CCPC Minutes 03/01/2001 RMarch 1, 2001
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
Naples, Florida, March 1, 2001
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Planning
Commission, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 8:30 a.m. in REGULAR
SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East
Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN:
Gary Wrage
Ken Abernathy
Michael Pedone
Russell A. Priddy
Joyceanna J. Rautio
Dwight Richardson
Sam Saadeh
Lora Jean Young
NOT PRESENT: Russell Budd
ALSO PRESENT: Ron Nino, Current Planning Manager
Marjorie M. Student, Assistant County Attorney
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AGENDA
CLERK TO THE BOARD
MAUREEN KENYON
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MEET AT 8:30 A.M., THURSDAY, MARCH 1, 2001
IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ROOM, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING,
COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER, 3301 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST, NAPLES, FLORIDA:
NOTE: INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO 5 MINUTES ON
ANY ITEM. INDIVIDUALS SELECTED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AN
ORGANIZATION OR GROUP ARE ENCOURAGED AND MAY BE
ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM IF SO RECOGNIZED
BY THE CHAIRMAN. PERSONS WISHING TO HAVE WRITTEN OR
GRAPHIC MATERIALS INCLUDED IN THE CCPC AGENDA PACKETS
MUST SUBMIT SAID MATERIAL A MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS PRIOR TO
THE RESPECTIVE PUBLIC HEARING. IN ANY CASE, WRITTEN
MATERIALS INTENDED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CCPC SHALL BE
SUBMITTED TO THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY STAFF A MINIMUM OF
SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL MATERIAL USED
IN PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE CCPC WILL BECOME A
PERMANENT PART OF THE RECORD AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR
PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF
APPLICABLE.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THE CCPC
WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING
THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A
VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH
RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH
THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
1. ROLL CALL BY CLERK
2. ADDENDA TO THE AGENDA
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
4. PLANNING COMMISSION ABSENCES
5. BCC REPORT
6. CHAIRMAN'S REPORT
7.
ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. BD-2000-35, Miles L. Scofield, of Scofieid Marine Consulting, representing David Redshaw, requesting a 16
foot extension for a boat dock protruding a total of 36 feet into the waterway, for property located at 173
Topanga Drive, further described as Lot 84, Southport on the Bay Unit 1, in Section 6, Township 48 South,
Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida. (Coordinator: Ross Gochenaur)
BD-2000-38, Dominic Noveilo, Jr., of Noveiio Building Company, representing Monty Wuttke requesting a
boathouse to be built over an existing dock on property located at 434 Germain Avenue, further described as
Lot 5, Block "P", Conners Vanderbilt Beach Estates, Unit 2, in Section 29, Township 48 South, Range 25
South, Collier County, Florida. (Coordinator: Ross Gochenaur)
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V-2000-34, Don Kirby and Susan Young Kirby, of Construction Courier Services, representing Handy Food
Stores Incorporated, requesting a variance of 30 feet from the required 50 foot yard setback requirement for a
gas station canopy for property located at 2902 Lake Trafford Road, Immokalee. (Coordinator: Fred
Reischl)
V-2000-36, Craig R. Stephens of Stephens Design Group, Inc., representing Allied Doors, Inc., requesting a
35 foot variance from the required 50 foot rear yard setback to 15 feet for property located at 1509 Railhead
Boulevard, further described as Lot 35, Railhead Industrial Park, in Section 10, Township 48 South, Range
25 East, Collier County, Florida. (Continued from 2/15) (Coordinator: Chahram Badamtchian)
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PUD-98-14(I), George L. Varnadoe of Young, van Assenderp, Varnadoe & Anderson, P.A., representing
Granada Shoppes Associates, Ltd., requesting a rezone from "PUD" to "PUD" Planned Unit Development
having the effect of amending the PUD document and PUD master plan to add a hotel as an authorized use
and to reduce authorized retail and office space in lieu of said 175-room hotel, for property located on the
southeast corner of U.S. 41 and Immokalee Road (S.R. 846) in Section 27, Township 48 South, Range 25
East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of 39.23__. acres. (Coordinator: Ron Nino)
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PUD-99-10, Karen K. Bishop of PMS, Inc. of Naples, representing T.O.S. Development, LLC, requesting a
rezone from "A" Rural Agricultural with "ST" overlays to "PUD" Planned Unit Development to be known as
Mirasol PUD for a mixed residential development consisting of not more than 799 dwelling units on property
lying north of Immokalee Road (C.R. 846) and west of a northerly extension of C.R. 951 in Sections 10, 15
and 22, Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of 1,527_+ acres. (Continued
to 3/15) (Coordinator: Ron Nino)
PUD-99-21, William L. Hoover, AICP, of Hoover Planning, representing Edward R. Bryant, Jr., P.A., and
Lloyd G. and Nancy Sheehan, Trustees, requesting a rezone from "A", and G.C. Rural Agriculture to "PUD"
Planned Unit Development to be known as Castlewood at Imperial PUD for a maximum of 34 single-family
dwelling units for property located on the north side of Imperial Golf Course Boulevard, approximately 1.25
miles east of North Tamiami Trail, in Section 14, Township 48 South, Range 25 East, Collier County,
Florida, consisting of 2 I. 16__. acres. (Coordinator: Ray Bellows)
PUD-2000-19, George L. Varnadoe, Esq., of Young, van Assenderp, Varnadoe & Anderson, P.A.,
representing Antaramian Capital Partners, LLC, requesting a rezone from "C-4" to "PUD" Planned Unit
Development to be known as Sandpiper Village PUD, for a maximum of 180 multi-family dwelling units and
a maximum of 45,000 commercial and general office uses, and recreational amenities, for property located on
the south side of Tamiami Trail East (U.S. 41), in Section l l, Township 50 South, Range 25 East, Collier
County, Florida, consisting of 14.99_ acres. (Coordinator: Ron Nino)
8. OLD BUSINESS
9. NEW BUSINESS
10. PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM
11. DISCUSSION OF ADDENDA
12. ADJOURN
03/01/01 CCPC AGEND/RN/im
March 1, 2001
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Let's call to order this meeting
of the Collier County Planning Commission, Thursday, March 1st,
2001. And we'll start with the roll call.
Commissioner Priddy.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Here.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Commissioner Young.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG: Here.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Commissioner Abernathy.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Here.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Commissioner Rautio is absent.
Commissioner Wrage is here. Commissioner Saadeh is absent.
Commissioner Budd is absent. And we welcome back
Commissioner Pedone.
COMMISSIONER PEDONE: Here.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Which is plus or minus body parts. I'm
not sure which.
COMMISSIONER PEDONE'. Minus.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: And Commissioner Richardson.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Yes.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any addenda to the agenda, except for
the continuation to March 15th, Item F?
MR. NINO: No, Mr. Chairman, no addenda other than the
continuation.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Entertain a motion to that effect.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: So moved.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Moved by Commissioner Priddy,
seconded by Commissioner Abernathy to move Item F, the T.O.S.
Development to March 13th.
All in favor, signify by saying, aye.
Opposed? Carried.
I do see we have one set of minutes in front of us. The
February 1st, any additions or corrections?
Entertain a motion to approve?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So moved.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER YOUNG: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Motion made by Commissioner
Richardson, seconded by Commissioner Young. All in favor,
signify by saying, aye.
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Opposed?
Motion carried.
Any Planning Commission absences?
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: I may, in fact, not be here on the
15th.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' So noted.
COMMISSIONER PEDONE: I will not be here on the 15th.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: I won't be here on the 15th.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Looks like I will be here on the
15th.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Getting shorter by the minute. Those
that plan on being here, please take note of that.
Ron, anything from the Board of County Commissioners?
MR. NINO: The Board of Commissioners, all of the petitions
that were on the agenda yesterday were -- were solved in a
manner consistent with your recommendations.
The largest discussion yesterday was on excavations. And
you might expect that staff in the near future will prepare an
amendment dealing with the whole issue of excavations,
particularly in the estates district. I think in the estates district
we'll probably have the -- come to you with an amendment that
suggests certain conditions prerequisite to their being allowed in
the estates district, for certain size excavations, for sizes -- for
excavations that are a little larger than the 4,000 -- are large
enough to really cause a problem will probably become a
conditional use in the near future, but you'll be -- you'll be seeing
in the near future an amendment to the land development code
dealing with that whole issue of excavations in the estates
district in particular.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: So the petition for the five acres
that we turned down, they also turned down.
MR. NINO: No.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY'. No.
MR. NINO: Where's Chahram? Chahram here? Was that on
the agenda?
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Let the record show that
Commissioner Saadeh is here. Okay. Welcome back.
COMMISSIONER SAADEH: Good morning. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Did you bring us presents from abroad
or anything?
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COMMISSIONER SAADEH: Myself.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay.
MR. NINO: Russell, that wasn't on the agenda yesterday,
anyway, that was M&H Stables that was on.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Oh, okay. So that hasn't come up
yet.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. The chairman has no report. So
we'll go right into the advertised public hearings starting off with
BD-2000-35, boat dock.
All those wishing to give testimony in this please rise and
raise your right hand and be sworn in by the court reporter.
(The speakers were sworn in.)
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Ross.
MR. GOCHENAUR: Good morning, commissioners, for the
record, Ross Gochenaur, Planning Services. The petitioner is
requesting a 16-foot extension to create a docking facility
protruding a total of 36 feet into the waterway. The property is
located at 173 Topanga Drive in Lely Barefoot Beach, and
contains about 75 feet of water frontage. The project consists of
the construction of a U-shaped dock with a single boat lift. While
the proposed dock would result in less than 50 percent of the
waterway width maintained, the 50 percent specified by the
criterion, the petitioner submits that the 60 feet of navigatible
waterway remaining would still allow safe passage of vessels. In
support of this contention, the Southport Property Owners'
Association has approved the location and configuration of the
dock.
We've had no objections to this petition. Taking this into
consideration, the staff feels that the proposed dock meets the
main intent of the code, and we, therefore, recommend approval.
Questions?
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any questions? If not, I have one,
which will probably be answered by the petitioner, but I noticed
the -- the way the dock is put in, you have to come across the
neighbor in order to get it in; in other words, it's a side loading
dock, so to speak, rather than a straight in. And I do notice that
the next lot is kind of an odd shape. I guess, I'd ask the
petitioner to address that, if he would.
MR. SCOFIELD: Good morning. Rocky Scofield representing
the applicant. I'm also working for the neighbor. And we've
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already located his dock, and it's going to be far enough away
from this one, George Kellogg, owns the lot -- the lot adjacent to
that, so he's going to start building, and I'm going to be doing his
petition, so he's well aware of this, and there's no objection from
him.
COMMISSIONER WRAGE: Okay. Any questions of
petitioner?
Anyone else from the public wish to address this issue?
If not, I'll close the public hearing. Don't everybody speak
up at once.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Call for a motion to approve
the petition, BD-2000-35.
COMMISSIONER PEDONE.' Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Motion made by Commissioner
Richardson, seconded by Commissioner Pedone. Any further discussion?
If not, all in favor signify by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried. Thank you.
Next is boat dock 2000-38. All those wishing to give
testimony on this please rise, raise your right hand and be sworn
in by the court reporter.
(The speakers were sworn in.)
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Ross.
MR. GOCHENAUR.' For the record, Ross Gochenaur,
Planning Services. The petitioner's requesting approval of a
boathouse to be built over an existing dock and lift. The property
is located at 434 Germain Avenue in Connors' Vanderbilt Beach
and contains about 75 feet of waterfrontage. At the time when
the existing dock and lift were built and permitted, there was a
single-family home on the property. This home has since been
demolished and a new home is under construction on the site.
The existing dock and lift cannot legally be used until a
certificate of occupancy is issued for the home now under
construction. The facility would meet all code criteria for a
boathouse and the roof would match that of the principal
structure.
We've had no objections to this petition and staff
recommends approval.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any questions of staff? Does the
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petitioner wish to address the commission?
MR. STEVENS: Only if the commission has any questions.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Anyone else from the public wish to
address this issue?
If not, I'll close the public hearing.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: And there's been no
comments from the public of the --
MR. Gochenaur: Oh, no, sir. We've had no objections.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Mr. Chairman, I move that we
forward petition BD-2000-38 to the -- or that we approve
BD-2000-38.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Moved by Commissioner Priddy,
seconded by Commissioner Abernathy. Any further discussion?
If not, all in favor, signify by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
Next is V-2000-34, Handy Food Stores, Incorporated.
All those wishing to give testimony on this, please rise, raise
your right hand and be sworn in by the court reporter. (The speakers were sworn in.)
MR. REISCHL: Good morning, commissioners, Fred Reischl,
Planning Services. This is a request for a variance at an existing
Handy Food store. And it's -- the location is at the northwest
corner of the intersection of Lake Trafford Road and Carson Road
in Immokalee. It's the existing Handy Food Store. The
automobile service station and convenience store regulations
require a 50 foot front yard setback for all structures, including
pumps and canopies. This gas station was constructed without
a canopy, and it -- the existing pump, let's see, here in green is
the existing pump, was constructed prior to 1999 when the 50
foot regulation was put in effect. At that time it was a 25 foot
front yard setback, and this existing pump is approximately 35
feet from the property lines. That easily met the setback at the
time.
Due to insurance regulations, the petitioner would like to
install a canopy and as long as they're doing the construction,
they wanted to install and reconfigure pumps at the station. This
would involve either moving the entire tank infrastructure at the
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bottom or to request a variance to allow the canopy and pumps
to encroach into the front yard 50 foot setback.
The petitioner would be required to have a site development
plan, which will bring the landscaping up to code to the greatest
extent possible. And the canopy will have to meet the
architectural design guidelines for the new part of the canopy.
We had no objections from any surrounding property owners
to this until yesterday, Transportation Department had some
questions on pedestrian traffic flow in the area. And I see Mr.
Kant here, I'll let him address that for you.
MR. KANT: Good morning, Edward Kant, Transportation
Operations Director. Thank you, Fred. Commissioners, I -- I
happened to glance through the package and I thought this was
a relatively innocuous request and probably still is a relatively
innocuous request. But I think there's some information that you
need to be aware of before you make your recommendation to
the board.
First of all, the location itself is a fairly tight site. It's
located at a very busy, heavily traveled intersection with respect
to pedestrian traffic and school children. There is a crossing
guard stationed there. We have targeted that particular
intersection for a traffic signal analysis. Across the street to the
east is the Jubilation or Jubilee -- excuse me, Harvest for
Humanity site, and when that starts to build out, there's going to
be even additional foot traffic in that area, and probably more
pedestrian traffic.
Our concern is not with the fact that they've got gas pumps,
they want to continue to use gas pumps. They've had them there
for a number of years.
Our concern was with the intensification of the use, with the
reconfigured geometry that would bring the vehicle traffic much
closer to the edge of the sidewalk than it is today. When I
looked at the way those pumps are proposed to be configured, it
is reminiscent of a similar configuration, for example there's a
Hess station right up the street here near Mercantile Avenue that
some of you may be familiar with, which has a similar type of
configuration. That's going to attract a lot more traffic.
Obviously, it's going to be better for business, but it's also going
to cause some great interferences with the pedestrian traffic
that's already there.
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I realize that if they choose to merely meet the setback,
they could probably get what they want to get, and only get
through the site plan process. Our concern is that by moving
those pumps closer to the street, there may be an increased
danger to the school children and those pedestrians.
I'm not here to lobby or argue against this variance, I simply
want to put these facts on the record so that you'll have all of
the information when you make your decision. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Question for Mr. Kant
through Mr. Priddy.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Ed, we also at some point would
like to think that that road's going to be improved there, and
another lane put in or some -- some widening --
MR. KANT: Are you referring to Lake Trafford Road, sir?
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Lake Trafford, yes.
How is this -- how is this going to fit in with --
MR. Kant: That would be tough -- I don't know of any
present plans, and noticed Ms. Wolff is here. She may be able to
give you some information, but I don't believe there are any
present or near term plans to do any major improvements to
Lake Trafford. I know we're looking at some shoulder and
sidewalk improvements, definitely some shoulder improvements.
I doubt that the traffic volumes along Lake Trafford are ever
going to rise to the point where we have to seriously consider
four-laning it.
On the other hand, I do know that we have some constraints
with turn lanes and things up there as some of the commercial
development intensifies.
So I can see some localized improvements over time. Also,
Carson Road, where it comes down there, we already begin to
see the need for some additional turn lanes. I would be very
concerned, because I know that at some point we'll most likely
have to approach these folks and possibly the Jubilation Harvest
for Humanity folks about some additional right-of-way slivers in
order to accommodate the traffic. Especially, if we do wind up
signalizing that at some point.
So there are a number of concerns, but, as I say, that's
something we'd have to encounter in the ordinary course of
business, anyhow.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: And what is the sidewalk
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situation at this site now?
MR. Kant: There is a sidewalk immediately -- well, in the
drawing here, where this blue -- where I've got my pen, is a
sidewalk.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Okay.
MR. Kant: About a five foot, I think it's an asphalt sidewalk.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Yeah, yeah.
MR. Kant: Across the street, going north and south along
the east side of the road, there's a sidewalk, and then there is
none on the west side of Carson, as far as I'm aware.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY.' Okay. If these, the configuration
of these dispensers were, rather than put on a diagonal, if they
were -- were parallel to the road, would that help a little bit or --
MR. Kant: It's -- as I said, it's still a tight site. They can
certainly geometrically get what they need to get. This is an
issue that's going to come back to you probably a number of
times over the next few months or a few years. I know that
Handy Stores alone has got several shops up in the -- in the
Immokalee area that they're probably going to look to modernize
and upgrade. As far as whether or not -- we have not done any
kind of a detailed geometric analysis. I've never -- I had not even
seen this until yesterday. So -- but it just -- it caught my eye,
because it is very typical of the type of thing that we find where
you do have a tight site, and you're very close to the roadway.
The further back front -- that's why we have these setbacks in
the first place. The further back you can get the canopy, the
pumps and move that circulation away from any potential for
intermingling with pedestrians or with traffic that's merely trying
to transit the site, the better off you are.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY.' Well --
MR. REISCHL.' And I'd just like to just add a comment too
that the site plan, and if you decide to recommend approval for
this, the site plan is approving a 30 foot setback. They're not
approving the pump configuration. That can be addressed during
site plan review, along with landscaping, along with -- another
thing Mr. Kant brought up was access control; for example, the
east property line is basically one big driveway. Access control
would be put in place with the SDP.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY.' Ed, would it -- would this be an
appropriate time or at the site development would that be an
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appropriate time to -- to maybe help with the turn lane, or what's
needed on the --
MR. Kant: Well, this is a variance, which is the zoning
matter. The site plan won't come back to you folks, I don't
believe.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: No.
MR. Kant: I believe the site plan is an administrative issue,
and, frankly, if at that point in time it's determined that it's
appropriate for us to try to obtain a piece of property for a turn
lane or whatever, I don't think that we can very well use that as
a quid pro quo for approving the site plan. We're going to have to
go out and buy it like anybody else.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Yeah. And I'm not -- wasn't
heading in that direction, but if it -- if it helped at this point with
configuration, I know that's not exactly the issue here either, but
it--
MR. Kant: I can't answer that, sir, because we -- as I say,
we don't really have a geometry proposed for that intersection.
We don't -- we don't know what the effect of this is going to be on
the traffic circulation. As I say, I haven't had a chance to really
look at it, but because I -- I'm aware of the issues surrounding
this particular intersection and these two streets, the
surrounding neighborhood, I felt it was appropriate to bring these
issues up and make sure you're aware of them while you're
making your deliberations.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Mr. Richardson.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr. Reischl, they're --
presently they're 35 feet away and they want to go to 30 feet
away from the edge. The amount of -- it's supposed to be 50 foot,
but they ran ahead of that.
MR. REISCHL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So it's a grandfathered
nonconforming in effect right now.
MR. REISCHL: Legal nonconforming the way it exists,
correct.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: And want to make it further
legally non-conforming -- conforming by coming up another five
feet, am I hearing it right?
MR. REISCHL: Generally, that's --
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COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Going from 35 to 30 feet.
MR. REISCHL: Correct. Plus an additional structure. The
canopy is new. There's no canopy there now.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: The canopy is within the
envelope that's permitted. The canopy is not what's creating the
variance; is that correct?
MR. REISCHL: No. The canopy is part of the variance, too.
All structures require a 50 foot setback in automobile service
stations.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: My other question then to
both of you, in view of the fact that you've got the transportation
people now on board, and there's seeming -- to my ears, coming
up with a different view than your current accumulation of views,
does that alter your view towards recommendation?
MR. REISCHL: No. I think that the issues that Mr. Kant
raised can be addressed during SDP review, and as I said, the
configuration is not etched in stone on this plan that you see.
The 30 foot setback would be, but the pump line, and if they can
devise a better on-site circulation that would better suit
pedestrian traffic in the area, I think that would be a site plan
issue, more than a variance issue.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Can you predict for me that
the site plan, though, will materially change the fact that this --
all this operation is closer to the street. I mean, I just don't see
that the site plan is going to deal with that issue.
MR. REISCHL.' Well, we can have improved traffic flow.
That was the main thing, because right now, as I said, the entire
eastern boundary is basically a driveway. It's asphalt to asphalt.
By putting in landscaping, having directional arrows, which are
all part of the site development plan, that will create a traffic --
an on-site traffic flow.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Which is the eastern side on
the --
MR. REISCHL: I haven't got a north on my map.
Right here.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: This is the eastern side?
MR. REISCHL: Carson Road side, yes.
MR. NINO: Ron Nino, for the record. Are the gas pumps --
the gas pumps are currently in place, aren't they?.
MR. REISCHL.' One pump. They want to add -- they want to
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reconfigure that pump and add two more.
MR. NINO: Want to add two more. But then the underground
-- of course, the underground tanks don't necessarily dictate the
location of the pumps, necessarily, is there -- but there's only one
set of pumps?
MR. REISCHL: One island, right.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions? Just a
comment, having used this station for about eight years, to me
it's an improvement, but my question, and as far as the sidewalk
is concerned, you're right, there's a lot of school children. When
I used to go by there most of them went through the gas station
anyway, because most of them go to Eden Park. And I realize it's
all vacant area around there which will be developed some day.
But as far as the sidewalk, was the least used part of it
presently.
MR. REISCHL: Yeah. That was one of our concerns.
Obviously, you know, you can't very well, short of, I guess,
putting some kind of a fence or something, but you can't very
well keep those kids from cutting across or any of the peds., but,
again, the issue has to do with the intensification use, which,
again, is not really germane to be addressed at this point, but
there may be -- there may even be a way that they could
accomplish their purpose without even getting the variance. I
don't know. The issue here is that -- that these -- these types of
concerns, I think, are appropriate to consider when considering
this particular application. That's the only thing I want to get on
the record.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Fred, one question, then, what is
between -- is there just a curb between the sidewalk and where
the cars are, or is there a little buffering area in there? I can't
tell by looking at this.
MR. REISCHL: On the south?
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Between the sidewalk and where the
pumps are, is there a buffering area in there or is it a sidewalk
curb, asphalt?
MR. REISCHL: No. There's a -- on Lake Trafford Road
there's small landscape. They're proposing to curb it, and, again,
what we require on a site development plan -- the site
development plan may well very require a sidewalk along the
eastern Carson Road.
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CHAIRMAN WRAGE: I'm not talking about the -- the
southernmost part along Lake Trafford. There is somewhat of a
little dirt buffer area there. Is there still going to be one of those
or is it curbed asphalt?
MR. REISCHL: No. It'll be landscaped, in fact.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of staff?
If not, can we hear from the petitioner?.
MR. KIRBY: Hi. For the record, Don Kirby. I'm representing
Handy Food Stores. Also Charlie Martin is a representative of the
owners' group here, and he'll be able to answer some questions.
A couple things I want to clear up. I think from what we
found out in our research, the road work that has been planned
to go in this intersection has occurred at this time. I don't
believe, other than some additional sidewalks and stuff around
that area, that's about all we're going to run into, as far as -- with
addressing the potential for right-of-way in the future.
I'm sure that Fred's group will be able to confirm that. We --
we want you guys to know that we intend to bring -- to work with
the County and bring this entire site up to a modern-day
appearance with the new canopy and the gas islands.
If you notice now the gas islands themselves, if you look in
the center of those dog-bone shaped islands, that's
approximately where the pumps are going to be located. So the
pump itself is only going to be slightly forward of where the
existing pump is now.
The other concern that -- that might not be considered a
hardship, I heard Mr. Kant indicating that there might be another
area on the property to relocate this entire fuel system. If we
take and attempt to move the island back towards the store to
fall inside -- fall inside the building envelope, what we're going to
do is limit the backing -- create more of a danger of people
coming out of the store, getting in their car and backing out. The
islands would be closer to the store, thus creating a greater
chance of an incident occurring from that angle.
We feel that when we do our site plan remake of the whole
area, we're going to be putting in delineation of painting,
stripping, re-delineating the entrances like Fred was saying
earlier, we're going to be required to put in some landscape
islands and that. Safety is our number one concern.
One of the main reasons we're pushing for the canopy is to
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provide a cover over the customers to keep them out of the rain
and the environment. We certainly don't want to mix any spilt
gas with water, becomes a slip hazard. These points have been
brought up to us by our insurance company to try to do
something about it.
So we've come to you to ask for this variance. Based on our
research, we feel that we have no choice but to leave it where it
is. If we try to move it back, we're going to run into what we call
our tank farm, underground tanks, and if we get into that we're
going to have to excavate about $250,000 worth of tanks and
reinstall, because if we move our canopy system and islands
back, in order to put the footings in for the canopy, we'll have to
penetrate into the ground, and unfortunately with the water table
and the way it is, we can't get the tanks deep enough to allow
the canopy footings to go on top, nor is that a practical
construction solution. That way if you ever have problems with
your tanks, you cannot get to them without destroying your
canopy system, to service your tanks.
So, Mr. Kant might've not been aware of the location of the
tank farm, but we are really restricted as to where we can place
this at this time.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: This is not part of the variance, but are
you basically upgrading that whole corner of your store?
MR. KIRBY: I'm going to let Mr. Martin address that. He's
been working with the Chamber and the County.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Because there's presently a
Laundromat there also which adds to the traffic.
MR. MARTIN: Excuse me, I'm Charlie Martin with Handy
Food Stores. In addition to the gas canopy, we are going to be
putting in there Elastamerit (phonetic) coating over the metal
roofing, doing repainting, doing some upgrade on the inside of
the store. And also dressing up the Laundromat, addressing the
restroom facilities in the Laundromat for customers.
One thing that Don didn't mention is along with the security
concerns that we have; is that we're working closely with the
cops program in Immokalee, the community cleanup
organization, I think they have the Cleanup 2001, and in
Immokalee, this happens to be on one of the highest crime
streets in Immokalee. So we felt like we needed to get the
additional lighting that the canopy would provide to help
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minimize vagrancy, crime and everything in that area. And we
feel that this is a good step towards providing that.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of petitioner?.
MR. MARTIN: I'm sorry?
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: No further questions -- I was asking if
there were any further questions --
MR. NINO: Is there any level of tolerance, I mean, can you
move it back five feet, six feet or is it -- MR. MARTIN: We've studied that.
MR. NINO: -- this is absolutely the minimum you require?
MR. MARTIN: In order to have a car back out of the -- of the
parking spaces in front of the store where the handicap and all of
the other customer parking is, this is a minimum for them to
back out and make a radius without interfering with somebody at
the gas island. It's tight now the way it is with the dogbone
running parallel to the store. We thought by putting them on an
angle that would facilitate traffic getting in and out of the gas
pump.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Presently there's two egresses, an
egress off of Lake Trafford and one off of Carson Road. Will that still be the same?
MR. MARTIN: Yes, sir. The two on Lake Trafford and one on
Carson Road, that will all be the same.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Because back to Mr. Kant, the one of
them is the right part of that corner, that goes off onto Lake
Trafford.
MR. Kant: The Lake Traff-- excuse me, the Lake Trafford
side as Mr. Reischl pointed out is pretty much one continuous
driveway that goes around the corner to where you see the
island on that drawing.
I do want to make one comment, I wouldn't call it a
correction. I want to make one comment to something Mr. Kirby
said, he's correct in that the existing geometry is what it is. But
if we determine that a signal is an appropriate traffic control
device at that location, and if we find that due to the need for
storage or queuing for turning movements, that we need
additional right-of-way, then we will, in fact, be coming back to
the adjacent property owners to obtain that right-of-way.
So I don't want you to think that, okay, you know, this is
never going to be affected by anything that goes on up there. I
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just didn't want -- and I don't think Mr. Kirby meant to leave that
impression with you, but there is a potential out there for
additional right-of-way needs.
MR. KIRBY: Yeah, my comment was that at the time of
research it appeared that all of the work, but, of course, in the
future anything can change. The important thing along the side,
Fred indicated that that's basically asphalt from asphalt on the
Carson Road side, I think it was, Fred. And, of course, in our site
plan, we'll work -- we'll be working with the County on. There'll
most likely be some requirements to break up that asphalt a
little bit, thus creating some islands, whether they be landscape
islands or turning traffic control islands, there's probably going
to be some requirements from them to address that, which would
also restrict the flow, as right now you can come in and just ]et
right into the store. But once we break it up a little bit in the site
plan development, that'll help slow that traffic down coming into
the site, which, of course, would create a little bit safer
environment for the kids that, you're right, do cut right across
the store, shortest distance is a straight line.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: But my part was the cut in along Lake
Trafford, the people basically go right through the whole
intersection, coming in and going out, in that particular--
MR. KIRBY: Yeah. That's one of the issues we're going to
have to address with Fred, because we do want to create a little
bit more controlled environment with the traffic flow there. But
our big concern is pushing -- is the safety, and this is a proven,
the dogbones at an angle is a proven traffic, you've got -- when
you're backing out of the store, you're now backing into the lead
ends of the island, which are protected with some type of
protection devices. Right now if you take to try to move those in,
I think we're going to be creating a little bit more of a safety
hazard from the aspect of backing away from the store after
you've done your shopping and that.
So we really feel we're good where we are. We hope you
guys agree with us and can grant us approval to move on to the
next step.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of the petitioner?.
If not,~ anyone from the public wish to address this issue?
If not, I will close the public hearing.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Mr. Chairman, I move that we
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forward petition V-2000-34 to the Board of County
Commissioners for the recommendation of approval.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Moved by Commissioner Priddy,
seconded by Commissioner Abernathy. Any further discussion?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Just a question on the
motion. I'm always influenced by the comments of my fellow
commissioners, but in this particular case, I'm very much
influenced by Commissioner Priddy and Chairman Wrage's views
of this, because that's your backyard, and I really depend on your
views to reflect what's best for the public and without hearing
that I can't really, without your input, I would not feel very
comfortable with the safety issues out there, but if that's the
position you take, I'll support it.
· COMMISSIONER PRIDDY-' Yeah. I feel the -- being able to
better define the ingress and egress improvements that'll take
place with the site development plan will, in fact, you know,
perhaps enhance that area, as opposed to the wide open asphalt
to asphalt that is there now.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: And I certainly agree with that. And I
was glad that Ed was here, because that was my concern, it's
kind of an open season area right there. And, unfortunately, the
kids, when they come down, they just kind of -- it's a shotgun
dispersement right through that whole area, but anyway.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Okay.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: All those in favor of the motion, signify
by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
Let the record show that our Vice Chairperson has shown
up, Commissioner Rautio.
With that, we'll go to petition V-2000-36, Allied Doors, Inc.
All those wishing to give testimony on this, please rise, raise
your right hand and be sworn in by the court reporter. (The speakers were sworn in.)
MR. BADAMTCHIAN: Good morning, commissioners,
Chahram Badamtchian from Planning Services staff. This is a
rear yard variance request for an industrially zoned property.
The property is located on Railhead Boulevard, off of Old US 41.
On the east side of the road there are seven lots. Six of them are
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already developed with a 15 foot setback. When the subdivision
was created it was adjacent to an agriculturally zoned property.
And the setback -- rear setback from architecturally zoned
property in the industrially zoned district is 15 feet.
Now, the applicant is -- which owns the building next door is
trying to expand into this vacant lot. And the property -- the
architecturally zoned was recently rezoned to residential PUD.
And the setback for residential PUD is 50 feet, as opposed to 15.
However, the residentially zoned PUD does not have any
residential tract abutting this industrial lot. There is a buffer,
some preserve on the golf course, before you reach a
residentially zoned tract. And that's why staff recommends
approval of this variance. And I have received a letter from the
Bonita Bay Group, which owns the Mediterra, which this lot
abuts, and they have no problem with it. They asked for some
conditions and stipulations, which I don't believe the owner of
the industrial lot has any problem meeting these conditions.
Mr. Thinnes from Bonita Bay Properties is here to address
this.
As I said, the staff recommends approval of this, since this
is the last remaining lot and all other lots, they were built with a
50 foot setback.
MR. NINO: Fifteen.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Chahram, could you identify the
concerns that Bonita Bay has?
MR. BADAMTCHIAN: Yes. They don't want an overhead
garage in the back. Let me read it, no overhead doors be
allowed at the rear of the building. Any new addition would
provide overhead doors in the same configuration as the existing
building, which that's what they were -- are going to do. Any
exterior lighting on the rear of the building be shielded to prevent
light from displaying over the property line. Any exterior PA or
sound system be directed away from the rear property line.
Those are the conditions that they would like to have.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, let me
understand, that's -- that PUD, that's the Mediterra that's behind?
MR. BADAMTCHIAN-' Yes.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: And you -- did I hear you say
that's a golf course that's planned there or --
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MR. BADAMTCHIAN'- Well, there's a golf course.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: There will not be any
residences on --
MR. BADAMTCHIAN.' There will not be any residential close
to this lot, correct.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of staff?
If not --
COMMISSIONER SAADEH: I have a question for the county
attorney. Marjorie, I've done business with Allied Doors, a couple
lobs, and I'll probably do business -- I'll do business with them in
the future. Just for the record, if that's a conflict, I'll abstain, if
not --
MS. STUDENT: I think that it maybe will for you on the
appearances of the impropriety to conflict out. I don't have the
forms. I would, again, ask members of the commission to give us
a little advance notice if they can, so I can bring the forms with
me to the meeting, and do any necessary research, but I think
that would be the wisest thing to do.
COMMISSIONER SAADEH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Can we hear from the
petitioner?
MR. STEVENS: Craig Stevens, Stevens Design --
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: You need to come to the microphone,
please.
MR. STEVENS: Craig Stevens, Stevens Design Group, and
I'm representing the petitioner. I don't have any questions (sic),
unless the board has any -- any questions they'd like to address.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Do you agree with Bonita Bay's
conditions?
MR. STEVENS: Yes, yes. We will not be putting any
overhead doors in the back, and any lighting can be directed.
Their terms and conditions that they -- that they're implying here
will not adversely affect us in our expansion of the building.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions? Anyone else
from the public wish to address this issue? MR. NINO: Bob Thinnes.
MR. THINNES: Good morning. For the record, my name is
Bob Thinnes, planning manager with the Bonita Bay Group. The
only comment I wanted to make is that we understand the
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situation, and all we're trying to do is just lessen any off site
impacts that we may have. But we -- I've met with the owners
and I've had a couple discussions with them, and I understand
what their situation is.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Thank you. Anyone else?
If not, I'll close the public meeting.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Mr. Chairman, I move that we
forward petition V-2000-36 to the Board of County
Commissioners with the recommendation of approval.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Moved by Commissioner Priddy,
seconded by Commissioner Abernathy, and that's the Board of
Zoning Appeals, right?
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Board of Zoning Appeals, yes.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Just a question. If the
commitments that they've talked about are not included in the
package, do we add -- make sure those are added?
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Yes. I'll add the request by Bonita
Bay --
MR. BADAMTCHIAN: We were late with that. The letter I
have received is dated February 28th, so it's -- I received it this
morning. We will add this to the resolution of approval.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Further discussion? If not, all in
favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
Let it show that Mr. Saadeh abstained. With that, we will
go to PUD 98-14 (1). I keep saying it's Grenada, but I'm told it's
Granada.
MS. STUDENT: Mr. Chairman, I need to make a statement
on the record before the testimony. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Before or after we swear them in?
MS. STUDENT: Probably after.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. All those who wish to give
testimony on this please rise, raise your right hand and be sworn
in by the court reporter.
(The speakers were sworn in.)
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Mar]orie, for the record.
MS. STUDENT: Mar]orie Student, Assistant County Attorney.
A question's come up about this PUD, because there's an
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addition of a setback change. I have reviewed the county
ordinance that was prepared, and the title is generic, stating that
it is a rezone from PUD to PUD. So I see no problem based on
that title. And that's what we advertised. I see no problem with
this addition, because it doesn't -- it's not in conflict or anything
with the title. And this is how we always do a PUD to PUD, with
a generic title, and it can include anything, so.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Okay. Thank you, Mar]orie.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Is this a disclosure situation?
MS. STUDENT: Yes. There needs to be ex parte
disclosures.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Well, I had a conversation
with Bruce Anderson about this subject.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: I'd like to disclose that I also had
a conversation with Bruce Anderson, an attorney from the law
firm representing this petitioner.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Anyone else?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: I'm disappointed I was not
contacted by Bruce Anderson.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: He was lucky to catch me.
MR. NINO: For the record --
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Ron.
MR. NINO: -- Ron Nino, Planning Services. The petition
that's before you purports to amend the Granada Shoppes PUD,
which you all know is actively under construction. The vast
majority of the floor area intended there is now in place. The
amendment does two things, that it asks that you trade off
current development in retail and office space for a hotel. And
the trade-off -- the trade-off in terms of traffic impact does -- staff
report advises and the traffic analysis, which I think you-all
received a copy of the traffic analysis in that packet, as well,
supports the premise that there is, indeed, a reduction in traffic
generation by this trade-off from the current authorized floor
space, 275 suite unit hotel. And the location of that hotel, I think
has been a matter of some concern. We understand it's going to
be on the south side up against the Pelican Marsh golf course
development. I don't have any speaker slips, but I did receive
some calls from people that were concerned. I gather that if
they're not here, then that problem's gone away.
The other thing that this amendment asks you to do is to
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reduce the setback requirement for buildings on four -- US 41,
Tamiami Trail from 40 feet to 25 feet. And I think you-all know
why. There's a building currently in a state of construction,
which has come to a halt because of this issue, that was
erroneously located nearer the street line than the 40 feet. And
apparently it's going to take about a 25 foot reduction -- 15 foot
reduction in setback to 25 feet to correct that situation. That
amendment will only apply, incidentally, to that building and not
to the rest -- the remainder of the property on -- on the Tamiami
Trail. Your plan may not include the -- a detail that allows you to
really appreciate this situation. And I'm going to hand out --
blowups.
Quite frankly when staff looked at it, and as the staff report
points out, the 25 foot setback is not -- is not something that we
are not accustomed to. It is, after all, the minimum setback that
is required in most of the commercial zoning districts.
So, you know, it's not that unusual to have a building 25 feet
from the street line. When that setback was generated, I
suspect that the thinking was that we ought to get a wider, more
open space vista here. However, if you look at the location of
the Macaroni Grill site, if you drive along that street, you'll note
that there's a lot of open space. I mean, most of the -- there
aren't any out parcels close to this Macaroni Grill, and, indeed,
north and south of it, are amenity features, which as a
professional planner, I think goes a long way to ameliorating the
impact of that building at 25 feet verse 50 feet.
Additionally, when you think of buildings at a greater
setback, you normally think in terms of a front loaded parking
condition.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Ron --
MR. NINO: Yes.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: -- before you go any farther, where are
we talking about on the map, right in the middle where it says
development?
MR. NINO: I'm glad you mentioned that.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Between the two water
features.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: I'm assuming that's where it is, but --
MR. NINO: We're talking about right in this area here.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Thank you.
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MR. NINO.' Between that lake and that lake.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Thank you.
MR. NINO: Again, as I say, when you think about setback,
you normally think about in terms of front loaded setback, front
loaded parking. There will not be any front loaded parking in
front of the Macaroni Grill. It'll entirely be a landscaped view.
And because of those circumstances, staff did not really
have that much of a heartburn over an amendment to the PUD to
allow the Macaroni Grill to continue constructing their building.
Additionally, in order to clarify the document with respect to
amenity -- amenity features, we wanted to make sure that they
didn't apply to amenity features. For example, they have an
arbor or something they want to put near the corner, and
technically that would be a structure and would be subject to the
40 foot setback requirement, and that really was not the intent of
the setback requirements. They're not meant to handle
landscape or streetscape amenity features. But we just simply
wanted to make sure we were on the right page -- appreciate,
however, that the angle of sight cannot be encroached upon by
any amenity feature. That sight angle is currently addressed in
the zoning ordinance under general provisions, which would
supersede the PUD to that extent.
So those are the things we want to do here. Not have
amenity or streetscape features subject to the setback
requirement. Nevertheless, they would not be able to locate
nearer than 20 feet, because after all that's the minimum
landscape buffer requirements. Amend the setback for a site
specific property, from 40 to 25 feet, and trade off a hotel for a
bunch of the other floor area space.
Our staff recommends you approve the amended PUD.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Ron, what's the height limitation for
this corner; i.e., the hotel?
MR. NINO: The hotel, the height limitation is 60 feet. And
the current height limitation in the PUD for an office building is
60 feet. So there's really no difference.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: I thought it was 50?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Is that essentially four
stories, as I recall or is that --
MR. NINO: Oh, I suspect you can get five stories with 60
feet.
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COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, when this was first
brought to the public, they wanted to put six stories, and as I
recall when the PUD was approved, that it was significantly
reduced to satisfy the concerns of the local citizenry. And I think
it was brought down to three or four stories on each end. I just
want to make sure that we're not giving something new here
that's not contemplated in the existing PUD. MR. NINO: I don't recall that.
MR. KEESEY: The current PUD allows a 60 foot office
building --
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Could you give your name and we'll just
turn it over to you as the petitioner to answer the question.
MR. KEESEY: Thank you. My name is Larry Keesey. I'm
with Young, van Assenderp, Varnadoe and Anderson. And I'm
representing the petitioners, Granada Shoppes Associates,
Limited, on this PUD amendment. As you know this was
approved in 1998 for 300,000 square feet of commercial and
90,000 square feet of office development on this site located at
the corner of Immokalee and US 41. US 41 running north, south.
The -- since that time there's been the opportunity to develop a
hotel, and the hotel would not exceed the permitted 60 foot
office building height that is allowed in this -- in this parcel right
here. What's before you is the PUD as approved. You have the
new proposed master plan in your package, but I don't think you
have the approved master plan, that's why -- what's before you.
And the effect of this PUD amendment would be to take this
southwestern development parcel here, which now calls for RO
and office, office right here, make that one hotel parcel, and
locate the hotel on this parcel on the southwestern portion right
here.
With that approval of a maximum of 175 rooms for the hotel
use, there would be a dropping of the amount of approved
commercial and office space. The office would go from 90,000
that's approved today, down to only 10,000 square feet of office.
The feet, commercial retail, approved for 300,000, would drop to
280. So that's if the hotel is allowed, those uses would drop.
Obviously, if the hotel is not approved, that those uses would
remain as they are approved today.
Ron Nino mentioned the neighbors to the south, below here.
We have met with them. We have talked with them. And we
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think we have resolved it. I was assured by their attorney
yesterday, they would not be here today to take any position
whatsoever on this, because we have agreed to work with them.
And, specifically, we've agreed to increase the setback along
this southern property line. The Bay Colony golf course is on the
opposite side to the south down here. And the setback required
by the code or by the PUD actually today, would require a 50 foot
setback. We've agreed to increase that to 70 feet, minimum, and
that will be written into the PUD document. It's not before you
now, because we just agreed to it, but by the time the PUD is
approved -- considered by the Board, we just agreed to this
yesterday, but it will be a minimum of a 70 foot setback here,
and, of course, there will be parking on this side. And we've
agreed that the parking lights or the lights for the parking lot,
which, of course, are required for safety reasons, will be shielded
so that the light does not shine across the boundary, and that the
poles will be a minimum of -- or maximum of 20 feet high.
So 20 foot poles for the lighting and the lighting will be
shielded. And for your information, there's already a very
extensive berm along the south on the Bay Colony property. It's
a berm that's about 18 feet high, plus it is very heavily vegetated.
We've agreed with them to work with them to add any -- or add
landscaping to that berm that's already there. That, of course,
will not be in the PUD. It's not on our property. But we've agreed
to work with them to add landscaping to that. But the PUD will
be -- incorporate the -- at least the 70 foot setback along this
property line for the hotel building itself, and the lighting features
that I mentioned.
So that's what we'll be doing for the hotel use. The
development standard use, specifically the setback for the
Macaroni problem, when this -- this was not part of our
presentation. We filed it in December. We just found out about
this problem with the location of the Macaroni building. And on
the old PUD plan it sits right in here. So there's approximately a
180 foot frontage there out of a total of 1700 feet along US 41 for
this project. And we're only asking for a change to the PUD
setback, which right now is at 40 feet, 40 foot required setback
for buildings, we're only changing that for this parcel right here,
180 feet, roughly.
And we're not pointing fingers. There was blame on all
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sides. We, obviously, submitted the plans that were approved for
the site development plan. We are responsible for that submittal,
and it showed it in the wrong place. It did go through the county,
and so there's something to be said for everyone on this, but we
are trying to make it better. And I think, actually, it's consistent
with the Dover Cole study of community character, that we're
trying to improve the community character in Naples. You will
recall that one of the main recommendations of that study and
plan is to eliminate the separation from the street of these large
parking lot areas to front load the buildings, put the buildings
close to the -- to the right-of-way and put the parking behind the
buildings. And this entire project incorporates that. The building
will be -- the facades of the buildings will not have parking in
front. They will be around to the back.
And that's actually what got us into trouble here, because
instead of the 40 feet, we built the building right next to that 40,
and it turned out it was less than 40.
But that's, again, only for this building, the 40 foot setback
will still be in place for the entire rest of this.
As Ron mentioned, there are two significant lake features,
or water features here on either side. So this is the only location
where that will occur. There will not be another building next to
this to compare it to. The lakes will be on the other side.
We are agreeing to increase the landscape buffer in this
area. There is a required 20 foot landscape buffer along the
entire right-of-way, or the parcel, from the property line, 20 feet
of landscape buffer and in this area, for the Macaroni Grill, we've
agreed to increase it by five feet, to a maximum of -- a minimum
of 25, and, in fact, we've come up with a plan which does exceed
code. This is the proposed landscape plan. And, again, this is
just for this area.
So what you're seeing here is just the Macaroni Grill parcel
and the landscaping of that.
So to orient you again -- actually, I guess this should -- you'd
go north, south, would be the same --
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: If you'd have your senior partner
come up, he can straighten that out.
MR. KEESEY: Yeah, he's pretty good at holding those things
-- getting them worked out and pointed the right way.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: I often wondered what his duties
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were.
MR. KEESEY: This is north. So this is the highway and this
is the front of the Macaroni -- again, the building plan itself was
35 feet, 7 inches, instead of 40. So this line here is the one
that's a little bit over, and then you have a little patio and an
entranceway, which is why we need the entire 25. But this will
be very nicely landscaped. We think it will be a real
improvement. It'll be consistent with the Dover Cole
recommendations, and as non indicated, part of the problem for
this is it's a PUD, but a lot of the people who were approving it
were thinking zoning and zoning only requires 25 feet. So that's
why it was allowed to go that close in the first place.
But we do request the change just for that one area, the 180
feet for the Macaroni.
Are there any questions?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr, Chairman, question,
This proposed commercial use -- here, I'm up here.
I'm surprised that the entrance is off of Highway 41, that is
your patio and entranceway into the -- if you're really going to go
by the Dover Cole kind of concept, it would seem that the
entrance should be off of the parking lot, not off of the street
side.
MR. KEESEY: I think there's a lot of entryways shown on
that Dover Cole report that do have the entrances on the main
street, but it's not separated by the parking.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Where's your sidewalk on
this layout?
MR. KEESEY: The sidewalk, there's a very extensive
sidewalk along this north parameter and also the brown through
here, it's an internal to keep people -- we didn't think -- this is
going to be six laned, of course, with cars going by, so we
wanted to provide a better landscaped internal pedestrian way.
And that is already required in the PUD to meander through the --
through the project.
So there is no sidewalk here. There is sidewalk up here,
and, of course, this feature that Ron spoke of, the streetscape
feature will have benches, and there will be a -- I don't know
whether it's lattice work or trellis work, but some structure here.
But the pedestrian way would come through the project here
and will be landscaped.
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COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So if the pedestrian way is
on the inside, which I think is an appropriate way for this to
work, then I don't understand why the entrance is on the
Highway 41 side. That seems to me, you're creating a problem
for yourself.
MR. KEESEY: I think all of rest -- and there will be several
other restaurants along here. One is already in for permits, and I
believe another is about to -- have the entrance on that way.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: On which way?
MR. KEESEY: Facing the street, the entrance, with parking
in the rear.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So the way this is going to
function, people will park in the big parking lot, interior, and then
have to walk around the building to get into it?
MR. KEESEY: Here's some parking identified on this
landscape plan for -- for handicap. That, of course, would be the
closest. There'll be a sidewalk going through here around to the
entrance. You're correct.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: In your landscaping
features, will there be a berm there?
MR. KEESEY: No, not a berm. That berm that I mentioned
was on the south side separating this from the Bay Colony golf
club.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So you'll still be at ground
level, and the building very close to Highway 41, in my view it's
entirely too close. And does not comport with your PUD and
what was promised to the citizenry in that area. That's just my
observation.
MR. KEESEY: Well, it was a mistake that it had to encroach
four and a half feet, and we did it -- it was approved. I can't tell
you that it was -- I don't think it benefits anyone, and I think the
extra buffering here, the extra five feet of buffering along the
length of the Macaroni parcel, plus the extensive additional
buffering; such as these coconut palms and a lot of these plants
are way beyond what would'ye been done had it been at 40 foot.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: But none of that
landscaping is elevated, it's all still ground level. If I understand
you correctly.
MR. KEESEY: I'm not aware of any berm in front of that
building. It will be --
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MR. GITTINGER: It's all inoculated, that whole frontage
there.
MR. KEESEY: It undulates. I can't tell you a specific height.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: I was just trying to find out
if -- how you're going to try to ameliorate the fact that you're
right on top of Highway 41 there, and I don't see it with just a
path you're creating --
MR. KEESEY: Just landscaping. Well, increased
landscaping is what we're trying to do. The patio here has
columns, which will, of course, that's one of the reasons for the
patio. The white area outside the wall of the building.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: You know, I can see the
picture in season, that place is going to be crowded with people
sitting out on the patio, you know, right in the exhaust fumes of
six lanes of Highway 41, and I just don't -- it seems to me the
building should be where it should have been based on the way it
was designed, and the way it was approved in the PUD. I don't --
I don't hear any response that materially changes my view that
this is a building that's in the wrong spot.
MR. KEESEY: Well, it was four and a half feet, this building
wall right here is four and a half feet closer than it's supposed to
be.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: I have a question. If for some
reason this development standard amendment, i.e., a variance
was not approved for this, what would it cost to tear the building
down and start over?
MR. KEESEY: I don't the -- I don't have the dollar figure. I
would, you know, guesstimate --would estimate on a guess, you
know, a couple hundred thousand. The utilities are in, the pad's
in, the frame's up. It's not roofed in, but the utilities are in. The
frame is there. The pad is all there. I don't have an actual dollar
figure. I don't know that -- this gentleman may have a better
estimate of how much is in the ground.
MR. NINO: May I add, which I think is somewhat ironic, the
west side of 41, Tamiami Trail, is in conventional zoning, C-3,
minimum setbacks, 25 feet.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: I have a question. Larry, you
may have answered this while I was rooting through these
papers, but when we talk about maximum heights, it calls for
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office buildings to be four stories, not to exceed 60 feet. The
very next line, hotel, not to exceed 60 feet. MR. KEESEY: Right.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: There's nothing about stories
there. How many stories is your hotel going to be?
MR. KEESEY: I think the plan that's current -- when we first
got into this change, it hadn't yet been finalized. And that's why
it was sort of in the alternative of a hotel, if we do do the hotel,
reduction in commercial and office, but there was still an
either-or. We are certain now the hotel will go in -- and I believe
the hotel will be six stories. But it has to remain within that 60
foot height limit.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: What difference does it make if
it's eight stories, if it's only 60 feet, I mean a 60 foot building is a
60 foot building. I mean, what we were looking at going down
the road is the height if, you know, if it's only going to have 175
rooms, you're measured out there to, I mean --
MR. KEESEY: You want to know how many stories there
would be -- I'm pretty sure it's six stories now.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Your room number -- number
of rooms stays the same? It's accurately stated?
MR. KEESEY: No more than 175 rooms for the site.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY.' Well, that would impact
traffic, but it doesn't make any difference, again, how many
floors it's spread over.
MR. KEESEY: That's the maximum number of rooms, 175,
and the maximum height can be 60, whatever -- whatever works
for that combination is what will go in there.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: You know, if I could observe
the -- the difference I see between four and six stories, as you
correctly point out, the profile is the same. But it does have
something to do with keeping faith with the community and the
representations that they have made to the surrounding
neighborhood that this would be limited to four stories. So --
MR. KEESEY: What the PUD calls for is four stories of office,
you're right. There was no commitment as to the hotel.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So we've got a new ball
game, but I'm just saying we're going to have six stories here
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Well, we're having 60 feet either
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way though, Commissioner Richardson. I mean 60 feet is 60
feet. And that was -- 60 feet was represented to the community
to start with, and that's not changing. I mean --
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, okay.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Not to rub salt in their wounds, but just
recently we recommended a denial of a variance up to 80 feet for
a building in a similar intersection of which the -- our iljustrious
leaders decided to overrule us and allow. I'm having no problem
with the 60 feet, and how many rooms -- if he wants to squeeze
in five foot rooms and make 10 floors that, you know, he can still
have only 175 rooms.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Okay.
COMMISSIONER PEDONE: You have to remember that on a
hotel you don't have a drop ceiling.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of the petitioner?
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: I just want to make sure that this
Macaroni Grill, the mistake that has been made, that is the only
structure that's going to be involved in this development
standard change, the setback change?
MR. KEESEY: Believe me, it will be the only one. I can
guarantee that. We are not going to go through this again. It's
very embarrassing for everyone concerned.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Okay. Because I'm not really
convinced that it's going to blend in like it should, but I think I
understand that it was a mistake, and that you can somewhat
hide it, the visual view from the impact of the driver going up and
down the road.
MR. KEESEY: That is the intent of this landscape plan,
which is very extensive.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Have you had any discussions
with anyone in Naples Park?
MR. KEESEY: I'm not aware of any -- any -- I know I haven't
received any comment from anyone in Naples Park. I'm not
aware, and I think I would'ye heard from my client if there was
expressed concerns about the Macaroni building. I have not
heard any.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, for the record, I'm
from Naples Park, and that's among the reasons I'm particularly
interested in what you're planning to do here. The other out
parcels, if I can call them that, that's to the south of that, can
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you predict how many buildings that they're planning to put in
there?
MR. KEESEY: Yes. There is a very upscale, I believe,
Chinese restaurant will go in this area. That will be one
restaurant. There will be another restaurant in this location here
and, again, I'm referring to the old plan. The configuration in
your plan that is the new PUD proposed master plan is the one
you should be looking at. But, generally, they correspond.
Again, this is going to be one parcel instead of the two shown on
the old. This will be the hotel site, restaurant, restaurant,
Macaroni.
That's it.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: And they will be set back
appropriately.
MR. KEESEY: Absolutely, 40 feet as per the PUD now.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Let me ask you a question
about the water retention areas. They're shown very irregularly,
the shapes there, which are pretty. But I see them in the ground,
they look like just square, rectangular --
MR. KEESEY: Again, this is the old PUD. The new plan there
is probably a little more current in terms of the shape, but they're
certainly not round.
MR. NINO: However, your copy, you won't notice that
they're squared, because --
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Right. They'll grow up --
MR. NINO.' -- our requirements were for aqua vegetation that
would ameliorate that rectangular view.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: They look like just all
concrete and square sides now and it's not very attractive.
That's why you always see something like this and it looks great,
but you see it in the ground and it's --
MR. KEESEY: There's still a requirement for the 20 -- 20 foot
landscape buffer -- 20 feet of landscape buffer along that
perimeter. Again, we're increasing that to 25 for the Macaroni
area but it still remains 25 -- 20 feet landscape buffer within the
first part of that 40 foot setback.
Now, the lakes, of course, aren't subject to the 40 foot
setback, but the buildings are subject to the 40 foot setback.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Would the applicant
consider then making that 25 foot landscaping all the way along
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there just to make it uniform?
MR. KEESEY: I don't know that we can do that with the
restaurants and their current state of -- of 25 feet of landscape
buffer, within the 40, is that what you're saying?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, you know, it's your
plan.
MR. NINO.' Excuse me, Ron Nino, I heard you, you know,
earlier, Larry, you said that there would be no front loaded
parking in any event --
MR. KEESEY: Right.
MR. NINO: -- so if that's the case, it is going to be
landscaped.
MR. KEESEY: That may be feasible. I don't know.
MR. VARNADOE.' For the record, George Varnadoe. Mr.
Richardson --
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Yes.
MR. VARNADOE: -- two things, the -- you're right, there's
concrete bulkheads around those water features, but within
those they are sculpted in a non-rectangular pattern. I think
what Mr. Nino is telling you is that there'll be plantings around
the edge of those, so that if you -- in a couple of years when
they're grown up, you will look in there and see the irregular, but
for water management purposes when we have a rainy season,
we do have concrete bulkheads that will take the excess. And,
yes, the 25 feet is -- as Mr. Nino says will be some type of
landscaping, whether it's grass or vegetation, because all those
buildings are -- parking is behind, which is, obviously, what our
community character study is going to tell us to do with the
buildings closer to the road and then the parking behind.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, I'm just dickering here
about the five, is you're going to do something -- you represented
you're going to do something special to help ameliorate this
Macaroni Grill problem, and add an additional five feet, and I just
wondered if that something special then is going to apply to all
of it, or is it just more grass, which is not bad, but I just want to
hear your position.
MR. VARNADOE: Yes, sir, again -- I think -- try to say this
right, what we don't want is what we see in some of the older
centers where every 20 feet we have a tree or a bush where you
get this engineered, as I'll call them, engineered landscaping. So
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there are clumps and -- but, yes, we can go to 25 feet for a
landscaped buffer along the front of the project.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Then I'm hearing then that's
your intent; is that correct?
MR. VARNADOE: Along 41, yes.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of the petitioner?
If not, anyone from the public wish to address this issue?
MR. NINO: I don't have anybody signed up.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Seeing no one standing up, then I will
close the public hearing.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY.' Mr. Chairman, I move that we
forward PUD-98-14 (1) to the Board of County Commissioners for
the recommendation of approval with the stipulation of a 70 foot
landscape buffer on the south side of the property, with 20 foot
tall poles or the agreement that you had with the neighbor.
MR. KEESEY: I just want to make one comment, it was --
the agreement with the neighbors was for a 70 foot setback --
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Setback.
MR. KEESEY: -- from the building, that not all that would be
landscaping, some will be parking, and I think I was up front
about that.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: The 70 foot --
MR. KEESEY: Building setback.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: -- building setback, and the 20
foot tall light poles shielded.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Seconded.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Moved by Commissioner Priddy,
seconded by Commissioner Rautio. Any further discussion?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Question on the motion. Mr.
Priddy, would you include the latest view, that the applicant has
said that he would increase the buffering to 25 feet along
Highway 417
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Yes. We can include that.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: I'll agree to that.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further discussion?
If not, all in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Aye with a comment.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Pardon?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Aye with a comment.
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CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: My comment is I'm very
reluctant to bless mistakes, and in effect this is a variance that I
really have some concerns about. I feel the applicant has made
a good faith effort in trying to improve the situation that he found
himself in. But hopefully he'll be more diligent about the rest of
the site. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. With that -- Item F has been
postponed. We go to Item G. PUD 99- --
MR. NINO.' Postponed until March the 14th.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Fifteenth. It says 15th here.
MR. NINO: Yeah, okay.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. We're going to PUD 99-21,
Castlewood.
All those wishing to give testimony in this please rise, raise
your right hand, and be sworn in by the court reporter.
(The speakers were sworn in.)
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Ray.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, I have a
disclosure.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Okay.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Lloyd Sheehan has called
me relative to this project, just to let me know it was coming.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Okay. Did Mr. Priddy leave or was it
something I said? But, anyway, with that we'll go to Ray.
MR. BELLOWS: For the record, Ray Bellows of Current
Planning staff. Presenting petition PUD 99-21. The applicant is
requesting to rezone 21 acres from agricultural golf course to a
planned unit development to be known as Castlewood at Imperial
PUD. You can see on the location map, the subject site is
located off of the north side of Imperial Golf Course Boulevard,
just north of an existing golf course, adjacent to ours is three
residential units to the east, ag'd. zoning to the north, and the
undeveloped Imperial Lakes PUD to the west.
The master plan, as you can see on the master plan there's
several preserve areas located at the entrance off of Imperial
Golf Course, providing a buffer area at the entrance. There's also
a drainage easement along the eastern side buffering the project
from the existing RSF-3 dwellings to the east. A water retention
lake along the western property line.
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The PUD provides the adequate open space requirements
consistent with the land development code, and the total is 15.4
acres. Access is provided from private Imperial Golf Course
Boulevard, which access agreement has been provided.
The subject site was approved by the environmental staff. It
was not required to go to the EAS because of-- due to small size
site, and has no wetlands on site. The project is consistent with
the growth management plan for density. The density is 1.39
units per acre, which is consistent with the three that the project
is allowed in this area.
From a compatibility standpoint, the subject site is limited
to single-family dwellings at a maximum of 35 feet, which is
consistent with single-family development to the east.
Staff has not received any correspondence objecting to this
petition. It's consistent with all elements of the growth
management plan and staff is recommending approval of this
petition.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Questions of staff?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: A couple of questions, if I
may. I notice on the site map that there are properties to the
north of the one that's being asked to be this PUD. How are
those properties going to be impacted by this? I notice in your
comments, you say that they're not impacted, but how is access
to those -- they're not developed -- how is access to those
properties going to take place?
MR. BELLOWS: Access to the vacant agricultural
properties?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Yes.
MR. BELLOWS: They can get access from other sources.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: You're not sure how,
though.
MR. BELLOWS: Are you referring to these?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Yes.
MR. BELLOWS: Further north there's a road system, and I'm
sorry I don't have a map that shows it, but there's a road up there
that they could get access down there. The problem we have is
we're limited in capacity to Imperial Golf Course Boulevard. This
petition was reduced in the number of dwelling units. It
originally asked for to gain access to Imperial Golf Course they
had to reduce the number of dwelling units. This is a very highly
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congested road as it is, and to an interconnection to the north,
allowing even more units to come here was not acceptable to
the homeowners' association.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: I agree. That's a private
road and that's two lane and it can't stand much more traffic, but
I'm just concerned that our actions here don't foreclose access
to those other properties.
MR. BELLOWS: No more than it already is.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: In other words, you're
saying we have properties that can't be accessed in Collier
County; is that --
MR. BELLOWS: This project was landlocked so to speak
until they reached an agreement with the homeowners'
association to gain access. But they would not allow an
interconnect with allowing more units in.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Okay. And you're
-- this is where the east-west road system is to go in?
be the access?
MR. BELLOWS: Further north, you mean?
- there is a
Would that
MR. NINO: No, the east-west, I think you're talking about
the east-west leg of Livingston.
MR. BELLOWS: Yeah, further north.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Is that how we might
expect those properties to be served?
MR. BELLOWS: Yes, that's correct.
MR. NINO: You raise a very good point. It would be nice if --
as a former resident of that area, you must be very familiar with
it, but it would be nice if we were in a -- and Don's not here, if we
were in a retrofit mode, and we could make the entranceway
pray tell, they wouldn't want to hear me say that, to Imperial Golf
Estates, a public road, then we could do that interconnectivity,
which I think is very desirable. I think it's very desirable to have
this property interconnect with properties to the north.
However, we have to appreciate this is a gated community.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, if I could just follow
that point then, and particularly your comments, Ron, back
earlier this was a four-phase project, and then they put in a fifth
phase, if you may recall. At the time phase five of Imperial Golf
Estates went in, there was a commitment made to connect that
to provide this connection out to Livingston Road when it came
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through. Now, Livingston Road is coming through, the roadway
is still stubbed out to go that direction. What can you tell me, or
is it appropriate to ask?
MR. NINO: It's appropriate to ask; as a matter of fact, we
have to go back to the board, you will remember that phase four
was limited to 50 percent of the units, then there'd be a
moratorium, and we took that issue to the board, and the board
eliminated that requirement, recognizing that the lots had all
been sold and it would be an unfair burden on the person who
bought a lot in phase five, to say, no, no, you can't build a house
on it until, somehow or other, a road magically appears from the
back end of Imperial Golf Estates to the extension of Livingston
-- Livingston Road. However, you can rest assured that staff in
approving every project, including the Mediterra, makes
provision for getting another road to the back end of Imperial
Golf Estates. It's going to take time, unless the Imperial Golf
Estates people feel so threatened that they ask the county to
use some special authority and they're prepared to finance a
road out to Livingston -- Livingston Road. However, in the normal
course of development, staff will make sure that a road is made
-- is developed that gets access to the back end of Imperial.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: So that is still an active
condition of that phase five.
MR. NINO: Yes, yes, yes.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: One last question, just to
educate me, this base density and traffic congestion boundary,
the minus, I've not run into that before. Could you help me
understand what --
MR. BELLOWS: Yes. On the future land use map, the
boundary running along Airport-Pulling Road is a traffic ingest
boundary. The development to the west of that would be subject
to losing one dwelling unit per acre.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: I see. While it's four for
everywhere else.
MR. BELLOWS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions of staff?
If not, you want to hear from the petitioner?.
MR. HOOVER: Good morning, commissioners, Bill Hoover,
Hoover Planning, representing the petitioner. I think everything
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is self-explanatory. And what was pointed out by staff is correct.
We do not have the authority to grant a cross access easement
to the property to the north, to grant access onto the main
private road into the community.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: No questions of petitioner?
Anyone from the public wish to address this issue?
MR. KING: My name is Jerry King. I am the president of
Imperial Golf Estates Homeowners' Association. As you may be
aware, we, in 1999 when this PUD was originally submitted, we
filed an objection to it, and then we entered into about 18
months of negotiations with the parties, Mr. Sheehan and the
others. We have reached an agreement with them, which Mr.
Bellows made mention of, that has caused us to feel that this is
a development that will be attractive to the community, provided
that terms of the agreement are met. And we hope to work with
the development community and with the County staff to assure
that those terms of the agreement are met.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay. Thank you. Anyone else?.
If not, I'll close the public hearing.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, I would offer
a motion to approve the petition PUD-99-21 and forward it to the
Collier County Planning -- to the Board, for their consideration.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Moved by Commissioner Richardson,
seconded by Commissioner Abernathy, any further discussion?
If not, all in favor, signify by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
PUD-2000-19, Sandpiper Village.
All those who wish to give testimony on this, please rise,
raise your right hand and be sworn in by the court reporter.
(The speakers were sworn in.)
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Okay, Ron.
MR. NINO: Yes, Ron Nino, for the record, Planning Services.
First of all, let me apologize, I can't for the life of me figure out
how that site map got in the report. Sandpiper Village PUD, all of
this land is currently zoned C-4. Recently the Bayshore triangle
overlay subdistrict was approved by the County Board of
Commissioners and is now pending approval of the DCA. That
overlay district calls for exactly the kind of thing that this
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petition represents; i.e., a mixed -- mixture of commercial and
residential uses in a traditional village like setting. However,
that will not be -- cannot be instituted until the DCA approval is
finalized. So you're -- Mr. --
MR. VARNADOE: It's final.
It was advertised on February 2nd, and there was a 21 day
appeal period and an appeal hadn't been received by the county,
it's now a law.
MR. NINO.' Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Could I ask you to tell her who you are,
sir, please, for the record?
MR. VARNADOE: For the record, George Varnadoe.
MR. NINO: Thank you. We weren't concerned that that
wasn't going to happen, but if it didn't -- if it hadn't happened,
why that would -- just going forward with the development would
have been subject to that condition.
I think you-all have the details of the proposal. It's 45,000
square feet of retail space, retail, office space and 180 units of
housing, of which 154 or 156 are in the county portion of the
development. The development standards we think are
consistent with the provisions of the Bayshore Triangle Overlay
district. Mr. Weeks of the long range planning division has -- has
reviewed the document and there are -- a number negotiations
took place in the path, and there are a couple of outstanding
issues that I gave to Mr. Varnadoe, and he's going to address
them in his presentation to you.
Staff encourages you to recommend approval of this PUD.
We think it is consistent with the Bayshore Triangle Overlay
District with perhaps some very minor tweaking. This is exactly
the project the community was looking for. And we heartily
recommend that you approve it.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, just a quick --
I notice on the -- just tell me how this works. Part of this is in the
city and part of it's in the county, a small part of it's in the city?
MR. NINO: Yes.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: How does that planning go --
MR. NINO: The city will have to deal with zoning of that
property, if it's not currently zoned, the city will have to deal with
that issue. You're only dealing with the portion within the
county, 156 dwelling units and the 45,000 square feet of retail
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space.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: As a matter of course, is
there communication between your two staffs.
MR. NINO: Yes, there is. The city is very much supportive
of the project.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Ron, not being a professional planner,
the maximum height of the buildings, where it says commercial
is limited to three stories, but yet commercial, residential is four
stories. What, is that just something they wanted to do here or --
MR. NINO: That is to provide for the mixed use building in
which commercial is in the lower spaces and residential was
above it. In that context they're allowed to go somewhat higher,
a story higher.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Okay. Any questions of staff?
If not, we'll hear from the petitioner.
MR. VARNADOE.' Again, for the record, George Varnadoe.
We're here today on behalf of Antaramian Capital Partners, LLC,
the owner and developer of the property in question. Also today
we have with us George Garcia, the architect of the project, and
Charles Thomas, Director of Planning and Development for the
director.
As the, excuse me -- as Mr. Nino mentioned, the project is a
redevelopment of a dated strip center that's been there since I
moved to town in 1975. The Chlumsky property, or the Naples
Shopping Plaza, the Furniture Man was on the corner, and then
you had a strip running north, south along Sandpiper. Sandpiper,
obviously, is -- I think everybody here is familiar with, this is US
41. Sandpiper is the road that goes into the Royal Harbor, Oyster
Bay area. The property is 15 acres in size. Thirteen acres are in
the county. Two acres are in the city. And, Mr. Richardson, the
dividing line is roughly along this street, something like that.
The two acres that are in the city are zoned R3-12, which allows
residential up to 12 units an acre. What we are doing in the city
is consistent with their zoning at this time. And as Mr. Nino
mentioned, this project is consistent with the recently adopted
and finalized growth management plan overlay for the Gateway
Triangle Redevelopment District, and the intent of that district
was to provide incentives for money to come in and redevelop in
that area, and it's certainly worked in this instance. The intent
was also to foster this mixed use concept, which is becoming
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the byword around the nation, traditional neighborhood
development, urban development, where you have your mix of
residential and commercial uses, alternate in the same building
or, if not, in close proximity where you have an old-time village
with the street -- with the buildings close to the street, parking
behind the buildings are in separate structures, with green
spaces devoted in larger areas as opposed to green spaces being
everybody's little backyard.
We're trying to develop more of a neighborhood feel. And
this project does that, and if you'll allow me a couple of minutes,
I'll kind of walk you through this very briefly.
Starting on the west side, as I said, we have residential only
along Sandpiper, two stories of residential with separate garages
here, two stories of residential over parking here. In working
with the Royal Harbor people and the Oyster Bay people, we
have maintained what we call a linear park along here with a
minimal of 40 feet on our property, plus we're going to be able to
landscape about 20 feet in the right-of-way, which is not
currently used. And provide a walkway at their request for entry
into their project. Our rec. facilities at the corner. That'll give us
the opportunity to buffer the residential from 41, and have a very
interesting architectural feature at the corner. The feature of
the project is obviously what we call the town square in this area
here. We have three access points, one on Sandpiper that aligns
with Osprey Drive to the west, a right in, right out on 41 that will
serve the commercial, and then a third access on Frederick
Street, which will probably serve mostly the residential. The
town square, as I said, will have an architectural feature in the --
in the circle. You'll come in, you'll have parking on the street
here, parking's allowed on all of the streets. We're encouraging
it in some places, others, as you'll see, really is no parking. This
building in this location presently will probably be one or two
stories commercial only, and then transitioning on the east side
to a mixed use with commercial uses on the first and maybe
office on the second and then residential above it. And, Mr.
Wrage, what they've done to encourage the mixed use is allow
you to have an extra floor, if you have mixed use in the same
building. These buildings here will be our mixed use buildings,
with residential above commercial. We'll have a pedestrian
walkway with an arcade on the first floor through the buildings,
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March 1, 2001
to encourage that mixed use. Our green spaces, as I said, are
basically in one location here, and, of course, the walkway over
here. These buildings will be residential only, max. of three
stories over one level of parking, but limited to 42 feet in height,
pursuant to the Triangle Overlay District. We think this project
has a -- going to be kind of like a miniature Fifth Avenue, is what
we envision, with a nice pedestrian streetscape in the middle.
The ability for residential use -- people who live here to walk
anywhere, provide services on a minimum level to the
surrounding neighborhood. Now, if you live in Royal Harbor, and
you want anything, you're out on US 41 to go get it. Here we're
trying to provide opportunities for a limited commercial, I mean,
we're not going to have the Walgreens or the Eckerds or Winn
Dixie there, but we will probably have a little neighborhood
market, coffee shop, maybe a small restaurant in our mixed use
buildings.
We've also integrated into this with the same kind of
architecture a parking structure to provide parking for the
residential and the commercial uses.
And I'm not going to go on, unless someone has questions.
We're really excited about it. I think it's really going to be a real
jump start for that area, and hopefully bring this Gateway
Triangle District back to life.
I'll be glad to answer any questions.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: The type of commercial that you
intend in there is to support the village concept, and the
surrounding neighborhood? How do we know that that's really a
viable concept?
MR. VARNADOE: Because it's working on Fifth Avenue, I
guess is my basic plain answer to you, and we just are -- we just
zoned another project like this on Marco Island, we wouldn't be
putting the money into it if it didn't show that this would be
supportable, Ms. Rautio.
We've also gone to the extent of actually sending
questionnaires to everyone that lives behind this in Royal Harbor
and Oyster Bay asking them what they'd like to see there.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: That's excellent.
MR. VARNADOE: They'd like to see a convenience store.
They'd like to see a dry cleaning dropoff, hair salon, coffee shop,
ice cream parlor, you know, just what would you like to see. And
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I guess I would be remiss if I didn't say that we have met on
several occasions with the Oyster Bay and Royal Harbor board of
directors and I'm authorized to say they're both in support -- in
support of the project. I can show you a little bit of the
architecture. If you were standing in this location looking at this
building, this is kind of what we envision the architecture to be.
This pedestrian pass-through, if you can see, it would be in this
location. So you actually have a building above it, but you have
an arcade through to the parking areas, and for the pedestrian
traffic. And you see you don't end up with a one level building.
You end up with a staggered roof line and a lot of texture in and
out, which provides a very, very appealing landscape.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Remind me, again, about how
many residential units are there.
yOU,
MR. VARNADOE: One hundred eighty.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: One hundred eighty, okay. Thank
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Any further questions?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Can you tell me, I've
forgotten, the ST Overlay on this -- just to the east across
Frederick Street, is that part of the district, as well? I know it's
not your project, but --
MR. VARNADOE: That would be within the district and that
property is zoned C-4 also. This district runs along 41 and then
down Bayshore.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: No further questions. Anyone else from
the public wish to address this issue? Seeing none, I'll close the
public hearing.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: Mr. Chairman, I move that we
forward PUD-2000-19 to the Board of County Commissioners with
a recommendation of approval.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG: Second.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE.' Second by-- motion made by
Commissioner Priddy, seconded by Commissioner Young. Any
further discussion?
All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
Old business, I have the Rautio letter. I'm sure you-all got a
copy of a letter from John Dunnuck, any comments?
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March 1, 2001
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: I think we owe Ms. Rautio a
great vote of gratitude for the work she's done and the result
that she's achieved.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Well, thank you. I hope that we
can continually receive at least one set of minutes each meeting.
And we appreciate that immensely.
MR. NINO: Well, I can tell you we just -- we just made it for
this meeting. We just made it by a day. As a matter of fact we
had to delay our -- we had to delay our mailing, because they
weren't available yet, so. And I'm telling you, the fault's not ours.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: Might I suggest that you talk to
the technology people.
MR. NINO: We're talking to them.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: I think it's the county's side and
not the Clerk of Court's side that seems to have the internal
difficulties. So thank you very much for being on top of that.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: More so than the minutes, I have often
thought a recap, although Ron does his best, sometimes his
memory is as bad as mine as to what actually happened.
MR. NINO: It's getting worse all of the time.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: I would appreciate that myself.
COMMISSIONER RAUTIO: I think that became a side benefit
of having a long discussion with Mr. Dunnuck and explaining to
him some of the things from my viewpoint and what I was
sharing with him from other commissioners, and he decided that
that would be a good approach, and I appreciate it.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: Does the county annotate
the agendas of past meetings to show --
MR. NINO: The County Board of Commissioners' meetings
are annotated.
COMMISSIONER ABERNATHY: So we can look at the
minutes --
MR. NINO: I think our intent is to send you those.
You're on old business.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: Still on old business.
MR. NINO:
CHAIRMAN
mean?
MR. NINO:
be prepared for that?
The next meeting will also be a workshop.
WRAGE: At the tail end of the meeting, you
Tail end of the meeting. Marjorie, your office will
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MS. STUDENT: Well, I think, Ron, it's a joint effort on
development things between us and I'll answer any questions
about the development order approval, but Ramiro Manalich will
be here to discuss things like Sunshine ethics and things of that
nature, so.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: We might want to take another
hand count, Mr. Richardson, you're going to be here?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Yes.
PRIDDY: You're not.
PEDONE: No, I'll be in the hospital again.
PRIDDY: Sammy, you're going to be here on
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
the 15th?
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
SAADEH: I will be.
RAUTIO: I plan to be.
YOUNG: I will.
COMMISSIONER PRIDDY: You-all have fun.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: No new business?
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Yes, one item, if I may. Ms.
Student, I've been reading quite a bit in the newspaper lately
about the Supreme Court taking on some land planning issues
that are near and dear to my heart. I'm sure to everyone in the
community --
MS. STUDENT: Yes. You're probably talking about the
takings issues that are going to be hopefully, we say hopefully,
because we don't know, usually they try to avoid this stuff. But
harmonizing some disparate things, I believe it's in federal law,
dealing with dredge and fill issues.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, I'm particularly
concerned as it reflects in our ordinances, our rules and my -- as
the boundaries of what I'm permitted to work on, that Mr. Priddy
keeps reminding me that we have to stay inside certain boxes.
I'm finding out what those boundaries are, and some of those
boundaries include giving density credits for submerged lands,
which I think is utterly ridiculous. So I'm very interested in how
the history of this came about, and where the issues in Florida
relate to that and how we might hopefully resolve this in the
future.
MS. STUDENT: Well, the history of it --
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: You don't have to answer
now, but that's my --
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March 1, 2001
MS. STUDENT: -- private property rights are something you
can't really get your hands around, and if you want a
presentation on the history, I would say with the workload in our
office, give us about -- I'm serious about this, with the number of
lawsuits and meetings, we'd need a lead time of several months
to prepare something like that. And it started where -- as far as
the Supreme Court goes, it's very fact specific and case by case,
and they're very hard to apply these types of rules, just as the
Burt Harris law is, and with any predictability to get a given fact
situation, and about all I can say is if you have total zero use of
your property, then there's -- you know, then a taking, the original
case said when a regulation goes too far, whatever that means,
so, I'm not quite sure what you're looking for.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, from a local
standpoint, we go in two cycles, right? We have a growth
management plan, land development code that gets reviewed
every, what, every six months? MS. STUDENT: Uh-huh.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: And I'm just -- on one of
these cycles I'd like to somehow get on top of what the issue is
and see if there's something we can't do to get these things to
match up better.
MS. STUDENT: Well, I think that they're very, you know, you
can apply the case law, but they're very dependent on the facts,
and to try to do that and apply it to property here can be difficult,
but I think what you may be talking about is a land code
amendment that you may also wish to discuss with staff in terms
of, you know, this issue about achieving density for submerged
land, and that may be something that the Planning Commission
may wish to direct that that be looked at.
Usually on these matters, we will -- I think the Board of
County Commissioners is also interested in that. What we would
ask for is like direction of the board in this area. There may be
some property rights lost there, but it may not rise to the level of
a taking, but once again, we are going to have the issue with
Burt Harris. The Supreme Court issues, again, deal with, you
know, dredging and filling. And it's federal law, so, and
particular aspects of that will, you know, be -- be involved.
So, but what I'm just trying to explain to you, it's like vested
rights. There's no bright line. It's dependent on the facts, each
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property is unique and you'll miss, you know, if you want to
evaluate property in the County that might be subject to this, and
see what would apply and what wouldn't, you almost have to
have a process to do that, because it's very difficult. Vested
rights and takings and private property rights are the areas of
the law that are very difficult to get your hands around and any
land use or real estate attorney will tell you that.
COMMISSIONER RICHARDSON: Well, we're fortunate to
have you on the team.
CHAIRMAN WRAGE: I'm sensing no public comment. I
believe we are adjourned. Thank you.
There being no further business for the good of the County,
the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 10:27 a.m.
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
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COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DIVISION
April 5,2001
PLANNING SERVICES DEPARTMENT
2800 NORTH HORSESHOE DRIVE
NAPLES, FL 34104
Mr. Miles L. Scofield
Scofield Marine Consulting
3584-B Exchange Avenue
Naples, FL 34104
REFERENCE: BD-2000-35, David Redshaw
Dear Mr. Scofield
On Thursday, March 1, 2000, the Collier County Planning Commission heard and approved
Petition No. BD-2000-35.
A copy of CCPC Resolution No. 2001-05 is enclosed approving this use.
If you have any questions, please contact me at 403-2400.
S ncej
Ross Gochenaur
Planner II
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Enclosure
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David Redshaw
215 Topanga Drive
Bonita Springs, FL 34143.
Addressing (Peggy Jarrell)
Land Dept. Property Appraiser
M. Ocheltree, Graphics
Minutes & Records (BD, PSP & PDI)
File
PHONE (941) 403-2400 FAX (941) 643-6968 www. co.collier, fl.us
CCPC RESOLUTION NO. 2001- 05
RELATING TO PETITION NUMBER BD-2000-35 FOR
AN EXTENSION OF A BOAT DOCK ON PROPERTY
HEREINAFTER DES~ZRIBED IN COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 125, Florida Statutes, has
conferred on all counties in Florida the power to establish, coordinate and enforce zoning and such
business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code (Ordinance
91-102) which establishes regulations for the zoning of particular geographic divisions of the County,
among which is the granting of variances; and
WHEREAS, the Collier County Planning Commission, being the duly elected and constituted
Planning Commission for the area hereby affected, has held a public hearing after notice as in said
regulations made and provided, and has considered the advisability of a 16-foot extension of a boat dock
from the permitted 20 feet to allow for a 36-foot boat dock facility in a PUD zone for the property
hereinafter described, and has found as a matter of fact that satisfactory provision and arrangement have
been made concerning all applicable matters required by said regulations and in accordance with Section
2.6.21. of the Collier County Land Development Code; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given the opportunity to be heard by this
Commission in public meeting assembled, and the Commission having considered all matters presented;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY the Collier County Planning Commission of
Collier County, Florida, that:
The petition filed by Miles L. Scofield of Scofield Marine Consulting, representing David
Redshaw, with respect to the property hereinafter described as:
Lot 84, Southport on the Bay Unit 1, as described in Plat Book 14, Pages 114-117, of the
Public Records of Collier County, Florida.
be and the same is hereby approved for a 16-foot extension of a boat dock from the permitted 20 feet to
allow for a 36-foot boat docking facility in the PUD zoning district wherein said property is located,
subject to the following conditions:
All docks, or mooring pilings, whichever protrude the greater into the water, regardless of
length shall have reflectors and house numbers four (4) inches minimum size installed at
the outermost end on both sides.
In order to address the protection of manatees, at least one (1) "Manatee Area" sign shall
be posted during construction.
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Permits or letters of exemption from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection shall be presented prior to issuance of a building
permit.
All exotic vegetation as defined in Section 3.9.6.4.1 of the Land Development Code shall
be removed from the site and the property shall be maintained exotic-free in perpetuity.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Resolution relating to Petition Number BD-2000-35 be
recorded in the minutes of this Commission and filed with the County Clerk's Office.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Donethis 1st dayof March ,2001.
ATTEST:
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
COLLIER COUNT~Oa___RIDA
JOHN M. DUNNUCK, III
Executive Secretary
Community Development and Environmental
Services Interim Administrator
Approved as to Form and Legal Sufficiency:
Marj °ri~Vl. S~udent
Assistant County Attorney
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COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DIVISION
April 5, 2001
PLANNING SERVICES DEPARTMENT
2800 NORTH HORSESHOE DRIVE
NAPLES, FL 34104
Mr. Dominic Novello, Jr.
Novello Building Company
6893 Mill Run Circle
Naples, FL 34109
REFERENCE: BD-2000-38, Monty Wuttke
Dear Mr. Novello:
On Thursday, March 1, 2001, the Collier County Planning Commission heard and approved
Petition No. BD-2000-38.
A copy of CCPC Resolution No. 2001-06 is enclosed approving this use.
If you have any questions, please contact me at 403-2400.
Ross Gochenaur
Planner II
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Enclosure
Monty Wuttke, Jr.
220 Heron Avenue
Naples, FL 34108
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CCPC RESOLUTION NO. 01- 06
RELATING TO PETITION NUMBER BD-2000-38 FOR
A BOATHOUSE ON PROPERTY HEREINAFTER
DESCRIBED IN COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 125, Florida Statutes, has
conferred on all counties in Florida the power to establish, coordinate and enforce zoning and such
business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code (Ordinance
91-102) which establishes regulations for the zoning of particular geographic divisions of the County,
among which is the granting of variances; and
WHEREAS, the Collier County Planning Commission, being the duly elected and constituted
Planning Commission for the area hereby affected, has held a public hearing after notice as in said
regulations made and provided, and has considered the advisability of a 20-foot by 32-foot boathouse
over an existing dock protruding 20 feet into the Waterway in an RSF-3 zone for the property hereinafter
described, and has found as a matter of fact that satisfactory provision and arrangement have been made
concerning all applicable matters required by said regulations and in accordance with Section 2.6.21. of
the Collier County Land Development Code; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given the opportunity to be heard by this
Commission in public meeting assembled, and the Commission having considered all matters presented;
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY the Collier County Planning Commission of
Collier County, Florida, that:
The petition filed by Dominic Novello, Jr., representing Monty Wuttke, with respect to the
property hereinafter described as:
Lot 5, Block "P", Conners Vanderbilt Beach Estates, Unit 2, as described in Plat Book 3,
Page 17, of the Public Records of Collier County, Florida.
be and the same is hereby approved for a 20-foot by 32-foot boathouse in the RSF-3 zoning district
wherein said property is located, subject to the following conditions:
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All docks, or mooring pilings, whichever protrudes the greater into the water, regardless
of length shall have reflectors and house numbers four (4) inches minimum size installed
at the outermost end on both sides.
In order to address the protection of manatees, at least one (1) "Manatee Area" sign shall
be posted during construction.
Permits or letters of exemption from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection shall be presented prior to issuance of a building
permit.
All exotic vegetation as defined in Section 3.9.6.4.1 of the Land Development Code shall
be removed from the site and the property shall be maintained exotic-free in perpetuity.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Resolution relating to Petition Number BD-2000-38 be
recorded in the minutes of this Commission and filed with the County Clerk's Office.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Done this 1 st day of March ,2001.
ATTEST:
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
GAR~ WRA'dt~, CH~ANi
JOHN M. DUNNUCK, III
Executive Secretary
Community Development and Environmental
Services Interim Administrator
Approved as to Form and Legal Sufficiency:
Marj-o~-M. Student r
Assistant County Attorney
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