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Pelican Bay Services Division Board Special Workshop to Discuss Clam Bay Markers
February 22, 2011
Mr. David Roellig suggested for safety purposes that they drop the proposed markers directing canoes to the
Gulf. The term safety is misleading because there is no way to mark any channel to ensure safety. Safety depends on the
operator of the vessel.
Ms. Cravens added that she agreed with Ms. Worley's assessment that installing markers in Clam Bay should not
pose a risk to its environment and cited historical documentation from regulatory agencies supporting the same point of
view.
Ms. Mary Johnson said Mr. Gary McAlpin, Director of Coastal Zone Management (elM) made it clear that
eZM would be responsible for the new marker permit and she supports the Services Division continuing as permit holder.
CLAM BA V MARKERS DISCUSSION
Chairman Dallas reported what happened at the February 17 County Clam Bay Marker Discussion meeting. The
same materials that Mr. Feldhaus presented at the February 16 Services Division meeting were presented. He presented
the Services Division's position that the proposed marker numbering system should correspond to the current canoe trail
markers; use fixed posts, rather than buoys that could scour the sea bottom; suggested installing "caution manatees" and
"idle speed no wake" signs; and that the Services Division continue as the steward. The County responded that they
would look into the first three points, but made it clear they did not want the Services Division to be the pennit holder.
Dr. Wu of Seagate was "trying to find ways to make a canoe marker look like a navigational marker" and the County said
they would look into it, but no one was optimistic.
Chairman Dallas distributed a document that stated possible comments to make at the County's February 23
Clam Bay Marker Discussion meeting. The first point was, "We are pleased that the County has recognized that the 1998
permit does not require red/green markers..." The second point addressed the permitting process and that the County
consider having the Services Division continue as steward.
Ms. Cravens suggested the Services Division make a formal statement to the County that the Services Division
should retain the existing canoe trail and permit, replace the discrepant and missing markers, and add additional
informational markers, i.e., "local knowledge required."
Ms. Linda Roth asked if CZM is the permit holder and maintains the markers. would they be able to modify the
permit later and the consensus was yes.
Mr. Cravens said the proposed marker plan does not address the extensive existing canoe trail marker system to
the north, so there is a possibility that the existing canoe trail markers permit could be eliminated. The Services Division
purchased replacement markers that have yet to be installed. "Where does that leave us?"
Chairman Dallas said the details need to be worked out and resolution something that does not "create chaos."
Dr. Raia said the 1998 Clam Bay Restoration and Management Plan USACE/FDEP Joint Coastal Permit did not
require red and green navigation markers, but other elements in the permit are equally important including maintaining
the status quo and nothing be done to increase navigation. They should focus on what this Board's position is and make a
recommendation, not argue with the County or Scagate about differing opinions. "We have our own signs that should
have been put up two years ago." The existing Services Division canoe trail marker "permit is valid and we can put those
new signs up at any time... without doing anything else."
Mr. Dorrill asked who authorized Mr. McAlpin to apply for a new markers permit that CZM would oversee.
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Pelican Bay Services Division Board Special Workshop to Discuss Clam Bay Markers
February 22, 2011
Mr. Cravens said this Board directed Mr. I-Iall some time ago to install the replacement canoe trail markers
purchased by the Services Division and Mr. McAlpin directed Mr. Hall not to proceed. In addition, the County would not
fund the installation.
Mr. Hoppensteadt said prior Services Division meeting minutes state that John Petty, the former Services
Division Administrator reported to County Manager Jim Mudd and Mr. Mudd directed Mr. Petty to "stand down."
Dr. Raia said red and green markers are out, but he is concerned about the County's dredging permit application
because it "describes a navigable canal" and docs not agree with marking a channel from Seagate to the Gulf. There
should be a marker to show that the Gulfis in one direction and the canoe trail continues in a different direction.
Ms. Mary Johnson said they should find out what the status of the canoe trail markers to the north is.
Mr. Dorrill said Mr. McAlpin does not have the authority to direct the Pelican Bay Services Division and until
the Board of County Commissioners takes action, they should not concede. Acknowledging that the Services Division is
the custodian of the existing canoe trail markers and permit, he suggested the Board convey to the stakeholders at the
February 23 meeting an interim solution "in the name of safety" and ask if they mind if the Services Division install the
replacement canoe trail markers that they purchased two years ago.
Board members present concurred with Mr. Dorril!.
There was no further discussion and the meeting adjourned at 2: ] 5 p.m.
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