Floodplain Management Committee Minutes 01/04/2010 RRECEIVE
APR 13 2010
Board of County Commissioners
Co ,e-r County
Community Development &
Environmental Services Division
Engineering & Environmental Services
Fiala 2U I —
Halas
Henning
Coyle
Coletta c
Floodplain Management Planning Committee
Ray Smith, Chairman John Torre, Vice - Chairman
Phillip Brougham Pierre Bruno Stan Chrzanowski Jerry Kurtz
Bob Devlin (Marco I.) Joseph Gagner Travis Gossard Mac Hatcher
Christa Camera (Naples) Brooke Hollander Herb Luntz
Lew Schmidt Dan Summers Clarence Tears
Jim Turner Carolina Valera Duke Vasey Christine Sutherland
Terry_ Smallwood (Everglades City)
Meeting Minutes for 1 -4 -10 Regular Meeting
Start: 9:00 a.m. End: 11:14 a.m. Location: 2800 N. Horseshoe Drive, Room 610
Meeting Attendance: Ray Smith, Carolina Valera, Rick Zyvoloski (substitute for Dan
Summers), Jerry Kurtz, Jim Turner, Mac Hatcher, Stan Chrzanowski, Travis Gossard, Brooke
Hollander, Christine Sutherland, Ananta Nath (substitute for Clarence Tears), Duke Vasey, Herb
Luntz, Phillip Brougham, Pierre Bruno, Christa Carrera, and Robert Wiley.
Absent: John Torre (Excused),), Joseph Gagner (Excused), Lew Schmidt (Excused), Bob
Devlin, and Terry Smallwood.
There were two members of the public and one additional staff person in attendance.
Meeting called to order by Ray Smith, Chairman.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. Approval of minutes for the 9 -28 -09 Special Meeting — Motion to approve by Duke Vasey;
motion passed unanimously.
Approval of minutes for the 10 -5 -09 Regular Meeting — Motion to approve by Duke Vasey;
motion passed unanimously.
2. FMPC membership vacancy /replacement — Robert Wiley informed the Committee that we
continue to have the one staff position vacancy from the Planning and Zoning, and we now
have one citizen volunteer position vacancy with the declared open position previously held
by Mr. Kokkinos. That citizen position is currently being advertised for filling. A discussion
followed regarding the large number of excused absences by Herb Luntz. Duke Vasey
recommended that Mr. Luntz resign if he is not able to attend the meetings, and Pierre Bruno
concurred. Travis Gossard inquired about an attendance policy established for the
Committee to which Robert Wiley said no attendance policy has been developed and put into
the Committee's by -laws. Phil Brougham motioned for the development of an
policy by staff for the Committee's review. He asked there be some consideral nor
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attendance requirements for staff members who may be working under different situations
than the citizen volunteer members. Christine Sutherland mentioned that other committees
generally have a 3- unexcused absence policy for removal. Ray Smith said he would develop
a draft policy for the Committee to review at the next meeting. Mr. Herb Luntz arrived for
the meeting at 9:16 a.m. A discussion followed to consider including a limitation on excused
absences. Phil Brougham and Duke Vasey suggested that staff attendance be an item for
consideration in the policy. Duke suggested the policy include the identification of
alternates. Phil Brougham restated that his motion was for staff to prepare an attendance
policy for discussion at the next meeting without presupposing on its contents, but that the
suggestions discussed may be worth consideration. The motion passed unanimously.
3. Assigned Planner for the revisions to the Floodplain Management Plan — Robert Wiley
explained the progress made in hiring Mike DeRuntz to work as a temporary Job Bank
employee for a fixed term of time. The paperwork to do this has been signed by Joe Schmitt
and is in to the Human Resources Department for further approval and signatures. Mike
would be dedicated to work on the Floodplain Management Plan revisions, assuming 5
weeks full time and 6 weeks part time.
NEW BUSINESS
1. Flood Damage Prevention Ordinance restart status — Robert Wiley discussed the direction to
work with the County Attorney Office (CAO) in drafting an ordinance using the State of
Florida's latest model ordinance for coastal communities. The CAO is taking the current
County ordinance, editing it using underline and strikeout technique to produce a document
matching the State's model ordinance, and then Robert has to make provide the information
to make it specific to Collier County. All higher regulatory criteria will be removed,
including the 1 -foot of freeboard that the State has included as a desired option. Duke Vasey
discussed the need for a cost benefit analysis for the various types of higher regulatory
criteria that could be considered before inclusion of them within the ordinance. Duke also
discussed having an ordinance that satisfies the FEMA requirements but also addresses the
costs to comply with the requirements. He suggested taking out the higher regulatory issues
from the model ordinance, and getting information from the building industry on what their
costs would be if the higher regulatory criteria were added back into the ordinance in the
future. Ray Smith recommended staying with the basic model ordinance without higher
regulatory criteria due to the time constraints. Phil Brougham concurred with use of the
model ordinance. Pierre Bruno discussed the costs of higher regulatory issues ultimately
being passed to the purchaser, and that can have impacts on their ability to purchase. Ray
directed to move forward with the base model ordinance.
2. Review of CRS Coordinator's Manual — Robert Wiley reported that with the limited budget
this year, the Committee's previous direction, to get detailed CRS activities statements
distributed to the various departments and directors for their evaluation of what they could do
to improve the CRS scoring, will not be moving forward for now. Duke Vasey thought that
if there is no interest in looking at the CRS activities for areas of improvement, each director
or division chief should be required to sign a statement that there are no CRS activities that
they need to be concerned about. Ray Smith and Phil Brougham stated their desire to have
someone look at all the CRS activities to see what the County is already doing for which we
can receive credit points. Discussions then followed on addressing the need for sufficient
staffing and support with the County Manager. Duke Vasey then motioned for the
Committee's founding resolution to be amended to state the Committee be chaired by one of
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the citizen volunteer members. Phil Brougham seconded the motion with the amendment of
the motion to include an attendance policy. Pierre Bruno discussed his opposition to the
motion and expounded on the importance of developing a coenefit analysis for a total
programmatic cost/benefit as well as an individual cost/benefit Herb Luntz then expressed
an apology for missing so many meetings for health reasons, suggested the chairman and
some members of the Committee meet with the County Manager to get him to better
understand the role of the Committee and the Floodplain Management program, and stated
his intention to vote against the motion. Stan recommended that a citizen member meet with
the County Manager. Duke Vasey indicated his opinion that staff members have a conflict of
interest in presenting the Committee's position to the County Manager. Phil Brougham
clarified the motion under consideration was to amend the founding resolution to bring in an
attendance policy and remove or modify the requirement for the chairman and vice- chairman
to be staff members. The motion passed 9 -7. There was then a discussion on the motion by
Stan Chrzanowski, seconded by Christine Sutherland for selecting the Committee members
that will approach the County Manager. Phil Brougham preferred to not send Committee
members to address the County Manager until he could respond to the previous vote on
changes to the founding Resolution. The discussion led to selection of Duke Vasey, Brooke
Hollander, Phil Brougham, Pierre Bruno, Stan Chrzanowski, Ray Smith and Robert Wiley to
meet with the County Manager. Pierre Bruno expressed an interest in having a minority
position be presented to the County Manager during that meeting since the vote was so close.
Christine Sutherland said that was not proper to also present a minority position, or else, the
pace of completing Committee business would become even slower.
3. Action Plan Action Item Sub - committee Progress Reports:
• Action Item 6(e) — Ray Smith reported on the Action Item 6(e) sub - committee's three
meetings and the findings that some of the action item requirements are already complete.
A project management plan has been developed and additional meetings will be held to
bring this to completion. The next sub - committee meeting is Friday, 1 -8 -10 at 3:00 p.m.
in CDES Conference Room 607.
• Action Item 6(b)(ii) — Mac Hatcher provided some information on updates made to the
Floodplain web page. Mike DeRuntz had scheduled all the 2009 public meetings shortly
after the action item was developed.
• Action Item 5(f)(iii) — Stan Chrzanowski said the draft policy was developed a while ago
to address placement of cross drains under roads in G.G. Estates and the potential for new
flooding. To prevent this potential flooding, the policy proposes the installation of
multiple smaller culverts that are plugged and gradually opened as downstream capacity
is determined sufficient. Stan will write up the formal draft policy for the Committee to
review and then take it to the Development Services Advisory Committee (DSAC),
Collier County Planning Commission (CCPC), and Board of County Commissioners
(BCC) through use of a resolution. Carolina advised that use of the Growth Management
Evaluation and Appraisal Report (EAR) process would be a slow process. Travis
Gossard recommended getting multiple divisional review and comment with the draft
policy resolution. Duke Vasey discussed using the Land Development Code amendment
process.
• Action Item 5(d)(i) — Jerry Kurtz introduced Brandy Otero of the Stormwater
Management Department. She discussed the ongoing grant applications since January
2009 for various stormwater projects. The grant review and approval process is very
lengthy, and there some are still in consideration while some have been declined. She
reviews the grant web sites daily for opportunities to apply. Travis Gossard asked about
purchasing the repetitive loss homes and elevating, relocating or demolishing them.
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Robert Wiley informed the Committee that FEMA grants require a willing owner to
participate in the purchase, and so far the County has not received an indication of
interest from the repetitive loss owners. For other forms of mitigation, FEMA grants
require owner financial participation of 25% or more, and that has also been a stopping
issue. The County could fully fund the purchase without use of FEMA grant funding if
so desired and if local funding was available, but that is also a problem.
• Action Item 6(a) — Jim Turner reported on the initial effort to use GIS to locate the
mobile home parks. Problems have surfaced on the accuracy using the addresses since
not all mobile home parks have individual lot addresses. Duke Vasey suggested the use
of the SheriWs addressing capabilities.
• Ray Smith directed that these five action items be addressed by the Committee again in
three months.
4. Public Comments — Tim Nance discussed the Flood Damage Prevention Ordinance and flood
insurance impacts within the G.G. Estates. He asked for the Flood Damage Prevention
Ordinance be the least restrictive as possible unless there is a significant reason for additional
restrictions. Consider the cost impacts. He asked for consideration be given to standards for
rural areas separate from urban coastal areas, specifically non - residential accessory
structures. Hermany Ortega stated that the Committee was a hostile board.
Pierre Bruno then asked that his name be removed from those meeting with the County
Manager since he would be supporting the minority position on the earlier motion.
Next Meeting: Monday, February 1, 2010 starting at 9:00 a.m. in Room 610 of the CDES
building located at 2800 North Horseshoe Drive, Naples, FL 34104.
Motion to adjo erre Bruno passed unanimously at 11:14 am.
Smith, tjudiman
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Robert Wiley, Storcoordinator
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