CCPC Minutes 08/06/2015 COLLIER COUNTY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES
AUGUST 6, 2015
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August 6,2015
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
Naples,Florida
August 6,2015
LET IT BE REMEMBERED,that the Collier County Planning Commission, in and for the County of
Collier,having conducted business herein,met on this date at 9:00 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building
"F"of the Government Complex,East Naples,Florida,with the following members present:
Mark Strain,Chairman
Stan Chrzanowski
Brian Doyle
Diane Ebert
Karen Homiak
Charlette Roman
Andrew Solis
ALSO PRESENT:
Heidi Ashton-Cicko,Assistant County Attorney
Scott Stone,Assistant County Attorney
Ray Bellows,Zoning Manager
Thomas Eastman,Real Property Director,Collier County School District
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AGENDA
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MEET AT 9:00 A.M., THURSDAY,AUGUST 6, 2015,
IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ROOM, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING,
COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER,THIRD FLOOR, 3299 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST,NAPLES,FLORIDA:
NOTE: INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO 5 MINUTES ON
ANY ITEM. INDIVIDUALS SELECTED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AN
ORGANIZATION OR GROUP ARE ENCOURAGED AND MAY BE
ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM IF SO RECOGNIZED
BY THE CHAIRMAN. PERSONS WISHING TO HAVE WRITTEN OR
GRAPHIC MATERIALS INCLUDED IN THE CCPC AGENDA PACKETS
MUST SUBMIT SAID MATERIAL A MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS PRIOR TO
THE RESPECTIVE PUBLIC HEARING. IN ANY CASE, WRITTEN
MATERIALS INTENDED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CCPC SHALL BE
SUBMITTED TO THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY STAFF A MINIMUM OF
SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL MATERIAL USED
IN PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE CCPC WILL BECOME A PERMANENT
PART OF THE RECORD AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PRESENTATION
TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF APPLICABLE.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THE CCPC
WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING
THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A
VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH
RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH
THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
2. ROLL CALL BY SECRETARY
3. ADDENDA TO THE AGENDA
4. PLANNING COMMISSION ABSENCES
5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES—July 2,2015
6. BCC REPORT-RECAPS
7. CHAIRMAN'S REPORT
8. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
9. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. PL20140002143/CPSS-2014-4: An Ordinance of the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County,
Florida amending Ordinance No. 89-05, as amended, the Collier County Growth Management Plan for the
unincorporated area of Collier County, Florida, specifically amending the Golden Gate Area Master Plan
Element and Golden Gate Area Future Land Use Map and Map Series by adding the Southbrooke Office
Subdistrict to the Estates-Commercial District to allow a maximum of 40,000 square feet of gross floor
area for uses allowed in the C-1 Commercial Professional and General Office zoning district. The subject
property is located on the south side of Immokalee Road east of Valewood Drive in Section 29,
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Township 48 South, Range 26 East, consisting of 5.19 acres; and furthermore, recommending transmittal
of the adopted amendment to the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity; providing for severability
and providing for an effective date. (Companion to PUDZ-PL20140002077) [Coordinator: Corby Schmidt,
AICP,Principal Planner]
B. PUDZ-PL20140002077: An Ordinance of the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida
amending Ordinance Number 2004-41, as amended, the Collier County Land Development Code which
includes the comprehensive zoning regulations for the unincorporated area of Collier County, Florida by
amending the appropriate zoning atlas map or maps by changing the zoning classification of the herein
described real property from an Estates (E) zoning district to a Commercial Planned Unit Development
(CPUD)zoning district to allow up to 40,000 square feet of gross floor area of commercial development on
a 5.19± acre parcel to be known as the Southbrooke CPUD, located on the south side of Immokalee
Road,east of Valewood Drive in Section 29,Township 48 South,Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida;
and by providing an effective date. (Companion to PL20140002143/ CPSS-2014-4) [Coordinator: Fred
Reischl,AICP,Principal Planner]
C. PUDA-PL20140000548: An Ordinance of the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County,
Florida amending Ordinance Number 2003-11, the East Gateway Planned Unit Development, by adding
250 residential dwelling units to be developed in addition to the commercial development on the
commercial development area or as an alternative to industrial and business park development on the
industrial business park development area; by changing the name of the planned unit development to the
East Gateway Mixed Use Planned Unit Development; by adding Permitted Uses for residential
development; by adding Development Standards for residential development; by adding Deviations; by
revising the Master Plan; by adding Exhibit B and Exhibit C, Road Right-of-Way Cross Sections; by
revising Developer Commitments for the PUD located on the north side of Davis Boulevard and west of
CR 951 in Section 34, Township 49 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida consisting of 37.5±
acres; and by providing an effective date. [Coordinator: Fred Reischl,AICP, Principal Planner]
D. PUDA-PL20140002461: An Ordinance of the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County,
Florida amending Ordinance Number 08-41, the First Assembly Ministries Education & Rehabilitation
Campus MPUD, as amended, to remove two-family dwellings from permitted principal uses, and add
detached and attached garages, and daycare services for children to permitted accessory uses in Tract G;to
reduce the minimum floor area for multi-family dwelling units from 850 square feet to 750 square feet; to
reduce the period that affordable-workforce dwelling units must be reserved for qualified renters from 60
days to 14 days; to remove the affordable-workforce housing phasing schedule; to remove the prohibition
on one bedroom non-church-related dwelling units; to release developer commitments relating to
transportation and affordable housing; and to revise the PUD Master Plan to relocate the existing access
point near the southeast corner of the property to align with the entry for The Lord's Way RPUD to the
south for the PUD property consisting of 69± acres located on the east side of Collier Blvd. (C.R. 951),
approximately 1/2 mile north of Rattlesnake-Hammock Rd. (C.R. 864), in Section 14, Township 50
South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida; and by providing an effective date. [Coordinator: Nancy
Gundlach,AICP,RLA,Principal Planner]
10. OLD BUSINESS
11. NEW BUSINESS
12. PUBLIC COMMENT
13. ADJOURN
CCPC Agenda/Ray Bellows/jmp
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CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Good morning,everyone.Welcome to the Thursday,August 6th meeting of
the Collier County Planning Commission.
If everybody will please rise for Pledge of Allegiance.
(Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you. If the secretary will please do the roll call.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Yes. Good morning.
Mr.Eastman?
MR.EASTMAN: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Mr.Chrzanowski?
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Mr.Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Ms.Ebert is here.
Mr.Strain?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Ms.Homiak?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Mr.Doyle?
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: And Ms.Roman?
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Here.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you.
***Addenda to the agenda. We have several changes. There were four cases scheduled for this
morning. Three are being continued to different dates. 111 announce those to the board and ask that I get a
confirmation by majority vote to move them to the dates so designated.
Item 9A and 9.B. 9.A is PL20140002143/CPSS2014-4. And that's for the Southbrooke project
located on the south side of Immokalee Road,east of Valewood Drive.That's the comprehensive planning
piece of it.
And then the second part of it is the PUDZ-PL20140002077. Both of those are being requested to be
continued to September 3rd at our meeting at that time.
If there's a motion to recommend or approve those to be moved to September 3rd?
COMMISSIONER EBERT: I make a motion.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: By Diane.
Seconded by?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Second.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Karen.
Discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: All in favor,signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion carries 7-0.
And then we have a request to move the East Gateway PUD. It is item C,Ws
PUDA-PL20140000548. That's being requested to be moved to our next meeting on August 20th.
If anybody has a motion to move that,continue that August 20th?
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Is that--yes,I will.
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CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,second?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Second.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Seconded by Karen.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Question.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Question? Yes.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: We had the sidewalk thing on that agenda. Is that going to
be a really long agenda? Should I bring a lunch?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Yes,you should. We're going to have sidewalks—I was going to explain
that when we get further on to this agenda,but yeah,we're going to have two or three cases that day as well.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Okay.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: So motion's been made.
Discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: All those in favor of the motion by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion carves 7-0.
And that gets us through the changes to the agenda.
***Planning Commission absences. We have the sidewalk issue on 8/20 with some cases,so our
next regular meeting is the one on 8/20.Does anybody know if they're not going to make it to that meeting?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,that means we'll have a quorum.
***Approval of minutes from July 2nd,2015. They were sent to us electronically.Are there any
changes or comments?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: I have one.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Page 41. About in the middle of the page after it says Chairwoman
Homiak,it says 12-foot candles,it should say low foot candle.
And with that change,I will make a motion to approve.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll second.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: All those in favor,signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion carries 7-0.
***The BCC report and recaps,Ray?
MR.BELLOWS: Board of County Commissioners has not held a meeting since our last Planning
Commission,so no updates.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: That's simple. Thank you.
***Chairman's report. I did want to talk a little bit about our 8/20 meeting. That's the meeting in
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which we're going to be discussing sidewalks. Both Mike Bosi and Mike Sawyer have been working
feverishly to line up the various county personnel and contact the special groups that may be interested in
knowing that the meeting's going on and in making presentations.
It will start out with the county's little bit of history and background and then we'll move into county
departments. Then we'll move to those who would like to enlighten us as to their positions on this,whether it
be the development community and/or the organizations that promote pathways and sidewalks or any others.
That will start out the day. I expect most of the morning will be taken up with that issue.
Then we have right after that it could follow late morning and into the afternoon,at least two cases
lined up,one is the East Gateway that we just continued this morning.The second one was the Briarwood,for
lack of a better word,man caves projects. Its involving the storage for exotics cars,things like that. There
may be something else added between now and then,but we have at least two regular cases that day.
Ray,do you know of any others?
MR.BELLOWS: Not at this time,but two definitely.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. So I would expect for Stan's benefit,yes,bring lunch.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: And a sleeping bag.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: It won't be that bad.Won't be that bad.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: You might need a nap.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Might need a nap.
And that's the only other report.
The other thing I might want to mention,depending on how the sidewalk discussion evolves and
comes out,we may want to look at having similar discussions on other hot trends we see changing in the
county so that we're better prepared for them when they come up.
I've noticed most recently that setbacks are being reduced to almost nothing in all cases. We're
losing space in the front of properties for more build-out area. And while that does help product and
development,I'm not sure it's the right thing for this community to do. So at some point we probably need to
consider also taking a closer look like that so we all know,you know,what the benefits are and what the
upside and downsides are.
***And with that,we don't have any consent items for number eight today,so Pll move straight into
our remaining public hearing,and it's 9.D. The item is PUDA-PL20140002461. It's the First Assembly
Ministries Education and Rehabilitation Campus MPUD. It's off of Collier Boulevard near Lord's Way.
All those testifying on behalf of this item,please rise to be sworn in by the court reporter.
(All speakers were duly sworn.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,disclosures on the part of the Planning Commission. We'll start at
the end with Tom.
MR.EASTMAN: I've spoken briefly with David Tones regarding the project.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Stan?
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Might be quicker to tell you the projects I don't talk to Mr.
Yovanovich about. I spoke to him at length a couple days ago.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,Andy?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: None.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Just staff.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,and I've talked with the applicant's representatives,both Bob and the
white-haired guy. I was trying to think of the right word to phrase that,Richard. And that's about all. Fve
read the files and gone through the history of the project.
Pardon me?
COMMISSIONER EBERT: I was going to ask you if you were going to invite him to our sidewalk
discussion.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: If he wants to come,he's always welcome.
Karen?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Yeah,I spoke to Mr.Yovanovich,and I met,at Commissioner
Fiala's request,twice with the residents at Naples Lakes and their managers and Mr.Yovanovich was there,
Mr.Mulhere,Mr.Haines and Mr.Torres.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: And that's it.
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CHAIRMAN STRAIN: That reminds me,I did speak to Commissioner Fiala as well.
Brian?
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: I had some communication with Mr.Mulhere.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Charlette?
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: No contact
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,with that,Bob,it's all yours.
MR.MULHERE: Thank you. Good morning.For the record,Bob Mu'here with Hole-Montes here
on behalf of the applicant.
And also with me this morning is David Torres,previously mentioned,and Gary Haines.And also
Rich Yovanovich,who's the land use attorney. And Paula McMichael who works with me at Hole-Montes.
I put on the visualizer a location map of the properties on the east side of Collier Boulevard. It's just
a little bit north of Rattlesnake Hammock,accessed by the Lord's Way.
The—it's a relatively simple set of amendments. We're not changing the allowable density of 296
units on this tract. And all the changes are limited to tract G in terms of their impact.
I just put on the visualizer the PUD master plan. And this one is a slightly updated master plan in
that the lake configuration more closely matches the lake configuration on the Site Development Plan that we
have already submitted and is under review with Collier County on tract G,which Pll point out to you.
So the changes include allowing for a maximum of 20 percent of the units to be one-bedroom units
and with a minimum size of 750 square feet. There are some clarifications related to the ESP housing,both
definition and all of the conditions that will apply. Most of those changes are in the companion—a separate
agreement with the county related to that ESP housing. Some of that is in the PUD as well. For example,
you'll see in just a minute,we'll be adding a definition of essential service personnel to the PUD.
We've removed language regarding the phasing of the units where we could. Obviously that doesn't
apply the intent just to build these in a single phase. The phasing was conditioned upon improvements to
Davis Boulevard,other right-of-way improvements that have already occurred.
There will be some--there are going to be some changes relative to transportation commitments
which I will get to in greater detail,both the amount of right-of-way that the county requires and some other
specific conditions that we will be agreeing to.
As I said,we've revised the master plan to align the westernmost access point. Well,I didn't say this
part,but we have done that to realign the westernmost access point to coincide with the access at the Lord's
Way just to the south of the Lord's Way PUD which is to the south.
That generally describes—we added—in addition we added some commitments that relate to
amenities and relate to construction materials,very similar to what was done in another PUD called the
Vincentian PUD,you may recall. And part of the reason for that was that we had made that commitment to
the Naples Lakes Country Club residents when we met with them.
With respect to that,we did have our required NIM,and in addition to that we also met on two
separate occasions with the Naples Lakes Country Club management and their homeowners association
leadership. And I think both of those--all three of those meetings all went very well. There were questions
obviously. There were some commitments that were made that are contained in the PUD. To my knowledge
there's no objection to the project.
We also received several letters of support which I think you have in your packet.Obviously the
employers of essential service personnel see this as a beneficial project because one of the critical issues is in
attracting new employees is housing and affordable housing,so—
I thought I would go over the changes which we handed out to you one by one,and Pll put them on
the visualizer so that folks who may not be in attendance but may be listening can see them as well. And so
Pm going to use the hand-held microphone to do that.
So we handed out--is that on? Yeah,we handed out a document to you that has the
highlights--most of the changes highlighted in yellow. There's a couple of additional changes P11 go over
after I complete this.
Within the table on Page 3 of 9 of the handout I gave you,there was a correction to pluralize the
word yards and to remove an asterisk at the top right side of the two-column table. That asterisk really was
unnecessary. It's very specific. It's located right here and it applies to that footnote.
We moved up this general note so that it would fall right under the table where it should be. We
struck through paragraph C which is roof treatments,because we are dealing with that elsewhere in the PUD.
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This was duplicative. Let me straighten that out.People--to be looking crooked.
We added a definition of essential services personnel on Page 5 of 9,but that has changed slightly.
And let me get that revised definition for you to look at.
So this last paragraph here would be what is proposed in working with Kim Grant and county staff
for that definition. The difference being obviously what you can see,the underlined language would be
added and the struck through language would be deleted. And we would use that definition both in the PUD
and in the ESP agreement.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Yeah,.I had a question,Bob,regarding that.
In the PUD itself it talks about essential services housing for essential services personnel,I should
say. And in the PUD there's also an affordable housing component and the definitions are different.
How--did we address that so that they're consistent?Ifs just--I'm not sure what type of affordable housing
you're talking about in the PUD.
MR.MULHERE: So 60 of the units--1'm sorry,what did you say,Richard?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Charlette,did you get the agreement? Did you get a copy of the housing
agreement? I don't know if the board,everybody got that.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: I didn't see it.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,that would have helped. I didn't know if you had--
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: But I did have a question of staff. That's why Pm asking.
MS.GUNDLACH: It's an attachment.
MR.MULHERE: So the affordable element,I mean technically that would cover all of the ranges of
income. But there is a specific breakdown,I want to make sure I get this right,of 60 units that are allocated
affordable. 25 would be for the lower income levels and 35 would be for the next up. And I want to make
sure I got this,80 percent or below?
Yeah,so 25 would be 80 percent or below.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: The low income families.
MR.MULHERE: Yes. And 35 would be between 81 and 150.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Okay. Thank you.
MR MULHERE: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: While were on that subject,this change that you're proposing refers to a
document that's not controlled by the county Department of Labor wage decision building,as may be
amended from time to time.And my question to the County Attorney's Office would be in the past we've
been reluctant to include things that would require—that would result in a self-amending document. And
that seems to be where this would go. It's different when it's the LDC,because it does control zoning,but this
one is a--this would actually then have the benefit of changing the mix of affordable use units that may be
here,whether good or bad. And I'm not sure that's going to be consistent with both the agreement or what the
intent of this document is. And I can see no one's listening.
MR.YOVANOVICH: I was. I was listening.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I know you're listening,but you're not the person I need to comment on
this. Heidi and Kim were,but I don't think they heard any of it.
So Scott,can you answer the question?
MR.STONE: If you'll allow me a moment to confer with Heidi on this.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay.
MR YOVANOVICH: If I can help you out.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Let's try.
MR.YOVANOVICH: This recommended change actually came from staff,because they wanted to
make sure we had a good definition of what's skilled housing,people qualified for ESP.
I would say this is really no different than your typical change in whatever the median income could
be for that year. It will always fluctuate based upon--and it's based upon an outside agency telling us what
the median income is. So there's always been--or historically has been this fluctuation. If median income
goes down,then what we can charge goes down. If median income goes up,what we can charge goes up. So
it's always been—there's always been these self-amending provisions related to affordable housing. So I
would not see this as any really different than that.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well,in the agreement I would agree with you. If the agreement--I'm
more concerned that this is a zoning document.And in the past there has been some concern.If there isn't
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from the County Attorney's Office,I'm fine with that. I certainly am glad to see that there is some definition,
but I think it's all kind of,I don't know if the word ambiguous or silly is the right thing. We have affordable
categories that range from whatever,very,very low percentage all the way up to 150 or 120 percent. So
instead of using the factual reality of what these percentages are,we keep coming up with words. And this is
the third word I've heard. It started out as workforce,then it was gap,and now it's ESP.I think it's an
interesting twist. Pd rather we just keep it simple and factual,but it doesn't seem that's the trend that we're
going to—
MR.YOVANOVICH: But keep in mind we have a comprehensive plan provision that applies to
this property and it required ESP housing.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Oh,I know. €,
MR.YOVANOVICH: So we--that's why this is--it's still within the affordability guidelines that
already exist. Those thresholds already exist. But who can qualify is further limited by they have to be
essential service personnel.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And Heidi,or Scott,since you've conferred with Heidi,or Heidi,do you
want to respond to my question about the self-amending issue? Is it an issue that we have to be concerned
about with this additional language being offered?
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Well,the citation proposed isn't acceptable. So we will work with the
Housing Department and Mr.Yovanovich to come up with some language that's acceptable.
As far as it being self-amending,I haven't seen the document that Ms.Grant has,so I don't know
what it says,but she is referring to a specific decision and we just need to be more clear. And I would
recommend that when it comes back,if this gets approved on consent agenda,that that decision be included
in the backup,if that's the route of how the definition is going to go.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. And I was hoping to wrap this up today and not have to go to
consent,but we'll have to see then. If that's the only thing that's outstanding,maybe it can be resolved before
the end of business today.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: But Mr.Chair,I have a question on this.
In looking at the list of developer commitments,I'm just trying to understand it.There's 147 ESP
units that are committed to.And we just talked about 60 affordable housing.So 147 ESP plus 60 affordable
housing.
MR.YOVANOVICH: No,the 60 is within the 147. So 87 are not restricted by income,but they are
restricted by those individuals being ESP personnel.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: By this definition that you're proposing here.
MR.YOVANOVICH: No,by what was in the Comp.Plan and what is in the PUD document itself
we have a requirement of 147 units that have to be first offered to ESP personnel.Within that 147,60 of them
have to be income restricted as to the percentages we discussed.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Okay.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And by--what that means is the difference between the 60 and the 147 can
be any members of those working entities,regardless of their salaries;is that—
MR.YOVANOVICH: Correct. Those 87 un—like Pm fairly certain doctors would not qualify for
the income threshold. So if a doctor wanted to rent a unit in there while he was looking for a house or she
was looking for a house,they would qualify as ESP. But they wouldn't fall within the 60 units that are
income restricted.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: So there's 60 affordable units,really,for this project. The rest are market
rate,whether it's ESP market,or general public market.
MR.YOVANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Yeah,it just seems that the essential service personnel definition is so
broad. It only addresses what it includes,not limited to. So that's why I was asking.
MR.MULHERE: And the intent—maybe it helps to say that the intent is to market to those
employers that do employ essential service personnel: Sheriff;Collier County,school board,hospitals. We
think we won't have any problem attracting those employees with the growth that we're experiencing.
MR.YOVANOVICH: Well,and I think we were—the recommended language that Bob put up
there,there's no longer that including but not limited to language in there. It's specifically to teachers,
educators,community college and university employees,police and fire personnel. Yeah,put it back up
there.
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But you're right,the definition that's actually in your Comprehensive Plan has the included but not
limited to language. We've made it more finite as to who would qualify within the definition.
And I would point out,we added government employees,although ifs not in your current definition.
I think that was always the intent,that government employees would be considered essential.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Some of them.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Thank you.
MR.YOVANOVICH: I was going to let you say that.
MR.MULHERE: So the--on Page 6 of 9,about the middle of the page here is the list of
commitments that I previously referenced,both in terms of amenities and design and then also construction
elements. And we have a couple of clarifications and revisions there.
We've added concrete masonry unit construction or concrete construction,they are two different
kinds of construction but both acceptable,and stucco.
And also we've clearly stated that asphalt shingles will be prohibited. Because we had some
language that said or—we had this approved equivalent. But without that restriction that would have
potentially allowed for the asphalt shingles,so we've clearly indicated that that's prohibited.
And some of these changes I should mention did come from conversations that we had with,you
know,several Planning Commission members.
The change that you see on the top of Page 7 relative to notice of proximity to the Sports Park and
Swamp Buggy,because they are traffic and noise generating uses that do exist. And I think at our
neighborhood information meeting a representative indicated that they wanted to see the same kind of notice
that we also have in the Lord's Way and I think also in the Hacienda Lakes. Of course ifs within the
Hacienda Lakes DRI property.
And so staff within the last couple of days asked us to amend that to add this language that you see
highlighted in yellow which is--mirrors what I think is in the county ordinance that provides for this
language. And so we've added: Shall provide to any prospective resident an actual and recorded notice. And
we also added reference to traffic. Because we only had a reference to noise before,but also they would be
put on record that there would be traffic.
And presumably there would be some notification in a lease. That would be the actual notice. And
then there would be a general recordation in the public records. And that would cover this requirement.
We were asked to eliminate—this whole section is highlighted,but in reality were just
renumbering--but eliminating deviation 4.C,which is on Page 8 of 9,which dealt with a deviation related to
sidewalks and bike lanes. And the Site Development Plan actually has a very nice and very well connected
sidewalk and bike plan associated with this,so this deviation is not necessary.
There are a couple of additional changes.
We spent the last few days somewhat feverishly working on resolving some issues that related to a
condition in the PUD that requested 55--up to 55 feet of right-of-way along the Lord's Way adjacent to
particularly tract G.
The argument that we were making to the county was that they—at the time that that was required,
the Lord's Way PUD immediately to the south was not approved and so subsequent to that being approved
that PUD includes within it a 30-foot right-of-way reservation.
And further east the Hacienda Lakes DRI includes a reservation to allow for a 60-foot wide
right-of-way.
So our position was do you really need 55 feet from this particular tract here when you're only
getting--which would give you,you know,an additional basically 25 feet beyond what everybody else is
providing,30 feet. 55 versus 30 feet.
And so we met with staff on a couple of occasions and they reviewed this and came back with a what
I think is a very workable and good revised position in that we will commit to providing the county with 40
feet. Within that 40 feet we will provide for a 10-foot wide asphalt multi-use path. And that will still allow
for a 60-foot road right-of-way.
As a result of that,however,we need a little bit of relief from the required setback adjacent to the
Lord's Way for one building that we have that is located along that perimeter PUD boundary. And it's not
much--it's not a great deal of relief. The building—the setback requirement is as you read right here,it's 35
feet plus one foot for each foot of building height over 35 feet.Presently it reads for the northern,southern
and eastern MPUD boundary.
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So our maximum zoned height is 52 feet.And so in that case we would need 35 plus
another--somebody do that math for me, 17 feet. And that would bring us over a 52-foot setback.
What we actually have is we've redesigned the SDP,and what we actually have is at present is 50
feet. So there's a difference of two feet. So what we are asking is to amend this language to say—and it's
only in this one location along that one boundary--is that the 35 feet plus one foot for each foot of building
height over 35 feet for the northern and eastern boundary,and then add this language: In 35 feet plus one
foot of building height over 35 feet not to exceed 50 feet for the south perimeter buffer.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: I have a question for you.
MR.MULHERE: Sure.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: You're saying that you want just a little less because of Lord's Way.
What did you position in Lord's Way that wants you a little less? You said building or something in Lord's
Way?
MR.MULHERE: Well,not in it. We had a building--see,the county--the PUD required--
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Bob,this is your SDP and this whole issue being resolved,I think it's a
good solution. It may explain why the solution is on the table. That was submitted to the county a week or
so ago.
The orange building to the south was the one that was right up on top of the waterway.And what
they're suggesting is that it will be 50 feet back from the waterway.
MR.MULHERE: The Lord's Way.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I mean from the right-of-way,I'm sorry.
MR.MULHERE: So this red line,if you can see that red line,is the 55-foot line that the PUD
requires at present. This building would have been 10 feet off of that line.
In meeting with staff,in one of their conditions that you probably saw in the staff report was that we
meet the required setback adjacent to the Lord's Way.
We went back and redesigned--we haven't resubmitted it yet,it was just in the last couple of days.
We went back and redesigned this portion of the site plan to move that building,and that building now with
this reduction from 55 feet to 40 feet,which the county has agreed to,will provide for a 50-foot setback.
Technically we probably need 51 and change,maybe 52.
So there's--it's a good compromise,the staff is comfortable with it,and so we just had to reflect that
in the PUD. It's only on that location.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Okay. So Lord's Way is a private road right now?
MR.MULHERE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Okay. And it will be going to Benfield Road? Future Benfield?
MR.TORRES: Depending on the county.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: And how many lanes—
MR.MULHERE: I mean,that's the plan,but—
COMMISSIONER EBERT: I understand.
And how many lanes is Lord's Way? I mean,how many—just one lane each way?
MR.MULHERE: Yes,yes. You couldn't get more than that anyway. That's the right-of-way that
the county has. You'd only have--
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Cherie',excuse me,did you need something?
THE COURT REPORTER Just the name of the speaker.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: His name is David Torres. And yes,we shouldn't speak from the audience.
Thank you,Cherie'.
MR.MULHERE: It was my fault,I looked over towards him.
And so,you know,that won't be any different than what you have everywhere else.There was really
no reason to ask for in our opinion the full 55 feet. Because a lot of things have changed since that was put
into the PUD.
County after reviewing it agreed but they didn't go to 35 feet,they went to 40,which would allow for
this 10-foot multi-use pathway.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Okay,thank you.
MR.MULHERE: There was one other thing I wanted to make clear is that there is a--there is
presently a deviation in the PUD that allows for a 10-foot wide landscape buffer along the Lord's Way,and
we would provide that. But in talking to some of the Planning Commission members,the question came up,
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well,if you put a wall or a fence along the Lord's Way,would you put landscaping on both sides of that?
I believe the code requires that there be landscaping on both sides,but just in case there's any
question,we wouldn't have a problem putting the wall or fence sort of in the middle of the landscape buffer
and putting landscaping on both sides.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Mr.Chair,could I get clarification as to where Mr.Mulhere is referring in
the existing ordinance?
MR.MULHERE: I'm referring to a deviation that exists in—
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: It would be in--oh,the deviation?
MR MULHERE: Yes.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: I'm not clear on what this amendment is that he's proposing,so I need to
see the context of—
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Which amendment? The one that's in yellow on the screen or the
deviation--
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Yeah,the yellow that he has on the screen.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: That's on Exhibit B,listing of tables,Table I,Page 3 of 9 that was passed
out,I would assume that's what you're referring to.
MR.MULHERE: Right here,Heidi.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Okay,that wasn't clear.
MR.MULHERE: Right here.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Okay,thank you.
MR.MULHERE: I didn't want to,you know,give you the whole table,because we're only changing
one little portion of it.
And this is not a change,it's just a clarification,Mr.Chairman,the landscape issue.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Understand.
MR.MULHERE: To my knowledge,other than finalizing the language that we talked about
regarding the definition that the County Attorney's Office felt needed some revision,that really is all the
changes that we were proposing and concludes my presentation.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,I'll start with questions from the Planning Commission.
Karen?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: I have a question,or something like a question.
On the Page 3 of the table one for tract G,it says the minimum floor square area is 750 square feet
per dwelling unit.
MR.MULHERE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: At the last meeting that we had at Naples Lakes it was stated that the
one-bedroom units would be 800 square feet.And I asked that question again at the end of the meeting. So if
there's nothing smaller than a one-bedroom,could that be changed to 800?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I did take-offs from your SDPs and the smallest unit I think is 803.
MR.YOVANOVICH: I think it's 808.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Well,I didn't do inches. Sorry.
MR.MULHERE: Yeah,I just did check with the client and we could change that to 800 square feet.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Okay,thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody else from the Planning Commission got any questions of the
applicant.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I had a—well,just one clarification. I'm looking for it now.The
transportation section of the PUD which is on Page F.2,it's item 3.A. Since the decision has been provided
that staff needs 40 feet,not 55,I'd suggest we clean up 3.A as a part of this amendment to reduce it. Instead
of saying up to 55 feet that we--it's reduced to 40 feet.
MR.MULHERE: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Plain and simple. That way there's no confusion going forward.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: What did you just say?
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: I believe staff had some proposed language.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: If they do,then I hope they can come up now instead of waiting for staff
report.
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Mike?
MR.SAWYER: Good morning. Mike Sawyer,Project Manager for Transportation Planning.
Staff has worked on revised language,and I'd like to be able to pass that out now for everybody.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And please put a copy in the overhead when you can.
MR.SAWYER: Yeah,I'll do that first.
We sent this out by email to everybody last night.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Has the applicant gotten this ahead of time?
MR.MULHERE: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,and County Attorney's Office gotten it ahead of time?
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Yes.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay.
MR.SAWYER: As you see,what we did was we actually--we actually broke it down into portions
A and B. A is now just specifically for tract A. That has not changed except for just eliminating the
notations for tract G.And then tract G is more specific as far as what we're proposing to reduce that particular
reservation to,40 feet.
As you can see,we've also got the note in there that a 10-foot multi-use path will be provided on the
north side of that roadway. p'
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. And then though I don't hear any negative comments from the
applicant or the County Attorney's Office,I'm assuming the language is fine with everybody else.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Actually,I do have a proposed change.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Which is?
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: It's at the end of the second line. So it reads: The public right-of-way
corridor shall include a 10-foot multi-use pathway on the north side of the roadway to be constructed by a
private entity.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Richard?
MR YOVANOVICH: The issue with that is this is being constructed by Hacienda Lakes,correct,
the road? Hacienda Lakes has a community development district and the community development district
may be funding that improvement,so Pm concerned about using by a private entity since a CDD is a
governmental entity.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Do you want to put to be constructed by an entity other than Collier
County?
MR.YOVANOVICH: That's fine.
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Anything else?Anybody else--
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Yes,I have a question.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Diane?
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Are these units rental units or sales units?
MR.MULHERE: Rental.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: So for 15 years they will be rental? Because I see the word sale in here
also. And if you're going to keep rental for ESP for 15 years,I--but I see the word sale in there also.
MR.YOVANOVICH: Well,you have the option of doing either. Our particular project would be
rental. And under either alternative the 15-year requirement is required,okay. So if it converted to a for sale
product in the future,I'm not saying it will,but if it did,the 15-year requirement and the ESP requirements
would remain in place.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: So then—but they would go to as a sale unit rather than rental?
MR.YOVANOVICH: If there was a conversion to for sale. And I have to go back and look at the
agreement,but I think the agreement deals with rental only.
Correct?
MR.TORRES: Yeah.
MR.YOVANOVICH: So we would have to amend the agreement to convert to for sale. But
remember,the PUD is a little bit more general.And the agreement itself deals with the type of housing we're
providing. So we would have to go to the Board to amend the agreement to go to a for sale product. So we
would convert it to a for sale product,but the 15-year requirement would remain.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Kim,is this okay with your department? Or Heidi?
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MR.YOVANOVICH: I hope so,since they wrote the agreement.
MS.GRANT: Hello,Kim Grant,Director of Community and Human Services.
The agreement has been written at this point in time for rental. So I agree with what Rich has
indicated,that if this agreement is to change to for sale,it would have to be going through the appropriate
process,including the Board approving such.
But either way,if in the future this converted for sale,the 15 years will still apply to the number of
units as specified in here. Again,unless it's modified by approval through all the appropriate processes in the
future.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Okay,so it would be between you and the BCC.
MS.GRANT: Correct.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Any other questions from the Planning Commission at this time?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,let's move to our staff report.
MS.GUNDLACH: Good morning,Commissioners. For the record,I'm Nancy Gundlach,Principal
Planner with the Zoning Division.
And staff is recommending approval of this PUD amendment. And we did have some
recommendations;we have two of them. But it sounds like they've been resolved with the specificity of the
40-foot wide right-of-way.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: So I was thinking the same thing. So your recommendations are no longer
needed.
MS.GUNDLACH: Correct
And if you have any questions,it would be my pleasure to answer them this morning.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Any questions of staff from the Planning Commission?
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: I have a question just for clarification. In that 40-foot wide setback
there will be a 10-foot multi-use pathway and the landscape buffer,am I understanding it correct?
MR.MULHERE: No. Sony,go ahead.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Yeah,let staff answer first.
MS.GUNDLACH: The landscape buffer is on private property,so it's outside of the 40-foot wide
future right-of-way.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: So it's on the actual property of the project?
MS.GUNDLACH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Okay,gotcha.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Contrary to one of the cross-sections we originally received,the fence that
was shown in the future right-of-way will be been within that buffer now,or somewhere adjacent.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: On the property.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: On the property.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: So in the 40-foot setback the only thing that is there is the 10-foot
multi-use pathway. And then on the property line of your property,that begins the landscape buffer--
MR.MULHERE: And setback.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: —wall and setback.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: The multi-use path is within a 40-foot right-of-way.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Right,right.
MR.MULHERE: It would be private right-of-way.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: I might not have said it as well as you did.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I just wanted to make sure--
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: I've got it clear in my head,I think.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: —it's clear for the record.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Does anybody else have any questions of staff?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Bob,before--it's not your turn.
MR.MULHERE: I just have Heidi's language here,so--
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Do you have a picture of the SDP? Does anybody have--
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CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I just provided staff with it and it was on the overhead.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Okay.
MR.MULHERE: At Ieast the relevant portion of it. Let's do it this way.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Yeah,so ifs oriented.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: The blue outlines correspond to the lakes on the new master plan.
As you can see,that sidewalk deviation as they had stated wouldn't have worked with this plan. I did
see an alternative plan that will somehow end up being reviewed by staff during the SDP process and will
meet the intent of the code.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Where is the--I can't quite see it,the amenity center?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Darker black area
COMMISSIONER EBERT: The dark black area.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: See it on the right?There's the amenity centers,basketball courts,and I
think it's basketball courts over to the Ieft. I'm not sure. I thought that's what it showed up as.
No,see the dark black area? Right there,yeah. That's your courts. I'm not sure what those are.
MR.MULHERE: Could be basketball or pickle ball or bocce ball. Some kind of ball.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Is that it,Diane?
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Nancy,while we're on to your issues,there were four letters received and
put forth as support of this project's affordable housing components. And I'm not against what they're
proposing at this point,but I want to clean it up for the record.
The one received last night or this morning from the Greater Naples Chamber of Commerce
addressed to Tim Nance and Commissioners,his general support of affordable housing is—nothing in there
references this project. I think that if you go to organizations who are supporting affordable housing,they're
all going to issue a letter like this. So I don't see how this is relevant to the project,unless they want to pull
up all similar organizations.
And the same with Naples Community Hospital. That one's even more vague,to whom it may
concern. But they don't get into this project. They simply are supportive,which is fine. I'm not sure how
that's relevant to supporting this project,and the other two at least reference this project. So I want to make
that clarification for the record. Unless the applicant has something else they want to contribute.
MR.MULHERE: For the record,I think your description is accurate. I mean,the only thing I
would say is that since this does provide for essential service personnel,it advances that general support that
they've espoused in a couple of these letters.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Oh,I don't disagree with you,Bob,but I didn't want it to be perceived that
these were written specifically for this project. They don't seem to be.
MR MULHERE: No,there are a couple that definitely are not. They're general.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Bob,as long as they're there.
Childcare. Are you providing something here for childcare? Because when I looked at the original,
it was in tract A. And now I see you've put—
MR.MULHERE: Yeah,what we allowed,since this will be a 296-unit rental complex,we allow for
on-site childcare for residents only.So it will not be a commercial childcare operation but for residents only.
Whether or not that actually happens has not been decided,but we'd like to have that provision in there.It
certainly makes it a lot easier and less of a traffic generation if there's childcare on-site.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Do you have the area that you can put this childcare set aside?
MR.MULHERE: Yes. Yeah.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Okay,just checking.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Bob,while you're up there,the new master plan that you sent out,I'm
assuming you're going to make a change to the reference to the right-of-way reservation on that one,as well
as the language in the text of the PUD.
MR.MULHERE: Yes,we didn't know exactly how that was going to end up until now,so we will
do that.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Before we go to public speakers,are there any other questions from
the Planning Commission for either staff or the applicant?
(No response.)
MR.MULHERE: Did you want to look at—Heidi provided me with her--
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CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Yes,let's do that now.That's a good idea,thank you.
MR.MULHERE: So here's the existing language. And I'll put Heidi's down. It would start right
here. So the proposed language is as listed in the U.S.Department of Labor,general decision number,
Florida 150012 dated 3/20/15 for building construction in Collier County,Florida as may be amended or
superseded from time to time.
I think that's more specific.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: You need to use that little hand-held mic,Bob.
MR.MULHERE: Sorry. I forgot,thank you.
I think that is more specific,but I'll defer to Heidi for—
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Yeah,it's more specific. And also the decision lists different types of wage
earners and the wages that they'll get. So there's no issue with amending or superseding this decision.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well,just out of curiosity,if Pm reading this right the U.S.Government has
a department that knows the wages in the building construction industry in Collier County?
MS.ASHTON-CICKO: Well,I can let Kim address that.
MS.GRANT: Commissioners,again,Kim Grant.
That's correct,the Department of Labor issues various wage decisions for each state each year and
then update as applicable. And those wage decisions are used in grant administration for the determination of
the minimum amount of wage it needs to be paid.I'm sure there are other applications.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well,the fact that this is limited to the building construction and ESP goes
for beyond that,does that any negative--could that produce any negative results for us?
MS.GRANT: Well,there are actually wage decisions issued in different types of categories. One is
for transportation,one is for heavy operation,one is for building. Since the element of the ESP definition
talked about skilled building trades,we selected the wage decision for building,which should provide a
sufficient list.
Because our issue was how do we know who would qualify as a skilled building personnel. So this
provides a list of essentially the trades that we are recommending be the checklist of who would qualify under
there.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Could we move that paper down a little bit so we could see how that fits
again back into the original definition.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Yeah,that's good.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: See,because the—
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Skilled building trades personnel is mentioned there.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. I know something was crossed out. But the employees associated
with health,safety and welfare agencies has been crossed out. Okay.
So the parenthetical only applies to the skilled building trades section of that definition;is that right?
MS.GRANT: That's correct.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Thank you,Kim.
MS.GRANT: You're welcome.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And thanks for your help previously in other questions that I had of you. I
appreciate your time and your department's time getting those answers.
MS.GRANT: You're welcome. We're happy to help. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Mr.Chairman?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Yes,sir.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I just have one question,and either for staff or Mr.Mulhere.
Can you explain to me just the changes related to the ESP and how long these commitments for the
essential services housing and affordable housing,what is the exact change that's occurring with this
amendment to the PUD?
MR.YOVANOVICH: The only thing that's changing--the 15 year requirement is not changing.
The only thing that's basically changing is the original thought was this would be a for sale product. And we
had to keep those units open for 60 days when it's a for sale product to see if we could find a qualified buyer.
The rental market,you can't wait 60 days to find somebody,because people want their rental unit sooner
rather than later. So we changed that 60-day requirement to 14 days.
But the dollar--the income thresholds are not changing,the--the length of period of time's not
changing,the number of units is not changing,the breakdown of the number of units is not changing. So it's
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60 to 14 days.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That was my question,thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,with that I think we are done with staff and the applicant's questions
at this time. And we'll go to public speakers.
Do we have any registered public speakers,Ray?
MR.BELLOWS: No one has registered.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Are there any members of the public who would like to speak on this
matter?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Hearing none,I don't know of any rebuttal needed at this point. I will read
out some notes I made during the discussion so that they could be used if so desired by the motion maker.
Those notes are as follows: Number one,we'd accept a new language with the revisions as
presented,subject to the following:Revisions to the definition of ESP.
The new language for the setback of the southern boundary from the right-of-way with a maximum
of 50 feet;the right-of-way width will be at 40 feet with a 10-foot multi-use path and as language was
presented by staff and modifications to the master plan were necessary.
The fence location will be located within the landscape buffer on the southern side.
Will modify the transportation section at 3.B with the County Attorney's suggested changes.
Staff recommendations would no longer be needed.
And the minimum housing size instead of 750 square feet will be 800 square feet.
And those are the notes I made that are in addition to the highlighting information that we went over
and talked about here today.Unless somebody else has any others? Anybody have anything they think needs
to be added or changed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: With that,is there--we'll close the public hearing and entertain a motion.
Is there a motion?
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Make a motion to approve with the changes that you've just read.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Fll second it.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion made by Karen,seconded by Charlotte.
Is there any further discussion on the part of the Planning Commission?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: With that,all those in favor,signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion carries 7-0.
Thank you. I do want to thank the applicant--
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Consent?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well,consent is if requested by this board. I think the changes are pretty
clear,unless someone has a need for it. Does anybody see it needing to come back on consent?
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: No.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: No.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay,then we won't need consent.
I do want to thank in this particular case the applicant,Mr.Torres and his people,because it did take
a lot of legwork this week to clean the document up. And everybody worked very closely together to get it
done and we do appreciate it. So thank you,it's a better product.
MR.MULHERE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: ***There is no old business on our agenda.
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***There is no new business on our agenda.
Is there any members of the public that wish to comment on today's activities or any comment in
general?
Hearing none—oh,you're a member of the public. Yes,sir?
MR.YOVANOVICH: On the sidewalk workshop,will the invitees to that workshop be providing
any written documentation in advance of the workshop?
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: They can if they want.Just get it to staff before the distribution date to the
Planning Commission,which is probably Monday or Tuesday of next week.
MR.YOVANOVICH: I didn't know if that was—because from the public side it would be helpful
if those who are going to come and comment,we could know what they're thinking in advance so we can
either—you know,we can respond appropriately instead of just guessing or reacting on the fly,if you will.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well,a lot of it we're hoping will just be an information distribution
discussion. It's going to be very informal,Rich,we just want to understand from the different perspectives
other than just the development community. That's all.
So if there's anything that is available,staff is going to include some things in the packet,I know that
already,but it's internal stuff. So you'll see some issues like that when the packet comes out next week.
MR.YOVANOVICH: I expected that from the staff side. I just didn't know if the invitees—the
other public--not public agencies or public groups,if they've got a position,do they have it in writing or is it
just we're going to hear it—
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: We've asked that they bring any documentation they can,cross-sections of
streets,things like that. I don't know if it will be ahead of time,but we'll make sure there's copies for
everybody.
MR.YOVANOVICH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Speaking about complete streets and all those things that people,if
we could read ahead of time--
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: There will be some information in your packet next week.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Oh,so we could—okay.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Next week's packet,we'll have a--Mike has been working on it,both
Mikes,Mike Sawyer and Mike Bosi,so there is information going to be provided ahead of time.
What I didn't want to say is that all of it will be provided ahead of time,because I don't know if
someone's going to show up and want to do hand-outs,like we got today.
So with that,I don't believe there's anything else.
If there's a motion to adjourn?
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Make a motion to adjourn..
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Diane.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK Second.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Seconded by Karen.
All in favor,signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER DOYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER EBERT: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye.
COMMISSIONER ROMAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN STRAIN: We're all in favor.Thank you all,we'll see you in two weeks.
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There being no further business for the good of the County,the meeting was adjourned by order of
the Chair at 10:00 a.m.
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
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MAR STRAIN,Chairman
These minutes approved by the board on c�` ) i' as presented t--or as corrected .
Transcript prepared on behalf of Gregory Reporting Service,Inc.,
by Cherie'R.Nottingham.
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