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Minutes 11/28/1990 REVISED MINUTES COLLIER COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office November 28, 1990 PRESENT: Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman ABSENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas Mr. Steve Ball, Vice Chairman (arrived late) Mr. Gil Mueller Ms. Geneva Till Mr. Kevin O'Donnell Mr. Cliff Crawford Mr. Murdo Smith I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting began at 1:35 p.m. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Approval of the Minutes for the 11/43/90 meeting, motioned by Mr. Kim Kobza, seconded by Mr. Gil Mueller. The motion passed with a 3-0 vote. Approval of the Special meeting minutes for 11/13/90, motioned by Mr. Gil Mueller, seconded by Ms. Geneva Till. The motion passed with a 3-0 vote. IV. ACTION LIST: Status of Items in Progress 1. FRANK E. MACKLE JR. PARK COMMUNITY CENTER EXPANSION: Advertised on December 3rd. pre Bid Conference for any bidders to ask questions regarding proposal form Purchasing, Legal, and Parks & Recreation Staff. 2. DUNE RESTORATION GRANT: Vanderbilt & Barefoot Beach. $72,000 - no change. 3. VANDERBILT BEACH ACCESS: No new activity.. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell suggested if PARAB wishes to discuss this issue and take their recommendation to the BCC, it is within their authority. Existing beach accesses on North Gulfshore Boulevard are 10' wide walkways with no parking. Mr. Kim Kobza will provide maps and plans regarding the Beautification MSTD and determination will be made whether or not to pursue this issue. 4. PLASTICS ON THE BEACHES: Renamed Recycling. Still on a trial basis at Tigertail and here in the office. 5. TIGERTAIL VEGETATION UPDATE: Copy of permit from DNR received. BCC gave parameters and the permit does not meet these requirements. Decision needs to be made whether or not to accept the permit as it stands. After discussion, Mr. Gil Mueller motioned not to accept the communication of 11/27 from the Department of Natural Resources. Ask the Board of County Commissioners to direct staff to explore potential for offering further additional mitigation and go to at least the "green tine" as established in the original resolution and to file whatever appeals are necessary, with emphasis on replacing necessary vegetaton. Mr. Steve Ball seconded. Roll Call Vote taken: Ms. Geneva Till - for; Mr. Gil Mueller - for; Mr. Steve Ball - for; Mr. Kim Kobza - for. Unanimous. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell will try to place it on the BCC agenda next Tuesday as an emergency item. NOTE: Minutes from BCC inacurately depicts the greenline, which is the 1983 line, per Harry Huber. The compromise line directed by BCC is actually 25' in front of dune crossovers. 6. REGIONAL SPORTS PARK: No change. Negotiations are continuing a little behind schedule. '7. IMMOKALEE AIRPORT PARK BATHROOM FACILITIES: Design is underway, and should be completed by the end of the month. Bids go out in January, 1991. This has been on our Action List for awhile. 8. POOLS REVISED: In the Comprehensive Plan, we have identified an Olympic size pool, and a smaller 25 meter pool for Immokalee. We established that the priority by resolution, when we had our budget hearing, we recommended to the County Board that the next expenditure be for building a pool. There was some discussion about the location of the pool, and establishing a time table. The design work has been started but not completed. As to location, there are some parking concerns at Golden Gate Community Park. Ms. Geneva Till said, "I was happy to here Chris Holley say that he was really dismayed that we were even thinking about moving the pool, because of the population center being here and they were in favor of having it where it had originally been planned". Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "The Olympic pool has never been designated for the Golden Gate Community Park. Throughout, even with our Growth Management Plan impact fee ordinances, the PAGE #2 Revised PARAB Minutes 11/28/90 8. POOLS REVISED: (continued) L Olympic Pool was a regional park type of facility." Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "When it looked like substantial progress towards a Regional park was not going to be made, Golden Gate Community Park was chosen as an alternate site. But, As you move into the project, design, and the space requirements for the • pool facility, a larger pool is insufficient for the Golden Gate Community Park without moving some others type of facility." Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "There are some concerns regarding the near by rock formations that this type of facility will sit on, and the increased cost, particularly with going underground instead of building on top (i.e. like a ballfield) that would be associated with that type of construction. It's a neighborhood facility, and irrespective of where it goes, people are going to have to drive to the facility. As a fellow professional, I respect Mr. Holley's opinion, but Mr. Holley has got a very selfish issue. He realizes that a facility located here in Golden Gate is going to provide better service to the residents of the City of Naples. You will also want to be in a location where you can address potential expansion and provide the necessary support. If you bring in an attractive facility, like the pool, that's going to bring in additional traffic, we don't have the necessary space to put in the adequate support parking facilities, unless you somehow acquire more land here to provide necessary support for that facility. Much less, the development of the other park facilities are already identified within the Comprehensive Plan over the next four (4) years required here (such as indoor racquetball courts, lighting of the football/soccer field) that are going to create additional traffic and positive public use. The space is not here that will make that facility work effectively. In my opinion, I don't want any type of facility constructed, particularly when we're looking at a facility with special features such as a water slide that is going to inhibit our ability for revenue enhancement and public use, and I think by placing that facility in here, that's going to be a problem." It would be the largest single facility the County will build for capital expenditure as well as operating expenses. Ms. Geneva Till said, "I have talked to the Commissioners and Neil Dorrill, and they think that this area is the place for the pool to be." Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "You can't put this facility in there without changing the original master plan of this park, and the BCC adopted the master plan of this facility, and you can not do that. Partly because when they located the Administrative building, it had an impact on the space available for additional park facilities." It has always been recognized to be a regional park type of facility, which is why we can use Regional Park impact fees to pay for it, versus Community Park impact fees. When the BCC adopted the Growth Management Plan, mandated by the State, they didn't say "we want to build everything within the parks" or "we want to build just a small pool", they did say is "you guys build one pool to serve the Greater Naples area" and they didn't even say "put it in Golden Gate" or "put it in East Naples", they said "build one larger facility". That's basically what the Comprehensive Plan says, and what we're saying is, when these plans were designed back in 1982, that was not envisioned. What was envisioned was a small pool like, at North Naples a small pool deal, a small pool elsewhere and that's substantially changed things. That includes the area available, actual acreage, space, land, to develop that facility. The original Master Plans were displayed, and explained to the PARAB Members by Mr. Cliff Crawford. We're behind schedule on the design work, which was scheduled to be done this year. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "There is nothing that says' that we can't use Regional Park Impact fees to build Regional Park Type of facilities in Community Parks, we can do that. Keep in mind that Community Parks by definition is drawn from a smaller area even though it's serving a multitude of functions, and that's the reason why the Regional Park is for throughout the entire County. Everybody in theory can go there." The County Attorneys' Office hopes to have Bluebill placed on the market in January of 1991, and be able to close on that approximately in March of 1991. Right now, technically, the property is not for sale. Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "Initially the funding will primarily come out of impact fees. The sale of the Bluebill property, after the replenishment of the funds that were borrowed, if there is a surplus, it goes into the County's Parks & Recreation 306 reserve fund. That could be determined as a revenue and could probably be considered for any project as determined by the BCC." We've got roughly 2.2 million in impact fee funds available, and obviously we get more every time someone pulls a residential building permit. The Pool will cost at least about 2.6, so that is the source we were going to anticipate using." Mr. Kim Kobza asked if there has been any inclination to follow up on private donations? Mr. Kevin O'Donneli-said that he hasn't heard anything in years as to a private donation. At one point, some •• citizens were willing to do some fund raising in Marco, to get a pool going. We've indicated that we were not planning a pool facility at all down on Marco. Mr. Kim Kobza said, "I had a Developer/Benefactor for the community that's ready to lay four (4) million dollars on the table. He came to me, and was ready to do that." Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said that we're more than willing to sit down and talk to you about it. Some time ago, PARAB voted on a contract with Wilson, Miller, Barton, & Peek, Inc. on the design fee. Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "If we looked at alternative sites, we would expect them to expect additional compensation if you're going to do site adaptation to other facilities." Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "That particular contract with Wilson, Miller is for Phase II of the Community Park facilities, it doesn't include Regional Parks. If that facility doesn't go into a Community Park, we need draw up a new contract. We did some preliminary design, Cliff has had some initial meetings with Wilson Miller as to basics as to what we want to incorporate into the pool (i.e. diving platform, wave machine, construction of pool), but we've only done about 20% of the design work." Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "We have put that project on hold. We are at the point where we've got preliminary design plans (i.e. bath house facilities), we do have a preliminary site plan for location at this facility not including some feature that should be incorporated as part of the project, we've got preliminary design consideration work completed, time table, and some other things like that. So, we've got an actual plan that's probably a tittle further along than 20% at this point in time." It does not address some issues such as parking, soil boring, site determination. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "When Engineers start doing designs, they want to know where you want to put the thing, so what he told them right now, was to anticipate Golden Gate Community Park. He also said, don't do a whole tot of work right not on this project, and particularly the work that you do on this project, Page #3 Revised PARAB Minutes 11/28/90 8. POOLS REVISED (continued): make it so it is adaptable so that if it goes to another location, it's not money that we've thrown down the drain. They're getting into the design relative to the special needs, equipments, programs that we would want at the pool site." Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "We'reedoing the work with the minimum health standards set by the Health Department, for chlorination, for competitive needs from High School to College, design criteria for handicapped, and other Federal requirements, locker room space requirements, etc." The 20% to date, was part of the Phase II design of the contract of about $478,0000. The design work was funded separately, the 2.6 million dollars is construction dollars and other special features. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "Until we make a further determination relative to where the pool is going to go, I've told the staff to slow down design work on the Olympic size pool." Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "Operating an Olympic size pool in South Florida can cost around a half a million dollars a year. Recognizing the importance of that type of facility for this community, I think it's incumbent upon us as staff, recognizing those significant expenditures for one type of facility within the Parks & Recreation system, to look at revenue enhancement opportunities to offset those expenditures rather than through general admission and user fees. Which means, look at features that you can incorporate in the design that will enhance and improve those opportunities to make money, and that may mean things like water slides. In light of the concerns of taxation in this and other communities, and the pressing needs of so many areas of government responsibilities, that to make this project work, not just to design, construct, and build that, to make this work and make it functional for this community, we need to show a good opportunity to provide a strong revenue source to minimize that Advelorum impact to support this facility. If you don't have the parking requirements to adequately provide the users places to park and use the facility, you are going to impact the revenue. Location ws an impact. This is a one only type of facility, so location does not have the same significance, because it's going to serve the entire 2,032 square miles of Collier County as it would if it was more unique in and of itself. it makes more sense to keep it as close to you main group that you are serving as humanly as possible, because it doesn't make sense to say "let's put the Olympic size pool in Immokalee" with the population base there, it will make 3/4's of the county drive and hour to use it. Keep in mind that as we're moving along with the regional park facility, and that 200 acre parcel be the Baseball Complex, depending upon what shakes out with that, we may or may not put it there. If that fails to materialize, are we still going to go ahead with our Olympic size pool. If that question is yes, and if we're not going to put it on that Regional Park site, are we going to get another Regional Park site? Once we answer that question, if it's a no, then we've got three more Community parks that are scheduled by Growth Management Plan. One we've already acquired the land for, which is the Vineyards, which is unimproved. So obviously we don't have to worry about moving ball fields, etc. around there. Do we go to an existing Community Park which has got facilities already built into it? Mr. Cliff Crawford said, "With respect to the growth and the growth patterns, you need the ability in a facility to be able to grow with your community. If you build a base facility that's considered right now, we'll say it has a *or water slide feature, you're making the money, and you want to enhance that facility in some manner, you are going to need space. That space is going to be required for more parking, additional infastructure, such • as maybe another water slide such or some other special feature, and that's all got to be considered. What we're sharing with you at this point in time, those opportunities for recognizing that doesn't exist here • at Golden Gate Community Park." Mr. Kim Kobza said, "This may not be a feasible site, and it may be at North Naples. I really don't have a basis to agree or disagree with you there either. But, without having some site selection criteria, and starting down the road of identifying that site, we won't really know, and I think there is some preliminary work that we can start doing. It's not only demographics, in terms of population, it's also the fact that North Naples, we've got a lot of water resources close to us. In Golden Gate, we don't have the water resources as close and it serves a more regional function, and maybe that's something to look at." Mr. Cliff Crawford, "And even recognizing that though, you know there are • prohibiting factors. You know, I can use the other argument, saying that's really not a public... That's extremely private. And while there are some public uses and the demand and the need is actually from even the YMCA, is saying we need a public facility, a commercial pool, public pool, in this case Collier County, and the location, even if it's close enough it's not going to impact us, because we're serving our private • memberships, and you guys need to serve the public." PARAB recommended to have staff do a feasibility study as to, the Olympic size pool, and report back to them next meeting so they in turn can make a recommendation to the BCC. Mr. Kim Kobza said, "We have some very valid concerns, and we've got some criteria in mind, and we need to identify how to meet those criteria and be prepared, so that when we do have the available funding, we know what the answer is. We know, this is the site, and we've some terribly extensive discussion, and we can be more informed. Because, if we know the site, we know what the engineering concerns are." So PARAB asked staff to prepare a scope of services, for an RFP. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell Suggested to go with an engineering firm for part of the project. The consultants will have to visit each perspective site, and that's going to cost some time, the consultants are also going to have to have at least some soil boring to find out generally what's below here, they're going to have to analyze what facilities we've got at the site, talk to staff, etc. Some people have a perception that a pool was promised in certain areas, and feel "are they or are they not going to get it?", and a Lot of people are going to remember the 1981/82 plan, before Growth Management existed. Just about each park had a pool at one point. That plan is out the window, but we're bound to get someone who says that they were promised that. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "At least we can get some questions raised, and the way we've developed Golden Gate Community Park, we may have some operational problems, and we may be able to substantiate that. You're talking on throwing another $20,000 on for a consultant, for a 2.6 million dollar project. Mr. Kim Kobza said, "I think there's a distinction here In that this facility, based upon what Cliff said, is a IL little more sophisticated that other things that we've tried to do. It is without a doubt going to be the single biggest expensive Parks & Recreation project undertaken, a capital expense. It will also be the Page #4 Revised PARAB Minutes 11/28/90 8. POOLS REVISED (continued): largest single annual maintenance expense that the department has. The Recreation section is going to have people committed entirely to that pool in one way, shape or form, just because of the magnitude of it. It's going to be the big showcase, so to speak in terms of dollars. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell said, "I had two pools up in Illinois, it cost me a quarter of a million dollars a year, to run that three months a year. They are going to be running down here 12 months a year." PARAB agreed on having a scope of services for their next meeting. 9. 951 BOAT RAMP PARKING/LAUNCHING/USER FEE: Attempt to have demonstration of Parkmaster meter for next meeting. 10. ALTERNATE BOARD MEMBER: PARAB guidelines address absenteeism. Ordinance does not allow alternates. Chairman Kobza will write a letter to PARAB members concerning attendance at all meetings. Motion made by Mr. Gil Mueller, and seconded by Ms. Geneva Till, and passed unanimously with a 4-0 vote. 11. USER FEE: Recommendation to go to the BCC in approximately two weeks. V. QUARTERLY PARAB MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY REPORTS: A list of Park facilities which will be divided into groups of five will be given to PARAB members to visit. VI. APPOINTMENTS: Applicatons received: District I - Mr. Gil Mueller requesting reapointment and Walter C. Pearson. District V - Ms. Cherryle Thomas requesting reappointment. Motion by Ms. Geneva Till recommending re-appointment of Mr. Gil Mueller for District I. Mr. Steve Ball seconded this motion, passed unanimously. Motion by Mr. Steve Ball recommending the re-appointment of Ms. Cherryle Thomas as member of PARAB for District V. Seconded by Mr. Gil Mueller, passed unanimously. VII. OTHER BUSINESS: Mr. Steve Ball requested maps showing the neighborhood parks be reviewed at the next board meeting. Catamarans. If on private property, the property owner should call the Sheriff's Office and removal will be enforced. Place Catamarans on February's Action List for PARAB discussion. The next PARAB meeting will be on Thursday, December 27, at 1:30 p.m. at the Golden Gate Community Park. Mrs. Mary Ellen Donner announced the upcoming Snowfest event, to be held December 8th, at the Golden Golden Community Park, from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and distributed a flyer and parking pass to each PARAB member. VIII. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. Steve Ball motioned to adjourn at 4:45 p.m. This motion was seconded by Mr. Gil Mueller, passed unanimously. BJ:rtd:002893 COLLIER COUNTY PARRS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD ACTION LIST NOVEMBER 28, 1990 1. Frank E. Mackie Jr. Park Cammu city Center Expansion 2. Dune Restoration Grant 3. Vanderbilt Beach Access 4. Plastics on the Beaches 5. Tigertail Vegetation Update 7. Regional Sports Park 8. Immokalee Community Park Bathroom Facilities 9. Pools 10. 951 Boat Ramp Parking/Launching/User Fee 11. Alternate Board Member rtd:002856 r MINUTES COLLIER COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD Golden Gate Community Park, Administrative Office November 28, 1990 PRESENT: Mr. Kim Kobza, Chairman Mr. Steve Ball, Vice Chairman (arrived late) Mr. Gil Mueller Ms. Geneva Till Mr. Kevin O'Donnell Mr. Cliff Crawford Mr. Murdo Smith ABSENT: Ms. Cherryle Thomas I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting began at 1:35 p.m. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Approval of the Minutes for the 11/13/90 meeting, motioned by Mr. Kim Kobza, seconded by Mr. Gil Mueller. The motion passed with a 3-0 vote. Approval of the Special meeting minutes for 11/13/90, motioned by Mr. Gil Mueller, seconded by Ms. Geneva Till. The motion passed with a 3-0 vote. IV. ACTION LIST: ® Status of Items in Progress 1. FRANK E. MACKLE JR. PARK COMMUNITY CENTER EXPANSION: Advertised on December 3rd. pre Bid Conference for any bidders to ask questions 3 regarding proposal form Purchasing, Legal, and Parks & Recreation Staff. s l 2. DUNE RESTORATION GRANT: Vanderbilt & Barefoot Beach. $72,000 - no change. 1 a 1 3. VANDERBILT BEACH ACCESS: No new activity. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell suggested if PARAB wishes to discuss this issue and take their recommendation to the BCC, it is within their authority. Existing beach accesses on North Gulfshore Boulevard are 10' wide walkways with no parking. Mr. Kim Kobza will provide maps and plans regarding the Beautification MSTD and determination 1 will be made whether or not to pursue this issue. J 1 4. PLASTICS ON THE BEACHES: I Renamed Recycling. Still on a trial basis at Tigertail and here in the office. 5. TIGERTAIL VEGETATION UPDATE: Copy of permit from DNR received. BCC gave parameters and the permit does not meet these requirements. Decision needs to be made whether or not to accept the permit as it stands. After discussion, Mr. Gil Mueller motioned not to accept the communication of 11/27 from the Department of Natural Resources. Ask the Board of County Commissioners to direct staff to explore potential for offering further additional mitigation and go to at least the "green line" as established in the original resolution and to file whatever appeals are necessary, with emphasis on replacing necessary vegetaton. Mr. Steve Ball seconded. Roll Call Vote taken: Ms. Geneva Till - for; Mr. Gil Mueller - for; Mr. Steve Ball - for; Mr. Kim Kobza - for. Unanimous. Mr. Kevin O'Donnell will try to place it on the BCC agenda next Tuesday as an emergency item. NOTE: Minutes from BCC inacurately depicts the greenline, which is the 1983 line, per Harry Huber. The compromise line directed by BCC is actually 25' in front of dune crossovers. 6. REGIONAL SPORTS PARK: No change. Negotiations are continuing a little behind schedule. PAGE #2 7. IMMOKALEE AIRPORT PARK BATHROOM FACILITIES: Design is underway, and should be completed by the end of the month. Bids go out in January, 1991. 8. POOLS: Discussion concerning location of pools. Original Master Plan showed a 25 meter pool in the Golden Gate Community Park, not the Olympic size. The Olympic pool was always considered a facility for the regional park. It would be the largest single facility the County will build for capital expenditure as well as operating expenses. All enhancements - wave machine, etc. - to produce revenue from the pool are being considered. 9. 951 BOAT RAMP PARKING/LAUNCHING/USER FEE: Attempt to have demonstration of Parkmaster meter for next meeting. 10. ALTERNATE BOARD MEMBER: PARAB guidelines address absenteeism. Ordinance does not allow alternates. Chairman Kobza will write a letter to PARAB members concerning attendance at all meetings. Motion made by Mr. Gil Mueller, and seconded by Ms. Geneva Till, and passed unanimously with a 4-0 vote. 11. USER FEE: Recommendation to go to the BCC in approximately two weeks. V. QUARTERLY PARAB MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY REPORTS: A list of Park facilities which will be divided into groups of five will be given to PARAB members to visit. VI. APPOINTMENTS: Applicatons received: District I - Mr. Gil Mueller requesting reapointment and Walter C. Pearson. District V - Ms. Cherryle Thomas requesting reappointment. Motion by Ms. Geneva Till recommending re-appointment of Mr. Gil Mueller for District I. Mr. Steve Ball seconded this motion, passed unanimously. Motion by Mr. Steve Ball recommending the re-appointment of Ms. Cherryle Thomas as member of PARAB for District V. Seconded by Mr. Gil Mueller, passed unanimously. VII. OTHER BUSINESS: Mr. Steve Ball requested maps showing the neighborhood parks be reviewed at the next board meeting. Catamarans. If on private property, the property owner should call the Sheriff's Office and removal will be enforced. Place Catamarans on February's Action List for PARAB discussion. The next PARAB meeting will be on Thursday, December 27, at 1:30 p.m. at the Golden Gate Community Park. Mrs. Mary Ellen Donner announced the upcoming Snowfest event, to be held December 8th, at the Golden Golden Community Park, from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and distributed a flyer and parking pass to each PARAB member. VIII. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. Steve Ball motioned to adjourn at 4:45 p.m. This motion was seconded by Mr. Gil Mueller, passed unanimously. BJ:rtd:002893 11/27/90 PARAB MEETING Present: Geneva Till, Steven Ball (came in a little late) , Kim Kobza, Gil Mueller KOD, Murdo, Cliff Meeting began 1:35 p.m. Approval of minutes of meeting November 13. Motion by Kim, Seconded Gil 3-0 Approval of special meeting of Nov. 13, Motion - Gil, Seconded -Geneva Till 3-0 FMCP Building Expansion - advertised in legal section of newspaper, Dodge reports and trade journals. Pre-bid conference is for any bidders to ask questions regarding proposal from Purchasing, Legal, and P & R staff. December meeting discussion - to be held December 27th, 1:30. Motion Till, Seconded Gil. 4-0 ACTION LIST: Vanderbilt: No new activity purchasing additional beach accesses as parking would still be a problem. KOD suggested if PARAB wishes to do something regarding this matter to decide what it is and then take the recommendation to BCC. Existing beach accesses are 10' wide walkways with no parking. Mr. Kobza to bring in maps and plans regarding the Beautification MSTU and determination will be made whether or not to pursue the issue. Tigertail: Copy of permit from DNR received for clearing the beach. BCC had given parameters and permit did not meet these requirements. Decision needs to be made whether or not to accept the permit as it stands and take it back to BCC. After discussion Gil motioned: We not accept the communication of 11/27 from Department of Natural Resources. The Board of County Commissioners direct staff to explore potential for offering further additional mitigation and go to at least the "green line" as originally established in the original resolution and to file whatever appeals are necessary, emphasis on replacing necessary vegetation. Seconded - Steven Ball. Roll Call Vote taken: Mrs. Till - for; Gil Mueller - for; Steven Ball - for; Kim Kobza - for. Unanimous. KOD will try to place it as an emergency item on BCC agenda next Tuesday. Pools: Discussion concerning location of polls. Original Master Plan showed a 25 meter pool in GGCP, not the Olympic size. This Olympic size pool was always considered a facility of the regional park. Would be the largest single facility for capital expenditure as well as operating expenses. All enhancements - wave machine, etc. - to produce revenue from the pool are being considered. Attendance at meeting - Gil Mueller made motion - Our Chairman write a letter to Mrs. Thomas requesting her attendance at PARAB meetings. Seconded by Ms. Till. 4-0 Quarterly Report: Following City of Naples procedure - need a list of facilities which will be divided into 5 groups for PARAB members to visit. Appointments: Applications received - District I - Gil Mueller and 1 other person - Walter C. Pearson. District V - Mrs. Thomas requesting reappointment. Motion by Geneva Till - Recommend re-appointment of Gil Mueller for District I . Seconded by Steven Ball. Passed unanimously Motion by Steven Ball - Recommend re-appointment of Cherryl Thomas as member of PARAB for District V. Seconded by Gil Mueller. Passed unanimously. Steven Ball requested maps showing the neighborhood parks be reviewed at next Board meeting. Catamarans - If on private property call sheriff's office and removal will be enforced. Look into having designated areas for these boats. Motion: Adjourn at 4:45 by Steven Ball. Seconded by Gil Mueller. unanimously . ACTION LIST. 1- FMCP Community Center Expansion - Advertise bid 12/3/90 2 - Dune Restoration Grant - Vanderbilt & Barefoot Beach - $72,000 - no change. 3. Vanderbilt Beach Access - No change - still pending 4. Plastics on the Beaches - remand Recycling. Still on trial basis at Tigertail and here in the office. 7. Regional Sports Park - no change - negotiations continuing a little behind schedule. concerns regarding the contract by the baseball team. 8. Immokalee Community Park Bathroom Facilities - design underway and should be completed by the end of the month. Bids go out in January. 9. Pools - Design work started for 25 meter pool. Staff prepare scope services drafted, Consultant comes in and looks at various sites, demographics. 10. 951 Boat Ramp - parking meter for lot. Attempt to have demonstation of master meter" for next meeting. 11. Alternate Board Member - ordinance does not allow alternates. Attendance mechanism for declaring seat vacant. Write letter encouraging attending, including the motion. User Fee - Recommendation to go to BCC in approximately 2 weeks. February Action List - put on catamarans Next meeting Thursday, December 27, at 1:30.