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Minutes 04/22/1992 R Parks & Recreation Advisory Board (PARAB ) Minutes April 22 , 1992 MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Immokalee Community Park, Community Center Immokalee, FLORIDA, 33934 Wednesday, April 22, 1992 PRESENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas, Chairman Mr. Gil Mueller, Vice Chairman Mr. Timothy Blackford Ms. Geneva Till ABSENT: Mr. William Clendenon ALSO PRESENT: Mr. Gary Franco, Parks Superintendent Ms. Ramona Daugs, Secretary II I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order at 2: 15 p.m. 1 II. Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: III. Approval of Minutes: Approval of 25-Mar-1992 Minutes. Motioned by Gil Mueller, seconded by Ms. Geneva Till , the motion passed unanimously with 1 a 4-0 vote. IV. Requests for Discussion - Specific Update Items: A memo from Mr. Murdo Smith was to be added under "Internal Audit Update" on the Reports/Updates listing. To be discussed at that time. Mr. Gil Mueller requested the following items for updated list: (1) The Safe Swimming Areas at Tigertail - The Executive Summary. Mr. Gary Franco commented that is to construct a safe swimming area at Tigertail Beach for swimmers only. The BCC Chairman is to sign an affidavit, authorizing the permit process to go through. (2) We discussed last month, Program Priorities. What, if anything was resolved on that? Was there any further progress made on it since last month? Mr. Gary Franco commented that no further progress has been made. However, that's where Murdo is today. He' s with the Commissioners reviewing that program budget priority list. So we may know something later on today on what was and was not approved. Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked if there was anything further on "Reorganization of Parks and Recreation Positions". Mr. Gary Franco commented that was part of the County Manager' s plan when he decided to cut some positions from the County Budget. Basically those positions were the Beach & Water Supervisor, the Recreation Superintendent, and the Racquet Sports Supervisor. Those jobs will be eliminated as of October 1st. Now, if there's some vacant positions within our Department, we will try to absorb those people. Ms. Geneva Till vet commented that what she was concerned with, is that we don't lose Mary 1 Ellen, and the other people already in place. Mr. Gary Franco stated that every effort is going to be made to absorb them into the Department in some capacity. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested that staff keep PARAB abreast by periodically bringing that before them before October. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested an update on Mr. Gil Mueller's request for discussion on "User Fees" . Mr. Gil Mueller, I was going back in by records, and last July we started discussing this. We requested this discussion every month, and nothing seemed to end up being discussed. It always seemed to escape being on the Agenda. We made an issue of it in March, and as I recall , it was agreed that it would be put on the agenda for April , but it' s not there. He feels that it is something that is extremely important, and that PARAB should give some input to that to the BCC on that subject. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested that that this subject is put on the May Agenda for discussion under Reports/Updates. Mr. Gil Mueller requested some discussion concerning beach fees. Encourage the Commissioners to retain the present fee structure of $1 .00 Since we haven't been successful in increasing it in the past, perhaps it would be wise to encourage them to retain the current fee structure and also to place the Lely Barefoot park in that schedule just as soon as possible. The facilities within that building will be ready for use within a week to ten days, and it is his opinion at least that once that is accomplished that, that park should have the same fee structure as the rest of the beach parks. He really feels strongly about having some consistency as far as fees at the various park facilities. So, he'd like to encourage the Commissioners to place that in the same category as the other Beach Parks in the County, just as soon as possible. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he is afraid of the groups of people who would like to see all of the fees abolished. In other words, what in effect they would like to see, is for the tax payers of Collier County to subsidize the maintenance of all the parks and not receive any money in return. Personally, he resents and believes many tax payers resent having to pay for that amenity for tourists. He also feels that these people will be pursuing this very quickly. That is the reason I have made somewhat of an issue of it and thought perhaps it might be wise for PARAB to make that recommendation. He wants the County Commissioners to know how we feel about it at this point, and then discuss it in greater detail perhaps next meeting. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that we encourage the BCC to retain the same fee structure as it relates to our County beaches as we've had in past years. In view of the fact that Lely Barefoot Beach Bath-house facilities will be available within ten days, to give particular attention to placing the Lely Barefoot Beach in that same fee structure. Ms. Geneva Till seconded this motion, and it passed with a 4-0 vote. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested an update on Tigertail . Mr. Gary Franco commented that the County Manager is going to sign off on the hiring of the Ranger position to be paid out of the Marco Beach re-nourishment taxing district. We need to get that position in place by May 1st, 2 because that is when Sea Turtle monitoring has to occur. Basically that position is going to be funded for somewhere in the neighborhood of, with benefits, 22 or 23 thousand dollars. Mr. Gil Mueller requested discussion on the "Collier County Park & Recreation Department Registration Forms", more specifically the Hold Harmless Agreement on these forms. He commented that the legal way that this is worded is absolutely ridiculous, and there has been a lot of dissension and complaining at the Racquet Club. He personally thinks that its overkill , that it's unnecessary. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he had made a recommendation once before that this be looked into and that PARAB have a report on it. He is still waiting for the report. Mr. Gary Franco commented that all County activity participants are to sign that Hold Harmless Agreement. Mr. Gil Mueller asked if this was unusual to have everybody sign something like this. It' s Mr. Gil Mueller's opinion that it' s not being done throughout the County to 100 percent. That is the reason he wanted some explanation as to if it could be modified, abandoned, or done completely throughout the County. Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked if anything has been done lately concerning this form. Mr. Gary Franco commented that the basic form has remained unchanged since its inception. Ms. Cherryle Thomas also asked if anybody is in the process of re-doing this form? Mr. Gary Franco commented, not to his knowledge. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that this be put on the May agenda and perhaps the Attorneys can come. Mr. Murdo Smith is to give PARAB an update. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented, I really am interested then in the legalities of this form. Mr. Gary Franco commented that we've had one law suit against us where a person tripped over a sprinkler or so he said and hurt his leg. Fortunately, for the County, we won that law suit. Mr. Gary Franco commented the general residents or the people that just walk in the park and want to use the facilities (i .e. tennis courts) do not sign that form. However, for any Collier County sponsored event (i .e. Tennis League) they are required to sign it. That is the policy. 951 Boat Ramp Parking: Mr. Gary Franco commented that he knows we've got to apply to the DNR to acquire some land out in that area. The time line on that is something like two or three years. 3 Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked Gary Franco about the Bid for the Picnic Tables. Mr. Gary Franco commented that has not gone to the BCC yet. However, the Executive Summary has been prepared. We're looking forward to within the next two weeks it should be going to the BCC. V. New Business/Presentations: A. Update on Capital Projects: Mr. Gary Franco commented, "This is for the capital projects that are planned for the rest of this year, and next year. They are: THE SWIMMING POOL DESIGN FOR GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY PARK - Mr. Gary Franco, "That project should go out for bid, and contract awarded by the end of the fiscal year. Construction and completion should be by the end of 1992/93 or the end of next fiscal year and that will be at a cost of 1 .5 million dollars. That pool is to be located at the Golden Gate Community Park. Now that is not an Olympic sized pool , that is a competitive pool which is a 25 meter pool . " Mr. Timothy Blackford asked about the pool user regulations. Mr. Gary Franco commented that there will be some times set up for just the general residents to swim. However, there will be some meets and swimming programs where we'll have to restrict the amount of people into the pool . So, it's going to be for the community, but for scheduled events also. i 0 BASEBALL FIELDS - Mr. Gary Franco, "The next couple of items has to do with Baseball fields. We are going to put in some new Baseball fields at the Golden Gate and Veterans Community Parks. The specs will be on the street by early June, and the contract should be awarded in August for actual construction to begin. The total amount for that project for both of those facilities will be 825,000 dollars roughly. Those moneys will also be drawn from the 306 fund. LIGHTING OF FOOTBALL/SOCCER FIELDS - Mr. Gary Franco, "Lighting will be accomplished at Veterans and East Naples Community Parks on the Football/Soccer fields. That will be a projected cost of $125,000 each. Along with that, there will be construction of a new Football/Soccer field in Immokalee on the Middle School site. We have one there currently, to make a total of two fields. That total project cost will be $150,000." THE REHABILITATION OF THE IMMOKALEE MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE - Mr. Gary Franco commented there's $200,000 allocated to rehab. that site. What that will be going for initially is for the design of the power, and water, and sewer supply systems for that site. That should be accomplished next year. The gym is going to be improved. " B. Tour of Immokalee Community Center & Parks: Postponed until the end of the meeting. 4 VI. Reports/Updates: A. Conklin Point Boat Ramp: Mr. Gary Franco, "As most of you know, we are reviewing the final design for the Conklin Point boat ramp. We've make some re-designs for that facility, namely for some of the parking are and turning radiuses. Also, we're applying for a grant from the Florida Boaters Improvement Fund for $500,000 for that facility. It looks like it' s a positive response right now. B. Registry Resort Proposal : Mr. Gary Franco, "As most of you know, this is concerning the construction of the third pod out there. What the commission has done, is to renew that option for one more additional year. There' s $75,000 in escrow for them to construct that within a year from now. So, they have until a year from the date of the extension. However, if that does not happen, the $75,000 in escrow plus interest will be turned back to the County if they don't accomplish that." C. Clam Pass Park Utilities: There were some alternatives that the County is trying to explore right now. One is to run the utility lines underneath the boardwalk with reduced pipe sizing to keep it off the dune on the beach. D. Pools: Previously discussed. E. Vanderbilt Beach Accesses & Parking: Mr. Gary Franco, "For some of you that haven't been up that way, there has been a boardwalk or an elevated dune crossover constructed at that facility already, and also some planing of sea oats. That is the first phase of that project. There will be some other phases of that project for improvements out there, which will be coming rather shortly. I think that we have $60,000 budgeted for re-landscaping of that facility. F. Community Centers: Mr. Gary Franco, "This may be one of the items that the Chairman has requested to take off the Reports/Updates. The Community Centers are built now. We have the Certificate of Occupancy's. Perhaps, unless there' s any other further dialogue about Community Center we want to take that off the list. " Mr. Gil Mueller & Ms. Cherryle Thomas agreed. G. Soccer Fields: Mr. Gary Franco, "That is pertaining to the construction of the Soccer fields at the Vineyards School site. The bid is out, and the bid opening will be the 29th of this month. We had a pre-Bid conference and nine vendors were present. The Vineyards itself has agreed to the design of the basic facility and that should be 5 $j constructed by September to accommodate the Youth Soccer Association. That's when their leagues start. The total cost of that project is going to be in the neighborhood of $380,000. H. 951 Boat Ramp Parking: previously discussed. I. Collier Bonita Beach Park Project: Basically what we're doing there is constructing a Dune Crossover which is in the process of construction right now, and some re-vegetation to the Dune area. J. Barefoot Beach Preserve: Mr. Gary Franco, "We're in the process of the final construction of the Bath House facility out there. Along with that, we're doing some exotic removal at the Barefoot Beach Preserve. That means taking out some of the Australian Pines. Also some re-vegetation of some native plants is occuring. I believe about 20,000 native plants are to be planted in that dune area, to bring it back to it' s pristine nature that it once was. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he's concerned about what procedure will be put into effect as far as the collection of the fee to that park in view of the problems that we've already had with the Lely Barefoot Guard situation. I just wonder how that can be rectified. " Mr. Gary Franco, "Of course the BCC would have to direct us to go ahead and add some fees and charges there. Mr. Gil Mueller, "When do you think that you'll be doing that?" Mr. Gary Franco, "I believe that is going to have to come through the Administrative channels like Mr. 011iff and Murdo to approach the Board to see if they would have some additional fees and charges. We have not made and official recommendation as to any fees and charges there. The last thing that I was aware of, is that the BCC voted not to have any fees and charges there until maybe we had some facilities there. Mr. Gil Mueller, "Maybe that's something that you could relay on to Murdo at least from this Board Member. An inquiry as to when they're going to appear before the County Commissioners and ask how they want that situation handled up there, and when they're going to start charging fees. This I think should be done before we get into a general discussion on User Fees, I think. " K. Immokalee Park Bathrooms: Mr. Gary Franco, "They've been completed. That may be an item that we need to take off the Report/Update list. An item that we may need to add is the IMCP Amphitheater renovations. I think most people will be happy to know that is finally going out for bid. We should have a response roughly in a month. I would anticipate construction to start out there in roughly two months. " Ms. Cherryle Thomas, "When the Amphitheater is completed, then you'll work on the Handicapped ramps. " Mr. Gary Franco, "Yes. We have looked at some deigns. We're trying to put either an asphalt 6 walk in there, or a concrete walk. " Mr. Gil Mueller requested a revamping of the monthly agenda. L. Collier County Racquet Club: Mr. Gary Franco, "That is proceeding as per schedule. Mr. Gil Mueller, "I talked to Tom Donnegan about a week ago and he said that the Company that the BCC had awarded the contract to had been absorbed by a larger company and it was going to be necessary to rewrite the contract. The BCC would have to give their approval . Basically nothing had changed. I asked him whether he felt this would put the thing on hold for awhile or whether other things could be accomplished such as going through the Risk Management Dept. and the Legal Dept. He said that he didn't think that it would delay it. But other than that, I don't know. It's been delayed four times already. So, it wouldn't surprise me if it were delayed again. " Mr. Gary Franco, "The latest information that I have is that document is in the hands of the County Attorney and they are reviewing it right now. I know there was a title change. I will call Tom Donnegan tomorrow and find out what's going on. " M. Veterans Community Park Sign Change: Mr. Gary Franco, "This is an item that we may want to take off the Reports/Updates list also. We have solicited some vendors to change those signs to say Veterans Community Park. It's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500 to accomplish that. We have already written a requisition and awarded the refurbishing of those signs to a vendor. It should happen very shortly. " N. Internal Audit Update: Mr. Gary Franco, "We have been audited by the County itself by Carmen Fatica from the Finance Department. Periodically they come in and look at our procedures and make sure we're doing everything according to Finance procedures. We came away very good. There are some things, but most of the items have to do with how we take receipts, giving receipts to our customers, matching "Z" Reports with the total amounts, and verifying what the Concessionaires owe us for any given month. Mr. Gil Mueller reminded us that the Productivity study was very strong in that regard. Mr. Gary Franco commented that the Productivity study was very strong in setting fees and charges that are consistent. Mr. Gil Mueller, "So obviously this gentleman feels the same way, and I think it's something we should spend some time on. " It was agreed that the PARAB Members would take the memo home with them to come back next meeting to discuss this further. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested that this subject be put on the May, 1992 PARAB Agenda. 7 0. Cool Concession Inc. : Ms. Geneva Till asked if the Marco Concessionaire is back on line. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that we reduced his payment and then actually he didn't receive that reduction because it was sitting in the County Attorney's office for umpteen months. So, as a result in February it finally came to a head and then they had to make it retroactive, going all the way back to 1991 and give him a lump sum settlement. Mr. Gary Franco commented that the total amount was somewhere in the neighborhood of $2700 and his check will be ready today at 4:00 p.m. It has been quite a long time. As of February 1st he was back on the original schedule of full payment. P. Reports/Updates for Next Month's PARAB Agenda: PARAB agreed to remove Soccer Fields and Registry Resort Proposal from the Reports/Updates list until the completion of them. Then after next month Internal Audit Update will go off. The items that they would like put on the Reports/Updates list for may will be: Safe Swimming Area at Tigertail Beach, Program Priorities, User Fees (as item A) , Registration Forms - Hold Harmless Agreement, Picnic Tables at Immokalee Park, Reorganization of Park & Recreation Positions, and Immokalee Park Amphitheater Renovations, and Internal Audit Update. VII. New Business: A. Next Month's Meeting: PARAB agreed to hold next month's meeting at the Frank E. Mackle Jr. Community Park on Marco Island. That will be on May 27, 1992 at 2:00 p.m. B. Dogs in the Park: Mr. Gil Mueller, "There seems to be a group of people on Marco that are insisting that they be allowed to use the parks as a place for their dogs. " He also commented that he brought this up because it could proliferate to other parks. They've been talking to the Commissioners and he feels that they will appear before the Commissioners. This arose at the Plumber Park, which is a park on Barfield. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he feels that this would be a good time to let the BCC know how PARAB feels about it. Mr. Gary Franco, "Under current ordinances domesticated animals in the park is a prohibited act. However, they could petition the Commission and get the ordinance amended. That may have some devastating effects on our park system if that would happen. " 8 C. IMCP Complaints: Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that three ladies called her and also talked to two Commissioners regarding complaints. They live by Big Cypress School . They were suggesting that there's nothing park-wise over in that area. They were saying that their Civic organization has gotten together, and would be favorable of paying an extra tax or tax set aside so they can get some Park and Recreational things in that area. Staff has talked to some people concerning some play structures to be placed in that area. We have tentatively put in $50,000 in next year's budget under an expanded request to go onto that site. Tom 011iff has approved it, however it has to still go through the remainder of the budget process. Ms. Cherryle Thomas, "Well , they're anticipating coming to one of our meetings as soon as school lets out to discuss this with us." D. Maria Perez's Petition: Mr. Gary Franco, "We have received a petition from Maria Perez, concerning the condition of the Immokalee Community Park. She was saying that the parks are not as well maintained as the ones in Naples." Gary Franco feels that the Immokalee Community Park is in 1 good shape. That her concerns focus mainly on the Softball field or lights or some type of situation that has occurred with some of the people out here. He knows that we've had a faulty timer and it has been replaced. From what staff understands she is supposed to meet the Commissioner Anne Goodnight. If PARAB can give him some more specific information, if it's concerning policy, or maintenance Crelated. Ms. Cherryle Thomas, "I think it's both. Their concerns are (1) sprinkler systems and grass and shrubbery. (2) The cost that we're charging per person or per team or whatever for softball . (3) When they're half way through their game, the lights go off. " She understands that we have cut staff down because of budgetary reasons, but there is no one around for them to call when these certain things happen. So they're saying that they don't want to pay the money that they'd rather go to Golden Gate or some other park where there is somebody constantly present. It's understood that GGCP' s budget was not cut, that there's somebody out there all the time, but Cherryle Godfrey is on limited time. Gary Franco commented that staff has received some correspondence from Anne Goodnight. As all are aware, the hiring freeze encompassed several Recreational positions. Cherryle Godfrey has just received a new hire position at the IMCP just this week. Since about 1988 we're tried to upgrade the Immokalee area, and specifically we've done renovations to the Middle School site for the Soccer field, the Immokalee Airport Park, and the picnic tables, etc. So, if there's some way that staff can find out exactly what their concerns are, that helps. We want to work with these people and try to help them in any way. or Mr. Gil Mueller commented that maybe Ms. Thomas can put these people in touch with Gary and let him know specifically what they feel 9 could be improved upon. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that she has put her in touch with Murdo, and she does have a large following. Mr. Gary Franco commented that from what he understands, it's quite large, that he's received a petition. He visited the facility, and left him at somewhat of a loss. He knows they were saying something about the clay on the fields, but typically we have that at all our field that the clay is too soft or too hard. Each organization likes it a different way. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that she thinks the bone of contention is the personnel though. They want somebody they can call immediately to give them an answer. Mr. Gary Franco commented that he can certainly understand that. F. Funds 001 and 111: Mr. Gil Mueller asked Cherryle Thomas if she knew that the Immokalee parks are under a separate taxing district and that they are not funded by the advelorum or other impact fees etc. from the County as a whole. Mr. Gary Franco commented that when he budgets for maintenance, he budgets under two funds the General fund and the Immokalee MSTD fund and that is the 111 fund. That is the operating fund for Immokalee. Moneys for Immokalee can not be used to support anything in the General Fund and General Fund moneys can not be used to support anything in the Immokalee Fund. So, in essence what they have is their own taxing district. Ms. Geneva Till commented that she is confused about the Golden Gate Community Center. Mr. Gary Franco explained that the people within those four square miles have actually paid for the upkeep that facility in Golden Gate. However, it is still a County facility. Mr. Gary Franco, "The tax moneys in Immokalee go to support specific and parks in Immokalee. " Mr. Gil Mueller, "Naples, Marco Island, Golden Gate and so forth are all within the general fund with the exception of the Golden Gate Community Center which is a separate taxing district. " Mr. Gary Franco, "Right. Just for the Center itself." Mr. Gary Franco commented that he will get more specifics on this and report back on the question of the taxing districts, and the Big Cypress district idea. VIII. Adjournment: Gil Mueller motioned to adjourn the meeting at 3:45 p.m. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the motion passed unanimously with a 4-0 vote. GF:rtd:004360 19-May-1992 Tue 10: 11 10 (long version) MINUTES C PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Immokalee Community Park, Community Center Immokalee, FLORIDA, 33934 Wednesday, April 22, 1992 PRESENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas, Chairman Mr. Gil Mueller, Vice Chairman Mr. Timothy Blackford Ms. Geneva Till ABSENT: Mr. William Clendenon ALSO PRESENT: Mr. Gary Franco, Parks Superintendent Ms. Ramona Daugs, Secretary II I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order at 2:15 p.m. II. Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: III. Approval of Minutes: Approval of 25-Mar-1992 Minutes. Motioned by Gil Mueller, seconded by Ms. Geneva Till , the motion passed unanimously with a 4-0 vote. IV. Requests for Discussion - Specific Update Items: A memo from Mr. Murdo Smith was to be added under "Internal Audit Update" on the Reports/Updates listing. To be discussed at that time. Mr. Gil Mueller requested the following items that he wanted updated on: (1) The Safe Swimming Areas at Tigertail - The Executive Summary. Mr. Gary Franco commented that is to construct a safe swimming area at Tigertail Beach for swimmers only. We asked the BCC Chairman to sign an affidavit, authorizing the permit process to go through. It was on last week' s BCC Agenda. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he just wanted to be sure that it was brought before the BCC, and that it has been signed. (2) We discussed last month, Program Priorities. What, if anything was resolved on that? Was there any further progress made on it since last month? Mr. Gary Franco commented that no further progress has been made. However, that's where Murdo is today. He' s with the Commissioners reviewing that program budget priority list. So we may know something later on today on what was and was not approved. Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked if there was anything further on "Reorganization of Parks and Recreation Positions". Mr. Gary Franco commented that was part of the County Manager's plan when he decided to cut some positions from the County Budget. Basically those positions were the Beach & Water Supervisor, the Recreation Superintendent, and the Racquet Sports Supervisor. Those jobs will be eliminated as of October 1st. Now, if there's some vacant positions within our 1 Department, we will try to absorb those people. I believe Ed Torroni , the Racquet Sports Supervisor has agreed to help Jim Thomas as the Assistant Athletic Sports Supervisor. He's had to take a drastic pay cut to keep that job. Concerning Mary Ellen (Recreation Superintendent) , and Bob Legler (Beach & Water Supervisor) , I have no idea what's happening with them right now. Ms. Geneva Till commented that what she was concerned with, is that we don't lose Mary Ellen, and the other people already in place. Mr. Gary Franco every effort is going to be made to absorb them into the Department in some capacity. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested that staff keep PARAB abreast by periodically bringing that before them before October. Mr. Gary Franco commented that some of those positions are still under the hiring freeze by the County Manager. He has lifted the hiring freeze on the Assistant Athletic Supervisor. So Ed Torroni is already absorbed. Concerning the other two, he has not unfrozen any of those positions as of yet. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested an update on Mr. Gil Mueller's request for discussion on "User Fees" . Mr. Gil Mueller, I was going back in by records, and last July we started discussing this. We requested this discussion every month, and nothing seemed to end up being discussed. It always seemed to escape being on the Agenda. We made an issue of it in March, and as I recall , it was agreed that it would be put on the agenda for April , but it's not there. He feels that it is something that is extremely important, and that PARAB should give some input to that to the BCC on that subject. Ms. Cherryle Thomas request that Ramona make sure that this subject is put on the May Agenda for discussion under Reports/Updates. Mr. Gil Mueller requested some discussion concerning beach fees. Fees at County owned beaches. Other User Fees is a pretty wide and involved subject and doesn't think we are prepared for it. Also to discuss fees at County owned parks, and to encourage the Commissioners to retain the present fee structure of $1 .00 Since we haven't been successful in increasing it in the past, perhaps it would be wise to encourage them to retain the current fee structure and also to place the Lely Barefoot park in that schedule just as soon as possible. The facilities within that building will be ready for use within a week to ten days, and it is his opinion at least that once that is accomplished that, that park should have the same fee structure as the rest of the beach parks. It's just been to erratic in the past. One has a charge and one doesn't. One charge one rate, and one another rate. He really feels strongly about having some consistency as far as fees at the various park facilities. So, he'd like to encourage the Commissioners to place that in the same category as the other Beach Parks in the County, just as soon as possible. Ms. Cherryle Thomas suggested to make the discussion for Murdo Smith at the next meeting, to find out from the BCC for us. We can even vote on having Murdo do it the right way. OK. Let's vote on Murdo, if we're that anxious, but lets have a little conversation first. Request Murdo to go to the BCC and express our opinion and to give us some feedback on that. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he is afraid of the groups of people who would like to see all of the fees abolished. In other words, what in effect they would like to see, is for the tax payers of Collier County to subsidize the maintenance of all the parks and not receive any money in return. He feels that' s particularly ironic though, for two reasons. The first reason being that it's his impression from past figures that 2 something like 70 to 75 percent of the people who use these parks are tourists. Personally, he resents and believes many tax payers resent having to pay for that amenity for tourists. Secondly, it is additionally ironical that this same group of people who are encouraging free parks, don't even live in Collier County. They live in another County. He also feels that these people will be pursuing this very quickly. That is the reason I have made somewhat of an issue of it and thought perhaps it might be wise for PARAB to make that recommendation. He wants the County Commissioners to know how we feel about it at this point, and then discuss it in greater detail perhaps next meeting. Ms. Cherryle Thomas, OK. Ms. Geneva Till , what kind of connection is there. If they're not in this County, why are they trying to do this? Mr. Gil Mueller quoted from the newspaper that "they believe that their beaches should be freely accessible to all who want to go to the beach. This includes free parking. Let's just take what God gave us and give it to the people free. " Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he's a believer in God and believe that God helps those who help themselves and he just doesn't think that the tax payers should have to subsidize this whole thing for everybody throughout the whole world. In view of the elements of people that are promoting free use of our beaches for everyone at not cost, and are promoting that the Collier County Taxpayer should pay for this in effect, that we should get in a word with the Commissioners just as early as possible to let them know how we feel , just in case between now and next meeting that they appear before the Commissioners and have some degree of success. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that we encourage the BCC to retain the same fee structure as it relates to our County beaches as we've had in past years. In view of the fact that Lely Barefoot Beach Bath-house facilities will be available within ten days, to give particular attention to placing the Lely Barefoot Beach in that same fee structure. Ms. Geneva Till seconded this motion, and it passed with a 4-0 vote. Ms. Cherryle Thomas instructed Ramona to see that Mr. Timothy Blackford receive a copy of the Productivity Committee's report. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested an update on Tigertail . Mr. Gary Franco commented that the County Manager is going to sign off on the hiring of the Ranger position to be paid out of the Marco Beach re-nourishment taxing district. We need to get that position in place by May 1st, because that is when Sea Turtle monitoring has to occur. So we're in the process right now of doing the PAR's for that new position. Basically that position is going to be funded for somewhere in the neighborhood of, with benefits, 22 or 23 thousand dollars. Actually we' re going to be saving money over last year by having the Ranger monitor Sea Turtles. The Rangers do have some more expanded duties (i .e. routine patrol , and on their ATV's etc. ) . We do solicit volunteers. Mr. Gil Mueller requested discussion on the "Collier County Park & Recreation Department Registration Forms", more specifically the Hold Harmless Agreement on these forms. He commented that the legal way that this is worded is absolutely ridiculous, and there has been a lot of dissension and complaining at the Racquet Club. He personally thinks that its overkill , that it's unnecessary. Mr. Gil Mueller commented 3 that he had made a recommendation once before that this be looked into 0"" and that PARAB have a report on it. He is still waiting for the report. Mr. Gary Franco commented that all County activity participants are to sign that Hold Harmless Agreement. However, he knows that Murdo was going to discuss that item with the County Attorney and the results of that he's not aware of. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that was in August of last year. Mr. Gil Mueller asked if this was unusual to have everybody sign something like this, that we could have everyone that enters Tigertail beach sign something like this and we don't. It's Mr. Gil Mueller' s opinion that it's not being done throughout the County to 100 percent. That is the reason he wanted some explanation as to if it could be modified, abandoned, or done completely throughout the County. One way or the other, rather than being inconsistent about it. Mr. Mueller commented, that was the information he was trying to acquire. Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked if anything has been done lately concerning this form. Mr. Gary Franco commented that the basic form has remained unchanged since its inception. Ms. Cherryle Thomas also asked if anybody is in the process of re-doing this form? Mr. Gary Franco commented, not to his knowledge. Also, he knows there is a stipulation that is in there from the Risk Management Department for insurance purposes, however, any updates he is not aware of at this point. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that this be put on the May agenda and perhaps the Attorneys can come. Mr. Murdo Smith is to give PARAB an update, whether all of us are using it or just some of us, whether this form in its simplest state will stay or will it be changed. Mr. Gil Mueller commented, "By the same token, a user of the Racquet Club can ask the County to give them a certificate saying that in as much as the courts are in such terrible shape and you might get hurt on it, that the County would be liable for it. " Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented, or does the sign say play at your risk? Mr. Gil Mueller that would be more sensible to just put a sign up that says play at your own risk, than asking intelligent people to sign something like this. I don't think any intelligent person would sign something like this. I know I won't, said Mr. Gil Mueller. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented, I really am interested then in the legalities of this form. Mr. Gary Franco commented that we've had one law suit against us where a person tripped over a sprinkler or so he said and hurt his leg. Fortunately, for the County, we won that law suit. Mr. Timothy Blackford commented that whenever you go to do something that there's any possibility of getting hurt, you'd almost have to sign these. Mr. Gil Mueller, "So let's do it at Caxambas Pass, at the 951 boat ramp. If anybody gets hurt on any Collier County property they have to sign this before they can participate. If that's what we're going to do, let's do it 100 percent. Let's not be selective in certain areas. " Mr. Gary Franco commented the general residents or the people that just walk in the park and want to use the facilities (i .e. tennis courts) do not sign that form. However, for any Collier County sponsored event (i .e. Tennis League) they are required to sign it. That is the policy. Mr. Timothy Blackford commented that it sounds like we need some direction from the County Attorney. Ms. Cherryle Thomas, " . . .or whoever. " Mr. Gil Mueller, "It's not going to be easy getting direction from the County Attorney, I 'll tell you." Mr. Timothy Blackford commented he was wondering about the boat ramps what we'd do as far as user fees. There was talk some time ago about 4 when we get Conklin Point open, to initiate some sort of a fee structure there. He was also wondering if we would consider that for 951 or what' s currently being done there? Mr. Gary Franco, To the best of my knowledge that was the all encompassing User Fee thing that has been postponed or has yet to be addressed. Mr. Gil Mueller informed Mr. Timothy Blackford that there won't be a charge at the 951 boat ramp, because they don't have the facilities. Until they have additional parking facilities, it wouldn't be financially expedient to put up a guard and a charge and so forth. Hopefully some progress is being made there. 951 Boat Ramp Parking: Mr. Gary Franco commented that he knows we've got to apply to acquire some land out in that area. The time line on that is something like two or three years or something like that. Mr. Timothy Blackford, "As of the last meeting, Murdo was going to meet with Tom 011iff about the 306 fund and prioritize how to spend those funds. Do you know any information as a result of that meeting? Mr. Gary Franco, yes that should come under the next item to be discussed and we do have some reports on that. Ms. Cherryle Thomas asked Gary Franco about the Bid for the Picnic Tables. Mr. Gary Franco commented that has not gone to the BCC yet. However, the Executive Summary has been prepared. We're looking forward to within the next two weeks it should be going to the BCC. V. New Business/Presentations: A. Update on Capital Projects: Mr. Gary Franco commented, "This is for the capital projects that are planned for the rest of this year, and next year. They are: THE SWIMMING POOL DESIGN FOR GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY PARK - Mr. Gary Franco, "That project should go out for bid, and contract awarded by the end of the fiscal year. Construction and completion should be by the end of 1992/93 or the end of next fiscal year and that will be at a cost of 1 .5 million dollars. That pool is to be located at the Golden Gate Community Park. Now that is not an Olympic sized pool , that is a competitive pool which is a 25 meter pool . " Ms. Geneva Till commented that the size of the pool was reduced because the size of the other pool that was to be coming up in the Golden Gate Estates. Now the other pool won't be there. This pool planned for the GGCP will be the only pool for all of the Naples area, not just for Golden Gate. So she asked if there wasn't any way we could get the size of the 25 meter pool increased to the Olympic pool size. Mr. Gary Franco commented that from everything that he understands, a 25 meter pool is still a pretty good sized pool . The other PARAB Members also agreed that a 25 meter pool is a pretty good sized pool . Mr. Timothy Blackford asked about the pool user regulations. Mr. Gary Franco commented that there will be some times set up for just the general residents to swim. However, there will be some meets and swimming programs where we'll have to 5 restrict the amount of people into the pool . So, it's going to be for the community, but for scheduled events also. It's going to be constructed where the Tot lot is, outside of the Administration building at the GGCP. There could be some room for expansion, but it would be limited. BASEBALL FIELDS - Mr. Gary Franco, "The next couple of items has to do with Baseball fields. We are going to put in some new Baseball fields at the Golden Gate and Veterans Community Parks. The specs will be on the street by early June, and the contract should be awarded in August for actual construction to begin. The total amount for that project for both of those facilities will be 825,000 dollars roughly. Those moneys will also be drawn from the 306 fund. That's two fields. One Softball field at Veterans Community park and one Little League field at Golden Gate Community Park. Also with the the field at Golden Gate, there is going to be construction of an additional parking lot located by the sewer recharge plant." LIGHTING OF FOOTBALL/SOCCER FIELDS - Mr. Gary Franco, "Lighting will be accomplished at Golden Gate and East Naples on the Football/Soccer fields. That will be a projected cost of $125,000 each. Along with that, there will be construction of a new Football/Soccer field in Immokalee on the Middle School site. We have one there currently, to make a total of two fields. The new field there will also be lit. And that total project cost will be $250,000. " THE REHABILITATION OF THE IMMOKALEE MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE - Mr. Gary Franco commented there's $200,000 allocated to rehab. that site. What that will be going for initially is for the design of the power, and water, and sewer supply systems for that site. That should be accomplished next year. The gym is going to be improved. " Mr. Gary Franco, "OK. That would do it for the capital projects update. " B. Tour of Immokalee Community Center & Parks: Postponed until the end of the meeting. VI. Reports/Updates: A. Conklin Point Boat Ramp: Mr. Gary Franco, "As most of you know, we are reviewing the final design for the Conklin Point boat ramp. We've make some re-designs for that facility and namely for some of the parking are and turning radiuses. So we're reviewing those designs right now. Also, we're applying for a grant from the Florida Boaters Association for $500,000 for that facility. It looks like it's a positive response right now. We do have to do some more work. We don't have the grant yet, but it looks if everything goes well , we will be receiving those grant moneys. " Mr. Gil Mueller asked what if any • 6 obligations will there be with this grant. Mr. Gary Franco commented that he is not aware of any any this point, but will check into that. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that maybe the grant moneys can staff people too. Mr. Gary Franco commented that he doesn't know if the money can be used for that. He think it would be just for the construction maybe, or help to offset some of the construction costs of that facility. B. Registry Resort Proposal : Mr. Gary Franco, "As most of you know, this is concerning the construction of the third pod out there. What the commission has done, is to renew that option for one more additional year. There's $75,000 in escrow for them to construct that within a year from now. So, they have until a year from the date of the extension. However, if that does not happen, the $75,000 in escrow plus interest will be turned back to the County if they don't accomplish that. " C. Clam Pass Park Utilities: Mr. Gary Franco, "As most of you are aware, that project some various questions concerning that project. There were some alternatives that the County is trying to explore right now. One is to run the utility lines underneath the boardwalk with reduced pipe sizing to keep it off the dune on the beach. So the County is reviewing some of those proposals right now. That's about the only thing we can say right now. We don't know if it's going to be approved, it' s just going to be turned back to the County. The initial one for the eight inch water line to go down to the dune was turned down in the Commissioners office. " D. Pools: Previously discussed. E. Vanderbilt Beach Accesses & Parking: Mr. Gary Franco, "For some of you that haven't been up that way, there has been a boardwalk or an elevated dune crossover constructed at that facility already, and also some planing of sea oats. That is the first phase of that project. There will be some other phases of that project for improvements out there, which will be coming rather shortly. I think that we have like $60,000 for re-landscaping of that facility out there. That has to do with that cul-de-sac out there. " Mr. Timothy Blackford, "What do we charge at that park? A dollar. Right?" Mr. Gary Franco, "Yes. We charge in the parking lot and also charge on the side of the road there's some meters up there. We average bi-weekly from $80 to $160 in just quarters alone. Bob Legler and also his people that work across from there. They go out an empty it about every ten days. I 'm not familiar with the history of that, but I do know that the Sheriffs Department does ticket cars for violations in there on the side of the road. The Rangers don't do anything to giving tickets to those people up there, the Sheriffs Department does that by itself. 7 F. Community Centers: Mr. Gary Franco, "This may be one of the items that the Chairman has requested. Maybe we can take off the Reports/Updates. The Community Centers are built now. We have the Certificate of Occupancy's. Perhaps, unless there's any other further dialogue about Community Center we want to take that off the list. " Mr. Gil Mueller & Ms. Cherryle Thomas agreed. G. Soccer Fields: Mr. Gary Franco, "That is pertaining to the construction of the Soccer fields at the Vineyards School site. The bid is out, and the bid opening will be the 29th of this month. We had a pre-Bid conference and nine vendors were present. The Vineyards itself has agreed to the design of the basic facility and that should be constructed by September to accommodate the Youth Soccer Association. That's when their leagues start. The total cost of that project is going to be in the neighborhood of $380,000. So, that' s going to fast-track pretty quick. " H. 951 Boat Ramp Parking: previously discussed. Mr. Gil Mueller requested that this item be left on simply to have a report each month as to what if any progress is being made on this. I. Collier Bonita Beach Park Project: Mr. Gary Franco, "Now, this is not the Barefoot Beach Project, this is the one right by the County line. Basically what we're doing there is constructing a Dune Crossover which is in the process of construction right now, and some re-vegetation to the Dune area. That's basically what we're doing. I don't have any time line when that' s going to be finished. It just got started about a week ago. " Ms. Geneva Till asked if Lee County agree that we should have our own stop light? Mr. Gary Franco commented, "In all actuality he believes that the Collier County Commission had decided that we would have our own. I think that they didn't want a joint agreement with Lee County for the improvement to that site out there. Mr. Gil Mueller, "They did agree to the sewer hook-up though. " Mr. Gary Franco, "Right! So we're going to do ours and they're going to do theirs. But I have seen in the newspaper lately where it would be postponed for another year because they had depended on us, and now we had let them down is what they're saying. Mr. Gil Mueller, "I think in this case it was a good decision on part of the Commissioners to back out. " J. Barefoot Beach Preserve: Mr. Gary Franco, "We're in the process of the final construction of the Bath House facility out there. As I explained to Mr. Mueller, within ten days to two weeks, that facility should be on line. Along with that, we're doing some exotic removal at the Barefoot Beach Preserve. That means taking out some of the Australian Pines. Killing some of those pines and taking some of the branches 8 off for the eagles to perch in, and also some re-vegetation for some native plants. I believe about 20,000 native plants are to be planted in that dune area, to bring it back to it's pristine nature that it once was. I encourage, that is some of you haven't been up to that facility. It's really pretty. It's really nice up there. " Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he's concerned about what procedure will be put into effect as far as the collection of the fee to that park in view of the problems that we've already had with the Lely Barefoot Guard situation. I just wonder how that can be rectified. " Mr. Gary Franco, "Of course the BCC would have to direct up to go ahead and add some fees and charges up there. Then we would have to bring up some kind of methodology. Mechanics to try to collect a fee there. If they would let us. I think everybody in this room knows that it would be a very hotly contested battle. Fees and Charges at that facility. We may win, we may not win, but the Citizens for Bonita Beach are definitely vocal about not having any fees and charges at our beach facility." Mr. Gil Mueller, "Has the Parks and Recreation Department set the wheels in Mr. Gil Mueller, "When do you think that you'll be doing that?" Mr. Gary Franco, "I believe that is going to have to come through the Administrative channels like Tom 011iff and Murdo to approach the Board to see if they would have some additional fees and charges up there. We have not made and official recommendation as to any fees and charges up there. The last thing that I was aware of, is that the BCC voted not to have any fees and charges up there until maybe we had some facilities there. Some of the amenities that everyone was talking about. We have them now. So they should address that concern shortly, or sometime. " Mr. Gil Mueller, "Maybe that's something that you could relay on to Murdo at least from this Board Member. An inquiry as to when they're going to appear before the County Commissioners and ask how they want that situation handled up there, and when they're going to start charging fees. This I think should be done before we get into a general discussion on User Fees, I think. " K. Immokalee Park Bathrooms: Mr. Gary Franco, "They've been completed. That may be an item that we need to take off. An item that we may need to add is the IMCP Amphitheater renovations. I think most people will be happy to know that is finally going out for bid. We should have a response roughly in a month, and award of contract in a month. I would anticipate construction to start out there in roughly two months. " Ms. Cherryle Thomas, "When the Amphitheater is completed, they you'll work on the Handicapped ramps. " Mr. Gary Franco, "Yes. We have looked at some deigns. We're trying to put either an asphalt walk in there, or a concrete walk. " Mr. Gil Mueller requested a revamping of the monthly agenda. 9 L. Collier County Racquet Club: Mr. Gary Franco, "That is proceeding as per schedule. Mr. Mueller may know more about it than I do. " Mr. Gil Mueller, "I talked to Tom Donnegan about a week ago and he said that the Company that the BCC had awarded the contract to had been absorbed by a larger company and it was going to be necessary to rewrite the contract. The BCC would have to give their approval . Basically nothing had changed. I asked him whether he felt this would put the thing on hold for awhile or whether other things could be accomplished such as going through the Risk Management Dept. and the Legal Dept. He said that he didn't think that it would delay it. But other than that, I don't know. It's been delayed four times already. So, it wouldn't surprise me if it were delayed again." Mr. Gary Franco, "The latest information that I have is that document is in the hands of the County Attorney and they are reviewing it right now. I know there was a title change. I will call Tom Donnegan tomorrow and find out what's going on." M. Veterans Community Park Sign Change: Mr. Gary Franco, "This is an item that we may want to take off. We have solicited some vendors to change those signs to say Veterans Community Park. It's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500 to accomplish that. We have already written a requisition and awarded the refurbishing of those signs to a vendor. It should happen very shortly. " Ms. Geneva Till , "We have to do that, I think the Veterans were going to do that. " Mr. Gary Franco, "We were going to do that. Whether we get reimbursed by the Veterans, I 'm not aware of that. I know the park has been changed, but the maintenance of that facility is to be left up to us. So, it's our sign and we have the sign. They're going to do some other types of things within the park about some monuments and some things like that, so I think that's where the brunt of their money is going to go. " Mr. Gil Mueller and Ms. Cherryle Thomas agreed to eliminate that from the agenda. N. Internal Audit Update: Mr. Gary Franco, "We have been audited by the County itself by Carmen Fatica from the Finance Department. Periodically they come in and look at our procedures and make sure we're doing everything according to Finance procedures. We came away very good. There are some things. But most of the items have to do with how we take receipts, giving receipts to our customers, matching "Z" Reports with the total amounts, and verifying what the Concessionaires owe us for any given month. Most of the things are again, back to the fee resolutions and setting the fees and those type of situations. Again, that' s all encompassing user fees. " Mr. Gil Mueller reminded us that the Productivity study was very strong in that regard. Mr. Gary Franco commented that the Productivity study was very strong in setting fees and charges that are consistent. Mr. Gil Mueller, "So obviously this gentleman feels the same way, and I think it's something we should spend some time on. " It was agreed that the PARAB Members would take the memo home with them to come back next 10 meeting to discuss this further. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested that this subject be put on the May, 1992 PARAB Agenda. Cool Concession Inc. : Ms. Geneva Till asked if the Marco Concessionaire is back on line. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that we reduced his payment and then actually he didn't receive that reduction because it was sitting in the County Attorney's office for umpteen months. So, as a result in February it finally came to a head and then they had to make it retroactive, going all the way back to 1991 and give him a lump sum settlement. Mr. Gary Franco commented that the total amount was somewhere in the neighborhood of $2700 and his check will be ready today at 4:00 p.m. It has been quite a long time. As of February 1st he was back on the original schedule of full payment. Reports/Updates for Next Month's PARAB Agenda: PARAB agreed to remove Soccer Fields and Registry Resort Proposal from the Reports/Updates list until the completion of them. Then after next month Internal Audit Update will go off. The items that they would like put on the Reports/Updates list for may will be: Safe Swimming Area at Tigertail Beach, Program Priorities, User Fees (as item A) , Registration Forms - Hold Harmless Agreement, Picnic Tables at Immokalee Park, Reorganization of Park & Recreation Positions, and Immokalee Park Amphitheater Renovations, and Internal Audit Update. VII. New Business: A. Leisure Line Brochure: Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that she enjoyed reading the Leisure Line Brochure, and that it was very nice. B. Next Month's Meeting: PARAB agreed to hold next month's meeting at the Frank E. Mackle Jr. Community Park on Marco Island. That will be on May 27, 1992 at 2:00 p.m. C. Dogs in the Park: Mr. Gil Mueller, "There seems to be a group of people on Marco that are insisting that they be allowed to use the parks as a place for their dogs. " He also commented that he brought this up because it could proliferate to other parks. They've been talking to the Commissioners and he feels that they will appear before the Commissioners. This arose at the Plumber Park, which is a park on Barfield. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he feels that this would be a good time to let the BCC know how PARAB feels about it. Mr. Gary Franco, "Under current ordinances domesticated animals in the park is a prohibited act. However, they could petition the 11 Commission and get the ordinance amended. That may have some devastating effects on our park system if that would happen." D. IMCP Complaints: Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that three ladies called here and also took it to two Commissioners. They live in by Big Cypress School . They were suggesting that there's nothing park-wise over in that area. They were saying that their Civic organization has gotten together, and would be favorable of paying an extra tax or tax set aside so they can get some Park and Recreational things in that area. Staff has talked to some people concerning some play structures to be placed in that area. We have tentatively put in some $50,000 in next year's budget under an expanded request to go onto that site. Tom 011iff has approved it, however it has to still go through the remainder of the budget process. Ms. Cherryle Thomas, "Well , they're anticipating coming to one of our meetings as soon as school lets out to discuss this with us." Ms. Geneva Till commented that she thinks the cooperation between the schools and the Parks and Recreation Department is just great! Also, the properties all belong to the citizens, so lets expand on that. Ms. Cherryle Thomas requested that staff bring this to their attention if they hear anything further, before these citizens come before PARAB. E. Maria Perez's Petition: Mr. Gary Franco, "We have received a petition from one, namely Maria Perez, concerning the condition of the Immokalee Community Park. I have personally visited the site and as you can see here today, she was seeing that the parks are not as well maintained as the ones in Naples. " Gary Franco feels that the Immokalee Community Park is in good shape. That the her concerns focus mainly on the Softball field or lights or some type of situation that has occurred with some of the people out here. He knows that we've had a faulty timer and it has been replaced. From what staff understands she is supposed to meet the Commissioner Anne Goodnight. If PARAB can give him some more specific information, if it's concerning policy, or maintenance related. Ms. Cherryle Thomas, "I think it's both. Their concerns are (1) sprinkler systems and grass and shrubbery. They way that it is in the other parks are not in the other parks for some reason. (2) The cost that we're charging per person or per team or whatever for softball . (3) When they're half way through their game, the lights go off. " She understands that we have cut staff down because of budgetary reasons, but there is not anybody around for them to call when these certain things happen. So they're out there saying that they don't want to pay the money that they'd rather go to Golden Gate or some other park where there is somebody constantly. It's understood that GGCP's budget was not cut, that there's somebody out there all the time, but Cherryle Godfrey is on limited time. Her days are scheduled out, some days not here, and some days she is. That's because of the budget constraints that we're working on. Somebody made it known to them, they wanted to come to one of these meetings so they stopped Anne 12 Goodnight, so she's trying to give them a logical reason why these things only happen in Immokalee. Mr. Gary Franco commented that staff has received some correspondence from Anne Goodnight. Nothing personal or verbal from her. However, some of these things do happen at some of the other parks. As all are aware, the hiring freeze encompassed several Recreational positions. Cherryle Godfrey has just got a new hire position at the IMCP just this week. Since about 1988 we're tried to upgrade the Immokalee area, and specifically we've done renovations to the Middle School site for the Soccer field, the Immokalee Airport Park, and the picnic tables, etc. So, if there' s some way that staff can find out exactly what their concerns are. That helps. We want to work with these people and try to help them in any way. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that maybe Ms. Thomas can put these people in touch with Gary and let him know specifically what they feel could be improved upon. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that she has put her in touch with Murdo, and she does have a large following. Mr. Gary Franco commented that from what he understands, it' s quite large, that he's received a petition. He came an looked at the facility, and left him at somewhat of a loss. He knows they were saying something about the clay on the fields, but typically we have that at all our field that the clay is too soft or too hard. Each organization likes it a different way. Ms. Cherryle Thomas commented that she thinks the bone of contention is the personnel though. They want somebody they can call immediately to give them an answer. Mr. Gary Franco commented that he can certainly understand that. Mr. Timothy Blackford questioned if we have a general number that could be available to them, like if somebody's not here (i .e. at 9:00 p.m.) . Mr. Gary Franco, "Unfortunately, probably not. We do have Rangers on patrol . But, there's actually no one that they can probably call after hours as in some of the other community parks. Cherryle just moved into the building this week, so she's starting to book the meeting rooms. " F. Funds 001 and 111: Mr. Gil Mueller asked Cherryle Thomas if she knew that the Immokalee parks are under a separate taxing district and that they are not funded by the advelorum or other impact fees etc. from the County as a whole. Mr. Gary Franco commented that when he budgets for things, he budgets under two funds the General fund and the Immokalee MSTD fund and that is the 111 fund. That is the operating fund for Immokalee. Moneys for Immokalee can not be used to support anything in the General Fund and General Fund moneys can not be used to support anything in the Immokalee Fund. So, in essence what they have is their own taxing district. Ms. Geneva Till commented that she is confused about the Golden Gate Community Center. Mr. Gary Franco explained that the people within those four square miles have actually paid for the upkeep that facility in Golden Gate. However, it is still a County facility. Mr. Gary Franco, "The tax moneys in Immokalee go to support specific and parks in Immokalee. " Mr. Gil Mueller, "Naples, Marco Island, Golden Gate and so forth are all within the general fund with the exception of the Golden Gate Community Center which is a separate taxing district. " Mr. Gary 13 Franco, "Right. Just for the Center itself." Mr. Gary Franco commented that he will get more specifics on this and report back on the question of the taxing districts, and the Big Cypress district idea. VIII. Adjournment: Gil Mueller motioned to adjourn the meeting at 3:45 p.m. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the motion passed unanimously with a 4-0 vote. GF:rtd:004360 28-Apr-1992 Tue 10: 14 14