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Minutes 11/27/1991 R Parks & Recreation Advisory Board ( PARAB ) Minutes November 27 , 1991 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office Naples, Florida Wednesday, November 27, 1991 PRESENT: Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman Mr. Gil Mueller, Vice Chairman Ms. Geneva Till (arrived a few minutes late) Mr. William Clendenon ABSENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas I. CALL TO ORDER: II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The first item of business is the approval of minutes of our Board meeting of Wednesday, October 23, 1991 . I had the opportunity to review those minutes. Have other Board Members reviewed them as well? Do we have a motion for approval or any comments? Mr. William Clendenon motioned to approve the minutes the meeting of Wednesday, October 23, 1991 . Mr. Gil Meuller seconded the motion. With no further discussion on the motion, the motion passed unanimously with a 3-0 IV. REQUESTS FOR DISCUSSION - SPECIFIC UPDATE ITEMS: Chairman Kim Kobza requested to discuss the Conklin Point parcel later in the meeting. Mr. William Clendenon requested an update on whether PARAB will discuss parking fees. Chairman Kim Kobza: After the last monthly meeting, it was my responsibility to get together with the County Manager to establish meeting dates on the User Fees. The next Tuesday after our Wednesday meeting, I had an opportunity to meet with Commissioner Volpe, who is a proponent of the Committee to review the fees. Commissioner Volpe asked that we he be allowed the prerogative to put the issue on the County Board Agenda, and to have them give us specific direction on what they wanted us to consider exactly. What set of issues. Also, for the purpose of providing additional visibility to the public, so that our public hearings would be well attended. Mr. Gil Mueller requested an update on the Parks and Recreation Registration Application. Mr. Murdo Smith was supposed to discuss this 1 with Mr. Weigel of the County Attorneys Office. He wanted to know if staff has ever heard back from them on that. Mr. Murdo Smith, apologized that, that is something that slipped his mind, and he has not yet sent it up there to him. Mr. Mueller requested that Murdo please do that, and have them review it, because he commented it as being borderline absurd. V. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS: News Business/Presentations and applicants for the PARAB Positions. First of all , I 'd like to welcome the gentleman that are here for the interviews on the PARAB Applications. A. APPLICANTS FOR PARAB POSITIONS: MR. MURDO SMITH: Dr. Worster has called, and said that he would like to withdraw his application for the position. He is in District II . He decided that he could not spend enough time to the Board and thought that maybe at a later date he'd like to apply again. The applicants are as follows. Mr. Kim Patrick Kobza, Mr. William D. Clendenon, Ms. Geneva Till , Mr. Sullivan, and Mr. Blackford. Mr. Kobza and Mr. Blackford were applying for the District II position, Ms. Till and Mr. Sullivan were applying for the District III position, and Mr. Clendenon was applying for the Distict IV position. Commissioner Volpe represents District II, Commissioner Hasse represents District III, and Commissioner Saunders represents District IV. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Generally what we have done in the past, is just had somewhat informal interviews, and then we make our recommendations to the BCC and they do whatever they want, in terms of the appointment. So having said that, perhaps we can begin with District III, Mr. Sullivan. Maybe we can begin with you telling us a little bit about yourself, your background, and your interests in the Board, and then I 'll ask the Board members for any questions that they might have. Applicants for positions were interviewed by the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, and recommended the following individuals: District 3 -- Geneva Till District 4 -- Mr. Clendenon District 2 -- Mr. Kobza B. ARTS & CRAFT SUPPLIES BID SUMMARY: MR. MURDO SMITH: This is a bid that was placed out, in October 25, 1991. The opening date was November 13, 1991 . This is for Arts and Crafts Supplies for use in all of our County Parks and Recreation Programs. Invitations to be were sent to 16 vendors, and we received five responses. Basically, what it did, is we outlined approximate dollar amount in types of percentages that these companies would give us off their catalogue list prices. What we'd like to do, is go with three companies. Triarco gave us 20% off their catalogue price, S&S Arts & Crafts gave us 15% off, and Dick Blick gave us 10% off their catalogue prices. These are different types of Arts and Crafts Supplies. MS. GENEVA TILL: I move that we accept these, let them go ahead and order 2 • from these three companies. (: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: We have a motion made by Mrs. Till to recommend authorization to approve bid number 91-1802. Is there a second to the motion? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I ' ll second. That motion passed unanimously. VI. REPORTS/UPDATES: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The items that we said we wanted expanded discussion on, I 'd like to cover first. First the Conklin Point Boat Ramp situation. H. CONKLIN POINT BOAT RAMP: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: There was approval yesterday, with Westinghouse and there was an implication in that approval that there was going to be a payment to the County of some kind, of $132,000 plus some other moneys on construction. So, I have three questions. (1) Has there in fact been an agreement reached with Westinghouse on compensation for moving the access point toward the Conklin Boat Ramp site? MR. MURDO SMITH: To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the access point with Westinghouse. (: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: (2) Secondly, is there any change in site plan that we currently have drawn for Conklin Point? Which we recommended to the BCC. MR. MURDO SMITH: No change has been made in the existing Master Plan. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: (3) To what extent, if any, is the Conklin Point project being held up by negotiation with Westinghouse? MR. MURDO SMITH: I don't know the answer to that question. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Could we be advised at the next Board meeting as to what the answer to those three questions might be. Because, the thing I 'm a little concerned about, is those are Parks related issues that we've spent a fair amount of time on, and to the extent that there's and agreement with Westinghouse on the Conklin Point site which impacts the timing or Site Plan of the boat ramp project. I think as a Board, we should be aware of it. E. VANDERBILT BEACH ACCESSES & PARKING: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The second item we wanted expanded discussion on, is the Vanderbilt Beach turnaround. Where does that all sit? What do we need to do, to get that thing moving? 3 MR. MURDO SMITH: The process is under way, Commissioner Volpe's office called me last week and asked for a copy of the plan, so he could review it. The County Attorney has said that we could use Regional Park Impact Fees to improve that facility. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. So you don't need any further recommendation from the Parks Board? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. I think that it' s gone pretty far. As soon as we get the OK to go ahead, I 'm going to get with Capital Projects to get and Engineer to design it and proceed with it. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Will that require any further action on our part, or will it require County Board action to authorize the bid for instance? MR. MURDO SMITH: It may have to come back to this board for the Bid approval . A. BONITA BEACH PARK: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I 've read in the newspaper that Chairman Goodnight met with Lee County Commissioner Ray Judah. Can you tell us where that stands currently. There apparently was some holdup in finalization of the Contract. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. The finalization seems to be in the sewer hookup and in the entrance to both parks. As you were aware, there was an agreement with the Lely Development regarding a secondary entrance into the Park, that an easement would be waived or turned back to Lely. That' s what they're discussing with Lely. MR. GIL MUELLER: Is this in conjunction with Dr. Eisenbud' s comments? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: Is the third parking lot going in then, Murdo. MR. MURDO SMITH: At the Preserve, we have currently budgeted and bid for the Bath House. The third parking lot, the Dune Restoration, and the Boardwalks linking all the existing boardwalks, should be going out for bid this year also. That has been budgeted this year and is coming out of impact fees to do that work also. MR. GIL MUELLER: When do you think that Bath House might be completed? MR. MURDO SMITH: The construction time is 90 days. We're looking at possibly starting mid-January, 1992. 4 B. TIGERTAIL VEGETATION: MR. MURDO SMITH: Since the last meeting, we've received permission from the DER to remove the vegetation at the beach. This was accomplished, I believe, last Wednesday or Thursday. We mowed the area, and we had it disked and raked up. The contractor is still there now, and he is in the process of doing some final raking to remove the vegetation. So, we have a beach of approximately 400 feet across now. It looks good! We've had a lot of very positive comments, and people seem to like what is happening down there. MR. GIL MUELLER: I think we've finally overcome the problems that existed between DER, which might have been quoted incidentally a misunderstanding between he and the County as far as this mitigation actually consisted of, and perhaps even the lack of cooperation on the part of the Contractor that was supposed to complete the work. Which is still not complete as I understand it. And, other existing circumstances. I think Tigertail looks great now finally! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: One related question. Not to get too deep into it. Are our agreements with our Concessionaires down there now kicking in for the full rate? MR. MURDO SMITH: Not yet. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: As I remember it, the predicate for the reduction in the Concessionaire Fees was, the fact that Tigertail wasn't raked, and then attendance was down. So, we were going to give them time to have the (.7 beach restored, and at that point, then our rates were going to go back up. MR. MURDO SMITH: Our rates technically have never gone down. The BCC has not acted upon their request. The Concessionaires technically have not received their reduction that they had asked for, and this board approved back in September or August. That request has not gone before the Board of County Commissioners as yet. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: At this point, they should be back to the full payment. MR. MURDO SMITH: Not quite. Because, when we were negotiating the amount of reduction, it was negotiated that we would go down after the raking was complete and take a look at the conditions and just because the vegetation, has been removed, there's still some discoloration, and some debris. It takes a little time to get it off. 80% of it is about gone, but I 'm looking for maybe another month or so we'll have to look at the beach again. MR. GIL MUELLER: When did we recommend to the BCC that they reduce the Concessionaire' s Fee? Was that in August? MR. MURDO SMITH: I believe so. MR. GIL MUELLER: Are you saying that they have not done that yet? 5 MR. MURDO SMITH: No sir. MR. GIL MUELLER: Why in the world would they not have done that yet? What is holding them up? MR. MURDO SMITH: We have not received the legal review from the County Attorney' s Office. MR. GIL MUELLER: As to whether they can do it? MR. MURDO SMITH: The approval of it. MR. GIL MUELLER: So, in the mean time this man has been paying the full Fee? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: It seems as though now the tail is catching up the head of the horse here, because now the beach is clear. If they approve it, they've got to go back and give him some sort of allowance. MR. MURDO SMITH: I think personally, you approved it, and we should go back and give him some type of retroactive back to October 1 or August 1, whenever he wanted. Up until the time when we decide when the beach is cleared. I think that' s the understanding. MR. GIL MUELLER: I was under the understanding that he was paying the Qlesser fee for the last couple of months. MR. MURDO SMITH: No. The County Attorney and our Department told him that we thought that he should pay the full fee until such time the BCC approved the reduction. MR. GIL MUELLER: . . . is one of the best Concessionaires the Parks and Recreation Department has ever had. The man has invested thousands and thousands of dollars in that Concession, which is County property in fact. They are hard working people, and I think we should keep our word to them. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. I think that Cool Concessions Inc. , I don't know if many of you have gone down there lately and seen it, but they've put a new deck around there and they've done some work around the trailer, and it looks very attractive. I think they've done a wonderful job. I just wish them all the success in the world down there. They've been very conscientious. C. 951 BOAT RAMP PARKING: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that kind of a dormant situation, or what? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. It's basically at the same point as last meeting. We had an Engineer go there and look at how many parking spaces we could put in. We're supposed to get a cost estimate back from those Engineers as to what it would cost to add some parking and so forth and how much their fee would be to do that. 6 MR. GIL MUELLER: Who are the Engineers Murdo? MR. MURDO SMITH: It'll probably be Johnson & Johnson? MR. GIL MUELLER: So we're waiting for word from the Engineers? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: The Engineer approach the State? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. We'll approach the State. They are going to give us a cost estimate on what it would be to construct the parking and how long it would take. MR. GIL MUELLER: Do you think we'll have that by the season after this one? MR. MURDO SMITH: I think you're going to get involved into such heavy permitting that it's going to take two years to build it. I think that's probably how long it will be. Obtaining the permits to do it will be the biggest problem that we'll have there. Not that they can't be obtained, and I 'm sure they will be, it' s just going to be a long process obtaining those permits. MR. GIL MUELLER: Once whatever body with the State OK's this thing, then there are permits that have to be acquired from other Divisions or Departments of the State? MR. MURDO SMITH: Right! It would be different ones. You would have the DER, and DNR. It would take some time permitting. MR. GIL MUELLER: So we're waiting for the Engineers at this point? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. D. POOLS: MR. MURDO SMITH: 306 Projects right now are on hold. They are the Community Park Projects. It' s because of the Bluebill property not being sold. That' s kind of caused a little bit of a cash flow problem in the Community Park fund. However, that should be corrected soon. Then we'll move on. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: How's that? MR. MURDO SMITH: Well they're looking at ways to transfer money and so forth into that account to keep going. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Not necessarily through the sale of the Bluebill property? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. Not necessarily! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Now that was in our current budget year, the pool for 7 9 the Golden Gate site? MR. MURDO SMITH: It still is. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Now, with your design. How far have you gotten in your design for the site? MR. MURDO SMITH: 20% to 30% CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that ongoing? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is Wilson Miller undertaking the design work? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: They're doing that within the scope of their general fee? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Do we do those types of projects on time and material basis. MR. MURDO SMITH: No. That was a contract that was signed a couple of years ago for those type of facilities in each Community park. ® CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there a cap on what their design fees are for the pool? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: What's the cap on the design fees? MR. MURDO SMITH: I wouldn't know off hand. I would have to get back with you on that. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So can we look forward to the project getting constructed in this year or at least beginning? MR. MURDO SMITH: Hopefully, yes. Beginning construction. I don't believe it could have been completed this budget year anyway, because of the bidding requirements and so forth. However, I do believe that we will start construction this year, on the pool . CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Any other questions on the pool thing? F. COMMUNITY CENTERS: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Are we getting near completion on our three Community Centers? 8 MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes At North Naples we're supposed to have a walk-through early in December. The first or second week. That will be substantial completion. East Naples is approximately about a week behind. Immokalee is scheduled for the week of the 18th of December. So, basically all the walk-throughs are going to be done in the middle of December for substantial completion. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: After the walk-throughs. Where is that in time to the CO on those buildings? MR. MURDO SMITH: Technically, at that point you can use the building, if you have substantial completion. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Now once we have completion, for instance, on North Naples. Do we have a budget to put staff in that facility? MR. MURDO SMITH: It is in the budget, yes, but the Assistant Park Program Supervisor positions are still frozen at the present time. What we usually do, is at each facility we have a Park Program Supervisor, an Assistant Park Program Supervisor, and a Community Center Janitor/Aide. At the present time, the Community Center Janitor is in the County Manager' s Office for review to post that position to go out for hiring. The Assistant is still frozen under the County' s hiring freeze. We have a Park Program Supervisor at each site, except for Frank E. Mackle Jr. Community Park. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So, I guess my question is this. Will we be able to open the facility upon the final completion? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. We will open the facility. The hours may be reduced from what they would normally be, but they will be opened. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So, for instance, could we use it for Neighborhood Association meetings in North Collier County? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: How much capacity will it have? MR. MURDO SMITH: The big room, you're probably looking at about 300 people. It' s basically the same as what Frank E. Mackle Jr. Community Center. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is this true of both the other facilities as well? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. They are identical . CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: But, in terms of the staffing, would you be able to staff the other two facilities? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. I 'm not going to say we're going to staff them completely. We will be able to open them up with the staff that we currently have, and the hours may be reduced, but we will open them at some point. 9 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Will PARAB be able to have it's January meeting in '" the North Naples facility? MR. MURDO SMITH: I believe we should be able to. I don't think that is out of the question. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Any other questions on the Community Centers at all? G. FRANK E. MACKLE JR. PARK BUILDING EXPANSION: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that done? MR. MURDO SMITH: We visited there Tuesday and met with the Contractor, and he has several little items to finish. He said that within a week they would be done. I mean they were just things like he had to replace the lighting grids that he had taken to see if he could get another price. There was not real construction he had to do. Just, cleaning some paint and so forth. Painting and caulking. A little clean-up. MR. GIL MUELLER: I should confess to you Murdo, because you're going to hear about it sooner or later. As you know, the fact that the Contractor failed to complete the punch list at Mackle Park over a period of three months. I had talked to Bill Flynn about it several times, and he was trying his best without success. I talked to Heyward Boyce about it, and found that they were holding $15,000. That seemed peculiar to me. I couldn't understand that, because I get involved in that type of thing on Marco, and if somebody holds $15,000 from me, I 'd want to know why. So, I went over to see Joe Lynch and told him about this and he was very surprised the job wasn't completed. He was extremely surprised that $15,000 was being held out. Believe me, the telephone pretty near burned up in his hand while I was there. He was really upset! He has the Construction foreman, and the Vise President, and the whole bunch of them lined up in about ten minutes. Subsequently, they got down there and finished up. So, I think it was just a matter of misunderstanding and maybe the right people weren't being corresponded with. But, it' s done now! I didn't want you to hear that through the "Grapevine" . MR. MURDO SMITH: OK. Well , thank you for your call . MR. GIL MUELLER: Whatever it takes. You'll take the Bull by the Horns every time. That' s right! H. CONKLIN POINT BOAT RAMP: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that on hold, pending the Westinghouse negotiations? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. Capital Projects is basically handling that project for us. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: We need to know where that all stands. 10 MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. I 'll get back to you on that. I. LISTING OF DONATED PROPERTY: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I 'm going to assume that we still haven't made any progress. What' s it going to take to get something done on that? MR. MURDO SMITH: Write another letter. That' s the only thing. . . They're short staffed like everyone else, and they've got a lot of things to do, and I 'll try them again and see what we can do. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. J. IMMOKALEE CHILD CARE CENTER: MR. MURDO SMITH: I think that's almost a dead issue now. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Let's take that off the Report/Update list. I think that was completed construction, right? MR. MURDO SMITH: Well , that was the Child Care that wanted to come in and use our South Immokalee Park. But there was a zoning question. I think at the last meeting, Mrs. Thomas said that they have gone elsewhere or something like that. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. I 'm with you on that. K. CLAM PASS PARK: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that the Utilities? MR. MURDO SMITH: The Utilities are out for bid now. I think that was put on after the last meeting when the Registry came here to make their recommendation. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. The Utilities project though is out for bid, and when do you expect the Utilities to go forward? MR. MURDO SMITH: I don't know. I 'd have to get with Wilson Miller to see how long the start up will be. Hopefully they'll start up by the first of the year or at least in December at the earliest. VII. NEW BUSINESS: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Are there any other questions or items that other Board Members would like to bring up, or any discussion that you would like to have on any issues? Mr. Clendenon? Mrs. Till? Mr. Mueller? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I 'll make a motion that we adjourn. 11 A. SOCCER FIELDS: MR. GIL MUELLER: Before we adjourn. In view of the Commissioners comments at their BCC meeting two weeks ago concerning the Nice Wonder Baseball Issue. They made a commitment to a number of people that they would try and find additional soccer fields. I was wondering whether it wouldn't be a good idea for us to either place that on the Agenda, or discuss it at this meeting and determine whether or not it's necessary, what' s your feeling is on it Murdo. Maybe you've made inroads into this already. I don't know. Are the claims of these people justified? Are there inadequate soccer fields? Are we looking for more? MR. MURDO SMITH: I think that the Soccer group is very justified in their request. As you know, they've come before this Board several times in the past requesting soccer fields to be built. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Did I just hear about the Vineyards giving or allowing soccer fields on their property? MR. MURDO SMITH: We have a Community Park Property donated by the Vineyards in the Vineyards, directly south of the Vineyards elementary School . We got into a cooperative agreement with the School Board for an Inter-local agreement where they can use our facilities, we can use theirs. At the present time, they're looking at the possibility constructing the fields at the Vineyards. There is enough acreage there that would do it. If you go to Pine Ridge on a Saturday morning you will see 1500 kids playing there. From what I understand, there's going to be some expansion done, and they're going to be losing their fields. So, they're going to have to have somewhere to play. MR. GIL MUELLER: Where are the different soccer fields? There' s one in Pine Ridge, in North Naples, and there' s one in Immokalee? MR. MURDO SMITH: We have a soccer field, at every community park. East Naples, North Naples, Mackle, and here. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: At Seagate, is there a soccer field? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. Seagate is not big enough for a soccer field. You could put a little one in the outfield. We have five soccer fields total , right now. There' s about 2,000 plus users. The problem that they have with the five fields is that they are not in a centralized location where they can participate in the games during Saturdays. It's tough for the Optimist Soccer League because they've got so many families involved that to have them travel from North Naples to Marco and so forth. When both kids are playing two different games. One' s one hour, one of them's the next hour. It's hard for them to do that. That' s why they've always wanted the centralized location. Also there's a lot of Tournaments that could be drawn to this community, it you have a centralized soccer facility. MR. GIL MUELLER: So what's the solution to this? To develop a central soccer area? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. 12 MR. GIL MUELLER: In addition to the five existing fields. Wouldn't there be some overkill there, if you have a central plus five satellite fields? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. Because we have programs going on at the same time as what the Optimists and everybody else. So it would be a scheduling problem to get into using these facilities that we have. MR. GIL MUELLER: Where would you put the facilities? You have to have a lot of land for that. MR. MURDO SMITH: That's why we're thinking about possibly putting them at the Vineyards. That's about the only large piece of land that we have at the present time. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Is that big enough for five fields? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. Our portion is approximately 35 acres in size. MR. GIL MUELLER: So that would be the solution to the problem then. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. If that' s where the Board decides that they want to put them. MS. GENEVA TILL: Are we doing anything about getting property for that? What's being done? MR. MURDO SMITH: The only thing that I have been in discussion with, right now, is about the Vineyards. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I think what we need to do, if the Board is willing to go along, is let' s put that on our Report/Update List. So that we on an ongoing basis review this. MR. GIL MUELLER: Yes. That' s a good idea. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I agree with you. It' s a central issue. Let' s get it on our Report/Update List and we'll keep track of the progress of that. Do we have a motion to do that? MR. GIL MUELLER: I 'll make a motion that we put the issue of the Soccer fields on our next Agenda for discussion. MS. GENEVA TILL: I 'll second that. There being no further discussion, so unanimously the next agenda, we'll include the Soccer fields issue. B. DECEMBER PARAB MEETING: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: A couple of housekeeping items. One is, the next meeting falls on December 25, Christmas Day. Should we have it the Wednesday before, on the 18th or not. 13 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Motion by Mr. Clendenon that we cancel our December meeting of PARAB, and our next regularly scheduled meeting will be in January. MS. GENEVA TILL: I 'll second that motion. So, that motion passed unanimously. C. SNOWFEST: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mrs. Donner, did you want to make a two minute presentation on Snowfest for us? MS. MARY ELLEN DONNER: Snowfest is here, and each of you have in your packets a parking pass, as well as an invitation to attend. It will make our sixth annual , and we are expecting a bigger and better turnout than last year. That parking pass will actually get you into VIP parking here. You have to show it to the policeman at the corner otherwise he will probably not let you in. MR. GIL MUELLER: How many of those have you issued, Mary Ellen? MS. MARY ELLEN DONNER: Probably 20 at this point. We're going to give out some to our Volunteers and some to the press as well . So, all parking inside the park is just going to be VIP. Otherwise, parking will be down at the Berkshire Commons. So, if you can make it, it's Saturday, December ® 7, at 5:00 p.m. It will go through 8:00 p.m. There will be all kinds of things, and of course we will give you a complementary T-shirt regardless. VIII. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. William Clendenon Motioned to Adjourn. Mrs. Geneva Till seconded the motion. With no further discussion, the motion passed unanimously, 4-0. MS:rtd:003903 i 0 1 14 1 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES (Long Version) PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office Naples, Florida Wednesday, November 27, 1991 PRESENT: Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman Mr. Gil Mueller, Vice Chairman Ms. Geneva Till (arrived a few minutes late) Mr. William Clendenon ABSENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas I. CALL TO ORDER: II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The first item of business is the approval of minutes of our Board meeting of Wednesday, October 23, 1991. I had the opportunity to review those minutes. Have other Board Members reviewed them as well? Do we have a motion for approval or any comments? Mr. William Clendenon motioned to approve the minutes the meeting of Wednesday, October 23, 1991 . Mr. Gil Meuller seconded the motion. With no further discussion on the motion, the motion passed unanimously with a 3-0 IV. REQUESTS FOR DISCUSSION - SPECIFIC UPDATE ITEMS: Chairman Kim Kobza requested to discuss the Conklin Point parcel later in the meeting. He commented that he saw in the Newspaper that the agreement was made with Westinghouse, and he wanted to be informed as to what that agreement is, how it was made, and what the terms are, how that will impact Conklin Point. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that he wasn' t sure that he'd have all the answers to his questions on that subject. Also, Chairman Kim Kobza requested to discuss the Vanderbilt Beach turnaround area, and where that stands, if there's anything we can do to get that project going forward. Mr. William Clendenon requested an update on whether PARAB will discuss parking fees. Chairman Kim Kobza: After the last monthly meeting, it was my responsibility to get together with Murdo and/or Martha Skinner and/or the County Manager to establish meeting dates on the User Fees. The next Tuesday after our Wednesday meeting, I had an opportunity to meet with Commissioner Volpe of the County Commission, who is a proponent of the Committee to review the fees. Commissioner Volpe asked that we he be 1 allowed the prerogative to put the issue on the County Board Agenda, and to have them give us specific direction on what they wanted us to consider exactly. What set of issues. Also, for the purpose too, of providing additional visibility to the public, so that our public hearings would be well attended. Commissioner Volpe was supposed to have done that two weeks ago. So, I called him. At any rate, Gil had called me yesterday, and asked the same question. I got in touch with of Commissioner Volpe this morning, reminded him of the comment, and he promised me again that he was going to do everything he can to get it on this next Tuesday's Commission Agenda. Then, they will give us, as a Board, direction as to what exactly they would like to have us do in terms of the User Fee issue. So, that was the sequence of events, and being that Commissioner Volpe started that public discussion, at least I thought it would probably be wise for us to at least give him that, and they will come back to us describing for us exactly what set of issues they'd like to have. . . It could be as narrow as the Beach User Fees, or it can be as broad as the User Fees in all the Parks, but it could encompass quite a bit of different types of issues. Also there was concern as to how it might impact the discussions taking place between the City and the County on the permit issue. MR. GIL MUELLER: What I'm concerned about, Kim, is that sometimes when these things drag on to the extent that this has, Commissioners have in the past, or on occasion gone ahead and made the decisions and then anything we discuss is after the fact. I'm afraid that might be a possibility in this case. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Gil, right now I can tell you that they are treating our standing recommendations that we made on this issue, a year ago last summer. But, they're treating that as a standing recommendation at this point. A number of things have changed since then, including the Productivity Report, including our cost analysis, and so on. But at any rate, I would like the Board to know that I'm doing everything I can to try to push it forward. Mrs. Till just arrived. Chairman Kobza updated her on the discussions. Mr. Murdo Smith requested to add the Bid Tabulation of Arts and Crafts Supplies to the Agenda for PARAB's review. There was no objection from any of the PARAB members to doing that, and it was decided that would be discussed as the first item before getting to the Report/Update list. Mr. Gil Mueller requested an update on the Parks and Recreation Registration Application. Mr. Murdo Smith was supposed to discuss this with Mr. Weigel of the County Attorneys Office. He wanted to know if staff has ever heard back from them on that. Mr. Murdo Smith, apologized that, that is something that slipped his mind, and he has not yet sent it up there to him. Mr. Mueller requested that Murdo please do that, and have them review it, because he commented it as being borderline absurd. 2 V. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Let's go on to our next Agenda item, which is the News Business/Presentations and applicants for the PARAB Positions. First of all, I'd like to welcome the gentleman that are here for the interviews on the PARAB Applications. A. APPLICANTS FOR PARAB POSITIONS: MR. MURDO SMITH: Dr. Worster has called, and said that he would like to withdraw his application for the position. He is in District II. He decided that he could not spend enough time to the Board and thought that maybe at a later date he'd like to apply again. The applicants were as follows. Mr. Kim Patrick Kobza, Mr. William D. Clendenon, Ms. Geneva Till, Mr. Sullivan, and Mr. Blackford. Mr. Kobza and Mr. Blackford were applying for the District II position, Ms. Till and Mr. Sullivan were applying for the District III position, and Mr. Clendenon was applying for the Distict IV position. Commissioner Volpe represents District II, Commissioner Hasse represents District III, and Commissioner Saunders represents District IV. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Generally what we have done in the past, is just had somewhat informal interviews, and then we make our recommendations to the BCC and they do whatever they want, in terms of the appointment. So having said that, perhaps we can begin with District III, Mr. Sullivan. Maybe we can begin with you telling us a little bit about yourself, your background, and your interests in the Board, and then I'll ask the Board members for any questions that they might have. MR. SULLIVAN: OK. I'm from Boston. I worked directly with the Parks and Recreation Department in Boston for 14 years. I established programs in the Boston area that are still carried on today. We has a reciprocal program that we transport kids to Canada, and brought those kids from Canada down to Boston playing Baseball, which was my prime interest, because I'm a Red Sox fan. We also had another trip that we arranged, and went to Cooperstown. So, we did a lot of traveling. I loved working with youth, and I did it for 14 years. I think in 1968, I was the recipient of the Service to Youth Award that is given out by the Boston Parks and Recreation Department. I haven' t done much lately, except live down here in Naples. I haven' t worked in the Parks since I've been here, two years. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Mr. Clendenon, would you have any questions of Mr. Sullivan? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: No. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mrs. Till? MS. GENEVA TILL: The time involved. Do you have enough time? We meet once a month, and it usually runs into the whole afternoon. Would that be a problem for you at all? MR. SULLIVAN: Not at all. I have time. 3 MS. GENEVA TILL: OK CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mr. Mueller? MR. GIL MUELLER: You are employed, Mr. Sullivan? MR. SULLIVAN: Yes sir. MR. GIL MUELLER: I think what Mrs. Till said is very important. I think a good record of attendance is extremely important, because if you miss a month, I have found, it's difficult to know what's going on. MR. SULLIVAN: No. I have the time. I'm done now. My day is over. MR. GIL MUELLER: Oh. I see. Would it be improper for me to ask what your vocation is? Are you retired? MR. SULLIVAN: No. I'm not. My wife wishes I was, but I'm not. I guess my vocation is to eventually become retired. But, I love Naples, and I'd like to get back into the Parks and Recreation. MR. GIL MUELLER: Maybe you were indirectly avoiding answering my question, and I would understand that, but I asked you what your vocation was. What you do for a living. If you prefer not to tell me, I understand, and just say "I don' t want to answer" . MR. SULLIVAN: I work with the handicapped. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: How long have you been a resident? MR. SULLIVAN: A full time resident since July two years ago. MR. GIL MUELLER: I don' t have any further questions. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mr. Sullivan, what exactly did you do with the Massachusetts Parks and Recreation Department? MR. SULLIVAN: Well, what we did do is. . . Boston has so many boroughs. . . Dorchester is mine, because it's the largest part of Boston, and I set up a program because. . . I started in '67. The Red Sox were hot that year and there was a lot of Baseball interest. So, I went to the Red Sox, and I talked with some people, and I said "I want to establish a summer league" . In Boston there's nothing for the kids to do all summer long. When school ended, it was over. So, I established a summer league. With the help of the Parks and Recreation Department, then I went to the Red Sox, Mike Cornelius pitcher came down, we used to transport the kids back and forth. We started that in '67, and here it is 24 years later, and it's still running. We encompassed all of Dorchester and eventually we took in Roslendale, and they have an established program out there, Parkway Little League, and we brought them into the fold. So, we took over West Rocks Street, Roslendale, and Dorchester. I'm really happy to say, it's still running. It's a great program! 4 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Are there things within our Park System that particularly draw your interest, or that you might like to see as changes? MR. SULLIVAN: I'm not capable right now, of dictating any changes unless I was involved in the program. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there any one thing that might have drawn your interest to Parks and Recreation? Is it principally your background? MR. SULLIVAN: My background. But, I'm sports oriented and I was enraptured by the Braves softball team, the success story. It just drew my interest. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: You said you worked with handicapped? What exactly do you do? Do you care for them? MR. SULLIVAN: I make sure they get back and forth to work 17 are at work at the Hospital, 2 at Pizza Hut, 1 at the Ritz, and 1 at. . . I'm trying to remember. . . CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So, you provide them with kind of a structured work program? OK. But, you believe you would have the time to. . . MR. SULLIVAN: I know I have the time. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Because that's a fairly major commitment. There are times. . . Today we have probably the lightest Agenda in time that I can remember. But, often times we have meetings with a number of people here, and it's important that we have all the votes present and all the people present and so on. So you'd be able to fill those time commitments? MR. SULLIVAN: Absolutely. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. We don' t have the benefit of your resume' here. I know you mentioned in your letter that was on file. What's your educational background? Do you have any special background in the Parks area or in related fields of business? MR. SULLIVAN: I was a Teletype, and a typesetter in Boston, and I worked for Western Union for 14 years, and at United Press International for 13 . CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Are there any other questions from the Board Members? MR. GIL MUELLER: I don' t have any further questions Mr. Chairman. MS. GENEVA TILL: Where is this Pier H? That's in East Naples? MR. SULLIVAN: Naples Land Yacht Harbor. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Are there any other questions at all? (no response) OK. Mr. Sullivan, thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to meet with you, and interview, and I appreciate you spending the time and coming down today. So, I think I'd just like to continue the interviews 5 with Mr. Blackford. You can stay, or go, or whatever. MR. SULLIVAN: I just wasn' t sure what you wanted me to do. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Usually what we do, is we conduct the interviews and later in the meeting we'll probably make our recommendations at some later point in time. But, you don' t have to. . . Usually the Interviewees leave, and you know, then we sit down and have our discussion. But, whatever you want to do is fine. It's an open meeting. It's a public meeting. MR. MURDO SMITH: If I might add also, what we usually do, is we submit the recommendations to the Board and then Mrs. Filson, or our Department will inform you of, if you have been selected or if you have not. MR. SULLIVAN: I understand the appointment is in January? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Thank you very much, Mr. Sullivan, we appreciate you coming down. Mr. Blackford, you had heard pretty much what was said. Could you tell us a little bit about yourself? MR. BLACKFORD: Sure! I had moved to Naples in 1985. I have been a resident ever since. I'm married and have one daughter. My wife and I are not expecting another one yet, but we are expecting to have more children in the future. My interest in the Parks. . . My wife and I are both very active in the parks. We play a lot of tennis. I just basically want to get involved because I'm an advocate of Parks and Recreation. I feel like maybe I could do some good. My vocation. . . I'm employed with ADP, which is a nation-wide payroll and tax filing company. We have about 200 clients in Naples, and about 200,000 across the country, and I basically specialize in getting the clients on board with us, and then get them up and running for our services. I was involved in the Big Brother program here in Naples several years ago and they have since unfortunately done away with it. But, I was involved with that, and had a little brother. Any questions? CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mr. Clendenon? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'm curious, this ADP, what kind of data do you process. MR. BLACKFORD: We do payroll for companies. We process payroll and do taxes for companies. For the record, I should probably address the time issue, because it sounds like that's very important to all of you. I have gotten permission from my employer, and my wife, to commit to the meetings, I definitely have the time, and I'm willing to put the time in. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mrs. Till? MS. GENEVA TILL: Well, he answered my question. I was going to answer the same thing. So, it does take us quite a while. Once a month or sometimes twice a month, sometimes more often than that, we meet. 6 MR. BLACKFORD: I'm fortunate enough to have a relatively flexible schedule with my employer. So, I don' t foresee that as being a problem. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mrs. Till, any other questions? MS. GENEVA TILL: No. I'm impressed with that Big Brother program. It is too bad that we don' t have that anymore. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mr. Mueller? MR. GIL MUELLER: Mr. Blackford, are you a member of any civic or professional organizations in Collier County? MR. BLACKFORD: The only thing that I am, is a member through ADP of the Florida Restaurant Association. My company is really the member, and actually, I have not attended any meetings as of yet. We just joined that. But, that would be the only thing. MR. GIL MUELLER: But, you're not involved necessarily with any of the civic groups, local action, or taxpayers, or anything like that, or Professional Organizations (i.e. Board of Realtors)? MR. BLACKFORD: No. MR. GIL MUELLER: OK. Thank you. I have no further questions. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mr. Blackford, where in District II do you live? MR. BLACKFORD: Right off of Pine Ridge Road in the area of Forest Lakes across from Shirley Street back in the Golf course. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: With ADP District Managers, does that take you all over the state traveling, or all over the region traveling? MR. BLACKFORD: No. Just within Naples primarily, and Bonita. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Several years ago, Mindy Moral was covering that territory and then they didn' t have a representative here for quite awhile, because they couldn' t sustain somebody here. MR. BLACKFORD: Right! At that point, we had a representative based out of Miami just driving over a couple days a week. We currently now have three representatives just from Ft. Myers south. So we have grown quite a bit. Actually, we've got about 200 clients now in the Naples area and about another 200 up in Ft. Myers. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: You mentioned you have children. One child? MR. BLACKFORD: One child. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: One on the way? MR. BLACKFORD: Not one on the way. No. We're just planning on having one. 7 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: What draws you to the parks? MR. BLACKFORD: I'm just a sports fanatic, and I enjoy the outdoors, and as I said, my wife and I use the facilities. Mainly this one, actually. We play a lot of tennis here, and occasionally at the park on Immokalee Road. I was just drawn to it for that reason. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Do you have any ideas or feelings or thoughts about ways in which we might improve our parks, or policies that need to be changed? County-wide, but also as it relates to District II? MR. BLACKFORD: I would not have enough information at this point to really say. I just feel like once I got involved, and read the plans, and so forth, then I'd be able to make some good suggestions at that point. You're doing a good job as far as I'm concerned. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Your primary clients. Are those small companies that don' t have their own processors. MR. BLACKFORD: Not necessarily. We work with a lot of small businesses. We have a couple different services. We have one geared towards a smaller business (i.e. under 25 or 30 employees) , then we have another service for very large companies. We have in town quite a few large businesses that we process. Nationwide, we do companies like General Motors. So there's no limit to the type of company that I work with but, primarily in this area, because of the number of small businesses, that tends to be our biggest client base. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there any possibility in your job that you would get relocated at all out of the area? Say in the next two year term, because we had that situation arise with Mr. Steve Ball, who was representing District IV. He sat on the Board for three or four months and then was relocated as a result of his job. That can cause some problems. MR. BLACKFORD: No. If I were to make a move, it would be by my own choice. With ADP, as I mentioned, we used to have one representative here, now we have three. What they do, usually is add people to territories rather than deleting them. So I don' t foresee that happening. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Are you familiar with any of the Neighborhood Associations in District II (i.e. Pine Ridge, or Vanderbilt Beach, Willoughby Acres)? MR. BLACKFORD: No. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: That's one thing that I'd like to at least see in the appointment, is a good dialogue with all the Leadership of those Associations because you can learn a tremendous amount. Number one from all those people, but secondly they're also on top of a lot of the issues that arise with respect to Parks itself. I know they've been very helpful to me in different ways. 8 MR. BLACKFORD: I feel like I have good communication skills, and I would welcome the opportunity to work with any of those Associations. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Well very good. Mr. Blackford, thank you very much for taking the time to come down. MR. BLACKFORD: Thank you very much. Good-by! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: There was a letter missing from your files that I sent to the Board. For some reason you got the cover letter, and you didn' t get the enclosure to it. So, let me provide you with copies of the letter that was enclosed. That needs to become part of the record. I think what I'd like to do, is take these by District. Those were the only submittals, other than the people already on the Board, who can be renewed for a second term (Mrs. Till, Mr. Clendenon) and of course Mr. Kobza's letter was also included in that package. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Let's first take a vote on District number three, which is Commissioner Hasse's District. In that District for our consideration, we have Mrs. Till has re-submitted and we have Mr. Sullivan. Is there any discussion with respect to that appointment? MR. GIL MUELLER: Mrs. Till, can you tell us why you'd like to sit on this Board? Having done so for quite a while, what would make you want to continue? MS. GENEVA TILL: Well, I like working. This is a very professional Board. I have to say it's one of the best I've ever been on. But, I have to say, Mr. Sullivan has a lot of good experience, and it seems to me that he would be, if there's an opening in Parks and Recreation, he'd be the ideal person to be in that. Because he certainly has experience. MR. MURDO SMITH: Right now, we don' t have any openings available. They're all frozen. MS. GENEVA TILL: I would continue. If you all want me to, I will. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'll motion that we re-appoint Mrs. Till. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: We have a motion by Mr. Clendenon a recommendation of re-appointment of Mrs. Till to the Position on the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. Is there a second to that motion? MR. GIL MUELLER: I'll second it. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Seconded by Mr. Mueller. Is there any further discussion? MS. GENEVA TILL: I really what I see happening in Parks and Recreation in Collier County. It's just been a progressive thing, that I've seen over the years. I like the direction that it's going, and that's why I submitted by application two years ago. I guess I still would continue. I like what I see happening in Collier County Parks and Recreation. 9 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I think you've added a real dimension to the Board too. You've put in a lot of time, and you have good perspective, and I think you represent the constituency very well. So, OK. Is there any further discussion on that motion. That motion passed unanimously. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Next, I'd like to vote on the District V opening. (end of Tape 1-A) CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there any discussion on that? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Looks like I get it by default. MR. GIL MUELLER: I think we should go through the formality of asking you this: "After having experienced it for three months, why would you continue?" MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Well, I think that everybody should take their turn in the barrel. I've always believed that you must participate in your local elements. Well, it's a cinch that I'm not going to run for the Commission, or the City County or nothing. I see this as the way to be involved. MS. GENEVA TILL: Well, I appreciate that letter in the paper defending Cour action. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Well, it made me angry, because he was. . . Not that I was trying to advocating the thing on the beach, but the guy was throwing stones at our Board, and that's what really ticked me off. MR. GIL MUELLER: They were unjust accusations. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I would like to see a copy of that. Because, I was very upset by the prior two letters, and I didn' t think that they accurately reflected what we. . . You know, they took issue with the Board more than than the issue. I'd love to see a copy of that. I don' t know how I missed it. Because I usually read them all. Is there any other discussion on Mr. Clendenon? MS. GENEVA TILL: I move that we accept his request to be re-appointed. We need him! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: We have a motion by Mrs. Till for recommendation of re-appointment of Mr. Clendenon. Is there a second to that? MR. GIL MUELLER: I'll second it. With no further discussion, the motion passed unanimously, 4-0. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Next, let's go to District two which is the North Naples District. Let me just, for the benefit of the Board, maybe, describe. . . As I understand it, there's a two term informal limit on 10 service to the Board. Then, we've had a determination apparently from the County Attorney's Office that my first term wasn' t complete. I was just serving the remainder of the first two year term. I served one, completed that, and then a full two year term. So, three years. Apparently the County Attorney has said that constitutes two terms. This is a kind of informal understanding. I don' t think there's a written opinion or anything. I'm just telling you what I've been told, simply. OK. What I've indicated in my letter to the County Board, and to the Parks and Recreation Board is just this. We've made phenomenal progress in the time that I've been on the Board, and it's something that I've really enjoyed a lot. I've been very proud of our ability to reach consensus and develop a position of leadership on a lot of the Parks and Recreation issues. Because it is a very positive experience, and I've had a pleasure of working with a lot of very good people. I say that sincerely. I would hesitate for those reasons to leave the board. I've recognized the term limitation policy. The value of that, is that you have new blood, and new fresh ideas. I have a lot of understanding of that kind of a policy, and I think it's probably a very good policy. Basically, what I've said in my letter, is just this. If the County Board wants me to stay, I'll be very happy to stay. If the County Board feels that the policy is in fact where it needs to act in accordance with the policy. I'm very understanding of that position as well. Either way. So, I think that, as you vote on this recommendation to the County Board, for District II, you ought to keep all those things in mind. It's just whatever you all want to do. But, I think ultimately they're going to make their decision on whatever they feel they need to. QMR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'm really surprised that the County Attorney would say that incomplete term, or a partial term would count as a term. Because, it's been my experience in other organizations where there were a number of terms, that to fill a first term as you did, does not count, and your are just completing your first term. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: First full term. MR. GIL MUELLER: Half way through your first full term? CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: No. This is my first full term. MR. GIL MUELLER: I see. All right! Are there other applicants for the job. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The gentleman that we interviewed. Mr. Blackford is the other applicant. MR. GIL MUELLER: I agree with Mr. Clendenon. I don' t think it should be based necessarily on a specific chronological time factor. I think that if you're willing to do it. If you're capable of doing it. You are a considerable contributor. All of the above applies to Kim. I think you should be allowed to continue. I can recognize the fact that the idea, of give somebody else a chance might be applicable. If somebody else wants to serve, maybe he should have an opportunity to serve. I don' t know. It's a gray area. There's a thin line there. I personally would like very much to see Kim stay. 11 4 MS. GENEVA TILL: I would too. I'm not going to accept that. MR. GIL MUELLER: If I may speak for the other two members of the Board, all three of us have written letters to Mr. Volpe, asking him to retain you so to speak. I'm surprised that they would consider otherwise. Is this something that's going to go before the County Board of Commissioners? CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: When. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I'm not sure when they'll vote. MR. GIL MUELLER: How do you feel about it personally, Kim. Do you think you'd rather go on to bigger and better things? CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: That's not my motivation, necessarily. OK. I feel that we've debated something. We've been able to create something that has been very effective. With the recommendations to the County Board. I think our recommendations are heard very often. MR. GIL MUELLER: That's even more reason to continue as a team! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Yes. But, I don' t have any illusions that anybody else could not necessarily do the job. I think there are very capable, qualified people that have good input and I'd like to make sure all segments of our population are heard. If the Board feels that way, then I want them to have the latitude to be able to make another appointment. I don' t want to problematic. MS. GENEVA TILL: Is that two term limitation something that's stamped in stone? I never really did hear that on other boards that I've been on. MR. MURDO SMITH: Well, that's an Advisory Board Policy, I believe, that's throughout the County. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: When, I was appointed to the last term right at the end of the. . . So, this will be considered as my second term. MR. MURDO SMITH: Technically, he has been recommended for re-appointment by this Board. If he's recommended by the BCC, that would constitute his second term. MR. GIL MUELLER: But he will in effect will only serve three years also. MR. MURDO SMITH: Two years and three or four months. MR. GIL MUELLER: Not the full four year span of time. Somehow I find fault with that. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I very much appreciate your letters, and your support. That means a lot to me. I think that we probably should make a recommendation for the County Board, and I intend to abstain from the 12 recommendation, whatever it is. MR. GIL MUELLER: I will make the motion then, that we very strongly advise the BCC to re-appoint Mr. Kobza on the PARAB Board for another two year term. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'll second the motion. That motion passed 3-0 with one abstention. MR. MURDO SMITH: If the BCC says no to your recommendation, do we advertise again for people, or do we appoint Mr. Blackford to fill the District II? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: That'll be up to the Commissioners. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: At the minimum, they have to know that there was another application. MR. GIL MUELLER: They have to know that there's another application. MS. GENEVA TILL: I want to be very positive about it. I don' t want to leave any doors open. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'd just let it go like that. 47 MR. MURDO SMITH: OK. No problem. We will be let you know when the appointment is up for review by the BCC. B. ARTS & CRAFT SUPPLIES BID SUMMARY: MR. MURDO SMITH: This is a bid that was placed out, back in October. October 25, 1991, was the posting date. The opening date was November 13, 1991 . This is for Arts and Crafts Supplies for use in all of our County Parks and Recreation Programs. Invitations to be were sent to 16 vendors, and we received five responses. Basically, what it did, is we outlined approximate dollar amount in types of percentages that these companies would give us off their catalogue list prices. What we'd like to do, is go with three companies. Triarco gave us 20% off their catalogue price, S&S Arts & Crafts gave us 15% off, and Dick Blick gave us 10% off their catalogue prices. These are different types of Arts and Crafts Supplies. I have the catalogues here, if you would like to take a look at them. But, every year in the past, we've got quotations. This year we put it out for public bid, for a percentage. It's basically the same way we do some of the maintenance aspects, put it out for bid on an annual basis. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: So, all we're actually doing, is trying to find out what kind of a discount they'd give us. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. A discount. Those three were basically the highest discounts that we received. 13 MR. GIL MUELLER: Murdo do identical items vary in price in each of those catalogues, or are they all pretty much the same? MR. MURDO SMITH: They are all pretty much the same. Different catalogues have different items though, Gil, that are different. Like S&S has got more of the wool and little knickknacks, whereas one company has paint supplies, and the other one has paper products and pens. MR. GIL MUELLER: Specialities? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: What's been your experience in the past? Have you dealt with any or all of these people? MR. MURDO SMITH: We dealt with the Triarco and S&S Arts and Crafts in the past. I'm not sure if we've ever purchased anything from Dick Blick. But, I think it's a step in the right direction of getting the quotes and so forth. It would save a lot of time staff wise and getting quotations and all that when purchasing. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: How much do we spend on Arts and Crafts supplies? MR. MURDO SMITH: The amount of money to be spent, is approximately $10,000 this year. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: What exactly are all the supplies? Are they supplies we use in our Summer Program for instance? MR. MURDO SMITH: Summer Programs, all our After School Programs that goes on, you've got the Christmas specials like Snowfest and all that, Special events. That's for every Community Center or every park throughout the County now. It's not just for one location. That's for all the parks. MS. GENEVA TILL: All of your Instructors submit to you, and then you. . . MR. MURDO SMITH: Correct MR. GIL MUELLER: And you're happy with the people that you've dealt with Triarco and S&S? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. Mary Ellen is making this recommendation that she says these are good companies. She's happy with the bids. MR. GIL MUELLER: But you wanted three, not just those two. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. She wants to be able to get all the material that we needs out of those. MR. GIL MUELLER: What's the Third one that she would recommend? MR. MURDO SMITH: Dick Blick MR. GIL MUELLER: Triarco, S&S, and Dick Blick? 14 MR. MURDO SMITH: Correct IIW CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there any other discussion or questions at all? MS. GENEVA TILL: I move that we accept these, let them go ahead and order from these three companies. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: We have a motion made by Mrs. Till to recommend authorization to approve bid number 91-1802. Is there a second to the motion? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'll second. That motion passed unanimously. VI. REPORTS/UPDATES: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The items that we said we wanted expanded discussion on, I'd like to cover first. First the Conklin Point Boat Ramp situation. H. CONKLIN POINT BOAT RAMP: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: There was approval yesterday, with Westinghouse and there was an implication in that approval that there was going to be a payment to the County of some kind, of $132,000 plus some other moneys on INib construction. So, I have three questions. (1) Has there in fact been an agreement reached with Westinghouse on compensation for moving the access point toward the Conklin Boat Ramp site? MR. MURDO SMITH: To the best of my knowledge, not there has been no change in the access point with Westinghouse. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Well, actually, the question is, has there been any agreement regarding compensation from Westinghouse? MR. MURDO SMITH: Not that I know of. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: (2) Secondly, is there any change in site plan that we currently have drawn for Conklin Point? Which we recommended to the BCC. MR. MURDO SMITH: No. No change has been made in the existing Master Plan. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: (3) To what extent, if any, is the Conklin Point project being held up by negotiation with Westinghouse? MR. MURDO SMITH: I don' t know the answer to that question. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Could we be advised at the next Board meeting as Nil to what the answer to those three questions might be. Because, the thing I'm a little concerned about, is those are Parks related issues that we've 15 spent a fair amount of time on, and to the extent that there's and agreement with Westinghouse on the Conklin Point site which impacts the timing or Site Plan of the boat ramp project. I think as a Board, we should be aware of it. MR. MURDO SMITH: I'll get you updated at the next meeting. I didn' t even know that Westinghouse had gone before the BCC yesterday. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: It came in the Context of zoning approval on the Condominium units. I'm sorry! Does anybody else have any discussion on that item. E. VANDERBILT BEACH ACCESSES & PARKING: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: The second item we wanted expanded discussion on, is the Vanderbilt Beach turnaround. Where does that all sit? What do we need to do, to get that thing moving? MR. MURDO SMITH: The process is under way, Kim, to get the project going. Commissioner Volpe's office called me last week and asked for a copy of the plan, so he could review it. The County has said that we could use regional park impact fees to improve that facility, and basically it is right now just waiting for some type of response from Commissioner Volpe. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: As to the plan? 1 (lie MR. MURDO SMITH: He wanted to look at the plan, and review it, and then I guess give us the OK to go ahead and do it. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. So you don' t need any further recommendation from the Parks Board? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. I think that it's gone pretty far. As soon as we get the OK to go ahead, I'm going to get with Capital Projects to get and Engineer to design it and proceed with it. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Will that require any further action on our part, or will it require County Board action to authorize the bid for instance? MR. MURDO SMITH: It may have to come back to this board for the Bid approval and also a possibility of getting an engineer to do it. It would probably have to come back for at least one of those. If not the Engineer at least the bid would have to come back to you for your review. I can keep you updated on that one, as it goes on. But, it's ready to go. MR. GIL MUELLER: I came upon this letter that was written to Ronald McLemore on June 27th. It's concerning the possibility of funds for these projects being funded by the Tourist Development Funds. Did he ever answer that letter before he left? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. We don' t have any Tourist Development Funds now. Both of those projects were recommended to the Tourist Development 16 Counselor or whatever it was for approval. I never received an answer back. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Let's go through the remaining items on the Report/Update list. A. BONITA BEACH PARK: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I've read in the newspaper that Chairman Goodnight met with Lee County Commissioner Ray Judah. Can you tell us where that stands currently. There apparently was some holdup in finalization of the Contract. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. The finalization seems to be in the sewer hookup and in the entrance to both parks. As you were aware, there was an agreement with the Lely Development about if they had a secondary entrance into the Park, that an easement would be waived or turned back to Lely. That's what they're discussing with Lely, and the County now. MR. GIL MUELLER: Is this in conjunction with Dr. Eisenbud's comments? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. Yes. That we had at the last meeting. Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: Is the third parking lot going in then, Murdo. MR. MURDO SMITH: At the Preserve, we have currently budgeted for the Bath House approval, was done by the BCC yesterday. It was approved yesterday. The third parking lot, the Dune Restoration, and the Boardwalks linking all the existing boardwalks. That should be going out for bid this year also. That has been budgeted this year and is coming out of impact fees to do that work also. MR. GIL MUELLER: When do you think that Bath House might be completed? MR. MURDO SMITH: The construction time is 90 days. We're looking at possibly starting January. B. TIGERTAIL VEGETATION: MR. MURDO SMITH: Since the last meeting, we've received permission from the DER to go down and remove the vegetation at the beach. This was accomplished, I believe, last Wednesday or Thursday. We went down and mowed the area, and we had it disked and raked up. The contractor is still down there now, and he is in the process of doing some final raking to remove the vegetation. So, we have a beach of approximately 400 feet across now. It looks good! We've had a lot of very positive comments, and people seem to like what is happening down there. MR. GIL MUELLER: I think we've finally overcome the problems that existed between DER, which might have been quoted incidentally a misunderstanding between he and the County as far as this mitigation actually consisted of, and perhaps even the lack of cooperation on the part of the Contractor that was supposed to complete the work, Henderson Creek. Which is still 17 not complete as I understand it. And, other existing circumstances. I think Tigertail looks great now finally! MS. GENEVA TILL: How about that water that was standing there? Is that situation taken care of? Well, you said it smelled so bad. MR. GIL MUELLER: You're talking about the actual Gulf water. That's still a problem Mrs. Till, and that's something that another group which is headed by Frank Blanchar is trying to deal with now, so that they have a pool of water so that it doesn' t become stagnate. I guess it's a matter of value. Some people look at the water, jump in, and say "This is marvelous!" and others turn their nose up and walk away. I don' t know. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: One related question. Not to get too deep into it. Are our agreements with our Concessionaires down there now kicking in for the full rate? 0. MR. MURDO SMITH: Not yet. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: As I remember it, the predicate for the reduction in the Concessionaire Fees was, the fact that Tigertail wasn' t raked, and then attendance was down. So, we were going to give them time to have the beach restored, and at that point, then our rates were going to go back up. MR. MURDO SMITH: Our rates technically have never gone down yet. The BCC have not acted upon their request. That is in the County Attorney's office. So, they technically have not received their reduction that they had asked for, and this board approved back in September or August. So, I have a meeting next week with the County Attorney to go over that, and see what types of ways we can come up with a reduction. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: At this point, they should be back to the full shot though, right? MR. MURDO SMITH: Not quite. Because, when we were negotiating with the amount of reduction, it was negotiated that we would go down after the raking was complete and take a look at the conditions and just because the vegetation, Kim, has been removed, there's still some discoloration, and some debris. It takes a little time to get it off their. 80% of it is about gone, but I'm looking for maybe another month or so we'll have to look at that and then get back down and look at it again to see if it's OK. MR. GIL MUELLER: When did we recommend to the BCC that they reduce the Concessionaire's Fee? Was that in August? MR. MURDO SMITH: I believe so. MR. GIL MUELLER: Are you saying that they have not done that yet? MR. MURDO SMITH: No sir. m % MR. GIL MUELLER: Why in the world would they not have done that yet? 18 What is holding them up? MR. MURDO SMITH: They have not gotten the legal review out of the County Attorney's Office. MR. GIL MUELLER: As to whether they can do it? MR. MURDO SMITH: The approval of it. MR. GIL MUELLER: So, in the mean time this man has been paying the full Fee? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: It seems as though now the tail is catching up the head of the horse here, because now the beach is clear. If they approve it, they've got to go back and give him some sort of allowance. MR. MURDO SMITH: I think that, me personally, since he came in here and you had approved it, I think that we should go back and give him some type of retroactive back to October 1 or August 1, whenever he wanted it. Up until the time when we decide when the beach is cleared. I think that's the understanding. MR. GIL MUELLER: I was under the understanding that he was paying the lesser fee for the last couple of months. MR. MURDO SMITH: No. The County Attorney and our Department told him that we thought that he should pay the full fee until such time the BCC approve that he get a reduction. (end of Tape 1-B) MR. GIL MUELLER: . . . is one of the best Concessionaires the Parks and Recreation Department has ever had. The man has invested thousands and thousands of dollars in that Concession, which is County property in fact. They are hard working people, and I think we should keep our word to them. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. I think that Cool Concessions Inc. , I don' t know if many of you have gone down there lately and seen it, but they've put a new deck around there and they've done some work around the trailer, and it looks very attractive. I think they've done a wonderful job. I just wish them all the success in the world down there. They've been very conscientious. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Any further discussion on that at all? C. 951 BOAT RAMP PARKING: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that kind of a dormant situation, or what? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. It's basically at the same spot as last time. We 19 had an Engineer go down there and look at it approximately how many spaces ' we could put in. They're asking the FDOT about the area where we can use �r it. We're supposed to get a cost estimate back from those Engineers as to what it would cost to add some parking and so forth and how much their fee would be to do that. MR. GIL MUELLER: Who is the Engineers Murdo? MR. MURDO SMITH: It'll probably be Johnson & Johnson? MR. GIL MUELLER: So we're waiting for word from the Engineers? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: The Engineer approach the State? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. We'll approach the State. They are going to give us a cost estimate on what it would be to construct the parking and so forth, and how long it would take. MR. GIL MUELLER: Do you think we'll have that by the season after this one? MR. MURDO SMITH: I think you're going to get involved into such heavy permitting their Gil, that it's going to take two years to build it. I think that's probably how long it will be. Obtaining the permits to do it will be the biggest problem that we'll have there. Not that they can' t be obtained, and I'm sure they will be, it's just going to be a long process Now obtaining those permits. MR. GIL MUELLER: Once whatever body with the State OK's this thing, then there are permits that have to be acquired from other Divisions or Departments of the State? MR. MURDO SMITH: Right! It would be different ones. You would have the DER, and so forth. It would take some time permitting. MR. GIL MUELLER: So we're waiting for the Engineers at this point? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there any other discussion on that item? D. POOLS: MR. MURDO SMITH: 306 Projects right now are on hold. They are the Community Park Projects. They are basically on hold. It's because of the Bluebill property not being sold. That's kind of caused a little bit of a cash flow problem in the Community. Park fund. However, that should be corrected soon. Then we' ll move on. 20 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: How's that? MR. MURDO SMITH: Well they're looking at ways to transfer money and so forth into that account to keep going. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Not necessarily through the sale of the Bluebill property? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. Not necessarily! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Now that was in our current budget year, the pool for the Golden Gate site? MR. MURDO SMITH: It still is. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Now, with your design. How far have you gotten in your design for the site? MR. MURDO SMITH: 20% to 30% CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that ongoing? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is Wilson Miller undertaking the design work? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: They're doing that within the scope of their general fee? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Do we do those types of projects on time and material basis. MR. MURDO SMITH: No. That was a contract that was signed a couple of years ago for those type of facilities in each Community park. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is there a cap on what their design fees are for the pool? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: What's the cap on the design fees? MR. MURDO SMITH: I wouldn' t know off hand, Kim. I would have to get back with you on that. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So can we look forward to the project getting constructed in this year or at least beginning? MR. MURDO SMITH: Hopefully, yes. Beginning construction. I don' t could have ever completed it in this budget year anyway, because of the bidding 21 requirements and so forth. However, I do believe that we will start construction this year, on the pool. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Any other questions on the pool thing? F. COMMUNITY CENTERS: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Are we getting near completion on our three Community Centers? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: At North Naples we're supposed to have a walk-through early in December. The first or second week. That will be substantial completion. East Naples is approximately about a week behind. Immokalee is scheduled for the week of the 18th of December. So, basically all the walk-throughs are going to be done in the middle of December for substantial completion. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: After the walk-throughs. Where is that in time to the CO on those buildings? MR. MURDO SMITH: Technically, at that point you can use the building, if you have substantial completion. OK. But, we're going to wait until they have the final completion before we actually go in. Because, we've found out if you go in and start having kids around, it's seems to be like a never ending process. Because, for some reason there's always walls being damaged and so forth. We think it would be better for the contractor just to go in and finish up all his punch list items and get out. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: How long will that take? MR. MURDO SMITH: It usually takes about two weeks to a month. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Now once we have completion, for instance, on North Naples. Do we have a budget to put staff in that facility? MR. MURDO SMITH: It is in the budget, yes, but the Assistant Park Program Supervisor positions are still frozen at the present time. What we usually do, is at each facility we have a Park Program Supervisor, an Assistant Park Program Supervisor, and a basic Community Center Janitor/Aide. At the present time, the Community Center Janitor is in the County Manager's Office for review to post that position to go out for hiring. The Assistant is still frozen under the County's hiring freeze. We have a Park Program Supervisor at each site, except for Frank E. Mackle Jr. Community Park. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So, I guess my question is this. Will we be able to open the facility upon the final completion? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. We will open the facility. The hours may be 22 reduced from what they would normally be, but they will be opened. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: So, for instance, could we use it for Neighborhood Association meetings in North Collier County? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: How much capacity will it have? MR. MURDO SMITH: The big room, you're probably looking at about 300 people. It's basically the same as what Frank E. Mackle Jr. Community Center is. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is this true of both the other facilities as well? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. They are identical. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: But, in terms of the staffing, would you be able to staff the other two facilities? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. I'm not going to say we're going to staff them completely. We will be able to open them up with the staff that we currently have, and the hours may be reduced, but we will open them at some point. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Will PARAB be able to have it's January meeting in the North Naples facility? MR. MURDO SMITH: I believe we should be able to. I don' t think that is out of the question. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Any other questions on the Community Centers at all? G. FRANK E. MACKLE JR. PARK BUILDING EXPANSION: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that done? MR. MURDO SMITH: We were down there Tuesday and we met with the Contractor, and he has several little little items to finish. He said that within a week they would be done. I mean they were just things like he had to replace the lighting grids that he had taken to see if he could get another price. He's got to put that in. There was not real construction he had to do. Just, cleaning some paint and so forth. Painting and caulking. A little clean-up. MR. GIL MUELLER: I should confess to you Murdo, because you're going to hear about it sooner or later. As you know, the fact that the Contractor failed to complete the punch list at Mackle Park over a period of three months. I had talked to Bill Flynn about it several times, and he was trying his best without success. I talked to Heyward Boyce about it, and found that they were holding $15,000. That seemed peculiar to me. I couldn' t understand that, because I get involved in that type of thing on 23 Marco, and if somebody holds $15,000 from me, I'd want to know why. So, I went over to see Joe Lynch and told him about this and he was very surprised the job wasn' t completed. He was extremely surprised that $15,000 was being held out. Believe me, the telephone pretty near burned up in his hand while I was there. He was really upset! He has the Construction foreman, and the Vise President, and the whole bunch of them lined up in about ten minutes. Subsequently, they got down there and finished up. So, I think it was just a matter of misunderstanding and maybe the right people weren' t being corresponded with. But, it's done now! I didn' t want you to hear that through the "Grapevine" . MR. MURDO SMITH: OK. Well, thank you for your call. MR. GIL MUELLER: Whatever it takes. You'll take the Bull by the Horns every time. That's right! H. CONKLIN POINT BOAT RAMP: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that on hold, pending the Westinghouse negotiations? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. Capital Projects is basically handling that project for us. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: We need to know where that all stands. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. I'll get back to you on that. 0 I. LISTING OF DONATED PROPERTY: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I'm going to assume that we still haven' t made any progress. What's it going to take to get something done on that? MR. MURDO SMITH: Write another letter. That's the only thing. . . They're short staffed like everyone else, and they've got a lot of things to do, and I'll try them again and see what we can do. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. J. IMMOKALEE CHILD CARE CENTER: MR. MURDO SMITH: I think that's almost a dead issue now. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Let's take that off the Report/Update list. I think that was completed construction, right? MR. MURDO SMITH: Well, that was the Child Care that wanted to come in and 24 use our South Immokalee Park. But there was a zoning question. I think at the last meeting, Mrs. Thomas said that they have gone elsewhere or something like that. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. I'm with you on that. K. CLAM PASS PARK: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Is that the Utilities? MR. MURDO SMITH: The Utilities are out for bid now. I think that was put on after the last meeting that you had when the Registry and so forth came here to make their recommendation. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. The Utilities project though is out for bid, and when do you expect the Utilities to go forward? MR. MURDO SMITH: I don' t know. I'd have to get with Wilson Miller to see how long the start up and so forth. Hopefully they'll start up by the first of the year or at least in December at the earliest. VII. NEW BUSINESS: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Are there any other questions or items that other Board Members would like to bring up, or any discussion that you would like to have on any issues? Mr. Clendenon? Mrs. Till? Mr. Mueller? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'll make a motion that we adjourn. A. SOCCER FIELDS: MR. GIL MUELLER: Before we adjourn. In view of the Commissioners comments at their BCC meeting two weeks ago concerning the Nice Wonder Baseball Issue. They made a commitment to a number of people that they would try and find additional soccer fields. I was wondering whether it wouldn' t be a good idea for us to either place that on the Agenda, or discuss it at this meeting and determine whether or not it's necessary, what's your feeling is on it Murdo. Maybe you've made inroads into this already. I don' t know. Are the claims of these people justified? Are there inadequate soccer fields? Are we looking for more? MR. MURDO SMITH: I think that the Soccer group is very justified in their request. As you know, they've come before this Board several times in the past requesting soccer fields to be built. y MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Did I just hear about the Vineyards giving or allowing soccer fields on their property? 25 MR. MURDO SMITH: What we have is a Community Park Property donated by the • Vineyards in the Vineyards, directly south of the Vineyards elementary School. We got into a cooperative agreement with the School Board for an Inter-local agreement where they can use our facilities, we can use theirs, and so forth. At the present time, they're looking at the possibility of possibly constructing the fields at the Vineyards. There is enough acreage there that would do it. But, the Soccer league is. . . If you go to Pine Ridge on a Saturday morning and see 1500 kids playing up there. From what I understand, there's going to be some expansion done, and they're going to be losing their fields up there. So, they're going to have to have somewhere to play. MR. GIL MUELLER: Where are the different soccer fields? There's one in Pine Ridge, in North Naples, and there's one in Immokalee? MR. MURDO SMITH: We have a soccer field, Gil, at basically every community park. East Naples, North Naples, Mackie, and here. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: At Seagate, is there a soccer field? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. Seagate is not big enough for a soccer field. You could put a little one in there. We have five soccer fields total, right now. There's about 2,000 plus users. The problem that they have with the five fields, Gil, is that their not in a centralized location where they can participate in the games during the Saturdays. It's tough for the Optimist Soccer League because they've got so many families involved �, that to carry them from North Naples to Marco and so forth. When both kids are playing at two different games. One's one hour, one of them's the next hour. It's hard for them to do that. That's why they've always wanted the centralized location. Also there's a lot of Tournaments and so forth that could be drawn to this community, it you have a centralized soccer facility. Cape Coral has Pelican field. There's about five or six soccer fields there. Just about every place you go in the state, you'll see the soccer has the 4, 5, or 6 fields in one location where they have these big tournaments to attract people and so forth. MR. GIL MUELLER: So what's the solution to this? To develop a central soccer area? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. MR. GIL MUELLER: In addition to the five existing fields. Wouldn' t there be some overkill there, if you have a central plus five satellite fields? MR. MURDO SMITH: No. Because we have programs going on too at the same time as what the Optimists and everybody else. So it would be a scheduling problem to get into using these facilities that we have. MR. GIL MUELLER: Where would you put the facilities? You have to have a lot of land for that. MR. MURDO SMITH: That's why we're thinking about possibly putting them at the Vineyards. That's about the only large piece of land that we have at the present time. 26 MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Is that big enough for five fields? MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. Our portion is approximately 35 acres in size. MR. GIL MUELLER: So that would be the solution to the problem then. MR. MURDO SMITH: Yes. If that's where the Board decides that they want to put them. That's the only place, at the present time, could really put all those soccer fields. It's close enough where everybody could utilize it. MS. GENEVA TILL: Are we doing anything about getting property for that? What's being done? MR. MURDO SMITH: The only thing that I have been in discussion with, right now, is about the Vineyards. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I think what we need to do, if the Board is willing to go along, is let's put that on our Report/Update List. So that we on an ongoing basis review this. MR. GIL MUELLER: Yes. That's a good idea. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I agree with you. It's a central issue. Let's get it on our Report/Update List and we'll keep track of the progress of that. Do we have a motion to do that? MR. GIL MUELLER: I'll make a motion that we put the issue of the Soccer 0 fields on our next Agenda for discussion. MS. GENEVA TILL: I'll second that. There being no further discussion, so unanimously the next agenda, we'll include the Soccer fields issue. B. DECEMBER PARAB MEETING: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: A couple of housekeeping items. One is, the next meeting falls on December 25, Christmas Day. Should we have it the Wednesday before, on the 18th or. . . MS. GENEVA TILL: I'm going to be in Utah, skiing that week. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: When are you going to be gone? MS. GENEVA TILL: The week prior to school being out, and that takes in the 14th until the 22nd, something like that. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: What if we have it the week following Christmas? MR. GIL MUELLER: I'll be in California. 27 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Should we have a meeting in December? MR. GIL MUELLER: I wondered about that too. Are we required to have 12 meetings a year. It's not that we haven' t fulfilled that, regardless. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I think we went through our Summer this year, which we normally don' t do. So, maybe we could not have our December meeting. But, if we don' t do that. . . Do you have a Parks function here this year. Christmas party? MR. MURDO SMITH: Mary Ellen was going to talk about Snowfest just before you adjourn. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Or, like an employee party? MR. MURDO SMITH: We had one last year. We'll probably have one similar to that again this year. MR. GIL MUELLER: Are you going to invite the Board at all? MR. MURDO SMITH: Sure! CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: I thought that might be nice, to have the Board members be with the employees for that event. If we could, maybe two or three of us might be able to get out here. MR. MURDO SMITH: You were here last year. Weren' t you Kim? CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Yes. I enjoyed it. Very much enjoyed it! Could we do that in lieu of our December meeting? Is that acceptable to the Board. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: It's acceptable to me. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: OK. Could we have a motion to that effect? MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: I'll make the motion. CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Motion by Mr. Clendenon that we cancel our December meeting of PARAB , and our next regularly scheduled meeting will be in January. MS. GENEVA TILL: I'll second that motion. So, that motion passed unanimously. MS. GENEVA TILL: When is the party going to be? MR. MURDO SMITH: We usually have. . . All it basically is, is a little luncheon just before Christmas. It's on the 23rd. That's when we'll probably do it. At noon. MR. WILLIAM CLENDENON: Will you call me, Ramona? MR. MURDO SMITH: Sure! Whenever we set it up we'll a. . . 28 CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Well keep us advised of the whole thing. C. SNOWFEST: CHAIRMAN KIM KOBZA: Mrs. Donner, did you want to make a two minute presentation on Snowfest for us? MS. MARY ELLEN DONNER: Snowfest is here, and each of you have in your packets a parking pass, as well as an invitation to attend. It will make our sixth annual, and we are expecting a bigger and better turnout than last year. That parking pass will actually get you into VIP parking here. You have to show it to the policeman at the corner otherwise he will probably not let you in. MR. GIL MUELLER: How many of those have you issued than, Mary Ellen? MS. MARY ELLEN DONNER: Probably 20 at this point. We're going to give out some to our Volunteers and some to the press as well. So, all parking inside the park is just going to be VIP. Otherwise, parking will be down at the Berkshire Commons. So, if you can make it, it's Saturday, December 7, at 5:00 p.m. It will go through 8:00 p.m. There will be all kinds of things, and of course we will give you a complementary T-shirt regardless. MR. GIL MUELLER: I'll be there. 4110 MS. MARY ELLEN DONNER: So, if you can, we'd love to see you and hope you'll be there. VIII. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. William Clendenon Motioned to Adjourn. Mrs. Geneva Till seconded the motion. With no further discussion, the motion passed unanimously, 4-0. MS:rtd:003903 29