PBSD MSTBU Minutes 05/02/2012 PELICAN BAY SERVICES DIVISION BOARD REGULAR SESSION MEETING MINUTES
WEDNESDAY,MAY 2,2012
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Pelican Bay Services Division Board met in Regular Session on
Wednesday,May 2,2012 at 1:00 PM at the Community Center at Pelican Bay, 8960 Hammock Oak Drive,
Naples,Florida.The following members were present:
Pelican Bay Services Division Board rECIERVE!
Keith J.Dallas,Chairman Susan O'Brien
Tom Cravens,Vice Chairman Dave Trecker
John P.Chandler Mary Anne Womble
Geoffrey S.Gibson John Baron
John Iaizzo Hunter H.Hansen absent BY:
Michael Levy
Pelican Bay Services Division Staff
W.Neil Dorrill,Administrator Mary McCaughtry,Operations Analyst
Kyle Lukasz,Operations Manager Lisa Resnick,Recording Secretary
Also Present
Susan Boland,President,Pelican Bay Property Owners Association
Jim Carr,P.E.,Agnoli,Barber,&Brundage,Inc.
Kevin Carter,Field Manager,Dorrill Management Group
Ellin Goetz,Fellow,American Society of Landscape Architects,Goetz+Stropes Landscape Architects,Inc.
Tim Hall,Senior Ecologist&Principal,Turrell,Hall&Associates,Inc.
Ralph B.Jimison,Certified Arborist /
Bill Oliver,P.E.,P.T.O.E.,Senior Vice President,Tindale-Oliver&Associates,Inc. 1a ✓
Approximately 50 attendees Hiller
REVISED AGENDA Henning £;
1. Pledge of Allegiance Coyle
2. Roll Call Colette
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3. Agenda Approval
4. Approval of Meeting Minutes
a. April 11,2012 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session
b. April 16,2012 Budget Subcommittee
5. Budget Subcommittee recommendation that full Board review;
and vote to approve the Proposed Fiscal Year 2013 Budget(Levy)
6. Administrator's Report
a. Crosswalks Misc. Cores:
i. Uniform Traffic Standards
ii. Bateman Contract Update Date: 91 i t I 12
b. Pathways
i. Arborist's second opinion report and recommendation Item#: I(-97--'2. I�/
ii. County's plans to"overlay"Pelican Bay Boulevard pathways
7. Adjourn
Copies to:
ROLL CALL
With the exception of Mr.Hansen,all members were present.
AGENDA APPROVAL
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion,second by Dr. Trecker to approve the agenda as amended:
1)Move item"...vote to approve Proposed FY 2013 Budget(Levy)"to follow approval of meeting
minutes;2)add North Pointe crossing(Chandler)to crosswalks discussion;and 3)add New Business
"Potential Community Survey(Chandler)". The Board voted unanimously in favor and the motion was
passed.
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APPROVAL OF APRIL 11,2012 REGULAR SESSION MINUTES
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion,second by Mr.Levy to approve the April 11 Regular Session
minutes as amended:1)Page 8546:identify San Marino and North Tram station crossings;and 2)
Page 8549: "...berm... erosion observed along east and west sides..." The Board voted unanimously
in avor and the motion was ,assed.
APPROVAL OF APRIL 16,2012 BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Chandler to approve the April 16 Budget
Subcommittee meeting minutes as presented. The Board voted unanimously in favor and the motion
was passed.
REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2013 BUDGET(LEVY)
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Chandler to approve the Budget
Subcommittee's recommendation to approve the Proposed Fiscal Year 2013 Budget as presented by
Budget Subcommittee Chairman Levy. The Board voted unanimously in favor and the motion was
Passed
ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
CROSSWALKS
BATEMAN CONTRACT UPDATE
Mr. Dorrill reported the County Attorney initially opined that the Bateman contract would need Board of
County Commissioners authorization before moving forward with the two additional crosswalk projects planned for
this summer on Pelican Bay Boulevard at the intersections of North Pointe Drive and Myra Janco Daniels Boulevard.
Upon realization that the original Bateman contract approved by the Board of County Commissioners in 2011 included
these additional locations,the County Attorney determined that no further authorization was necessary
UNIFORM TRAFFIC STANDARDS
Mr. Dorrill introduced two engineers invited to speak about uniform traffic standards and address residents'
concerns about safety and noise that resonated from vehicles driving over cobblestones at the San Marino and North
Tram station mid-block crossings.
Mr. James Carr, P.E. explained the crosswalks constructed along Pelican Bay Boulevard were designed by
Wilson Miller. All mid-block crossings have three feet wide cobblestone bands on each side that was intended to
create a "rumble" sound and have a tactile feel effect. After the initial installation, following complaints that the
cobblestones were uneven and created a tripping hazard,the edges were adjusted to form a more level surface and it
had the added effect of reducing noise.
Traffic engineering expert, Mr. Bill Oliver, P.E. explained at pedestrian crossings, key issues for safety are
speed and advance warning and methods currently in use to alert drivers did not appear to be working.If the intention
of the cobblestones was to cause vehicles to slow down, it was clear the cobblestones were installed too close to the
crossing. If the sound and tactile feel of driving over cobblestones was intended to change drivers' behavior, by the
time the rumble is heard,it is too late to stop.The mid-block crossings include standard signs and pavement markings
required by the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices(MUTCD). The question was whether the methods being
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used to get drivers' attention were producing the intended effect. The answer was no. The solution would be one that
reaches out and grabs drivers' attention. Mr. Oliver recommended progressing to a higher level of driver awareness
that could be achieved by installing a pedestrian-activated flashing beacon light timed to continue flashing until the
pedestrian crossed the intersection.
Mr. Oliver explained the County uses MUTCD standards to determine signage, signals, and pavement
markings; and agreed that installing additional signage that is considered "supplemental"to MUTCD standards could
cause confusion.Regarding the flashing yellow lights in the roadway on Ridgewood that outline a crossing to the Phil,
Mr.Oliver reasoned the design was likely"emerging technology"that was later determined to be ineffectual.
Mr. Brendan Culligan (Pebble Creek) presented a video he made showing problems faced by pedestrians
attempting to cross at the North Tram station mid-block crossing and at other locations within Pelican Bay.
BOARD DISCUSSION
Mr. Iaizzo suggested removing the cobblestones at the San Marino crossing. Mr. Chandler made a motion,
second by Ms. O'Brien to recommend to the Foundation Board to remove cobblestones at the San Marino crossing.
Mr. Gibson said he supported removing the cobblestones, but the motion should include replacing cobblestones with
fire-red clay brick pavers. Ms. Womble stressed the importance of uniformity and consistency as a theme established
by the Community Improvement Plan.
AUDIENCE COMMENTS
Mr. Steve Seidel (San Marino), Ms. Kathy Mahoney (San Marino), Dr. Ted Raia (St. Raphael), Mr. Dave
Cook(Crescent),Mr. Brendan Culligan(Pebble Creek)and another Pebble Creek resident supported increased traffic
enforcement to control speeders,and supported removing cobblestones at the San Marino crossing or at all mid-block
crossings; and agreed that resolving safety issues should not require consulting with the Foundation first and also be
completed promptly.
Ms. Marcia Cravens (Dorchester) suggested installing speed bumps, but Mr. Dorrill explained that speed
bumps were not appropriate for Pelican Bay Boulevard,an arterial roadway.
Mr. Jerry Moffatt(L'Ambiance) said the Foundation paid for the construction, but the road is owned by the
County, and Mr. Dorrill added the Services Division permitted the project and is therefore responsible for
maintenance.
Mr. John Domenie (Breakwater) did not agree with Mr. Gibson's idea to replace cobblestones with fire-red
clay brick pavers; and Ms. Mary McLean Johnson(St. Marissa)suggested amending the motion to include replacing
cobblestones with appropriate alternatives that increase visibility and consistency.
Mr. Chandler made a motion, second by Ms. O'Brien to make a recommendation to the Foundation
Board that they remove the cobblestones at the San Marino crossing. The Board voted 9 in favor
(Chandler, laizzo, O'Brien, Levy, Womble, Cravens, Trecker, Baron, and Gibson) and 1 opposed
Dallas and the motion was assed.
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Dr. Trecker to make a recommendation to the
Foundation Board that they remove the cobblestones from all mid-block crosswalk locations. The
Board voted 9 in favor (Chandler, laizzo, O'Brien, Levy, Womble, Cravens, Trecker, Baron, and
Gibson and 10 osed Dallas and the motion was assed
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Ms. O'Brien made a motion, second by Mr. Chandler to not install cobblestones at the North Pointe
Drive crossing that is planned to be done this summer. The Board voted 9 in favor(Chandler,Iaizzo,
O'Brien,Levy, Womble, Cravens, Trecker,Baron, and Gibson)and 1 opposed(Dallas)and the motion
was passed
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Iaizzo to install pedestrian-activated flashing lights
that is identical to the crossing on Myra Janco Daniels Boulevard, at the North Tram station and San Marino mid-
block crossings. The total estimated cost to install a pedestrian-activated light at one location including solar power
and bollards with sensors is$26,000. Mr.Chandler suggested obtaining pedestrian count data. Dr. Trecker suggested
installing the pedestrian-activated light at the North Tram station crossing first to test efficacy.
Mr. Tim Corcoran (Pebble Creek) agreed the North Tram station crossing would be the best location to test
how effective a pedestrian-activated light is. Mr. Steve Seidel (San Marino), Mr. Brendan Culligan (Pebble Creek),
and Ms.Mary Jane Culligan(Pebble Creek)supported installation at both the North Tram and San Marino locations.
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Iaizzo to install pedestrian-activated flashing
lights at both the North Tram station and San Marino mid-block crossings similar to the crossing on
Myra Janco Daniels Boulevard. The Board voted 5 in favor (Dallas, Gibson, Cravens, Baron, and
Womble) and 5 opposed(Trecker,Levy, O'Brien, Chandler, and laizzo) and resulted in a tie, and the
motion was not 1 assed.
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Dr. Trecker to install a pedestrian-activated
ashing light at the North Tram station mid-block crossing similar to the crossing on Myra Janco
Daniels Boulevard The Board voted unanimousl in avor and the motion was s assed.
Mr.Can and Mr.Oliver said the bollards with the sensors would be installed as specified by the MUTCD.
A short recess was taken then the Board reconvened.
NORTH POINTE DRIVE CROSSING(CHANDLER)
Mr.Chandler suggested reconfiguring the North Pointe Drive crossing to improve pedestrian safety.
Mr. Can explained there most likely is a reason the existing crosswalk is located to the west of North Pointe
and recommended prior to making any changes to the design that a traffic-count study is performed and subsequent
changes would require a new permit.
Mr. Chandler made a motion, second by Vice Chairman Cravens that when installing the new brick
crosswalk at North Pointe Drive across Pelican Bay Boulevard that the crossing be located to align
with the eastern sidewalk of North Pointe Drive. The Board voted 3 in favor(Cravens, Trecker, and
Chandler)and 6 opposed(Gibson,Dallas, Womble,Levy,O'Brien,and laizzo)and the motion failed.
PATHWAYS
Mr. Dorrill said at the April 11 meeting,the Board affirmed constructing 8-feet wide pathways and directed
staff to obtain a second opinion from an independent certified arborist to determine the impact to existing trees.
Certified arborist, Mr. Ralph B. Jimison visited the site to evaluate the route of the proposed pathways project. Mr.
Jimison concluded it was necessary to remove approximately 5 trees and outlined his recommendations to accomplish
root pruning without causing damage. However Mr. Jimison's findings appeared to contradict with Signature Tree
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Care's arborist reports that were provided by Mr.Galli(St.Maarten)that alleged the pathways widening project would
cause damage to more than 30 trees. Mr. Dorrill reminded the Board that staff was previously authorized to move
forward with the 8-foot pathways widening project through the bid phase and would continue unless directed
differently.
COUNTY'S PLANS TO"OVERLAY"PELICAN BAY BOULEVARD PATHWAYS
Mr.Dorrill reported the County is planning to overlay pathways along the east and west sides of Pelican Bay
Boulevard by the end of July. However it is unclear whether the County plans to install root barriers or just apply a
layer of asphalt to the existing path.He suggested the Board proceed with the 8-feet wide pathways project and cost
share with the County what the value per linear foot is. Then, as long as the County's plans include addressing the
roots problem with root barriers the Board could inform the County to move forward; or if the plans do not include
root barriers,the Board could request the project suspended until further plans are developed that do address the root
problem.
BOARD DISCUSSION
Mr.Iaizzo suggested obtaining a third arborist report. However the majority of the Board did not agree. Dr.
Trecker was concerned about root pruning and root barrier measurements referenced by the arborists' reports and
engineer's plans. The majority of the Board agreed due-diligence was done, but the majority of the audience did not
agree that the pathways project was properly vetted.The Board did agree the pathways were in need of repair.
AUDIENCE COMMENTS
Mr. Rick Galli (St. Maarten) did not agree that Mr. Jimison's recommendations to accomplish root pruning
would not damage trees; and requested the arborist's qualifications and full report. Ms.Marcia Cravens (Dorchester)
supported Mr. Galli. Ms. Elaine Daravingas (Montenero) cited Mr. Doug Caldwell of the Institute for Agricultural
Sciences (IFAS) University of Florida(UFL) who she said recommended installation of gravel root barriers and she
would provide the documentation. Ms.Diane Lustig(Hyde Park)said reducing the tree canopy would diminish shade
and tranquility, and suggested additional vetting before moving the project forward. Dr. Ted Raia (St. Raphael)
supported having a third arborist report done.
CERTIFIED ARBORIST,MR.RALPH B.JIMISON'S COMMENTS
Regarding the impact to trees of the pathways widening project, Mr. Ralph B. Jimison, a local, certified
practicing arborist for more than 30 years was asked for his professional opinion as to whether root pruning could be
done without damaging live Oak trees. After surveying the trees along the project's site route, he concluded root
pruning could be done without damaging the trees under certain conditions. Regarding Signature Tree Care's arborist
report provided by Mr. Galli, Mr. Jimison said both reports come to similar conclusions: root pruning can be done
effectively without damaging a tree when done concurrently with tree canopy reduction. Reducing one-third of the
tree canopy's biomass compensates for root loss. The visual impact is barely noticeable. Both the roots and tree
canopy would regenerate.
Vice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Dr. Trecker to proceed with the 8-feet pathways
widening project subject to the recommendations made by the certified arborist,Mr. Ralph B. Jimison.
The Board voted 3 in favor (Dallas, Womble, and Levy) and 6 opposed (Gibson, Trecker, Cravens,
O'Brien,Iaizzo,and Chandler and the motion ailed
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Dr. Trecker made a motion, second by Vice Chairman Cravens to limit the pathways width to 6 feet.
The Board voted 5 in favor(Trecker, Cravens, O'Brien, laizzo, and Chandler)and 4 opposed(Gibson,
Dallas, Womble,and Levy)and the motion was passed.
As the Board directed, Mr. Dorrill would follow up with the County regarding their plans to "overlay" the
pathways,discuss cost-sharing,and request the"overlay"project be suspended until the Services Division's engineer
has an opportunity to complete new design plans for 6-feet wide pathways along the west side of Pelican Bay
Boulevard from the Commons to the North Tram station.
ADJOURN
IVice Chairman Cravens made a motion, second by Dr. Trecker to adjourn. The Board voted
unanimously in favor,the motion was passed,and the meeting adjourned at 5:01 p.m.
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