you and say,
"Gee, we just did a forward refunding with a TRAN and reversed out
with a COP." You know what he did? He did a financing. That's all
he did. He used the same revenue stream that you have, and there's
nothing else. All those things are nothing more than avenues of how
to do specific financings.
I threw in here also special assessments. They're a little
different. They're nothing more than a revenue also, but they're
usually for specific purposes. And we're seeing more and more
special assessment bonds being issued in the state. In fact, most of
the land development that is being done now within the State of
Florida probably have their infrastructure done by special
assessments. They create districts. The special assessments then are
assessed against the property, and they provide all the roads and
water/sewer and infrastructure.
A lot of resistance a decade ago, not much resistance anymore
today because as you can take a look around your community, there's
probably -- if there's ten major land developers, eight of them abuse
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special assessment bonds and probably have a fine-looking
community to boast about, and it seems to work pretty well.
Counties generally don't use special assessments. You can, but you
don't always have to.
One of the problems with special assessment bonds is that as a
stand-alone, special assessment, it's not a good credit. Rating
agencies and insurers don't like special assessments because they
worry about the value or if someone goes out of business. If it's a
totally built-out area, when I say totally built-out, 90 percent or more,
it becomes more attractive, and you can probably get it insured. But
less than that it becomes somewhat difficult. When I play the
underwriter's side, I issue a lot of special assessment bonds around
the State of Florida that were what we call difficult credits. I guess
they give the guy that's been around for a while the difficult credits.
What is the project for cash versus borrowing? The most
important thing you want to figure out is, is this an essential purpose?
It sounds easy, but projects do have certain essential purposes and
have certain priorities.
The useful life, pay as you acquire, which we call cash. There's
fiscal responsibility if you can afford it. You pay for all your debt,
and there's nothing wrong with not having any outstanding debt. It
also provides you with flexibility if you want to continue to pay for
debt or if you want to borrow at that time. You have flexibility to do
either/or and you are not restricted by covenants. Reduce the interest
cost. Obviously, if you don't borrow, you don't have the interest cost.
Improve your borrowing terms if you go out and borrow. If you
go to a rating agency or insurance and say, "I have no outstanding
debt and my revenues have been static or increasing," you can
probably end up with a better rate. The borrowing capacity goes up.
Pay as you use. We borrow money. And I'm not using and
plugging in any philosophical or theoretical thoughts about what you
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want to do.
Fortunately for me, that's your job. You have to decide whether
you want to borrow or cash. And pay as you use means that if you
want a 40-year road, why would you pay for it all now? Reduce your
current payments. It doesn't suck all the money out of your -- out of
the bank.
Acquisitions as-needed. You don't wait to save up for it; you
can go ahead and do it now.
General equity and then repayment of less expensive dollars.
The theory there is that if you borrow now with constant present
value rates going up, it should be less to pay for it now than to pay
for it in the future.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Bill, can I interrupt you for a second,
if I might?
MR. REAGAN: I saw you frowning. I saw a question coming.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: It's not really a frown. It's more of one
that says there's a lot of the logic to that, isn't there, if you look at just
taking any -- what's happened in terms of what's happening to our
dollar, the value of the dollar. If you look at it over a 1 O-year period,
can you project out towards the next 10 years or 20 years if you
borrowed today to do the roads or any infrastructure? How does that
really translate for us? I agree what you're telling me, but are we on a
trend line that says, this is a pretty secured trend line, better to do it
that way and then save and pay as you go?
MR. REAGAN: Not to borrow at all from a purely fiscal
standpoint. I tend to have problems with. It's almost -- and maybe I
can draw a simple analogy. It's almost like a person who has bad
credit with no borrowings. If you do not have a credit card or have
any bank relationships and then you go to borrow something, they
say, "What's your credit rating?" You have none. That's one theory.
That's one thought. So we should always try to borrow something.
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The second thought is, is that from a cash management
standpoint, you have all these dollars over here in the clerk's office
that are being invested. It's also good cash management and
marketing to also borrow money to hedge yourself against the influx
and outfluxes of the interest levels and trends.
The third thing is, is for you not to borrow and use all -- and use
all your cash on-hand to build projects or wait until you have
sufficient cash. It would probably mean you would do very little,
not unless all of a sudden county governments qualify for the Lotto.
It would be very difficult for you to proceed on. And it's just
very simple, your own personal cash management. Very few people
have the -- do not have the ability to go out and pay cash for
everything they buy in their homes and things of that nature.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Well, I may be way ahead of your
presentation -- I apologize for that but if you have low interest rates
and you have a major demand and you can secure what you have to
do, isn't this an opportune time to be using relatively cheap dollars to
get done what you have to do on a projected future knowing that
these low interest rates won't hold? They never have. Two, as
things go up and dollars become inflated, you're right back to your
scenario. So I would see this, if I'm thinking correctly, as a window
of opportunity to look at some long-range financing on key projects
as long as your revenue streams can support it.
MR. REAGAN: Absolutely. I mean, there's no better time than
to borrow right now. We haven't seen it in 20 years like this. So, I
mean, you're on point, and you're not ahead of the presentation, by
the way.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Thank you.
MR. REAGAN: Revenue analysis. When we go into and start
doing different bond transactions, we start looking at the revenues
that we want to pledge. What are the restrictions on those revenues,
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whether it's a general government revenue or an enterprise? Each
one of them has specific purposes. There may be specific reasons
why we may have a previous pledge. If you have a previous pledge,
meaning that you borrowed against that money already, you need to
take a look at the bond covenants to understand. If we do additional
borrowings, there's such a thing as what we call additional bonds test,
which is nothing more than a coverage analysis of how much debt we
have.
Your availability to pledge versus affordable to pledge. And
that's what we talked about very early on is that your real concern
when you do these borrowings is to make sure that you don't hurt
your operations. You may have that capacity and you may have that
additional bonds test capacity and that coverage leverage, but you
may not be able to afford to just purely do it without hurting your
existing revenues.
Your bond rating for credit analysis rating for the project,
underline rating of the county. Under bond rating there's really three;
S&P, Moody's --
MR. MITCHELL: Fitch.
MR. REAGAN: -- and Fitch. Thank you, Jim. My mind just
went blank there for a second. In this last transaction, to give you an
idea, we did two things. We did Moody's and S&P as an underlying
rating for the sales tax bonds. And Moody's gave us an A-1, which is
very good. And S&P gave us a AA minus, which is very good.
That's slightly up from three years ago that we did the other one, Jim?
So we're consistently improving our financial standings.
On top of that -- and then that gives you that rating to go into the
market, and that rating simply means that this is a very good
probability that these bonds will always be paid back.
The AAA rating means, which is at the top, means that absolutely,
not unconditionally, but probably has the best possible rating to have
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these bonds paid back.
You also go in with credit enhancers where we can have an
insurance company who does nothing but insure municipal bonds.
Now, the insurance, if you meet their test and their criteria, they give
you a AAA rating, and that's what we did in this transaction. We bid
that out. We analyzed their bids and selected the insurer which gave
us a AAA rating and also an underlying rating of an A, as we talked
about before.
Why do you have both the AAA and then an underlying? For
security purposes in the market with the volatility of the market
today. While we are in low interest rate environments, this market is
sloppy, meaning that we don't know what it's like from day to day.
We're kind of sitting on pins and needles right now with this one
transaction because all of a sudden with these low interest rates, we
see huge volume coming into the market next week, huge volume.
Everybody's rushing to the market. When you have huge
volume, it becomes a problem for underwriters to sell bonds because
people don't like to take down bonds. There's not a lot of update
coupled with it's at the end of the year. So all your big institutional
folks that I talked about before are closing up shop. They're getting
ready for the holidays, don't want to take any more risks, just a lot of
different activities going on. So it's not exactly a great time, which
provides you some comfort by having that underlying rating. So
if you're in the market, you're in a tough time. You have a AAA
insured on top and an underlying rating and the guy down the street
from you only has a AAA insured, buyers will tend to buy that
underlying rating.
Underlying ratings today in our economic time are probably
more meaningful -- this is Bill Reagan, not the bond market -- more
meaningful than the insurance companies because we don't know
exactly always who and when and what's behind the insurance
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companies. It tells the buyer that, wait a second, somebody outside --
this credit analysis was done by a separate S&P or Moody's, and
they're saying they have a very strong opportunity to repay this debt,
no matter what happens to the insurer. So that's one of the reasons
we added to it. The cost, by the way, is included in the insurance
policy. We don't pay twice for it, so it works out pretty well. You
also can secure your debt, very briefly, with a letter of credit
provided. That's what we do on a short-term basis. Commercial
paper, there's a letter of credit or AA letter of credit behind it. And
really what happens is, the county takes on that credit of the letter
credit.
Nonrated bonds, I would never see the county in an opportunity
or a place to issue nonrated bonds. However, you can never tell. I
have issued nonrated bonds for communities in the State of Florida.
Brevard County's an example where I did nonrated bonds. They got
themselves into a problem with the courthouse they built 15 years
ago. New commissioners came in and found out it was a COPS,
which is nothing more than a lease purchase, and then the
commissioners then decided to try to cancel the lease. The bond
community got very upset with them. They needed to issue new
bonds for a stadium that they promised the Florida Marlins.
We were hired to underwrite the bonds, and we did them in a
nonrated mode and got them done. Those are a few of the reasons
you would do it, but I don't see yourselves getting into that particular
-- if all of a sudden you take a look at your municipal market and for
whatever reasons you don't want to go through the exercise of having
an underlying rating or insurance or you can't get it and you want to
issue municipal bonds and it works for you, you would do it. But I
don't see anytime in the future that you're doing it. It's purely a
market acceptance.
Type of offering, negotiated versus competitive. You heard a lot
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of ballyhooing about this more in, I would say, years back. We
should always do our offerings competitively. As a financial advisor,
I'm not a believer in that. Each deal has to be analyzed by itself.
When we do a negotiated transaction, we still issue requests for
proposals, still analyze the fees, and it gives us the ability to go
through the process and negotiate the terms. You get a selection of
your bankers; you use their assistance in structuring. If you do a
competitive offering, you do not have those things that I said above.
What you do is, is you prepare the official statement in-house, set a
specific date and time that people shall submit bids, and then you go
from there. And the standard is, is that mail out the prospectives,
they come back, and you then analyze who has the lowest true
interest cost.
We also have what you call Intemet bidding which the county
has viewed a couple times. That's something new where people
submit their bids over the Internet. A little tense at times because it's
not like the bids are mailed in or somebody walks over with a check.
If your bid says everybody must have their bids in by noontime on
December 1 st, the bids come over the Internet literally two and three
minutes before noontime. So you're sitting there looking at a blind
screen saying, "Oh, my gosh, there are no bids for Collier County."
And all of a sudden they start popping up on the screen. It's new. It's
technically concerning the same. If something goes amuck or power
failures, thunderstorms in the afternoon, things like that -- so we, if
we do them, we do them early in the morning during the summer,
let's put it that way. I think Jim and you and a few of the other
county officials viewed one we were doing for the City of
Clearwater. Is that Pinellas County, something like that? MR. MITCHELL: Yes, right.
MR. REAGAN: And it was. It was like that. It was very short
and to the point.
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I think if you were to do GEOGH debt, if you were to ask me
what do you prefer, if you're doing general obligation debt, unlimited
debt, you'd probably go with a competitive offering. If you're doing
sales tax, gas tax in this market, I would recommend that we go
through a negotiation process with underwriters as we did in the past.
I think the bad rap that negotiated deals got years ago is there was a
lot of campaign contributions and a lot of mix-up of the money and
people got concerning that they were buying votes. All of that now
has been put to bed since -- by being a licensee we are no longer
allowed to contribute to public officials, and I think that has probably
helped the business.
In a day like today, for instance, we're printing your official
statement for your sales tax transaction.
How am I doing on time here? This is the benefit. If we were
doing a competitive deal, I would not want to be in the market next
week because we're doing a negotiated transaction. We are holding
up. We're going to see what happens to the market. We get to play it
day by day a little more, so it gives us some flexibility. One of the
reasons we went that way.
Who is part of a bond issue? First, I've explained my role as
financial advisor. Next is your bond counsel. While he's hired by
you and indirectly represents you, his true role is to represent the
bondholders. He writes the opinion, among other things, for the
bondholders telling them that this is a tax-exempt issue. And that's
the key factor that a bond counsel does besides drawing up and
structuring documents along with the financial advisor.
Underwriters, you select them. They're the people who sell your
bonds. In this particular case, your county staff and our office really
did all the structuring, all the transaction work. What we're using the
underwriters for is purely for the sales of the bonds. Underwriters
also have their own counsel.
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And then the county also has what we call a disclosure. The
county's disclosure counsel is the person who is required or
responsible for creating the disclosure document, the official
statement. Well, a lot of times that was done. And in some
instances, it was done by the underwriter's counsel. As things
progress and as you issue more debt, it's better to have your own
counsel doing that. And, by the way, the fee is lessened within the
underwriter's spread, we call it.
Trustee bank. If we have some sort of an enterprise fund where
we need to flow money into a trustee, the trustee bank would then act
as the trustee disbursing construction money and holding monies and
doing more trustee functions. But, generally, everything flows right
into the county's coffers, and it's handled by the clerk's office. Your
structuring market, you have a sale on -- I'll kind of buzz through
these things. These are just how we structure. These are the different
things that we use to provide it. A couple things in 'there is, you
know, the length of the maturity, length of the transaction, call
provisions, meaning that if someone buys a 20-year bond, they know
they won't be called out until 8 or 10 years. The lower the call,
meaning that if you can get called out earlier, the higher the interest
rate. So we have to play the market exactly the same way on that.
Marketing current and economic conditions, as we are right
now, I discussed.
Sale and process. After the sale the bonds are invested through
the clerk's office accounting on the funds, which Jim's going to talk
about. We do have ongoing reporting functions. I'll just briefly
mention that a few years back the SEC -- that's not the Southern
Southeastern Conference; that's the Securities Exchange Commission
-- they said that we want municipal bonds to look more like stocks,
meaning that if you go out into the secondary market and you want to
buy a Collier County bond that was issued in 1985, you want to have
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some sort of a reporting form that says, "This county's in good shape.
Their audits are great," and you want to have that ability to access
that. Now, you're required to do that sort of stuff. Every year we
have to file with these different agencies that anybody can go in and
check your official status and your annual reports. You have to
spend down your proceeds within specific times. Rule of thumb, 36
months after the time you issued it. If you need an extension, you
can get an extension. It's part of the old days, which is nothing more
than a duplication of what we called arbitrage bonds.
There were some communities in this state, and who knows, this
one could have been one of them themselves. They would issue
bonds to make money. You could borrow bonds at 5 percent and
reinvest them at 8 percent and keep the 3 percent spread.
The federal government said, "We don't like that, okay." So they
knocked that out. And then we -- probably if you'll hear some things
about black box bonds, that means nobody knew what was in the
black box because there were no projects. They just made money on
the bonds. And they were terrific. And some counties have made a
great living off those bonds through the early '80s. iNow they want
you to get rid of your proceeds immediately, and you're not allowed
to reinvest your monies at a higher yield. If you do, you have to give
it back. It happened to underwriters. They called it yield-burning
deal, a little different, but the same thing happened.
Restrictions on uses; if you're in an enterprise fund, water/sewer,
you don't want to use the proceeds out building roads. If you're using
your sales tax money and you say you're going to build a courthouse,
you don't want to start building roads. Try to be specific on your
projects. Not that I would argue with your buying counsel that he
wants to come back and amend the resolutions, let's try to avoid that
if we can. And that's it. And I'm open for any questions.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Members of the Board.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Bill, where are we at with the
present bond that we -- with the $5 million? MR. REAGAN: Right.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Where's it at in the stream right
now?
MR. REAGAN: Well, two things. In the stream, it's being
printed today as we speak.
We'll put it into the market tomorrow, meaning that it will go out
to all buyers. We hope that we could -- we probably will not price it
next week, okay? We held back a few days here because we were
concerned about the tax collector's building, which we're taking out
of the transaction. I don't know if you know that or not, but we're
going to take that out of the transaction. It's not a big hurt to the
transaction or to anyone else, but it was something that, because it
was a state function that we kind of had some concerns about, but if
we can get into -- slip into the market into the week of the 17th of
December, during that week we'll do it. If we don't like the market,
we're going to wait until January.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, that brings up another
question then. Where are we at with the tax collector's building?
MR. REAGAN: I knew I shouldn't have opened up that can. I
just knew it. As I said, I'm probably not qualified to answer it, but --
well, I'll answer it, if you'd like me to.
Do you want to take that mic, or do you want me to take it?
MR. OLLIFF: I'll take it. There is an attorney's opinion-- and
just so the board understands what the building's function was, was
going -- or is, is going to be to allow the tax collector to provide
certain driver's license functions that are currently a state
responsibility because there are some questions about whether it is
truly a county function or a state function being provided by the tax
collector. There was a question about whether it could be financed
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through a county-issued bond. So rather than risk that or any of the
other projects that are included in that issue, it's much simpler for us,
I think, and a better recommendation for us, at this point in time at
least, to remove that project from the project list so that there is no
question about the rest of the balance of the projects that are being
financed.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I know that Guy Carlton is
going to be banging on our doors, so hopefully -- well --
MR. OLLIFF: It doesn't make any difference in terms of the tax
collector. It's more a question about our-- how we're going to pay
for that building. And I think that we were trying to pay for it over a
period of time because it is a capital facility with a life expectancy of
over 30 years and was a good candidate for the issue. But we had
originally, when the project was brought forward, not intended to
finance it in the very beginning in the first place. And I think its
current structure is going to be paid for out of Guy's budget. We will
recognize less in terms of tutu-back or carry-forward from his
budget, in the fiscal year '03 budget. But, in essence, it becomes a
cash transaction as opposed to a financing transaction.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: So it's a nice check we get back from
the tax collector. It won't be coming forward because we have to
take off for the facility.
MR. OLLIFF: Well, I think it will be significantly less in fiscal
year '03. But I think, bottom line on that project to us and to the tax
collector, is that it is a public service function that, frankly, needs
some major improvement from our perspective. And I think Guy's
agency will be able to provide a much improved public service from
not only his operations, but from a new facility there on
Airport Road.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Short-term debt and the return?
MR. OLLIFF: Yes, sir.
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Other questions for Mr. Reagan?
MR. MITCHELL: I just want to make one comment ifI could,
Tom. Commissioner Carter had asked about the feasibility of
financing today, basically borrowing for future projects.
You have a finance committee. It's made up of Mr. Smykowski,
Mr. Reagan, the other representatives of Tom's office, and that's
exactly what they do. They look at each and every project, not only
the current projects that are on the book, but also financings that have
already taken place. And what you saw come due to you on Tuesday
night was something that was derived from that finance committee.
So Tom's staff is doing a great job in analyzing current projects and
also analyzing past financing to see how it can improve the county's
position in the market through the interest rate.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Well, I appreciate that, Jim. And my
remarks weren't in any way to say that we're not doing what we need
to do, just to make sure we as commissioners, understand what our
opportunities might be and looking to you, the finance committee, to
guide us in what would be the most feasible way for us to meet the
demands that are in front of us and how we can best accomplish that
without what I call mortgaging the future or creating a crisis
downstream because we're only doing short-term band-aiding
problems that we have inherited that we don't want to continue to
pass that along in the inheritance process.
MR. OLLIFF: The only other thing I wanted the board to get
out of this particular portion -- if you guys are going to cover this
someplace else, just tell me to be quiet. But there is very basic
categories that bonds can be issued in, and generally it's a GEOGH
bond or a revenue. Or he did mention special assessment bonds, but
I'd like for you to be able to give the board -- and it may be a better
question for Jim and maybe even David -- just what is the process for
being able to issue those types of bonds? What are the restrictions on
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county government in terms of a GEOGH bond versus a revenue
bond? And I think basically some indication-- because there's about
$2.9 million in outstanding GEOGH bonds shown on Bill's slide --
maybe just to let the board know what kind of projects we financed
through GEOGH bonds in the past.
MR. MITCHELL: Unfortunately, for this county, Tom, we'd be
very limited in GEOGH bonds. Basically, with a GEOGH bond, it's
a general obligation of the county. You're basically covenanting the
full faith and credit of the county. Basically, your tax revenue is --
the first place that they will go will be to satisfy those debt service
payments related to general obligation debt.
A general obligation debt can only be issued via referendum. It
has to be voted on by the public. There again, as you're well aware of
in this county, we don't take too many of those things to them. The
last GEOGH deal that we did, which is the one that's still on books,
it's a Marco Island park out there. It was a limited general obligation
debt. And, as Bill said, it is going to be paid off in the very near
future.
Special revenue bonds, I'm with Bill. That's pretty much the
basket of debt that we currently have, even though a big chunk of it is
in our enterprise fund. It's still what we call special revenue
enterprise debt. We do have some special assessments out there, and
special assessments are somewhat different, that you have a specific
debt for a specific area that has a specific benefit. And that's the big
difference there, is you have to be able to attach the benefit to the
people that are paying it, and that's what's used to derive the payment
related to that assessment.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Those were used in Naples Park drainage
improvements. There was a special assessments study done to
determine the benefit to each property in terms of drainage
improvement, and then the assessment against each property was then
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based on the relative benefited portion to the home. And that's a
specific example.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: The special assessment doesn't go to
referendum. But if you're going to take something else out there that
touches the ad valorem, they both go to referendum?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Right. Ad valorem is referendum. A
sales tax, gas tax does not require a referendum, but obviously there
are potential implications on your operating budget that you have to
consider.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: And special assessments are not
referendum; correct?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That is also correct.
MR. OLLIFF: So one of your upcoming projects in terms of
financing has always been looked as a probable special assessment
district is your Lely basin six project, for example. That's a very
major storm water drainage improvement project on the south end of
the county. As you know, we've been struggling trying to get
permits. We have submitted as of last Monday, our last, hopefully,
permit application for that project. We expect to get permits for that,
but that is a very large project and is probably going to require the
creation of a special assessments district and then some ensuing
bonds that will be based on that special assessment district as
repayment.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Has there ever been a situation where
a special assessment has been considered county-wide because it
affects something that everybody needs?
MR. REAGAN: You can make your district, your special
assessment district, county-wide. That would receive the benefit.
You have to do the findings and determination and methodology for
the benefit.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: You'd have to go through a process,
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no question. I'm just asking a global question here because I'm trying
to look at everything that's in front of it. MR. REAGAN: Right.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: What are the feasibilities of using
anything?
MR. REAGAN: Right.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Thank you.
MR. OLLIFF: Any other questions for Mr. Reagan?
MR. REAGAN: You know, within that book that we handed
out, I think we showed the outstanding debt in kind of a long spread
sheet format. Also, we gave you another book that shows that we
periodically once a year do a debt capacity analysis for you. You
should have one that looks like what we were just talking about and
one that talks about debt capacity. Did anybody get this one
(indicating)? I think we have some extra ones here. Why don't you
go ahead and -- and those are snapshots of that particular time, like, I
think the last one we did was in February, of what your capacity to
borrow is. So you look at that, and it becomes a little bit complicated
in certain points. But you're certainly welcome to call me or talk to
Mike or Jim, and they can kind of siphon through. But it kind of tells
you what you have available to bond sales tax, what you have
available to bond gas tax, and things of that nature. So you can kind
of-- while it's not exact, because interest rates are changing and your
projects are changing, it gives you some idea.
I think the last one we did, we did this one just for Mike in the
finance committee. We showed ours -- after this bond issue and
paying debt service on this bond service on the sales tax, what did my
analysis show approximately? We could raise about $144,000 in
project funds. That's just today. That's showing no increases in your
sales tax. That's just a static level. It's a snapshot.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And how long would this type
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of fund work?
MR. MITCHELL: About 20 years.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: So, in other words, if we were
to use this to build our roads for the next 5 years and we're buying it
for 20 years out and then we'll have to use whatever we're using that
money for at this time, to replace that, would have to come from ad
valorem?
MR. REAGAN: Ad valorem or somewhere else.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's correct.
MR. REAGAN: Right. Well, I mean, you're right on point,
Commissioner. If you need $20 million to borrow $150 million, that
$20 million is coming from something. And that's why, you know,
this whole group went through a long exercise in the sales tax
referendum.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's a paid-for decision we're
going to have to make.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: You said there's only $144,000 to
work for -- work within this one particular category. MR. REAGAN: Million.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: You meant million, right, not thousand?
MR. REAGAN: Did I say thousand? Excuse me. There's $144
million approximately of remaining capacity in the existing sales tax.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Well, your first one scared the hell out
of me.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: And approximately $150 million in gas
tax capacity. So collectively, between those two sources, you have
approximately $200 -- $290, $295 million. Obviously, that varies as
market conditions change.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, question on that. Is that
based on today's dollars coming in, or is this prorated out over a
period?
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MR. REAGAN: Today's dollars.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: So, in other words, sales tax
goes up because prices go up, and the people buy more because there
will be more people? There will be extra dollars to be able to work
with, in addition to what we got today, and they will not be -- not
have to go for this particular thing. They're free and clear. In other
words, we're pledging dollars -- a certain amount of dollars, not the
whole revenue stream?
MR. REAGAN: That's correct. I mean, you will pledge the
whole revenue stream, but you only take what you need. That's all
they're asking for. So if you're saying you're going to give them
$2,000 a year and you collect $5,000, you get the balance.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: On historical data that you have
in front of you, can you give us some sort of projection how we can
expect this to increase in other words, five years out, ten years out?
And what will we have in extra funds that we don't have today that
we'll still be able to work with, our future commissioners will be able
to work with?
MR. REAGAN: Mike will take it.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Commissioner, sales tax has typically
grown anywhere from 6 to 9, 10 percent per year. Up until last year I
think it was in the 4 to 5 percent range. And then this year, with the
recommended reductions that the State Department of Revenue --
they're calling for a relatively flat sales tax collection. So if you
bonded away your full sales tax capacity in current market
conditions, you'd have little to no growth revenues available for other
things. You would be obligating all of your sales tax for debt service.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I understand. But we're talking
about future; we're not talking today. And the future is based upon a
number of years preceding us, 10, 20 years to go forward. What we
are seeing now is a little blip in the screen. The only thing we've got
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to go with is our past to be able to project it forward.
MR. REAGAN: We do our analysis, just so you know, just
generally as a 3 percent increase every year when we're taking it out.
And that's very modest.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: So we're not totally painting
ourselves in a comer with this?
MR. REAGAN: No. No. It's during the next three to four
years. And the other thing, you're not going to borrow it all right
now. I mean, I don't know -- I haven't talked to the facility's manager
or met with your administrator directly. I don't know exactly how
much you need exactly when you need it. It's almost impossible. I
think Tom and I have had discussions about this to try to spend $150
million in six to 12 months so you're not going to be borrowing it all
today.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I see what you mean. It's going
to be projected over--
MR. SMYKOWSKI: When you borrow in series in conjunction
with project need, the 50 -- probably 40, $50 million.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And that leads to one more
question. Now, we're at historical lulls for, like, ten years now on the
interest rate. Is there some way that we could get a commitment to
be able to borrow X number of dollars over a one-year period? I see
you shaking your head no, so I won't go any farther.
MR. REAGAN: You mean a commitment that you plan to --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That the money would be
available at current interest rate, whether we use it all or not.
MR. REAGAN: No. But there are some other techniques that
we can introduce that will help lighten the burden a little bit on that.
We can talk about that as we get closer.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: How does our current plan to
substantially increase impact fees affect what we just discussed?
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MR. REAGAN: I don't know. I really don't know what you're
planning on increasing and how it's going to help you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: So this hasn't taken into
consideration any anticipated increase?
MR. REAGAN: I think that one you're looking at is probably
six, seven months old.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: The other thing about impact fees, let me
just do -- impact fees alone are a poor security. You don't just take
impact fees and go out and build a road with it. I doubt we could get
it in secured, to be honest with you, because they're very elastistic.
We don't know which way they're going and when there's one slow-
down of the economy that one tends to crumble very rapidly.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: But service fees are different?
MR. REAGAN: Yeah, service fees are revenue fees.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: We're planning on increasing both
of them, as far as you know?
MR. REAGAN: Usually what people do is, you just add your
impact fees as a secondary pledge.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Mr. Coyle brings up a good
point. As we get closer and closer to build-out, and we will in the
urban area, there will be a lesser stream of impact fees. People
coming into trading houses will not be paying those fees. That's why
the transfer--
MR. OLLIFF: Transfer tax.
MR. REAGAN: Real estate transfer tax.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That comes from the State
level. And I think you addressed this several times already -- MR. COYLE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: -- saying that we've been
looking at it for quite a few years within the county. And when you
go before the state delegations or you go to Tallahassee, make sure
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you keep that issue in front of them.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I'm surprised that that isn't a state
requirement. We can't do that locally.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: There was one that we raised what?
Six, seven -- I don't know -- earlier on this year we raised that,
Commissioner Coyle. And unlike you, I was really surprised that we
couldn't put that in the mix, but it is now one that we're asking the
state to consider in the legislative process. Whether they'll get to it
next session -- but I'm hoping -- I have more hope for 2003
legislative session than I do for the next one.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: So let's not give up.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Never give up, but the reality of
getting it is the other side of it.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: So I understand the issue, we're
asking the State to approve a property transfer tax for the entire state
or provide it as an option by county?
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I think we're asking it as a home-rule
situation by county.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I believe I'm correct in that.
MR. OLLIFF: I believe you are. The only other point that I
think is important while Bill is here is just to understand coverage
requirements a little bit. And I think when we were talking about
different type of revenue sources that are the repayment for whatever
bond you're going to issue, depending on the volatility of that, Bill
touched on, you may have a requirement for a secondary pledge of
revenue if it's very volatile and depending on the revenue stream.
You're also going to have what they call coverage requirements.
That means you're going to be required to budget and set aside an
amount of money that is larger than your actual debt service for each
year.
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So, for instance, I believe our sales tax bond issue this current time
has got a coverage requirement of 1.37 MR. REAGAN: 1.25.
MR. OLLIFF: 1.25. So that means we have to budget and set
aside 25 percent more than what the actual debt service is for each
year to make up for the fluctuating possibilities of that revenue
source. Now, that's good and it's bad. I think it's good for the
bondholder that it provides a certain amount of security that they're
going to get their payment. But on the other side of the coin, at some
point you need to recognize that we are budgeting more, especially in
what has been a traditionally growing revenue source. Then we are
probably going to need to repay debt service in terms of having some
additional sales tax revenues available. You should in the out years
have some from that alone, let alone, from sales tax growth.
MR. REAGAN: Let me add something to what Tom was
saying, is that, example, your coverage level for the sales tax with
this current debt service is, let's say, 2.5 times. That means you have
two and a half times coverage level. We keep our revenue number
static, means they do not change. But if run them out with slight
increases, as we talked about in the year 15, you'll have six to seven
times coverage.
The other thing you should -- not to make this too technical,
when you issue additional bonds, that coverage level comes into play.
What you are required to do is that your documents will say -- and
these are typical in all bond documents -- that you shall have one --
say, 125, 130 times coverage, whatever that number is -- for 18 of the
preceding months which include the new debt service. So it's an
additional bonds test. It becomes even higher than what you see. It's
just a calculation that you have to go through, but we wouldn't want
you to see just that number and then you get to pledge it all. It's some
number less that.
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MR. OLLIFF: Any other questions for Mr. Reagan before we
send him out to get on a plane? (N o response.)
MR. OLLIFF: Bill, thank you very much.
MR. REAGAN: I'd rather be here than on the plane.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: For the record, Mike Smykowski, budget
director. The remaining two components of our workshop today are
to discuss budget fundamentals, and then Mr. Mitchell will talk about
the clerk and finance department roles and issues that they addressed.
Let me talk initially, some of the core things. The purpose of a
budget. Obviously, a budget is a summary of planned revenues and
expenses for a given period of time with emphasis on the plan that as
we're preparing the budget at any given point in time, we're well in
advance of the county's fiscal year. In preparing the FY '02 budget
which was adopted for implementation this October, we send out
worksheets, and staff actually began preparing that in the February,
March time frame. So you're talking about approximately six months
of lead time. You know your estimating revenues 18 months in
advance, as well as expenditures.
So there is some, certainly some give and take, and I think the
board will have a greater appreciation, those having gone through the
last budget cycle. Obviously the budget is to balance many different
needs, taxpayers, county's commission initiatives, staff and county
department initiatives, as well as needs for facilities required by the
constitutional officers.
Who are the players and what are their roles? I'll talk quickly,
and this will be more for the benefit actually of the viewing public.
The county organizational structure and the roles of the board, the
county manager, the constitutional officers, and the distinctions
between the budget office and finance department, that is under the
clerk of court's purview.
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Board of County Commissioners obviously is the legislative
body of the county government with the power to levy taxes and
approve the annual county budget and regulate land use in the
community. County manager is the chief executive officer, one of
three contractual employees working for the county, with the others
being the county attorney and airport authority director. And he's
responsible for administering all board policies for the county. You
do have a number of constitutional officers; the property appraiser,
tax collector, sheriff, supervisor of elections, and clerk of courts:
Interestingly, the property appraiser and tax collector budgets are
approved by the State of Florida with an appeal process or appeal
right given to the counties. That's part of the whole check and
balance system, so there can't be undo influence in the budget process
to influence valuation of property, etc. But ultimately, again, the
property appraiser and tax collector's budgets are approved by the
State of Florida through the department of revenue. The sheriff also
we haven't gone that route, but the sheriff actually has an appeal
process to Tallahassee if he feels he can't fulfill his constitutional
obligations to deliver public safety in the county based on the budget
provided for by the Board of County Commissioners, and that
obviously creates a whole series of problems, because after the
budget and tax rates are established, the whole appeal process goes to
Tallahassee in the governor's cabinet. And there's some adjudication
kind of after the budget's already been established and the tax rates
have been established. And, you know, obviously, and typically, the
sheriff is seeking additional funds above and beyond what has been
provided by the Board of County Commissioners in that budget
process. So that's an interesting road that thankfully we haven't
embarked upon in Collier County.
Distinction between the office of management and budget and
finance department roles: OMB assists in developing the annual
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county spending plan. Finance verifies the revenues and expenses to
be valid and executes payment or receipt. And Mr. Mitchell will
elaborate on that in more detail in terms of the process by which bills
are paid and the whole progression from the point and expenditures
made up until the time a bill is actually paid. And then, on the back
end, the audit to verify that, in fact, everything was done in
accordance with law.
An important element is the accounting system number
sequence. It's derived from what is known as the UAS Manual,
Uniform Accounting System. And it provides a uniform system of
financial reporting for local governments, and it promotes
consistency across jurisdictions. It's a little hard to read. There is in
front of everyone at your place -- there's a Xerox copy of this. And it
shows an inverted pyramid that identifies the hierarchical structure of
the county. Initially up front there's a three-digit fund number. The
general fund being the one that's given the most attention is a one.
The number sequence does have meaning.
The special revenue funds: If a fund begins with- the digit is a
one or seven, signifies a special revenue fund. In this case you're
talking about things like MSTUs where people have taxed themselves
for a specific purpose. The debt service funds all begin with a two;
capital funds, three; enterprise funds, four; internal service funds,
five; and trust funds all begin with a six.
MR. OLLIFF: Define for the board, real quickly, just some
examples of internal service funds and trust funds so that they --
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Sure. A trust fund example would be like
the library trust fund where people bequeath money, donate money to
the library in their wills and the county acts in a trustee capacity to
ensure that those wishes are carried out. And that money is restricted
and used solely -- if someone left money to the library in their will,
obviously you can't take that money and spend it on parks. So it is in
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a specific fund separate and distinct from the library budget and the
general fund to ensure that, in fact, that money is ultimately spent on
a good or service benefiting the Collier County library system.
And internal service fund, an example there would be your fleet
management department where you're providing certain fleet
management services for all county vehicles. That's the clearest
example there.
The next component in the cost string is what we call the cost
center. It's a six-digit number. It actually provides -- identifies by
the first two digits, the division. The next two digits identify the
department, and then the last two digits identify the officer section.
So in the first case, the example here is 56380. The first two
digits, 15, signify that it's public services division. And these are
used for internal accounting and budgeting purposes. The
department, the second two digits, 63, indicates parks and recs. So
all parks and recreation cost centers will start with 1563. The last
two digits would indicate typically the location of the park. And
what we've done there is to identify the costs, as well as the revenue.
So you can see programmatically on recreation are you making
money or losing money? Is one park doing better than another?
How can we best tailor the needs of the public in those various
facilities?
MR. OLLIFF: And don't be worried. These two guys are the
only ones who will recognize numbers at that level well enough to
tell you which department or cost centers they are. You're not
expected to, or nor would you ever be expected to.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: At one point we had that number stream
in the fiscal impact section of your executive summaries. And
looking back at that process, obviously, the primary customer, so to
speak, of that fund and cost center number is typically the budget
office or someone in finance who's processing payments. So what
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we've done is tried to use plain English and use words rather than that
it's in the, parks and recreation budget, to make it plain English for
the lay reader. And then on the transmittal slip we're looking, in
terms of our review of the executive summaries, to ensure that money
is available where staff says it is to fund a contract, whatever
purpose, whatever transaction is being proposed. The board's used to
seeing the term as appropriation unit, and that is personal services,
operating capital. That's how we summarize. Obviously, personal
services are salaries and benefits. Operating are anything from
supplies to utilities. Capital out-lay, obviously, is something like a
useful life over a year and defined as being greater than $750.
And that's kind of the core distinction. Again, the object of the
numbers do have the sequence. The five is -- any object code that
begins with a five is personal services; six and seven, work capital
out-lay.
We also use, especially in the capital project area, project
numbers. Obviously, in a road fund, you may have 20 or 30 different
road projects under budget at one time. Obviously, just to have one
lump-sum number and to be able to monitor that and keep track of
how much money is available does not work very well if you did not
use a project number system. What we do is, tag on a five-digit
project number at the very end, and that signifies the specific project
to which that budget is associated. So you may have, again, 20
different segments, a number of Livingston Road segments. It would
be -- from Radio Road to Golden Gate Parkway is a segment. And
Davis to Radio Road is another segment. And we would actually
budget each of those with its own unique project number to enable us
to monitor costs and also determine how much money is available in
a given project.
Again, relating to the funds structure, obviously, the general
fund, again, gets the most attention. It's a fund for government
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services provided to all county residents, and it does include the City
of Naples, Everglades City, and the City of Marco Island. Obviously,
the primary funding source is ad valorem taxes. The special revenue
funds are used to account for specific revenue sources that are legally
or administratively restricted for specific purpose. Example would
include special taxing districts, the various beautification districts.
People come to the board and say, "As an entity in our area, we want
to tax ourselves to provide median beautification." Other examples,
special revenue funds; there are Grant funds; the county development
fund, which is funded by building permits and permit fees on
Horseshoe Drive. Anything associated with the cost of regulation of
the building industry is included in that fund.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Can I ask a question, Mike?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: With CRAs, the money that goes
back into that particular community after they've met their baseline,
what title is that under or would that be under?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Those would be special revenue funds. I
believe they're Funds 187 and 188. There's a special revenue fund,
one for Immokalee and one for the Bayshore/Avalon area specific.
So any revenues accruing to that, those are tax increment finance
where they're peeling off a piece of the general and unincorporated
area general fund monies that are being placed back into those
respective CRAs to fund future improvements. And by virtue of the
fact that it is in its own budget as a separate fund, until that money is
spent, it will obviously continue to roll over and be available for use,
and it is restricted solely to benefit those areas.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Um-hum. Thank you.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: And there's a number of funding sources
here. You have both the ad valorem taxes. You have some fees and
fines, surcharges, permit fees.
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Debt service funds: This kind of dovetails nicely with Bill's
presentation. Obviously, I used to account for payments of principal
and interest on any outstanding debt issued by the county typically,
again, funded by specific revenues pledged on each bond or loan.
Again, two principal types are general obligation bonds, which are
secured by ad valorem taxes. Again, we only have a few years of
outstanding obligation left. About 18 years ago, the board issued
general obligation bonds to fund the construction of the initial five
community parks in the community, and that is the only current
outstanding general obligation debt that the county has.
The others are various forms of revenue bonds with gas and
sales taxes. And the principal issuer in the county in terms of debt is
in water and sewer to fund, obviously, plant expansions.
Capital project funds are used to account for the revenues and
expenses to construct or acquire major capital projects in the county.
Obviously, examples, new roads, new buildings, and actually major
building renovations as well. Funded primary by impact fees, gas
taxes and a piece are also funded by ad valorem taxes in that a lot of
your reconstruction projects are not impact fee eligible because
they're not creating new capacity in the system. So you have to fall
back on either user fees in the case of water and sewer; or in terms of
general government facilities, you will be funding those through the
general fund.
Obviously, a simple example is libraries. You have a
component of your library impact fee going to fund new books as the
library system expands. But obviously, as you use books, they do not
have an indefinite shelf life. And as they become worn and outdated,
they have to be replaced. There's a certain component that still has to
be replaced on an annual basis to keep the inventory current in the
system, and that is not impact fee eligible. So the general fund picks
up a small piece of that.
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Enterprise funds are operated like a private business. Examples
include the county water and sewer district, the Goodland water
district and your solid waste funds. These are primarily user fee
funded.
Internal Service Funds, again, account for operations providing
service to other county departments. The biggest example is, again,
as I mentioned earlier, the fleet management. And you also have
self-insurance funds for risk management, and there are three. That
is property and casualty, group health and life, and worker's
compensation. And they are funded by billings for services.
In the case of fleet, based on cost in secured. In the case of risk
management, it's either by number of employees or by risk category
in terms of property and casualty. In trust and agency funds, the
board is acting in a trustee capacity. In these funds there are a
number of them. There's probably 10 or 12 funds. There is a limited
policy-making role for the board, but they are very much restricted in
use. Some of the examples, again, I mentioned the library trust fund.
There's a number of law enforcement trust funds and a drug
abuse trust fund and typically funded by donations designated for
specific purposes.
Obviously, for the benefit of the public, the budget calendar,
there are -- is a distinction. The county fiscal year obviously starts in
October versus the calendar year begilming in January -- will focus
on key dates in the budget process. And it's important to note that
many of the calendar deadlines that are required and that dictate
really our whole budget preparations schedule are dictated by Florida
statute in the truth in millage, what became known as the truth in
millage or trim process.
Calendar year, obviously, it starts -- the fiscal year starts on
October 1 st, ends on September 30th. Budget process typically
begins in September -- in February -- excuse me -- and is finalized in
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September.
In terms of calendar milestones; November, December you have
the citizens' survey. And that kind of leads us into a strategic
planning in terms of service, review of citizen needs, how they feel
about government services and the like, upcoming issues. And that
leads you into your strategic planning process.
February and March, you typically adopt a budget policy which
is kind of the basic framework for what you're going to be budgeting,
the rules that govern the process for the upcoming year. We typically
hold budget workshops in June so that you have a feel or a sense for
the ad valorem tax implications of that budget before the trim notices
are sent out. And I'll talk about that in a moment.
On July 1 you get the tax roll certification from the property
appraiser which allows you to finalize your tax rates. Obviously, the
tax rates are a function of the dollars needed -- it's actually simple
math -- divided by the taxable value. We get a preliminary estimate
on June 1 of the taxable value for planning purposes so that when we
conduct the budget workshops, we have a ballpark idea of what the
millage rate implications are.
Typically on July 1, we will get a final version that is certified to
the State Department of Revenue and is used for ultimately
calculating the tax rates that are adopted. And we release the
tentative budget July 15th. That's a statutory requirement.
Typically in late July we set the proposed millage rate. We have
until August 4th on an annual basis to get the proposed millage rates
to the property appraiser and tax collector for purposes of
establishing or preparing and filing the trim notices which go to each
individual property owner in Collier County so that they understand
the implications to their individual property of both the proposed
millage rates and the impact resulting from any changes up or down
in assessed valuation of that property obviously, in Collier County,
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for the most part. That's typically been an increase in taxable value
over time.
There has been concern noted in the past from some folks
attending the budget hearings in September, and that's the last stage
in the process in terms of adoption as prescribed in Florida Statute;
two hearings in September, a preliminary and a final. And, you
know, obviously, September is not the most populated period of time
from a calendar month in Florida.
Obviously, your seasonal residents are here typically in the
March, April period. For better or for worse, though, the process is
dictated by those Florida statutes, and we have no ability to differ
from those.
All of the taxing entities, not only Florida counties, but
independent fire districts, the South Florida Water Management
District, the school boards are all conducting their hearings in that
September time frame as well. And that is the way the statute is
established.
MR. OLLIFF: Mike?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes.
MR. OLLIFF: This would be probably a good time to take a
break. But before we took that break, if the board members have any
questions on the budget portion up to this point ...
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. And I think this is for
everybody watching. Our millage rate is --
MR. SMYKOWSKI: The general fund is 3.8772.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And we're allowed to go up to?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Ten.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And that has to meet voters'
approval?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No. We have that latitude by the --
prescribed in Florida statute, 10 mills for our county government
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purposes. And the board has the latitude, obviously, to increase the
millages based on, obviously, budgetary needs and their views as to
prioritization of projects or expenditure needs.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And on a trim notice -- and
people might refer to it as the tax bill -- we set all the millage rates
for the school and fire districts and --
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Technically we don't. They are all listed
on one notice, all the taxing jurisdictions. It comes out from the
property appraiser. But the ones that fall under the domain of the
Board of County Commissioners are to be the general fund and a
number of MSTUs, but the school board, the South Florida Water
Management District, the city millages are all governed by separate
elective governmental bodies, just like you are, that are making
individual decisions on their respective budgets and tax rates, just
like the board is.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I think that's probably the most
difficult communications that we have is to get the taxpayer to
understand that ours is one portion that we are accountable for, and
the other entities are accountable for what they do. And that is a
major, major hurdle of communications for us to get across, and I
don't know the answer to it other than we've got to keep repeating and
repeating and repeating that this is the process.
Also is, you know, the criticism that you mentioned about why
do we do this in September? It is not only, as I understand, the State
of Florida. But I don't know how many other states -- maybe it's
nationally -- they all go through the same budgetary process.
Counties nation-wide do this. We just happen to live in an area,
because of a lot of seasonal ownership and visitors, that we fall to this
criticism. But it is, as you said, state statute. And I think it just
behooves everyone to pay attention to that trim notice when you get it
in July because if you have a question, that's the time to begin to raise
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the questions back to the Board of County Commissioners.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That's correct. Some of the slides I have
in the balance of my presentation also focus on the relative share of
the tax bill, school board versus county versus city versus other
independent districts.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: And you may touch on this on the rest
of your presentation, but we still, out of 67 counties, have the lowest
ad valorem tax rate. And, also I think the question that comes up
because of assessed valuation, there is a clustering of counties that we
looked at that are similar to our assessed valuations that show that
Collier is within a basket of saying that -- you know, comparable
counties, that we really are a fiscally conservative county in terms of
what we have to do to provide services.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That is true. In speaking with Mr.
Arnold, who will be the lobbyist for the county, that was one of the
first questions, what is the county's current millage rate because,
frankly, while the board has been conservative, and it is low, that
actually works against you in Tallahassee when you are up there, you
know, looking for funding. The first question from them is, are you
levying 10 mills like some of the other counties? So it's kind of a
hit-or-miss situation.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: There's an additional
consideration, and that is that our property owners here have not gone
without property tax increases. They have been hit with some fairly
substantial property tax increases merely because our property is
becoming more and more valuable. And inflation here is far greater
than inflation in a lot of other counties that have higher millage tax
rates. So I think we must not lose sight of the fact that our people are
paying a lot of taxes merely because their property is valuable, not
necessarily because of the millage rate.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: And in the last couple of years, because
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the "Save Our Homes Initiative," you've also had a major
redistributable effect because of the fact that homeowners with the
homestead exemption are capped at 3 percent or CPI on the increase
in their value, shifting the burden to nonhomestead properties, as well
as commercial properties. And that's typically who you heard from
in terms of-- I know the letters I responded to this year were a lot of
out-of-state owners whose values had skyrocketed 30, 40, .50 percent
or better.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And an increase who were
homesteaded elsewhere.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Correct.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Or businesses.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Who are multiproperty owners
and own more than one property.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Well, the other side of it is, we still
don't -- I don't know the exact number. What is it? Seventy-eight
percent of our taxes, ad valorem taxes, are paid by individual
property owners. We do not have the industrial business
technological park kind of basis of which there's any major
absorption by both businesses. And until we can get businesses here
like medical research facilities or high-tech parks and things where
you shift some of that absorption in your tax rate, we will continually
be confronted with the brunt falling on individual property owners.
So I think that's all got to go into the mix.
We're running over in the break time. Let's take 10 or 15
minutes here and let magic fingers get a rest. (Thereupon, a brief recess was taken.)
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Okay. Welcome back to our listening
audience. We are in the midpoint of the workshop of budget and
finance that is helping all of the county commissioners look at any
and all possibilities in which we're not only dealing with the current
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situations, but the furore. And if you're just joining us, please, at your
earliest opportunity replay it on our government channel and watch it
all and watch the first part because you will get great insight in what
our financing conditions are. Mr. Smykowski.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, sir. Thank you.
Welcome back. Now, the next item I'd like to talk about is
budget-monitoring tools that are available. First and foremost in that
is the financial management system which provides real-time
transaction updates. At the desktop they can see currently how much
money has been expended year to date against the budget, what
encumbrances are outstanding? It gives that specific detail in terms
of vendors. It also shows revenue transactions as they occur as well.
For instance, if you look at impact fees in the morning and look in the
afternoon, the number will be different because it is, in fact, real time.
So it is the best source of information in terms of being most up to
date and accurate.
There's also monthly revenue and expenditure reports that are
available -- the county manager on a quarterly basis brings that out --
the vital signs report to the board and for the benefit of the public.
And a new initiative is the capital projects tracking system.
Obviously, as we're in the midst of a number of aggressive
construction campaigns, roads, utilities, etc., the sheer volume of
projects themselves and at what page they are and what stage of
budget, what stage to completion, remaining schedule, just a sheer
volume of information to try to stay on top of. We feel that's going to
be a good tool, both for staff, as well as the board, to manage that
process a little bit.
Budget versus cash distinction is very important. Obviously, the
budget is the summary of planned revenues and expenses for a given
period. And according to Florida law, obviously budget revenues
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must equal budget expenditures.
Cash is obviously money available to pay for the planned
expenditures found in the budget. You can't have an expenditure
without a budgetary appropriation. If you don't have the cash, you
can't have an expenditure. And what you really need -- the ideal
combination is obviously budget and the available cash. And we'll
walk through that. The next few slides show a real-life example of a
planned budget and what happens in the worst case if the actual cash
does not materialize.
Here's a specific example from this year's beach renourishment
fund. Obviously, revenues equals expenditures. The left-hand side
of the ledger here is the revenue side, total revenues of $17.7 million.
However, it's important to note that the first item, tourist tax revenue,
is budgeted with new revenue coming in anticipated this year at $6.4
million.
Now, on the expense side, obviously, again, we are in
equilibrium. There's $17.7 million in total projects and reserves with
projects making up $10.1 million to be aggressive on beach
restoration efforts.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Might I interrupt you for just a
second?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Sure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: With the tourist tax, is that figure
that you are estimating? This 6.4, was that arrived after the
September 1 lth tragedy?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No, that was before.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That was before. Now, the next slide is a
what-if, kind of, worst-case example. You note that on the right-hand
side, the projects are still budgeted at $17.7 million. You're barreling
along, but on the left-hand side of the ledger, suddenly what if tourist
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tax only brings in $1.4 million instead of the previous $6.4 million?
Obviously, you see total revenues from a -- would only be $12.7
million versus your anticipated $17.7 million in total expenditures.
What they do in those situations -- you do have some built-in
budgetary safety valves.
Contingency reserves: You're budgeting a minimum of 5 percent
per operating fund, and those are available for unanticipated expenses
and/or emergencies. In addition, state law requires that you only
appropriate 95 cents on the dollar. That's to provide a built-in
safeguard against overly aggressive revenue estimates and/or revenue
shortfalls. Obviously, that helps.
Some of the built-in protection that you will see the benefit of
this year is in tourist tax revenues and sales and gas taxes following
the September 1 lth terroristic attacks and the resulting impacts on
tourism in this community.
Obviously, the first 5 percent shortfall, so to speak, is observed
in this cushion thafs built in, this built-in safety valve that state law
requires. Here it is. It's 95 cents on the dollar. Example, if you have
$1,000 in revenue, your 5 percent revenue reserve is $50. Your net
appropriation that you could budget for expenditures would only be
$950. So, again, there is that built-in safeguard.
Overall, the size and scope of the budget: There are 130
different funds. I talked about the various fund types earlier, special
revenue, enterprise, trust funds, etc. There are 130 different funds
currently in use in Monroe County.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Mike, excuse me, before you leave
your tourist area.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: You presented that at the last board
meeting showing worst-case scenarios and how we would reduce and
delay to accommodate the worse-case scenarios. So our listening
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audience does not get the impression that we haven't already done
that, we have done that. And we have the projections, and we have
already curtailed projects. And we've already deferred so that we are
not in trouble and only doing what is significantly important.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That is correct. And I backed up to that
slide again just to reiterate this. Obviously, in the event that you had
a $5 million shortfall in this tax -- in this beach renourishment fund,
you're looking at total revenues of $12.7 million. On the expenditure
side, you've still got 17.7 to bring the budget back into equilibrium in
terms of, the initial budget was in equilibrium, but now you have to
deal with what are the actuals likely to be. If you're anticipating only
$12.7 in total revenue, you obviously have to decrease budgeted
projects by $5 million to bring that back into equilibrium at $12.7
million.
MR. OLLIFF: Mike was only using this as an example to show
you in particular a fund that is contingent upon a fairly volatile
revenue source.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Right.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: But I didn't want the confusion out
there, Tom, because people are watching this thing. And they'll say,
"Oh, what did they do?" Well, we've already done it. We
accommodated for that $5 million in this example. So if everybody
just goes--
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That is correct.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: -- back and looks at it, they know that
it's already been done. The County Commissioners are responsible
and have taken action already.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: In this worst-case.scenario, in the event
that that were to come to fruition, you have deferred the Vanderbilt of
parking garage, which is a substantial amount to bring that budget
back into an equilibrium stand.
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CHAIRMAN CARTER: And we didn't hurt current beach
renourishment projects. So the saying gets back on the beach, we do
the things that have to be taken care of. So I would like people to rest
easy that we have made the adjustments in areas that really wouldn't
hurt the beach itself.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That is correct. Let me jump back ahead
here. Okay. Where dollars go, the 2002 budget: There's a whole
host of things here. They're defined by function activity number,
which sounds like a jargonistic term, but each cost center -- we talked
about the cost center number -- within the uniform accounting
standards, there is a function activity associated with each cost center
budget so, in other words, physical environment. Intuitively, that
doesn't tell you what that is, but those are things like utilities, solid
waste, and storm water management, management of the physical
environment.
Obviously, transportation is -- makes up 14.7 percent. Public
safety would include things such as, obviously, the sheriff, the
various fire, EMS and medical examiner functions. Human services
and economic environment are things like housing and urban
improvement, veteran services, and your contract with the Economic
Development Council.
General government includes things like the county manager
agency, kind of the core functions of government, the Board of
County Commissioner's Office, the tax collector, the airport
authority, etc. This gives you a breakdown just by type of
expenditure, what the annual appropriations are in place for.
Obviously, the flip side to that, the corollary, is available
revenues. It's a total of all funds. Of note is that ad valorem actually
makes up, in the total county budget, only makes up 13.6 percent,
$150 million of the total county budget. And that's because, again,
you have those 130 various and distinct funds, a large component of
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which are your enterprise funds, such as utilities, solid waste.
One thing I'll talk about, enterprise and solid waste are covered
under service charges; gas and sales taxes, obviously a key inter-
governmental revenue that we have; permits, things like obviously
our building permits. Impact fees represent almost $40 million, and
there's a budget of dollars of revenue. And you go back ten years,
and it was probably -- I don't know -- ifI had to guess, 12 to $15
million. So in terms of volume and in terms of the number of new
impact fees that are currently in place, that has had a tremendous
impact overall in magnitude in terms of what percentage of the total
budget that is. The other thing I'd like to talk about, and we'll get into
in the next couple slides, is carry-forward. That's an often-
misunderstood issue and a subject of great discussion as we talk
about the annual budget.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What was internals?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Internals are things like transfers.
Internals are things like transfers. For instance, the sheriff has a
separate stand-alone operating fund. He is funded via 100 percent
from a transfer from the county general fund. So you have the
sheriffs budget as a core component of your general fund, but also as
a stand-alone fund so the transfer-- it is funded by a transfer from the
general fund. That is, quote, a double-budgeted item, in effect, and
those interfund transfers from one place to another are -- primarily
the constitutional officers are funded, as well as some of your capital
project funds as well.
When you transfer money from the general fund to a capital
project fund for projects, they are not impact fee eligible for those
renovation-type projects that we talked about. In terms of total
county taxes levied, on the board's side, the general fund, obviously,
being the principal general government activity of the county
represents almost 85 percent of the total county taxes levied.
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MSTUs cover approximately 14 percent. And those
demonstrate how the board has used a mechanism to finance -- local
government to fine-tune it, in terms of people who want additional
services paying for that level of service above and beyond what is
provided at that core level to all taxpayers uniformly across the
board.
The dependent special districts is the pollution control fund,
which was a separately enacted ordinance following a voted
referendum. In terms of the uses of the general fund tax dollars, this
is done on a proportionate basis relative to everyone's percentage
share of total appropriations in the general fund. The constitutional
officers comprise almost 55 percent of the total general fund budget.
Now, that would be between sheriff, supervisor of elections, the piece
of the clerk's budget that's funded and the fees that are actually
required, the tax collector fees. It's not representative of his budget
per se. Those are the fees on the ad valorem that's actually levied in
the general fund. Those comprise 55 percent. The county manager's
28.6 percent. Those are a core. The board and county attorney have
a small percentage, approximately 3 percent, as does courts.
Transfers to other operating funds, 6 percent, and reserves, 4.6
percent. We had alluded to these slides before our break talking
about a particular unincorporated area tax bill and What that is
comprised of. It's approximately 15 mills across all taxing
jurisdictions with the school board taking the lion's share at
approximately 50 percent of a total tax bill. The county's share
through its general fund is 27.4 percent. MSTUs or municipal
service taxing units are levied by the county, but at the behest of
taxpayers who have requested the board to levy special taxes for
limited-purpose items such as median beautification and the like.
Fire control represents 10 1/2 percent, and mosquito control 1
percent. And the South Florida Water Management and Big Cypress
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Basin Board take another 3 percent. So, overall, the County, again,
27 percent, plus you could incorporate the MSTUs. But those are,
again, citizen-initiated taxes.
Of the MSTU taxes levied, the bulk of those are in the
unincorporated area general fund. Collier County is a little bit of an
anomaly because of its large unincorporated area population.
Because there is not a city government to provide those core
government services in that outlying area, the county steps in and
becomes the principal service provider.
In contrast to that to something like Pinellas County where
you're going to have one cookie-cutter city after another and the
county government itself does not have to -- is not put in the position
of being a core service provider in that unincorporated area, they just
provide those core general government services. In this case Collier
County's is a bit of an anomaly where the bulk of the population is, in
fact, in an unincorporated area with the county being, again, the
principal service provider.
MSTU advantages provide a means of funding additional
services, again, above that base level. It's customized local
government service and allocates the cost of the principal
beneficiaries of that service. In other words, if Lely wants to do
beautification, those people and only those people are paying for that
small beautification segment, as they are the principal beneficiaries in
that area. That really doesn't have a benefit to someone who lives in
North Naples.
MR. OLLIFF: I'm going to jump in here real quick just to get
the board to at least think in the broad term a little bit about what
county government's role is a little bit. We had this discussion early
on in the budget process. But I will tell you that I think there's a
fundamental question to be answered here in that historically, county
governments were put in place to provide what I would typically call
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a rural level of service. It was to provide services, governmental-type
services for the unincorporated areas of communities. As
communities became incorporated, the cities in their term provided
what was more generally accepted as municipal level of service.
They provided the higher levels of service that communities wanted
and was a large reason why they incorporated. They wanted a higher
level of service in a number of areas.
Florida has grown so quickly, and Collier County is certainly no
exception, so that county governments are now being looked at to
provide what has traditionally been municipal-type services. And I
think if you look at what the demands are for our services in the
unincorporated area, they are the types of services that would have
been performed a decade or 20 years ago by municipalities.
We are providing a fairly significant park system, for example, the
community. We're providing a very significant library department
county-wide for this community. We provide code enforcement for
this county where, in most cases, that was probably historically
looked at as a municipal-type service. As the county grows, I think
one of the issues that we are going to face and is going to require
some very difficult decisions on the board is the movement of the
population eastward in this community where, in honesty, the taxable
values are not as high, the densities are fairly low, the distances to
provide services are greater, so the cost to provide service out there is
going to be significantly higher, while the tax base is not as high and
the demand is continuing to change.
I will tell you, a decade ago people were moving east to get
away from the urban area because they wanted to be away from
urban services, but more and more and more what you're seeing is
people moving out east because it is the affordable place to buy
property and to build a home. And the people that are moving out
there now are not moving to get away, but simply moving there
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because it's affordable. And now we're starting to see a demand for
those urban-type services, grow and grow and grow. And you're
going to continue to see pressure on this board to start providing
services like EMS stations, libraries, parks, all of those things out in
what has been known as the rural estates area on a growing, growing,
growing basis. And I think the cost to providing those services is
going to be significantly higher than it ever has been in the urban
area, simply because the magnitude of size and the lower densities.
And it's just sort of a trend I think you need to be aware of, as we
start moving into future developments and budgets.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: The last item I'd like to discuss today is an
often-misunderstood item which is carry-forward. I'd like to focus on
what it is, what-- its relative percentages of the total budget itself;
where it comes from; and why it's actually necessary, according to
the various fund types, in order of magnitude, $20 million, 18 1/2
percent of the total revenue in the FY '02 budget. What is carry-
forward? It's the unspent money available at the end of a fiscal year
to fund expenditures in the subsequent fiscal year and its use. It's
budgeted as a revenue source in the annual county budget.
And here's a simple formula. The technical formula, you take
the beginning fund balance, plus, in this case, the FY '01 revenues,
subtract out what we actually expended in FY '01, and that will give
us our beginning fund balance in the subsequent fiscal year. A real-
life formula for the lay reader, anyone watching today, would simply
be -- an example, if you open up a bank account, your beginning
balance is your initial deposit. Throughout the course of a year,
obviously, you deposit paychecks. Over the course of a year you
spend money on either home loans, car loans, electricity, food, etc.
And the question is, how much money is in the bank at the end of the
fiscal year? Is it more or less than it was at the beginning of the fiscal
year?
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By fund type, this shows where the bulk of that money is
concentrated. Enterprise funds is the largest component. And I have
a slide that will talk about the carry-forward by a specific fund type
itself and why that is required. In the general fund, obviously, carry-
forward helps us fund operations prior to the receipt of tax revenues.
The county fiscal year, again, begins on October 1 st. You're not
receiving tax revenue, typically the bulk of the tax revenue,
beginning until late November. So the first seven, eight weeks of the
county's fiscal year you're financing operations through available
carry-forward revenue, and whatever small revenues on a monthly-
basis come into the county.
And ad valorem represents 67.4 percent of the general fund
revenue. So the biggest piece of your revenue isn't -- doesn't even
begin to be collected until late November, and you have large
expenditures in the beginning of the year. Your constitutional office
of budgets, they have monthly draws, October, November, on the 1st
of each month typically. So, obviously, you're making major
expenditures on the 1st of the month, so you've paid out one-sixth of
the constitutional office of budgets on November 1 st before you've
gotten dollar one of your ad valorem tax revenue. And that, again, is
two-thirds of the revenue source that is available. Carry-forward is
also a measure of financial strength. A carry-forward of
approximately 10 percent of general fund appropriation is
recommended.
In talking about financial strength, some of the credit agencies
that Bill Reagan talked about earlier also evaluate -- have some
specific concerns relative to Florida counties. And that includes
reliance on the tourist industry, the threat of hurricanes to Florida
coastal areas, and uncertainty regarding the Article 5, port funding.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Tom, before we go too much
further, how do we stand in that period of time when we adopted the
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budget and the time that we're at now that we're receiving the cash for
the day-to-day operation of the constitutional officers, so on and so
forth? Do we have enough funds to cover that?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes. Now, I will tell you it was -- it gets
tighter every year.
Obviously, as the budgets grow and the dependence on ad
valorem grows, we're not any different really than any other Florida
County. The general fund -- the predominant source of revenue is
property taxes. And the Florida laws relative to constitutional officer
draws are also very, very specific now.
We work very closely with Mr. Mitchell's office to manage the
cash flow. Obviously, from a fiscal standpoint, we try in the early
part of the fiscal year to minimize the outflow of money in terms of
transfers to other funds while maximizing any revenue, bringing any
revenue into the general fund that is humanly possible.
The indirect service charge, any operating transfers we have
from other funds that are a general fund revenue, we tend to bring
those into the county fiscal year into the general fund at the beginning
of the fiscal year to maximize that cash position until the ad valorem
taxes are received. The sheriffs office also worked with us in terms
of their November draw, breaking that down into component pieces
to help us manage that cash flow. But now that we've received that
first flow of ad valorem, we're through the premiere crunch period
that we have on an annual basis.
MR. OLLIFF: I think the clerk as well.
MR. MITCHELL: Actually, we didn't have to do anything with
the clerk's draw this year.
One of the things that Mike didn't allude to, but October 1 is a
huge draw in the general fund because of the way the statute sets out
the transfers. And that is that a quarter of a lot of the constitutional
officers' budget comes out at one time. And then the remainder is
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split over a levy that goes out. So they're receiving a quarter of their
budget for a fiscal year where you have not received one dollar for
funding -- where your funding source has not come to fruition yet.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Are you saying that a quarter
comes out of the first part of the quarter -- or first part of the budget
year?
MR. MITCHELL: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Wow.
MR. MITCHELL: Absolutely. So you're dealing with a quarter
of that budget right up front when you haven't received the first
dollar. So Mike and his staff did a great job and also my staff in
coordinating this thing, and that is something we have to look at on a
daily basis to see exactly where we're at.
One of the things you'll see as we move forward is that, you
guys, from cash perspective, you're very helpful. But that cash is put
into various funds and we have to look at this one from a general
fund perspective. And, also, one of the things that Mike and I do is
we look at the inevitable. Well, what happens if we don't have
enough cash from the general fund to meet our obligations? That's
where we're prepared to go to Tom and look at some alternatives
there, but it's a tough task when you're funding an operation for a
quarter of the year before you've received one dollar to do that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I have another question with regard
to this also. With the constitutional officers, they give us so much
money back every year. What funds does that go into, and does that
help to finance this?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That does. All the unspent funds from the
constitutional officers are, we call it, mm-back revenue. They're
required to mm that back within 30 days of the close of the fiscal
year.
MR. MITCHELL: But there again, you have a timing issue
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there because the way that the law reads on that, you are required to
fund this constitutional the first meeting of the fiscal year, which you
have not received the mm-back at that time. They're not required to
give you that mm-back until 30 days after the close of your fiscal
cycle. So there again, you're in that timing issue where even though
you've got monies coming in, you have to have monies going out.
And it's a real tough situation, and my hat's off to Mike again for the
way that he handled it this year.
COMMISSIONER HENN1NG: And what I heard you say is, as
our general funds increase or ad valorem increases, there's more of a
demand on it. Therefore, we have -- we must reserve that same
amount for the cases of that first fiscal cycle where that quarter
comes out.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: What is the recommended
reserve for the general fund, rule of thumb?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Probably 10 to 15 percent of total
appropriations.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Is there an alternative? Can the
law be changed? Do the constitutional officers really require 24 -- 25
percent of the total budget?
MR. MITCHELL: That's not a question that I can really answer.
We're predicated by what's in the statutes. COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay.
MR. MITCHELL: I'm sure that's something that can be
addressed. But are there alternatives? The answer to that is yes.
And I'll be up front with you. Your county manager and my office,
along with the clerk of the circuit court, are exploring some other
alternatives that's going to do two things. Number one, it's going to
relieve the stress that you have on your general fund at the beginning
of the fiscal cycle. And, hopefully, it's going to give you some
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additional borrowing capacity as we move into looking at your
transportation. And that's something that if Tom wanted to expand
on that--
MR. OLLIFF: Go ahead.
MR. MITCHELL: Okay. The statutes are very clear on how the
sheriff is funded and how the supervisor of elections is funded and
where the revenues for the tax collector and the property appraiser
come from. Those are primarily fees.
The clerk of the circuit court has traditionally been funded from
transfer. That is, that we perform functions as ex-officio clerks of the
Board of County Commissioners that are strictly those functions
related to your offices, primarily our board minutes and record shop;
my finance and accounting shop; and your court -- your county court
functions, which that is included as a transfer component of your
general fund budget. That has been in place for a number of years.
And, actually, I think there is a resolution that adopted that type of
mechanism for funding the county portion of the clerk's budget. And
the clerk's budget is primarily 50 percent funded by transfer and 50
percent funded by fees that are derived from the services that we
provide primarily in the court's area.
There is a provision in Chapter 2833 of the statutes that dictates
that the clerk of the circuit court shall invest your money in
accordance with Chapter 218.415. And he will also take the interest
off of those monies and record them as revenue to his office.
Currently what we do is, we record the revenue off of those
investments to the corpus, whoever's investing those monies, be it the
general fund, be it the water and sewer, whatever the corpus is at.
And the end of the year, he will turn those unused revenues to you.
We have never utilized that as a funding mechanism for the
clerk's office. But in exploring it, we do see where there is some
benefit to it. And the one thing the clerk has stated is that he's not
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going to make any radical changes. He wants to work with Mr.
Olliff, and at some point with you guys, before making any changes
in the way our office is funded. The statute is silent about a transfer
from your general fund to the clerk. His revenue streams are dictated
in Chapter 28. Primarily he is a fee officer.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: So we can explore that process and do
it -- I don't want to call it on safe ground because I know the other
part that you look at are challenges by any entity that we can or can't
so that we may have that as a basis.
MR. MITCHELL: I think it's already been challenged, sir, and
that is that there's several attorney general's opinions out there that
are right on point to this. And I think the statute is pretty clear on
that mechanism being available for us. Now, it would be a radical
change based on what we're accustomed to and something that we are
going to talk -- look at and in great detail before we ever make any
changes.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Okay.
MR. MITCHELL: But the beauty of it is the fact that you do
have a large cash influx at the beginning of the year, a huge influx of
cash at the beginning of the year. To give you an example -- and
that's something we were going to talk about in my presentation --
but from an interest standpoint alone, we generated last year about
$17 million. Now, you have to take the -- in fact, some numbers off
of that because you are funding the clerk's office to date to the tune of
about $5 ½ million. So you're talking somewhere around $12 million
potentially that comes available at the 1st of the year, within 30 days
of the close of the fiscal year. And that's available for
reappropriation of the general fund, basically, however you want to
use it.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Let me ask you this: If we go in that
direction -- I don't know how soon you can come to us, but we're
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making some very critical decisions as a board. And if we have that
alternative in our mix, that certainly changes my thinking in how I
deal with what's in front of us. And if that's bondable, that also gives
us another big opportunity not to get ourselves in trouble.
MR. MITCHELL: Right. The revenue stream that we're talking
about would not be something I'd recommend, hedge your bonds, but
it would free up other revenues that you're currently using that could
be used to fill holes that's available for bondable revenue, primarily
your gas tax. If you're using gas taxes for maintenance, you can use
those monies for bondable revenue and then fill in with these monies
right here.
And let me just tell you, this is something that Tom's office and
Dwight's and myself have been in a lot of communications about.
We want to make sure we explore -- also David Weigel's office. We
want to explore as much as we can before we -- and I had no
intention of discussing this with you today, but since it came up, we
want to get it out there as well as we can. CHAIRMAN CARTER: Sure.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Jim, I have another question.
Does the statute permit the constitutional officers to voluntarily
forego the payment of the entire 25 percent for 30 days or so?
MR. MITCHELL: The answer to that question is, there's no
prohibition against it. That is a decision that the constitutional officer
will make. Now, let me give you an example of what Mike's staff did
this year is, they did work with the Sheriff, and he agreed to take his
draw component in segments. So he didn't receive all of it at one
point. He took it as he needed it. But that's something that you can
ask for as a constitutional officer -- keep in mind, there's only three
constitutional officers that are dependent on that transfer: The clerk,
which we're dealing with that one; the sheriff; and also the supervisor
of elections.
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, you know, they all seem to
need some additional office space, so maybe we can bargain on that
basis.
MR. MITCHELL: I'm going to leave that one alone.
MR. OLLIFF: The opportunity that Jim's bringing to you today
is exceptionally interesting. I think it's something that we are going
to pursue, but I don't think it's anything that you could take advantage
of until your fiscal year '03 budget. And I think by the time we get
back with you for budget policy development in February/March
time frame of this year, hopefully we'll have some details on this
thing flushed out enough that both Dwight, Jim, Mike, and I are
comfortable in being able to present something to you.
But the opportunity is real, and I think the opportunity is not
only in gas taxes, but also in sales taxes. As Commissioner Coletta
was mentioning earlier, if you're bonding that, if you're bonding those
available sources, it is an avenue to provide a revenue source to fill in
behind that and perhaps provide some gap filling.
The interesting thing that Jim's bringing to you here is that
there's not a restriction in terms of the type of fund interest that's
being used. So, for instance, revenue from any of your current
funding sources is an available funding source to fund what has
traditionally been an ad valorem tax-supported operation. So that
includes all of your enterprise funds. That includes your impact fee
funds. And we do need to go back and look at which of those funds
do have bond covenants associated within primarily on the utility side
that wouldn't allow us to use that. But other than those restrictions,
Jim, Dwight, Mike, nor I have seen anything that would prevent us
from being able to do this.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Good.
COMMISSIONER HENN1NG: Well, this sounds really
exciting. And I know that our Friday afternoon get-together is, we're
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looking at replacing those gas taxes. Maybe this is part of the puzzle.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Well, I'm with you, Commissioner
Henning, because it now gives me a new framework of which to
approach the workshop that took place on Friday. Looking at, I know
we don't have any guarantees for this future, but by the next budget
year, it's certainly going to give us a different perspective on how we
deal with all of this, which for this commissioner helps me in what
I've got to do short term with some opportunities coming longer term.
MR. OLLIFF: And keep in mind, this is not the magic beam.
There's not enough here to solve any and all of the problems that are
out there, but it's certainly going to be, I think, part of the puzzle and
one of the pieces that you can use.
Mike, do you want to keep us moving?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Sure. Let me click through the rest here.
In terms of carry-forward, again, in special revenue funds, why is
there a large carry-forward balance? You've got TDC reserves for
beach renourishment disaster/recovery; community development
fund reserve to weather the cyclical nature of the construction
industry. Pelican Bay established a large reserve to replace
landscaping in the event of a natural disaster.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: That's the MSTBU?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: That is correct. The MSTBU in the debt
service funds, carry-forward reserves, are required by bond covenants
where you have the highest outstanding annual debt service payment
in reserve to ensure that you have the fiscal means to repay that
principal and interest.
And you also have cash flow reserves. A lot of your-- some of
your payments are actually on the 1st of the fiscal year. And,
obviously, your revenue may not arrive on day one of the fiscal year,
so you have to set up a sinking fund to ensure that you have adequate
cash on hand to make that principal payment at the beginning of the
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fiscal year.
And capital project funds, there are a number of impacts based
on the timing of the construction cycle. Obviously, project schedules
are impacted by permitting agencies, as we well know, as well as
acquisition of right-of-way. Project need itself is not eliminated, but
it does impact the ultimate project timing and the expenditure of the
cash. Many projects themselves span multiple fiscal years where the
payout is spread out over a number of years. Even though you get
the contract today, you may not ultimately spend down the final
component of that contract for a two-year period.
You also have a certificate plus and capacity when you build in
excess capacity on the impact fee side followed by collections until
the next required project, for example, in libraries. You get to the
point of nearing deficiency; you build that next headquarters library.
Like for a building, you have capacity for a number of years. Then
you're collecting impact fees for four or five years until that next
eventual library facility itself is required.
Enterprise funds: The utility construction projects are much the
same as the capital projects. There's utility debt service subject to the
same bond component. And in the solid waste fund, obviously,
there's a reserve that was established for the ultimate long-term
solution to the solid waste disposal in Collier County, which we
haven't arrived at quite yet.
The internal service Funds: You have a sinking fund for the
replacement of the motor pool vehicles. As I indicated previously,
you're self-insured for health claims, property and casualty claims,
and worker's compensation. So you have to have cash on hand to
meet those obligations, both current and future. So you do have --
and those are dictated. We do an annual actuarial study to determine
that the reserves you have on hand are, in effect, substantial enough
to cover the estimated cost of ultimately paying out all of those
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claims.
And the trust and agency funds: The utility regulation trust fund
regulates privately owned utilities. Funds were established for rate-
case public hearings. And ultimately the board could be -- take the
position as receiver of an abandoned -- or a utility that's in financial
distress. So there's reserve there to cover that eventuality. GAC
Land Trust is another example where improvements are dedicated
solely to improvements in the Golden Gate Estates area.
Obviously, until that committee makes a decision on where that
money's going to be spent, that money will continue to roll over.
That's part of the reason why you have the large fund balance that
you do by varying fund type. And with that, I'll turn it over to Jim
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Could I just make a statement and
see if I can get concurrence of the other commissioners to do
something? The way we are required to budget is, in my opinion,
very complex and inefficient, and we're not going to be able to
change that at all. But it's very important to me to understand how to
best make long-term decisions to have very clear sources and uses of
funds. We have pie chart -- the pie charts that we've seen today that
give us a snapshot of those things.
The problem is that our decisions will affect what happens 5, 10,
or 15 years from now, particularly on bonding decisions. It would be
far easier for me to consider a bonding issue if I clearly understood
where the funds were coming from, how they were currently being
used, and how those funds were likely to grow in future years,
thereby creating an excess or reserve that might provide us more
funding opportunity.
And to give you an example, if we took water and sewer rates as
a source of income -- and we have a chart-- it shows how
water/sewer rates are increasing over time based upon our new
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impact and service fees. And then below that line are the other lines
which indicate how that money is being currently used. And the
difference between the lines would be the growing, hopefully
growing, access as we move out into the 5-, 10-, ! 5-, 20-year range.
That would give us an understanding of how the decisions we make
today would impact our ability to seek future funding or bonding in
the out years, 10, 15 years from now, and might give us some
additional comfort that we're not necessarily mortgaging our entire
future. And then we could update that every year, just as though
we're going to update the impact fees and the service fees.
And I was wondering if the Commissioners would feel it would
be appropriate to ask the finance committee to produce some kind of
analysis of that by type of revenue. Every type of revenue we get
coming in, it would show how it is expected to grow over time, how
it is expected to be utilized over time, and how the excess between
the source and use of those funds would grow over time. Is that
something that's possible?
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I think it's all possible. I think some
of that is in place, but maybe it's not put together in one uniform
package to us where we can access and look at that, plus the AUIR
workshop Friday introduced some other elements that we must
consider and incorporate into those who have vested interest already
and how much that is going to impact in greater urban boundary
areas. Some of it falls outside of it, but most of it falls inside the
urban boundary line in how we're going to deal with all that.
So I think that is, in my judgment, Commissioner Coyle, is what
we're all searching for.
And I have this feeling that we have bits and pieces, and it may be
scattered over numerous documents where if it was all consolidated,
we had it in front of us, we could go through and have a better
perspective, one; two, my thinking is, you want to know where we
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are with this, plus the other opportunities that are going to emerge
from that and how it may impact us as we go along, knowing that it is
not here yet, but it may influence where we're going to be in the
future.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I think that's very important.
I would feel a lot more comfortable making long-term decisions
if I had that information before me.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Um-hum.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I think it would be useful to help
us understand the impact -- the long-term impact.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: You know, impact fees on water and
sewer, I recognize in that presentation that that comes from the new
growth, and that's what that's associated with. But one of the things
that I have a big need for as we go through and look at this is this
collective impact fee process in terms of what it means to a new
home and how we may package that up and get into some sort of
making that part of-- if you're buying a new home, it's sort of part of
the mortgage where you've got maybe, say, a short-term, five-year --
I'm just throwing that out as an idea -- to pay these off, and if you
move from that home, whoever buys it in the future has to pay the
remainder if it is -- you know, or if you have enough profit out of it,
you've got to pay that off first. There's got to be some mechanisms in
order not to hit people so hard up front because I want that first-time
buyer of the home to be able to buy in closer, number one, affordable
housing.
Work-force housing: We want to be able to get people to buy
equity-owned properties, and that has to go into our mix in all these
decisions we're making.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, yes, I agree. And it gets
even more complex because of what Mr. Olliff told us just earlier, a
little earlier.
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If we're basing our projections of the cost of the infrastructure on
historical costs, that's going to lead us into a dead-end road. And so I
would just like to have some kind of long-term projection, factoring
in the increased cost of developing a municipal-type service level for
essentially a rural area and to be able to have a better handle on
what's going to happen to us in the future based upon the decisions
we make today. If we could do that, would the commission agree?
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I'm going to bounce the ball to Mr.
Olliff to see what we can consolidate to help us all.
MR. OLLIFF: One suggestion: We're more than happy to try
and put information in any format that helps you make a decision.
My only suggestion would be for every single funding source that
you originally indicated, that's probably not as important as far as
library trust funds, for example.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: You're right.
MR. OLLIFF: There are probably a dozen at the most, maybe
15 total major funds that you would want to see in that way. And to
make sure that I understand, you're showing, basically, our revenue
projection line and then under that our existing uses of those funds by
category. And I'm assuming you're looking at more operating capital
debt service-type categories?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yes.
MR. OLLIFF: And then what is available undedicated
revenues, especially based on projected growth rates that the board
can see in a graphic-type format.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yes.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: That's the way I understand it.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: And from the perspective of bonding, you
really narrow that down much further. Are you talking about sales
tax, gas tax?
MR. OLLIFF: I think he's looking beyond just bonding. I think
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for other major funds that we have which primarily are going to be --
even general fund, unincorporated general funds; solid waste;
water/sewer; gas taxes; even EMS revenues; solid waste revenues,
those are the typical funds that you're probably going to want to look
at. And for all those major funds, I think that would be easier for us
to do. And if that helps you make decisions better for the long term,
by all means.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It would help me.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: It helps me, and I think it would help
us all if we try to educate everybody in the county to help everybody
understand this process through Channel 54, the mechanisms when
they look and they say, "Oh, I understand what the commissioners
are trying to do, understand how they're going to deal with it," when
we put it down in layman's terminology at some point so that we all
can have a better grasp of it. So if the rest of the board concurs, we
would like to see that, Mr. Olliff. Mr. Mitchell.
MR. MITCHELL: The only thing I wanted to say is a lot of
work is already done, either from a coffer's standpoint or there's some
other projections that Mike's office is doing or it's just a matter of
running those two together and putting those into a format that's
going to be understandable to read. The actual numbers are pretty
much already there from our coffer, and his projections are also there.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I think what happens to us, Jim -- and
I'm not faulting our staff or anybody else -- we get this in sections.
And what we need is the spreadsheet that lays it all down. I'm a
visionary kind of person. I comprehend it on that basis. When I have
to look at each one of these -- and I have trouble figuring, what if
they're over here, and how's that going to affect this? What if I've got
it right in front of me, one spreadsheet? Bingo, I can be able to grasp
it much better.
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MR. MITCHELL: Good.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: If you could, too, if you're
using Excel with this thing -- you're not. I was going to say, if it was
in a format where we possibly could play with it at home ...
MR. MITCHELL: We can do that. We can drop it and import it
into certain components of it.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That would be an interesting
thing to have on the computer to be able to play the what-if game. If
we move this, how would it affect everything going all the way down
the line?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: With that, I'll turn it over to Mr. Mitchell
for his segment of the presentation.
MR. MITCHELL: To save some time, I'm just going to hit
some of the high points. I did have a large presentation put together
for you, but as we're scheduled to knock off at 12:00, let me just hit
some of the high points.
First of all, Tom, on behalf of the clerk, would like to thank you
for inviting us to participate in this. You've heard about budgets;
you've heard about debt. But what is the clerk's responsibility? If
you look at the statute, the clerk is really the public trustee.
You guys are the legislative body. Tom is the administrative
body, and the clerk is the public trustee. So once the budgets are
adopted, the expenditures are in the process of being made, it
basically becomes my office with the finance department through
Dwight's office to make sure that your desires happen.
Basically, what we do is, my office is split in two functions,
functional units. One is the operational unit, and one of it is the
accounting unit. The operational unit is where the vendor payments
are made, contractual payments are made, payroll is processed. It's
where we perform the preaudit function. It's where we ensure
compliance with the Florida Payment Act. It's where we do all the
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1099 reporting, the W-2 reporting, and things of that nature. Now,
I've said two things there that are fairly important, one of them being
the preaudit function and one of them being the Florida Prompt
Payment Act.
What do I mean when I say the preaudit function? Well, the
clerk by law is the auditor of the county. There's two types of audits
that he does. One is the preaudit, and one is the postaudit.
My shop takes care of preaudits. And basically what we do is,
we apply a test to every expenditure that we are asked to make on
your behalf to make sure that it meets certain criteria, and those
criteria are that section -- where did I put it? I don't really need
anything to look at to tell you what it is. Basically, we look, and at
the first thing we do is, we make sure there's a proper budget in place.
The next thing we do is we look to make sure that it's properly
approved, that's it's been properly approved based on your purchasing
policy, and then we apply the cash to make sure that there's sufficient
cash in there to make it, to make that payment.
The last prong of the test that we do is known as the valid public
purpose test. And if there is no -- if we don't see a valid public
purpose in the expenditure, we will not make a payment. We'll kick
it back to you where you have to actually validate the public purpose.
And then we have to ensure compliance with the Florida
Prompt Payment Act. What the Florida Prompt Payment Act is, is
it's an act by the legislatures that ensures that local governments pay
their bills in a timely manner. And basically what it says is that there
are two types of payments. There's construction payments and
nonconstruction payments. For the nonconstruction payments that ---
-- the clock starts ticking upon receipt of a proper invoice by the chief
disbursement officer. And the time line that you have to make your
payment is 45 days, 45 calendar days.
For construction-type payments, the clock starts ticking upon the
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approval of the project architect or the project engineer, and the time
line is 20 business days. We've adopted a policy within our shop that
we apply a standard business practice to that. We pay all bills within
30 days of the invoice date. One of the things that we do is, we take
advantage of every discount that we can get, but we ensure payment
within 30 days of the invoice. And that does put us into compliance
with the Florida Prompt Payment Act.
The Florida Prompt Payment Act does provide the penalties if
you do not make your payments timely, primarily that you have to
pay the statutory interest, which is 11 percent, until the point in time
that it is satisfied. And it also requires us to report to you guys on an
annual basis any interest that we've had to pay. And your purchasing
dictates that we come to you every December to provide you that
number. Fortunately, we have not been to see you in a couple of
years, and it's our expectation that we will not be here to see you
again this year because we pay our bills on time, and we don't have
any accrued interest out there on those particular payments.
The second area -- and I'm being as brief as I can about this.
And if you have questions, please stop me. Or if you have questions
afterwards, please feel free to call my office. But the other half of my
shop is the general accounting units, and these are the accountants. I
have several CPAs over there, several certified government financial
officers, but they basically take the transaction after it's happened to
make sure that it's properly recorded and that it's properly classified
in our Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. Primarily, their
responsibilities include the accuracy of the general ledger, the
adherence to general accepted accounting policies, the coordination
of the annual audit, and also production of the financial statements.
But more importantly, there's three things that they do that was
touched on briefly today; they manage debt. Once you guys issue
debt, the transaction's not over. My office takes care of ensuring that
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all the debt service payments are made. And you heard Bill talk this
morning about arbitrage. There is an arbitrage requirement where we
have to go in on an annual basis and measure where we are from an
arbitrage standpoint. And, actually, we have to report that every five
years. And we actually have to make the payment if we are in a
positive arbitrage position to the IRS on the fifth anniversary, every
fifth anniversary of the bond. That is something that my office takes
care of.
MR. OLLIFF: You may want to define arbitrage for them.
MR. MITCHELL: Arbitrage is the difference -- when you
borrow money, you borrow it at a -- what we call a true interest level.
The bond we're looking at right now, we're hoping to get
somewhere between a 44 and 45 from what we call a true interest
level. That's the interest we're going to pay out on that bond. Now,
when that cash comes in, I put it into our investment pool, and I
invest it. So I'm making money. So arbitrage is primarily the
difference between what you earn on the invested money and what
you pay out on the borrowed money.
The treasury says that if you make a positive number there,
they're entitled to it, but we only measure it every five -- we measure
it every year. We record it as a liability if we owe anything. And
that changes from year to year because you may have a very great
year from an investment standpoint where you have positive
arbitrage. And the next year you may be slightly lower, and you eat
up some of that positive arbitrage. Every five years we measure that,
and we actually make the payment -- as a matter of fact, we'll be
coming sometime this month or early January to talk about one of
these payments that we do need to make regarding one of our older
bond issues.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: So the government penalizes you for
prudence?
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: Absolutely.
MR. MITCHELL: I wouldn't quite put it that way. Another
thing that's changed recently with debt is disclosure. There is
continuing disclosure that happens with every issue that we do.
There is a certificate the Chairman will be asked to sign, and it's
called a Continuing Disclosure Certificate, which basically says,
we're going to tell the secondary market the same information over
and over again every year, such as if you were doing a water/sewer
deal, how many users you had, what your current rates are, how
many miles of pipe you have in the ground. Those are the things
we'll be coordinating with Mike and also with the specific
benefactors of the debt to make sure we disclose that properly.
The last thing that I wanted to touch on is your investment
policy and exactly where we're at today. It's very important to note
that you guys have a good investment policy. It's dictated by Chapter
218.415 of the Florida Statutes. It primarily has 14 components to it.
I'm not going to go into great detail with them, but just give you
primarily the most important one, and that is what your investment
objective is.
Your investment objective is the return of principal, not the
return of unprincipal. We are a very conservative investor, and
everything that we invest in is based on a policy that's adopted by this
board. Recently the legislature did make a change in 218.415 where
they dictated that anybody that is involved in the investment activity
shall receive eight hours of continuing education on an annual basis.
We do that. We already meet that particular criteria, but we have not
updated our policy to include that. We normally come to you on an
annual basis to recommend any changes to your policy so we are
prepared to bring that to you also.
To give you an idea where we're at from a portfolio standpoint,
in your books you'll see that we have the August portfolio in there.
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I'm going to give you the October numbers, okay? As of October
31 st, we are from a cash perspective -- now, keep in mind, we're
looking at it from how it appears on our books. And that's from a
cash perspective, not the market perspective. But from a cash
perspective, we have $344,380,000 in the portfolio. From a market's
perspective, we're at $348,441,000. So we actually have a positive
gain in the portfolio of about $4 million. It would be more than that.
Unfortunately, we still have -- as of this point in time, we still had
two of the derivatives in the portfolio. We have managed to work
ourselves out of those CMO's, that lovely derivative projects that got
Orange County, California in trouble. We managed to work
ourselves out of that without taking any losses. That's something
we're very proud of. We still have one of them in the portfolio.
From the time I printed-- actually, this was printed October 31st.
We've liquidated another one, so we're down to one.
More importantly, what is our rate of return? Your policy
dictates that we report to you on what we call the rate of return which
includes both your recognized and unrecognized gains and losses. A
lot of the investments that we have are -- they accrue interest, and
they pay out either on a semi-annual or annual basis. But if we resell
in between the coupon period, we're still entitled to that, so it would
be unrealized gains or losses.
In October we had a 4.14 percent yield or rate of return. Your
policy dictates that from a performance standpoint, we must meet or
exceed your SBA, which is a State fund. And for the same period,
the State fund was 2.46 percent. So what's happening right now is,
we are a little bit further out on the yield curb than some of our
earlier investments. We're locked into some high rates. But the
problem that we're having now is the same problem that everybody
else is having. And that is, how far out on the yield curb do we want
to go? Our expectation is, we're going to see a turnaround in the
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economy sometime late summer. So we are not going very far out on
the yield, but we're staying fairly short, which means that we're
giving up some yield. But I would hate to be further out of the yield
curb at a low interest rate when the economy tums and be stuck with
that.
So we're trying to be as prudent as we can in managing your
money. You dictate where we put the money. And just for -- real
quickly, currently you have $189 million in federal instrumentalities;
$1.6 million in U.S. Treasury Securities; and $146 million at the
SBA. So you can see, we are bulking a lot of money at SBA. That's
a very short term, daily, it's almost like a bank account. I can get the
money today, tomorrow, any time we need it. And they're still
paying a fairly attractive rate for short-term money, one-day, two-day
money like that.
Are there any questions you guys have?
CHAIRMAN CARTER: The SBA money, short term, what are
we doing on it? I mean, what is an attractive daily rate right now?
MR. MITCHELL: Say it again.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: What is the attractive daily rate right
now?
MR. MITCHELL: It's under 2 percent right now. The one thing that
we compare is, we basically have a choice of where to keep our
money overnight. We can either keep it with our bank, or we can
keep it in SBA. We have a contractual amount with the bank which
is the fed funds rate minus 27 basis points, or we can keep it with the
SBA. And you can see that there is a little bit of difference with the
SBA. That's a decision we make every day. We have to go in every
morning, and we work with Mike's group and a lot of the other
departments out there to figure out what our cash position is. How
much money do we have available today to invest? How much
surplus is there? And we have to look at what the expectation is. Is
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it short-term, long-term money, things like that to make the decision
do we keep it in the bank, do we put it at SBA, or do we go a little bit
further out on a shorter part of the yield curb? That's a challenge that
we are facing every day.
For your information, from a banking standpoint, we currently
bank with First National Bank of Naples. We put that out to bid
about a year ago, and they came in. We measured it from two
perspectives. One was, how much is it going to cost the taxpayers to
bank with them, and do they have the qualifications, or do they have
the best qualifications to handle our money? And they won.
And they're doing a fantastic job in helping us manage your
money. We set parameters on how much money we want to keep in
the bank. We set a cap of $2 million, and that's all we want to ever
keep locally with First National Bank. We want to put the rest of the
money out, have it working for you overnight, and we're doing a
pretty good job at that.
From a cost perspective of the bank, we're on what's known as
account analysis. We basically don't pay services charges. What
they do is on a monthly basis, they tell us how much it would have
cost us if they would have billed us for that. And what we do is put
on deposit with them the amount of money necessary to offset that
cost for a 30-day period. So basically, it's a zero-interest C.D. That
we put out there for 30 days to offset the prior month's expenses.
And, keep in mind, to take advantage of the economies, when we bid
this transaction out, we didn't just bid the board. We bid the board,
the supervisor of elections, and also the clerk of the circuit court.
And with that, I'd open it up for any questions that you have. Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Part of the charge of the clerk
of court is a checks and balance, whatever the board-- with county
government, whatever the board says, "This is what we want," you
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write the checks.
MR. MITCHELL: Right.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And you make sure that the
checks are correct, what we say.
What is the responsibility of the clerk of court as far as the
efficiency of county government?
MR. MITCHELL: The clerk of the circuit court serves in many
capacities to you. One of them is that of auditor, okay? And if you
look at the definition of internal auditor, which I have included in
your package, it will basically be something to the effect that it
ensures that management's directives are being carried out in an
efficient and effective manner. So I think from his role as the
auditor, wearing the hat of internal auditor, he does have a
responsibility to work with you and to work with Mr. Olliff and the
departments to not only evaluate how you are currently doing in
comparison to management's directives, but how he can make
recommendations to improve those efficiencies and those economies
that are out there.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I know that we have a lot of
positions out there that are really attacked right now. One example
would be transportation. Norm Feder's trying to bring forward a lot of
things by the direction of the board, working many hours. We're
really getting the bang for the buck there. But, you know, can the
clerk take a look at departments and say, "Okay. This person is
working a 40-hour; he's getting paid for a 40-hour. He's not working
30 hours and getting paid for 40 hours"? MR. MITCHELL: Absolutely.
MR. OLLIFF: Not only can they, they do. And the clerk's audit
department gives us an opportunity to be able to work with them to
be able to ask them to come in and audit certain functions that we
would like to have them audit. But, in addition, the clerk of the
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courts and his audit staff have the ability to go audit anything that
they want to audit within our agencies, and they take full advantage
of that as well.
We generally have a very good working relationship with the
audit departments in that they provide us an opportunity to see a
preliminary report and allow us to be able to provide some responses
to that so that the final product is not just a criticism of the operating
department, but an opportunity for the operating department to
provide some public response to that as well. But I will venture to
say that the clerk's audit department probably does anywhere between
a dozen and 15 full-blown-type audits over the course of a year, most
of them in your agencies, most of them in your operating
departments, of which we see a lot of improvements that end up in
front of you at your board meetings resulting from the audits that are
done.
And we're, in fact, right now working with the audit departments
on their annual work plan for this current year. We've got a number
of things that are on our agenda that we want the clerk's audit
department to come take a look at because we think we can do them
better, smarter, faster, cheaper, whatever it may be.
MR. MITCHELL: I'll give an example of that, Tom. We just
had a request this week from the airport authority. They invited us to
come back out there and to assist them with some operational issues
they have there. So it is something that the clerk is excited about
working with you guys on.
MR. OLLIFF: The only other thing I wanted Jim to touch on
was just a -- give them, from your perspective -- just because you've
worked with it as long as you have -- the current financial
management system that you've got and a little bit of an oversight on
the project that we've got going between our agencies.
MR. MITCHELL: Sure. Currently you have a -- what we call
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an FMS. It's really the government financial system. It's been in this
government since 1987. It was actually created in 1985, but actually
installed here in Collier in 1987. That's our financial management
package. That's our software program. It runs all of our financials.
It runs Mike's budget. It runs all of my general ledger, all of our
accounts payable, all of the purchases and things like that. And this
has become what we consider antiquated.
What it is, is a financial system. When we start using the word
"management," I've got to be careful about that because I look at a
system to be a tool, and it does help me prepare my general ledger
and help me put out the financial statements. But as far as being a
management tool, it's very lacking. It doesn't allow us to pull the
information out of it that Tom needs or that you need from a
management standpoint so you can make the answers today.
Some time back you approved the acquisition of a software product
known as SAP. We are in the process right now of implementing
that. We hope to be alive with that at the beginning of our new fiscal
cycle, our '03 cycle, which will be 10/1 of '02. It's a very exciting
time. We're actually moving into a new century as far as financial
processing goes. It's going to give us information and allow us to
create efficiencies that have never been there before.
One of the biggest things that's going to happen with this thing
is something where we're going to be able to take advantage of the
electronic environment where we'll be able to push invoices through.
We'll be able to push different transactions through that we won't
ever see a piece of paper. We'll have a sufficient audit trail to be able
to satisfy the payment and things like that.
One of the things I'm extremely proud of with this particular
project is the way the two agencies are communicating and working
together. It is a joint effort. The total project cost that we're looking
at is about $3.2 million?
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MR. OLLIFF: Right.
MR. MITCHELL: Where the clerk of the circuit court, through
his public records modernization trust fund, has put up $1 million of
that, and we're actually going to use commercial paper to pay the
remainder balance.
A couple of other projects, if I could, Tom, that is going to affect
this county significantly that we're dealing with right now is GASB
34, which is Governmental Accounting Standards Board changed the
way that our financial statements are going to look, and it's going to
affect us in the '03 cycle. It totally changes everything that we deal
with from a financial standpoint. That's something that's going to
affect Mike's office and my office drastically.
And the other big thing is Article 5. I know I've had some
discussions with Commissioner Carter regarding Article 5, but that's
something that we're struggling with on a pretty much daily basis.
And we hope it goes away, but we don't know where it's going to end
up, but that's pretty much what's on our plate right now.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: I think we need to clarify for our
audience what Article 5 is.
MR. MITCHELL: Article 5 is a constitutional funding
mechanism for the court system. We're primarily, the county courts,
even though it's considered a State court system, the Board of County
Commissioners is running a large component of that -- or a
component of that. And back in the -- when was it? '98 when they
had the last constitutional revision, there was a referendum to shift
the funding of that away from the local level to the State level. That's
one of the things we're dealing with.
MR. OLLIFF: Any other questions for Mr. Mitchell? I can't let
the public opportunity go by to just thank Jim and his department. I
will tell you, I think the relationship between your agency and the
clerk of the court's agency, both the financial and audit, is probably
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better than it has ever been in my 18-year history working here. I
think a lot of that is more due to their willingness to come over and
help. And I think they are in a position now where they, on a number
of projects, are part of our team when we're looking at problem
solving. And that's just a nice position to be in.
The FMS project is one that's a particular example that I think
it's one of those internal things that you are going to see a lot of
external benefit from it. I think currently the best example I've got is
payroll. And poor Jim and his staff struggle, honest to goodness, on
an every-other-week basis trying to get the payroll out. And it is -- it
is just a weeping and mashing of teeth kind of process. But today I
bet you to get a single paycheck issued, I probably have to, from the
time it starts, to the time Jim issues the check, reenter payroll at least
four different times through the system from the time it starts out in
the field until the time a check gets issued. And that's a ridiculous
system. So this FMS project is one of those where we're hoping to
completely cut all of those intermediate steps out and just make your
government run a little more efficiently. With that, any other
questions that you have on the financial side?
CHAIRMAN CARTER: No. I just want to re-enforce what you
said because when I came to the Board of County Commissioners,
the relationship between the clerk of the courts and the county
government was like two cats in a gunnysack. In fact, there was a lot
of animosity between the constitutionals and the county government.
That has changed. This is a change in professional management in
the county and the willingness of the Board of County
Commissioners to work cooperatively with the other constitutional
officers so we're all on the same page. This is where we need to be,
and this is where we need to stay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Bottom line, we work for the
people.
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CHAIRMAN CARTER: That's right.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: If we can make that efficiency,
they'll be a lot happier.
MR. OLLIFF: ! hope you found this workshop helpful for you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, yes. It was very good.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: It was very helpful.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: It was an excellent meeting.
MR. OLLIFF: But obviously, Mike and Jim are here every day
and are available to answer any follow-up questions that you have.
And if you want any additional information, by all means, let us
know. We will try and look at what we've got in the way of
information. We'll take from this workshop as a direction-- I will try
and start preparing some of that graphic information for the board to
look at in advance of the fiscal year '03 budget. Just keep in the back
of your mind that the clerk's agency and ours will also be working on
that overall picture of clerk funding for you as part of your fiscal year
'03 budget policy as well. And that can be a major change in how we
approach budgets there. Mike, do you have anything else before we
close?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN CARTER: Vice Chair, you opened the workshop.
Would you please close the workshop?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: By the power vested in me by
Dr. Carter, I hereby close this workshop.
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
workshop was adjourned by order of the Vice Chairman at 12:15
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ATTEST:
DW,'I~H.T.,E.. BROCK, CLERK
':';~hcse;'~inutes approved by the Board on
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
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OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS
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or as corrected
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