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Minutes 05/22/1991 R Parks & Recreation Advisory Board ( PARAB ) Minutes May 22 , 1991 MINUTES COLLIER COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office May 22, 1991 PRESENT: Mr. Gill Mueller, Vice Chairman ABSENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas Ms. Geneva Till Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman (arrived at 2 : 00 p.m. ) I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 2 : 00 p.m. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Gil Mueller motioned to approve the minutes as prepared for the April 24 , 1991 meeting. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the motion passed unanimously 3-0 IV. REQUESTS FOR DISCUSSION - SPECIFIC UPDATE ITEMS: There was none. V. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS: A. IMPACT FEES--Amendment to Impact Fee Ordinance Mr. Dennis Cronin, Assistant County Attorney presented an Amendment increasing the Community Park and Regional Park Impact Fees, and combining the Community Park Districts. A Program Participation Survey was done for six different Parks & Recreation Department activities. The six programs were Men's Winter Softball, Flag Football, Cheerleading, A Nature Interpretive Program, A Summer Camp Program, and Swimming. Cross participation between districts justified the merger into three districts. Chairman Kobza expressed his concerns of how the expansion would effect the North Naples area, it being one of the fastest growing areas in Collier County today and having a substantial Impact Fee balance. Chairman Kobza suggested that he would go along with the motion for support of the Ordinance if it were with the understanding that existing fund balances be expended for facilities currently planned for the existing districts in which they were derived, and that all future Impact Fees collected be collected according to the Ordinance and according to the Districts as proposed. Mr. Murdo Smith informed PARAB of the fund balances. Ms. Geneva Till motioned that we (PARAB) accept this Impact Fees Amendment with the understanding that the money that is there now will be spent in that particular area, district. Chairman Kobza formalized the motion to read: That we (PARAB) recommend to the County Board acceptance and adoption of the proposed impact fee ordinance with the consolidation and expansion of the impact fee districts as they are proposed subject to the policy or requirement that existing fund balances be allocated to the improvements designated in the comprehensive plan, 1 for each of the currently existing impact fee districts. Mr. Gil Mueller seconded the motion, and it passed unanimously 3-0 B. GOLDEN GATE LITTLE LEAGUE--Request for additional Baseball field at Golden Gate Community Park. Mr. Howard Egalka, Treasurer for the Golden Gate Little League, expressed the League's desire to have a field built in Golden Gate. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that there's two baseball facilities within the Growth Management Plan that were supposed to be constructed last year and are included in the Capital Improvement Budget this year. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we 've had basically the same request from the North Naples Little league to construct a field because of their overcrowding. It was suggested to fund this Project with impact fees. Chairman Kobza commented that in general, we have 1. 5 million in North Naples, 1. 3 million in Golden Gate, and let's put it to some use. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that it was budgeted in the General Obligation 306 Fund. However, he will check at the budget review, to see if it can come out of Impact Fee moneys. Ms. Geneva Till motioned that we provide the additional baseball fields and to add that it be built from our Impact Fee money that we have for North Naples and Golden Gate, and not from Ad Velorum Taxes. Chairman Kobza rephrased the motion to read: Ms. Geneva Till made the recommendation to the County Board to go forward with construction of the Little League Ballfields in Golden Gate and North Naples, and using Impact Fee money to finance construction of those facilities, and the Golden Gate facility will have the additional parking that was suggested. Mr. Gil Mueller seconded Ms. Geneva Till ' s motion, and the motion passed unanimously. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that further analysis and investigation of the utilization or the revision of how these games are arranged, the time factors, etc. be reviewed. Also that PARAB discuss again the restrictions at Winterberry ballfield at the next meeting. Ms Geneva Till seconded the motion. Chairman Kobza rephrased the motion to read: Number one, to make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners that we investigate the utilization of all our facilities, and to maximize the utilization of all our facilities in our parks. Number two, that we are going to as a Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, place items on our agenda as relates to Winterberry and Palm Springs Parks specifically. The motion was seconded by Chairman Kobza, and it passed unanimously with a 3-0 vote. D. Dedication of North Naples Community Park Veterean Services Department Director, Mr. Lew Schulz , was present to give PARAB a briefing of events to take place on Memorial Day at North Naples Community Park which has been designated to be renamed Veterans Park. We will construct a memorial to honor all veterans, past, present, and future, male and female, who served this Country. The design will be very simplistic in nature with the possibility of additional phases. The first phase, again, very simplistic, very serene. This first phase will hopefully be constructed within the next year. In the coming year, the , CS in conjunction with other Veterans, and Civic and Paternal Organizations hope to raise the money to construct this memorial. Their emphasis is to honor all 2 wars, all veterans, with no emphasis on one particular war. There have been many Veterans that have seen very little appreciation, and this is a way of encompassing all of them. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that we present a resolution/recommendation to the County Board to accept this concept and progress fully to the extent that they've given it to us today. Ms. Geneva Till seconded the motion and that motion passed unanimously 3-0. C. INTERVIEW OF APPLICANTS--to fill vacancy on PARAB District Four Two applicants were present for interviewing. Mrs. Carol Pahl was interviewed first and then Mr. Thralls. Mr. Gil Mueller had a suggestion of accepting both of these individuals, and somehow having the one replace our fellow member who is absent 95% of the time. Ms. Geneva Till will call Commissioner Anne Goodnight. Ms. Geneva Till motioned that we accept Mrs. Carol Pahl as a member for District 4 . Mr. Gil Mueller seconded Ms. Geneva Till ' s motion on the provision that we petition the board to allow us to appoint and alternate "at large" member in the event of absences sickness, etc. because both of these people are highly qualified and we don't want to discourage them. The motioned passed unanimously. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that we petition the BCC to allow us to appoint an alternate and allow us to suggest that we accept Mr. Thralls as an Alternate, or "Member At Large" to fill in at the time of absence or sickness, etc. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the second motion passed unanimously. E. Budget--1991/92 fiscal year Staff reviewed the proposed 1991/92 budget with PARAB. As requested, staff sent a memo to the Real Property Department to investigate if there 's any additional land adjacent to 951 Boat Ramp. We received a response stating it was owned by the State and in order to have the State review it we would have to come up with some type of plan showing what we wanted to do. Gary Franco is in the process of getting a plan put together for 951. The Productivity Committee recommended that we institute some type of boat launch fee at all our boat ramps to be consistent throughout the County. Chairman Kobza suggested that rather than having all parking meters, to have a central dispenser where you put a dollar in or whatever the fee, you get your ticket, and then display it in your windshield inside the car. The Productivity Committee recommended increasing the parking fee at County beaches. PARAB will be receiving a written report from the Productivity Committee. Chairman Kobza commented also that he does want to promote the concept of beginning a beach supervision type program. If we're paying the City of Naples to do it, and we agree that that's worthwhile, then we need to do it for our own beaches. Chairman Kobza asked staff to get a legal interpretation regarding the requested ballfield for the North Naples Community Park, and also requested that when Parks and Recreation is scheduled for the Budget Meeting, that they be informed of the time and date one week ahead of time, at least. Chairman Kobza requested that staff start thinking in terms of moving the Vanderbilt issue forward a little bit. Chairman Kobza commented that he believes we should acquire the Barron Collier property across the street through condemnation 3 if necessary and make that a parking facility for that area. Chairman Kobza requested that be put on the Agenda for next time. Mr. Murdo Smith will check into how much it might cost from the Real Property Dept. , an updated appraisal or something like that. Ms. Geneva Till moved that we accept this budget as presented for the 1991/92 fiscal year. Mr. Gil Mueller seconded the motion. Chairman Kobza we didn't prioritize anything, but he's assuming that their prior action on the Olympic Pool still stands, as a priority. The motion passed unanimously with a 3-0 vote. VI. REPORTS/UPDATES: Ms. Geneva Till commented that several louvers, over at the restroom building have been kicked out. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we've repaired that once, and will be repaired again. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we are in the process of signing a purchase order to repave the parking lot at Aaron Lutz & should be completed within the next two weeks. Mr. Gil Mueller asked what is happening with the Army Corps of Engineers. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that Harry Huber's office and Tom 011iff have been the people handling that. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that the Frank E. Mackle Building expansion should be done by the middle of June. . Gil Mueller asked about the letter of commendation to Sheriff Hunter, ,garding their services. Also wanted to know if they have utilized any of these convicts again. It was agreed it was an excellent idea, and should continue. Ms. Geneva Till commented that she will be on vacation in June, but will be back by the 26th. Mr. Gil Mueller will be gone one month. Chairman Kobza commented that he' s planning vacation during the last week of August and the first week of September. Chairman Kobza commented that the December meeting should be held at the new North Naples Community Center. Mr. Murdo Smith suggested that the next meeting could be held at the GGCP and then the members could tour the North Naples facilities. Chairman Kobza suggested that at some point in time he 'd like to get the other members up to North Naples to visit the facilities. It doesn't need to be next meeting, but sometime before the County Budget hearing because he'd like to show PARAB the Barron Collier site, the Vanderbilt Beach site, etc. The June PARAB meeting will be held here at the Golden Gate Community Park. VII. NEW BUSINESS: None. VIII. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that the meeting be adjourned at 5:45 p.m. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the motion passed unanimously 3-0. MG:rtd: 003548 4 VI. REPORTS/UPDATES: A. BONITA BEACH PARK: Chairman Kobza I might start with the Barefoot discussion. The County Commission met approximately two weeks ago to take up the Lely Barefoot discussion. And I'll just give you my recall of what took place. Basically what happened was they appointed the Task Force and citizens from Bonita were on the Task Force, Lely Barefoot Homeowners association, the developer Lely Barefoot or Lely which is John Agnali, Michael Volpe, and myself, and Gil participated in the first. . . Mr. Gil Mueller I was at the first two, but not the third. Not the 8:00 in the morning one. Chairman Kobza I was there the first two, and I was not there the third either. Mr. Murdo Smith We deeply missed both of you two in that meeting too. Mr. Gil Mueller That was a good one too. Chairman Kobza So at any rate, that task force made a report to the County Board in its final form suggesting a couple of things. One was that the County Board. . . Was it the recommendation to accept the donation? Mr. Murdo Smith The recommendation was made to accept the donation. Would you like a copy of that Executive Summary Kim? Chairman Kobza Sure! I think there were two things. One was to provide full time supervision at Lely Barefoot and the other was to accept the donation of $40,000 from Lely Development and Mr. Agnali to help subsidize the donation or to subsidize the supervision. Then the other thing was that the Board recommended or that Task Force recommended that fees not be charged at Lely Barefoot and that a prior solution which we had worked out which was the construction of a guard gate at the entrance to the park not be built. By implication, that's basically what they were saying. For our purposes, I didn't really support what the Board ended up with as a recommendation and as adopted as a County Board for a few reasons, which I'll discribe to you. They went in to the County Board. . . That recommendation went in to the County Board and the County Board elected to provide full time supervision, but not to accept the donation from Mr. Agnali which was $40,000. So, at any rate, by the time everybody had spoken, and there were over 20 registered speakers, the. . . Chairman Goodnight was trying to put the discussion off, because it was largely repetitive, and it was very emotional, and everything else. And so a motion was made by Commissioner Sauders, and it had and second, and then Page #2 they allowed some additional discussion. But, it was pretty clear which way the Board was headed, and basically by the time I got up to speak, all I could really say of impact was that the funds, if they weren't going to take the donation, that the funds for the supervision not come out of other operating moneys that we have. Because., here we are, we struggle with the budget and everything else, and the County Board goes and says well we'll provide supervision, but we're not going to take a contribution for it. Ok? So at any rate, that's what I had added to the discussion and it's my understanding that the board's direction was not to take moneys out of our operating budget, although I don't know that it was ever incorporated in the motion. That certainly was the discussion and I think the direction of it. So at any rate, that's where that has been left at this time, and the Board <beep> forclose at some point taking the donation from Agnali and Lely Development, but they wanted to resolve other issues related to the guard house in front and the as I see it, the Bonita Beach Park is going to be coming up in some of those issues. So any way, that's my rendition of what happened. <END OF TAPE 1-A> . . .the Bar discussion. I did have a little problem with where it came out. I thought it was a departure prone, what we recommended to the Board in the past. Mr. Gil Mueller This group? Chairman Kobza This group is right. Mr. Gil Mueller In addition to the Task Force Group. Chairman Kobza Right! We said a dollar. Here with our board, we said a dollar and also we had a lot of discussion about the out County versus the in County use of the park. And we also have been very focused on the budget items, and I think it's been our. . . You know we haven't always liked to deal with it, but we've kind of come to accept having to have charges at least to provide the services required within the facility. Not that we're making money, but that we're at least covering whatever it is. And we did that for budgetary reasons and that's what we've been given for the last several years, so I'm. . . Ms. Geneva Till There was a lot of pressure. . . . them not to take that money so that they didn't feel <> to. They have. . . You were having pressure from both sides. . . Chairman Kobza Right! What these people were saying, and very few of them by the way, are Collier County residents, but basically what they were saying was that even though we would hire this person as a County employee, that we wouldn't have Page #3 full control over that person. And I thought that was not the case at all, if somebody's working for our Parks Department, and Murdo here. . . Murdo's going to tell them what to do period. So, I would've taken the donation. The thing was to Lely, it was not fair to them, because we were the ones on the Task Force that asked them for the donation in the first place, and so it really came out wrong. Any way that's where my thinking on it is, and if we're going to get supervision then we need to have supervision at all our County Beach parks in the north end of Collier County. Mr. Gil Mueller Well I was under the impression that the Lease Agreement with the Lely Corporation specified perhaps not directly, but in general terms that this park was suposed to be operated in a similar fashion or in some legal ease to other County parks, and by not charging at this park, it isn't being. . . The basic functions of that park is not being full filled, it is not operating in a similar fashion. They're not charging. That's a pretty important facet of a County park, whether you charge or whether you don't charge. Chairman Kobza Well. . . OK, so this goes to another issue where the Board needs to have some input. I want to just get your thinking about where we should go with this. Commissioner Volpe has suggested this, Beach Task Force. Ms. Geneva Till Yes! I saw that. Are you involved with that? Chairman Kobza Well, let go the next step here. That hasn't been established yet. That Beach Task Force, and it's partially to have uniformity in fees and practices and everything else. But, I'll give you kind of a. . . . Just a gut feeling on this maybe. Because you know, we spend a lot of time addressing the beach issues and what I heard Commissioner Volpe say was that there would be one member from each district on this Task Force. As a Parks & Rec Board, what's the difference. You know, we've spent a lot of time on Fee issues, and so on. So what I want to say back. . . What I want to do in terms of maybe a letter, at least to Commissioner Volpe, is say those issues ought to come back to the Parks & Rec Board. Now, I don't know how you feel about that, but maybe we can make that in a form of a Recommendation. I just don't know how you feel about it. Ms. Geneva Till When I read that, I thought, well does he know we're here. Because he's taking away the very things that we do. He was saying well, lets have a new force. Mr. Gil Mueller Well, I think the Task Force is a worthwhile thing, to establish in addition to whatever recommendations we might 4 Page #4 make. And as I said, I attended two of those meetings, and I think they were worthwhile. I really regret that I didn't go to the third one now. But I wasn't a participant, I was merely an observer. But, I too was disappointed, Mrs. Till, and I have let it known to one and hopefully two Commissioners that they ignored our recommendations and not that they are compelled to accept them or to go by them, but it was almost in complete contridiction to our recommendations, and a lot of time we've spent on this thing, and you know, if that's going to be the case, why we. . . . Well, I let one Commissioner know, at least, that I was darned unhappy with the way that they voted. And, I couldn't understand, that somehow it doesn't seem right to me, and correct me please if I'm not thinking properly on this. It doesn't seem right to me, that other County Beach parks should be in effect supporting Lely Barefoot. Is that a correct analagy, or am I miss interpreting that? Chairman Kobza There's a little more to it. Mr. Gil Mueller What little more to it is there? Chairman Kobza Well, with the limited number of parking spaces they have, which is the 65, you're never going to generate enough revenue to be supportive at the present time. Mr. Gil Mueller But that was the primary object, was to increase those parking spaces as soon as possible. Chairman Kobza Right! So that'll happen over time, but in the near term you're not going to find them being self supporting. What I don't want us to get into, is the situation where. . . Which is very close to what you're saying, Gil, which is where we're cutting from other parks because we have to pay operational expenses up there. Now I don't know, Murdo, maybe you can a. . . Mr. Murdo Smith I think you know that we've been meeting for the last approximately month, with the Productivity Committee. Mr. Gil Mueller The who? Mr. Murdo Smith The Productivity Committee. Chairman Kobza Productivity. And then their questions, their approach, is the whole other way. It's the flip side of the coin, of this Bonita Beach issue. The Productivity Committee is to. . . Their Charge, their Advisory Committee is to study ways in which the County can be more efficient and can save money, and not to increase the budget, and that kind of thing. Page #5 Mr. Gil Mueller The Productivity Committee. Mr. Murdo Smith I think it's a 15 member Citizen Advisory Group that reviews different departments in certain years over budget process. They have been reviewing our department for about the last month, and one of the things that they have addressed very. . . What should I say? Every week almost that we've met with them is the consistency of charging at areas and not charging at others. We have to be consistent. They were looking at Barefoot Beach, and Bonita Beach as far as generating revenue at those facilities, and from what I heard this morning, they were looking at the possibility of charging some type of fee, and they would make that recommendation to this Board, or the Board of County Commissioners. I don't know how they go about they're. . . I think they work directly with the Board. Mr. Gil Mueller I think so! Mr. Murdo Smith I don't know if they have to come to this Board, or if they do a report that it would come to this Board. Mr. Gil Mueller I think that if they were things pertaining to Parks and Recreation, that they would go to this Board first. Mr. Murdo Smith That, I'm not sure about, I would have to check into that. Chairman Kobza They wanted to meet with us. Yes! They did want to meet with us before they did their report up to the County Board they wanted to meet with us. Mr. Gil Mueller When are they going to meet with us? Next meeting, or what? Chairman Kobza It would have to be soon. Mr. Murdo Smith Yes! Their report, I think is some type of written report has to be due into their Board on May 3rd, or something like that. Next week some time. So, probably at the next Advisory Board Meeting you might want to sit down and talk to them. Mr. Gil Mueller Well, Kim, I realize. . . Getting back to the comment that you made that this Park is going to be a long time before it's self supporting. Primarily the reason that it has just the minimal amount of parking spaces at this point. But, it would seem to me that to get it on it's way to becoming self supporting, that charging as you do in other parks would've been the logical thing to do. And, I just don't understand why the Commissioners. . . And I particularly don't understand why they didn't accept the Page #6 $40,000 from the Lely Corporation. They excuse that it's going to obligate them is pure nonsense, because this has been done many many times in the past. Chairman Kobza Every developer that walks in the door. Mr. Gil Mueller Absolutely! And you pointed out that the people across the street for example, donated to the entrance way here. That's just one example. I can think of many others. So that in itself was not a valid reason. I didn't really, well the VCR went out and I didn't catch that part of the Board of Commissioners. So, I'm not sure exactly what happened at that meeting. I don't understand why they don't do some of these things. They're so illogical. Mr. Murdo Smith I think Commissioners Shanahan brought up the point, just like that you said, Gil, that he was very much in favor of receiving that Donation. But because of the. . . I guess the public. . . Mr. Gil Mueller Why don't they want to take it? Just as additional. . . Point of information Murdo? Why don't they want to take the money from Lely? Mr. Murdo Smith From what I understand, a lot of people up there just think that they don't want to have anything to do with the Lely Development Corporation in any shape or form and they just don't want any money from them at all. Mr. Gil Mueller Well has the Lely Development Corporation been such a bad situation up there? It would seem to me. . . Ms. Geneva Till And they assured us, that they weren't going to have anything to do. . . Mr. Murdo Smith I thought is was a very generous offer myself. Mr. Gil Mueller They have added a tax base up there, that far exceeds any other area. And I don't know understand why we don't feel a little more kindly towards them. Chairman Kobza They've been great in cooperating with us, and they did our signs, . . . Mr. Gil Mueller Somebody has it in for the Lely Corporation apparently. Chairman Kobza Well, the whole group, the whole crew Bops. Mr. Gil Mueller Well, I don't understand why they didn't take that money. I don't understand why they aren't charging fees. And, I'm Page #7 not going to let it go. I'm going to keep pushing. Mr. Murdo Smith I think Kim, that the Commissioners left it open about charging a fee though, until such time as facilities and so forth were available up there. I think that was. . . So left the option open. Chairman Kobza The door is open. Mr. Gil Mueller What facilities were available. . . Mr. Murdo Smith We have our bath house, and so forth being. . . Mr. Gil Mueller Of course that $40,000 would have gone a long way towards the bath house. Chairman Kobza Let me just ask you. Are you satisified, Murdo, that the moneys are not coming out of your other operational moneys? Mr. Murdo Smith Yes! We have not a. . . As a matter of fact, we are saposed to be getting a report to the County Manager in the next week or so about how we are going to solve or not solve, staff the park and our other operational things, like placements of sign, and so forth. I have not heard to take the money out of our budget as it is, it'll come out of the reserves. Chairman Kobza So, they're going to give you additional moneys from some othere fund. Mr. Murdo Smith Some reserve. We were authorized one full time position. Ok. So that would be one Park Ranger, or whatever, to cover the hours that they were asked to cover. It's a lot of hours that we've got to cover with that one person. I don't know how we're going to do it. I'm sure the staff will come up with creative ways. Chairman Kobza Well, see and then can that person be used for the other parks. Mr. Murdo Smith During the Summer months, I think they'd be able to. Yes! Going up to one of the other beach parks they may be open, especially during the summer months when there is not that much activity out there. Chairman Kobza Boy! I tel you! Ok, how do you feel about this Task Force. What would you like to do? Ms. Geneva Till You mean the new Task Force? Chairman Kobza Right! Page #8 Ms. Geneva Till Well, that's what I said I wondered if Saunders just wasn't aware of what we're doing. Chairman Kobza Well actually it was both Ms. Geneva Till And I'm surprised at Max, that he just let that go by. I really am. He does know what we're doing here. Mr. Gil Mueller Yes! I'm surprised at Shanahan too, because he indicated the direct oposite to me two days before. Mr. Murdo Smith I would like to say, that the Commission knows about the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board is there. I really do. Because I think that one of the first things they always ask us, "Has this gone to the PARAB first?". Ms. Geneva Till Does Saunders ask that? Mr. Murdo Smith Just about everyone does. Ms. Geneva Till He's the one. . . Mr. Murdo Smith So, I think this board has got more credibility than they've ever had in the past. And, I think Kim can vouch for that. We've made a lot of progress. Mr. Gil Mueller Maybe we ought to bounce it back at them then. Mr. Murdo Smith I think what would be a good mixture, would be the Advisory Board, and maybe some private citizens. I think what Mr. Volpe wanted was a 15 member board or something like that. Mr. Gil Mueller Did he say specifically say how many people? I don't recall. Mr. Murdo Smith I think it was 15 or something like that. Chairman Kobza Well, I think that what we need to do, and I guess this kind of gets into a time question too. We need to consider as a Board, making a Resolution a recommendaiton to the County Board which would say that the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board has considered many of the issues addressed, or that are proposed to be addressed by the proposed Beach Task Force. And, that the members of the PARAB should be incorporated as members of the Task Force since they're at this time, the most knowledgeable on the issues. Ms. Geneva Till I'm not so sure that we should be incorporated with them, that they should be incorporated with us. It leans on where the priority is. Chairman Kobza Well, yes OK. Page #9 Ms. Geneva Till I don't exactly think that we should be incorporated with them, they should be incorporated with us if there is going to be a change. Mr. Gil Mueller Well, it's a seperate Task Force that Commissioner Volpe has recommended. Chairman Kobza Yes. And this hasn't passed by the way. The Task Force hasn't gone through. Mr. Gil Mueller No. Was that something that has to be approved by the County Commissioners? Chairman Kobza Yes. Maybe what we do, is we just say that the Board should be aware that we have considered many of these issues and made recommendations to the Board in the past, and we'll continue to make recommendations. In other words somehow we've got to let them know that we're addressing these issues. Ms. Geneva Till And you know what happened to the Naples Parks and Recreation. They've just been negated! Chairman Kobza Right! Well, I don't think the current Commission would let that happen with us. I'd be very surprised! Mr. Gil Mueller I don't think so either! Chairman Kobza But, I do think it's important that we drive this point home, and I don't know quite how we do it. Should we be saying that those issues should be coming directly back to us? Mr. Gil Mueller I don't know either as to how we should do it. Do you have any suggestions Murdo, as to how we go about this? You're familiar with all the portocal and the. . . Chairman Kobza I don't want to get Murdo into political hot water. Mr. Gil Mueller No. I don't want to get him into hot water either, but I don't it would hurt. . . Mr. Murdo Smith Do you want my personal or my professional opinion? Mr. Gil Mueller Whatever one you want to give. Mr. Murdo Smith My personal opinion on this would be, Yes, I think that the thing should come back to this Board. Because like Kim said, you guys have delt with just about all of them. And if they do want to add more members, maybe they can come to our meetings when you schedule them, and sit in here in this form and maybe you guys and discuss them. I think you Page #10 should be the lead roll, but possibly, if Commissioner Volpe wants to head it up, or whatever, as the Representatives for each Commissioners district. If they want to get other sub-committees, maybe possibly you guys should be in charge of getting the sub-conunittess in your districts, or whatever. . . . Mr. Gil Mueller Wouldn't it be extremely surprising though, if this Task Force did develope. And you said that is had to be approved by the County Commissioners? OK! That we would not be included? I can't imagine that they would not give us some strong consideration. Chairman Kobza Let tell you what I. . . One problem with that, is that I could see them saying OK well. . Just what they did on the Bonita Beach Task Force. Ok, we'll have the Chairman sit on this Beach Task Force. The problem with that is, I think we have a lot of points of view on our board. And I don't really feel comfortable saying that all my personal views are what the views of the board are. Now, usually I'm pretty good about it, where you know I moderate what I might believe to what I think the Board would decide. But you know what I'm saying? There are five points of view here, and they're pretty close, but they're not identical. Like, many times Gil, I've heard you raise issues that are not really where I would be coming from necessarily. But, they're things that I'd like to consider, you know, and think about. And the same with Geneva and the same with Cherryle. Mr. Gil Mueller Right! Well, I think that we should take some steps to involve ourselves. Chairman Kobza Well, what should I do then. Mr. Gil Mueller On the presumption that this thing is going to materialize. Chairman Kobza Well, I think that we need to do something, because it's on the road. Mr. Murdo Smith Could you write a letter to Commissioner Volpe expressing your concern that a. . . Chairman Kobza I'm going to do that anyway. Mr. Murdo Smith But, I mean as a board. And, you know, just say that if this Committee is formulated that you would very much like to have the members of the Advisory Board, since you've delt with all those issues, and . . . Mr. Gil Mueller . . . to give us the opportunity of sitting in on it, and being nominated as some of the members. Page #11 Chairman Kobza Why don't we do this? Why don't we consider a resolution that by which we express this concern to the County Board and then also in that resolution, authorize me to write a letter to each of the individual Commissioners of behalf of the Board which addresses that same concern. And specifically, we can propose that with respect to beach issues, if there's a task force established, we believe that the existing Parks & Recreation Advisory Board should form the core of that Task Force. And if they want. . . Ms. Geneva Till Don't put us in the secondary position, that's the one thing that I feel strongly about. Chairman Kobza OK! That their welcome to come here, and we listen to everything. Mr. Gil Mueller Well, let's put ourselves on. . . Certainly not in the secondary position, but certainly in a position of equal authority or equal voice. So we don't have a Task Force develope that will be stronger than we are. Because obviously that's what's happened. That's happened with this Task Force, and should not have happened. Ms. Geneva Till They should've been here with those people. . . . Ms. Cherryle Thomas I don know much about it to make an intelligent conversation over it, but I'm just saying that you do have five people that are on this Board, maybe four. . . . . .we should have a priority over any conversation or input first. Ms. Geneva Till Did those people that were here last time. . . Have they spoken to that group, or are they a part of that group? Mr. Gil Mueller Which people were you referring to Mrs. Till Chairman Kobza Yes! They're the leaders of that group. Ms. Geneva Till So that whole group could have been here. Chairman Kobza That's right! Ms. Geneva Till They come to our meetings, not necessarily us go to theirs. Chairman Kobza OK? Can we do that in a form of a Resolution. I think we all mentally are coming from the same direction here. Who wants to take a stab at it? Mr. Gil Mueller What you said a moment ago Kim, what was exactly what I was thinking. I'm not sure I could repeat what you said verbatim, but I'd like to make a resolution that you be authorized to write a letter to each of the County 0 Page #12 Commissioners pointing out our position on this, and our responsibility as far as beaches are concerned, and that we want to be involved in it. That we want to be included in any meetings, that we want to be represented, phrase that however you wish. Am I pretty well following your comments earlier? Chairman Kobza How about our recommendations be given priority, or that we form a core of any Task Force. Mr. Gil Mueller Form a core. Ok Chairman Kobza In other words that we're the nucleus of that Task Force. Mr. Gil Mueller . . .and I think you might substantiate that with pointing out to him that after all, we are the Parks & Recreation Board, and beaches are an integral part of our interest. Chairman Kobza OK. Let me see if I can restate that in a form of a Resolution. So then your resolution Gil, would be that. . . A Resolution in both the form of a Recommendation and an authorization to me, to write a letter on behalf of the A board, to each County Commissioner, the pupose of which is to express our position that because of our historical involvement in examination of the beach issues and parking fees, policys within our beach parks, etc. That we believe we are very familiar with those issues, and that we believe that we would be the appropriate form and nucleus of any Task Force which the County Board might appoint. Mr. Gil Mueller Initially you might say that it's your understanding that they might establish this Task Force, and that's the reason we're. . . . Chairman Kobza . . .we're responding to that. Mr. Gil Mueller . . .want to get involved at this early point. Chairman Kobza Does that. . . Ok Is that a Resolution? Mr. Gil Mueller That pretty much. Yes. Chairman Kobza OK Do we have a second to that? Ms. Geneva Till Oh. I'll second then. Chairman Kobza That's seconded by Mrs. Till. Is there any further discussion at all? OK Ms. Geneva Till Don't leave any loophole. Make it decisive what you're saying. Page #13 Chairman Kobza Well, I think we need to be firm about it. Because if we're not firm about it, here, we're going to. Shoot you know, if all we have to do is consider the Community Parks then, you know. . . Mr. Gil Mueller Well, you know it's as Murdo said a while ago, I agree, and I'm convinced too that present BCC is aware of this board, and I think that by enlarge they put some value on our Recommendations, but it concerned my a bit, when they descided to establish this Task Force that they were not considering someone from this Board being on that Task Force. Because I know, I got up and volunteered Kim. Chairman Kobza Drafted. Mr. Gil Mueller And I'm glad now, that it worked out that way, but I. . . As I say, I'm a little surprised that they didn't initiate that. Chairman Kobza OK. We have a motion and a second if there's no further discussion, all in favor signify by saying I. Any opposed? That motion carries unanimously. Mr. Gil Mueller Would you send us. . . Chairman Kobza . . .copies of the letter to everybody. Ok. I need everybody's address. Mr. Murdo Smith We can. . . Chairman Kobza Can you do that. Ok, that'll be great! Ramona, I think we need to have a fairly detailed minutes on that part, on that discussion for purposes of going to the Board. MINUTES COLLIER COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office May 22, 1991 PRESENT: Mr. Gill Mueller, Vice Chairman ABSENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas Ms. Geneva Till Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman (arrived at 2 : 00 p.m. ) I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 2:00 p.m. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Gil Mueller motioned to approve the minutes as prepared for the April 24, 1991 meeting. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the motion passed unanimously 3-0 IV. REQUESTS FOR DISCUSSION - SPECIFIC UPDATE ITEMS: There were none. V. NEW BUSINESS/PRESENTATIONS: A. IMPACT FEES--Amendment to Impact Fee Ordinance Mr. Dennis Cronin, Asst. County Attorney presented an Amendment to basically increase the Community Park and Regional Park Fees, and combine the Community Park Districts. The memo was based upon an update of the original study that was done by Henderson & Young and Co. and Jane Fitzpatrick was present. A participation survey was done for seven different activities, and it was based upon this analysis which generated the merger of the park districts. The actual fee increase considered is an increase in the Regional Park fees from its current $146. 00 per dwelling unit to $179.00 per dwelling unit. The Community Park district Impact fee increases from it's current $278. 00 to $399.00 per dwelling unit. A map was held up showing the proposed three districts. The districts were extended incorporating more of areas that were previously exempt from the Park impact fees including more of Golden Gate estates, including Marco Shores, and also including Orangetree. Mrs. Mary Ellen Donner, Recreation Superintendent was present to explain the data for underlying the merger of the districts and their expansion. Their was cross-participation between districts which justifies the merger into one district. Chairman Kobza expressed his concerns of how the expansion would effect the North Naples area, it being one of the fastest growing areas in Collier County today and having a substantial impact fee balance. The concern was that impact fees would be taken 1 AMMIIIIMIMW 0 from his area or from the other facilities in North Naples, and basically being able to use them in other areas (i.e. for new construction in Golden Gate) . Ms. Jane Fitzpatrick from Henderson & Young and Company explained the history of the establishment of the districts when the original impact fee ordinance was adopted in 1988 , and reasons for the change. With the new district, their would be one pot of money as apposed to seperate pots of money. The planning portion is to come up with a capital improvements to meet the needs of that district. You have one pot of money and a measurement of what facilities are needed in each of the Community Parks in there would be the second phase, or the planning of how to spend that money. If the growth is indeed in the North Naples area and that area is becoming deficient in facilities to meet the standard that the impact fees are based on then the money will be spent there as apposed to someplace where there isn't a need within that district. Chairman Kobza commented that she couldn't gaurantee us that, that it's a political perogitive. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that on the five year Growth Management Plan that we have in place right now, different facilities are pinpointed for different locations throughout the County (i.e. baseball fields, shuffleboard corts. . . ) . Those facilities will still be built in those community park sites, and if the impact fee mony is used they will still be used in those area. Chairman Kobza's concern was that the impact fee monies remain designated for the park sites in which they were originally designated. Impact fee moneys can only be spent for growth related expenditures. They can not be used to bring a park up to the level of service, or to fund 100% of park improvements. In the updates, they reviewed the district issue, had the Parks & Recreation Department do a survey, asked for an update of the unit costs (park acres, boat ramps, tennis courts, etc. ) , and Wilson Miller Barton & Peek reviewed each facility and assured that all the costs were included that would be charged to impact fees including water & sewer, also a credits determination was updated. The level of service has not been changed as they exist in the comprehensive plan with the exception of the Recreation Facilities. This would require an amendment to the plan, and the standard for the facilities not the land is based upon the inventory value per capita which is currently in the plan as $122 . 00. That should be updated every year to keep up with inflation. Marco area is District #2 . Community Park impact fees would not be collected on Marco Island, because the facilities exceed the standards. This is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and the Parks & Recreation element. The increase in the impact fee is based on the increased costs to provide those facilities. Mary Ellen Donner explained that we took our largest programs that we offer, and did a survey of where the participants in those programs came from. What we found consistenly throughout was in the smaller districts as they exist presently, drew from outside their boundaries. A total of 1535 registrations were done for six different programs. Simply because we draw county wide, we combined three districts into one. 2 of the 3 Charts were shown. There were more people coming from outside of the districts to participate in the various programs than were coming from inside of the respective districts. The six programs that we looked at were Men's Winter Softball, Flag Football, Cheerleading, A Nature Interpretive Program, A Summer Camp Program, and Swimming. It was 114, 2 suggested to do this Survey on an annual basis to validate the district boundaries and to facilitate locations of programs where the demand is. It should be updated as a part of the Impact Fee update, as least as often as that is updated. Chairman Kobza was concerned that the expansion and simplification of these disctricts is and excellent Idea, but was concerned that people have paid impact fees with one set of expectations, and expenditures have been made according to that set of expectations, and now we're changing those rules after the people have made the dedications. Some of the developers in North Naples have paid tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of impact fees. Chairman Kobza suggested that current fund balances, whatever those might be, be allocated to the district in which they were derived in the old plan, but from this day forward that new impact fees be allocated to the new district boundaries. Mr. Dennis Cronin commented that the merger of these districts does not change those capital improvements that's scheduled in those areas. Chairman Kobza commented that there is not question from a theoretical basis I really don't have a problem with that proposal, but in practice budgeting just is not that presice. I think the availability of funds is the controlling or driving force a lot of the times in those budget descisions. I can visualize those fund balances being taken for the next urgency for whatever part of the county it's in. Number one is almost a regional district. Jane Fitzpatrick commented that the current fund balances should be admitted at this point in the County's five year plan or it should be earmarked for specific projects at this point. Ms. Geneva Till believes this is a fair way of doing it. Mr. Murdo Smith made the recommendation that Jane and Dennis has made of increasing the impact fees and going to one district. Chairman Kobza suggested that is we had that one understanding that moneys currently in the fund balances would serve the facilities that are planned in those existing districts, he would completely support this concept. Mr. Dennis Cronin said that he wasn't opposed to that, and is certainly an acceptable proposal. No public discussion. Chairman Kobza suggested that he would go along with the motion for support of the Ordinance if it was with the understanding that existing fund balances be expended for facilities currently planned for the existing districts in which they were derrived and that all future impact fee collected be collected according to the Ordinance and according to the districts as are proposed. Mr. Gil Mueller asked when this is going to be presented to the BCC, and if PARAB has the opportunity to give this some further thought. Mr. Murdo Smith informed PARAB that tonight is the final meeting on the public hearings. So the new district would extend from Barefoot beach to Avalon Elementary School. This study was done last fall, and used last fall 's programs and Summer Camp from last summer. Mr. Murdo Smith reminded PARAB that this subject was discussed at the Joint City/County PARAB meeting in 1990. Mr. Gil Mueller said that he did not recall. Mr. Gil Mueller said that in lieu of the situation, Chairman Kobza's suggestion is probably the most practical. He made the recommendation in favor of it providing it doesn't impair present funds, designation of present funds will not be altered. Mr. Murdo Smith informed PARAB of the fund balances. North Naples is 1. 6 million, Golden Gate is 1. 3 million, East Naples is 300 thousand, Immokalee has 36 thousand, and South Naples has about 3 1 million and the Urban district has approximately 400 thousand. Chairman Kobza what we would be basically be doing is relying upon future discreation of what the Board would be doing. Is having future discreation to say moneys already in existing fund balances could be spent anywhere. As it sits right now. What Chairman Kobza suggested, is rather than. . . Because that's provided by the comprehensive plan. What's provided by the comprehensive plan is that we have facilities that are targeted for each of the Community Parks and we know what those are saposed to be basically. But, if you lock in existing fund balances, then basically what we're saying is to the extent that moneys have been raised to this point those are spent in fact for those facilities and that's the understanding before we change the ordinance and that's the policy. Chairman Kobza emphasized that this is an important descision, and this is really going to impact how moneys are spent over the course of the next five to ten years. Ms. Geneva Till motioned that we (PARAB) accept this Impact Fees with the understanding that the money that is there now will be spent in that particular area, district. Chairman Kobza formalized the motion to read: That we (PARAB) recomend to the County Board acceptance and adoption of the proposed impact fee ordinance with the consolidation and expansion of the impact fee districts as their proposed subject to the policy or requirement that existing fund balances be allocated to the improvements designated in the comprehensive plan, for each of the currently existing impact fee districts. Mr. Gil Mueller seconded the motion, and it passed unanimously 3-0 aB. GOLDEN GATE LITTLE LEAGUE--Request for additional Baseball field at Golden Gate Community Park. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that a couple of months ago we had the President of the Golden Gate Little League come before us requesting the construction of an additional Baseball field here at Golden Gate Park for his organization. At that time, PARAB told Mr. Fink to come back in May to appear before the board. Mr. Fink's representative Howard Egalka, presented the desires of the Golden Gate Little League. Mr. Egalka is the Treasurer for the Golden Gate Little League. Their league grew dramatically this year. In the 1990 season they had approximately 475 children playing baseball. This year, they had 614, During the 1991 season, 43 teams participated in this league. Our T-ball program played on a make-shift diamond on the soccer fields for a large portion of their season. Their Girls' Softball program coordinated with leagues in East Naples, North Naples, and Downtown Naples to play games with them at their fields for approximately 2/3 ' s of their games. Their Minor League Baseball teams played one game every third week, enstead of Little League recommendations of two games per week. All the shortages of playing fields had a significant impact on the kids being able to play baseball and softball in their community on a regular basis. They anticipate a six to ten percent growth rate next year in their registration. This will add approximately 35-60 children to their program which will further create field availability problems. It is because of these problems, that the Board of Directors of the Golden Gate Little League ask for PARAB's support in construction of another Little League field at the 4 Golden Gate Community Park. The little league program gives boys and girls from the ages of six to 15 the opportunity to participate in an organized and well supervised activity to keep them off the streets and out of trouble. Ms. Geneva Till was 100% in favor of the growth, but she is still in favor of the Palm Street Park being utilized by kids playing baseball. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that on a night where we have Little League going and everything else at the Golden Gate Community park, you can't even find a parking space in the park. There's people all over the football/soccer field, all the diamonds are going, and it is very busy. Mr. Gil Mueller asked Murdo is he finds the two baseball diamonds on Marco being utilized to that degree. Mr. Murdo Smith said no. The Baseball Diamond that we have at Winterberry, we have a restriction on that to play two nights per week. That was passed by the Board of County Commissioners in 1986 or so. The Little League can not play on Sundays, but they do play on Saturdays. They are utilizing that ball diamond every Saturday. The Little League does use the ball diamond at Tommie Barfield School and we do not have those restrictions there. Taking into consideration the restriction at Winterberry, Tommie Barfield is probably being utilized more than Winterberry is. Mr. Gil Mueller believes that those two facilities are not being used to the maximum extent that they could be. The Golden Gate Little League can not travel to Marco Island to play in their league. Their charter restrictions say that they have to play within their own general community, which would be the Golden Gate area. In Collier County, there are four different Little Leagues. There is Golden Gate Little League, there is North Naples Little League, there is the Greater Naples Little League, and there is Gulf Coast Little League (East Naples, Lely, and Marco area) . Golden Gate Little League is the biggest one in the County so far. If this other field is built out here, that would relieve a lot of pressure. They can not at this point play any All Star games here which cuts their revenues. Because there are 300 foot fences here, it has to be a Little League 200 foot fence. We hope that will be done and taken into consideration. To get kids from Golden Gate, or parents that work in Downtown Naples, to Golden Gate to pick up their children, to East Naples, or to Marco on a 5:30 game is near to impossible. Mr. Gil Mueller doesn't it seem illogicall that the two parks might not be used to their maximum degree, and be vacant at a given period of time, and in an adjoining district you have to build another ball park that isn't really all that far away. That doesn't make sense to him. It is a matter of the kids having a place to play or not having a place to play, wouldn't Little League Baseball be a little flexible in that respect. If we scheduled the game in Marco, if we worked out and arrangement to play a game in Marco, then we would have to reciprocate, and they would have to come out here. So you would also have the people on Marco saying that I can't make it out to here for a certain period of time or this period of time. They do play 2 games a night, it's not just one game. There is a 5: 30 game and a 7:30 game. The kids have to be off the field by 9:30-9: 45 latest at night. So, to back up that game an hour or half and hour, to let these parents go home, pick up their children, get out, would put these kids back into their homes either from the Golden Gate area, or from the Marco area until after 10: 30 at night. Please realize we do play from March through May. It's hard to justify this to parents 5 who live, let's say a mile from here, that they should travel to Marco. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that there's two baseball facilities within the growth management plan that were saposed to be constructed last year. In the Capital Improvement Budget this year, I have included them, in the process for bugetary consideration. I have not had the review yet with the County Manager to see if those facilities will or won't be built. There's a whole bunch of facilities that we have, that have been deferred for the last couple of years that we bring forward every year to be built. The two ballfields were one of those items. One for Golden Gate, and one for North Naples. We've had basically the same request from the North Naples Little league to construct a field up there for them. Because of their overcrowding and do forth. They would like, again, to keep it at that centralized location where all the games can be played, and this is where you go to. Chairman Kobza asked what the posibility is of funding those with impact fees. Mr. Murdo Smith said that it would be very possible. Chairman Kobza commented that in general, in Advelorum taxes, we have 1.5 million in North Naples, 1. 3 million in Golden Gate, and since that's not really doing anything sitting there, let's put it to some use. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that it was budgeted in the General Obligation 306 Fund. However, he will check at the budget review, and so forth, to see if it can come out of Impact Fee monies. That would be a question that he would have to ask of the Budget Office or the County Attorney's Office. Ms. Geneva Till motioned that we provide an additional baseball field at the Community Park here in Golden Gate. Chairman Kobza asked how the L. L. field utilization rates at North Naples compare to the Golden Gate ones. Mr. Fink replied that the (;) Golden Gate Little League uses the field five nights a week from 5:30 to 9: 30, Saturdays from 9:30 a.m. til sometimes theire last game finishes at 9: 00 p.m. The two softball, baseballs fields, at times I the Babe Ruth field and the soccer field is utilized from 9: 00 a.m. til 3:00 p.m. As a comparison, he was not sure of the participation in North Naples. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that he knows that they are at least using one field every night of the week at North Naples, the Elementary School, and Seagate on Saturdays and some nights during the week. Their group is just about as big as Golden Gate, and are also looking for places to play in that area. Ms. Geneva Till commented that you have to have adults that are willing to help these kids, and we should encourage all of this. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that they all agree with that. Mr. Gil Mueller asked if it would be practical to have a 6:00 p.m. game on Marco Island. Mr. Fink replied that with 43 teams you have to schedule two games per night. So, if you backed up 6: 00 p.m. the second one wouldn't start until 8: 00, it doesn't get them off the field until 10: 00 or after, it doesn't get them home by 9:45 p.m. A baseball game is two hours long. Mr. Gil Mueller suggested shelving this until the next meeting, and would personally not cast his vote to recommend to the Board that they should proceed with this, til he is convinced that all of these ball diamonds are being used to their maximum, rather than spend more tax payers money to add another one. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that he thinks it would be extremely difficult to have people from the Golden Gate area travel per say down to Marco to play a Little League game. Their games start at 5:30 or 6: 00 at night down there. The Little League down there at Tommie Barfield are using that facility either 3 6 or 4 nights per week already. We also have our programs that we run such as Co-ed Softball, Over 35 Softball, down there etc. and Babe Ruth is also using the Winterberry Ballfield at night. That just limits it to the early games that we could have down there. To ask a person to travel from Golden Gate down to Marco to have a game, there is doubt that the little league parents would like to do that. It would take too long. There is only one othere facility that we have closere, and that is the East Naples Community Park. It is being used four nights a week right with just one program, the Gulf Coast Little league has it the other 2-3 days a week. So, that field is basically booked. The Gulf Coast Little League has their own faciltiy with two fields that they use every night of the week and all day on Saturday. The current cost of a Little League is just under $400, 000 depending upon lights, and so on. However, the Golden Gate field would be more, and shouldn't be added without the additional 100 car parking lot to the east side of the park. Because without the parking lot, it you put a field here with the parking problems that we have here already, we'd never to be able to get a parking space here at all. The cost of it would be about $100, 000. Mobile fences was suggested to modify the larger field to playable size, however, staff has not seen one yet that is good enought to put out there. They have a lot of liability problems, a lot of maintenance concerns, and there's potential for people tripping over the sleeves in the ground, and then maintenance taking them out and putting them in. So, no we don't have the capability right now to modify one of those facilities. Chairman Kobza suggested that in terms of a motion, he would support constructing the fields out of Golden Gate and North Naples out of Impact Fee moneys. The Impact fee money, because it's scheduled improvement, it's got 1. 3 million sitting there. Utilize the Impact fee money of 400, 000 so you'd have a fund balance of 900, 000. In North Naples you have a fund balance of 1. 1 million and that way you don't get into the tax payer discussion, and it is consistent with the comprehensive plan. At Tommie Barfield Gil, Girls softball is using it 2 nights a week (Tuesdays and Wednesdays) , the Little League is using it 2 nights a week (Monday and Friday) , and Men's 35 & Over softball is on Thursdays. That's not including practices. So, it's pretty well booked every night of the week except for Saturday. Mr. Gil Mueller suggested moving Men's softball to daylight hours and maybe squeeze in Little League on Thursday night. In the Men's Softball League you've got people who work during the day, and don't get off until 5: 00 or so. Mr. Gil Mueller I was referring to Saturdays or Sundays. First suggestion. Second suggestion. Could we recommend to the BCC that Winterberry's usage be increased? To him it is ludicrous to have a beautiful ballfield with thousands and thousands of dollars invested of tax payers money, and lights, and only be able to utilize it 2 nights out of 7 . It doesn't make sense! Mr. Murdo Smith commented that there was a concern from residents on Marco Island that the lights were to bright. So we went down and modified the lights, and it has helped somewhat. The restriction should be looked at again. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that this was a very, very small local group that made this happen, and he wonders whether or not PARAB shouldn't bring it up again. Staff will put this on the June Agenda for discussion. Ms. Geneva Till commented that she made a motion a while ago for the additional baseball field at the 7 , ' (171)I fi Golden Gate Community Park, and to add to that motion that this be built from our impact fee money that we have for Nort Naples and Golden Gate, and not from Advelorum Taxes. Chairman Kobza rephrased the motion to read: To make the recommendation to the County Board to go forward with construction of the Little League Ballfields in Golden Gate and North Naples, and using impact fee money to finance construction of those facilities, and the Golden Gate facility will have the additional parking that was suggested. Mr. Gil Mueller suggested adding the stipulation that we continue to look into the possibility of altering this so that the fields on Marco for example can be utilized to the maximum. Mr. Gil Mueller seconed Ms. Geneva Till 's motion. No further discussion. That motion passes unanimously. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that further analysis and investigation of the utilization or the revision of how these games are arranged, the time factors, etc. be reviewed. Also that PARAB discuss again the restrictions as far as Winterberry ballfield is concerned at the next meeting. Ms Geneva Till seconded the motion. Chairman Kobza rephrased the motion to read: Number one, to make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners that we investigate the utilization of all our facilities, and to maximize the utilization of all our facilities in our parks. Number two, that we are going to as a Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, place items on our agenda as relates to Winterberry and Palm Springs Parks specifically. The motion was seconded by Chairman Kobza, and it passed unanimously with a 3-0 vote. ,„ D. Dedication of North Naples Community Park At previous Board of County Commissioner meetings, there was a discussion about naming one of our Community Parks in honor of Veterans. The ideas was brought that the North Naples Community Park would be dedicated that way, and Mr. Lou Schultz with our Veterans Department has been working with the County Commission. Mr. Schultz was present to give PARAB a briefing about what was to happen on Memorial Day at our Community Park in North Naples which has been designated to become the Veterans Park for Collier County. Some renditions for some memorials for the site were presented. We presently have 20, 000 War-time Veterans that reside on a permanent basis in Collier County. During season, 38,000. For many years we've had a veterans memorial in Cambier Park, but we've had no such facility in a County Park. We felt that it was only fitting and proper to construct the memorial to honor all veterans, past, present, and future, Male and Female, who served this Country. The design will be very simplistic in nature with the possibility of phasing in over a couple year period of time, additional phases. The first phase again, very simplistic, very serene, accomodated right in nature. We've wanted to install, and construct it without destroying any native vegetation. A rock in the middle of a platform with a memorial that says dedicated to the memory of all Veterans, Male & Female, past, present, and future. Have a couple of meditation benches on the side. A parkway coming up to it. This will be about 25 feet in diameter. So, it's not that large. This first phase will hopefully be constructed within the next year. What the Junior Chamber of Commerce is proposing, through the Commissioners, it that the first year. This memorial day, which will be Monday, May 27th. That immedialtely 8 following the services conducted at Naples Memorial Park, to conduct at 1: 30 in the afternoon in North Naples Park a dedication renaming the park to Veterans Park. The program will consist of primarily of a couple of key note speaches and it will last less than a half an hour. In the coming year, the Junior Chamber of Commerce, in conjunction with other Veterans, and Civic and Paternal Organizations hopes to raise the money to eventually construct the second phase. The Second phase will consist of passive walkways in the remainer of the property with additional meditation benches as well as placques. For example the first plaque will honor World War I Veterans of Collier County, World War II, and all the way around. Eventually the Concept is to ultimately add an Ampetheatre. An area just west of the Volleyball courts is the area picked for the memorial. It is about an acre. At present time there is not planned pathes between the Community Center, and the softball fields. The reason is because staff felt that the Community Center is going to be active at night and if the softball players found out that it's closer to the softball fields if you park in the Community Center parking lot they would probably use that completely. This way we're going to try to make them go to the other parking lot so that they have to walk down to the softball fields and leave the parking that's available to the community center to the community center. A path will be cleared out and mulched, however, so campers, etcl can walk through there. The Memorial walkways would not connect to the community center. They would be on their own. The Naples Jaycees are looking forward to this as a gift to the Community by going out and raising the funds, working with other groups. Essentially the Naples Jaycees will be coordinating the overall fund drive to put this together over the next year or two that these spaces are built. That is the primary interest is getting the funding in place from the Community without going to the BCC with that. Basically they just need approval. The Jaycees will be responsible for construction. The specifics have not yet been worked out. This will fall under our maintenance program. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he feel this is a marvelous idea. Their emphasis is to honor all wars, all veterans with no particular emphasis on one particular war. There have been many that have seen very little appreciation, and this is a way of encompasing all of them. The park's official name will be "Veterans' Park" but underneath perhaps there will be another subname of North Naples. Chairman Kobza commented that we'd be honored to have it named Veteran's Park. Chairman Kobza repeated his opinion that our entryway is just decrepid, and if we are going to support this concept, that he would like to see us improve the entryway to that park. Since they're four-laning Immokalee Road, we can't do it right away. But, after or maybe in conjunction with the four laning of Immokalee we can improve that entry way. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we have no problem with that. There will be some cost involved in new signs. Chairman Kobza expressed his concerns that there is not irrigation to the entry point. Mr. Murdo Smith suggested using some of the effluent since we've started using it at our park up there now. We are looking at nothing other than the design concept at this stage. Chairman Kobza expressed his support for this concept, and that a resolution through our board to the County Commissioners indorsing the project would be very appropriate. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that we present a resolution/recommendation to the County Board to accept this 9 concept and progress fully to the extent that they've given it to us today. Ms. Geneva Till seconded the motion and that motion passed unanimously 3-0. C. INTERVIEW OF APPLICANTS--to fill vacancy on PARAB District Four We've received two applications, and both applicants were present for interviewing. Mrs. Carol Pahl was interviewed first. Mrs. Pahl owns an Employment Agency, and has been in business here in Naples for 11 years now. She has very recently served on an Advisory Board for the County Commissioners under Martha Skinner. When her time was up for reappointment, she chose not to ask for reappointment. She really was not that interested in the committee that she was on. At the same time an opening became available in Parks and Recreation's Advisory Board, so she submitted her resume. She has had some experience about 11 years ago in the City of Rockville, working closely with the Mayor, with their Community Development Program, and their Parks and Recreation Dept. She enjoyed it very much! After that she moved to Florida. To her, Collier County has been very very good to her, and really feels that she would like to make a contribution. She is active in Tennis, was active with sever children in her family in Competitive Swimming, have delt with a lot of pools and tennis courts. She feels that she could bring some input in. She also said that sitting in the meeting was very interesting, and really beats reading two years worth of minutes. This was a real education for her, and really enjoyed it! Mrs. Pahl commented that she has a perfect attendance record with the former advisory committee that she was on. Secondly she is now in the position where she has an excellent staff in her office, and does have the freedom and latitude that she can leave that office and know it's in good hands and attend meetings. She does not work with the County or the City at all, they have their own Human Resources Department so there wouldn't be a conflict there. She is very active with the Chamber of Commerce, and is on the environmental review committee and works closely with the City of Naples within that Environmental Review Committee. She does not reside within the City Limits of Naples. She feels that such things as impact fees, fees charged for the utilization of park facilities, etc. are a necessary evil. That if you didn't have impact fees, the next thing you'd have is moratoriums. It is a rapidly growing area, and it does require a lot of services. She thinks that new people moving in should pick up some of the burden. She loves having beach access, and feel the beach is for everybody. She lives right smack on the boundary. Right across the street from her, is the City of Naples. She lives in the Sunbrella building, Northern Trust is directly across the street, right on U.S. 41. She was not at all encouraged by a Commissioner to apply for this position. Mr. Rodney E. Thralls, Broker was the second person to be interviewed. His interest in applying for the job was based upon a flyer that came through the Board of Realators. His wife and him own their own Real Estate Co. entitled Thralls & Thralls, Inc. He has raised four children, two which graduted from Naples High School. He does live in the City, and his late wife of 40 years died in 1988. He is now remarried, and has a stepson in Little League. The last two seasons, he has been on every one of these fields quite frequently and knows of the parking situation and the timing. Categorically, if you want to 10 r • 1 have 100 women in here, mothers, change the schedule. This is a warning. Anytime you fool with a Little League schedule, you've got mothers, and all kinds of problems. It is a very tuff situation, 5:30 games, and 7: 30 games. They overlap. Usually the second game is cut i short. If they run out of time, they cut it off, and they don't even get to finish the full seven innings depending upon what level they're in. He is a retired Military veteran, from Korea and Vietnam. Attendance would not be a problem at all for him. He works primarily in Commercial Investments. The elected candidate would fill the Vacant position for the rest of Steve's term. Then in December, would i have to be reappointed again. Mr. Thralls has no problem with impact fees. He thinks that the Advelorum taxes, real estate taxes. . .keeps creating a bigger base. You do have situations, even now, increasing prices or sale prices in demand for homes, you'll find people in Port Royal who are on a fixed income, retired, things all around them went up sky high. It's to the point now where the taxes are such, that they're forced to sell, and they never dreamt that would happen. That happened in California and a 3 . . .% cap went right off. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that he knows of instances on Marco Island, where people are being forced to sell their homes because of escalating cost in taxes. Mr. Thralls commented that with the caps that might come, he can see why funds for recreational facilities must come from some other source. Mr. Gil Mueller said that he agreed. Mr. Thralls went on to say, that those that use the facilities should at least pay a fee. Administratively, he doesn't know how much of that gets passed back to the Maintenance part of it. He notices that the parks are well maintained. He has been to other parks in other counties, and they are just not clean. He does not see any conflicts with what he Ire does and the board. Chairman Kobza suggested that where we have park facilities, and there is potential development around those facilites, sometimes Mr. Thralls would be the first to know of that development (i.e. the boat ramp site) . Mr. Gil Mueller stressed the importance of the consistency of attendance. That we've had some problems, and that attendance to as many meetings as he can is an absolute must. Mr. Gil Mueller also stressed that PARAB doesn't alway meet in the same place. Chairman Kobza commented that he thought that Mrs. Pahl would add more balance to the Board. Mrs. Pahl does live within the district. There's part of the District that is not City of Naples, and she's in it, south of Pine Ridge. That's the part of the district that was going to be annexed by the City. Mr. Gil Mueller had a suggestion of accepting both of these individuals, and somehow having the one replace our fellow member who is absent 95% of the time. Mr. Murdo Smith basically every board member has had someone from their district participate on the advisory board. It's not to say that you can't have someone from one area, but usually that's the way it's been if you're in that district. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that that he is not saying to have two people represent District 4, he's saying to have A either represent District 5 or the second person be a member at large. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that once PARAB gets this other person on board, that at least they'll have four members there most of the time. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that it would be nice to have five members, and it would be very helpful. Ms. Geneva Till commented that a letter to Commissioner Anne Goodnight might be a way to go. Chairman Kobza commented that he is going to write the letter, and 11 Murdo provided him with the attendance record. Chairman Kobza commented, "The City of Naples Planning and Advisory Board has a system where they have two alternates. The Alternates sit in on the discussion and they ask questions. In the event that someone else isn't there, a regular member, then that alternate can vote. That's a way to do it, possibly. " It was suggested to consider the idea of making a recommendation to amend the ordinance to provide two alternate members who can vote in the absence of a regular member and who will actually sit in on the discussion. Ms. Geneva Till will call Ms. Anne Goodnight. Ms. Geneva Till motioned that we accept Mrs. Carol Pahl as a member for District 4. Mr. Gil Mueller commented that it might not be a bad idea to recommend to the Commissioners an alternate member be considered. The Board hates to lose this gentleman. Chairman Kobza commented that he would like a staff report on that too, if we make that kind of recommendation. Mr. Gil Mueller seconded Ms. Geneva Till 's motion on the provision that we petition the board to allow us to appoint and alternate "at large" member in the event of absences sickness, etc. because both of these people are highly qualified and we don't want to discourage them. the motioned passed unanimously. Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that we petition the BCC to allow us to appoint an alternate and allow us to suggest that we accept Mr. Thralls as an Alternate, or "Member At Large" to fill in at the time of absence or sickness, etc. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the second motion passed unanimously. Note: There was a 5 minute intermission at 4: 30 p.m. E. Budget--1991/92 fiscal year The first page that we submitted to the budget office this year deals with the General Fund that's things for Parks & Recreation Admin. , Parks and Other Properties (which is basic Park Maintenance) . You've also got Beach and Water Operations, and Recreation in there. Our salaries for 1990/91 were $1, 681,700. Our salaries for 1991/92 will be $1, 819,800. That's about a 7.5% increase, which was right in line with the budget recommendations. That's no increased staffing levels, however that does include the new Ranger position that we received for Barefoot Beach Park. One new position. That will cost about $16, 000 a year. Benefits run about 28-30 percent. We will then have 4 full time Rangers plus one at the Preserve which will make it five. In the expanded request, we have asked for an additional Park Ranger. So, this $1,819, 800 does not include the expanded request. It will include a 7.5% increase in salaries. It is not distributed evenly, across the board. It can be a 5% to a 10% annual increase, however the budget just basically figures at 7 .5%, so they figure there will be some 10, some 5, and it will balance out to 7. 5% The 5-10% raise is determined by the employee's evaluation. If he's done everything that's in his goals and objectives above and beyond what he's supposed to do. The employee's supervisor determines that, and is also the person to review the employees. Then it is passed up to the Supervisor's Supervisor to do his review of it and give the final approval. PARKS & PROPERTIES. These are Advelorum Capital Projects for 1991/92 . We have Building Improvements -- Bayview Park Restrooms as one item. Improvements General -- we're going to replace approximately 3 playground structures at some of our parks. 12 Landscaping -- Tommie Barfield that's resodding the outfield down there and doing some improvements to the fence on that softball field. Fencing Improvements to the East Naples Community Park. That was a fencing improvement to the back side of the property to keep motorcycles and four-wheel drives out of our park because they keep coming in one of our roads back there. Lighting System Improvements -- general repairs and upgrades. That's if we need any new balasts, etc. we usually keep some money for that. Tennis & Basketball Improvements -- the majority of that money will be for improvements at the Racquet Club on Marco. I believe we have at least 3 courts that the back half of them are sinking. Poincinana needs to have a basketball court redone, so we're going to do that also. Mr. Gil Mueller asked about the additional boat launching facility near the bridge on Marco that Murdo brought up last meeting. Mr. Mueller also wanted to know if it would make more sense to plan to enlarge the present launching facility as apposed to putting in another smaller one. From the standpoint of perhaps in the future charging for this. Mr. Murdo Smith commented, as requested, he sent a memo to the Real Property Department to investigate if there's any additional land on the East side of 951. We received a response back from them saying it was owned by the state and in order to have the state review it we would have to come up with some type of plan showing what we wanted to do. So Gary Franco is in the process of getting a plan put together for 951 so we may be able to increase the parking. Also, the Productivity Committee recommended that we institute some type of Boat Launch Fee at all our boat ramps just to be basically consistent throughout the county. What we did, is come up with the idea of going ahead and having a Parking Meter Fee at all our other facilities, at Bayview, 951, and Lake Trafford. Just for the lack of anything else at the present time, we couldn't think of anything else to come up with. We decided to just go with parking meters and hopefully get a $2 .00 a day fee at those facilities. Chairman Kobza suggested that before we spend a lot of parking meters. He was in Vancouver, British Columbia at Stanley Park. Which is one of the world's largest metropolitan parks. They, rather than putting having all parking meters, they had a central dispencer where you put a dollar in or whatever the fee was, you got your ticket, and then displayed it in your windshield inside the car. So rather than having all those parking meters, they had one dispencer. He thought that was a neat idea, and kept it from looking like a parking lot. Chairman Kobza asked if we could try to do something similar. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we had something simalar to that at one of our meetings that was demonstrated. But, that one had a time restriction on it, and it was very expensive, and it was more complex than what Chairman Kobza was referring to. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we only have 43 spaces that we have to meter, and the cost is about $8, 000 (about $200 a piece) for the meters, and anticipate being able to make that back within the first year. The Productivity Committee wants to up the parking fee at beach accesses also. PARAB will be getting a written report from the Productivity Committee. BEACH & WATER. Swimming only areas throughout the County. Those are pilings designating that this is an "Only Swimming Area" so boaters, etc. can't come in. Tigertail Improvements - I believe that we are going to replace some of the benches, hutches, and some signage that we have 13 • r......... down there. Maintenance Improvements for Marco would have to come out of Advelorum Taxes. These are maintenance items. Marco doesn't have an impact fee, because the amount of facilities etc. based on the population there. . . Marco Island exceeds the standards that were set up by the County as far as so many things per 1, 000 people. We don't have an impact fee for Maintenance, because impact fees only cover growth related items, and you can recoup the one time capital cost of equipment etc. on impact fees, but after that you have to maintain it on advelorum taxes. Remittance to Municipalities -- That is payment to the City of Naples for the beach parking program that they have. The little stickers. We've always budgeted the 96.2, and that was what we were told to budget again this year, because they are not sure exactly how much money it will be. We pay the City of Naples for the beach parking program that they have. Ms. Geneva Till commented that she uses that all the time. Once a week at least! Just so the beaches are kept up! That's important! So, anybody in Collier County can get a sticker for free to use the beaches of Naples, and everyone in Collier County can get a permit for a fee to use the County beaches. FUND 111. That's Immokalee MSTD. Salaries is the $261, 000, Operating is the $138 , 000, and the Capital is $53 , 000. MSTD is the Multiple Service Taxing District for Immokalee and Everglades City. They pay for this funding out there. It is for regular Parks and Maintenance services, but outside of the basic Naples area. Because of the double taxation law a few years ago where the City though they shouldn't be double taxed. That's when this was brought up, that Immokalee and Everglades City should be seperate and in their own budget. Everglades City does have one baseball field. It doesn't Q meet the requirements of the new field that we've built, but it does have lights. It's on a High School site, and basically just the High School uses it down there. We go down and maintain it about once or twice a year for them. This is in Commissioner Goodnight's District. The Expanded Requests are construction projects that we have put in the budget for this year based on the Growth management requirements and other items that feel that we need to provide additional service to the County. The first one is the Park Ranger. That is for one Park Ranger, a vehicle, outfitting his truck and so forth, outfits are uniforms. That's what the total cost of that person and program would be for one year. The truck is about $15,000, then you add in a uniform and some supplies that they need, you've got to have mileage reimbursement, communications (radios) . That will allow us to get into Districting. That would be like a Ranger almost for Marco Island, where we could have one stationed all the time. And in each District, Golden Gate would have their own, Immokalee would have their own, North Naples would have their own, and East Naples would have their own, and their Supervisor would float between all of them. Chairman Kobza asked if we have one person on the beach as beach supervision, like at Vanderbilt all the time. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we have a Parking Lot Attendant, but there's not someone on the beach all the time. Bob Legler is our Beach & Water Supervisor and his base of operation is Tigertail. But he is in charge of all the Parking Lot attendants throughout the County. He will make periodic runs (once a week) to all the facilities. Chairman Kobza asked what the posibility is of implimenting a program of beach I 4:_. supervision. Can that be a Park Ranger function? The City of Naples 14 41," always has people on the beach. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that they also have to look at it from a perspective that Park Rangers are also responsible for Community Parks. So, what we'd have to do is look at it from a standpoint of, do we want them on the beaches all the time, or do we want them in the parks, because the City of Naples, at the their Community Parks, I believe that they also have some type of arrangement their at night to oversee the activity there on a full time basis. So, we could get into a complete beach park program with the Rangers, but it would take them away from some of their other responsibilities as far as Community Parks and so forth at night. Chairman Kobza commented that he doesn't thing that we'd want to do that, but tourism is such a heavy. . . Mr. Murdo Smith commented that what we've done with the Park Rangers, is divide up the responsibilities for in season, and out of season. During the 4 seasonal times, most of their activities is at the beach parks. That the ones that they hit most and we slack off of the Community Parks during the Tourist season, but when it gets back into the Summer months when the Little leagues and everybody is going we split it 50/50. But their priority during the season is at the Beach Parks. The additional person that runs the beaches around Tigertail is employed by the Sheriff's department, as a Community Aide. They're not a full fledged Sheriff Deputy, but they're just below it. Our Park Rangers do have one of the three wheels, and do travel up and down the beaches. Right now, it is based in North Naples up at Barefoot. Chairman Kobza commented that in terms of Vanderbilt beach, there are times when we don't have supervision there, we've got 4 oak supervision at Tigertail, and in his opinion Barefoot is much less utilized than Vanderbilt would be. A way to provide some supervision at the Vanderbilt Beach Park is needed. There is a usage there that really goes beyond the parking, because you have all the Hotel transient people using it. And then you've got all the people from the area on their bikes and walking. North Naples Park is right there, all the kids go down, etc. That's just a comment, I don't want to disorganize your budget, because I think it will be a stretch to get this. I want to help get this right here, and don't want to muddy the waters any. Chairman Kobza commented also that he does want to promote the concept of beginning a beach supervision type program. If we're paving the City of Naples to do it, and we agree that that's worthwhile, then we need to do it for our own beaches. The East Naples Community Center will be built this fiscal year with operations coming out for next year. That's what we figure it is going to cost us to run for maintenance and Recreation programs $93 ,000 at that facility for the year. North Naples Community Center is $89,000. In the Growth Management Plan, there is a multipurpose type building that is saposed to be constructed in East Naples which will come out of Regional Park Impact Fee Funds. That facility has been deferred for the last three years. I don't know if it will be approved this year again, but we had to budget in case it was. We budget I believe a three month phase in operation for that facility. North Naples Baseball field, that's a three month operation in the Golden Gate Baseball field. There again, those are the two field that we voted on today, that I had to put in the bugetary Capital Items because of the Growth Management Plan. The North Naples Football/Soccer field. 47' That' s electricity for lights on the football/soccer fields. EMS 15 building grounds maintenance, that's a request to do grounds maintenance at the Emergency Medical Service building over here for nine months. We do the off campus County Government Complex sites like the Marco Sub-station, the Libraries, etc. We perform the maintenance on those through a contract and this in going to include the new one in Golden Gate. Barefoot Beach Bathhouse. That's operating for the first year there of that bathhouse for electric and so forth. Athletic Programs. That's for adding additional teams to our leagues (i.e. Men' s Softball, and Cheerleading) . And the last one is Conklin Point. That is for three months operation at Conklin Point Boat Launch. Mr. Gil Mueller asked Murdo, aside from the Barefoot Bathhouse, what other improvements are planed for Barefoot. Mr. Murdo Smith commented, under Regional Impact Fees next year, we have the request for the additional 44 car parking lot south of the existing parking lot, and nature trails along the eastern side of the park. Ms. Geneva Till requested a volleyball net to be placed someplace here. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we do have the capabilities on the Basketball courts to adjust those for Volleyball if they want to play. It was suggested that we need to disseminate the information. The Immokalee Middle School site is the property that we obtained from the school board. We swapped some land with them. We gave them a 14 acre site west of their High School and they gave us the property behind the middle school, including the Gymnasium and a couple of the buildings they have their. This is the money to operate that for a full year. That's the gymnasium, including staffing for it which would be a Program Leader I and a Office Assistant, it would also a include a Groundskeeper, and since we have put this in the budget, the County Manager has cut that back to 9 months operation because we had a meeting with Wilson Miller and the School Board and they said it would not be ready until January of 1992. The Agriculture Grounds Maintenance - This is a contract for the Grounds Maintenance for the new Agriculture Building that they're building on Immokalee Road, up by Orange Tree. Immokalee Community Center - There again, it's staffing, and operating costs for the Community Center that will be built in the Community Park. CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND #306. We have three football/soccer fields, ten Racquetball courts, one Community Center here at Golden Gate, two baseball fields, four Fitness trails, six shuffleboard courts, the community pool in Immokalee, two jogging trails, boat lanes (that's carried forward, including Conklin Point) , a diving wall at the Frank E. Mackle Community Park in the big meeting room. It is going to be a little longer than the one at the Golden Gate Community Park. They need to install support beams in the ceiling to do that since there are none right now. Phase II design is a carried forward from moneys not spent this year. That's the Wilson Miller contract for $494, 000 that's been ongoing for a couple years. We anticipated that as moneys they have to have to finish their design work, we've spent approximately $300, 00 of it. Clam Pass is the $175, 000 for the Utilities, and there is $252 , 000 reserved for contingency. Now a lot of these projects will be funded only if the Bluebill property is sold. The property should have been in the Newspaper as advertised for sale, today. This is the first day. Chairman Kobza asked Mr. Murdo Smith for a legal interpretation regarding the requested ballfield for the North Naples Community Park. The revenues are just where the money's are coming from. The Carried 16 Forward is just projects from 306 that haven't yet been completed, and money available that we just carry forward. The Carried Forward is money that is actually there. The 3 .9 million is partially Bluebill. Basically this is just a transfer from County fund, and whether is comes from Bluebill, or whatever, that's a descision that the County Board has to make. On page 4, REGIONAL PARK IMPACT FEES FUND 345. What we have in the 1991/92 fiscal year for our Budget Request is $4,723 , 000.00 and the Total available revenue is $2, 058. 00 and listed below that is the breakdown of the facilities that we have budgeted. Our request is for more than the available revenue, so some of the items listed may not get funded. Chairman Kobza recuested that when Parks and Recreation is scheduled for the Budget Meeting, that they be informed of the time and date one week ahead of time, at least. Olympic Pool - We could not fund the 2.9 million with impact fee moneys at all. Chairman Kobza asked if how this relates to a professional ball park. In other words would we have any responsibility if a Professional Ball team came in? Mr. Murdo Smith commented that as far as this money is concerned, he doesn't believe so. No. That's on the Tourist Tax, that third cent. Marco Island does pay a Regional Park Impact Fee of $144 .00 per dwelling unit. Chairman Kobza commented that there is one expenditure that' s not budgeted, the Vanderbilt beach turn-a-round & landscaping. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that he has had some calls from the Girls Scouts, etc. and they want to make it a project of landscaping that area and they've met with a very qualified landscaper, who is going to do it as a project. So we may be able to do something real nice up there. We've also got a design from a landscape Architect for putting a boardwalk across the dune. We are going to get into a contract with the state to fund that with grant money. We've got until the Fall to sign a contract with them. What we've basically had to do, is get our construction drawings and so forth in place, and then submit it to the state for their review. We can't put a restroom facility on the beach. There was some discussion at some point in time, in fact we had it in our budget many years ago, to put a bathhouse in the Parking Lot somewhere. However, we came up with so many restrictions, and all that we could not get it built, and we hadn't done it in a couple of years, and they descided to take the money away from us. We'd have to put it back in there again, if we wanted it. There was some talk with one of the state representatives from the Department of Beaches and Shores, who came down to look at our sites for the Grant. He thought that one wetland area would be a great area to put some boardwalks and so forth through. They seem to think that we should hopefully apply for a Grant for something like that. So be may be able to get something with a restroom facility there. Chairman Kobza requested that staff start thinking in terms of moving that forward a little bit. Chairman Kobza commented that he believes we should acquire the Barron Collier property across the street through condemnation if necessary and make that a parking facility for that area. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that's some type of recommendation that PARAB should make to the BCC. Chairman Kobza requested that be put on the Agenda for next time. Mr. Murdo Smith will check into how much it might cost from the Real Property Dept. , an updated appraisal or something like that. Chairman Kobza commented that we could then make a recommendation to the County Board, and he' s sure they're going to be 17 reviewing beach access questions. Then when we go to the BCC, we can make our requests. Ms. Geneva Till said that this is important. Chairman Kobza commented, "Let's head off some of this, you know, establishing 10 committees to do what we are here to do. " Chairman Kobza commented that this is probably the most consise breakdown we've ever had of our budget, and he really appreciates staff taking the time to prepare it. That it is very understandable. Ms. Geneva Till and Mr. Gil Mueller also made positive comments. Ms. Geneva Till moved that we accept this budget as presented for the 1991/92 fiscal year. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that PARAB shouldn't forget that some of those items will be deferred, etc. That this isn't the final budget. Chairman Kobza commented that when we go to the County Board, they will know that PARAB has this, and if something comes out. . . Mr. Gil Mueller seconded the motion. Chairman Kobza we didn't prioritize anything, but he's assuming that their prior action on the Olympic Pool still stands, as a priority. The motion passed unanimously with a 3-0 vote. VI. REPORTS/UPDATES: Ms. Geneva Till commented that the louver, over here at Parkway, was just one two months ago. Now three have been kicked out. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we've repaired that once, and will be repaired again. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that we are in the process of signing a purchase order to repave the parking lot at Aaron Lutz. So that should be done within the next two weeks. Mr. Gil Mueller asked what is happening with the Army Corp of Engineers. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that Harry Huber's office and Tom Oliff have been the people who have been handling that. Ms. Geneva Till received a copy of the attendance record of Ms. Cherryle Thomas. Mr. Murdo Smith commented that the Frank E. Mackel Building expansion should be done by the middle of June. Mr. Murdo Smith informed that Mr. Monty King, of Forsythe Architects is basically a subcontractor for us. He is doing the Wilson Miller Architectural inspections. Mr. Gil Mueller asked about the letter of commendation to Sheriff Hunter, as far as their services are concerned. Also wanted to know if they have utilized any of these convicts again. It was agreed it was an excellent idea, and should continue. Ms. Geneva Till commented that she will be gone a couple of weeks in June, but will be back by the 26th. Mr. Gil Mueller will be gone one month. Chairman Kobza commented that he's planning vacation during the last week of August and the first week of September. Chairman Kobza commented that the December meeting should be at the new North Naples Community Center. Mr. Murdo Smith suggested that the next meeting could be held here at the GGCP and then the members could tour the North Naples facilities. Chairman Kobza suggested that at some point in time he'd like to get the other members up to North Naples to take a look at 18 t the facilities up there. It doesn't need to be next meeting, but sometime before the County Budget hearing. Because, he'd like to show them the Barron Collier site the Vanderbilt Beach site, etc. The June PARAB meeting will be , held here at the Golden Gate Community Park. Mr. Murdo Smith called the Registry and asked them if they would like to come, and they said "No" that they didn't think they were ready at this point in time. A. Bonita Beach Park No discussion! Not enough time! B. Recycling No discussion! Not enough time! C. Tigertail Vegetation No discussion! Not enough time! D. Immokalee Airport Park Bathrooms No discussion! Not enough time! E. 951 Boat Ramp Parking No discussion! Not enough time! 0 F. Pools No discussion! Not enough time! G. Vanderbilt Beach Accesses and Parking No discussion! Not enough time! H. Community Centers No discussion! Not enough time! I. Football/Soccer Field Immokalee No discussion! Not enough time! J. Division Responsibilities for 1991 No discussion! Not enough time! K. Frank E. Mackle Jr. Building Expansion No discussion! Not enough time! L. Conklin Point Boat Ramp No discussion! Not enough time! M. Listing of Donated Property No discussion! Not enough time! N. Immokalee Child Care Center No discussion! Not enough time! 0. Clam Pass Park No discussion! Not enough time! 19 VII. NEW BUSINESS: None. VIII. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. Gil Mueller motioned that the meeting be adjourned at 5:45 p.m. Ms. Geneva Till seconded, and the motion passed unanimously 3-0. MS:rtd: 003472 20