Minutes 08/26/1992 R Parks & Recreation
Advisory Board
(PARAB )
Minutes
August 26 , 1992
MINUTES
COLLIER COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD
Golden Gate Community Park
Naples, Florida, 33999
Wednesday, August 26, 1992
PRESENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas, Chairman
Mr. Gil Mueller, Vice Chairman
Mr. Timothy Blackford
Mr. William Clendenon
Ms. Geneva Till (arrived 2:30)
ALSO PRESENT: Mr. Steve Brinkman, Parks & Recreation Department Director
Mr. Murdo Smith, Parks & Recreation Operations Manager
Mr. Gary Franco, Parks Superintendent
Ms. Barbara L. Johnson, Sr. Secretary
I. CALL TO ORDER: 2:00 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Approval of Monday, June 22, 1992 Minutes. Motioned by Mr. Gil Mueller,
seconded by Mr. William Clendenon, passed 4/0.
IV. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS:
A. Ms. Cheryl Thomas announced she will have to leave meeting at 3:30
B. Damage Assessment of Hurricane Andrew:
On a whole the Department fared very well , but it will take some time
to have everything back to normal standards. There was some
substantial wind damage at East Naples and Frank Mackle Community
Parks - some light standards, trees down, etc. It may be necessary to
hire some outside contractors to help right some of the larger trees.
The Racquet Club on Marco lost the roof, sustained a lot of tree
damage and some water damage in the building. The courts will
probably be playable tomorrow and the building will be open as soon as
possible. Caxambas sea wall was damaged (which the County will have
to repair) as well as the floating dock (the Concessionaire will have
to repair) . This site requires major repairs. Mr. Mueller inquired
about the insurance status . The County does have insurance and there
may be some reimbursement from the Federal government, including some
of staff' s time involved with the storm. Some trees may be saved,
but need to be erected and watered as quickly as possible.
V. A . Pelican Bay (15 acres)
Hopefully these 15 acres will be acquired very soon and will be
retained for future use as there are no immediate plans for the site.
Westinghouse is providing this land, as well as 20 acres for
government use and 20 acres to the School Board. The property is
located on Vanderbilt Beach Road, west of the Branch Library.
B. Collier Sports Official Contract
This annual contract is for use of officials at County sponsored
events, not including Little League or Immokalee. Motion to approve
this contract was made by Mr. Blackford and seconded by Mr. Clendenon.
Approved 4/0.
C. Scorekeepers Contract
Annual contract for use of scorekeepers at County sponsored events.
Again, this does not cover Little League or Immokalee. Mr. Blackford
made the motion to approve and it was seconded by Mr. Clendenon.
Approved 4/0.
D. Vineyards Agreement
This Agreement is with the Vineyards Utility, Inc. to supply
irrigation water to the County for the sprinkler system at the new
soccer fields. At this time it is not feasible for the County to have
a well at this site. When the Park has been completed and the water
demand is greater, it may become more economical to have a well . The
situation will be reviewed again at that time. Motion to approve
made by Mr. Clendenon and seconded by Mr. Blackford. Approved 4/0.
E. Clam Pass RFP Concession/Beachside Facilities
Specifications have been drafted to include the maintenance of the
parking lot area, concessionaire to supply all tram drivers, operation
of concession stand and beachside facilities, as well as a per centage
for capital replacement costs for the boardwalk. Mr. Mueller inquired
if a concessionaire for Barefoot Beach could also be included. The
Friends of Barefoot Beach have expressed a desire to run the small
concession area located on the side of the Bath House at the Preserve.
Doubts were raised regarding the necessary concession experience this
group may have. Mr. Brinkman stated that this situation was being
reviewed and the Department will bring a recommendation to the next
PARAB meeting.
Mr. Mueller made a motion to proceed with the idea of possibly
establishing a concession at Barefoot Preserve at the same time, the
reason being the County may benefit by a concessionaire doing both
locations as opposed to doing it on an individual basis. Mr.
Blackford inquired about the time frame. The Clam Pass Agreement is
ending and something should be done within the next month. Mr.
Brinkman mentioned that we could proceed with this RFP and when doing
the specifications for Barefoot maybe one of the existing
concessionaires would apply. PARAB, as well as the BCC, will approve
the bids received for this RFP. Mr. Clendenon seconded the motion.
Approved 5/0.
F. Clam Pass AUO Expansion Project
The Registry wishes to expand the deck area and facilities on the
beach and have $75,000, plus interest in escrow for expansion. They
will be requesting permits, doing the construction, and when completed
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it will become a County asset. Mr. Clendenon inquired about the
status of the extension of the utilities to this site. Mr. Brinkman
stated that was another project, to be completed when this is done.
This facility will be expanded at the AUO' s cost but the County will
be installing the water and sewer. Mr. Clendenon inquired if the
Registry would be contributing to this cost. Mr. Brinkman replied
that the Office of Capital Projects is working on this project and
they have built in a project cost of approximately $300,000.
Inquiries will be made as to whom is responsible for these costs. Mr.
Mueller inquired about what the expansion included. Mr. Franco
explained that the deck area would be enlarged and an additional
storage facility be built to house cabanas, chairs, umbrellas, etc.
Ms. Till inquired whether the Department would have any input into the
plan; Mr. Blackford remarked that maybe they (The Registry) would not
even have the contract after the completion of the expansion. Mr.
Brinkman explained that this could be true, but the construction was
part of the Agreement and if permission were refused, it may allow
them to get out of paying those funds for the Third Pod to the County.
Mr. Mueller made the motion to have Staff proceed with this on the
condition that it does not in any way correlate with, or go along
with, the request that they had this past summer - that it is an
entirely different project. They were denied that request and we
need to be very careful . Seconded by Mr. Blackford. Approved 4/0
with caution.
VI A - User Fees - Beaches & Facilities
In July 1992, BCC authorized staff to explore the possibility of
increasing beach parking fees. Revenue collection at all sites would
be accomplished through the use of staff and parking meters.
Basically, Tigertail and Clam Pass would remain staffed, and N.
Gulfshore Blvd. , Vanderbilt, Barefoot Beach and Barefoot Preserve
would have parking meters installed. The parking fee at the staffed
sites would be $2.00 per day and at the metered sites a cost of 25
cents per hour. Parking revenue would be collected during the months
of December to April inclusive. An additional Park Ranger would be
requested to help collect the money and patrol these sites.
Mr. Mueller expressed his concern about possible vandalism,
particularly at Tigertail Beach. The majority of visitors at this
site are tourists and not residents. He questioned the pressure that
would be put on Park Rangers, as they spend a great deal of time
monitoring the sea turtles, and have many locations to patrol . Mr.
Mueller made the suggestion that attendant hours be cut back, i .e.
10:00 am to 4:00 pm instead of 8:00 am to 6:00 pm, but kept year
round. Tigertail , in particular, pays for itself as the revenues far
surpass the related expenses. Mr. Brinkman explained that this
Executive Summary was a result of the 6/30/92 BCC meeting at which
time the request was made td do away with the full time people and use
meters for five months of the year. Mr. Mueller had attended that BCC
meeting and was under the impression that staff was to come up with
some form of recommendation, not particularly for only five months of
the year. Ms Till wished to have confirmed that the revenue figures
quoted in the Executive Summary were for the full year at the new
recommended price. Mr. Franco explained that the Rangers now spend
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approximately two hours daily on turtle monitoring as the State has
changed its requirements and the nests no longer need monitoring at
night. Marco Island is also the only site that a full time Ranger
assigned specifically to a location. Presently, five full time
Rangers and two part time Rangers are budgeted. The Rangers would be
spending more time at the beach sites and reducing time spent at any
of the other parks.
The number of parking spaces at Bayview, 951, and Lake Trafford were
discussed and the question raised why these locations were not going
to be metered. The decision not to meter was due to the inability to
monitor these locations and the added expense of collecting money from
the meters. Ms. Till inquired about maybe using a building at 951 .
Mr. Murdo Smith stated that at one time there was a concessionaire who
operated near the Coast Guard Station, but that concessionaire is no
longer there. The 951 and Bayview metering decision was made
partially due to the size of the site, as well as a safety concern.
People park on the road now, if meters were installed those spaces
would not be used. It would be necessary to have the Sheriff' s
Department control the illegal parking on the roadway. Mr. Mueller
was of the opinion that sheriff vehicles go up and down 951 frequently
and illegal parking was their responsibility. Staff was asked for
other ideas. Mr. Brinkman stated that the Ranger who was to be hired
would be used for collecting the money. Maybe part of funds could be
used for a Ranger based just at Tigertail . Mr. Mueller again raised
the question of vandalism occurring at Vanderbilt and Tigertail . Mr.
Clendenon asked if staff would be willing to go into a "fall back"
mode and Mr. Brinkman acknowledged that if major problems arose, the
Department would go back to BCC for recommendations. Questions were
raised regarding the seasonal collection of fees. It was explained
that the County Attorney' s office opinion was that a distinction could
not be made betwee residents and non- residents in areas where certain
Grants had been received from the State, and that beach renourishment
funds might be put into jeopardy by discriminating.
Mr. Blackford made a motion this structure be approved until we get
further direction from the BCC, as the BCC has already voted to cut
these positions. Mr. Clendenon would ask to submit an alternate plan
to the Commission. Mr. Mueller again suggested cutting back on the
hours, and stated that doing away with the attendants was creating a
disaster. Mr. Mueller made a motion stating that he believed it would
be improper to take the guards away from Tigertail Beach, at
Vanderbilt and Clam Pass seven months a year. At Vanderbilt
especially and particularly at Tigertail Beach, I suggest BCC
consideration of the possibility of reducing the hours of the guards
i .e. 10:00 am to 4:00 pm as opposed to 8:00 am to 6:00 pm; it would
reduce expenses. At Tigertail , where revenue is almost three times in
excess of expenditures, it would not be wise to remove the guard who
performs a useful service. I am of the opinion, based on past
experience, the occasional presence of a Ranger would be totally
inadequate, as much of the time is spent monitoring turtles. Mr.
Blackford seconded the motion, and it was approved 4/0.
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Facilities Fees - At the June meeting the Rental and Fee Policy of
the Recreation Section was distributed. In this Draft copy some
changes have been made, formulas are included, some fees have been
increased, etc. Mr. Blackford questioned if the Draft locked in the
fees for a period of time. The answer was that the fees could be
changed at Budget time when the Budget is submitted to the BCC for
approval . Staff recommended changes would be first approved by PARAB
and the Department Director could also recommend changes. Mr. Tom
011iff, Public Services Administrator, has made some changes to this
Draft. The revised copy will be submitted to PARAB at the next
meeting. Motion was made by Mr. Clendenon to approve the Fee Policy
as submitted by Parks and Recreation Department. Ms. Till seconded
the motion and it was approved 4/0.
Surveying has begun at for a Little League Field at Golden Gate and a
Softball field at Veterans Park. The construction agreement was
awarded to Lynch Construction and completion is expected the end of
January. These projects were budgeted this year.
B. Safe Swimming at Tigertail Beach - Temporary buoys, which look like
crab traps, have been installed. Within two weeks the permanent buoys
should be in place and the vendor's equipment on the beach will be
moved just a little north of the present location. Mr. Mueller
thought that was an excellent idea as some of the beach vendors seem
to be enroaching on the beach.
C. Budget - Capital List - List requested at last meeting
D. Picnic Tables for Immokalee
E. Immokalee Community Park Amphitheater Renovation - When renovations
to the amphitheater are completed, the concrete picnic tables will be
replaced with Plastisol . This should take place sometime after
November. The Bid for renovations was awarded to Lodge Construction.
F. Conklin Point. Boat Ramp - The design of this facility is 95%
complete. Plans are presently being reviewed and the County has
received notice from the State of the award of Florida Boating
Improvement funds in the amount of $505,000. Plans are for a
concession similiar to Caxambas; there will be approximately 58 boat
trailer spaces, and a launch fee will be charged. If a launch fee is
charged, there would be no parking or entrance fee. There will be
people probably using the park portion of the facility who do not use
the launching facilities. This will be similar to Bayview Park which
has picnic as well as launching facilities. Hopefully the
construction bid will get started within the next few weeks.
G. Clam Pass Utilities - Tied in with the Expansion of Clam Pass.
H. Vanderbilt Beach Access & Parking - Department was asked to explore
the possibility of additional land for parking. There is some
available land in the vicinity, the assessment of which is between 1 .2
and 1 .4 million dollars.
I. 951 Boat Ramp Parking - Remove from Update List
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J. Barefoot Beach Preserve - The Bid has been approved for the 3rd
parking lot in the amount of $36,000. The area has been staked and
the completion time is 30 to 45 days. This will provide 44 additional
parking spaces.
K. Collier County Racquet Club - Installation of two new clay courts and
lights, and repairing court #5 is now in process. This project should
be complete within the next week; however, due to Andrew it may take
additional time. It may be desirable to delay the opening of the new
courts for a little bit.
L. Remote Controlled Cars - The Department has been requested to look at
possible sites for the use of remote controlled cars. Golden Gate
Community Center was being considered, but there is a question of
zoning. The Planning Department is investigating.
M. Additional Parking at Tigertail - Would need permitting from the
State. Capital Projects is working on submittal of same. At this
time positive results seem improbable.
N. Balifield Construction - Veteran's & GGCP - Been discussed
VII. NEW BUSINESS:
1 . Ms. Till inquired if anything had been done in connection with the
School Board regarding Big Cypress park. A summer program was held
at Big Cypress School for the month of August; it started slowly,
picked up, and then slowed again. There is still the possibility of
Avatar of GGAB purchasing property in the Estate area. Maybe a
representative of this group or Sandy from Real Property could come to
our next meeting. The major problem is the number of lots that would
be necessary to purchase to meet the required acreage for a community
park.
2. Mr. Murdo Smith has received letters from North Naples area requesting
additional tennis courts in that area. At the present time there are
none scheduled in the five year plan. People want the courts now and
we will probably receive more requests in the future. Mr. Clendenon
suggested the requestees come to a PARAB meeting; then if approval
were given, the citizens could go to the BCC for approval . Mr.
Mueller stated the the day will come when the Racquet Center on Marco
will become financially self supporting and wondered if other courts
could be operated in a similar way. Mr. Brinkman explained that was
an item being discussed in the five year Master Plan, that there be
some facilities with revenue producing abilities. Some additional
types of facility would have tennis attached and yes, there could be a
Naples and South Naples tennis facility built in connection with
another facility.
3. Ms. Till : The Ground Breaking for the pool was reported in the
paper.
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4. Mr. Blackford: Are there tennis courts planned for the Vineyards?
Yes, 6. Mr. Clendenon suggested if we invite the Women' s Tennis
League to a PARAB meeting, that we be prepared to discuss plans for
additional courts at additional sites. The courts at the Vineyards
are in the Master Plan, but the budget for them was not approved.
More courts could also be added to the back portion at the Racquet
Center on Marco. If the demand is there, it seems that courts would
need to be added to all County locations. Mr. Blackford stated if the
demand is high we need to hear from the women, what documentation do
we need to take? Mr. Smith suggested the residents come in and ask
for approval , if PARAB approves the request it would the item would
then go before the BCC. It would be a chance to meet the public and
make them feel they are participating.
Mr. Mueller made the suggestion that a memo be written to the
employees at the Racquet Center recognizing the painting, cleaning,
etc. , that they have done on their own at the facility. Mr. Brinkman
remarked that whenever there is a special employee that gives above
and beyond the call of duty, it would be nice to have PARAB write a
Resolution that could be passed on to the employee. This would be in
the form of a certificate stating the accomplishment of the employee
and signed by the PARAB members. Mr. Mueller felt that this was an
outstanding example of employees doing a good job and some sort of
recognition ws deserved. Mr. Brinkman stated that these employees at
the Racquet Center were being nominated for the County Employee of the
Month award.
Mr. Smith thanked all the staff that helped before, during, and after
the hurricane.
Ms. Till is to purchase a card and something for Ramona' s new baby
from the members of PARAB.
Mr. Clendenon: Motion to adjourn. Seconded by Mr. Blackford.
Approved 4/0. Adjourned 4: 10 p.m.
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