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PBSD MSTBU Minutes 03/02/2011 R RECEIVED MAY - 9 2011 Board of County Commissioners PELICAN BAY SERVICES DIVISION BOARD REGULAR SESSION MINUTES WEDNESDA Y, MARCH 2,201 I LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Pelican Bay Senices Division Board met in Regular Session on Wednesday, March 2,2011 at 1:00 p.m. at the Community Center at Pelican Bay, 8960 Hammock Oak Drive, Naples. The following members were present: Pelican Bay Services Division Board Keith J. Dallas. Chainnan Mary Anne Wamble. Vice Chairwoman John P. Chandler Tom Cravens Jahan Domenie Geoffrey S. Gibson John Iaizzo Michael Levy Theodore Raia, Jr. John Baron absent Hunter H. Hansen absent Fiala Hiller Henning Coyle Coletta t.-....'. v' ~- Pelican Bay Services Division Staff W. Neil Dorrill Kyle Lukasz Mary McCaughtry Lisa Resnick Also Present: Susan Boland, President, Pelican Bay Property Owners Association Marcia Cravens, Vice-President, Mangrove Action Group Tim Hall, Senior Biologist & Principal, Turrell, Hall & Associates James Hoppensteadt, President, Pelican Bay Foundation Gerald Moffatt, Pelican Bay Foundation Strategic Planning Committee & Pelican Bay Foundation Board Candidate Robert Naegele, Jr., Member, Pelican Bay Foundation Board Bob Uek, Member, Pelican Bay Foundation Board and Chairman, Strategic Planning Committee Kathy Worley, Co-Director Environmental Science & Biologist, Conservancy of Southwest Florida AGENDA I. Roll Call 2. Agenda Approval 3. Approval of Meeting Minutes a. February 2, 20 II Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session 4. Audience Participation 5. Administrator's Report a. Community Improvement Plan Update I. Sign Requirements for Crosswalks II. County Rating of Condition of Pelican Bay Boulevard (J. Chandler) Ill. Status of Engineering Diagrams and Bidding Process b. Monthly Financial Report c. Update on Health of Mangroves (T. Hall, T. Cravens) d. Status of Removing Exotics from Clam Pass Park (1'. Hall) e. Status of Removing Exotics along Beach (T. Hall) f. Proposed Project to Repair Erosion along South Berm g. Other 2012 Capital Projects (K. Lukasz) 6. Chairman's Report a. Update on PBSD Election Process b. Foundation Ad Hoc Clam Bay Committee Update i. Results of Meetings on Clam Bay Markers (.T. Domenie) ii. Update on Dredging and Settlement Agreement (J. Domenie) c. Dorrill Management Group Contract Renewal d. Announcements 7. Community Issues 8. Committee Reports and/or Requests a. Budget Committee b. Landscape Committee 9. Old Business 10. New Business a. Discussion of Need to Repave Oakmont Path (K. Lukasz) b. Signs at Clam Pass Park (T. Raia) II. Miscellaneous Correspondence MiSC. Corres DateLo l '2....",\ \ \ 8449 item#~ ~~~~'i' Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2, 2011 a. Executive Summary re: Brick Pavers at U.S. 41 & Pelican Bay Boulevard Crosswalk b. Ongoing Projects Status Sheet ] 2. Audience Comments ]3. Adjournment ROLL CALL With the exception of Mr. Baron and Mr. Hansen, all Board members were present. AGENDA APPROVAL Chairman Dallas amended the agenda to hear items 5ai and 5aiii first. Vice Chairwoman Womble added item 8c, Strategic Planning Committee under Committee Reports and/or Requests. Mr. Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Gibson to approve the agenda as amended. The Board voted unanimous/ in avor 0 the motion. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT COMMUNITV IMPROVEMENT PLAN UPDATE SIGN REOlJIREMENTS FOR CROSSW ALKS Mr. Dorrill distributed color crosswalk design plans to the Board. Mr. James Carr. engineer from Agnoli Barber, and Brundage presented general design plans and sign requirements for crosswalks along Pelican Bay Boulevard at Ridgcwood Drive, Myra Janco Daniels Boulevard, and Crayton Road. The crosswalk at Ridgewood requires six signs on each side of Pelican Bay Boulevard: two at the approach, two at the stop bar and two at the crosswalk. The three-way stop at Pelican Bay Boulevard and Myra Janco Daniels Boulevard requires one sign in each direction on the east side of the intersection at Pelican Bay Boulevard, indicating where the crosswalk is. From the west side, no additional signs are required because the stop sign covers that condition. The midblock crosswalk at Pelican Bay Boulevard and Crayton Road requires six signs on each side of Pelican Bay Boulevard: two at the approach, two at the stop bar, and two at the crosswalk. Minimum sign requirements in Collier County and City of Naples vary depending upon the design, but follow the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) and Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) standards. A stop bar is a standard requirement at a midblock crosswalk when it crosses a boulevard divided by a median with multiple lanes. A midblock crosswalk requires six signs in each direction. A full stop sign does not require signs at the approach. Regarding whether a four-way stop could be implemented on Pelican Bay Boulevard at Ridgewood Drive, Mr. Dorrill said first, staff would have a pre-application meeting with the County, then utilize Agnoli, Barber, and Brundage to perfonn a warrants analysis, a standardized, administrative process used to determine if an intersection is eligible for stop signs. The County's Transportation department would make the final decision. Mr. Carr said the crosswalks design review process should be complete in approximately five weeks. Dr, Raia made a motion, second by Mr. Cravens that staff explore installing a four-way stop sign at the inter.'1ection of Ridgewood Drive and Pelican Bay Boulevard, similar to the intersection of Oakmont Parkway on Pelican Bay Boulevard. The Board voted unanimouslv in favor of the motion. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FEBRUARY 2 PELICAN BAY SERVICES DIVISION BOARD REGULAR SESSION Mr. Levy amended page 8437 to read, "...midblock crosswalks are to tram stations and the berm...", page 8438 to read, "...at Vizcaya...", and ...conflicts between the Services Division's permit..." 8450 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2, 2011 IIIMr. Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Domenie to approve the February 2, 2011 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Sen'ion meeting minutes as amended. The Board l'oted unanimously in favor of the motion. AlJDIENCE PARTICIPATION None SIGNS AT NORTH TRAM STATION MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK Chairman Dallas said at the February 2 meeting. although there was no formal motion, someone suggested removing the signs in the middle of road at the North Tram station midblock crosswalk. Mr. Dorrill said following verification that the signs were not required, the signs were removed on his authority based on what he thought was the Board's consensus. The Board discussed the intent was that the signs were temporary until improvements made there and whether they should leave them out or reinstall. L,ater in the meeting, Vice Chairwoman Womble received an email from Mr. Bill McMillan, President of Carlton Place Association, which is situated on the east side of Pelican Bay Boulevard, expressing "sudden removal of the signs is a safety risk" and the Board should reconsider. Mr. Cravens made u motion, second by Mr. Gib.'wn to reimitall the signs in the roadway at the North Tram station crosswlllk until improvements mllde and new median cut through i~' in place. The Board voted unanimouslv in favor, pas~iinJ! the motion. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT COUNTY RATING OF CONDITION OF PELICAN BAY BOULEVARD Mr. Dorrill said at a recent meeting, Mr. Chandler requested further rationale or analysis behind the County's pavement rating system. He referred to the spreadsheet in the backup of asphalt ratings of roads in Pelican Bay. Roads are classified as residential, major or minor collectors, and arterials. Pelican Bay Boulevard is considered a major collector because it also serves as an arterial or highway because it "gets you from ^ to B." With a rating of 61 %, Pelican Bay Boulevard may be eligible for County-funded milling and resurfacing next year, although the estimated cost appears low and the cost to mill and resurface Pelican Bay Boulevard is probably closer to $1.5 million. As the Fiscal Year 20 12 budget process is beginning, he suggested they meet with Commissioner Hiller soon to lobby for this project. Mr. Chandler appointed to participate with Mr. Dorrill in lobbying Commissioner Hiller. MONTHLV FINANCIAL REPORT Mr. Dorrill reported that they have received 90% of assessment payments. 10% will be delinquent at the end of the month. They are over budget for heavy tree trimming and pruning having spent about $51 K while budgeting about $35K. Mr. Levy said right-of-way beautification payroll expenses are significantly under budget, and Mr. Lukasz explained it is due to two vacancies and payroll expenses are offset by contracting out some Sabal palm trimming services, equipment rental, and trash removal. Street sweeping appears "out of whack" because it did not include Christmas decorations, however they have since corrected it. Mr. Chandler made a motion, second hy Mr. Levy to accept the month(v financial report into the record. The Board voted unanimousl,' in avor 0 'the motion. 8451 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2, 2011 UPDATE ON HEALTH OF MANGROVES Regarding the health of the white mangrove "die-off," Mr. Dorrill reported that there does not appear to be an acceptable systemic pesticide that could be applied there, however they should continue to monitor them closely. Mr. Hall reported that they are still trying to identifY the boring beetles species, however the problem appears to be isolated, only affecting white mangroves that have been stressed and damaged by past weather events. They plan to monitor closely now that their contract is in place and maintenance activities authorized. STATUS OF REMOVING EXOTICS FROM CLAM PASS PARK Mr. Hall reported that he and Mr. Lukasz met with the County to discuss County versus Services Division exotic removal activities. He presented a map that illustrated areas of concern and who is responsible for removing exotics in those areas. The Services Division is responsible for removing Brazilian Pepper in the area marked yellow that is within the mangrove system and Clam Pass Park boardwalk to the beach facility. STATlIS OF REMOVING EXOTICS ALONG BEACH Mr. Hall reported that Coastal Zone Management (CZM) is getting cost estimates to kill exotics around the County's beach facility marked purple: Brazilian Pepper, Australian Pines, and Inkberry. The County applied for a State grant for funds to remove exotics along the beach up to the Ritz Carlton marked green: Australian Pines, Inkberry, and scattered Brazilian Pepper. The grant is currently in its second round of review and if CZM receives it, they plan to do the work. Ifnot, the Services Division will need to decide whdher they want to monitor and maintain this area. He estimates it would cost as low as $200/acre to kill exotics in place, and as high as $6,OOO/acre to remove. A rough estimate of total acreage is 12 acres and he recommended they budget $ L500/acre. For Brazilian Pepper within the mangrove system, he recommended "killing in place" because it can do more damage to remove it. Australian Pines can be girdled and chemicals applied. He prefers to pull out inkberry as he finds it. Dr. Raia said on the east side of the berm there are wetlands that the Pelican Bay Independent District had deeded access and asked who is responsible for exotic removal there. Mr. Dorrill said the Services Division is responsible for "the works" of the water management system to include the berm. He presumed that they have easements to do maintenance even if they do not have a deed to the underlying parcel. Within the easement, the Services Division is the entity to perform maintenance of any element of the water management system. Mr. Hall said in the past, if exotics were found outside of the easement, they have notified the property owner that there is an issue and asked them to take care of it. Dr. Raia asked if the easements granted to the Pelican Bay Independent District are the same as Pelican Bay Services Division easements. Mr. Dorrill said yes. Ms. Marcia Cravens asked if the area along the edge of the mangroves between the "back dune and the scrubs" is part of the Natural Resources Protection Act area (NRPA). The new channel maintenance permit covers the NRPA area and the Board should consider controlling exotics there. Mr. Hall said the new permit is within the NRPA. but does 110t cover any upland areas; maintenance is for the wetland areas only. They do monitor the surrounding area to control exotics within the mangroves. The state grant that CZM applied for would address the upland areas. 8452 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2,2011 Mr. Dorrill said if CZM does not receive the state grant to address the Australian Pines along the beach they are planning not to do anything. If that happens, the Services Division might consider spending some of its Clam Bay funds to control exotics there. PROPOSED PROJECT TO REPAIR EROSION ALONG SOUTH BERM Mr. Dorrill said the Budget Committee asked staff to identify major capital improvements that are not part of the Community Improvement Plan (CIP). Capital projects arc considered to cost $50,000 or more or expected life of seven years or more. Staff estimated the Services Division's project to repair erosion along the south berm is estimated to cost $25,000. The Foundation's south berm project to replace the asphalt pathway is estimated to cost an additional $150,000. He asked for Board direction on how to proceed because the Foundation owns the land on which the berm sits and asphalt top, but is also an asset of the Services Division as one of "the works" of the water management system. Mr. Hoppensteadt said the Foundation would like to replace the cart path on top of the benn, but in order to do this, the Services Division as "keeper of the water management system" of the berm, the Services Division needs to reestablish the slope and integrity of that structure first. The project would require shutting down sections of the berm and done over the summer. The work done would restore what is there that has eroded. Gaining a two-foot shoulder on each side is incidental to fixing the problem. Mr. Dorrill said no one is questioning the need for maintenance, but to what extent does maintenance stop and enhancement begin requiring a modification of the existing water management permit. He would need to verify and compare the original construction permit with the recommended options. In his opinion, improvements are part of a private platted parcel that at one time cleared to include mangroves, but they do not need a permit to trim mangroves in an existing right-of~way or airspace above that right-of-way line. He aims to have the project done during the rainy season and complete by September. Vice Chairwoman Womble asked if staff could look into getting a Federal grant for berm work. Mr. Dorrill said they could ask the engineer about grants for demonstration-type funding, but in his opinion, it is unlikely. He asked the Board for a recommendation and authorization tor a budget amendment for more funds. He would check with purchasing whether they could utilize the fill and grade subcontractor working on Oil Well Road. Mr. Chandler made a motion, second by Mr. Cravens that staff take necessary action to move forward with Wilson Miller's Option 1 to restore the south berm to the original permitted cross-section and authorized a budget amendment to transfer funds to complete the project. rhe Board voted unanimousl 'in avor, a.'l.'lin the motion. OTHER 2012 CAPITAL PROJECTS Chairman Dallas reviewed other 2012 capital projects including refurbishing street sign posts with automotive grade clear coat for $150,000 over three years at $50,000 per year, and lake bank enhancements for $85.000. CHAIRMAN'S REPORT UPDATE ON PBSD ELECTION PROCESS Chairman Dallas reported that two members were reappointed and there is one vacancy. The deadline to apply is March 8 and if they do not get any applicants, they would re-advertise the position for another 30 days. If time permits, the Foundation would send an email blast. FOUNDATION AD HOC CLAM BAY COMMITTEE UPDATE RESULTS OF MEETINGS ON CLAM BAY MARKERS Chairman Dallas reported that the next County Clam Bay Marker meeting is March] 5. He reviewed the summary of Mr. McAlpin's discussion with Mr. Ryan Moreau, Planner for Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission 8453 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meetiug Minutes March 2, 2011 (FFWCC). Mr. Moreau would evaluate the complete plan and consensus of the community when FFWCC receives the permit application. March I, Chairman Dallas met with Mr. McAlpin and Mr. Hall to discuss coordinating the proposed markers with the existing canoe trail markers and agreement on the location of installation. They discussed who should hold the permit(s) and possible agreement that allows for legal recourse if changes made to the permit, or signs not maintained. Mr. McAlpin prefers that the County hold the permit. Dr. Raia prefers that the Services Division hold the permit because they have demonstrated that they are good custodians. The County has demonstrated otherwise. He recommended they retain the current existing canoe trail permit. Any additional signage should not extend wider than the marker sign and should have round edges. The upper Clam Bay markers should start with # I. Mr. Hoppensteadt said the Foundation is holding a special meeting on March II to discuss the subject of the Ad Hoc Clam Bay Committee. Mr. Domenie said it is his understanding that they are discussing a matter that the Ad Hoc Clam Bay Committee has not considered and the original permit had "tilt motor" requirements on the signs. Shoals should not be marked with buoys. Chairman Dallas and Mr. Hall agreed they could likely get posts approved to use instead of buoys. Ms. Cravens said, "In the past, there has always been a courtesy given to people who raise their hands and may want to speak on an agenda item. This PBSD/MSTBU meeting has always been somewhat informal compared to other advisory boards. If this is going to be a situation where if the public of Pelican Bay or outside people who are attending want to speak on an agenda item and you are not going to recognize a hand being raised, I respectfully request that there be speaker slips available to the public who want to address agenda items that you may be taking action on because I don't feel that this follows the spirit of public meetings when you don't allow the public to make comments on agenda items that you are going to take action on." Ms. Cravens referred to the email she distributed to the Board regarding Mr. Moreau's recommendations and alleged that Mr. McAlpin is "misrepresenting" recommendations made by FFWCC. Mr. Bob Naegele said he prefers the Services Division hold the marker permit. He does not believe that the Foundation wants the responsibility or liability. Regarding the subject of adding a member to the Ad Hoc Clam Bay Committee, he intends to offer the motion on March 11. Chairman Dallas asked the Board whether they wanted to hold a special meeting to discuss the Services Division's position on markers before the March 15 County marker meeting. Dr. Raia said a workshop is a waste of time because they cannot vote on motions and now is a good time. The Ad Hoc Committee has not met and if they get someone appointed to this committee, it may not have an effect on the outcome. Referring to the summary discussion between Mr. Moreau and Mr. McAlpin, Mr. Domenie questioned whether the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) defines the waterway as navigable and Dr. Raia said the document is misstated. The Army Corp of Engineers (USACE) defines it as navigable. Dr. Raia said he would like to formulate what the Services Division position is for Clam Bay markers and they should discuss developments from the February] 7 County meeting including the position that signage is needed for safety. "Does removing the designation 'non-navigable' from the NOAA chart #11430 promote safety? Will dredging the maximum promote safety? Does ignoring the permit requirement to retain the status quo and not increase navigability promote safety? Does having the County control permitting of signs promote safety? Will this Board recognize its 8454 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2, 2011 responsibility and politely remind our County Commissioner that the 1998 penn it did not allow any type of lateral navigation sign, it required maintaining the recreation status quo, permitted no increase in navigability, already permitted signage being sought now, and even permitted clearing of mangroves that obstructed the canoe trail. but does not allow improving navigability for motor craft." He made a motion that this Uoard recognize these elements in the permit and inform Commissioner Hiller. Mr. laizzo seconded Dr. Raia's motion. Vice Chairwoman Womble referred to Mr. Dorrill's comment made at the Services Division's February 22 workshop regarding whose authority is Mr. McAlpin going forward to stop the Services Division from installing the markers. "That is our hole in the bucket. Is there a way to utilize that on March 15?" Mr. Dorrill said he believes so. He offered to provide the history to Commissioner Hiller and discuss further with County Manager Ochs whether the Services Division could replace the existing Canoe Trail markers to include missing poles then he would need Board direction. The last time he made that inquiry he was told to "stand down." Dr. Raia said he is not insisting that they do away with the recommended signage. What he wants to establish is that "what is lurking around the corner is dredging." It appears this is going to be a concession to Seagate to increase their navigability, rather than dredging the minimum amount needed to protect the mangroves. He repeated his motion. The permit required the status quo for recreation and no increase in navigability. That should drive whatever dredging is done, otherwise it is a violation of that permit. Several Board members said the current discussion is not about dredging. Dr. Raia said he is clarifying why he wants the 1998 permit observed. Dredging did come up at the meeting on February 17. If they do not recognize the limitations placed on this permit, they will find themselves agreeing to "excess dredging." The 1998 permit made it clear about the status quo for recreation and no increase in navigability. Vice Chairwoman \Vomble said Dr. Raia was referring to a comment made by Mr. John Sorey on February 17 regarding dredging. Mr. Sorey said common sense should be involved in any kind ofa NRPA and dredging was never offered to be undertaken by Seagate. The County has to be responsible for the maintenance and he wants to craft a solution with all parties. That was the discussion about dredging. Dr. Raia said he is just trying to establish parameters of how much dredging one does and the permit spelled it out. Mr. Chandler said he thought the intent of this discussion was to provide the Chairman with a clear direction as to what the Board supports in the way of signs in Clam Bay, which is the sole subject under discussion on March 15. He added that Dr. Raia's motion is "broad and not on the mark." Dr. Raia said that since it was his last meeting, he thought he would give one last try to set the record straight and give some guidance to the Chairman. If they sit idly by, they let the other side assume their position is the right one. He said the motion is asking the Board to send a message to Commissioner Hiller that it is "our position that the permit and all those things that I just mentioned states that. We accept the wording in the permit. This was our permit issued by our forefathers and finally came to fruition while we were on watch and I think we dropped the ball, but having said that, let's let our Commissioner know that we support" the 1998 permit. Mr. Chandler said that is succinct and supported it. Chairman Dallas said the motion does not provide him guidance on the markers. Dr. Raia said the Canoe Trail markers permit issued in 2000 clarified the 1998 permit on signage and "clearly states that this authorization clarifies the navigation question." 8455 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2, 2011 III Dr. Raia made a motion, second by Mr. laiZlo, that the Pelican Bay Services Division Board inform. Commi.ssioner Georgia Hiller who represent.\' Pelican Bay, that the Pelican Bay Services Division Board ,supports the "}998 Clam Bay Restoration ami Management Plan U.S. Army Corp. .o[ Engineers (lfSACE)/Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) joint coa~'lal permit" because it, 1. did not a/low any Iype of lateral navigation signs; 2. required the recreation status quo be maintained; 3. did not permit an increase in Ilavigahili(l'; 4. permitted the signoge that is current~v being sought; 5. permitted clearing of mangrOJ'es that obstructed the canoe trail; and 6. did not permit improving navigability for motor craft. The Board voted 8-/ in favor, pauing the motion. Chairman Dallas opposed. Dr. Raia made a motion that the markers north of proposed marker # I 0 start with # 1. Mr. Chandler clarified that the markers should start with #1 when reaching the bend in the Pass. Dr. Raia said, "Yes because there are 1\vo different signs and otherwise you are going from #10 to #13 to #12 and that could be more confusing and I'd rather st3l1 again with different signs, so that people know they are really different." Mr. Chandler seconded Dr. Raia's motion. The Board's consenSllS was that Dr. Raia's suggestion would require obtaining a new permit. They discussed whether they should support the Services Division retaining the existing canoe trail markers permit, and possibilities if they were no longer the permit holder, and if the Foundation held the permit. Ms. Cravens suggested the Board not take action on recommendations not sllpported by FFWCC. Dr. Raia made a motion, second by Mr. Chandler, that they renumber the markers north o.fproposed marker #/0 to .'~tart with #/. The Board voted 4 in favor (Mes.'~rs. Chandler, Gibson, faizzo, and Dr. Raia) to 5 opposed (Me!J"!J'r."i. Dallas, Cravem', Domenie, Le~:r, and Ms. Womble opposed) and the motion failed. Chairman Dallas said he still was trying to get advice as to what to say their position is on March 15. He said what is being proposed seem reasonable if they could have some guarantees that if implemented, are maintained and not changed "while they weren't looking." Mr. Levy said he agreed and whatever decision made should not change. Chairman Dallas asked the Board what their opinion of th\::: proposed additional "caution - local knowledge required" signs is. Dr. Raia suggested that the proposed additional "caution - local knowledge required" signs not extend any further than the marker and have rounded edges. In his opinion, it is not necessary to put these signs on every marker. Mr. Cravens said he does not like the location of proposed marker # 12 because it leads people out to the Gulf. The proposed plan marks a channel from Seagate to the Gulf of Mexico, but that is not what the existing canoe trail does. The existing Canoe Trail marks the path from Clam Pass Park canoe launch site through Clam Bay. It does not mark a path to the Gulf. Mr. Levy asked what they propose they do with markers # II and # 12. They will have to compromise. Vice Chairwoman Womble said they discussed additional signs that would not require a permit, placed at the edge of the waterway that point, i.e., arrows that indicate where the Gulfis. Dr. Raia made a motion that they accept the County's proposed marker plan as presented with changes. The additional "caution - local knowledge required" informational signs should be no wider than the marker and have rounded edges, and place these signs on the first, last, and perhaps every third marker. No one seconded Dr. Raia's motion. 8456 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2,2011 Mr. Chandler said according to Mr. Moreau's February 15 email to Ms. Pamela Keyes ofCZM, he recommends placing the "caution -local knowledge required" informational signs at the mouth of the pass, not advocating they be placed on the numbered markers. Ms. Cravens said Mr. Moreau's email is clear as to what FFWCC guidelines are, however if there is strong enough consensus from all those involved to overcome those guidelines then they might achieve it. The Services Division is helping those people who want to establish a navigation channel look like there is consensus from all stakeholders to do so. Vice Chairwoman Womble agreed and said in her opinion and based on comments made February 17, "It appears we are simply assuaging the feelings of Dr. Wu and the Dykeman's. More than anything, we arc allowing them a chance to speak, to try to find signs that might fit the situation and be okay, but it is not going to happen ..." because the authorizing authorities "will not allow the signs they want, so this is a waste of time. " Dr. Raia referred to a comment Dr. Wu made regarding canoeists believe that motor boats are not allowed in Clam Bay. The reason for that is there is a sign at the canoe launch stating motor craft is prohibited. They should replace the sign with one that states "caution - ordinance 96-16 permits motor craft, but cannot be launched there." Chairman Dallas said they seem to be going in circles. Mr. Chandler made a motion that it is the Services Division position that cautionary signs should not be placed on markers in Clam Bay with the exception of the start and end. Mr. Cravens seconded Mr. Chandler's motion. Chairman Dallas said they should recognize that what they are doing is subverting what the Foundation is trying to do. In his opinion, if informational signs are not placed on all markers, then Seagate and the City would not go for it. Dr. Raia said someone made a comment that the Services Division is not going along with the Foundation. He does not recall the Foundation ever discussing or voting on this subject. Chairman Dallas said whatever the outcome he hopes that the Foundation supports it. Dr. Raia said the Services Division should be consistent in their position. What the Board of County Commissioners votes on is what they will get. Ms. Cravens said the County's proposed marker plan has not been presented to the Pelican Bay community or been vetted by the Foundation. Mr. Chandler made a motion, second by Mr. Cravens that the Service.Ii Division does not want "caution - local knowledge required" informational signs placed on numbered markers in Clam Bay with tlte exception of the start and end. The Board voted 8-/ in favor, pas.dng the motion. Chairman Dallas 0 osed. Ms. Cravens said the Board did not give the Chairman Direction about the proposed twelve markers. They have only addressed the informational markers. Mr. Dorrill interrupted her, "Ms. Cravens, if you are going to continue to shout from the audience, over your opposition that you never get heard, I don't know if anything you've said is on the tape this afternoon, so if you want to wait and be recognized" and if the Chairman "doesn't' recognize you, to wait until the public comment at the end, otherwise I'm obligated to make sure you are on the tape. I don't know if you are ever on the tape ifyoll just sit there and talk." Ms. Cravens suggested speaker slips. Chairman Dallas said he would like to avoid speaker slips. Mr. Cravens said they should retain the existing Canoe Trail permit as is with the Services Division as permit holder for all of Clam Bay. 8457 Pelican Bay Services Division Board Regular Session Meeting Minutes March 2, 2011 Dr. Raia made a motion that the Services Division remains the permit holder of the existing Canoe Trail markers and other signage in Clam Bay. Mr. McAlpin will make a recommendation to the Board ofeounty Commissioners and the Commissioners will make the decision. Commissioner Hiller can argue from the point that the Services Division has been good custodians and have been trying to replace the signs for two years. Mr. Cravens seconded Dr. Raia's motion. Vice Chairwoman Womble said the Services Division has discussed this subject many times and Commissioner Hiller can point out how many times this Board has reiterated its responsibilities, and the fact that the Commissioners themselves for years have told this Board how wonderful it has been as "monitors and maintainers of the mangroves, canoe trail. and Clam Bay, period." Dr. Raia made a motion, second by Mr. Craven,'! that the Services DivLdon remain.'! the permit holder 0 the existing Canoe Trail marker permit and other .dgnage in Clam Bay. The Board voted 8-/ in favor, assin the motion. Chairman Dallas 0 osed. UPDATE ON DREDGING AND SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT Chairman Dallas said there is nothing to report. DORRILL MANAGEMENT GROUP CONTRACT RENEWAL The Board discussed whether to renew Mr. Dorritrs, Dorrill Management Group (DMG) contract. They acknowledged that he received an increase in compensation last year because he was attending additional Community Improvement Plan and Independent District meetings and they discussed whether the situation is the same. Staff said they have to notify Purchasing whether the Board plans to renew now, and verify the current terms of the contract and the Board decided to discuss terms at the next meeting. Mr. Cravens made a motion, second by Mr. Domenie to renew Dorrill Management's Group contract, but discuss exact terms the April 6 meeting. The Board voted unanimously in favor, assin the motion. ADJOURNMENT Chairman Dallas made a motion, .5econd by Mr. Cravens to adjourn. The Board voted unanimous(v in avor, a.5.dn the motion and the meetin ad.ourned at 4:34 .m. tL ~ ',. 7 -=t~ as, <tlbirman J Minutes by Lisa Resnick\3j24j20118:46:32 AM 8458