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PVAC Minutes 01/02/2001 RJanuary 2, 2001 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE PUBLIC VEHICLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE January 2, 2001 Met on this date at 9:00 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building F of the Government Complex, Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRPERSON: NOT PRESENT: Bryan L.S. Pease Pat Baisley Clifford W. Flegal, Jr. Eric Hyde William J. Csogi ALSO PRESENT: Michelle Arnold, Code Enforcement Director Maria Cruz, Code Enforcement Specialist Tom Palmer, Assistant County Attorney Page I ~2/11/00 1~:32 FAX 941 403 2345 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ~ CLERK OF BRD ~001/001 COUNTY pUS~,IC VEHICLE ADVISQ~¥ C0MM!T?~E January 2, 2001 9:00 AM COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER TURNEK~UILDING (A~MINISTRAT~ON), TNIRD FLOOR 3301 ~ TAMIAMI TR., NAPLES. FI~ ANY PERSON W~O DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAININ~ T~ERETO, AND THEREFORE F~AY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF T~E PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH R~CORD INCLUDES THAT TESTIMONY AND EVIDENC~ UPON WI4ICM THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. III. IV. VII. VIII. ROLL CALL ADDITIONS OR D~LBTIONS: APPROVAL OF AGENDA: APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 7, 2000 NEW BUSINESS: A. Lazara Saumell d/b/a/ Ale~ Limousine, Inc. B. J. Blan Taylor. III d/b/a Taylor LimOusine A. Joseph O'Leary d/b/a City Cab OLD BUSINESS:. REPORTS, SEatus on Ra=e Increase DISCUSSION: NEXT MEETING DATE~ April 2. 2001 January 2, 2001 MR. PEASE: I call the meeting of the Collier County Public Vehicle Advisory Committee to order. I'll start with the roll call. MS. CRUZ: Good morning. For the record, Maria Cruz, code enforcement investigator. Let the record show that William Sogi called in and stated he was going to be absent due to personal reasons, Patricia Basiley? MS. BASILEY: Here. MS. CRUZ: Clifford Flegal? MR. FLEGAL: Here. MS. CRUZ: Bryan Pease? MR. PEASE: Here. MS. CRUZ: Eric Hyde? (No response) MR. PEASE: Do we have any additions or deletions? MS. ARNOLD: For the record, Michelle Arnold. I have an addition to review with you. The passenger's notice that's supposed to be going into the vehicles. If we put that on the report, that will be the second report item. MR. PEASE: That's the sticker? MS. ARNOLD: Sticker, yeah. MR. PEASE: I also have one topic of discussion, just on the ordinance. Do we have an approval of the agenda? MR. FLEGAL: I make a motion we approve the agenda as changed. MS. BASILEY: I'll second that. MR. PEASE: All in favor, say aye. Opposed? (No response.) MR. PEASE: Motion carried. Do we have approval of the minutes? MS. BASILEY: I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes of November 7th, 2000. MR. FLEGAL: Second. MR. PEASE: All those in favor, say aye. Opposed? (No response.) MR. PEASE: Motion carried. New business. Request for approval to operate a charter service, Lazzara Samwell, is that how you pronounce that? If Page 2 January 2, 2001 you could come forward to be sworn in if you're here. MS. CRUZ: Mr. Chairman, let the record show that Lazzara Samwell is not present. MR. PEASE: All right. MR. FLEGAL: Mr. Chairman, I noticed one thing on insurance, that this vehicle is leased from somebody called Car Corp. I think it would be to the County's advantage to make sure that that company is also included on the insurance just in case something happens. MR. PEASE: Maria, do you have a certificate of insurance that he may have given, a separate document that would have that listing? MS. CRUZ: Yes, sir, I do. I have a certificate of insurance showing on the insured, Alexis Rodriguez, Alexis Limousine, Inc. MR. PEASE: The additional insured is? MS. CRUZ: Collier County Code Enforcement. MR. PEASE: I was asking for Car Corp. That was the leasing company. Do we have a copy of insurance that shows Car Corp as an additional insured? MS. CRUZ: No, sir. MR. PEASE: Maria, do we know who I. azzara Samwell is? Are they just an officer or do they own part of this corporation; do we know? They're listed as a director or officer. MS. CRUZ: Lazzara Samwell is the -- I believe she was added as an officer to this corporation. MR. FLEGAL: We don't know if she has any ownership? MS. CRUZ: No, sir, I do not know. MR. PEASE: Let the record show Mr. Hyde is also in attendance. MS. CRUZ: To add to your question, Mr. Flegal, on page 30, the corporate records show Lazzara as president, secretary, director, I believe. MR. FLEGAL: Does the P stand for president, secretary, director? MS. CRUZ: That's my guess. MR. FLEGAL: I think we need to find out if they have any ownership. So that if they do, they can meet whatever requirements are required. I think it's 10 percent or something like that. MS. CRUZ: 10 percent. Page 3 January 2, 2001 MR. PEASE: Any other comments? MR. FLEGAL: No. MR. PEASE: Do we have a motion? MR. FLEGAL: I make a motion we approve subject to getting Car Corp added to their insurance, finding out if Samwell is an owner, getting the requirements from them. MR. PEASE: Is there a second? MS. BASILEY: I'll second that motion. MR. PEASE: All those in favor, say aye. Opposed? (No response.) MR. PEASE: Motion carried 4-0. We have a request for approval to operate a charter service, J. Blan Taylor, III, doing business as Taylor Limousine. Is Mr. Taylor present? Would you please come forward to be sworn in? Thereupon, J. BLAN TAYLOR, III, a Witness, called and duly sworn, and testified as follows: MR. FLEGAL: Maria, do we have a -- I didn't see in the package proof of advertising, a fictitious name and all that. MS. CRUZ: I believe Mr. Taylor has a copy of the filing, the registration of the fictitious name with him. I can show the Board if you wish to see it. MR. PEASE: Mr. Taylor, do you currently have this vehicle? MR. TAYLOR: It's on its way down here right now. It should be here probably Thursday. MR. PEASE: Mr. Taylor, the ordinance states that if after review of the application, public comment and other relevant information, the applicant is fit to provide transportation services and conforms to the provisions of this article, then the County administrators shall issue a certificate stating the name of the applicant. If the PVAC determines that the applicant is not fit to provide transportation services or does not comply with the requirements of this article, the application for certificate shall be denied. My question for you, given the information on the criminal background, do you feel you are fit to provide transportation services? MR. TAYLOR: Absolutely, yes, sir. Page 4 January 2, 2001 MR. TAYLOR: MS. BASILEY: MR. FLEGAL: County? MR. TAYLOR: MR. PEASE: I assume there has been some change in the direction of the past? MR. TAYLOR: Oh, absolutely. MS. BASILEY: Mr. Taylor, have you worked for any transportation companies here locally? In Lee County. In Lee. Mr. Taylor, who did you drive for in Lee Majestic Limousine Services and a couple of small taxi services that ran airport transportation. MR. PEASE: Do we have any other discussion? MR. HYDE: No. MR. PEASE: Ms. Basiley? MS. BASILEY: No. MR. PEASE: Do we have a motion? MR. HYDE: Motion to approve. MR. PEASE: Motion by Mr. Hyde. Is there a second? MS. BASILEY: I'll second that motion. MR. PEASE: All those in favor, aye. Opposed? (No response.) MR. PEASE: Motion carries 4-0. MR. TAYLOR: Thank you. Good luck. MR. PEASE: Request for approval to operate a taxi service, Mr. Joseph O'Leary, in business as City Cab. Mr. O'Leary, are you here? Please step forward to be sworn in. Thereupon, JOSEPH O'LEARY, a Witness, called and duly sworn, and testified as follows: MR. PEASE: Page 9 states the rate, but you're aware that the County Commissioners have modified the taxi rate? MR. O'LEARY: A couple of times. I'm aware of what's going on there. I think you're going to discuss that today, too, right? MR. PEASE: Briefly. MS. CRUZ: Mr. Chairman, I have a copy -- color copy of the color schemes of the vehicle, if you'd like to see that. MR. PEASE: If you could bring that forward, that would be great. Is there anyone close to it? Page 5 January 2, 2001 MS. CRUZ: No. MR. FLEGAL: Do you have the registration, Maria, on the vehicle? MS. CRUZ: No, sir, we don't. At the time that the application paperwork was submitted, there was no registration. MR. O'LEARY: I have a copy of the registration. MS. CRUZ: Mr. Chairman, I do have a copy of the registration here. It is classified 09. It is registered to MoJo Group, Inc. MR. PEASE: Can I take a look at that also, please? And you're going to be working out of your home; is that correct? MR. O'LEARY: At the time of application I had to put down something, so that's what I put down. Since then I've secured an office. MR. PEASE: So you're aware, when you have multiple vehicles, you need a business location? MR. O'LEARY: Yes, I am. MR. PEASE: Good morning, Mr. Palmer. Let the record show, Mr. Palmer is in attendance. Do we have any other discussion? Do I have a motion? MR. FLEGAL: I'd make a motion it be approved subject to receipt of the proper insurance submitted to staff. MR. O'LEARY: I have a letter of commitment, sir. MR. FLEGAL: I saw the letter of commitment. MR. O'LEARY: Well, I have another one. MR. Do we have a second? MR. Second. All those in favor? PEASE: HYDE: MR. PEASE: Opposed? MR. PEASE: MS. CRUZ: MR. PEASE: you, Michelle? (No response.) MR. PEASE: Motion carried 4-0. Good luck. MR. O'LEARY: Thank you. I'll need it. Any old business? No old business? None from staff. Reports, status on the rate increase, is that MS. ARNOLD: Yeah. The Board did hear the recommendation for suspending or abandoning the surcharge and then increasing the rate. And they approved the PVAC's Page 6 January 2, 2001 recommendation for the first tenth of a mile to be 2.50 -- I'm trying to remember. Whatever the recommendation was -- MR. PALMER: 2.15, I think. MS. ARNOLD: 2.15. And then -- MR. PALMER: 35 cents. MS. ARNOLD: And 35 cents for the two-tenths of a mile thereafter. The Board did also request that staff conduct a report and present it to them in another year to determine why we are, you know -- we have a Board reviewing applications and determining the rates for taxicab services. So we will be putting that information together and reporting back to the Board. The new Board members, of which we've got three of them, are questioning the need for us to look at that particular portion of the taxicab industry. So your input is going to be solicited as well as to what should be contained in that report to the Board. MR. PEASE: Let me just make one, I think, clarification. What they voted, I believe, was to -- they questioned, they have one year for staff to come back and talk about the need to deal with rates in conjunction with the taxicabs, but I do not recall them talking about the need to adjust the permitting process. MS. ARNOLD: I think they wanted a full report just to give them information as to what the function of the Board is and those types of things and then to evaluate whether or not the Board needs to look at that rate portion of it for the taxicab industry. MR. MR. MR. MS. PEASE: All right. FLEGAL: What did they do with the fuel surcharge? PEASE: They eliminated it. ARNOLD: They eliminated it. MR. FLEGAL: You didn't say that, so I wanted to make sure they did that. MR. PEASE: Just to give you an idea of, what I did was, I met with every commissioner prior to that vote. And even though I voted against the change, I explained with each commissioner why the PVAC -- I did not talk about my personal vote, but why the PVAC went that direction, what the thinking process was and why I felt it was a good idea to vote for that change. The feel of the Board is very much a nonregulatory capacity and even in those discussions question the need to set rates for Page 7 January 2, 2001 taxi operations. So I think it's a very sympathetic Board to that. And not just the new members. I think -- I heard it from some of the members who have been on there for a little while, so -- but I was pleased that they did eliminate the surcharge. The second item on the report -- is there any other discussion on the fuel surcharge? The passenger sticker, any update on that? MS. ARNOLD: Yes, we do have a sticker. We went ahead and sent you-all e-mails or actually faxes during December. We wanted to go ahead and order the stickers just because of the timing of the renewal process and it would be better for us to distribute it at the time that we renew applications. We got a couple comments back about the notice, so we went ahead and ordered that. I just wanted to provide you with that sample so that you'd know what it's going to say. So we are going to be issuing those. MR. FLEGAL: Where will these be located in the vehicle? MS. ARNOLD: We're going to be requiring that they place it on the passenger windows. I think we're issuing two. There are two of them that will be issued per vehicle. So they're going to be located on both passenger windows. MR. PEASE: You're talking about the rear doors? MS. ARNOLD: Right. MS. BASILE¥: Those would be required for charter service vehicles, as well as taxicabs. MS. ARNOLD: All vehicles that we issue. MR. PEASE: You're going to require these on sedan services and stretch limousines as well? MS. ARNOLD: Yeah, because those -- MR. FLEGAL: Service is service. I mean, you can give terrible service in a limo just as you can in a taxicab. MR. PEASE: I just wanted to get clarification on that. I knew we were talking taxicab, but this is the first I had heard on the charter. MS. ARNOLD: Our intent was to provide it for everybody that -- all vehicles that we provide stickers to. MR. FLEGAL: I mean, because they set their own rates. I think somebody that is charging a lot of money to tote you somewhere should give you really good service. MR. PEASE: I just want to let the record show, I'm against Page 8 January 2, 2001 this for charter services because I think there is a difference between the two. This is -- one, the charter service does not deal with the general public. It's prearranged and it's private and MR. FLEGAL: So you're saying private individuals aren't part of the general public? MR. PEASE: I'm saying that -- MR. HYDE: There's already contracts and arrangements made prior to -- MR. PEASE: Exactly. They are prearranged. I just think there is a difference between walking up to the curb and getting in a cab -- MR. FLEGAL: That's not true. I can call and rent a limousine for an evening, for a wedding, to go somewhere. I don't have a contract with you for a month, year, whatever. MR. PEASE: But generally you work with the business owner to resolve any differences; where in a taxi, it's a little different. MS. BASILEY: If you're not getting any satisfaction from the business owner, you need to know where to call. MR. FLEGAL: I mean, the ABC Company can charter a limousine for some of its employees and the manager/business owner isn't the one in the vehicle. His employees are in the vehicle and they're getting crappy service. So they ought to be able to go back not only to their boss and say, Hey, thanks for the limo ride, but the guy was a jerk, and nothing happens, so they ought to be able to call the County and say -- MR. PEASE: This was not voted on by this committee for it to be for charter. The discussion at the time was for taxis. And if this is the direction we're going to go, I'd like to see this voted on. MS. MR. BASILEY: It should be in the minutes. FLEGAL: Tom. MR. PALMER: I thought the focus was on identification of a specific driver and there was going to be a photograph on the document. That was my recollection. The idea was primarily focused on the fact that the customer would have comfort that the person behind the wheel was somebody authorized to drive the vehicle on behalf of Collier County. MR. PEASE: The discussion at the time was on taxi Page 9 January 2, 2001 applications. MR. PALMER: Yes, I remember that as well. It was focused on taxicabs. But I take it there is not going to be a photograph on this. MR. PEASE: I think there was a time issue. MR. HYDE: I don't think we can do that right off the bat. MR. PEASE: January 1st. MS. ARNOLD: I think that the Board wanted to discuss this item a little bit further and know -- the timing of the whole thing came down to, when are we going to actually issue these things? Because there was discussion on the issue of a photograph, how they would look and those types of things. We could always revise something if the Board feels that it needs to be more informed of like a photograph or to include a photograph. But we were already issuing -- we were in the process of getting an order for our stickers for the process. MR. PALMER: I understand the timing of it. I understand that. MS. ARNOLD: And we did -- this item did come up when we were discussing the rates and the taxicab things, but I don't believe it was clear that we would -- were limited just to taxicabs or we would open it up. But as I said, our intent, just because we were issuing stickers to everybody, was to provide that information to everyone. So that if there is a complaint, that they're advised that they can call this particular number to lodge that complaint and then we would look into it. MR. FLEGAL: Just as general information, Tom, if the County wants to ask such a question, it doesn't require, that I can see, approval of this Board for the County to do this. MR. PALMER: Approval of this Board? MR. FLEGAL: Yeah. If the County says, We want information from you folks, you know, about services, I don't think that's, quote/unquote, regulated by this Board. MR. PALMER: Well, I don't understand what kind of inquiry you're talking about. MR. FLEGAL: Well, I mean, here the County is saying, If you're dissatisfied with the transportation service you received, please call County Code Enforcement. MR. PALMER: Right. Page 10 January 2, 2001 MR. FLEGAL: For the County to issue this sticker to people, I don't see that they need approval of this Board. MR. PEASE: Except that all the discussion that came up from this Board on the sticker -- in other words -- and I'm looking at the notes on page 32 of the minutes. It says. Chairman Pease: We're going to require taxi operators -- is what the motion said -- require taxi operators to do that. Ms. Arnold: What we would be doing is issuing the sticker, that or, you know, the complaint number, that information. I mean, it's very clear -- then Ms. Arnold says -- alongside with that sticker in the cab. There was no discussion that took place regarding charter vehicles. MR. FLEGAL: Okay. I won't argue that. What I'm saying is, if the County decides they want charter vehicles to do it, I don't see that that is, quote/unquote, governed by this Board. MR. PALMER: No, I don't think the staff has been authorized to do this on its own. Just to say, Well, we think it's a good idea and we're going to do it. I think it does require the approval of the Board. In fact, I think eventually it ought to be in the ordinance as a formalized change. I think we can do this on an interim basis while this Board decides it, but staff does not have the authority just to go out and not even -- for example, not even notify the Board. If they have the power to do it, they can do it even without telling you about it. They could just come up with their own little regulation and tell these various operators they've got to do this. I do not believe there is anything in the ordinance that delegates that kind of duty to the staff. Although they have rights of inquiry. They have rights about polling these people and finding out their opinion about things. But this is actually a unilateral mandate of a new obligation on a certificate of business. MS. ARNOLD: The way I see it is that we are providing notice to the public. MR. PALMER: MS. ARNOLD: anything. MR. PALMER: go into the vehicle. That's right. And we're not mandating the public call us or Oh, no. But you're mandating that this thing That's what I'm talking about. Obviously Page 11 January 2, 2001 nobody can mandate that the public call the County about anything. MS. ARNOLD: Right. MS. BASILEY: If you only put them in taxicabs, then you're only saying that the public who rides in a taxicab should know how to inform somebody if the driver is -- MR. PALMER: Well, this is policy. This is policy. There is a point that people who deal with limousines probably have a better idea of who they're dealing with than somebody that just calls up a taxicab one time and they have a problem. They look around and they have no idea how to identify the driver unless they have -- handwrite down the name of the cab. They're going to have difficulty identifying the vehicle they rode in at 10:00 last Friday night. But if you're dealing with a limousine company, in all probability it's less of a problem if you have a complaint, to be able to identify the driver and the vehicle. Although, this is a matter of policy. And if the Board wants this obligation expanded to include charter vehicles, I think you have the authority to do that. But I do believe that the discussion last meeting was focused on taxicabs. I think the question of charter vehicles was not discussed. MR. PEASE: Exactly. MR. HYDE: I agree. MS. BASILEY: I also think we discussed about having the sticker really for the driver. MR. PALMER: Yes, we did. In fact, my understanding was, it was basically going to be a face. It's called a face. It was going to have a number on it. Not only a phone number to call, but a number designated like 13795 that would be cross-referenced to a particular driver of a vehicle. And somebody could say, I had a bad experience last Wednesday night at 8:00 and the number was 13795. MS. ARNOLD: Each sticker does have a number that will correspond with the stickers in the vehicle. The only thing that is absent on this particular notice is the photograph. MR. HYDE: Right. And that was done specifically because of time restraints and all the rest of the stuff that couldn't be done at that time. MR. PALMER: What I had in mind -- and I'm not calling the Page 12 January 2, 2001 shots here -- was a plastic thing that is hard. You've probably seen them. They have a photograph about 2 inches by 2 inches. They usually go up in the right-hand visor and they're clearly legible and readable for the passenger in the backseat. That was what I envisioned. But there was no discussion, I don't think, at the meeting about the specifics of the form that this notice would take. MR. PEASE: I think it's an interim step in the right direction for taxi operators. And given that the certificates go out and there is a mailing that takes place shortly, I think it's a good interim step. But it should not be all inclusionary. (sic) MS. BASILEY: I think it should be. Because I still think that that person that prearranged airport transportation with somebody or limousine transportation, if they don't get the satisfaction that they need when dealing with a complaint with the operator, they need to know who to contact at the County. MR. PEASE: I can assure you, I take those calls when they happen and they do know how to get in touch with me. MS. BASILEY: A responsible business owner would. Some people -- MR. PEASE: In a charter situation, which is a different operation altogether than a taxi operation, there is two different channels, two different mechanisms. They're totally different. MS. ARNOLD: I believe that some of the charter services, as Ms. Basiley is saying, is not necessarily always done through contract. Some of the services can be, somebody can just pick up a phone and call. And so we need to have the general public advised as to when their service is not satisfactory, who else they can call other than that particular business owner. MR. FLEGAL: I have a problem in that we approve too many one-person charter services, one vehicle. They're not corporations, which have a lot of vehicles. We've approved -- John Smith walked in and says, I want to operate a charter service, and he's gone. Or Mary Jones. She has got one vehicle and she's gone. Not a taxi, it's a charter. So I think the public needs to be able to call somebody. Because if you call that person, nine times out of ten probably they're going to say, Oh, yeah, I'll handle it. And it goes in the round file. Page 13 January 2, 2001 A business is going to handle it because they're more or less responsible. But there is too many one-man shows that have been chartered and I think the public has -- needs a way to come back to the County. MR. PEASE: I think aesthetically as nice as those stickers are, they're inappropriate in a charter vehicle, given the price difference between a taxicab and a stretch limousine. I think it makes it look like a taxicab. I think it's just inappropriate. Tom, do we take this thing to a vote? And if so, if it ends up being with the four people here as a tie, what happens then? MR. PALMER: That is a no vote. That is an action that doesn't pass if you tie. MR. PEASE: Do we want to make a motion on this? MR. FLEGAL: I think we already know what the vote is going to be. We've got 2-2. MS. BASILEY: Exactly. MR. FLEGAL: You can do it if you want it on the record, but I think we ought to get our other member involved. MR. PEASE: Well, I want to make sure staff knows. They've got a time line here. MS. ARNOLD: Right. And -- MR. FLEGAL: Well, they can issue it to the cab and not the other yet. MS. ARNOLD: I understand Mr. Pease's concern with the limousines, but not all of our charter vehicles are limousines. We have other type vehicles. And it was expressed to me too that some of the taxicabs that are currently operating or previously operating as taxicabs may consider going charter, taking out their meters and going charter. So we're talking about a lot more vehicles out there with no notices as to who to call with respect to a complaint and those types of things. Mainly, what we're trying to do is provide notice. I think the size of the stickers are small. It's not something that's imposing in the vehicle, so. MR. PEASE: Well, I'm going to make a motion that we direct staff to focus these stickers on the taxi operators only. Is there a second? (No response.) MR. PEASE: Motion does not carry. So where does that Page 14 January 2, 2001 leave us, Tom? MR. PALMER: That means that the policy, as I understand it, is that this notice is -- based on the tenor of the last meeting's discussion is limited to taxicabs. Because I don't -- at least I don't have any recollection that we were talking anything other than taxicabs when this policy was voted upon at the last meeting. MR. PEASE: That's what the minutes show. Does anybody want to put this on the agenda for April? MR. FLEGAL: Yes. MS. BASILEY: I think it should be. MS. ARNOLD: Can we get a motion today to expand it to the other services? MR. PEASE: No. Mr. Palmer says the focus was on taxi operators in the minutes. MR. PALMER: Well, you could -- if you pass 3 to 1, you could as a Board today expand it to other vehicles, if you could get a 3 to I or 4 to 0 vote. But a 2 to 2 vote will not expand it. MR. HYDE: Can I make a motion that we -- first of all, in the interest of time and due diligence, I think that staff has done an outstanding job in trying to come up with something and prepare something and get it back to us in a timely manner, that we start with the taxicabs first and then put it on the agenda for April to see if we would like to expand it and see how that would run with the full Board? MR. PALMER: Another possibility would be to ask the other vehicles if they would do it voluntarily. And maybe more than half of them would be happy to put this in their vehicle as a volunteer decision. MR. PEASE: Do you want to amend the motion to include Mr. Palmer's suggestion? MR. PALMER: In other words, staff wouldn't twist their arms and would just say, Would you like to do this? And a lot of them may say, Yeah, that's fine with me. MR. HYDE: Okay. I would like to amend my motion. First of all, still go with the same direction with the taxicabs and then offer the service -- or the stickers to the charter services that are willing to participate at this point, but also still label it as an agenda item to discuss it with the full Board in April. MR. PEASE: Is there a second? Page 15 January 2, 2001 MR. FLEGAL: I'll do a second. MR. PEASE: All those in favor, say aye. MS. BASILEY: Aye. MR. FLEGAL: Aye. MR. HYDE: Aye. MR. PEASE: Opposed? Aye. Motion carries 3-1. Let's see where that leaves us on the agenda. MR. FLEGAL: Did you have an ordinance item? MR. PEASE: Yes. I think what we've got is still an ordinance that -- given the complexion of the Board of County Commissioners, that needs to be reviewed and updated. One thing that just came up this morning was the amount of the insurance. It hasn't been looked at in a long time. And also I think there is -- over years and different Boards there has continued to be compounded items which may not be appropriate. And maybe we need to look at a fresh start on taking it and seeing what can be eliminated that's not a direct responsibility in terms of safety of the guest. But I'm afraid that if we do this in workshops, it won't get accomplished. So I guess my question to the Board is, can we -- if I had distributed a copy of the ordinance to work from and come back in April with notations for changes. And maybe we accumulate that, just give that to staff and let them accumulate it into one master and then give it back to us, would that work? MS. BASILEY: You don't feel we're going to accomplish anything if we try to do it in workshops? MR. PEASE: I'm afraid not. I'm afraid that workshops tend to be very optional in nature as far as the attendance. A lot of things happen. I am wondering if maybe at your own leisure you individually could make your suggestions. Plus, I like things in writing better than verbal too, so it's easier for me to understand. And then give that to staff and let them accumulate all the suggested changes into one document. Would that format work for you-all? MS. BASILEY: I don't have any problem with it. MS. ARNOLD: I believe that we've done that a couple years ago. We provided you-all with a copy of an ordinance. You-all struck through and made your notes. And we put it into one form Page 16 January 2, 2001 and it was reviewed. So we can do that again. MR. PEASE: Good. Let's do this again, then, if we could. If you could send a copy of the ordinance to every committee member, Maria. And I would -- let's look at how aggressively we can get and how aggressive we can take things out, which -- how essential are those items, every item. And see what we can weed out. If we can cut a substantial amount without jeopardizing the safety of the guests, which is the ultimate concern. Any other discussion? Our next meeting date is April 2nd. Do I have a motion to adjourn? MR. HYDE: Motion to adjourn. MS. BASILEY: Second. MR. PEASE: All those in favor, say aye. Business closed. There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 9:45 a.m. PUBLIC VEHICLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BRYAN L.S. PEASE, CHAIRMAN TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF GREGORY COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. BY TRACIE MOUNTAIN, RPR Page 17