CEB Minutes 07/23/2015 July 23, 2015
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD
Naples, Florida
July 23, 2015
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Code
Enforcement Board, in and for the County of Collier, having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m. in REGULAR
SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples,
Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Robert Kaufman
Robert Ashton
Ron Doino
Gerald J. Lefebvre
James Lavinski
Lionel L'Esperance
Tony Marino
Lisa Chapman Bushnell (Alternate)
Susan J. Curley (Alternate)
ALSO PRESENT:
Jeffrey Wright, Code Enforcement Director
Tamara Lynne Nicola, Attorney to the CEB
Kerry Adams, Code Enforcement
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CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD OF COLLIER COUNTY,FLORIDA
AGENDA
Date: July 23,2015 at 9:00 A.M.
Location: 3299 Tamiami Trail East,Naples, FL 34104
NOTICE: THE RESPONDENT MAY BE LIMITED TO TWENTY (20) MINUTES FOR CASE
PRESENTATION UNLESS ADDITIONAL TIME IS GRANTED BY THE BOARD. PERSONS
WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY AGENDA ITEM WILL RECEIVE UP TO FIVE (5) MINUTES
UNLESS THE TIME IS ADJUSTED BY THE CHAIRMAN.
ALL PARTIES PARTICIPATING IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ARE ASKED TO OBSERVE
ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER AND SPEAK ONE AT A TIME SO THAT THE COURT
REPORTER CAN RECORD ALL STATEMENTS BEING MADE.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A
RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO,AND THEREFORE MAY NEED
TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE,WHICH
RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO
BE BASED. NEITHER COLLIER COUNTY NOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD SHALL
BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THIS RECORD.
1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
2. ROLL CALL
Robert Kaufman,Chair Ron Doino
Gerald Lefebvre,Vice Chair James Lavinski
Lionel L' Esperance Robert Ashton
Tony Marino Lisa Chapman Bushnell,Alternate
Sue Curley,Alternate
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. June 30,2015 Hearing
5. PUBLIC HEARINGS/MOTIONS
A. Motions
Motion for Continuance
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Motion for Extension of Time
1. CASE NO: CESD20140004266
OWNER: CARMEN B CINTRON EST
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR WELDON WALKER
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41 AS AMENDED, SECTION 10.02.06
(B)(1)(A).FOUR STRUCTURES ERECTED WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING COLLIER COUNTY
BUILDING PERMITS.
FOLIO NO: 63858720003
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 908 GLADES ST,IMMOKALEE
Motion for Rehearing
1. CASE NO: CEOCC20150001572
OWNER: ELIZABETH LAVIN
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR COLLEEN DAVIDSON
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 5.02.03(C)
5.02.03(F)AND 5.02.03(I).EMPLOYEES PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF WORK VEHICLES,
GOODS AND MATERIALS BEING DELIVERED, SAW AND OTHER EQUIPMENTS BEING
RUN THROUGHOUT THE DAY FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES,STORING MATERIALS OUTSIDE.
FOLIO NO: 38397880002
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 5010 TALLOWOOD WAY,NAPLES
B. Stipulations
B. Hearings
1. CASE NO: CELU20140007940
OWNER: RICHARD CLARKE&CATHERINE CLARKE
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR JAMES KINCAID
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 2.02.03.
USE OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA OF PUD AS
TRANSIENT LODGING/RENTAL.
FOLIO NO: 56430072542
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 9011 SHENENDOAH CIR,NAPLES
2. CASE NO: CELU20140007938
OWNER: RICHARD CLARKE&CATHERINE CLARKE
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR JAMES KINCAID
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 2.02.03.
USE OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA OF PUD AS
TRANSIENT LODGING/RENTAL.
FOLIO NO: 56430072102
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 8957 SHENENDOAH CIR,NAPLES
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3. CASE NO: CELU20140007918
OWNER: STEVEN M DIPERI&CARROL E DIPERI
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR JAMES KINCAID
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 2.02.03.
USE OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA OF PUD AS
TRANSIENT LODGING/RENTAL.
FOLIO NO: 56430070366
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 8943 SHENENDOAH CIR,NAPLES
4. CASE NO: CELU20140007890
OWNER: NICHOLAS KARRAS&KAREN KARRAS
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR JAMES KINCAID
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED,SECTION 2.02.03.
USE OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA OF PUD AS
TRANSIENT LODGING/RENTAL.
FOLIO NO: 56430070641
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 8858 SHENENDOAH CIR,NAPLES
5. CASE NO: CELU20140007945
OWNER: JAMES H WEBB&KRISTA WEBB
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR JAMES KINCAID
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 2.02.03.
USE OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA OF PUD AS
TRANSIENT LODGING/RENTAL.
FOLIO NO: 56430073143
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 9012 MEDINAH CT,NAPLES
6. CASE NO: CELU20140007941
OWNER: ARM HOLMBERG&MIRJA HOLMBERG
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR JAMES KINCAID
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 2.02.03.
USE OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA OF PUD AS
TRANSIENT LODGING/RENTAL.
FOLIO NO: 56430072584
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 9019 SHENENDOAH CIR,NAPLES
7. CASE NO: CELU20150001475
OWNER: BARRY NICHOLLS,PARADISE GEMS&FINE JEWELRY
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR STEPHEN ATHEY
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES,CHAPTER 26,ARTICLE 1,
SECTION 26-1(B)(4).COMMERCIAL USE OF THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY.
FOLIO NO: COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY(NO FOLIO NUMBER)
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PINE RIDGE/AIRPORT RD,AND NORTHEAST CORNER OF
AIRPORT/PINE RIDGE RIGHT OF WAY,NAPLES
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8. CASE NO: CELU20150001259
OWNER: NAPLES DESIGNER SERVICES,OWNER PHIL WEST
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR STEPHEN ATHEY
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES,CHAPTER 26,ARTICLE 1, SECTION
26-1(B)(4).COMMERCIAL USE OF THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY.
FOLIO NO: COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY(NO FOLIO NUMBER).
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: NORTH/WEST CORNER OF AIRPORT RD/TRADE CENTER WAY(RIGHT OF WAY)
AIRPORT/PINE RIDGE RIGHT OF WAY,NAPLES
9. CASE NO: CELU20150005363
OWNER: LIBERTY TAX SERVICE,OWNER CHRIS AUTRY
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR SHERRY PATTERSON
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES,CHAPTER 26 BUSINESSES,
ARTICLE 1, SECTION 26-1(B)(1)(3)(4).COMMERCIAL USE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
FOLIO NO: COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY(NO FOLIO NUMBER).
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: INTERSECTION OF GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY AND 53RD ST SW,NAPLES
10. CASE NO: CESD20150004962
OWNER: ROBERTO GERARDA CONTI&GIUSEPPA DAIDONE CONTI REV TRUST
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR SHIRLEY GARCIA
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION
10.02.06(B)(1)(E). INSTALLED ALL NEW WINDOWS AND EXTERIOR DOORS PRIOR TO
ISSUANCE BUILDING PERMIT.
FOLIO NO: 48170120005
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 2836 BAYVIEW DR,NAPLES
11. CASE NO: CEVR20150005196
OWNER: THOMAS R WILLIAMS&MARY C WILLIAMS
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR MICHAELLE CROWLEY
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED,SECTION 3.05.01(B).
REMOVAL OF NON-NATIVE VEGETATION FROM UNIMPROVED PROPERTY USING
HEAVY MACHINERY WITHOUT THE REQUIRED COLLIER COUNTY PERMIT.
FOLIO NO: 38455320006
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: NO SITE ADDRESS,NAPLES
12. CASE NO: CESD20150002302
OWNER: ROMEO LEASING,INC
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR COLLEEN DAVIDSON
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE,ORDINANCE 04-41,AS AMENDED,
SECTION 10.02.06(B)(1)(A)AND 10.02.06(B)(1)(E).ALTERATIONS/ADDITIONS MADE PRIOR
TO OBTAINING PROPER COLLIER COUNTY BUILDING PERMITS.
FOLIO NO: 76560000082
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 1852 40TH TER SW,UNIT D,NAPLES
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13. CASE NO: CESD20150009085
OWNER: JOANNE BAKER ET AL
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR PATRICK BALDWIN
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE,ORDINANCE 04-41,AS AMENDED,
SECTION 10.02.06(B)(1)(A)AND 10.02.06(B)(1)(E).UNPERMITTED LIVING STRUCTURE
DOES NOT MEET SETBACKS ON EITHER FOLIO NUMBER 00435240008,6905 JOHNS RD.OR
00434520004,6917 JOHNS RD.
FOLIO NO: 00435240008
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 6905 JOHNS RD,NAPLES
14. CASE NO: CESD20140018880
OWNER: MARK D HUNTLEY&JUDITH V HUNTLEY
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR TONY ASARO
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION 10.02.06
(B)(1)(A).UNPERMITTED ALTERATIONS TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
FOLIO NO: 40070080007
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 4290 31ST AVE NE,NAPLES
15. CASE NO: CESD20150003296
OWNER: PATRICIA ANNETTE ISON&MABLE WINDRELL ISON
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR PATRICK BALDWIN
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE,ORDINANCE 04-41,AS AMENDED,
SECTION 10.02.06(B)(1)(A)AND 10.02.06(B)(1)(E)(I).UNPERMITTED LIVING STRUCTURE
DOES NOT MEET SETBACKS ON EITHER FOLIO NUMBER 00434520004,6917 JOHNS RD. OR
00435240008,6905 JOHNS RD.
FOLIO NO: 00434520004
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 6917 JOHNS RD,NAPLES
C. Motion for Reduction of Fines/Lien.
6. OLD BUSINESS
A. Motion for Imposition of Fines/Liens
1. CASE NO: CEVR20140007649
OWNER: PIOTR&JOANNA BANSKI
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR DAVID JONES
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 3.05.08(C).COLLIER COUNTY
PROHIBITED EXOTIC VEGETATION ON PROPERTY.
FOLIO NO: 38280080003
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 731 LOGAN BLVD S,NAPLES
2. CASE NO: CESD20120000572
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OWNER: JUAN CAMPBELL AND NORA CARILLO
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR WELDON WALKER
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION
10.02.06(B)(1)(A). BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRED WITHOUT THE COMPLETION OF ALL
RELATED INSPECTIONS AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF
COMPLETION/OCCUPANCY.
FOLIO NO: 63912040001
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 1101 N 11TH ST,IMMOKALEE
3. CASE NO: CESD20140012494
OWNER: LYNNE V CADENHEAD
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR SHIRLEY GARCIA
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES,CHAPTER 22,ARTICLE VI,
SECTION 22-236 AND COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS
AMENDED, SECTION 10.02.06(B)(1)(A).A PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH UNPERMITTED
ALTERATIONS IN POOR CONDITION AND AN UNPERMITTED TWO-STORY STORAGE
STRUCTURE IN POOR CONDITION.
FOLIO NO: 74413200009
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 3417 CHEROKEE ST,NAPLES
4. CASE NO: CESD20140006549
OWNER: TIMOTHY J&DONNA A O'MALLEY
OFFICER: INVESTIGATOR DELICIA PULSE
VIOLATIONS: COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 04-41,AS AMENDED, SECTION
10.02.06(B)(1)(A).UNPERMITTTED BATHROOM REMODELING AT THIS RESIDENCE.
FOLIO NO: 61280240001
VIOLATION
ADDRESS: 1290 GOLDFINCH WAY,NAPLES
B. Motion to Rescind Previously Issued Order
C. Motion to Amend Previously Issued Order
7. NEW BUSINESS
Workshop Scheduling Discussion.
8. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Request to Forward Cases to County Attorney's Office as Referenced in Submitted Executive Summary.
9. REPORTS
10. COMMENTS
11. NEXT MEETING DATE- August 27,2015
12. ADJOURN
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July 23, 2015
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning. I'd like to call
theCode Enforcement Board to order. And I'd like to start out with the
Pledge of Allegiance, if you'll all stand.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Notice: The respondent may
be limited to 20 minutes for case presentation unless additional time is
granted by the Board.
Persons wishing to speak on any agenda item will receive up to
five minutes unless the time is adjusted by the Chairman.
All parties participating in the public hearing are asked to observe
Robert's Rules of Order and speak one at a time so that the court
reporter can record all statements being made.
Any person who decides to appeal a decision of this board will
need a record of the proceedings pertaining thereto and therefore may
need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made which
record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to
be based. Neither Collier County nor the Code Enforcement Board
shall be responsible for providing this record.
Why don't we have the roll call.
MS. ADAMS: Mr. Robert Kaufman?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Here.
MS. ADAMS: Mr. Gerald Lefebvre?
MR. LEFEBVRE: Here.
MS. ADAMS: Mr. Lionel L'Esperance?
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Here.
MS. ADAMS: Mr. Tony Marino?
MR. MARINO: Here.
MS. ADAMS: Mr. Ron Doino?
MR. DOINO: Present.
MS. ADAMS: Mr. James Lavinski?
MR. LAVINSKI: Here.
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MS. ADAMS: Mr. Robert Ashton?
MR. ASHTON: Here.
MS. ADAMS: Ms. Lisa Chapman Bushnell?
MS. BUSHNELL: Here.
MS. ADAMS: Ms. Sue Curley?
MS. CURLEY: Here.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I think we may have a change
or two on the agenda. Why don't we handle those now.
MS. ADAMS: Number 5, public hearings, motions, motion for
rehearing, No. 1, Tab 2, Case CEOCC20150001572, Elizabeth Lavin,
has been withdrawn.
Letter B, stipulations, we have four additions. The first is No. 10
from hearings, Tab 12, Case CESD20150004962, Roberto Gerarda
Conti and Giuseppa Daidone Conti, Revocable Trust;
The second is No. 13 from hearings, Tab 15, Case
CESD20150009085, Joanne Baker, et al;
The third is No. 15 from hearings, Tab 17, Case
CESD20150003296, Patricia Annette Ison and Mable Windrell Ison;
The fourth is No. 12 from hearings, Tab 14, Case
CESD20150002302, Romeo Leasing, Incorporated.
Letter C, Hearings, No. 1, Tab 3, Case CELU20140007940,
Richard Clark and Catherine Clark, has been withdrawn.
Number 2, Tab 4, Case CELU2014000793 8, Richard Clark and
Catherine Clark, has been withdrawn.
Number 3, Tab 5, Case CELU20150007918, Steven M. Diperi
and Carrot E. Diperi, has been withdrawn.
Number 4, Tab 6, Case CELU20140007890, Nicholas Karras and
Karen Karras, has been withdrawn.
Number 5, Tab 7, Case CELU20140007945, James H. Webb and
Krista Webb, has been withdrawn.
Number 6, Tab 8, Case CELU20140007941, Arnie Holmberg and
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Mirja Holmberg, has been withdrawn.
Number 7, Tab 9, Case CELU20150001475, Barry Nicholls,
Paradise Gems and Fine Jewelry, has been withdrawn.
Number 8, Tab 10, Case CELU20150001259, Naples Designer
Services, owner Phil West, has been withdrawn.
Number 9, Tab 11, Case CELU20150005363, Liberty Tax
Service, owner Chris Autry, has been withdrawn.
Number 14, Tab 16, Case CESD20140018880, Mark D. Huntley
and Judith V. Huntley, has been withdrawn.
Number 6, old business, A, motion for imposition of fines/liens,
we have one case that needs to be taken out of order. It's No. 4, Tab
21, Case CESD20140006549, Timothy J. and Donna A. O'Malley.
That will be moved to the front of the agenda. And that's all the
changes.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Get a motion to accept the
modified agenda.
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept.
MR. ASHTON: Motion.
MR. MARINO: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You figure out who.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
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Almost ready to adjourn.
MR. MARINO: Give us time to get our books in order.
MS. ADAMS: First case will be from No. 6, old business, A,
motion for imposition of fines/liens, No. 4, Tab 21, Case
CESD20140006549, Timothy J. and Donna A. O'Malley.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't we take a minute till
everybody clears out.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And good morning.
MR. BRYANT: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have on our desk the operational
costs for today have been paid, so that's done. And you're here to
request?
MR. BRYANT: Yes. My name is Brad Bryant. I'm here on
behalf of Tim and Donna. I'm just here to request a waiver of the fine
imposition.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You'd like it abated?
MR. BRYANT: Yes, that's correct.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Make a motion to abate.
MR. DOINO: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second to
abate.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
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MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Did we get you out in time for your meeting?
MR. BRYANT: Thank you. I appreciate that.
MR. MARINO: What did you do to the room? You emptied it
out.
MS. ADAMS: The next case, motion for extension of time, No.
1, Tab 1, Case CESD20140004266, Carmen B. Cintron Estate.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MR. WALKER: Good morning, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Your name on the mike so I can hear
it.
MR. CINTRON: Luis Cintron.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I have your letter -- I think
we all have it as part of our package -- that you're requesting a
six-month extension --
MR. CINTRON: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- to bring the property into --
MR. LEFEBVRE: Compliance.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- into compliance.
Okay. This started, actually, I guess, in February. Why don't you
talk to your letter.
MR. CINTRON: Okay. What I -- you know, I want an extension
because since I've been looking for somebody, a contractor to do, you
know -- and I had two, and then they backed out in the end. But I have
one right here. I got the number and everything, Imperial Homes,
Incorporated. And he's ready to -- you know, he's supposed to be here
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today.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. CINTRON: I mean --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So you probably -- unless I'm
guessing, you don't need six months to get a contractor.
MR. CINTRON: Not really, but, you know, just in case, you
know. Like, he's already, you know, ready to come in and start, you
know, working on whatever's supposed to be done.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And what actually needs to be done
on the property to bring it into compliance?
MR. CINTRON: Demolition, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Excuse me?
MR. CINTRON: A demolition and clean it.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And the county?
MR. WALKER: Yes. For the record, Weldon Walker, and good
morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MR. WALKER: Yes, he has two remaining structures that need
to come into compliance. He's actually -- with the time that he's had,
based on his situation, has done pretty well. He, again, just needs the
additional time to demo the last two structures, and I have no doubt
that he will.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Comments from the Board?
MR. LEFEBVRE: All operational costs been paid?
MR. WALKER: Yes, they have.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Any other comments from the
Board?
MR. LAVINSKI: Is it really going to take the six months?
MR. WALKER: I would rather defer that to you. I don't know
his financial means. I can only project that if he gets a contractor and
everything being equal, he's able to provide the contractor what he
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needs, I'm sure that he should be able to demo it, probably, I would
guess, maybe three months. But, again, I don't know his situation, and
I would rather defer that to you to make that.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What kind of structure is it?
MR. LAVINSKI: Yeah, that was my next question.
MR. WALKER: It was actually a structure that was converted
into living quarters and another structure there, it's actually used to
store things in. It's a fairly nice-size structure. And, again, the
structure that was used as living quarters, which is not being used for
that now, does have to have the plumbing removed, the electrical
removed, everything else. So he would need to make sure that
everything was in compliance, so that may take him a little more time.
But, again, I would rather defer that to you because I'm not
exactly sure. I would hate to make that judgment call for him.
MR. MARINO: You know, if his contractor didn't show up for
the meeting, who knows if he'll show up for work also.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good point. Anybody like to take a
shot at a motion?
MR. LAVINSKI: I'll make a motion to approve the six-month
extension.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second to
approve the extension.
Any comments from the Board?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
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MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Okay.
MR. WALKER: Thank you very much.
MR. CINTRON: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hopefully you'll have everything
done in six months, and we won't see you again.
MR. CINTRON: Before that.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Except on the street.
MR. CINTRON: Have a nice day.
MS. ADAMS: Next case, Letter B, stipulations, No. 10 from
hearings, Tab 12, Case CESD20150004962, Roberto Gerardo Conti
and Giuseppa Daidone Conti, Revocable Trust.
(The speaker was duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
MS. GARCIA: This is regarding Case No. CESD20150004962.
Therefore, it is agreed between the parties that the respondent shall pay
operational costs in the amount of$65.85 incurred in the prosecution
of this case within 30 days of the hearing, abate all violations by
obtaining all required Collier County building permits, inspections,
and certificate of occupancy within 60 days from the date of this
hearing or a fine of$100 a day until the violation has been abated.
Number three, the respondent must notify Code Enforcement
within 24 hours of abatement of the violation, and request the
investigators perform a site inspection to confirm compliance.
THE COURT REPORTER: Could I get your name?
MS. GARCIA: That was the stipulation agreement. Shirley
Garcia, Collier County Code Enforcement, for the record.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I was going to ask that.
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MS. GARCIA: Sorry.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You beat me to the punch.
Okay. Do you have any comments other than the stipulation?
MS. GARCIA: No. I think he's had enough experience with
getting the permits and hiring a contractor. He's had numerous permit
violations on other properties of his, so he went ahead and agreed to
the terms. He's out of town, so he sent me FedEx the original
stipulation agreement, and he went -- I'm going to meet him on the
property when he gets back into town with his contractor to ensure he
knows everything that he needs to have done.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Any comments from the
Board?
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept the stipulation.
MR. MARINO: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second to
accept the stipulation as written.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Thank you.
MS. ADAMS: The next stipulation is No. 13 from hearings, Tab
15, Case CESD20150009085, Joanne Baker, et al.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Before we begin, this is a little
complicated. We have two tabs that are involved in this, I believe.
MR. BALDWIN: Correct.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Tab 17, for the board's -- there were
two properties involved, so whoever would like to -- Patrick, you want
to explain what's going on, on this?
MR. BALDWIN: Sure. For the record, Patrick Baldwin, Collier
County Code Enforcement investigator.
It's two adjoining -- want me to just read the stipulation, or do you
want me to give you a little background?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Just a quick overview.
MR. BALDWIN: Two adjoining properties. There's three
structures on the two adjoining properties. The third structure sits right
directly in the middle of both parcels, and it's been unpermitted for
years.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Now you might as well read
the stipulation.
MR. BALDWIN: Okay. Therefore, it is agreed between the
parties that the respondent shall, one, pay operational costs in the
amount of$74.25 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30
days of this hearing;
Two, abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County
building permits or demolition permit, inspections, and complete -- and
certificate of completion/occupancy within 180 days of this hearing, or
a fine of$200 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated;
Three, the respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24
hours of abatement of the violation and request the investigator
perform a site inspection to confirm compliance;
Four, that if the respondent fails to abate the violation, the county
may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into
compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriffs
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Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of
abatement shall be assessed to the property owner.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Now, let me --just as a side
note. Is -- what we have on Tab 17, do you want to hear that case next
after we vote on this?
MR. BALDWIN: That's up to you, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All right. We have a stip
here. Anybody want to take a shot at the motion?
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept the stipulation as written.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Any comments from the
Board?
MR. L'ESPERANCE: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You understand the
stipulation?
MR. JOHNS: I do understand the stipulation. The only question I
have regarding that, this house that crosses over onto my sister's
property, we have no authority to go remove that house. We signed a
stipulation saying, yes, we will -- we agree to remove it. We'll agree to
whatever. We'll even agree that if you guys want to give them a
variance to that property to adjust their setbacks, but we can't be held
to tear the house down because they won't allow us to. We've been
trying to remove it since 2007, and they won't --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Let me check with -- I
believe that we have the authority as a Code Enforcement Board to
require that. Is that correct, Jeff?
MR. WRIGHT: Well, it's a unique situation. It's a house
straddling two properties. And I'd like to think that -- I mean, you can
separately find both of them in violation, but as far as their ability to
get together on the permitting and get the thing demolished together, I
think it's probably in their best interest to work together to get it done;
otherwise, they'll both have fines running. That's the way I see it.
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. JOHNS: Our party is willing now to do that. We'll do
whatever to get rid of the house.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Is that house occupied?
MR. JOHNS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And it's occupied, I'm
guessing, by the other party?
MR. JOHNS: Yes, sir.
THE COURT REPORTER: Can I get your name?
MR. JOHNS: Randy Johns.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Now it all makes sense to me.
Okay. We have a stipulation. Anybody want to make a motion?
MR. LAVINSKI: I think I made a motion.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Did you? Okay. And it was
seconded, right.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Okay.
MR. JOHNS: Thank you.
MR. LEFEBVRE: What's your relationship to the owner?
MR. JOHNS: It's now my cousin. It was my grandmother. It
was my grandmother's house until she passed away, and then through
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deceased, other family members, my cousins wound up with the house.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Now, do you have the authority to be here and
represent them?
MR. JOHNS: Oh, representing this party? No, that was my
parents' property that I'm -- we're here for. My sister's here. She's one
of the owners. And they -- yes, I do have the authority to represent
them.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Okay.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I would like to suggest, this
case is done, why not hear the adjacent property case next. Is that a
problem?
MS. ADAMS: It's the next one anyways.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, there you go. Thank you very
much.
MR. JOHNS: Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You'll probably stick around for this
case, too.
MR. JOHNS: I probably will.
MS. ADAMS: The next stipulation is No. 15 from hearings, Tab
17, Case CESD20150003296, Patricia Annette Ison and Mable
Windrell Ison.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MS. ISON: Good morning.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You're Patricia?
MS. ISON: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. BALDWIN: For the record, Patrick Baldwin, Collier
County Code Enforcement investigator.
Therefore, it is agreed between the parties that the respondent
shall, one, pay operational costs in the amount of$72.99 incurred in
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the prosecution of this case within 30 days of this hearing;
Two, abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County
building permits or demolition permits, inspections and certificate of
completion/occupancy within 180 days of this hearing, or a fine of
$200 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated;
Three, the respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24
hours of abatement of the violation and request the investigator
perform a site inspection to confirm compliance;
Four, that if the respondent fails to abate the violation, the county
may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into
compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriffs
Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of
abatement shall be assessed to the property owner.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You understand that
stipulation?
MS. ISON: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And you agree to it?
MS. ISON: Unfortunately.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That solves the problem here?
MS. ISON: Yeah. He pretty much put us in a financial position
that we have no choice.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well --
MR. LEFEBVRE: Are you going to be going for a variance, or
are you going to be going -- are you going for a variance on this
property, or are you going to go and tear the property down?
MS. ISON: I was not made aware that there was an opportunity
for a variance, but the best thing we can do is find another place for my
mom to live and tear it down, because he won't stop at this. He won't
stop. He's tortured our family for years. He won't stop until we're
done. So he wins. He wins.
MR. LEFEBVRE: I guess a variance -- okay. I guess a variance
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probably wouldn't be allowed because it's straddling both properties.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Right.
MR. LEFEBVRE: What they would have to do is acquire some
property from him, correct?
MR. BALDWIN: Correct, but also there would be a problem of
two principal structures on agricultural land on five acres. So they
become a zoning issue after that, so I don't think a variance would
work in this case.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Unless it would be a guesthouse or
something of that nature. But the whole point is maybe you guys can
get together and resolve this as inexpensively as you possibly can.
We have a motion to --
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept the stipulation as written.
MR. DOINO: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second.
Any discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Thank you very much.
MS. ISON: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I hope you can work out your
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problems so that everybody's happy.
MS. ADAMS: The next stipulation is No. 12 from hearings, Tab
14, Case CESD20150002302, Romeo Leasing, Incorporated.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MS. PEREZ: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Could you state your name on the
mike.
MS. ROMEO: Julie Romeo.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Good morning.
MS. ROMEO: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You have a stipulation to read to us.
MS. PEREZ: I do. Good morning. For the record, Cristina
Perez, Code Enforcement.
Therefore, it is agreed between the parties that the respondent
shall, one, pay operational costs in the amount of$64.17 incurred in
the prosecution of this case within 30 days of this hearing;
Two, abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County
building permits or demolition permit, inspections and certificate of
completion or occupancy within 120 days of this hearing, or a fine of
$250 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated;
Three, the respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24
hours of abatement of the violation and request the investigator
perform a site inspection to confirm compliance;
Four, that if the respondent fails to abate the violation, the county
may abate the violation by using any method to bring the violation into
compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriffs
Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of
abatement shall be assessed to the property owner.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You understand that
stipulation?
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MS. ROMEO: I do.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And you agree to it?
MS. ROMEO: I do.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Any comments from the
Board?
MR. LAVINSKI: Is this doable under these -- whatever is there?
MS. ROMEO: Yeah. It's just a door that was -- there was a door,
and he drywalled it.
MR. LAVINSKI: Oh. It's that simple?
MS. ROMEO: Yeah.
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept the stipulation as written.
MR. ASHTON: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Thank you.
MS. ROMEO: Thank you.
MS. ADAMS: The next case is No. 11 from hearings, Tab 13,
Case CEVR20150005196, Thomas R. Williams and Mary C.
Williams.
MR. WILLIAMS: Hello.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
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MR. WILLIAMS: I'm Thomas R. Williams.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MR. WILLIAMS: How are you all this morning?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So far so good.
MR. WILLIAMS: I was told there was a pre-discussion meeting
at 8:30. I never saw anything or heard anybody, and we do have a
little paperwork to hand out. No one said anything. Any idea where --
it said to bring 13 copies. I got 13 copies.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Michaelle?
MS. CROWLEY: I didn't even know he was here, so --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Surprise?
MS. CROWLEY: We've never actually met.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. WILLIAMS: Nobody said a word about --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't you go meet, shake
hands, see what Tom has to hand out.
MS. WILLIAMS: You want the 13 copies?
MS. CROWLEY: I only need one, but that's okay. Let's go out
in the hallway.
MR. WILLIAMS: All right.
MS. CROWLEY: Is that what you want to do?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't we put this on the side
until they have an opportunity to --
MR. WILLIAMS: I shall return.
MS. ADAMS: The next case, then, will be from No. 6, old
business, A, motion for imposition of fines/liens, No. 1, Tab 18, Case
CEVR20140007649, Piotr and Joanna Banski.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Before we move on, do we have to do
anything to suspend this case?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't we just change the
agenda?
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MS. NICOLA: You're just recalling it, so... You just asked him
to step out in the hall and to recall it. I don't think -- I mean, you're not
continuing it or anything. We're just moving it on the agenda, so it's
fine.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Okay.
MS. NICOLA: That's my opinion.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Give me a motion to modify the
agenda, and then we'll --
MR. LAVINSKI: Make a motion to modify the agenda.
MR. MARINO: Second.
MR. ASHTON: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Second.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
MR. LEFEBVRE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously. Okay.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MS. KAWANA: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
Your name for the record.
MS. KAWANA: For the record, Teal Kawana, Collier County
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Code Enforcement.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I think you're new.
MS. KAWANA: I am new. I took over David Jones' position as
Environmental Specialist.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I knew that because we met
during the week, but that's fine.
MR. BANSKI: My name is Peter Banski.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes, Peter. We're at the point of
imposing the fine.
MR. BANSKI: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't you tell us what you'd
like to say.
MR. BANSKI: I pretty much cleared the whole property already,
whatever was supposed to be done, and removed a structure which was
in the back which happened last year. I had a company actually come
in and rip all those trees out. And just most recently I cut extra trees
and just left three trees there which are leaning towards my neighbor's
property.
I need to wait for the water to be gone, because it's a little wet in
there, and then he can actually come in. I can have somebody come in
with a truck and get rid of those trees and brush, which is cut down
already and just laying there to be removed.
So all I need is for the dry season to come here. If you give me
six months, it's plenty of time for me to make it perfect.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And from the county, have
you been to the property?
MS. KAWANA: Yes. He's about 98 percent done with this. He
just has those few trees left to remove, and after that he'll be done, so I
think six months would be reasonable.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Comments from the Board?
(No response.)
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'll give you my comments. I have no
problem granting a continuance for six months if he's done 98 percent
of the work. I can understand when it's wet, it's wet.
MR. MARINO: Is that your motion?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, no. I'm looking for a motion
from the Board. Would you like to make it, Tony?
MR. MARINO: I'll make a motion we extend it for six months.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Continuance?
MR. MARINO: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion to grant a
continuance for six months.
MR. LAVINSKI: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And a second.
Any discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
MR. BANSKI: Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hopefully in six months you'll have
it done, come back, and we'll deal with it at that time.
MR. BANSKI: I will. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
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MS. ADAMS: The next case is No. 2, from imposition of fines,
Tab 19, Case CESD20120000572, Juan Campbell and Nora Carillo.
(The speaker was duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
MR. WALKER: For the record, Weldon Walker, Jr., Collier
County Code Enforcement.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning again.
MR. WALKER: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have before us a case of a county
versus Carillo and Campbell. It has not been abated, if I'm correct.
MR. WALKER: Yes. The permit is -- it required a revision. The
revision was to remove the garage door or the need of the garage door
that was holding up some of his inspections, and he was unable to do
that due to financial costs. So he worked with the permitting people.
They put together a revision that he submitted. The revision has been
accepted, and now what remains is just his need to -- once all their
paperwork gets in a place where they can enter it in, to enter in that
final inspection so that he can get the inspection to close out the
permit.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Any discussion from the
Board?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I see the fines are up to $18,000.
This was -- I guess dates back to January, January 22nd.
Comments from the Board?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'll give you my comments. If the
county feels that there's been progress on this and we're waiting for the
county to pass the paperwork where it needs to go, we could probably
continue this to such time where that happens.
MR. LAVINSKI: And how long -- do you think that might
happen 30 days, 60 days?
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MR. WALKER: From what we understand, he should be able to
begin to call in that inspection within the next 48 hours.
MR. LAVINSKI: Oh. I make the motion, then, that we extend
this -- or continue this until the next meeting, 30 days.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And it might be a good idea
for the respondent to show up at that meeting as well.
MR. WALKER: Exactly. Understood.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. MARINO: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a second to that motion.
All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Thanks, Weldon.
MR. WALKER: Thank you. Thank you.
MS. ADAMS: The next case is No. 3 from imposition of fines,
Tab 20, Case CESD20140012494, Lynne V. Cadenhead.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning.
MR. CADENHEAD: Good morning to you, sir.
MS. GARCIA: Good morning.
For the record, Shirley Garcia, Collier County Code Enforcement.
This is regarding Case No. CESD20140012494. The violations
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were Chapter 22, Article VI, Section 22 dash -- 22-236, Collier County
Land Development Code 04-41, as amended, Section
10.02.06(B)(1)(a).
The location of the violation is 3417 Cherokee Street, Naples;
Folio No. 74413200009, and the description of the violation is a
primary structure with unpermitted alterations in poor condition and an
unpermitted two-story storage structure in poor condition.
On September 25, 2014, the Code Enforcement Board issued a
findings of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was
found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct
the violation; OR5086, Page 2271. On January 22, 2015, a
continuance was granted, and the OR is 5118, Page 2282.
The violation has not been abated as of July 23, 2015.
Fines have accrued at a rate of 400 a day for the period of October
11, 2014, to July 23, 2015, for a total fine amount of$114,400. The
fines continue to accrue.
Previously assessed operational costs of 64.17 have been paid,
and the operational costs for today's hearing is $64.17.
Total amount to date is $114,464.17.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you.
MS. GARCIA: You're welcome.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Mr. Cadenhead.
MR. CADENHEAD: Good morning, sir.
What we're asking is that we've got an ongoing deal -- it's just like
I was here with you last meeting -- on the dangerous building. And at
that time I hired an engineer to go in and inspect the buildings and to
give me a clean bill of health.
The fines that we got going on here -- in other words, the -- what
has happened from the beginning in July 18th, 2'14, we get a thing
from the building department that the building structure has collapsed,
moved off foundation. Same thing as we went through last week on
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the other house.
Well, what -- we went in to get a permit to start the permitting
process. They told us that we had to have an elevation certification.
At that time we went and got an elevation certification in November
10th. Submit it to the county, and -- in other words, they found that the
elevation certification, that the building met the floodplain.
So -- and in May of this year we went to get a permit, and with
doing that, the building being deemed a dangerous building, the per --
in other words, said we had to resolve the problem of it being a
dangerous building.
July 17th, an American engineer came in, made a total evaluation
of the building; the soil that it is sitting on is adequate. The foundation
is adequate.
And I met with the Building Department head yesterday,
Jonathan Walsh. And due to a termite report that the building had
termites, and due to some rotted wood, Jonathan wanted more before
he cleared this house. He cleared the one on 2'14 that it was not a
dangerous building. Before he cleared this, we agreed that I would go
in and remove all interior walls to where he could come back out and
make another inspection.
All I'm asking from the Board today, until he gets his final -- till
Jonathan Walsh makes his final determination -- and that's what I
agreed with him yesterday, is that we would remove the interior walls
to where he could make a total inspection of the building and at that
time -- to where he could either deem it safe or not safe.
So at that time all I'm asking the Board to do is postpone the levy
and the fines until we get a determination from the Building
Department.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: One -- the last time you were here, I
recall you were having somebody come to find out whether the
foundation was okay or not, and the determination on that was?
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MR. CADENHEAD: The determination, the foundation was in
place, foundation was good. And on that house, Jonathan Walsh was
there yesterday, he made an inspection, and he deemed the house to be
in good shape. In other words, it wasn't a dangerous house.
That's two -- 3114. And we have until August 22nd to have all
the siding on and have that house back into a very presentable
presentation for this board and for the county, and we intend to meet
that.
This house here, after meeting with him yesterday -- we spent two
hours on site reviewing all the houses. Due the severity of what he
wrote on his letter, due to the severity of what my engineers wrote, that
the house is in compliance, he asked me at this point, before he signs
off one way or the other, if I would remove the interior walls to where
he can make that total inspection of everything, and so I agreed to that.
All I'm asking today is -- in other words, if you're going to impose
the fines, you're going to impose them, and we're going to argue about
them in court someplace down the line. But instead of imposing them
today, wait on this particular one until I get with Jonathan and we
comply with what he's asked us to comply with. That's all.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: When do you think you're going to
meet with him again?
MR. CADENHEAD: We -- our criteria yesterday was to --
instead of doing a thousand things at one time, we'll concentrate on the
two -- on the house at 314 (sic), to go ahead, get the siding on it, get it
up to county specs, code, and get it approved, and then put the effort
on this building here. So we're looking maybe 60, 90 days or so before
he'll make the determination on this here.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You're going to do the siding before
he determines --
MR. CADENHEAD: Oh, no, no, no. This is on the building
yesterday that he cleared for us to go to work on.
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. CADENHEAD: In other words, he cleared one building to
go to work on. We're going to get that building totally done, all the
pavers put in, everything put in to where we can show the county
basically that we got good faith in trying to get something done also.
So we get that one done, get it CO'ed to county specs, and then come
back and get the -- get this report out to where he can make his
determination.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. MARINO: We keep saying 314. Is he talking about 3417?
MS. GARCIA: It's 3414. No. He's referring to last month -- we
shouldn't have included that. 3414 is across the street from this
property today before you. And he had to get -- both of the properties
are deemed unsafe.
So what we're talking about today is strictly on 3417. We're
getting confused with the other address. He was just using that as an
example of why the building official was there, and he went and
determined on both of the sites.
On this 3417 that's before you today, he needs -- Jonathan Walsh,
the building official from Collier County Code Enforcement, he needs
him to open up -- take all the electrical -- and all the walls need to be
removed so he can look at the jalousies and see if they're not rusted out
and that the structure is deemed habitable.
So if it's habitable, they will issue a permit in this case. If it's not,
then he will make him tear it down.
MR. MARINO: So he's just taking the walls down to the bare
wood or bare --
MS. GARCIA: Exactly, so he can see the jalousies that are
connected at the bottom of the -- into the foundation of the home,
because it was deemed unsafe, and he couldn't really see. Because the
walls are half there. There are some walls that are there that are
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attached to the bearing walls, and so that's why he said, listen, I'll
approve you to go in and remove all the electrical and all the walls so I
can go and see if they're all rusted out. If they're rusted out, you're
going to have to demolish it.
So he needs some time -- he's asking for some time so that he
could do that after he takes care of his other issue across the street.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So you're asking for 60 to 90 days to
remove the walls, et cetera -
MR. CADENHEAD: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- and get Mr. Walsh back to take a
look?
MR. CADENHEAD: The main reason is that we've got a
certified and a signed, sealed report from American Engineering
Consultants that says the house is not unsafe, that it's on its foundation.
It's everything.
And Jonathan -- Jonathan asked yesterday, due to the termite
report and other things, that he wanted some more investigation done,
so I agreed to that.
And all I'm asking you today is to work with us to where we see if
the building is -- because basically the county come in -- if the county
come in in July 18th, 2'04 (sic) and deemed the building unsafe and it
was safe, then we've been fighting something all this time -- in other
words, these fines shouldn't have been accruing anyway if the building
was safe all the time.
So this is where we're trying to get to right now, to make
everybody happier.
MS. GARCIA: Well, this was before you for an unpermitted
structure, actually. It wasn't -- but when they threw in the mix of the
dangerous building -- later on after the investigator was able to gain
access, he was like, whoa, I think I need a determination so that way he
wasn't able to go in there and be in unsafe --
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't we cross this bridge at the
proper time.
MS. GARCIA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: This probably is not the proper time
to do it. Either we impose the fines, or we grant a 90-day continuance.
MR. LEFEBVRE: The question I have is you were in front of us
back in January 22nd meeting and you asked for an extension of six
months.
MR. CADENHEAD: Yes.
MR. LEFEBVRE: And then you said there's a report from May
22nd regarding America Engineering. When did you retain that
engineering firm? Because there's many months between January and
MR. CADENHEAD: We obtained another engineering firm to
come in there and -- right at the first of the year. Their report -- they
came in, decided they didn't want to do nothing until it got to -- the
football got kicked down the field again, in other words, until there
was a termite report.
So the termite people come in and made their report. And as any
good termite inspector would do, they're going to tell you there's
termites someplace. So he came with his termites. And then they
made -- Torvio Group made -- drew up plans and stuff. And at that
time -- when I met with you last month, you made a very plain
statement. In other words, if either the property -- either the house, the
foundation is good, the dirt underneath there is good or whatever.
So at that time I went and got a civil engineer that deals nothing
(sic) with structure, and there's two of them that investigated this and
signed off
So, basically, it's just getting to the point of keep moving along
with the county here. So if we could get the 90 days, I think we can be
in -- have what we need to do by that time.
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MR. LAVINSKI: As I remember the case, wasn't there a
difference of opinion between the county and the respondent?
MS. GARCIA: Not on this one, not on 3417.
MR. LAVINSKI: Oh.
MS. GARCIA: So I don't want to go back and rehear the 3414
address that was there last month. So you'll have an opportunity to hear
that one later on, I guess, but --
MR. CADENHEAD: There was -- when you-all -- when we left
the meeting last time, you said that we needed to have a meeting of the
mind between the engineer and the county.
MR. LAVINSKI: Correct.
MR. CADENHEAD: As of yesterday, on 3114, the county
signed off that this is a safe building and it's okay. On this building,
Jonathan Walsh did not feel comfortable without doing more
investigation of the building to see where he could sign off to have that
meeting of the mind.
So between -- you're totally correct on what you're saying, sir, in
other words. And that's what you asked me to do last month. I did it.
The one building signed off. Now we're on this other building with the
same problem.
And due to Jonathan's request, in other words, we just need a little
bit more time to get where we're going here.
MR. MARINO: I'm a little bit confused. Are we talking -- is this
whole conversation about 3417 or a different building?
MR. LAVINSKI: Seventeen right now.
MS. GARCIA: That's correct.
MR. LAVINSKI: So you say the building is safe. Now we just
need the county to confirm that --
MR. CADENHEAD: That's correct.
MR. LAVINSKI: -- so that's why you need the time on this.
MR. CADENHEAD: And he's asking to remove all interior walls
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to see what termite damage it is, to see what rot has occurred, and I
agreed to that.
So with that -- in other words, he basically deemed that the
structure -- the substructure, the floor joists and everything else was
safe yesterday, but he wanted more time before he came with his order,
so --
MR. LAVINSKI: Okay.
MR. CADENHEAD: He was very gracious. He spent --
Jonathan spent time, the engineers have spent time, and so -- in other
words, if we keep this thing -- in other words, after a while you get a
fine of$118,000 on a piece of property that's worth 50,000, who's who,
right?
MR. LAVINSKI: Yeah.
MR. CADENHEAD: I mean --
MR. LAVINSKI: I'll make a motion that we continue this for 90
days.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: I'll second that motion.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second to
continue it 90 days.
Any discussion on the motion?
MR. LEFEBVRE: We're going to continue it, but there's not
going to be any resolution to this case in 90 days. It's just going to --
MR. CADENHEAD: Oh, no. There won't be -- if at the time --
within this 90-day period, if the county deems it, we can pull the
permit to rebuild it, or I will agree to pull a permit to demo it. One or
the other is going to have to happen in the 90 days.
MR. LEFEBVRE: What I still don't feel comfortable with is in
January you were in front of us asking for an extension. I think at that
point you said I need to get an engineer out there, and you're telling us
that May 22nd is when you got a report from the engineer. That's a
four-month period.
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MR. CADENHEAD: It's like anything else. The one engineer
we got was not capable of doing the job, and the other engineer, in
order to do -- to certify what needed to be certified and like it needed
to be certified for the county -- in other words, it took two engineers
out of the other firm, one over each other, to come up with the
certification to make sure that they wasn't stepping on the county's
toes, so --
MR. LEFEBVRE: I just see that you're going to be in front of us
multiple times.
MR. LAVINSKI: Well, at least that allows us to take, you know,
steps in the right direction, hopefully.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. My comment on this is that
Mr. Cadenhead has spent a lot of time, and a lot of money to this point.
I think the least we could do is to grant the 90 days.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Ninety-day continuance?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Continuance.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Mr. Chairman --
MR. LEFEBVRE: Just refresh my memory. Continuance, the
fines still --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Continue.
MR. LAVINSKI: Right.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Any other discussion on the
motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
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MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Okay.
MS. ADAMS: I think we're ready to recall the case for Mr.
Williams.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. That was Tab No. 14?
MR. DOINO: Thirteen.
MS. ADAMS: Tab 13.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thirteen. Welcome back.
MR. WILLIAMS: Good morning once again.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Do we have to re-swear?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. Do we make sense of the 13
copies or...
MS. CROWLEY: Yeah. He -- Mr. Williams has to present and
bring in some documents that he intends to present. And I have
reviewed those, and I have no objection to those.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Are you going to provide
them or show them on the jukebox?
MS. ADAMS: There's quite a bit. I can bring a copy up for each
of you if you'd like.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: If you have the copies already, sure.
Michaelle, I have one question for you.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Do we have to make a motion to approve?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. We need a motion to --
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept.
MR. DOINO: Second.
MR. MARINO: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
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MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
Okay. Is your name spelled incorrectly on this, M-i-c-h-a-e-1-1-e,
or is that you?
MS. CROWLEY: That is me.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Because I have a Michelle of my
own and --
MS. CROWLEY: That was how my mother thought you spelled
Michaelle.
Do you want me to proceed?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes.
MS. CROWLEY: Good morning. For the record, Michaelle
Crowley, Collier County Code Enforcement Board environmental
specialist.
This is in reference to Case No. CEVR20150005196 dealing with
a violation of Collier County Land Development Code 04-41, as
amended, Section 3.05.01(B), the removal/clearing of nonnative
vegetation using heavy machinery without first obtaining Collier
County permit.
Folio No. 38455320006, Naples, Florida, 34109. The parcel has
no site address and is located on Bottlebrush Lane.
Service of the notice of violation was given on March 30, 2015,
by posting the notice on the property and at the Collier County
Courthouse and via certified mail on the same date.
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I would now like to present case evidence in the following
exhibits: An aerial image from the Property Appraiser's website
showing the area in question and four paragraphs taken by me on
March 17, 2015, showing the cleared path along the left side of the
parcel.
And I have shown those photographs to Mr. and Mrs. Williams.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Get a motion to --
MR. LAVINSKI: Motion to accept.
MR. MARINO: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
MS. CROWLEY: Thank you.
Code Enforcement received a complaint from an adjacent
property that trees were being removed on a weekend with no visible
permit posted. My site inspection on March 17, 2015, revealed an
absence of trees in a swath approximately 15 feet wide and extending
400 feet northward.
Can you turn it sideways. No, the other way. The north is at the
top of the photograph. Yeah, you may have to zoom out to show the
whole thing.
Bottlebrush Lane is at the bottom. The parcel in question is the
area outlined in yellow that encompasses it, and the area that was
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cleared is the skinny strip bounded by the red markers on the left
extending back behind where the property cuts off back to the east.
And then I also observed some cutting back along the property line
along that north end where it abuts the property to the south.
I went to the house to the left where I talked to a tenant who
confirmed that clearing took place the previous Saturday, that it was
done by two men on a brush (sic) hog clearing machine. Because that
was a tenant, that person did not feel comfortable giving permission to
go on their property so that I could access this property. I then went to
the property to the right where I did meet with the owner of that
property at 6581, and a Mr. Patrick O'Connor (sic) walked me along
the side and rear of his property so that I was able to take additional
photographs of that particular cleared swath.
Mr. Connor, the neighbor, stated that his property used to belong
to a larger parcel owned by Mr. Williams but that that parcel had been
split off and sold to Mr. Connor decades before. He also confirmed
that the work had taken place on Saturday the 14th before I was there.
There were no stumps visible. The ground is graded flat. The
vegetative debris had either been chipped on site -- there was one small
pile of chipped material -- and had been spread along the length and
width of the cleared swath or had been removed.
Now you can show the next photographs.
This is what it looks like from the roadway. The driveway, the
concrete to the right, is the driveway to 6581, the property that is
developed that had been split off by Mr. Williams and sold decades
ago.
MR. WILLIAMS: That happens to be my driveway, by the way.
It's on my property, and he uses it to get to his house.
MS. CROWLEY: Okay. The existing driveway is there. I mean,
you'll see it in the aerial as well.
The clearing angles off from that bend in the concrete and heads
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due north straight back.
There is also a small trail partially cleared parallel to the road and
running just north of the property line where it abuts Mr. Connor.
The cleared path extends beyond -- or the swath extends beyond a
storage shed sitting on the property that's diagonal to the left.
I did post a stop work order because I determined before arriving
that there are no permits and were no permits for the clearing.
I eventually made contact that day or the -- no, the next day with
Mr. Williams. He stated that he was under the belief that he could
automatically clear an access road to his property. I advised that land
alteration or clearing cannot be undertaken without county approval.
He then said that the only native vegetation removed was regrowth of
4-foot-tall slash pines and palmettos that came back --
MR. WILLIAMS: That's not true.
MS. CROWLEY: -- after the swath --
MR. WILLIAMS: I never said that.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You'll have a chance --
MR. WILLIAMS: There's not a palmetto or a pine on that
property and hasn't been for 35 years.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You'll have a chance to
cross-examine.
MR. WILLIAMS: I hate hearing things wrong, and there's so
much of it going on here that I feel I need to speak up.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MS. CROWLEY: I'll continue. He said that the only regrowth
was 4-foot-tall slash pines and palmettos that came back after the
swath was originally cleared eight years ago.
I agreed with him that much of what had been removed was
exotic vegetation. He said that the mulching and chipping in place on
the access path was from Brazilian pepper. He stated he wanted to
make the parcel appealing to potential buyers.
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He asked me how quickly a clearing permit could be issued, and I
advised him to speak to the other side of the building, that they were
the ones who actually issued the permits.
A re-inspection, however, showed that no changes have been
made. There had been no permit applied for. There had been no
additional clearing. And, in fact, some of the native plants and weeds,
vines, as well as exotics are starting to grow back now since March
because there has been no further clearing.
On May 1st, I called Mr. Williams again. He stated that the cost
associated with the after-the-fact vegetation removal permit was his
obstacle, and that he should have known that he needed a permit for
mechanical clearing using a forestry tractor, but he said he didn't get a
permit. He said that the cost of the permit was too high. He asked if I
could give him an escape and not charge the after-the-fact fees because
he said what he did was negligible.
I cautioned him again against removing any native trees by any
method and against removing any exotics using heavy machinery. I
also warned him that a building permit would only allow clearing of
one acre. This is a 1.14-acre parcel. No vegetation removal permit or
other authorization for clearing has been obtained for any of the
clearing that's been done on this swath over the years. And, according
to Mr. Williams, he has owned it for 40 years.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MS. CROWLEY: Yeah. Show the additional pictures. This is
the swath as seen from the driveway that curves back to 6581, the
house that's in front of this. This shows the width and depth of the
cleared space.
MR. WILLIAMS: That original swath was made by Florida
Power and Light for a power line that runs down that same easement.
That easement was formed to get to the back lot when the lots were re-
platted to make two bigger lots rather than the two 75-footers that were
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there before.
The street is lined now with million-and-a-half-dollar homes or
so, and I felt way back then that the lot needed to be a bigger one
rather than a smaller one. They're very small lots on that street.
Ever since it was reconfigured -- we live -- Mary and I lived in
that house.
Were you finished? I'm sorry.
MS. CROWLEY: No, I'm not, but let me --
MR. WILLIAMS: You're taking too long, Michaelle. Hurry up.
I've got a lot to say here.
MS. CROWLEY: Okay. I'll show the rest of my pictures.
MR. WILLIAMS: Hold your hand up when it's my turn.
MS. CROWLEY: This is the one -- the only pile of mulch that
was on site when I was there -- and that is a Melaleuca tree behind it
and Brazilian pepper.
MR. WILLIAMS: That's not. That's a ficus benjamina. And
those roots are exposed because the tree blew over in the storm, and
that's not on my property. That's on the neighbor's property.
MS. CROWLEY: Correct.
MR. WILLIAMS: You're wrong.
MS. CROWLEY: Mr. Connor told me that that was his property,
that that was the dividing line, so...
MR. WILLIAMS: Oh. It sounded like you were going to act like
it was mine.
MS. CROWLEY: That was -- I'm not going there. Okay. I
believe --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay, children, play nice.
MS. CROWLEY: That's my last photograph.
MR. WILLIAMS: I can't play with her. She's not nice.
MS. NICOLA: This feels like court.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
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MS. CROWLEY: That concludes my testimony.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Can I ask one question? You cannot
clear over one acre?
MS. CROWLEY: With a building permit.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. If you had a hundred-acre
parcel, you could go in and clear how much without a permit?
MS. CROWLEY: Nothing without a permit.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Nothing?
MS. CROWLEY: Nothing.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MS. CROWLEY: With a building permit, you can clear up to
one acre, whether it's a 1.14-acre parcel, whether it's a hundred-acre
parcel, unless you get county approval to do so in advance.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So raise your hand so -- are
you done now?
MS. CROWLEY: Oh, yes, I'm done.
MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
A lot of what she said is true in our conversation back and forth.
She was informing me of things like that acre deal that I had never
heard of before. But she embellishes things to such a point where she
has me to using heavy equipment to do something that I mowed with.
All that was done there from the very beginning was mowing that
property, as FPL asked me to do when they put the power line in for
the house that's there.
We haven't done it for several years, and the Brazilian pepper on
the neighbor's side grew over my width, the whole width of that
property, and was taking it over to such an extent that -- I had a builder
interested in the lot possibly, and I wanted him at least to get back to it
to see it. He said he wasn't even interested because he couldn't even see
the lane to the property, and that's the only reason why I cleared the
easement. And I had no intention to do anything more than clear the
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easement, and I did nothing more than clean (sic) the easement, and it
happened to be 340 feet in the property, not 400 feet. It stopped at the
property line.
And if I had planned to do more, I certainly would have had
larger equipment and taken care of it. That's what I do for a living.
On every document that's sent to me it says how important it is
for every owner of real property within the unincorporated Collier
County, that they're required to maintain their property in a manner so
as not to violate the provisions of these ordinances. All of these say
that anything over 18 inches has to be mowed or kept on mowable site.
It's repeated 14 times through these three pieces of paper they sent me.
Since 1982, before the county knew that road had people living
on it, I mowed that road with my -- the swales of that road with my
equipment, a Bush Hog on the back of a tractor, even under water
sometimes because it was so wet out there at that time in '82, '3, '4, '5,
'6. And I had four friends who lived on the road, and we just hated for
our kids to come out to go to the school bus without it being mowed. I
mowed it personally. Many times we'd sling walking catfish out on the
road that were alive in the ditch. And it looked so strange to see them
all over the place.
At any rate, I mowed it until 2002 on a regular basis, including
this easement that we're talking about today, because that lot was
where we planned to retire to one day if we can get rid of that nut on
the right-hand side with all the mess. You'll see pictures of his mess
that finds its way over in our property.
Every time it grows up, cement mixers, barrels, all manner of tile,
junk, and stuff gets piled on our property.
So I made an effort to get it clean, to keep it clean, and I don't feel
that -- in any way that I should have to get a permit to do that kind of
work on my property when I look at all the requirements that the
county has about keeping your property clean.
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It is an easement back to the lot. I don't see any problem
whatsoever. And every time I ask or tried to clarify it with her, it was,
you've got to buy the permit, you've got to buy the permit, you've got
to buy the permit. I don't think you have to mow your right-of-way to
your property. And that pretty much is my case.
I did not use heavy equipment. I used a small 25-horsepower
tractor. My son and I used pole saws, which is a chainsaw on the end
of a pole, to cut the Brazilian pepper. The flail mower chewed up the
debris. We hauled most of it away and left it as clean and neat as we
possibly could, being a good neighbor to both the creep on the side that
turned us in for no reason whatsoever -- he thinks he owns our
property in the back -- and the good guy on the left-hand side.
So that's really my case. I don't feel we need a permit for that,
and I don't want to pay for one. So I wish that you would oversee that
and help me out in that situation.
You'll find in this little packet my notes about things. We didn't
leave a track. There's not a hole where a tree was dug out, a stump
where a tree was removed. We did nothing there but mow, period.
We did not penetrate the ground anywhere on the property, and the
pictures in there will clearly show you the grass that's growing on the
property from that day till this.
MR. LEFEBVRE: When were these pictures taken?
MR. WILLIAMS: You can also see that there are round brown
areas at the front of the picture that show where the Brazilian pepper
grew over and covered the ground which kept us from getting on the
property. There, again, we weren't there to strafe the property, or we
would have brought heavy equipment. And, believe me, I can get
heavy equipment if I need it. I just mowed it. My son and I mowed it.
I don't need a permit for that.
MR. LEFEBVRE: When did you mow it, and when were these
pictures taken? Right up here.
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MR. WILLIAMS: I'm sorry.
MR. LEFEBVRE: When did you mow it, and when were these
pictures taken?
MR. WILLIAMS: I mowed it -- I don't forget (sic). She told you
the date. When was it?
MS. CROWLEY: March the 14th.
MR. LEFEBVRE: And when were these pictures --
MR. WILLIAMS: March the 14th, the day before my wife's
birthday.
MR. LEFEBVRE: That should be a date you remember.
MR. WILLIAMS: I should have.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You didn't ask his wife's birthday.
You asked when he mowed.
MR. WILLIAMS: And the pictures -- my pictures were taken
now, but her pictures will show you the same thing.
MR. LEFEBVRE: But when were these pictures taken?
MR. WILLIAMS: Those pictures were taken three days ago.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Three days ago, okay.
MR. WILLIAMS: And, still, nothing's growing where the
peppers were, and the grass was actually mowed again for those
pictures by my neighbor on the right-hand side.
MR. MARINO: The good one.
MR. WILLIAMS: So he can push his crap over there on my
property, I guess. But there's even a picture of his mower there that he
mowed it with.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I have a question on --
MR. WILLIAMS: And he left tracks. My equipment didn't even
leave any tracks.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: On the picture here that says lot
showing easement --
MR. WILLIAMS: Yeah.
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- there is a red line on that that goes
back.
MR. WILLIAMS: That's a 25-foot -- it's 75 feet at the street by
25, and then it makes that L shape back to the lot as a 25-foot easement
for the power line and for the property in the rear.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So the entire lot is actually from the
left-hand, where that strip is, all the way over to the --
MR. WILLIAMS: All the way to the street.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's forward. But on Bottlebrush
Lane, the width of your property there is how much?
MR. WILLIAMS: Seventy-five-feet wide.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's 75-feet wide there at the road?
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And the portion that was an
easement, in your words, is about 15-feet wide.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Twenty-five.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Twenty-five.
MR. WILLIAMS: Where we cut it?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah.
MR. WILLIAMS: We cut it 17-feet wide.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Seventeen feet, okay.
MR. WILLIAMS: We meant to cut it 25, but it just -- 17 was
enough. I didn't take any more because I didn't want to open up that
ugly sight to the house on the right that's not being maintained. And I
left the trees big and covering that. So I really didn't even interfere
with the neighbor on the right. Did I mention he's an idiot? Excuse
me. I just happen to have one there.
MR. LEFEBVRE: We all have one.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The property to the right, is -- do you
have any idea how wide that property is? Looks very narrow to me.
MR. WILLIAMS: It's 25 feet off a hundred -- it's 125 feet wide.
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CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. WILLIAMS: And it has 75 feet at the street as well.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. WILLIAMS: Which is where his entrance should be, but he
uses my entrance.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Originally they were 75-foot lots.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I see how they did it.
MR. WILLIAMS: There was no destruction of trees or plants
other than the weeds and the grasses that grow in that area from the air,
the seed. It was planted with grass at one time, but the Brazilian
pepper's covered it over.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Now, you said that the area that you
mowed was originally an FPL right-of-way?
MR. WILLIAMS: It is a right-of-way. I don't know whether it's
a deeded right-of-way, but the feed for the house, I think both houses,
comes in on the left-hand side of that.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The feed for the two houses --
MR. WILLIAMS: Right-of-way. That is the property line is the
power line.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And that goes all the way back to
those two houses in the rear?
MR. WILLIAMS: In between the two houses, yes.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. WILLIAMS: About halfway between the two.
MS. CROWLEY: The two houses on the rear have frontage on
the road to the north.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MS. CROWLEY: So they would have -- you know, all of their
utilities would come in from the north.
MR. WILLIAMS: They don't have -- are you sure of that? I
don't think they -- the ones on the left? I think the only entrance --
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MS. CROWLEY: No, no. He's talking about -- he said the ones
in the rear, meaning to the north of where your property is.
MR. WILLIAMS: Oh. The ones to the north, of course, do. It
abuts another property back there.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Have you checked at all with
FPL as to whether that right-of-way is maintained by them or supposed
to be --
MS. CROWLEY: It's not an official easement dedicated like the
one on Radio Road, you know, those big wide ones that you see where
they have the transmission lines. It has just the utility pole service, and
it is on the leftmost property line, so that the clearing took place to the
right of the telephone wires. They do go parallel with the property line
and service, I believe, this property to the left and possibly the property
to the right. But it's not a dedicated, platted FP&L easement or
right-of-way. It is not.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Let me ask you. Does the Land Development
Code distinguish between trimming of exotics versus removal of
exotics? Because Mr. Williams has stated that he went and mowed the
lawn and trimmed the Brazilian peppers, I think is what he said, on the
right side, if I was correct.
MR. WILLIAMS: Correct.
MS. CROWLEY: Well, when you call it a lawn, I guess I would
take issue. It's not a lawn like you would have in your front yard. And
the 18-inch reference he made at the beginning to all the ordinances,
the exotics ordinance is part of the nuisance abatement. It's part of
weeds, and grass cannot -- on undeveloped -- correction. On
undeveloped lots, mowable lots cannot exceed 18 inches. This is an
undeveloped lot, so the 18-inches doesn't even apply here.
The answer is -- and Mr. Williams and I did discuss this -- that if
somebody wanted to clear -- remove exotics from their property, you
do not need a permit to do it by hand.
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MR. LEFEBVRE: Right.
MS. CROWLEY: You get your lopping shears, you get your
pruners. You can get a chainsaw if you want to to cut down --
MR. WILLIAMS: Or a chainsaw and a pole.
MS. CROWLEY: -- exotic vegetation.
MR. WILLIAMS: Pole saw, chainsaw, same thing.
MS. CROWLEY: The minute you use machinery, it requires a
permit.
MR. WILLIAMS: The term is "heavy machinery." It's not just
simply "machinery," Michaelle.
MS. CROWLEY: It is heavy machinery.
MR. WILLIAMS: Mention the word "heavy" --
MS. CROWLEY: It is heavy.
MR. WILLIAMS: -- because that changes the kind of machinery
from little tinker toys to machinery.
MR. LEFEBVRE: I'm trying to get to that. I'm trying to help you
here.
MR. WILLIAMS: Please. I need all the help I can get. She's
tough.
MR. LEFEBVRE: So if you stop, I can --
MR. WILLIAMS: She's doing her job, but she's doing it too
good.
MR. LEFEBVRE: I'm done asking questions.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Any other comments from the
Board?
MS. NICOLA: I have a question. And maybe you guys know
the answer to this because I'm still relatively new. What would be the
difference between what's considered to be heavy machinery and
what's considered to be mowing? Because I'm in a quandary, listening
to both of you, trying to figure out what the difference is. I mean,
obviously, there must be some significant difference if one's a code
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offense and one isn't. Because we have lots of people out in the Estates
that we probably could hear from this a lot.
MR. DOINO: What kind of machine, Michaelle, was this; do you
know?
MS. CROWLEY: According to the neighbor to the left --
correction -- the tenant to the left, it was a brush hog clearing machine,
is how she described it. When --
MR. WILLIAMS: It was not, but go ahead.
MS. CROWLEY: That's how it was described. There was no
equipment on site when I was there.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Let me settle this.
MR. WILLIAMS: On this charge here --
MR. LEFEBVRE: Excuse me, Mr. Williams.
I'm ready to not vote in your favor because of your mouth. I'm
trying to be courteous and try to get to a point, but you're not letting me
get there.
MR. WILLIAMS: Well, pardon me, sir. I'm sorry. I'm on fire
here.
MR. LEFEBVRE: No, you're not. You have an advocate here --
MR. WILLIAMS: It's all I can do to keep my mouth shut.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Let me ask --
MR. WILLIAMS: This is wrong --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hold on. Hold on.
MR. WILLIAMS: -- and I'm here to try to keep it from being
wrong.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hold on. Mr. Lefebvre --
MR. WILLIAMS: I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- without interruption.
MR. WILLIAMS: I'll try to be good.
MR. LEFEBVRE: I would hope.
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My question is, or my statement to be made is you have a person
that lives to the left that's a tenant that doesn't want to give a formal
statement that -- nothing in writing. She --
MS. CROWLEY: No. She didn't feel comfortable because she
was just staying there, I think, over a week and didn't feel comfortable
giving me permission -- her giving permission on behalf of the owner
to the left to walk on her property so that I could see what was going
on on --
MR. LEFEBVRE: But what I'm trying to get at is, the thing is,
you state that it's heavy equipment. There's -- you didn't see any heavy
equipment. I don't see any written statement from a person verifying
that there was heavy equipment.
We have testimony from Mr. Williams on record stating that it
was not heavy equipment, that he used a pole chainsaw to trim some
trees. I don't see any pictures of roots being cut or anything.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No stumps.
MR. LEFEBVRE: No stumps or anything, thank you.
I make a ruling that there is no violation, and that's what I was
trying to get at. So my -- I make a motion --
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Chairman, I second that motion.
MR. LEFEBVRE: I make a motion that there's no violation.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Second that motion.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion, and we
have a second.
Discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I tend to agree, and my main reason
for agreeing is there's no witness here --
MR. LEFEBVRE: Right.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- to corroborate anything that
happened. The only thing -- there's no evidence, no stumps.
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MR. DOINO: Or even a picture of the big tractor unit, whatever.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's correct. So I tend to agree.
Any other comments on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor?
MR. MARINO: Aye.
MR. DOINO: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye.
MR. LAVINSKI: Aye.
MR. L'ESPERANCE: Aye.
MR. ASHTON: Aye.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Carries unanimously.
MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You're now free to --
MR. WILLIAMS: Get out of here and leave you guys alone?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes.
MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. I wanted to make a one-minute quick
thing.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Go ahead.
MR. WILLIAMS: I worked with Clemmer, who was the code
enforcement agent here years ago. I was on the board of Jaycees who
helped out, make and write a lot of these little ordinances and laws and
rules. I worked with Morrison, who was also the code enforcement
man here for many, many, many years. I worked with Ed Garing
(phonetic) who was just, not too long ago, the code enforcement man
in trying to clarify and make these things simple.
These laws are written so confused that I don't know how anyone
makes heads or tails out of them or defines -- or how Michaelle even
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does her job with that blatantly over-worded, repeated, insane amount
of information.
That's all I have to say.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, thank you for your comments.
MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: But you need to go to the
commissioners to change the LDC. This is probably not the venue for
that. But we understand.
MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you. She's nudging me to go. Thank
you.
MS. ADAMS: The next item on the agenda is No. 7, new
business, the workshop scheduling discussion.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All the cases are done. We --
the county, in their ultimate wisdom, permitted us to go to an excellent
training course that was held a couple weeks ago -- actually more than
a couple weeks ago, about a month ago -- and I think that -- and we
were all there. And I think we learned a lot.
And some of the discussion and what was covered at the meeting
dealt with Florida Statute 162 that I believe some of our rules that we
have maybe need to be clarified, modified, or whatever based on what
we learned at that class.
So what I was suggesting is that we spend some time at some
point in time, not necessarily today -- not today because we're not
prepared -- to review what we learned at the class, go over our rules
again to make sure we are in compliance, and pick a time that would
either be after one of our meetings that's a light meeting, like today, or
maybe take a break, have a sandwich or something, and then have a
discussion on that after.
So comments from the Board regarding that?
MR. ASHTON: I think that's a good idea because there's a lot of
confusion going on lately with the new changes in the rules and
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everything, I think we've got to update ourselves because we have had
a problem about making a ruling.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay.
MR. MARINO: Well, if you have a meeting like today that
ended at 10:19, it would probably be good to have it after a short
meeting rather than extended or something.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Do you have any idea what next month looks
like?
MS. ADAMS: Unfortunately, no; I can't tell at this time.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, one of the things I'd like to do
before we have it -- and I don't know which way to do it -- to get a
copy of the statute, 162, either via email -- I don't know how thick it is.
Do you have any idea, Jeff? Have you read it?
MR. WRIGHT: I have. It's pretty thin, actually, relative to some
other statutes. I'd say it's probably 10 pages, give or take.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Great.
MR. WRIGHT: We could easily round it up and email it to
everybody. I think everybody should have a current copy of the latest
legislation.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Why don't we do this so that we're
prepared, whether it's next week -- we'll see how the meeting goes. If
we can get a copy of that and maybe a revised copy or the latest copy
of our rules. I don't think there were any changes in the rules in the
past six months or so, and then we could discuss that at that meeting.
MS. NICOLA: I would say that those of us that were at the
seminar, that 162 was included in the blue packet.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is that --
MS. NICOLA: It's at the end. And it's -- it looks to be pretty
complete even including the history notes, but -- and it's maybe eight
pages.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We can use that.
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MR. MARINO: That's a good idea. I suggest that you bring the
Reuben sandwich, being that you said we could have sandwiches. So
you could bring the sandwiches.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'll be glad to bring them if you'll be
glad to pay for them.
MR. LAVINSKI: The one drum, you know, that I've been
beating for a while is the partial relief on these fines. I guess we all
learned that we can't call them costs. If we want to say let's do
everything except $1,000, we can't call that -- that $1,000 a cost to
process, because Jeff would go bananas trying to prove that we spent
$1,000.
So what I'd like to suggest everyone to think about -- I still want
to do something here -- is that possibly we can say, okay, the fine is
abated except for 10 percent and just leave it at that. So we're going to
have a 10 percent minimum fine on every fine that we decide to relieve
the people of, but there still is some cost. There's some effort. There's
a lot of effort going into this, and I think there ought to be a piece of a
fine that remains in place every time we abate a fine.
MR. MARINO: Well, you've got Mr. Cadenhead who's got a
$114,000 fine. So you're looking at an $11,000 cost.
MR. LAVINSKI: Right.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: But it will be a lot more in 90 days,
too.
MR. LAVINSKI: Right.
MR. MARINO: That's right.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: But -- I understand that. And the
other thing that we can also discuss at that meeting is we have -- and I
don't know how many people have it. I know that Mr. Lavinski uses it.
We have a guide for fines so that we don't fine somebody for a green
pool $100 and somebody else $200.
So we try to, as best we can, use this as a guide, and maybe we
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need to review that as well as far as the fines are concerned. And,
again, the minimum -- not minimum. The maximum fines are listed in
Florida Statute 162. So we can go over that, compare it to our rules,
and go from there.
So does everybody on the Board have the latest copy of the rules?
MR. LEFEBVRE: No.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. Okay. So if you can email
those out at some point. Does everybody have their copy from the
meeting we went to on Florida Statute 162?
MR. LEFEBVRE: Yes.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Not everybody. So if you could
email that out as well. You don't have it, Jeff?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have it. I have one.
MR. WRIGHT: Yeah. We'll send it your way.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I do have my copy, but there
was somebody on the Board who lost theirs, and I won't mention Sue's
name. Oh.
MS. CURLEY: I recycled it last month by mistake.
MR. LAVINSKI: Not me.
MR. MARINO: We won't mention her name?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I won't mention Sue's name.
Okay. Jeff?
MR. WRIGHT: Well, we have some numbers. Are you ready
for those?
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Absolutely.
MR. WRIGHT: Okay.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Six, three, two.
MR. WRIGHT: A quick little report on where we're at in this
year. You may recall that we've been keeping track of the waivers of
fines between this board, the Special Magistrate, and the Board of
County Commissioners, and we've been keeping track since this
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month, July of 2009. So we have a six-year snapshot now, and we just
are approaching -- this is as of the 19th of July, a few days ago --
almost $28 million in fine waivers. So that's pretty monumental. And
we keep getting requests daily for more fine waivers. There's more
going in September to the board meeting, so I expect that that's going
to be continuing as we go forward.
So far this fiscal year, which started October 1st, we have 7,189
code enforcement cases. So we're going to be close to 10,000 for the
fiscal year. By comparison, we have 8,674 educational patrols. So
you can see we're putting our priorities on educating people on the
front end. We think it's worth the resources and the effort because it
tends to get people to comply before having to deal with a hearing.
And so we're working with the people out there, and investigators are
working very hard. Over 20,000 inspections so far this year, so they
really are hammering it out there.
We continue to get a lot of lien searches, about 200 a week.
That's about 40 a day. And that's continuing. We're on schedule to get
about 10,000 of those for the fiscal year, and those are the ones that are
25 bucks a pop, and so that generates revenue for the General Fund,
but there's a lot of money at stake, a quarter million dollars is what
we've been doing the last couple years.
And then, finally, we have just over 1,091 open cases right now
as of July 19th, and that's my report.
Happy to answer any questions.
MR. MARINO: I have a question. How do we come up with the
costs, like $64.17 or $24.13? How do we come up with the costs?
MR. WRIGHT: Well, my understanding of it is -- and we have
two different tribunals, so there might be some slight differences, but
the idea is the costs of preparing the hearing, the copies, everything
that goes out, is divided, and apportioned among the respondents that
are on that agenda, so there is some -- is that consistent with --
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MS. ADAMS: And it's also the number of pages that we mail out
to the respondent, plus the certified mail cost. There's a few different
things involved. But we count the pages that we send, and that's how it
ends up with the odd cents amount.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And the Magistrate's salary in her
bailiwick, so that's why their costs are higher.
MS. ADAMS: Yes.
MR. MARINO: Well, no. I thought that it was not enough of a
cost --
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, they don't --
MR. MARINO: -- based on the amount of time that's spent out
there and everything else.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And how much they pay us.
MR. MARINO: Yeah, especially us. We're due for a raise pretty
soon.
MR. WRIGHT: It should be just -- it should reflect the actual
hard costs for presenting that matter for a hearing. As far as our time
goes, there's a case; it's the Burns Stratton case. Not favorable to local
government, but it does say that you can't factor in your time of your
people when you're assessing fines on a code enforcement case.
Sometimes we think that would be a fair way to do it, but when a
binding court says you can't, you can't.
MR. MARINO: I can't make a motion for a raise then.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You can make a motion for
adjournment.
MR. MARINO: I'll make a motion for adjournment.
MR. LAVINSKI: Second.
CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We are adjourned.
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 10:28 a.m.
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